Christianity's Fatal Problem

In this video I discuss Christianity's biggest problem - the second coming of Jesus and what the NT writers said would happen at that event. When combined with the time statements of the NT this proves fatal for the existence of the Christian god. Summary of the arguments I present in this video begins at 21:30.

[@MythVisionPodcast]

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[@guthrie_the_wizard]

MythVision!!

[@MythVisionPodcast]

@@guthrie_the_wizard Hey 👋😏☺

[@Raiden-the-Goat32]

@@toddoman4636 certain thing's can not be taken as metaphor and the book still have any validity. Think about it if everytime a book got something wrong you could just say it is just a metaphor and is not literal then what use does the book have ? Could I not use that same logic to what ever the bible seem's to perhaps have gotten right and say it did not ? My reason in this case would be as follows those verses being used were metaphor not literal so any resemblance to a real life event was just a coincidence . When a book flat out put's a time limit on an event that part can not be taken as metaphor. Can be part's before the time limit be metaphor? Well yes but not the time limit part. My rule if a passage or part of it can be taken literally take it literally and only the parts that can not be take it as metaphor . Even so the parts that can be taken as metaphor may not be intended as metaphor. Not everyone is going to attempt to make sense. I just had to correct my spelling.

[@dannyboy2751]

Don't celebrate yet, he's gonna start using the tagline "Weeee Arrrre Escaping Christianity" Lol 🤣🤣 Love your show Derek ❤👍

[@daveygentry8418]

I'm a Christian, and I enjoy your channel. It helps me to think about things from different angles, and my faith has actually grown, and it was pretty strong to begin with. I'm not going to argue with you, as I know you have your mind made up. I will continue to tune in. Thanks for your input on these subjects. Take care.

[@vfjpl1]

do you have your mind made up?

[@daveygentry8418]

@@vfjpl1 Some things yes, some things no. And I respect you and OP to do the same in your lives, whether you are a believer or not. Peace.

[@kingmosesix432]

Well tht just means u hv lower standard of truth... U basically "teach" urself to accept christianity with all this numerous flaws... and uncountable logical, historical and core beliefs which dosnt make sense n hard to prove

[@gdm2905]

Thank you for your respect. I only wish your god respected unbelievers as much as you do.

[@daveygentry8418]

@@gdm2905 God respects you enough to let you make your own decisions. And He respects you enough to let you live with the consequences of those decisions. And I have that same kind of respect for you. Not a bit more, nor a bit less.

[@sobeit1506]

Thank you for this excellent presentation. For a long-time escapee from the Christ-cult like me it’s a fascinating Bible tour. For those still in prison it’s priceless. More please!

[@kirklandraab1999]

Excellent. You picked up a new subscriber.

[@elainehiggins713]

I am certain that the universe will suck me up and spit me out again as it pleases. It always does. What business is it of mine?

[@chainedmindsasylum]

I just watched your video on why you left Christianity and commented there. I commended you and it was very well done. I'm commenting here to ask you if you have studied Near Death Experiences and especially the Out of Body Experiences that often accompany them. I've studied them for 30 years as a former fundamentalist Christian and they are compelling. The OBE's of thousands and particularly the ones that are corroborated by others are hard to dismiss. I have come to believe with great assurance that our consciousness does survive physical death. I just thought I would bring this to your attention if you weren't already aware. Peace and love my friend ❤️🙏

[@chainedmindsasylum]

@UCjSFMY-RhpzhSTKc6a9WGCQ Thanks, I just found his channel a couple of days ago so I wasn't sure. I agree with much of what you said also. On the matter of things not "ceasing to exist" even science claims energy can't be destroyed it just changes form. I maintain that the energy that animated us just changes form and this is the true us.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@Dan Dean I call myself, technically, an agnostic because we don't know conclusively if there is an afterlife or not from the evidence we have as humans. But my personal opinion is that I am strongly persuaded from the non-conclusive evidence that there is an afterlife. I believe this for the same reasons you do - Very compelling NDE's (which I have also studied off and on for about 30 years), and also for philosophical reasons too. Thank you for sharing your comment!

[@chainedmindsasylum]

@@escapingchristianity8765 Thank you for replying and I have great respect for you choosing truth and honesty over defending the indefensible. Eschatology was a major factor in freeing myself from the clutches of religion and from that Book 📖. I realized, as you did, that every single writer of the NT believed they were living in the last days. Those 2 verses where the Jesus character said "this generation shall not pass away" and "there are some standing here that shall not taste death" were huge for me. I also saw, like you did, "behold I come quickly" 3 times in Revelation. That verse in 2 Peter "a day is as 1000 years" was a later edition when "scoffers" starting speaking out. Besides that it's nonsensical for God to say things in human terms and add a disclaimer later saying he was speaking from his perspective. Diligently seeking for the truth allowed me to see things I couldn't see before. Peace and love to you my friend ❤️

[@scienceexplains302]

@@escapingchristianity8765 Could you give some documentation for one of these compelling NDEs? I have found liars and people relying on changing memories. Even cases that a doctor thought was compelling turned out to be better explained without an afterlife.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@@scienceexplains302 Instead of giving you specific examples (which I can do if you want) I would rather talk about certain characteristics of NDE's. Because of the nature of NDE's it is too easy for a person to listen to them and say, "I don't believe it". I think this type of reaction is very similar to what Christians do with the Bible when they don't like what it says (like the time statements) and try to change it's meaning. Both examples are done to try and support pre-existing beliefs that the person finds attractive. Many, many NDE's talk about feeling connected to everything. They feel overwhelming feelings of love and a lack of judgement during a life review. NDE's are far more ordered than hallucinations which are usually disordered. They say the experience feels more real than life on this planet. I know the explanations science will try to give for these experiences such as: Brain being flooded with dopamine or DMT to ease the dying process and many other similar explanations that science will claim they have data to support. I will leave you with a couple thoughts about NDE's that I think strongly suggest they are real: 1) People who experience NDE's can claim to see and hear things far away from their incapacitated bodies that are verified by other people later. And an even better reason: 2) Many NDE's report re-living experiences during their life review but from everybody else's vantage point. They felt what everybody else felt at the time. This is a very strange thing to happen in the last moments of one's existence if the atheistic world view is correct. Now I'm sure an atheist or a scientist could say, "That's the empathic regions of the brain shutting down!". Sounds very convenient to me. Sounds like what Christians do with their scriptures and I don't buy it. At the end of the day you can make a strong argument for both the atheistic and after-life world views. Neither side can prove their view CONCLUSIVELY. But I am strongly persuaded that the after-life view is correct. What I do know for sure is that the Christian god is not there no matter which view you choose.

[@BrotherAaronSpeaks]

Greetings, I truly appreciate the video and some of the information that you put out. I do have one questions however. Is this an argument against full preterism or christianity. I am assuming that you hold to the position that full preterism has the most explanatory power. Therefore if you refute full preterism you refute Christianity? The only two comparisons in this video are "free grace" and "full preterists." Im not disagreeing with your critique of those positions. I am questioning it as a "fatal problem" of christianity.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@Brother Aaron the Presby The reason why it is fatal for Christianity is because the time statements, combined with many things the NT writers say like Paul, require a first century fulfillment that did not happen. Paul did not believe that flesh and blood bodies would still exist after the Parousia (1 Cor 15:50-55) and he also believed that the physical universe would be perfected (Rom 8:18-23). And the NT writers explicitly state all this had to happen before they all died (Matt 10:23, Matt 16:27-28, Matt 24:34, Mark 8:38-9:1, Mark 13:30, Luke 9:26-27, Luke 21:32, 1 Cor 7:29-31, Acts 24:15 greek word "mello", 1 John 2:18, 1 Peter 4:7, James 5:8, Heb 10:37 et al.) If you are really interested in finding the truth (most Christians aren't) I would strongly suggest watching my videos "Why Partial Preterism Does Not Work", "The Best Argument to Refute Christianity part 1 & 2" and "Why the Christian God Cannot Exist" to get more in-depth arguments from me about this subject.

[@BrotherAaronSpeaks]

@@escapingchristianity8765 thanks for the reply, and I will certainly watch them.

[@horus44102]

When they talked about the world they were talking about the them known world. Not the Americas or Asia, Africa and Australia

[@Crimsonnaire]

Your argument is based solely on one interpretation of Matthew 24:34. Do you have a refutation for the idea that it's talking about the sinful generation?

[@drewjohnson4811]

Don't 1 Cor. 15 and Rev. 20 put a lot of time between the first resurrection at Christ's coming and the destruction of "Death" being the "last enemy"?

[@escapingchristianity8765]

No, and I answer that question in the video before this one called "Why Partial Preterism Does Not Work" so you might want to check out that video.

[@drewjohnson4811]

@@escapingchristianity8765 I went and checked it out again. Sorry, I'm just having a hard time following that reading of 1 Cor. 15. If that position is correct, shouldn't Paul have just said each in his own order - Christ then the whole world at his coming? It seems to be saying "coming" and "end" are necessarily simultaneous events therefore it's A (Christ) then BC (Christ's elect & the rest of the dead together). I guess I'm stuck on why he would say A then B then C with a condition on the timing of C if there are really only two sets in Paul's order. Also, the video seemed to say 1 Thess 4 implies a final resurrection of both the just and unjust but it only says "dead in Christ". It doesn't really address the unjust there. That would seem to coincide with "those who are Christ's" in 1 Cor 15:23. I'll just keep watching to understand the position better.

[@jdnlaw1974]

In which specific verses did Paul wrongfully predict a first century return/revelation? Thanks.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

1 Cor 7:29-31 "the time is short", Rom 16:20 "crush Satan shortly", Acts 17:31 & 24:15 "about to judge" using the Greek word Mello (this is what Luke claims Paul said), 2 Tim 4:1 "about to judge" using the Greek word Mello (this letter not believed by Bible Scholars to be Pauline). I'm probably forgetting some. If you want explicit time statements that say the second coming had to occur in Jesus' generation: Matt 10:23, Matt 16:27-28, Matt 24:34, Mark 8:38-9:1, Mark 13:30, Luke 9:26-27, Luke 21:32. There are over 100 imminent ("time is short", "drawn near", "at hand") time statements in the NT. Christians will try to use arguments to get around these 7 explicit ones. I would recommend watching the first video I ever uploaded to my channel called "Seven passages..." I show why Christian arguments to get around those time statements won't work. I was still a Christian and full-preterist when I made that video.

[@uglywatchtower3299]

Acts 17 he said ,acts 31,

[@Iceman-xe7jo]

I have run this whole gamut as well. My conclusion isn’t anything brilliant and has been stated many times but I don’t think anyone knows what’s going on. We are here. Life is a mystery. But the strange part is with so little information we have humans hold tightly to their beliefs.

[@iwilldi]

Christianities biggest problem is, that it is antitheism. Just ask, whether death is good or bad, and all falls apart. If death is good, then christ is evil. If death is bad, then creation is evil.

[@jacksonmiller6679]

@ B Sto... enter the gnostics.

[@iwilldi]

@@jacksonmiller6679 Call Evil the Devil, Dajal, or Jaldabaoth or Ariman. We all know that westen religion is secretly dualistic. The human psyche best socialises with an enemy in mind.

[@jacksonmiller6679]

I don't think the comparison to Noah and Lot is of much help to your argument.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

@Jackson Miller Why? I think it is very relevant. Luke is saying that all the wicked will die immediately at the second coming. This didn't happen to every one in the Roman Empire (oikoumene) and it didn't happen to the Jews trapped in Jerusalem in 70 AD either.

[@bobbychuckles8764]

Paul was talking of the saints gettng their bodies for the 1000 year reign. The judgement is after the short season of deceit after Satan is loosed. This is where we are at now. The judgement of the universe is yet to come. Please research Tartaria. There exist much evidence that Jesus' had a physical kingdom here on earth.

[@jacksonmiller6679]

I kind of think full preterism does answer this - watch "the olivet discourse movie." (Not a believer, btw).

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

paul proclaimed an unknown god! the jewish god was not unknown

[@J-PLeigh8409]

You should rename your channel, The Epicurean Scrip-torturist. Btw Luke's Olivet Discourse 21:24 they will fall by the sword & be led away captive until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Also don't forget about the hyperbole used, as I hope your familiar w/ all the metaphoric & poetic language used. Hyper Preterism leads to fallen away. Christianity has been around for a long time & established by the Son of God so this is silly

[@renny3816]

So because it’s been here a long time, makes it “true?” Also do you have proof, that it was established by “the son of God?” Or are you just saying it, because you read it in a book? Also how can y’all believe in the Trinity, but also say Jesus was fully human? Humans can’t do the things the character named Jesus did in the Bible. Which is it? Was he he fully human, or was he a “God?”

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@renny3816 Im not even sure how to respond or where to start, as by your comment/questions you obviously have an elementary understanding of the Christian faith & scripture. Ill respond but I can tell this wont go anywhere. 1st off you & the rest of the world or majority have no problem believing books on philosophers, history & historical figures taking accounts as true, mostly passed down documented accounts, but when it comes to the Christian faith forget it, although we have & keep finding ancient scrolls, parchments that are historical documents of eye witness accounts & records from first century of the church being formed & active & yes started by Christ, His apostles to early disciples to church fathers to today. Also holy scripture teaches God as Father, Son, Holy Spirit the Godhead but as a nonbeliever I cant even imagine your concern w/ this as its not revealed to you because you dont know Christ by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, which leads to knowing the truth, the complete change & transformation God does w/ your heart when you turn to true faith in the Son of God, His gospel of grace, our testimonies are true & Gods word is proven true & preserved

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@renny3816 & to reply to your last part. There is no way you have read the bible & esp not the New Testament. Christ came as a human person sent by the Father, a body prepared for Him, born of the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit, so yes the Son of God came in the flesh as a propitiation for the sin of many, yours to but you lack faith. While Christ, Who emptied Himself, hence the Father did the works, the miracles through Him by faith. So yes fully human as a sacrifice, fully God & One w/ the Father. If you read at least the New Test you will see. W/out faith in God this world & our existence is pointless & miserable & hopeless. Just ask where our morals come from, if not created why have these morals, in the 10 commandments, written on our hearts, its not an accident & we have the bible but also the book of nature, we see creation, dont believe a lie of macro evolution

[@TorianTammas]

Should it not be the third coming? First time Yeshuah on earth, second time after his "death", third time as he did nothing the second time.

[@escapingchristianity8765]

Partial-preterists and most Dispensationalists have at least 3 comings. The crucifixion, 70 AD (if you're partial preterist) or the rapture (if you are most dispensationalists) then Jesus comes at the end of the world. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@mathanmathai]

Whatever said here is his points according to his interpretations and this is all unnessary as Jesus believe God Almighty through faith and what is faith is to believe in unseen God and Jesus said faith as small as the mustard seed is enough to worship God Almighty. No need to do all this interpretation just believe God Almighty and go on with your life. The most important thing is that Jesus went to the cross and redermed mankind and no need to do unnessary discussions. Just beleive Lord Jesus and God through faith and let this preachers do what they want and as believers we go in faith. Glory to God Allmighty

[@MrAuskiwi101]

Christianity's biggest problem is there is no evidence to back up their bizarre claims.

[@MrAuskiwi101]

@Ελληνας Γραικος Hi. Exactly what I said, there is no evidence to back up Christianitys bizarre claims. No evidence for their god and no evidence for their JC. The Christian myths are just an amalgam of previous myths all the way back to Horus.

[@MrAuskiwi101]

@Ελληνας Γραικος lol don't be silly. Evidence is evidence eg evidence for a gods existence, any god lol

[@MrAuskiwi101]

@Ελληνας Γραικος Hi. Again you are being silly " old man with whit hair and a beard to show up" what? lol. My original statement stands. There is no evidence to back up Christianity's bizarre claims. No god, no JC, no evidence of claims. If you're going to refute that, lets see your evidence. 'What sort of evidence you will cry' Evidence that convinces you will do. Thanks

[@MrAuskiwi101]

@Ελληνας Γραικος "for you to believe that there is a God maybe you want to see and old man with a beard sitting on clouds and lightings around him" again you are just being silly and beginning to waste my time with it.

[@MrAuskiwi101]

@Ελληνας Γραικος How about you tell me want evidence makes you believe if you do.