Why the electric busses are failing in Oslo

[@alanp2330]

Hey Bjorn, a Brit living in North Eastern China here! We have a huge number of domestic electric buses in this city, some now pushing a decade old, and it's really cold in the winter. No surprise they work just fine! People will believe whatever nonsense they want to believe! Keep up the good work and great to see you enjoying time in Asia with your family!

[@AudunDragland]

The buses in Hammefest all have fossile fuel heaters for the coldest days. Oslo is retrofitting biodiesel fuel heaters in their buses, but does not expect to be finished with all buses until march 2025. Analysis points towards an excessive amount of battery power (up to 50%) being used for heating on the really cold days as the buses of course very frequently opens the doors, letting the heat out. Sources: Aftenposten, Teknisk ukeblad

[@gokkiyoutube]

Wait... heat pumps aren't being used?

[@AudunDragland]

@gokkiyoutube Nope. Buses were ordered without, and retrofitting was difficult / impossible. Further, on really cold days (-20c) or more heatpumps aren't that effective. Retrofitted biodiesel burners works very well in those temperatures, and is suggested to be used only in extreme temperatures. Oslo has in reality only 3 months per year where temperatures regularily dips below -10c

[@uksomo]

In finland at the Helsinki area electric busses have just webasto style diesel heaters, and then a lot of them are articulated BYD and someone's master idea has been that only pulling / pushing axel is ​rear one so they are always sideways ones there's any slippery condition. @@gokkiyoutube

[@LonglingEriksen]

That funny car with the disc on the roof is from the NRK TV License control. Most likely a direct TV transmitter.

[@-tsvk-]

My understanding is that the problem with some RWD articulated electric buses is that they are driven by the rear-most axle, the one after the articulation joint. So the end result is basically the effect of having a motor-driven "trailer" that pushes the truck that is attached onto the front of it, exerting the pushing force through the articulation joint. This results in much jack-knifing in slippery conditions, where the back-most part of the bus pushes the bus into a twist.

[@tacosalaten3677]

this kind of configuration is most efficent for countries that does not get snow. at least now there are more european brands that come with driving unit on the rear most axle and the middle axle. MAN buses that Oslo have been getting have this 4WD system. unsure about mercedes but i know Volvo has this option aswell.

[@moestrei]

Highland at Christmas. The bus winter issues are like a lot of things EV at the moment: a) Blown out of proportion by the fossil media and b) totally avoidable in the first place. Off topic: Why are on some trucks you overtake the right rear door on the container is open?

[@philw4625]

Presumably to show that they are empty, to deter break ins? We see the same in the UK - empty lorries leave their doors open so no-one tries to break in.

[@TuukkaEmil]

Busdrivers must be replaced with legendary finnish rallydrivers. 😂

[@wschnitzler]

heat?

[@vladzis]

That "disc" is a dish for live TV streaming, and it's a TV crew van

[@rashpalbhati]

Find it hard to believe bus contract didn't include proper winter tyres 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@timscott3027]

We have ev buses and they're great so far. The heating does use a lot of power, and we haven't got pre heating set up probably for a similar reason with the chargers but im not sure. I haven't driven them through heavy snow yet, but my experience with diesel buses is that they are better than most cars as they have 4 wheels on thr rear axel with a lot of grip.

[@Nord_Mann]

Bjørn, in Bodø, the electric buses running around the city no longer stops going up Bratten during winter because they can’t start uphill as the older buses. Not sure what tires they use

[@emceh]

The van had mobile satellite dish - mostly used by TV crews :)

[@bfelker4144]

automatic chains we have them on all sorts of heavy trucks and buses and work pretty well

[@camsmith4047]

In Malaysia atm, same thing with the driving, slow take off, right lane hoggers and massive speed difference b/w slowest and fastest vehicles on the road

[@PierreVilleneuve88]

Not sure you should shout any political statement, even more so if it is related to USA. This is a polarizing topic and might not help your channel. Cheers Bjorn!

[@bjornnyland]

Did I talk about politics?

[@PierreVilleneuve88]

@bjornnyland well, I was referring to the 'Elon for president' claim at the beginning. Thanks for replying by the way. You are a great content creator and your work is much appreciated 👍

[@zedski]

S3XY buttons don't work 100% with the wipers anymore, because the car tries to put them on auto every time autopilot is engaged. Sometimes it takes a few ms too long for the commander to switch them back off again and a wipe goes off.

[@ovi9610]

Wishing a more precise information about Oslo EV buses winter problem. Maybe some points to improve: don't buy articulated buses or change the crazy regulations driver licence. All buses should be all wheel drive (security first). Preheating air ? Crazy, better to preheat liquid for the battery.

[@drfisheye]

The passengers typically sit in (warm) air, not in liquid.

[@jsjs6751]

Part of the range lost in wintertime is due to excessive temperature inside the car. Should be around 15-18 °C. That will fit your outdoor clothing that you should always wear in case of an emergency or crash.

[@erwingiger9735]

28:18 why do some trucks have opened one door at the back?

[@ioniqKnechter]

@erwingiger9735 Machen die Trucker in Europa auch. So wird den Kontrollorganen zb. BALM oder Polizei angezeigt das der LKW leer ist. In Europa dürfen keine Türen geöffnet sein während der Fahrt. Dann ist der LKW unzulässig bereit. Deshalb machen es nur LKW die Schüttgüter transportieren. Dort wird dann einen kleine Klappe geöffnet, nicht die ganze Tür.

[@OutsideGamer99]

To show the container is empty, and therefore prevent thieves from opening them up forcefully and damage the locking mechanism.

[@jeffsaxe3863]

Interesting about the Oslo buses and their overnight preheating! I bought a pretty cheap, boring level 2 charger for my garage, and it certainly works, but I did notice that when my car finishes charging but is still plugged in, it gets “dropped” by the EVSE and no longer thinks it has juice available. I didn’t realize it was a protocol issue, dang! Fortunately our climate is not that cold, so I don’t depend on the preheat-while-still-plugged-in function, but it’s slightly irritating to know I could have a better experience.

[@georgepelton5645]

IIRC, in Boston they purchased articulated buses with only rear axle drive many years ago (20?). They all jackknifed in the streets in the snow. Boston pulled all artics out of service on snow days after that. Oslo needs to do the same. Perhaps sell their artics to a warmer location, and replace with standard 12 meter buses.

[@bernardrr]

Same thing happened in Ottawa, maybe 30 years ago. They purchased two types of articulated buses, one mid-motor, one rear-motor. The rear-motor buses jacknifed during heavy snow storms.

[@decimal1815]

Lots of electric buses being introduced in UK cities now so will be interesting to compare. Low temperatures will not be so much of a problem at least and some routes will use bio diesel for a while longer.

[@MrAdopado]

"being introduced in UK cities" ... well, yes, but there have been electric buses in UK for a few years now so we would know if was going to be an issue. There are even inter-city buses in Scotland which have been through a few winters (ember.to) e.g. Edinburgh - Perth - Dundee - Aberdeen.

[@felixklusener5530]

What can they do? First they could either get some better charging equipment or send someone to the depot to plug in the busses again after about 20 min of preheating. Second they should give their drivers a training how to handle winter conditions and how to put on the chains. I mean it is in their best interest not to have busses stranded and in the drivers interest not to get tickets from police, right? As far as I know you can get a ticket if you don't put on chains when needed as a driver of a vehicle with a maximum weight above 3.5 t in Norway. Nothing can replace training to avoid busses getting stuck, or even worse things like the bus accident that just happened on E10 near Hadsel.

[@tacosalaten3677]

When i took Truck license last year in Norway i was with a couple of bus drivers aswell in some of the classes where we would learn how to operate in winter and we practiced putting on snowchains on trucks and buses. problem isn't they cant put on snow chains because i see regular buses with snowchains on sometimes. the problems are with the citybuses and articulated citybuses. by eu regulation they seem to be hight restricted so manufacturer have lowered these buses as much as possible and are therefore not enough room to have chains on as it would, A: not be enough room to put them on and B: they wouldn't even fit and result in damageing the bus or snapping the chains. the fix would be different regulation for countries that have snow to allow these buses to able to raise high enough to make room for easy access to put on snowchains

[@timoliver8940]

Could the town you couldn’t remember the name of be Honningsvag? It’s more like a village, but a very beautiful place and the public buses there don’t seem to have many problems getting to North Cape even in the depths of winter.

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@ericvet8b]

Def sort out hardware charging… that glitch should just be a software issue from the CPO. And that steering wheel nag was improved also in Europe/UK a couple of software updates ago during daylight as long as inside camera not blocked and noticed that you are looking ahead and hands “holding” steering wheel”. You can try it by having hand around wheel without actually touching it… it will not nag at all for ages unless you start looking around.

[@geirvinje2556]

The major reason for this is: If you look at the bus, you can't use the snow chains. The wheel arches isn't high enough, and you can't lift up the wheels. So, this isn't a question of "the drivers can't put on snow chains". The snow chains would ruin the bus. And, in Oslo you have a tax on spiked tires. So, the buses don't use them.

[@推倒柏林墙]

I'm just amazed that you're confident enough to drive in a left-hand traffic country... I couldn't even cross the street there

[@SamInSomerset]

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[@timoliver8940]

I live in a country that drives on the left, when I go to Europe or the USA I rent a car with the steering wheel on the left to suit driving in the wrong side of the road, not a problem and I don’t feel unsafe at all - but I do wish that the USA would fix their traffic lights that hang in the sky and put them in the right place to see them…….. and I always get hooted at for not turning right on a red light where it is allowed because it’s alien to me.

[@pigedehekkan]

Last winter it was not only busses that had problems on the snow, a huge lot of private cars as well. That's what you get when the municipality cheap out on removing snow from the roads.

[@richard--s]

Well, get good winter tires and drive accordingly in snow.

[@DOFFENfilms]

It actually not possible to fit chains on the oslo buses. Wheel well does not have enough room😂

[@dixikloos5352]

@bjornnyland will you test the Xiaomi in Thailand? Xpeng sounds interesting, looking forward to that test.

[@Bot.number.69420]

So rwd busses with huge battery adding weight to dragging wheels is bad during icy winter. Who would have known. I guess they also have bad traction control so they spin just one wheel too. Those busses would require really good and soft winter tyres. Oslo making bad purchases making bad rep for EV. Good job.

[@pettero62]

To stay in Norway in wither its not for me to...just arrive from Philippines, Ev start to roll out also ther, but in small numbers. After 8th Tesla a swap it to vw Id7 gtx, its a better car to drive. Only minus is the infotainment system is clumsy and the app its not the best... Happy new year Bjørn enjoy your stay in Thailand.

[@bjornnyland]

Philippines gets v4 supercharger at least. Thailand gets only v3 for some reason.

[@BorteVekk-y1x]

Most busses in Oslo are from Solaris. This winter all the drive wheels have been replaced with dubbed tires. Does not help in snowy conditions, only in icy:)

[@swecreations]

You mean studded tires. And depending on how bad the original winter tires were that can certainly help in snow as well, though I agree studded tires are not better in snow than proper nordic/extreme studless winter tires.

[@StaszekZlodziejaszek]

As far as I can see, Solaris mainly run outside zone 1 and don't cause too many problems. In Oslo itself, I mostly see Chinese designs and they mainly fail to pull away from the bus stops. Honestly, it's ridiculous. My wife has 3km commute to work. Last winter all buses were cancelled 3 times and she was late to work more than 20 times.

[@bjornnyland]

Maybe he's Swedish. Dubbdäck = piggdekk

[@BorteVekk-y1x]

@@bjornnyland🦹🏻‍♂️

[@rjbiker66]

Do the bus companies have enough chargers to allow cabin preheating for buses ready to.start their.shift? ICE buses most likely have all their weight over rear driven wheels. Maybe the EV articulated buses have their batteries on the front part of the articulated bus with little weight over driven wheels. I wonder if RWD EV busses have a limited slip diff?

[@hansfranciscaportier-vulst2629]

Hey Björn, the E for the busdrivers permit is only for the Trailers more than 3,5 tons, so it's hasn't anything to do with the propulsion, even if it's electric or dinausaur juice.

[@bjornnyland]

It has.

[@dxutube]

We have a few Sealions in the UK now.

[@jsjs6751]

It would be interesting to know what type of tires those buses have. Maybe cheap all season tires from some unknown brand?

[@HVM_fi]

What's up with one door open on the (empty?) shipping container trailers?

[@EggertOlafs]

Simple, to prevent extreme heat buildup inside the container.

[@HVM_fi]

@@EggertOlafs I have been told it's for weight station, not need to go if empty. Or something...

[@tacosalaten3677]

A lot of lowfloor city buses does not have room to put on chains. they can't lift the bus high enough to make room because they have been lowered so much to fit the regulation. when i took my truck license test last year, my driving examiner from the Norwegian road athority went on a big angry rant about how horrible these buses were because of the problems with not being able to put on chains. when the buses were being retired like 10 years later the chains would be shiny like they were new. if you see trucks after one winter the chains are rusty. And he wanted all articulated bus drivers to have DE license to operate those buses. the normal buses have enough room to put on chains so they dont have trouble in the winter, its only the citybuses and articulated that has this problem The MAN, Volvo and other european articulated buses have driving axle on both the rear most axle and the middle axle. making them better at moving about in the winter. Also for the DE license it would be maybe 14 extra hours and about 17000kr to expand from D to DE. that's what it was for trucks from C to CE when i took it last year but total cost of both C and CE came at around 100000kr

[@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190]

33:52 What's on the top of this van? Looks like a mega Starlink antenna!!!

[@citedcanvas85]

Dont bus drivers get specific training on driving in winter with the EVs

[@MrAdopado]

They live in Norway ... they know about winter driving ... unfortunately they can't insist that their bus is fitted with better tyres if the bus company wants to avoid the expense.

[@AWildBard]

nice weather! I'm in Korea. It's snowing now. :)

[@robertn2951]

How many EVs are sold in Thailand as a percentage?

[@martij30]

That legislation with the D or DE licenses is so stupid.

[@chinitaantonio]

I Wonder why truckers drive with conteiner door open!? Crazy!!

[@UndefeatedDeity]

Bjorn, when are you going to go see MooDeng with the family?

[@citedcanvas85]

The auto steer function, is it self learning the more you use it? Interested to know

[@torakef]

Unfortunately it isn't. It has a large downloaded knowledge file, what's called an "AI Model". The cars' computer is not powerful enough to do any machine learning in order to modify the file.

[@Luis-xr9ye]

@31:35, than van, is a Ghostbusters van 👻

[@TomekEV]

Can you test NIO Onvo L60?

[@electricvehiclesug256]

thanks boss for this great information

[@gilletphilippe4473]

Did you see that BYD factory in Brasil got shutdown because of the chinese contractor have abused and used the workers as slaves and held salary payment !! That's how BYD is making cheap car's 😮

[@slavko321]

I think you said ok tesla preheat the party so it started pumping up the jam.

[@nixxonnor]

Mht bussene i Oslo som satt fast på flatmark... Det som var rart husker jeg var at det kun var "tilhengeren" som spant. Hjulende på den aller bakerste akslingen, bak leddet i leddbussene. Burde ikke driften i det minste være på bakhjulene (foran leddet)? Da kunne man vel fortsatt kjøre med D-sertifikat?

[@jimmyers4890]

I'm sorry but Elon Musk is showing his true self he wants to be rich and famous he doesn't want to help humanity he wants to help himself. If he wanted to help humanity he would be working to help with mental illness and homelessness and hunger. He proved that he only wants to help himself by buying himself a place in Trump's presidency.

[@hamshackleton]

Oh stop waffling, Bjorn. It's not the EV buses, it's crappy tyres, and crappy drivers!

[@colinbouckaert3450]

Elon Musk is already the president 😂

[@DerBlauzahn]

Yes, the worst thing that could have ever happened.

[@bjornnyland]

He's The Lord.

[@davidwebb4904]

Why is Norway not using hydrogen?

[@altsak840]

Because they understand math, economics and material sciences. Hydrogen is viable only for those who lack the discipline and cognitive skills to study.

[@bjornnyland]

Because hydrogen sucks.

[@georgepelton5645]

IIRC Norway did give hydrogen a good try, with several H2 filling stations available 10-20 years ago. Like Bjørn says “hydrogen sucks,” and this became apparent in Norway, just like it did in California.

[@wtfgogu]

I love your car content but your musk jokes are getting harder and harder to swallow. Not to mention how you're dismissing the work of thousands of people that have actually designed and built the cars.

[@Emerson1]

president musk now, we must not say bad things about the president

[@SamInSomerset]

Yeah, they’re cheesey and crass… pointless

[@Sadenaike1]

Musk is untouchable ?

[@KlausEvenEnevoldsen]

The Tesla board needs to distance Tesla from Musk in order to make Tesla great again. Sales in Europe went down 40% in November compared to same month the year before.

[@jacharyzones]

Is your name Karen by any chance? 😉

[@alexlap662]

Profanity level has risen. Sending data to China.

[@rjbiker66]

36C in Sydney Australia today. Have you got s BYD Shark 6 lined up? I think Australia has a FTA with thailand. Lots of utes sold here come from Thailand. bjorn would fit in perfectly in traffic in australia. Lol

[@tridruankham2657]

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[@miketrebert7788]

Your glib joke about Musk is ignorant and grotesquely insensitive. Any more and I will unsubscribe. M. Has many fans but I and very many others are not mindless fans of his bent behaviour. You are a clever guy but there are obviously limits to your intelligence.

[@buddy4448]

Holy moly. Triggered much? Bye bye...

[@sneakymove]

Bye bye.

[@baalzhamon8491]

Completely agree, the muskrat and the annoying orange is just following putler's lead these days

[@citedcanvas85]

Ok byeeeee

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Love Elon ❤

[@SamInSomerset]

Good to see you driving on the left … the correct side 😂

[@Poebbelmann]

I strongly disagree 😁

[@joseabreu5802]

O frio e aquecimento excessivo sao um problena para os electricos

[@RuffyUzumakii7]

por isso é que muitas empresas na Noruega e Finlândia so conseguem trabalhar com os camiões elétricos no inverno, porque são os únicos a arrancar enquanto os camiões a diesel não pegam com adblue cobgelado a 30minus😅

[@tridrean]

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