Why the Christian God Cannot Exist (TLDR Version)

[@joycesky5041]

Christian's pick certain scriptures that they like literally. The scriptures they DON'T like they WON'T take literally...they pick and choose scriptures that fit their agenda...CHERRY PICKING and they love to keep it that way!

[@kingofthelynxes6816]

Why you just believing everything this mans saying you don't even try to research tk see if he is right.

[@SPL0869]

@@kingofthelynxes6816 what research have you done!

[@kingofthelynxes6816]

@@SPL0869 also to add to my qursn statement it's also contradictory.

[@babbly5717]

Simple strawman fallacy... I can assure you this is not the case.

[@Zenoism]

Thank you for this video. You are exactly right. Great video.

[@harpsichordkid]

There seems to be a lot of speculation in your video. Did the early Christians hold the same view as the full-preterists of the 19th & 20th centuries? If so, wouldn’t we expect to find such views within Christian writings of the 1st and 2nd centuries? And if it were the ubiquitous belief of the apostolic church that the general resurrection would occur during the first or early second century, wouldn’t we also expect to find explanations for why it didn’t happen? It is not as if we lack such writings. Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, & Papias were all students of one or more of the Apostles. Irenaeus, whose writings we also have, was a student of Polycarp. Now, had the early Christian Movement been a doomsday cult, we would also expect there to have been a huge unfollowing when the Second Coming didn’t happen on time (which would also seem to require the explanation for why it didn’t which I mentioned above). Is there evidence such a dissolutionment took place during the late first or early second century? Your journey has been an interesting one. It bears parallels to fundamentalists I’ve known who lost their faith when their reading of Genesis 1 wouldn’t allow any other interpretation besides a literal 24 hr day, 6 day creation. To them, all other interpretations are concessions to Atheistic Darwinism. However, had they had more respect for history, they could have read in ancient writers like Philo, or Origen, or Augustine that the 6 days of Genesis 1 are not meant to be read literally. With all respect, I wonder if, like the Fundamentalists, you have become too invested in your understanding of the Last Day, so that when such an interpretation did not stand up against critical opposition, you disregarded not only this doctrine, but the whole gospel. Perhaps you’ve already considered all this. Best wishes on your journey. (Just a note regarding early Christian worship - your speculation that early Christian worship must have looked like today’s Pentecostals isn’t born out by the descriptions of early Christian worship such as the Didache, Justin Martyr, Clement of Rome, &c, or even the NT. These descriptions and directions seem to all call for order in public worship. Prayers, readings out of the scripture, and the Eucharist are mentioned. Whether they kneel or stand is mentioned. Appropriate dress is mentioned. Rolling around on the floor is not mentioned.)

[@escapingchristianity8765]

I didn't say the first century Christians "rolled around on the floor" like some modern day Pentecostal services. I did say there are many clues in the NT that Paul was hallucinating things that he thought were real and they were not. Examples are 1 Cor 14, Gal 1:11-12, 2 Cor 12:1-5 et al. Almost all biblical scholars agree that Paul is talking about himself in the last example. Yet he doesn't know whether he was in his body or out of his body etc. These are tell-tale signs of hallucinations. Paul's converts in Corinth were also very disorderly and behaved bizarrely which I covered some in the video. So the earliest Christians were not orderly. I think my video is spot on about what happened in the first century and here's why: The NT repeatedly and explicitly states a second coming of the Jesus character before that generation dies out. Virtually all biblical scholars, as well as critics of Christianity, recognize this and have for centuries. This is not controversial. What was suppose to happen at the second coming? Immortal, sinless bodies for believers and the end of death and suffering. Did that happen 2,000 years ago? We both know the answer to that question. This is all a person needs to know to understand that the god of the Bible does not exist. But Christians keep making excuses to not accept what large portions of their NT plainly state.

[@harpsichordkid]

@@escapingchristianity8765 You say the full-preterist interpretation (which is a 19th century development) is “plainly” stated in the Bible. But if that were the case, wouldn’t you expect to find that interpretation before the 19th century? And wouldn’t it be especially prevalent in 1st and early 2nd century writings? Yet, there seems to have been no upset over this in the early church. There is no defensive writing on why the second coming didn’t happen in the 1st or early 2nd century. You say it was a major doctrine of the apostolic church, and yet it seems no one felt the need to defend it, or to reinterpret it when it didn’t happen. Like I said, we have writings of the disciples of the Apostles. I think these writings also address the worship/disorder claim: The Didache is very early, probably first century according to scholars today. Does the worship in it look disorderly? Does the worship described by Justin Martyr look disorderly? Does Clement of Rome not command church services be “orderly”, not “irregular and thoughtless”? Did Paul not write “let everything be done decently and orderly” in 1 Corinthians? And that God is not the author of confusion? Does he not also write that God is given us not fear, but a sound mind? Do folks sometimes act excited? Of course. People act silly even over mundane things, such as touchdowns or a favorite song. But even the most sober-minded person is excited when a deep longing is satisfied, and that pleasure is intensified if it comes unexpectedly. A proposal, when a childless couple first conceives, when a serviceman or woman surprises his/her family with a visit - we don’t call this kind of excitement disorderly. However, as stated above, it seems from the NT, apostolic, and post-apostolic writers that orderliness was the desirable norm. If you deny God exists, then yes, I guess hallucinations would be the only explanation for Paul’s visionary experiences. Not only his, but ALL visionary experiences of early Christians would have to be hallucinations, in which case they tended to be rather prone to them. It just doesn’t seem like an argument to me. You reject the concept of God, so of course you reject apostolic visions. Tbf, I accept them as visions because I am a Christian. However, as someone who worked in healthcare, I’ve known quite a few people to suffer from hallucinations. While I cherished those I served, and though one might rarely say something profound (extremely rare), I can’t imagine such a person writing anything like Galatians or the Gospel of John. It still seems to me that you, like the Fundamentalist-turned-Atheist, had so fastly tied your faith to your particular interpretation, that when it failed, your faith failed with it. I am sincerely sorry for your struggles afterwards. I hope such struggles are over. Even when a sparrow dies, her Creator takes note - how much more when an image-bearer of the Creator dies? I’m glad for now you have come out of the valley of death, and I pray you will be brought into life and life more abundantly. I would encourage you to read the apostolic and ante-Nicene fathers for interpretations of the NT much closer to the Apostles. If nothing else, it would be helpful for your case to refute them also. I hope you’ll forgive me; we both seem to be a little long-winded. ;P It’s the introspection. Grace & Peace on your journey dear one. ✝️✌️

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@@harpsichordkid You obviously didn't watch the longer video to see what I actually said. That's pretty sad. Your reply shows that you have no interest in searching for the truth. You just want to believe in Christianity. You misstated what I said and it is hard to take you seriously. I didn't say the full-preterist doctrine was plainly stated in the NT. I said the exact opposite. I even said it in this shorter video!

[@harpsichordkid]

I did only watch the shorter video because I think I understand your point, though you said I don’t. (Whether or not there is objective truth might be an interesting topic for you to ponder as an atheist.) Anyway, you aren’t challenging my Christianity because I already reject preterism. That teaching was not part of the early Church understanding. There were a variety of views, but even already in the first century, you have writings like Barnabas that say the judgment will come at the end of a type of cosmic week - which would have put it much later than the destruction of Jerusalem. (To him, and several other early Christians, they thought the end would come when the world was 6,000 years old, using the first Genesis creation myth as an allegory for all of history. Other writers, especially those with Platonic influence, seem to dismiss time altogether as something not really real.) I looked at some other of your videos, and you seem have latched on to a few fringe ideas. So while your arguments against “Christianity” may refute what you previously believed, they do not refute the more mainstream understandings of Christianity, whether historical or modern. I don’t mean any disrespect, but I think you’ve been worshipping your own intelligence this whole time, rather than ever worshipped the Intelligence that made you. What I mean by that is you’ve obviously dug into the Bible and wrestled with its meaning, but it seems you were either trying to interpret it wholly by yourself, or with some obscure commentators. I enjoy the obscure also, but you have to start with the foundation of orthodoxy. The good obscure writers dig deeper into the tradition rather than reject it. Not that tradition is everything. One has to use his/her reason. But it goes against reason to say that the eschatological interpretations of Christians writing in the 1st and 2nd centuries are wrong, and that your interpretation (which is a very recent one in the history of the church) is the only valid reading. It’s kind of a foolish pride to think we as 21st century persons understand the Apostles better than the 1st and 2nd century students of the Apostles. Now, to say I don’t care about the truth - how do you think I was even recommended your videos in the first place? I studied philosophy in undergrad. The majority of my friends are atheists or agnostic. I’m a fan of the late Christopher Hitchens. I have, in times past, struggled with Christianity. In some ways, it seems like life would be easier without religious conviction. But, after years of thought, the materialism of atheism is insufficient. It makes all logical things illogical. Now, there are a lot of forms of Christianity I reject. Most types of Fundamentalism amount to a kind of unsophisticated Sophistry. And I reject your version of “Christianity” also. But the Christianity that this world must be the product of an omnipotent Mind, that there are such transcendent things as Goodness and Truth, and that humankind cannot be satisfied with the mundane alone, these I accept. And for these reasons, and many others, I am a convinced Christian.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@@harpsichordkid I want to escape my ego. I would humbly suggest that you do the same. It won't be easy. The ego loves attention. The reasons you gave in the last 2 lines of your comment do not require the Christian god. If you want to escape Christianity, hold the NT writers accountable for what they said. I wish you well.

[@lorrainebedford2797]

Well I thought I might have been onto something stumbling cross u!!..I have come out of Christianity a few years ago and my faith has never been stronger...had to unlearn the lies and false teachings and it's strange how I've grown on my own...by the Grace of God...undoubtedly...I recently got the KTK (Keys of the Kingdom) version...absolutely amazing read...so clear and readable...the word of God is alive and active...this I do know and it was only when...after a couple of months when I was saved...over 25years ago...when I started to read the scriptures...in spite of the corrupt translations in part...did I realise and know what God had done for me...by his merciful goodwill he saved me...through his son...Jesus Christ...what a Mighty God I serve...there's no denying that...I really do hope u find Truth...blessings in Christ...

[@babbly5717]

Exactly brother. As soon as you genuinely decide to seek the truth and stop following men and religion, but our Lord Jesus Christ, you realize just how much crazier all of this actually is. I pray your faith has held over the last couple years, God bless!

[@IAmisMaster]

Full preterism always leads to apostasy. Sad!

[@piano9433]

Trying to take the text seriously, i would say.

[@therealjakedean3317]

Yet we can find not one passage teaching their 1st century audience to expect these things in thousands of years, or according to Partial Preterism some 3rd coming in thousands of years after 70ad second coming. Nor a passage teaching of some in-between “church age” before the eternal age to come in thousands of years. Every example we find of a clear time expectancy - we find it is always for their generation, very soon. That is what they were taught according to the Bible. Never the opposite of this as Christianity/futurism teaches - “long distant generation. thousands of years into future” No one will accommodate this for us so we naturally conclude we’ve been completely lied to and the only response we can get is some kind of question begging or name calling, but no rebuttal to the actual core arguments establishing full Preterism. It’s clear to us these responses and threats of apostasy/heresy/danger are just a projection of your guys fears because it adds no value to the discussion itself, it just begs the very question of your futurism/Christianity and it basically says most (or some/many according to PP) of those predictions are false or actually mean the opposite of what they say - ie “long distant - thousands of years” We’re said to be the apostates for actually believing the words as they clearly appear. There is no other option then to see everything we were told is a lie and nowhere to be found in the Bible. You see, it’s very natural for us to conclude it’s based on a bunch of lies / deception to control people with fear + the victims of this delusion who continually feed it with that fear. You guys call it apostasy all you want, at least we’re not forcing the Bible into some man made creeds

[@harpsichordkid]

Full Preterism is a 19th century innovation. At its oldest, preterism started in the 16th century in order to attack early Protestant historicist interpretations. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but you’d think if preterism is what the Apostles taught, we’d find that view in the Christian writers of the 1st and 2nd centuries. We do not.

[@harpsichordkid]

@The Real Jake Dean Uhm, actually we do have writings from the 1st and 2nd centuries addressing this. It seems the common idea was that the earth would pass through 6 ages (based on symbolic readings of the first Creation story in Genesis) before the End - which would be the eternal Sabbath. We find this as early as the Epistle to Barnabas. Some writers took this as a chance to “date set” - relatively at least. But it would have still been long after the destruction of Jerusalem. Other Christian writers, those of a Platonic bend, are more open ended because time was not really real to them. Preterism starts in the 16th century as a reaction against Protestant historicist commentaries, and Full Preterism doesn’t come around until the 19th century. There’s nothing Apostolic about it.

[@Denise0752]

@@therealjakedean3317 The Bible did not exist in 70AD

[@RobotNinjaDestroyer]

when jesus says "some of you standing here will not taste before they see the son of man coming in his glory" maybe he means that some of these people will never die because they are saved will always be alive in heaven. So they will not taste death before the son of man comes or after.

[@jasonlochary9656]

I am sure In the scriptures Jesus was talking to Peter, James, and John about them witnessing his Transfiguration. Hence seeing the Son of Man in his glory.

[@mariobethell3731]

@@jasonlochary9656 you are surely wrong! For Jesus said that he would come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and "shall reward every man according to his works". Matthew 16:27-28. These sentiments are also echoed in the following places: Mark 13:24-30. Matthew 24:29-31 & 34-35. Matthew 10:19-23. Even the Apostle Peter, while being filled with Holy Spirit, falsely proclaimed this notion. On Pentecost day, he told the crowed that the prophecy of Joel was now being fulfilled. Acts 2:14-20. Truth is the extent to which a claim conforms to reality. So if you believe your bible to be true, then you also believe Deuteronomy 18:21-22. For there it gives the believer instructions on how to detect false prophets. SHALOM!

[@jennacalicchio4312]

@@mariobethell3731 you are correct, sir!

[@ChristianConspirator]

The actual answer is not full preterism, it's open theism. God changed His mind, as He did several times in the Bible.

[@tshepokgwele1789]

Wow!!!, in 10mins, now I wanna see the 2hr video, thank you.

[@GnaReffotsirk]

I thought the "coming in glory" was the ressurected Jesus appearing to them. Paul speaking of the catching away was open ended and had the revealing of the man of sin as prerequisite. They did believe it then because they did not know when it will occur. Just as christians today do, right? Always be ready and all that.

[@loksterization]

Exactly, brother!

[@Game_Lighting]

Please can you put the resources in bio, and thank you for your hard work 🙏

[@forgetmenot4600]

It is sown a natural it is raised a spiritual body, I don't see any problem with that. Also, that which is first is natural, then that which is spiritual.

[@RobotNinjaDestroyer]

1. If God doesn't exist then why is it that when I needed money to go on a mission trip to India my I prayed for money to go and I got checks in the mail from people I dont know for thousands of dollars when nobody even knew I was at the missionary organization in northern California? 2. Why is it that when my friends and I went on the streets for 24 hours and we brought no money or food with us and relied on God to provide food that a woman came up to us out of nowhere on the street and told us that she felt God guide her to go down this street that she never goes down and then she bought us 60 dollars worth of food? My friends and I went out for 3 days and random people bought us food.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

Giving anecdotal stories does not prove the Christian god exists. Why do millions of children under 5 suffer from severe malnutrition every year? Many young children die from starvation every day. What about genocides? What about "miracles" that people, like you, from other religions say they experience. Sometimes even non-religious people say they experience them. Anecdotal experiences don't prove anything. In my longer version of this video I show why the Christian God cannot exist because he did not fulfill the things he promises in the time frame he said they would happen.

[@RobotNinjaDestroyer]

@@escapingchristianity8765 they say "if there's a God, why is there so much evil in the world?" I say if there isn't a God, why is there so much good in the world? Also the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

God let's around 4000 children die of starvation everyday. Something like that... might be more... but yeah... he's looking out for you guys

[@vanessaronquillo8312]

@@RobotNinjaDestroyer Ok then what is the blessed name of your lord? Look it up in strong's concordance then you will find who your lord is!

[@RobotNinjaDestroyer]

@@vanessaronquillo8312 The Bible has no contradictions, inconsistencies with history, inconsistencies with logic, moral objections, or unfulfilled prophecies.

[@JonathanMcLatchie]

As a Christian, I think Paul probably did believe that Jesus was going to return during his lifetime, though evidently he didn't believe this towards the end of his life (2 Tim 4:6-8). I would disagree that this falsifies Christianity, though.

[@Preterism.]

Dear Dr J You raised a good point there when you mentioned that Paul believed that Jesus would return in his lifetime, to which I heartily agree. Later in his 2nd letter to Timothy, he realised that his time on earth was up so to speak, he had "fought the good fight". However, one crucial point has been missed. He only realised that he wouldn't live to witness the Lord's return when he knew he was going to die. This means that had he lived a little longer, he would indeed have been alive when Jesus returned, as all Paul's epistles were inspired by the Holy Spirit. This puts the return of Jesus firmly in the 1st century, something I have come to accept only recently. It has done nothing but make my faith stonger. I urge you to research further into this. A good place to start is to listen to or view one of Dr Don K Preston's lectures. His knowledge of OT and NT scripture is phenominal. Very sound exegesis. Peace.

[@SPL0869]

It falsifies a god breathed or god inspired text though

[@forgetmenot4600]

@@Preterism. I learned so much from Don. I KEEP TELLING HIM THAT HE IS A NATIONAL TREASURE.

[@markrademaker5875]

If i heard you right, you say that The Bible teaches that the new heavens and the new earth would be perfect, is that right? Rev. 22:2 & Isaiah 65:17ff don't teach that, right?

[@joehinojosa8030]

Not every OPINION the first century Christians had was " infallible". Didnt Paul argue with Barnabbas and Peter?

[@RobotNinjaDestroyer]

If someone asks me "how do you explain contradictions and unfulfilled prophecies in the Bible?" I say I dont know. There's a way to explain it, I just don't know what that way is. That's how you can come back to Christianity. It's not too late! Make Jesus your savior again!

[@mariobethell3731]

What you are describing is called faith, or rather, blind faith. Faith is believing any thing without evidence that one does not know. What this man is saying, he does know, for the evidence is with in your very bible. Your bible was written to give righteous instructions as well as righteous evidence that the reader might be able to discern truth from error. There is no exception to this rule. Therefore if error is detected, then error it is. After all, the bible is written to detect truth and error.

[@dericanslum1696]

...no...just no...

[@J3susIsL0rd]

Im a full preterist, but about the resurrection, there have been a battle in armagheddon(a spiritual battle) and there were sings this jappened, like you would love to see josephus miracoulous events of 70ad as sings if jesus's coming. In this battle against the impure spirits that ruled the earth, i think since jesus was winning, thats why they saw dead people walkin' around in israel, recorded by josephus ecc.. Tell me what you think abt it.

[@seymameryem3532]

Hello.. I really wonder about ur tots regarding Islam. Have u ever read the Quran? Share with us if one day u do it.. thnx...

[@dericanslum1696]

...same shit...same smell...

[@AndreasWiget]

You should ask yourself, was Christ raised from the dead, yes or no? You made your faith dependant on certain intellectual difficulties in the Biblical text rather than on the core message of Christianity. How will you deal with your sin without Christ? I found some of your videos interesting even though I am a partial preterist and not a full preterist. Sin is real and it will mess up your life, especially in the long run. I know very well what I am talking about. I remember the deep dark pit the Lord rescued me from. I would never want to go back there. Turn to the Savior and get a break from some of the academic research that is too focused on small textual issues. As a seminary graduate, I know exactly how unhealthy that can be. I mean that with kindness.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@AndreasWiget The New Testament states plainly over 100 times that the end of the current age and arrival of the kingdom of god is “near”, “at the doors”, “will not delay”, “will happen to this generation” etc. It also plainly states that the physical, flesh and blood body, that you and I have today, will not exist after the first century generation because it is under the power and domination of sin. (Rom 7, Phil 3:21, Rom 8:23, Rom 8:29, 1 Cor 15:50-55 et al). The kingdom of God is supposed to be a perfect state (Rom 8:18-23, Rev 21-22) so the physical body could not exist when it arrives (Luke 17:26-30, Matt 24:37-39). The fact you and I are sitting here in physical bodies 2,000 years later is 1,000 billion percent proof the Christian god does not exist. Or he is a liar. But if he is a liar then he is a sinner according to the Bible’s own theology and therefore he cannot be the sinless sacrifice that takes away the sins of the world and all of Christian theology is destroyed. Therefore we can know the Christian god does not exist by using this simple logical argument. I would encourage you to watch the last video I posted on my channel “Christianity’s Fatal Problem Revisited” to get a summary of the argument. If you are interested in more you can watch the last dozen or so videos I made on my channel after I de-converted. By the way, if you try to say there is a third option which is “you are not interpreting the passages correctly!” (which Christians usually try to say) please recognize you live in a fantasy world. The verses I list in my videos are plainly and clearly stated. If you won’t hold the passages accountable for what they say you will never know the truth.

[@babbly5717]

@@escapingchristianity8765 I have heard this argument before and i am genuinely confused what the problem would be here. The kingdom of god is not a physical pace and this is something any remotely educated christian should understand. Luke 17:20-21 ESV 20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.” The word "midst" is translated from the greek word "ἐντὸς", "entos" meaning "within" or "among" It is clear the "Kingdom of God" is a figurative kingdom within the people. Jesus made it clear the kingdom of god would come to all of those who believed in him and were made able to have a relationship with God through his atoning sacrifice. I say all of this with the absolute upmost respect. As a former atheist I understand the desire to want to use every question as a way to escape the faith if you do not want to be in it. I once looked at Christianity as a superstious and arcaic movement, but it has become clear that it is extremely sophisticated and little misconceptions like this cannot simply take it all down. The church fathers and many well renowned athiests would not hold it all with such high regard if this were the case. I pray this can reach your heart for a response. I know how I would've felt in your shoes with me saying this, but God bless!

[@mjack3521]

What is the Body of Christ?

[@gkeith64]

Yah shalom beloved. Please watch dr. Emoto Masuro video if thoughts can do that to water.

[@williammcroberts4281]

More and more simply do not accept the core propositions anymore.

[@dericanslum1696]

...inevitable...

[@therealjakedean3317]

Christians can’t agree on what exactly is core or not. Randomly ask 20 different professed creedal Christians for a definition of the gospel and you will probably find most of them disagree on some very basic matters. And that is suppose to be what saves man from eternal conscious torment according to a lot of them. Except it’s not so clear what precisely is meant by gospel (if there is any tenable definition of that salvation knowledge which illustrates unification across the different denominations) besides each christian will have their meaning for this which disagrees with many others. Unless you ask within the echo chamber of a specific community (and even then there will probably be some fundemental differences). But honestly none of this should come as a surprise when there are 45,000 denominations who are completely seperated from the original 1st century audience yet finding ways to read themselves into the pronouns of that 2,000 year old mail + make it relevant to them in 2021. No wonder no one can agree as we all have different experiences depending on where we are, so each community just interprets those letters as if the pronouns were written to them and therefore to their modern day experience. No two people have the same exact experience. So that there is no clear unity between the different views on gospel, eschatology, or what precisely is to be understood of the law, etc... the most basic things one should be able understand and defend as a Christian who claims they are getting these ideas from the very words of God. Even with this it seems the whole thing has taken a life of its own evolving/changing relevant to each community and their relationship with the fashions of the day - so much so each generation is correcting the errors they were taught before.

[@dericanslum1696]

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[@dericanslum1696]

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[@therealjakedean3317]

@@dericanslum1696 yeah man. This hits the nail on the head! Im saving this. I just recently deconverted over the past few months. It was life or death for me for me for 30 years and then last year it came to the point where “if Gods word is true then I have to be a full preterist”, it’s one of the few things that actually is expliclty clear in scripture. It doesn’t take one long after this to see every Christian dogma today is based on the assumption that the time statements of scripture are false or completely meaningless to invent out of thin air some 2000 year delay of some future 3rd coming way into the future after 70ad. Which comes with other inventions like the idea of this in-between “church age” before the eternal age to come. When scripture knows of no such in-between age. The list goes on and it’s all based on denying basic biblical propositions so that they can apply someone else’s 2000 y.o. mail to themselves. That’s Christianity for you! Lol they can’t even prove their doctrines if we give them the whole cannon as proof.

[@poormansprotocol-bibinpbab4177]

How do you explain miracles?

[@kingofthelynxes6816]

The person's who changes it and say that its not literal are not right.

[@multard]

Thank you for being an honest person seeking the truth.

[@chadarra]

So first off, the created order that would be restored was not physical creation. This is easy to understand if you know "Heaven and Earth" is the temple. The elements that would melt are the rudiments of the law. Death was guilt before the law. They never talk about the physical creation because you are ignoring the context of hebrew cosmology. I'm not saying God exist, I'm saying you misunderstood that The return of christ has anything to do with the physical planet.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

I didn't misunderstand anything on the subject you mention. I used to teach about "Stoichea" (elements) being the Law of Moses and "Heaven and Earth" being the temple on this channel when I was still an FP and Christian. The "Hebrew cosmology" you refer to is nothing but full-preterist teaching. The NT writers believed in a restored earth and a bodily change. Physical transformations. You would know this if you had watched the longer version of this video where I deal with FP arguments where they try to turn it into something non-physical like the changing of the covenants.

[@chadarra]

@@escapingchristianity8765 But those aren't just Full Preterist talking points. In no way did they expect a new physical earth, you are returning to looking at hebrew writings with the greek mindset.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@@chadarra Paul and the other NT writers believed that their physical body would be transformed and sin would be eradicated from it. They state, explicitly, multiple times in the NT that it would happen before everyone from their generation died. Please read Romans 7:23-24 and Romans 8:23 and the surrounding context (all of Romans 7 & 8) and compare with 1 Cor 15:50 and it's immediate context in 1 Cor 15:46-49. Paul is definitely talking about a physical body and not some corporate body of OC Israel. Have humans been living in immortal, sinless bodies since the first century? The Christ figure did not return when he and his followers promised he would. Should any reasonable person trust people like that? Paul and the first century Christians were frauds like all the other doomsday cults throughout time. I hate to sound harsh but that is exactly what it is.

[@chadarra]

@@escapingchristianity8765 Read ezekiel and the valley of dry bones if you want to understand death and resurrection in their context. Israel was dead and would be raised from the grave and brought back to life. Were they actually physically dead? no were they being raised from actual graves? no Paul, familiar with the prophets employed this type of language in his writings. It's so simple.

[@kingofthelynxes6816]

@@escapingchristianity8765 What time statements in the bible give me a scripture

[@Denise0752]

You said you left Christianity, so do you still believe in a God or are you atheist now? Thanks.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

I am agnostic. The evidence humanity has is inconclusive so I think being an agnostic is the only honest position. I hope there is something better after we die and that could easily be true. It could also easily be true that there is nothing. We simply don't know but I am hoping for a better existence after this one.

[@Denise0752]

@@escapingchristianity8765 Thanks for taking the time to reply.

[@babbly5717]

@@escapingchristianity8765 I am also an agnostic, but I am forced to believe Christianity is true. The fact it works so well, the testimony of others, the philisophical arguments, the evidence for the ressurection all demand an answer and I have not found any conclusive evidence against. The fact even most secular scholars would agree Jesus existed, was crucified, and at least 4 of his followers were executed for proclaiming it is not something that can be simily dismissed. I hope you have read my other comment as well!

[@thepump123]

Hello! I'm a Christian and I am working on an essay that I was inspired to write because of your video. I would be honored if you would read it. Are you absolutely closed off to the Christian faith now or are you still somewhat open to it? I hope you are having a good day.

[@clouds-rb9xt]

Did you write it?

[@thepump123]

​@@clouds-rb9xt Hey! That's for replying. Yes, I wrote it.

[@clouds-rb9xt]

@@thepump123 Any way you could link it?

[@moonplug1351]

Myth Vision sent me here

[@truth2powermillions400]

Same!

[@zakuul9020]

It’s not that the God of the bible doesn’t exist, but it’s that He sent his son Jesus to gather the lost sheep of Israel. You had Judah who practiced the law (rather badly) and the scattered Israelites who had been dispersed across the known world divorced from YHWH and still under the curse of the law. No one today has sin imputed on them because no one today was ever under the law of Moses and it’s blessings/curses. No one today was ever given the law. Jesus came to redeem all of Jacob from the curse of the Law through his death. As Jesus said himself the end was in that generation with the destruction of the temple, when the Romans surrounded the city. Josephus makes mention of the crazy signs he saw like chariots in the sky because it was when the Christians were to be redeemed. Maybe this is when the 1st Century Christians were raptured off into New Jerusalem, where there is no pain or tears a spiritual realm far away from our own. All I know is that scriptures and prophecy ended with the book of revelation, we have no prophets and no Holy Spirit powers. The story was never about anyone after Jesus’s generation. We picked up someone else’s mail and applied it to ourselves. We can take wisdom from the bible and joy knowing that all those judgements were not for us, although this doesn’t negate the fact that bad things happen in life.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

God is Imaginary

[@zakuul9020]

@@travisjazzbo3490 Not anymore imaginary than believing we just randomly came into existence.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@@zakuul9020 well.. We know for sure the Bible God didnt do it.. all you have to do to prove that is read the Bible. Which other God that man has invented would you like to argue is responsible for all that is? Also... what can you tell me about that God without faith and imagination arguments?

[@zakuul9020]

@@travisjazzbo3490 lol mate. I didn’t say that the God of the bible did it. I’m still trying to investigate this. As I said above the bible story was about Israel and the book of Revelation was about the end of Jerusalem in the 1st century not the end of the world. There are times in my life where I know for certain a being I can’t understand has been there for me. Is it the God of the bible maybe? Maybe not? I don’t include myself in the bible narrative because I know it wasn’t about me or anyone today. This doesn’t mean there is no God or Gods though. To believe we just exist, with our intelligence, the way our bodies work, where the sun is placed or the moon, how everything comes together to make this world habitable, to believe it’s all coincidence is insane tbh

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@@zakuul9020 I guess I don't understand the point of pondering and wondering and placing a God in the place of 'making all this happen'. Maybe there is a God. Maybe there isn't. Since we have never uncovered any evidence of anything, not sure why people waste their time 'believing' in something, of which they have no evidence. Even more, people assign all of these character traits to, some being, again, that they have ZERO evidence of in the first place... they just IMAGINE and then that IMAGINATION is worked into a reality, for no good reason. I am an Atheist. This means I don't believe a God exits, but when someone provides me evidence that one does, I can be swayed. I have no problem with this. To simply believe in something, because you don't have an explanation of things we don't yet understand, seems silly to me. However, the theories by cosmologists today, do posit that it all could have been done by totally natural processes, and completely obeying all of the laws of physics, no magic being needed. Are they right? I don't know, but science continues to uncover the universe' mysteries while religions continues to be nonsense. Don't get me wrong... thousands of God's have been invented in history by people that lived lives of superstition permeating throughout their lives. No reason to waste time and energy being superstitious anymore - not in this day and age. Don't you agree?

[@DontLikeCubes]

Thank God for me knowing body language. For thosw curious 3:33 and any basic book will tell you what I mean. Jesus is real.

[@uroshratkovic930]

Earth is a plane, not a planet. Thought you should know that, since you know basic math, timestamps and all that. :D

[@mamoruchiba86]

Hi brother.. I do understand that the Bible can be quite contradictive 😔 and it's difficult to understand.. Do you want to talk to people who met Jesus? So you can be convinced

[@mamoruchiba86]

@Mr. One-Two so many people experienced / had encounter with Jesus.. He is real.

[@mamoruchiba86]

@Mr. One-Two so how come my friend meet Him after she calls Him when she repented from satanism? 🤔😅

[@Raiden-the-Goat32]

@@mamoruchiba86 Personal experience is a bad example dude. For example some people claim to have met alien's in an abduction. Does this mean they really were abducted by ET ? A lot of people have claimed to have met the Muslim god and some it's the hindu god's. Does this make it true ? You can experience something in the form of a hallucination because of cultural conditioning and being put in a suggestive state of mind.

[@yaquboulhadj4510]

Bro your not very intellectual developed you can't use personal experiences bro it's subjective a sikh can also say they met guru nanak and Changed there life soooo its not a valid argument. You need to rather use you logic and reasoning to determine truth, I suggest you christians stop with this subjective experience nonsense.

[@mamoruchiba86]

@@yaquboulhadj4510 so if one day God himself give you clue and let you experience something from Him, you will just ignore it just because it's "personal experiences" ?

[@marlenepecori3792]

higher creative conciousness ....

[@interested-q4d]

i could even accept Christianity per se. however the exclusionist beliefs are so overwhelmingly irrational you're only left with atheism. this includes people like Alisa Childers Billy Graham Pat Copeland et al.

[@RobotNinjaDestroyer]

Perhaps when jesus says "this generation will not pass away until these things happen" he was not talking about the second coming of the Christ he was talking about his resurrection. When paul says he is coming soon maybe he means he's coming soon from God's perspective because the bible says a day is like a thousand years to God.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

I would suggest watching the longer version of this video where I deal with both arguments you brought up and show why they don't work.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

Nope...

[@mariobethell3731]

Apostle Peter falsely proclaimed that the prophecy of Joel was curently being fulfilled. This he said on the day of Pentecost, while supposeably being filled with the Holy Spirit. See Acts 2:14-20. Peter was able to say these things because he was taught these things. Therefore he expected redemption in his life-time. Read Deuteronomy 18:21-22. It lays down instructions on how to detect false prophets. Any one fitting those discriptions is a false prophet, without exception.

[@GradyRisley]

You have no concept of "context". And your preconceived notions have caused you to deny the truth after the truth caused you to look deeper. Study more preterists because you are not stating or representing what Preterists actually believe. (In other words what your saying Preterists believe is wrong). I think you know the YHWH of the Bible exists.... because if He didn't, there is no "logical" or "mathematical" reason for you to have made this video. Lol

[@B.S._Lewis]

What do you mean there'd be no math or logic without YHWH?

[@kleenex3000]

The obligate cause at any inquiry, it is the *evolved primate brain.* As scientists we know very well nowadays, that the assertion of the imaginary called "YHWH" it EVOLVED = was changed over generations, from the assertions of Canaanite PolyTheism. And, just for fun: My spouse asserts that you look like an intermediate hybrid, between a Hell's Angel (95%er, Bloods&Chips) and an orthodox priest (idolatrous ceremonial master in Russia) are you aware?

[@GradyRisley]

@@kleenex3000 Ok, I know I'm not gonna change your mind just wanted to put it out there. In regards to my looks, my wife just says I look sexy and she's the only one who's opinion I'm interested in. My2Cents

[@joehinojosa8030]

Paul had " hallucinations"? I'm going to play sceptic here. WHERES THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?

[@piano9433]

We can not know for sure. It's just more probable than someone rising from the dead.

[@joehinojosa8030]

@@piano9433 Except to the One Raised from the dead

[@piano9433]

@@joehinojosa8030 Of course, we have to allow our religion to be the exception. Maybe it can. But just saying won't make it so. Why do you believe it's true?

[@joehinojosa8030]

@@piano9433 Theres alot of possible " reasons" or " excuses". ( Depends on your perspective). I suspect in my case there may be psychological angst for such faith. I suspect the human mind has an inherent expectation for predictability and rational coherence in nature. Belief reinforces the expectation for a grounding of reality into a pattern of regularity based not on chaos but Creator

[@loksterization]

@@piano9433 Jesus definitely rose from the dead. His church of 2.5 billion Christians, even after such severe persecutions, testifies to that. Jesus fulfilled hundreds of Old Testament prophecies. The chances of that happening is about zero.

[@Johnathan909309]

Paul says it's the Christ IN YOU the hope of glory I recommend y'all watch manly p hall st. Paul the initiate apostle on KZbin.

[@ELCHENEX]

MPH is the man!

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@Kirk from The Marshall Report God def

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@Kirk from The Marshall Report definitely does not exist: prove that anyway you can, what evidence do you have, even smart atheists don't say this !

[@yaquboulhadj4510]

@Kirk from The Marshall Report God definitely does exist just look at the organisation In the universe, I mean its like taking a cup of bees and shaking the cup and throwing it the bees are not going to magically apeer in nice neet rows are they. Also I think you denie Gods existence because you don't want to be held accountible for your actions in this life. I'm Muslim BTW.

[@yaquboulhadj4510]

@Kirk from The Marshall Report the existence of God is the most logical thing.

[@yqafree]

I'm a gnostic Christian, a universalist. I believe that Jesus Christ is real as a Holy Spiritual immanation, He narratively was constructed to be an allegorical character to show the wicked human that they indeed can count righteousness for virtue and that despite their sins there's a reason that we're all bound to return to the monadic Father that is Holy. His purpose isn't to be thought of as separate from every human but it's for a narrative to tell us about the good news that He's holding everyone together. I can get into only a bit. I'm pretty busy. But I hope that you can think of the early Christian narrative was actually a form of gnosticism and apart from Judaism (the doomsday cult) and actually more stoic and pluralistic. Being a response to all the corruption of Judaism. It wasn't about actual prophecies or the immanent-physical world but rather simply a creative way to get out of the bondage of the Jewish and Roman rule, that's why certain groups of early Christians were persecuted into silence or completely decimated. I'm willing to talk with you my guy, we can talk on the phone sometime because it's faster than writing. - YQA

[@stevenfrasier5718]

Many believers in Christ are no longer referring to themselves as "Christian", so as to distance themselves from the Religion of it all. Futurism and Full Preterism is seriously flawed--it's quite fine to come to that conclusion. Have you become an "Atheist" Robert? I can't blame you for what you are going through now. Perhaps you will be like Bart Ehrman, knowledgeable yet unsubjectified. What I'm getting from you seems reactionary. Aside from what you're reacting to, what is your current position? In other words, instead of focusing on what you no longer ascribe to--what is it that you're setting your sites on? I'm trying to be sensitive to who you are, in a non-judgemental manner, and to UNDERSTAND you--just YOU.

[@dericanslum1696]

...atheism isn't a claim but the rejection of claims...he has no requirement to explain that to anyone any further...

[@stevenfrasier5718]

@@dericanslum1696 STFU. You are making an exclusive "Claim" that "atheism isn't a claim", to which anyone with sophistication of thought would "Reject". Atheism may either be a rejection to a claim, or a claim in and of itself, or even BOTH, depending on the mindset of the particular atheist in question. So at the end of your day, you don't know what you're talking about, and you've added nothing at all except just another brick in the wall. ~Steven of Montreal

[@dericanslum1696]

@@stevenfrasier5718 ...atheism is not a claim...hope that simplification clears it up for you...

[@stevenfrasier5718]

@@dericanslum1696 It's debatable as to whether one is making a "claim", or expressing a "realization". > Theism's claim: "I believe that God exists." > Atheism's claim: "I believe that God does not exist." > Deric' Anslum's claim: "...atheism is not a claim." > Steven Frasier's claim: "Atheism is a claim" We can make CLAIMS until the cows come home. We can claim as to whether or not the cows will come home--Lol... ANYTHING can be a claim. You open your mouth and just say it! I can even claim that you are making an arbitrary assertion about the nature of claims--Lol... man, you are dumb! oops, see? I've just made another claim... or was that a realization? Lol...

[@dericanslum1696]

@@stevenfrasier5718 ...there's your confusion...because "I believe that god does not exist" is not the atheist claim...maybe the gnostic atheist but they adopt a burden of proof they can't substantiate when doing so and are in no better logical position then the theist...

[@ggductor1511]

Does the Jewish God exist?

[@escapingchristianity8765]

I don't believe the god (or gods) of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism or any other religion actually exist. They are all inventions of the human mind. The goal of this video (the longer version) is to show why the Christian god cannot exist from the NT's own words. I do believe that we live on after this life and return to a "divine source" or something of that nature. I have my reasons for believing that but cannot prove it conclusively.

[@ELCHENEX]

“I think the Bible ought to be ceremoniously and reverently burned every Easter. We need it no more because the Spirit is with us. It's a dangerous book. And to worship it is, of course, a far more dangerous idolatry than to bow down to images of wood and stone.” Alan Watts

[@thestream1]

Its in your hearts in what way if you didn't read it AND how will unborn generations put it in their hearts if they can't read it? You are not making sense at all.

[@ELCHENEX]

@@thestream1 The "spirit of god" and the "right way of living" is not something that current orthodox christianity has sole authority on. The christian interpretation of scriptures and spiritual beliefs are often profoundly incompatible with Jewish beliefs, even in the old testament which was largely written by Jews, and certainly before christianity existed. The bible can be used as a guide, but there are many other ways without it. When the bible itself is worshiped then that is when it becomes dangerous...

[@RobotNinjaDestroyer]

Robert, when you believed in the Lord were you a part of a ceasationist or continuationist church? I think you were probably a ceasationist because if you were part of a continuationist church you would see unexplainable miracle after unexplainable miracle and that would have proved that's is so oblivious God exist and therefore you would have never left the faith. I suggest if you genuinely want to find proof of God start attending a continuationist church and you'll see so many miracles that you cant explain that would have no choice but to be a believer again.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@Rufus Summer Miracles are not proof for the existence of the Christian god. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and many other religions as well as non-religious people have reported "miracles" happening to them. I suppose you think those ones are fake though huh? Satan masquerading as an angel of light, right? I presented evidence in the longer version of this video that shows the Christian god cannot exist from the NT's own words. You never dealt with that evidence. Like most Christians you just ignored it and said in your previous comments (paraphrasing), "I can't explain it but I know Jesus is true!" You are simply believing what you want too.

[@grimlund]

Those "miracles" that you see in church doesnt prove a shit at all. It is fake. When I see a one legged guy get a new leg then I will believe.

[@balachandrank4981]

If you believe in Afterlife ( not the rubbish the Abrahamics believe) there is quite great reserves for you in Indian schools of thought. Hindus do not believe. Belief is somewhat beastly, animal like. If you want seriously and sincerely come out of what you were trained from infancy, come into contact with other ideas. There are a lot if Other ideas on earth. Just read Indian ideas for engancing your knowledge. But do not fall prey to the western Abrahamic propaganda about the Indian view of the universe. Understand it from the original sourse and not from hearsay..... good luck!

[@GradyRisley]

Lol

[@mjack3521]

👈 Apostate

[@zifiscool4045]

when jesus says "some of you standing here will not taste before they see the son of man coming in his glory" maybe he means that some of these people will never die because they are saved and will always be alive in heaven. So they will not taste death before the son of man comes or after.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

Mental gymnastic number 121 to justify the ridiculous Bible. Trying to make fiction true... what a waste of time