Why The CRF250L Is BETTER Than The All New CRF450L..

[@Kodiak660]

Love this kind of content. You do it very well.

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you I really appreciate that!

[@jackh3522]

O'Rourke got his patties in a bunch, sorry but people wanted legit dual sport not street legal dirt bike, wr or 450x can easily be made street legal, I not going to change oil every 2 weeks and do monthly valve cks, cuts into ride time

[@laprepper]

@@jackh3522 easily made street legal in every state except California where they require the emissions, ie the bike has to be designed for on-street use from the beginning

[@RKmndo]

@Bill Madd The DR-Z400S is around the weight of the CRF250L. The close-ratio 5spd is its major downfall, but aftermarket gearsets are available now. The carb isn't a dealbreaker for somebody like me. The DR-Z400S can also be shaved in weight and built to around 60WHP. The CRF450L should have been built with the CRF450X's enduro engine, not the R's MX engine. OR, Honda should have designed a long-interval 450 engine that could easily be built from mild to wild. The 450L also doesn't have passenger pegs. Even the DR-Z400S has passenger pegs. $10K and I can't even use it around town with a passenger, while I'm cringing about adding more mileage to it the whole time? I know it sounds like whining, but c'mon. I'm no marketing specialist or engineer, but these should be pretty commonsense things for a 450 dualsport. They already make a 450 race enduro, and even the 250L has passenger pegs. Even the Grom has passenger pegs.

[@OhioGuy82]

I had purchased my Rally and 6 weeks later the 450 was on the showroom. I was a little perturbed until I dug and found the service interval on the 450. I’d still like to ride the 450, but as for owning, not so much. Glad I have the 250.

[@AdventureDaily]

I love the look of the Rally I think you made the right choice depending on your riding style!

[@snupermoto723]

so true, DRZ 450please, 6 spd, FI, 45 hp, low maintenance. mmmmmmmm dreamin

[@AdventureDaily]

Now that would be something! We can only hope.

[@troybolton4055]

Build your own. 434 bigbore with an FCR will get you 45 hp ACT wide ratio transmission with the the additional power of the BB will stop you from trying to shift to 6th. A well setup FCR is as close to FI as any motorcycle carburetor ever got. If you still want FI that has also been done. The LTZ400 is FI and basically the same core engine as the DRZ. See Thumpertalk.com for additional details.

[@sciencemilitia1853]

@@troybolton4055 Agreed on the FCR. They work just as well as EFI in every way.

[@viralvidz4u257]

i hope!! one day!! i think the best bike would be a drz400 6 spd fuel injection BUT! weigh @ 250lbs ABS that can be switched off when you hit offroad that would be the best bike in my opinion

[@E2Moto]

6th gear is all I could wish for my DRZ, and the carb can stay.

[@danielrynard2402]

The maintenance piece alone is a key selling point

[@deanmechanical]

I have the 450L and so far, LOVE IT! It eats tires for breakfast! Wheelies are so much fun. I've gone from street bike to dirt bike and even owned 4 brand new Harley's, my last was totaled last summer. I'm going to be 56 years old and this is one of the funniest bikes EVER!

[@noahdupont8440]

I remember when I took a 200x motor out of a three wheeler and put it on a Yz 250 frame.Everything came out perfect and it was fast.Hondas use to be affordable for the regular rider.I Sincerely hope the 250s don’t go up in price

[@saltydawg5913]

Thank you, finally a review that addresses the maintenance and cost factors. Well done!

[@imyourhuckleberry357]

Absolutely agreed, maintenance is a huge deal I would say with most dual sporters. Most don't want to change oil every 10 hrs. We want decent power and low maintenance intervals. Kinda like the Suzuki DRZ400s.

[@AdventureDaily]

Exactly! Glad you can understand my views, thank you for watching!

[@ReadyAsHeWillEverBe]

I'm not giving up on the CRF450L, but I will be in 'wait and see' mode for at least 2 years. Honda has the winner, I believe they know it but just need time to react to market forces. Hopefully adjustments will be made in favor of the consumer! The after market is already working on upgrades and mods. Seeing this may nudge Honda in the direction we want. Your commentary is spot on.

[@AdventureDaily]

I agree Glenn! Like I said I can't wait to see how other companies respond, and what changes will be made. Thanks for watching!

[@stavencapp]

How other companies respond? Yamaha and KTM have been doing it for over a decade already in other regions, they just need to do it in the US. Yamaha is a better example as the WR is cheaper than the 450l new, why they don't plate it in the US from factory like they do here is beyond me.

[@nickarpino9309]

Im with you on this. I thought I would run to the dealer when they came out with a 450. Until I realized I already had my favorite bike , the 250L

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you for understanding my point! I was hoping for a more refined 250L with 200 more cc's.

[@astromann7449]

Honda needs a 350 again.

[@adamumar1984]

Exactly the type of video I need to see. I'm in a mental struggle...450L or 250L? Thank you. I'm about 6'3", and I was concerned I'd look like a clown on a 250L, but after hearing you say that you're 6'4" and it's good...well you made the decision that much easier for me. Much appreciated. I'm not much of a biker at all. I've had my full license for a decade and hardly rode, but I just love the thrill and thought of hopping on a bike and just cruising. I think now that the 450L is more than what I need as a very seldom rider.

[@TheAlcanboy]

Great video! I sincerely wish Honda will make 300cc version of CRF250L while keeping the price tag close to the current model.

[@AdventureDaily]

We can only hope.. Thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!

[@AC-ud7cv]

I have been riding dirtbike for 40-plus years. I have a modified 2013 Honda CRF250L & I love it! Nuff said.

[@AdventureDaily]

Nice I love mine!

[@brianallen8752]

I bought a KLX 250 for $4,300.00 with a bunch of aftermarket add-ons went and look at the CRF 450L and like you just couldn't see spending that money for something with more maintenance and more expensive parts great video

[@danmasterson4128]

Great video! Your assessment of both bikes is accurate. I love my CRF250L for what it is. And it's a truly great little dual sport bike. I love the power of a 450 but if I'm spending that kind of money and putting up with the much higher maintenance, I'm buying a KTM. For pure fun and worry free riding enjoyment I voted (with my dollars) for the CRF250L. Keep up the great work! Love your channel.

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you Dan I'm glad you enjoyed it! The 250L is a great bike people just like to complain.

[@michaeltutnichts-zursache8258]

Well, that's exactly what I was thinking about the CRF450L. I am a proud owner of a 2017 CRF250L ABS (owned the 2014 model before) and I do own two Honda Hornet (599 and 919) as well. I spent 7000 EUR for all those bikes together plus another 1500 EUR for a 1986 Yamaha TY250 Trial bike. That's 2000 EUR less comparing to the 450L, but I got four really genious bikes for that! In Germany, only 25hp would be street legal for the CRF250L, just as much as with the 250. There would be absolutely no reason for me to spend so much money for the 450L. Plus, as mentioned, the service intervalls are just ridiculous if you're into dual purpose bikes. That's what you would expect from a moto cross bike (okay, a 2-stroke Gas Gas needs to be maintenanced every bunch of hours, but hey, that's a competition bike). So...I have to admit that I'm in love with that slow, chubby 250 which is doing exactly what I had expected. 130 kilometers per hour, city traffic, commuting, riding trails and much, much more.

[@AdventureDaily]

I am glad you can see where I am coming from! Sounds like an awesome lineup you have! I was hoping for a more refined 250L with 200 more cc's.

[@MrScoobieman]

I have the 250 L and I love it, I took the 450 for a test ride, so much power and feels much lighter....The price is too heavy though

[@johntheaccountant5594]

Excellent video and some great points. It was a shame Honda couldn't just bolt the 450 engine to the CRF250L chassis.

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you! Glad you see where I am coming from, I think the 300r in the 250L frame would be awesome!

[@Trail_Rides]

Well. I know it’s more expensive but Ktm makes the best street legal dirt bikes. Worth the money.

[@AdventureDaily]

KTM's are awesome. I will definitely in another someday.

[@mxgryan]

Your point about buying 4-5 gently used bikes is super solid. The 450L is nothing new, it's just a street legal 450R or X. We wanted something similar to the 250 with more CC. Maybe we will get it from Kawi this week? Hard to say.

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you for understanding my logic! Hopefully the Green team pulls through for the people👍🏻

[@HJZ75driver]

The 450X is street legal

[@TSOL_in_LOS]

First thing any 250L owner should do is get one of those fancy Seat Concepts seats you got. That factory seat will tear you a new one.....

[@AdventureDaily]

That is definitely a must! Honestly one of the main reasons I love that bike lol.

[@thedirtbikeranch5401]

Yes!!I said the same thing bout the price...they doubled the 2017 model price for a few goodies...lol...I agree 100% on ur thoughts of it...great vid bro...

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you Pat I'm glad you agree!

[@repsol6198]

I agree about the 450L being way overpriced, like you said after taxes and all the other fees they tack on your looking at close to $12,000, ridiculous.

[@clutchitup8565]

i know a guy that paid 18,000$ for a husky 450 sumo

[@bikendrakhulal7314]

We pay $11,000 for the 250l

[@theninja001]

Exactly, this is what I just paid for a new 2017 Africa Twin!

[@sciencemilitia1853]

The CRF450R costs $9300. This bike has the same platform, but a lot of added durability and comes street legal. So it costs $1000 more than a CRF450R. Its built off of a CRF450R. You expected it to cost less than a CRF450R? Think a little harder.

[@AdventureDaily]

Yeah I just can't justify that, then again I don't buy new anything lol.

[@twincitiesrider8103]

Nailed it. To add ADV is getting huge and for those who don't want the big ADV bike, dual sports are the option. The most popular dual sports are all TRAVEL CAPABLE! I put down 1000 miles just getting to where I want to off road, last thing I want is to be doing valve checks and oil changes mid trip. We want dual sport MOTORCYCLES. Not dual sport dirt bikes. I am impressed tho with the 450L in that it still is much more reasonable than most it's enduro competition as far as maintenance, but I'd hate to drop anything worth that much money in the dirt.

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you for understanding my point! Hope to ride together someday!

[@twincitiesrider8103]

Word man, I'm hitting a back road discovery route next year if your up for some distance lol

[@billcotton1551]

I have the 250 Rally ,that I love ,wish it had more hp ,but still a great bike.The 450l ,though probably an awesome bike ,seems to miss the dual sport mark.

[@AdventureDaily]

I love the look of the Rally! Thanks for understanding my point exactly, hope you stick around here on the channel!

[@gbfrederico]

Interesting points. Never considered the price difference nor the maintenance cost of the 250. Good video, my friend!

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you Gabriel! Glad you enjoyed it😁

[@abdulrockman3992]

This is the dude who later bought a 450L and called it his dream bike right?

[@gregmulfort9577]

That's what I thought too!

[@snaxgalore5764]

He got it for cheap

[@thortreslan4509]

Yea and then later turned back to the 250l

[@johnclifford1911]

As others have pointed out, the CRF250L is a trail bike that looks like a dirt bike, the CRF450L is an endure bike that is street legal. Sure, you can keep up on well-groomed trails in the Midwest. Come and ride the West on your 250L and you'll be left behind at the trailhead. The 450L exists for a reason: so that Western riders can legally ride forest roads between the parking lot and a trail head, or to ride the forest roads between trails on a dirt bike, legally. It's for the West, not the Midwest. Not knocking the 250L, but it's 50 lbs heavier with less than half the HP and it simply doesn't have the suspension to ride single track or the whoops at speed. It was meant to be a street legal trail bike for casual riding. I have a CRF230L, a better trail bike than the 250L, but, again, not at all in the same class as the 450L which really is meant to compete with the KTM street legal enduro 4 strokes.

[@AdventureDaily]

Agreed.

[@henryhiggins2021]

Honda CRF250L Rally is the go

[@OgreMoto]

Henry Higgins lol yeah let's make the 250L heavier and give it the same power

[@vincentbaelde-millar670]

@@OgreMoto but now it looks cool as fuck! so being even slower than slow is fine

[@davexs]

Rally is upwards of a 1000 bucks more than the standard 250L.........and all you get is more plastic!!!!!!

[@astromann7449]

Honda already did this in the late 80's. The NX line- overweight plastic piles of sh/t. 125, 250 and 650 if I remember right. Lightweight rallys are for gay boys. Good for nothing.

[@jaymontgomery3330]

dave xs .. you get a bigger gas tank too. 2.7 gal.

[@donparker1823]

Amen, I've got a 2017 CRF 250L Rally. It does everything exactly like you say + it routinely gets 75 MPH.

[@AdventureDaily]

Glad you are enjoying it!

[@DStabs720]

Where I live there are no gently used bikes unless they are basically new. They are either abused or not ridden. I ended up buying a 2020 250L today!

[@biker1581]

absolutely agree, there's no cure for horse power syndrome, not that it's a bad thing but boy, 8k and16k miles between oil and valve adjustment is simply too good to pass on. Yes a little underpowered, but it does the job. A lightly used 250 rally isn't a bad budget option either, a couple of grands on upgrades on suspension, seat and fuel capacity and you can go around the world on it. Looks awesome too.

[@AdventureDaily]

Glad you can see where I'm coming from, the 250L is a great value for money! Always puts a smile on my face too.

[@ripmax333]

What i wished is that honda made upgraded CRF250L. An aluminium frame, better suspension, lighter engine and slightly more power and possible keep the same seat height. Yes it would raise the price a bit but it would be much more worth it. So if Yamaha left the WR250R and maybe upgraded to a wr300r there would be any crf450l , people complained that it was expensive for a 250 but proved to a great dualsport and a proper e adventure bike if needed.

[@AdventureDaily]

Agreed! Glad you can see where I am coming from.

[@chrisdadigger1018]

People need to realize it’s a dual sport. Not a hard core off-roading machine. It is a compromise. You can’t have everything. You pick a bike that fits your needs best. I have a 250l and love it.

[@shockadellick]

@Chris Dadigger I have a CRF250L, CRF250F, and a CRF230F. All street legal. The closest one to a race bike abilities is my 230F, second is my 250F. My 230F has inverted forks, uncorked, relocated foot pegs, and a up graded shock. It has the same reliability as the 250L. The best dual sports are Honda's 230F and 250F. Only one prob...you must do the conversion.

[@curtishegarty500]

Nice review. I love my 250L I didnt know it could go 16000 miles before valve adjustment.

[@AdventureDaily]

It’s a brute!

[@mutilatedjello]

Did my girlfriends 250l valves for the first time at 25,000. Only one was out of spec.

[@MOTOmunchies_420cc]

I bought a 450L.... amazing bike ! .... otd with taxes and fees was a little over $13,000 here in Toronto, Canada.. You get what u pay 4

[@AdventureDaily]

Glad you are enjoying it!

[@BikingBuddies]

What a cracking video and well balanced perspective across both of those bikes. I've got to agree on the price difference though - they are miles apart

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you Paul I appreciate it! Still hoping you make a leap to the dirt side this off season!

[@BikingBuddies]

@@AdventureDaily You never know - I've been toying with the idea.....

[@sonamsherpa3523]

In my country you need to pay $12,000 for CRF250L, I wonder how much it will cost for CRF 450L hmm..

[@erickgaray463]

Sonam Sherpa your whole left arm

[@GiuseppeSimonetti]

What country are you from?

[@moskito5864]

Hey, why not just buy the brand new 450... it ONLY costs the money of 3...THREE... CRF250L :D :D :D something for the rich kids, i stay with my CRF 250 L 2012 and buying the new 2019 CRF 250 L soooooon :) great bike, nice vid!

[@geraldburmeister9637]

Attention deffecit. I get it. We want a red drz with 400-450 cc's fuel injection liquid cooling and a reliable 40ish hp with 5000 mile oil changes and a wing on the tank for about $8000:-). I just bought 18 250la a month ago and I love it. Just a little more highway touring power would be fantastic!

[@AdventureDaily]

You "red" my mind! We can only hope one of the four will answer our prayers someday..

[@mcragosta]

i agree that the price is a bit too high, but I could deal with that. What will stop me from purchasing one is the service interval. Engine rebuild at 20k miles? If I want performance, I might as well get a Beta. If I want reliability and loooong service intervals, then we're stuck with the Drz or WRR. My last Honda (Africa Twin) has been a bit of a disappointment in terms of reliability and build quality anyway.

[@AdventureDaily]

Exactly where I am coming from!I was hoping for a refined 250L with 200 more cc's, that would have been ideal for me but I don't think we will be seeing something like that for awhile. Thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!

[@wjb111]

Great channel, great video!! I agree the 250L seems so much more practical and doesn’t break the bank. Loving my 2017CRF 250L. Unfortunately it’s getting a bit on the cold side here in Michigan. 😤

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you I appreciate it! Glad you agree. Also they make heated gear😁

[@MM-ig1iv]

Then came the 300L. I believe that's what I'll go with. As long as I can find one soon and get a good rate.

[@carlosdanger2586]

Honda should have done whatever they could to get that down to around 8 Grand. For that kind of money I would get a KTM 300 EXC and put turn signals on it.

[@larryj8924]

If I could buy the 450L for 8K, would pick one up today. After a couple years maybe the actual selling price may be discounted a little if they give the dealers enough supply.

[@AdventureDaily]

I agree Carlos!

[@troybolton4055]

The 250L is an old school style dual sport. You can riding 50k miles with basic maintenance and still ride in the dirt. The 450L is a plated dirt bike. It's far superior to the 250L in that regard. It's not a street bike however. This not going to last cruising the interstate for thousands of miles. What truly makes the 450L perhaps not the "best" choice are the offerings from Europe. The Beta and Austrian twins are superior dirt bikes. The Beta has the advantage over all of them due to being able to come less restricted from the factory. All that said the 450L is an important bike. It signals a change in Japanese thinking. A WR450R or KLX450L are far more likely now than they were last year.

[@AdventureDaily]

I agree! Glad we are on the same page, thanks for watching Troy!

[@alanjohnson2528]

what i wanted was a cfr250l with 450cc engine with same maintenance schedules with 40hp at about $7500-$8000

[@laprepper]

10K is an ungodly amount of money for a dirt bike. even a 400, even a new honda.

[@AdventureDaily]

For sure!

[@danielschurr6817]

Good thing its not a dirt bike, its the first japanese made 450 dual sport. Getting a 450 race motor to pass emisions is the reason why its 10k but you can get them new for $7500. For most of us riders a 250L wont cut it

[@laprepper]

@@danielschurr6817 yeah 250l is just a little underpowered on the freeway and if you're going up some crazy terrain but for probably 80 to 85% of what most ppl are going to ride I think it works very well. To be perfectly honest I really think if you absolutely want to offer and capability a dirt bikes the way to go, it just sucks that you can't always ride them on fire trails especially in California where they want you to have an on highway vehicle

[@mattingray5651]

Besides the price of the 450L (double), you forgot to mention that the 450L has a sky high seat height. For 6 feet guy like yourself, probably never occur to you, but for me with 30-ish inseam. The 250L is already at my limit, I need to touch the ground with at least one leg (tiptoeing).

[@Premises187]

Great video. We get seriously screwed in the EU with the 25hp version 😂

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you! And yes you really did.. That's just wrong lol.

[@vincentbaelde-millar670]

I'm pretty appalled by the weight of the CRF250L, my ancient KLR250 is something like 20Kg lighter and also carries its weight low, even with an 11L steel fuel that actually gives you enough fuel range to go on a decent ride without stopping for fuel.

[@AdventureDaily]

It's a pig that's for sure. It's ultimately a street bike engine.

[@brianrichard1768]

Yup. I said the same thing. 450l is nice EXCEPT for Price, maintenance and weight. Honda , why can't you take the new crf250f and add decent suspension ,signals/headlight and keep the weight under 250lb? Monster power is not as important to me as good suspension in a lighter bike with traditional honda reliability. Am I alone in this thinking?

[@AdventureDaily]

Exactly! Hopefully we can get what we want someday.. Im the meantime though I might just have to plate a dirt bike.

[@veiledallegory]

Soooo.... everyone wants a Japanese bike that competes with KTM but doesn’t want to pay $1000 less than the KTM??? I’m lost here! This video is a little old but I saw a 450 L today for $8479 brand new on Cycletrader at a local dealer.

[@GiuseppeSimonetti]

No, everyone wants a CRF450L. Lol They want a 450cc version of a 250L because the 250 is too small and underpowered for most riders. People don't want a European bike, they want a 450cc japanese dual sport

[@พี่โบ๋-ฌ1ล]

I agree with you. $12000 are too expensive. I mean, in Thailand the CRF300l costs only $5000, so 450rl should cost around $8000 - $9000.

[@พี่โบ๋-ฌ1ล]

By the way, according to CRF450RL it is the cheapest Dual Sport 450cc. Compared to the KTM and Husqvarna that cost more than $ 20000 in Thailand.

[@mjfox1190]

Yep. I had reached the same conclusion. Great content, man. Keep em coming!😉

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you James glad we can both agree!

[@allans7281]

Great video!! Do u like the 250 rally for 50/50 st and offroad riding? I like the looks of it. Happy rid’n!!

[@dublinbikereire]

Get a 450 x 👌🏻

[@AdventureDaily]

I'd love one!

[@muddybadgers5205]

Great video. Makes it easier to choose the 250 over the 450

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you! All depends on what type of riding you plan on doing.

[@jamestylerhagen1624]

I think you slightly miss the point here. You can’t just plate a dirtbike. In NC, there are tons of legal loopholes, and if they find out, they will possibly take your tags anyways. This bike is along the lines of husky, ktm, and beta. It’s a street legal plated birtbike which you stated, however, i dont have to worry about the tags being taken depending on the state. Yeah its a little pricey, but so are the other bikes of this exact type.

[@jamestylerhagen1624]

I personally wanted honda to make a street legal dirtbike and not a faster 250l. I own a 250L and it wasnt for me because I wanted more offroad/mmx capability and the 250L was a pain trying to get off the ground with its weight. A 450L dual sport wouldve been no different, and so, now, im glad I have a better option for strictly offroading with the occasional commute to school.

[@AdventureDaily]

I'm afraid not, buy a KTM or Husky than.. Still plenty of options that we already had, my point is that 90% of us wanted a 450cc dual sport not an Enduro.

[@25gwolfable]

I couldn't agree more of what you said if the bike was 6 to 7 grand I would buy it myself

[@FoodiePhil]

Is that toolbox and bike stand harbor freight? Great Content bro.

[@motoemnk3839]

Solid Bike, Had about 14000km on Mine and never let me down

[@Durangedkitten]

450l is cool until you factor maintenance really that’s the deal breaker for me. I’m happy with my 250l it has a tested refined reliable engine that gets me to work and gets me through the trails and I don’t need to worry about oil changes after every ride. For 25 hp you sacrifice a lot of time money and reliability it’s not a dual sport it’s a dirt bike with a plate.

[@AdventureDaily]

Definitely Will I am glad you can see where I am coming from, the 250L is a great bike and has a great value for money.

[@hondavfr7559]

474/5000 I think the same as you. The price is unacceptable for this bike even if higher quality parts are installed. I see the vehicle at a maximum of $ 8,000. I continue my CRF 250L. The performance is almost the same and sufficient for me. The price will certainly fall because other manufacturers bring just light Enduros to the 7000€ as the new Fantic Caballero 500 with 49 HP. Do not know what Honda has ridden in the pricing. Best regards from Germany

[@AdventureDaily]

Glad we are on the same page, thanks for watching and I hope you stick around here on the channel!

[@roykaplan3316]

So not almost the same performance. Sufficient for you is good.

[@joshram8885]

Ahhh everyone is mad or glad. Truth is people who know Honda know they can do better for less. Xr600r,xr650l,xr400,xr650r. All great bikes that are relatively bullet proof. 60,000 miles on some with just some valve adjustments and oil changes. Same with suzuki or kawi. They did it then why, not now? Do you really think after all this time and money we could get something that racks on miles like a 250l but pulls like a 450? We know that hondas 450r lineup is not known for longevity. Just couse u update the piston and lower compression aint going to help. They just wanted to use what they had laying around. No innovation. No extra fluff or real advancements that would make others go, aaahhh now thats the way to do it! That's why we complain. Honda is supposed to set a bar not just get next to it. Oh well.maybe its the push that suzuki, kawi, and Yamaha need?

[@boomer8393]

You're right - CRF450L is 'way' overpriced.

[@AdventureDaily]

Glad someone else can agree!

[@RonaldJeremy69]

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO VERY INFORMINTAVE

[@nostalgicbaainaar9751]

I'd still take the 450. There is no substitute for decent power. Also I've heard that Honda engineers have told journos at press launches that using fully synthetic oil will allow you to more than double the distance between oil changes. That's off the record of course.

[@AdventureDaily]

I'd love to just can't justify that process tag. I can plate a mint wr450f for $3k, I'll put my money elsewhere.

[@MotoCampAdv]

wr250r is the best still

[@AdventureDaily]

Agreed! I don't understand why they discontinued it..

[@MotoCampAdv]

@@AdventureDaily they didn't discontinue it that was a b.s. rumor

[@MotoCampAdv]

@@AdventureDaily you can 2018 and 2019 wr250r as we speak .

[@AdventureDaily]

Really? Dang you are right! Thanks for making my day!

[@jmo2752]

Good points well made in this video. The problem is, if Honda had simply made a larger capacity 250L style bike, it would immediately be compared with the street-legal 'competition' 450s out there with regard to weight, and power and suspension quality etc. so they would have an uphill struggle trying to sell it (or at least in magazine 'shoot-out' tests) with what else is currently available - even if such a bike ought to at least have a substantial price advantage over the higher specification European enduro options on the market. But the real issue is that Honda don't have a 450cc single cylinder engine that has the low-maintenance characteristics of the 250L engine (which is shared in a range of street orientated models too). Developing a '450' for such a small niche model would not be economically viable - no one is going to want a 450cc thumper in a street bike when Honda already has the CB500 (471cc) twin for those style/s of bike. The 450cc capacity was only ever a [off-road] racing category anyway - the previous generation bikes such as the XR400R and DRZ400 became softer 'dual-sports' once the higher performance 450cc class evolved - much as the XR600 did a generation before... Hopefully this helps to illustrate why Honda really had no choice but to offer an existing 'competition' engine (their CRF450X) in a 50-state compliant package.

[@mxrider2strokebraaap54]

Great video! The European crf model killed me🤣

[@AdventureDaily]

Haha thank you mate!

[@maxwellrundle1351]

Great video man great view cant wait for more man keep them coming

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you man! Glad to have you on the channel.

[@wolfman175]

Couldn't agree with you more. Same/similar category, but very different bikes. Plan on checking out your channel, I like your delivery. On an unrelated note, which lift is that and how do you like it? Thanks!

[@AdventureDaily]

Glad you see where I am coming from, the lift is from Harbor Freight and it has changed my life lol, such a great lift for the money and makes working on things so much more enjoyable, I actually made a full video about it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/eojJiGiMqpWfgqs

[@pepperspray4144]

This is a great way to compare what the buck will buy excellent reviews.

[@rayval123]

So do you take any of this content back!!??? Lol. You know, now that you have one. I'm totally just playing. I got the 450l, its awesome!!!

[@AdventureDaily]

Yes and no, most of what I said still stands true! For the money the 250L is awesome. Even with the added power and suspension capabilities the 450L is still a pig.

[@T30-z5w]

Different bikes. Its like comparing apples and oranges. It all depends on your performance priorities for your individual use.

[@AdventureDaily]

It definitely is, but my point is they are marketed in the same class, the 450L is an Enduro bike not a Dual Sport.

[@RoyboyBean]

I owned a crf250l for a year and sold it, for around town and gravel roads it’s fine, for dirt riding it was dog, too heavy and sooo underpowered

[@chrisredfield3240]

Maybe the 250L would benefit from the headlight from the 450L on the next model refresh

[@AdventureDaily]

I agree Chris that would definitely be a nice face-lift!

[@CRAZYCAM6.7]

I have a 250l and love it. It been supermoto to duol sport and with the sproket change to a 13 up front and a 42 tooth in the back it workes great, but traveling around to different trails I found that they don't a slick hill. I think that's where the 450l would be a better bike in a hiller area like Tennessee and Kentucky. But that my view on it

[@connor25]

I had the DRZ400E and found it way too heavy, rode one of these in Thailand and it really felt lighter

[@AdventureDaily]

Agreed!

[@spy4544]

Picked up my 2019 CRF450L a month ago. Point A: The Price You're paying the premium price for the premium parts. This bike is tastefully designed, all LED lighting, lithium battery, a slightly detuned and modified motocross engine for better maintenance schedule. Are you riding a dual sport 1200 miles to the next state? Absolutely not. Niether are you riding on the 250L. They're saw-horses not lazy boy recliners. Point B: Maintenance 600 miles for an oil change, 1800 for a valve clearance check. Yeah, those numbers look small, but look at it this way, the CRF450L is not in the same classification as the CRF250L. The 450L is part of the performance lineup, more closely related to the brothers CRF450X and R versus the distant cousin the CRF250L. In fact, the 450L and the 250L are not even produced at the same factory. ANYWAY, everyone knows that OEM recommended intervals are very early. Especially when they come with warranties. If you're riding around at a decent pace versus full throttle, bottoming out suspension, hill climbing, rev-limiting, hard racing and high stress load on the engine it's not going to need that maintenance as often. For example, I also have a '16 CRF250X, with nearly 900 km on her of trail riding. Never checked the valves, only ever changed the oil once due to drowning it in a river next to immediately after buying it (3rd hour on it) Guess what? I don't rag the bike out, gentle and now the oil is dirty to the point where I deem it time to change. The 450L is a dirtbike with tags as AD said. It takes a quart of oil. That's one tiny jug, a filter, and a few bolts, done in 10 minutes. A valve clearance check is pulling the valve cover off, slipping a feeler gauge between the cam and the valve. If it's in spec, she's fine button it up and keep going. If it needs an adjustment? Few bolts, move the cam, replace the required valve spacer, and button it up. If you can't do that to your bike, you shouldn't own one. They're by nature high maintenance machines. A huge difference is the type of riding done on these bikes as well. The 250L is a hit up the trails to the campsite and great for light trail riding bike. Hence why Honda decided to put the engine from the CBR250 into it versus the engine from the CRF performance lineup. The 450L is a thorough-bred trail blazer with race components. Hence why it received a performance engine out of the CRF450R. Besides, it's a Honda. Their engines are hilariously bulletproof and reliable. Push the oil change intervals if you want, she'll be fine. Cons: A. Honda where are the handguards dude. B. Hard plastic skid plate? Weird flex but ok. C. The seat is horrible during break-in. D. Highbeam is cute. E. No fuel gauge again. F. Locked ECU to shut the hippies up.

[@AdventureDaily]

Awesome write-up SPY thank you for the comment! I agree and glad you can still see where I am coming from.

[@MrHqyang]

Dont talk about how Fast a horse goes when you are talking to Donkeys, They will be similarly Happy riding Yamaha XT250

[@derrick.outdoors]

As always, great content.

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you Derrick!

[@rcbutler5311]

This was an eye opener. Thank you.

[@controlledfreakr]

Nice bike. I’ve rode both. I prefer the 450. Each to their own I suppose. Different strokes for different folks.

[@jap338kx]

Comparing the two is not even fair. The 250 is a dual sport and the 450 is a dirt bike that happens to be street legal

[@AdventureDaily]

Agreed. That's my whole point I just wish Honda would have marketed them that way.

[@j.r.arnolli7494]

Bike's are so cheap in the US, in the Netherlands, a CRF450RX starts at $14890!!!

[@PaulGuy]

The 450L is built to compete with KTMs and Husqvarnas, NOT the DRZ. While lots of us would have loved a DRZ competitor, they didn't give us that. That doesn't make it a bad bike, it's just not the bike people seemed to have wanted.

[@AdventureDaily]

Exactly my point👍🏻

[@danielschurr6817]

You can get 450L’s 10200 out the door. For us who want to spend the money the 450L is far better than the 250L. I would get so bored on a 250L its way to little power but theres a bike for everybody!

[@bear1568]

Good job. I love my CRF250L even more!

[@AdventureDaily]

Thank you! I love my 250 it always puts a smile on my face.

[@nachozombiekilla481]

10+thousand bucks is simply ridiculous for most of us who actually plan to run it through dirt, mud, rain, sticks, rocks, etc.

[@AdventureDaily]

I agree! So many better ways to spend your money.

[@jasonrapa7298]

Man I can't believe all that shit you are talking about the 450. You must be kidding me really the price thats what you are complaining about? I'M KIDDING BRO YOU ARE TOTALLY right the price is way out of range. So what are you getting???? Can't wait to see it. Keep up the hard work and keep the videos coming. Love this shit man. 👍🏼👍🏼👊😲😁

[@AdventureDaily]

You got me for a minute😂 I will be announcing it next week hopefully! Thank you for your support I always look forward to your comments!

[@Jmuney22Trike]

the only complaint is price,,,,,,,,also i believe your wrong about the service intervals as most people are. i called a dealer and they said it was completly different than a 450x

[@AdventureDaily]

Service intervals came straight from Honda. It's a great bike just not what most of us were wanting.

[@calcrappie8507]

I bought a new 2019 KLX 250 Camo. Looks sharp. I must say that your CRF 250L is a winner in the looks department as well. Like the red trim around the engine. There is no way I would spend over 10K for the 450L. I'm not in it to race. I just want to have a dependable, economical and fun bike for exploring.

[@GiuseppeSimonetti]

I like the way the camo KLX250 looks.

[@daryllmroberts7958]

i cant stand the new camo kawi color,,,either green,,,or red,,,,i sold mine,,bought a 18 crf-250l

[@GiuseppeSimonetti]

@@daryllmroberts7958 I like the camo, if you dont like it you dont have to buy it. A lot of people like the camo ones they're pretty nice, its something different. Personally the KLR they should have released in classic woodland camo.

[@toddkurtz7635]

Honda may call for valve checks at 1800 miles but nobody is going to do that. My guess is it will go many, many thousands of miles without moving. Just like my KTM 500excf. The 450l will probably also go 40000 miles without a rebuild, regardless of what Honda recommends.

[@AdventureDaily]

I agree with that, thank you for watching!

[@PennsylvaniaDualSport]

I’m about to piss a lot of people off on my Pennsylvania Dual Sport FB page by sharing this video lol. Great points! Fellow 250L owner here!

[@yalvar]

hey guys, what do you think about the Husky 701, Is it low maintenance? what about cost of service/parts and reliability?

[@AdventureDaily]

The 701 is a great bike! I personally would never own one but if you keep up on the maintenance it should treat you well.

[@AceMBP]

The 700 mile oil change interval is deal breaker for me.

[@AdventureDaily]

Yeah it is definitely a little much.

[@baranzadeoglu7203]

Recommended oil change for 250L is 4000 km (3200 miles in non-sense). At least in the European models, it is.

[@AdventureDaily]

You Euro guys get screwed over a lot lol, must have a lot of restrictions over there!

[@baranzadeoglu7203]

I don't think European and American crf 250l different in any way but mandatory abs

[@larryj8924]

Just looked up 4000 km = 2485.5 miles.

[@baranzadeoglu7203]

I realised that there are some inconsistencies between manuals in different regions. Probably US version states 12.000 kms so you shouldn't worry

[@PBstx1100]

I hear what you are saying but it is just a little confusing. You want the high performance 450 but not willing to pay the price for the technology it takes to make it what it is. The 450l is the next level. If you want what you already have just with more power then get a dr650. There is a reason those types of bikes are fading out. A small number of people want them. Honda made a bike for a market that wants a dirt bike with a tag on it not another boring dual sport.

[@controlledfreakr]

Nice video🤜🏾💯

[@likestobike1111]

The 250L ISN’T better than the 450L, I call BS !! The 250L is like a safe with wheels, only it won’t store your valuables.

[@AdventureDaily]

They both have their pros and cons but for most people the 250L is plenty!

[@likestobike1111]

@@AdventureDaily I bought the 250L and sold it, switched to a street legal 450X, which is around 70#s lighter and has 25 or more HP. Haven't regretted the change.

[@AdventureDaily]

Nice that’s awesome!