Why the EU is About to Impose a Hard Border in Gibraltar

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In a post-Brexit world, Gibraltar has always been a thorny issue, but with a new Labour government and the possible imposition of a hard border with Spain, could Starmer resolve this problem once and for all and avoid yet more Brexit chaos?
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@loneprimate
@loneprimate Ай бұрын
If the British are serious about their sovereignty in these "territories", why don't they make them actual de jure parts of the UK, with MPs in the Commons?
@casperghst42
@casperghst42 Ай бұрын
That will never happen, it would mean that they actually would have influence on the policies of all of the UK.
@clothcapkev2088
@clothcapkev2088 Ай бұрын
Because they are protectorates if the people of gibralter said feck off Britain we would. Where as the Spainish and EU dont give a feck what the Gibraltans want. So much for freedom.
@numptyboy1
@numptyboy1 Ай бұрын
These terrirtories have their own assemblies, no need for anyone to assert anything on them.
@castielkahnwald5314
@castielkahnwald5314 Ай бұрын
@@loneprimate it would have to go to a vote to the people of Gib
@davidty2006
@davidty2006 Ай бұрын
They more of a yesnt. Also they are miles away so most people in mainland britain don't care so they just govern themselves. And also be a military base.
@KelticStingray
@KelticStingray Ай бұрын
The EU isnt impossing anything... its the UKs consequence of its own action. Ffs. British exceptionalism.
@alx9r
@alx9r Ай бұрын
Yup. It’s situations like this that demonstrate how stubborn and impractical British policymaking usually is.
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 Ай бұрын
The EU bureaucratic wants total control of Europe... whether the nation states like it or not...
@themorninsttar
@themorninsttar Ай бұрын
Perfect comment. UK is the lion when someone makes a mistake, but now they are the victim when they play the wrong game.
@pixelboy7654
@pixelboy7654 Ай бұрын
Haha, let's see what you think about British exceptionalism if they make Gibraltar a tax free zone for banking.
@garethhhhh
@garethhhhh Ай бұрын
Spains becoming a failed state, who cares.
@dnel83
@dnel83 Ай бұрын
Got to wonder about the 4% that felt Brexit would be good for them. Hope there is an interview somewhere
@WendidIask
@WendidIask Ай бұрын
@james7133 96% of Gibraltar residents voted to stay. Did you watch the video?
@dnel83
@dnel83 Ай бұрын
2:08 for those with a short attention span
@OrionTails
@OrionTails Ай бұрын
​@james7133people like are the reason why governments treat us like children.
@Kalimdor199Menegroth
@Kalimdor199Menegroth Ай бұрын
@@WendidIask Gibraltar can stay by uniting with Spain. But they don't want that either.
@fearghal10
@fearghal10 Ай бұрын
It was probably just a few temporary residents that were registered to vote there but heading back to Essex when the police stopped looking for them or whatever.
@hibuddy1473
@hibuddy1473 Ай бұрын
TLDR: Spain and the EU aren't imposing anything, Spanish and EU officials tried everything to get a good deal for Gibraltar citizens and right wing UK officials decided that their pride couldn't accept that.
@emabro9
@emabro9 Ай бұрын
I feel this channel is a reform uk supporter
@bobbobby-u3d
@bobbobby-u3d Ай бұрын
And where have you been given that information? As someone who was born and lives in Gibraltar with a British passport, at no point have Spanish officials tried to get any kind of good deal for Gibraltarians... actually the complete opposite how about you come over and see how hard it is for British citizens whenever Spanish police/officials are involved.
@danganbeg7225
@danganbeg7225 Ай бұрын
​@@bobbobby-u3dYou live in Spain, yet you hold a british passport! Bound to bring problems
@TheRandCrews
@TheRandCrews Ай бұрын
@@emabro9you really believe that 😂😂😂
@cainy
@cainy Ай бұрын
Spain resents the UK for using Gibraltar to repair nuclear submarines as they see it as an unjust use of Gibraltar with massive consequences for Spain not England if it goes wrong
@RalphyNoPants
@RalphyNoPants Ай бұрын
"UK Continues to Face Consequences for Its Decisions" would be a better title.
@harrywood6502
@harrywood6502 Ай бұрын
Well this is Gibraltar facing consequences for the UKs decision despite voting nearly completely against it
@willdon.1279
@willdon.1279 Ай бұрын
37% of the actual voters... the train-wreck continues...
@bt3743
@bt3743 Ай бұрын
@@johnny71c Well brexit killed every eurosceptic party so yes it is
@atlasnetwork7855
@atlasnetwork7855 Ай бұрын
It's not really consequences as this was the same crap that the UK and EU had before UK blindly walked into a 42 year screw over called the EU membership. It's just reverting back to how it used to be, except that the way it used to be, there wasn't passports required to travel to the EU anyway, the border thing is a EU thing that the EU imposed itself. It might have been a good idea, except it's a completely pointless border as it lets through migrants. lol.
@joelimbergamo639
@joelimbergamo639 Ай бұрын
​@@johnny71cyes, its doing a fine job. What exactly has the EU done that is objectively bad? Also, which brach of the EU has done that? Why didnt anyone veto it of they thought it was bad?
@TheBiggreenpig
@TheBiggreenpig Ай бұрын
If Gibraltar is part of UK, and UK is removed from the EU, then why the surprised Pikachu face when there is a border between the EU and Gibraltar? This is what Brexit wanted.
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 17 күн бұрын
Because the people of Gibraltar didn't want it. They voted 96% remain. Their needs air more important than brexiteers in England who have never even visited Gibraltar.
@pawelzielinski1398
@pawelzielinski1398 15 күн бұрын
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Then the people of Gibraltar should have a referendum to do their brexit and then apply for EU membership like everyone else.
@Chongo196
@Chongo196 13 күн бұрын
​@@adrianthoroughgood1191yet at the same time, the polls suggest that the Gibraltarians wish to remain British rather than be handed back to Spain. They can't have it both ways.
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 13 күн бұрын
@@Chongo196 nonsense. There is no reason they can't have Spanish immigration officers at the airport while still remaining British in ever other aspect of their government, as stated in the video.
@sebastianbauer4768
@sebastianbauer4768 12 күн бұрын
@@adrianthoroughgood1191you mean having Spanish official on UK soil? Sounds nice, until the first disagreement happens and the Spanish officials can’t do their job because they are "guests" and have no actual jurisdiction.
@wabalaladabdab
@wabalaladabdab Ай бұрын
Solution: Gibraltar joins Spain, N.-Ireland joins Ireland, the independent Scotland joins the EU, and England learns how to be a normal country and not an empire.
@beanbaguk
@beanbaguk Ай бұрын
But the people who live in Gibraltar don't want that.
@baltarbb4969
@baltarbb4969 Ай бұрын
@@beanbaguklohico, pasaba también con los piratas de Isla Tortuga, los britts y sus piratas
@BarryHofland.
@BarryHofland. Ай бұрын
@@beanbaguk They are allowed to go
@nhoyle8609
@nhoyle8609 Ай бұрын
Blah blah blah maybe the Spain should return Ceuta to Morocco
@thisguy976
@thisguy976 Ай бұрын
​@@BarryHofland.They're also allowed to stay. Spain doesn't own Gibraltar whether you like it or not.
@b4ttlemast0r
@b4ttlemast0r Ай бұрын
The politicians trying to decide for them against the declared will of 96% of the actual population of the place is insane. They don't care about the people at all.
@WarpDoomer
@WarpDoomer Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is a British colony and if the UK leaves the colony has to leave too. Those are the rules
@WarpDoomer
@WarpDoomer Ай бұрын
@@TopHat_Crow Not my fault that Gibraltar is a colony. If they want it to stop being a colony they can give it back to Spain.
@triumphanttrump1467
@triumphanttrump1467 Ай бұрын
spain needs gibraltar more than the other way around
@fintonmainz7845
@fintonmainz7845 Ай бұрын
@@triumphanttrump1467 The population of Spain is 1300 times that of Gibraltar but Spain needs Gibraltar more. Just close the border. There's no point negotiating with these people
@MULTIMAN-MUSIC
@MULTIMAN-MUSIC Ай бұрын
@@triumphanttrump1467That’s the best way to demonstrate arrogance and exceptionalism. Spain doesn’t need Gibraltar, the tax heavens surely gives work to a few thousands, but I can assure you the Brits get way more money from all the ilegal gambling and tax evasion.
@mix3k818
@mix3k818 Ай бұрын
Once again a display of why leaving the EU was such a dreadful idea.
@davidshaw2890
@davidshaw2890 Ай бұрын
These arguments still happened when we were in the EU
@user-op8fg3ny3j
@user-op8fg3ny3j Ай бұрын
Yet the farage fans still won't understand
@clivejungle6999
@clivejungle6999 Ай бұрын
The UK economy is bigger than France.
@Kalimdor199Menegroth
@Kalimdor199Menegroth Ай бұрын
@@user-op8fg3ny3j Leaving EU was the best thing ever. And yes, I am a big Farage supporter.
@kb4903
@kb4903 Ай бұрын
@@Kalimdor199Menegrothwhy? What’s been a benefit?
@piquedo9301
@piquedo9301 Ай бұрын
I grew up and lived in Algeciras for over 17 years, just on the opposite side of the bay from Gibraltar. To all those sitting from UK, mainland Spain or elsewhere in Europe saying that El Campo or Spain needs Gibraltar to keep those jobs, I am sorry, but you are wrong. Some background before. When Spain joined the EU in 1986 and the UK forced to open the border between Spain and Gibraltar, GDP per capita between Spain and Gibraltar was somewhat comparable. It was only from the point that Gibraltar had the best from both worlds, access to the largest single global market AND being a tax heaven that it’s GDP per capita skyrocketed to be in the top 5 worldwide. This would have not been possible without being part of the EU and Spain allowing Gibraltar to provide goods and services through its territory. What was the cost of that for the surrounding area? impoverishment. Which company would settle in El Campo, if they could do it in Gibraltar paying a fraction of corporate tax? What about income tax? Regarding smuggling, can you imagine the hundred of tons of smuggled tax free tobacco and other products from Gibraltar to Spain which directly impacted on the development of El Campo? Not a SINGLE wealthy Gibraltarian (or better said, “llanito”) lives in Gibraltar. They all live in luxury areas nearby, such as La Alcaidesa or Sotogrande, making the best out of Spanish public services and overall quality of life. What they do keep in Gibraltar however are their bank accounts. Gibraltar is a virus for the region, which has been taking advantage of it, I have seen it with my own eyes over the years. It is an unhealthy relationship and Spain and the EU allowed this to happen. I sincerely hope there is no deal and there is a hard border. So Gibraltarians have to choose to belong to the EU through co-sovereignty or keep their tax heaven living like an island. As I am not nationalistic, I sincerely hope the latter.
@cleanerben9636
@cleanerben9636 Ай бұрын
I am absolutely in favour of getting rid of tax havens so I agree.
@onlineamiga
@onlineamiga Ай бұрын
So youre complaining about wealthy gibraltarians feeding money into your country by buying nice houses etc? You know they then have to pay taxes for those public services? In the form of IBI, Electric Bills, Water bills etc. 15,000 people cross a day and gain employment in Gibraltar. Thats 15,000 not claiming from Paro or getting involved in drug trarricking. Ask yourself why companies dont want to open up in El Campo. Its not the tax. Its Spanish beurocracy. Trust me i worked with a number of gaming companies in Gibraltar that were very interested in opening up call centres and stuff in Spain especially as the cost of real estate and offices are increidbly expensive in Gib. But were instantly shot down by beurocracy. So instead of blaming the neighbours forSpains sorry state of affairs, perhaps look inwards.
@onlineamiga
@onlineamiga Ай бұрын
@@cleanerben9636 Gibraltar is not a tax haven. I pay social security and tax on my wages there, and corporation tax is payed there as well. It may have been 20 years ago but is far from one now.
@jonayz8655
@jonayz8655 Ай бұрын
@@onlineamiga No, what he says is that those guys became rich exploiting the surrounding area economy. Cant' you read?
@onlineamiga
@onlineamiga Ай бұрын
@@jonayz8655 Yes i can read. All I see is a lot of money going from Gibraltar INTO Spain.. Where is the exploit in that?
@daikucoffee5316
@daikucoffee5316 Ай бұрын
We need a hard border around the British propaganda papers
@jmurray1110
@jmurray1110 Ай бұрын
Trade restrictions are on the sun
@mutteringmale
@mutteringmale Ай бұрын
How about a hard border around England? Keep those welfare scots and irish out also.
@RUTHLESSambition5
@RUTHLESSambition5 Ай бұрын
Spain is a joke. Your so called ally is occupying your land😂😂😂
@CuboidCheese
@CuboidCheese Ай бұрын
our tabloids are deserving of things i can't say on youtube
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund Ай бұрын
As long as you remember to include Teh Grauniad and The “Independent”!
@ZapOKill
@ZapOKill Ай бұрын
Dear Britain, you can't have the cake and eat it too. Best regards EU
@edipopplinger2078
@edipopplinger2078 Ай бұрын
Yes, out is out!
@ant647448336
@ant647448336 Ай бұрын
I live in Gibraltar, so here's my TL;DR - HM Govt of Gibraltar released a technical notice earlier this week stating that the EU's version of ETIAS will likely be coming into effect in November which also means that those with red ID cards (permanent residents) would also have their biometric info taken. There's been some panic, but mostly carrying on as normal. When the govts of Spain (EU), UK and Gibraltar keep saying that they're within touching distance of a deal, it's bollocks. We've been hearing that for the last 2 years. We're getting fed up and want them to announce whether we're getting a deal or not. It's just more of the same uncertainty that we've become accustomed to.
@mikel9138
@mikel9138 Ай бұрын
Just become part of spain already
@ant647448336
@ant647448336 Ай бұрын
@@mikel9138 1967 and 2002 referendums show that people don't want to go down that road. Read up on Gibraltar's treatment by Spain during the Franco years and you'll understand.
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@ant647448336 Do you live there, or are you just whining on behalf of someone who does live here?
@shiningvideo
@shiningvideo Ай бұрын
@@mikel9138 Spain is a mess; always has been! The inhabitants of Gibraltar would sensibly rather be British.
@FTN_Ale
@FTN_Ale Ай бұрын
@@ant647448336 after every spanish left since you conquered that land it makes sense that the english that arrived don't want to join spain
@zorrozorro9681
@zorrozorro9681 Ай бұрын
England does not want Gibraltar to align on TAX with Spain, because the main income source in Gibraltar is TAX DUMPING ?? and Spain is not going to tolerate that, now that they have the upper hand ... How can a small enclave with NO resources can have such a high GDP ?? Money laundry ?? TAX EVASION ?? and most of those Tax evaders live around Marbella ( SPAIN ) but are Gibraltar Tax residents ??!! AWFULL !!
@javierv.g.6429
@javierv.g.6429 18 күн бұрын
Since Málaga City to Cádiz City is something that is learned since kindergarden.
@billpugh58
@billpugh58 15 күн бұрын
Better take a look at Rees-Moggs accounts then…..
@niklar55
@niklar55 11 күн бұрын
This same situation existed in the 1960's.and Spain closed the border then as well. .
@zorrozorro9681
@zorrozorro9681 11 күн бұрын
@@niklar55 on the 60s there was not a EU, and Gibraltar did not work as a TAX HEAVEN and money laundry HUB ???
@niklar55
@niklar55 11 күн бұрын
@@zorrozorro9681 Loads of Gibbo's were living in Spain and claiming gibraltar residency. So they paid no taxes to Spain although they were permanent residents, in Spain! AND because they were living in Spain, they paid no taxes in Gibraltar either. Also, people in Gib, were financing and promoting smuggling operations, and shipping and selling booze, tobacco and other high taxed products to crooks in Spain. There was virtually NO tax in Gib. 2,5p in the pound, when UK people were paying seven times that amount. Gib was also heavily subsidised by the UK taxpayer. It was as much a tax haven then as it is now. .
@tonygrinney7115
@tonygrinney7115 Ай бұрын
This is an example where rigid philosophy overrides common sense. Very few UK citizens live in Gibralter and the Tory government were very aware that 96% voted to stay in the EU so they weren't inclined to do them any favours. This rigid Brexit stance has made things extremely difficult for Britains living in Gibraltar, in actual fact having Gibralter as part of Shengen is not going to make much difference except for those with hardline Brexit principle, who are unlikely to ever visit Gibralter anyway! It is an example of a British enclaves needs being ignored because of philosophocal rhetoric!
@alx9r
@alx9r Ай бұрын
“Rigid philosophy” is a very nice euphemism for British stubbornness.
@redwards5000
@redwards5000 Ай бұрын
All Gibraltarians are also British citizens. Since 2002 all British Overseas Territory Citizens have been considered UK citizens.
@almasomerville1070
@almasomerville1070 Ай бұрын
Everyone living in Gib is British.
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@almasomerville1070 Except the few Spanish young men who have fallen in love with elderly Brits across the border and want all their money.
@EllieD.Violet
@EllieD.Violet Ай бұрын
@@joshrichards608 Understood the difference between EEC/EC, EEU, EU and EFTA by now? 😎
@AMen-yw9cr
@AMen-yw9cr Ай бұрын
£350 million a week on a red bus could really help the country right about now
@Mar-enfrance
@Mar-enfrance Ай бұрын
Indeed! 😂😅
@Bill-uf6os
@Bill-uf6os Ай бұрын
It could. Importing the EU and the row will not.
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton Ай бұрын
@@AMen-yw9cr It wasn't Starmer who promise £350 million a week to the NHS.
@adtastic1533
@adtastic1533 Ай бұрын
Boris actually did give the NHS the £350mil, it's just you don't notice because it's a drop in the bucket. NHS is a broken system and that's why no other country in the world runs their healthcare like that.
@cleanerben9636
@cleanerben9636 Ай бұрын
350 mil would run the NHS for about 10 minutes
@keyboarddancers7751
@keyboarddancers7751 Ай бұрын
I bet Irish nationalists and Spain couldn't believe their luck when Britain voted for brexit!
@clivejungle6999
@clivejungle6999 Ай бұрын
The British subsidy to NI is equal to the RoI's entire education budget. Getting rid of the poorest part of the country riven with inter-communal conflict seems like an absolute win. Gib would probably be Spanish already if they weren't fascist until 1975 and then aggressively petty ever since.
@fossilfern
@fossilfern Ай бұрын
Irish nationalists in NI don’t support the existence of NI so it didn’t make a difference. Infact we were told 5 years there’d be a United Ireland and an Independent Scotland… it’s been 8 years since the referendum and none of that happened and doesn’t look like it will be happening lmao.
@thurmanmerman2720
@thurmanmerman2720 Ай бұрын
@@clivejungle6999 Imagine, the Irish are educating their population, one of the top three in the World, with the same budget that the British are subventing the lazy, unemployed, lard arsed Northern Irish.
@jabato9779
@jabato9779 Ай бұрын
As a Spaniard and Catholic, I wish one day Northern Ireland goes back to the Irish people.
@paullarne
@paullarne Ай бұрын
@@jabato9779 The people who live in Northern Ireland don't agree with you.
@themacintoshnerd
@themacintoshnerd Ай бұрын
Brexit is never gonna leave the news ever is it?
@daikucoffee5316
@daikucoffee5316 Ай бұрын
Spain should be strong against the UK.
@Ashutoshtilak
@Ashutoshtilak Ай бұрын
No.
@quantumjourney1
@quantumjourney1 Ай бұрын
Well no not til we fix the damage the brexit idiots caused
@lapollock95
@lapollock95 Ай бұрын
@@daikucoffee5316 the people voted over 99% to remain part of the UK stop crying about it and move on you focus so heavily on a rock when your country is in shambles good way to take the focus of the real problems in Spain, sadly, a rock has been top priority to Spain for over a 100 years.
Ай бұрын
It will never leave the news. It is analogous to cutting of your own leg, the lack of a leg is going to define the rest of your life 😒
@nondisclosure3920
@nondisclosure3920 Ай бұрын
Gotta love the hypocrisy of "we voted leave", whilst nerfing deals when they've been voted out. David Cameron has a lot to answer for!
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state. We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission. With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels. When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left. If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit. It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc.
@theotherohlourdespadua1131
@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Ай бұрын
​@@joshrichards608Is it really democracy when most of the Leaver rhetoric was based on lies?
@SaintGerbilUK
@SaintGerbilUK Ай бұрын
It's losers crying about losing
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
​@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Yes it was democracy, but obviously a small echo chamber of the losing side have lost all self respect since and regularly engage in mental gymnastics to sustain their denial. It's called cognitive dissonance, google it. Remoaners have become a cult really, they are a small minority in an echo chamber. But just to recap - for over a decade the overwhelming UK electorate continually put Farage in the EU to get us out. Cameron then won a majority on the basis of giving us a referendum. The referendum was won by leave, then we had two more general elections with Brexit as the topic and again leave won both of those elections. The cognitive dissonance being maintained by bitter remoaners is comical to see, much of the time it appears to be from teenagers who don't understand the two decades which lead up to brexit, which explains why youngsters were so easily taken in by Cameron's campaign to remain, and with no first hand knowledge of what the EU was doing to our country.
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@SaintGerbilUK Remoaners are actually more aligned on most issues to Donald Trump's MAGA crowd. They too don't care about democracy when they lose and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to deal with their cognitive dissonance and try to remain in contact with reality.
@josepdionisserentillchaube4367
@josepdionisserentillchaube4367 Ай бұрын
Spaniard here. We aren't imposing anything UK (as a whole) wanted to leave and they are enjoying the consequences of their own actions. They are welcome to apply for rejoining the union but they have to realize that Spain and Poland and... Will have their word in this process and they will have to accept the Euro, no passports,... UK is so used to privilege that equal treatment feels like opression to them. They see themselves like Expats in Spain but they fail to realize that they are just forgeiners. In Spain we have Spaniard, Eu citizens* and the rest. *Eu agreements with Switzerland, Norway,... Apply. Don't put on Spain or the EU the Blame of Brexit. We have our own problems to deal with.
@kev2034
@kev2034 Ай бұрын
They wanted all the benefits of leaving but none of the downsides.
@NH-gw3vc
@NH-gw3vc Ай бұрын
Ha - this is exactly why the EU will not survive long term - every country needs to approve everything. Now with regard to the British - look at our awful treatment in Mallorca and other Spanish islands - the Spanish don;t want us. That is, until - 40% if their income disappears when we go elsewhere.
@ab-ym3bf
@ab-ym3bf Ай бұрын
@@NH-gw3vc yeah yeah, you lot said that 50 years ago already. day after day, not one missed.
@selseyonetwenty4631
@selseyonetwenty4631 8 күн бұрын
How about Spain lives with the consequences of giving the land away in a signed document?
@1guitarlover
@1guitarlover Ай бұрын
The Gibraltar airport is built on Spanish soil. It was allowed to be operated from the rock to make their live easier. So performing checks at the airport is fairly legal and makes sense.
@anonnemo2504
@anonnemo2504 Ай бұрын
Correction; former Spanish soil. Anyway, whatever compromise is agreed over border issues, Spain can forget any ambitions they have to regain sovereignty over Gibraltar. The principle of self determination is supreme and Gibraltarians would never agree to a change of sovereignty over the Rock. For many, Franco and his regime is still a living memory and, for those, for whom it is not, there are the history books.
@guillekoala
@guillekoala Ай бұрын
@@anonnemo2504 Sure, let s enforce the Treaty of Utrecht which does not define the extent of the ‘Port’ that was ceded, nor the extent of Gibraltar’s maritime jurisdiction.
@anonnemo2504
@anonnemo2504 Ай бұрын
@@guillekoala Things have moved on a little since 1713 and all arrangements between UK and Gibraltar governments and Spain are in accordance with CURRENT international law. Also, all territories, unless landlocked, have territorial waters. The clue is in the name.
@guillekoala
@guillekoala Ай бұрын
​@@anonnemo2504 exactly since things have moved since 1704, then return back the captured territory to original country.
@anonnemo2504
@anonnemo2504 Ай бұрын
@@guillekoala Sorry, old chap. Because the principle of self determination is supreme, that would require the permission of the people who live there and that is never going to happen.
@richymoto
@richymoto Ай бұрын
Accept Gibraltar becoming a member of the Schengen area or face a hard border. The UK made the mess, the UK has to clean it up.
@rockerjim8045
@rockerjim8045 Ай бұрын
farage made this mess make him find a solution
@patta8388
@patta8388 Ай бұрын
@@rockerjim8045 Cameron made the mess. Farage provided the fuel, Cameron lit the fucking fire by actually having the vote and then adhering to it, even though it was so close.
@_PatrickO
@_PatrickO 25 күн бұрын
@@patta8388 The vote was always a scam. It was designed to lump soft brexit with hard brexit which makes no sense because soft brexit is not in any way compatible with hard brexit. 70% of the country was against hard brexit. The vote allowed the 30% that wanted a hard brexit to set up a brexit where running out the clock by disrupting any deal resulted in an automatic hard brexit.
@safuwanfauzi5014
@safuwanfauzi5014 25 күн бұрын
UK out of EU because of migration but still have migration problem, what a mess when Farage used sentiment and emotion to made UK poor. racism can bite you back.
@mikkyo3509
@mikkyo3509 23 күн бұрын
@@patta8388 You can't blame individual politicians if you as a people are so stupid that you fall for the lies. The majority voted for Brexit.
@vicnzvitis
@vicnzvitis Ай бұрын
As a Spaniard I hope the hard border its imposed. Even better the fence is closed (as per treaty of Utrech). That fence was only opened as a condition of the UK for Spain to Join the back then called Common Market. No need to oblige any longer
@Heneling
@Heneling Ай бұрын
I suppose Spain will give back its overseas territories too? Plus Britain can’t give it back if the residents vote to stay as we are a democracy
@vicnzvitis
@vicnzvitis Ай бұрын
@@Heneling I'm tired to explaining the same to imperialist ignorants. Spain doesn't have overseas territories. Ceuta and Melilla have MP's in the Madrid parliament because they are full Spanish cities.They are across the water from the mainland as the isle of Jersey is across the water from your mainland. Furthermore Ceuta and Melilla aren't fiscal paradises or Naval bases. As I said bring on the hard border.
@ab-ym3bf
@ab-ym3bf Ай бұрын
​@@Henelingwhich has exactly what to do with Gibraltar? Your weak argument, often used by the brits, shows you have no proper argumentation to make, and are simply clutching at the last remnants of empire to keep feeling important.
@Makiv-hj5xh
@Makiv-hj5xh Ай бұрын
@@Heneling Ceuta and Melilla have never been Moroccan territories. Spain does not need to "return" these cities to a country they do not belong at the first place.
@user-qg6cc3ee5c
@user-qg6cc3ee5c Ай бұрын
​@@Heneling Learn f**** history the right way. Your old historical lies aren't the truth.
@mydogisbailey
@mydogisbailey Ай бұрын
Sickening. Block the UK and Gibraltar until they figure out their own domestic bullsh*t and come to the negotiating table with good faith. Stop wasting EU’s time.
@Username18981
@Username18981 Ай бұрын
Except that just screws over the people living there over a fight with those this has no direct impact on. They don't have an MP of their own.
@tryangle-by-steve
@tryangle-by-steve Ай бұрын
It’s unfair to the people… maybe it’s time for Gibraltar to leave the monarchy and go for independence!
@marcovanwijnen6840
@marcovanwijnen6840 Ай бұрын
When you say, "Stop wasting EU's time", are you referring to other corrupt EU politicians like Eva Kaili that are too busy filling their pockets with money? Then I agree, Viktor Orban must be given more time.
@boamare3367
@boamare3367 Ай бұрын
@@marcovanwijnen6840 No, we were talking about those hypocrites who defended Brexit and placed their companies in the EU, those who defended Brexit and asked for dual citizenship, those who transferred their company headquarters to Northern Ireland and those who immigrated to the UK and who, after acquiring the right of residence, no longer want immigrants.
@susancurtis1651
@susancurtis1651 Ай бұрын
No stop wasting GB’s time.
@RealMash
@RealMash Ай бұрын
So...the UK is miffed that the EU member Spain uses its own sovereignty? Which all EU members have and had all the time?
@inconnu4961
@inconnu4961 Ай бұрын
So why were British councils saying they had no say over certain local issues that fell under EU jurisdiction? We arent going to rehash this again, are we?
@RealMash
@RealMash Ай бұрын
@@inconnu4961 It would be a moot decision. the UK is out anyway. No way that anyone can blame the EU for what is not done now?
@duckmeat4674
@duckmeat4674 Ай бұрын
Not all EU members. Like ireland
@user-qs3rf4hh5n
@user-qs3rf4hh5n Ай бұрын
@@inconnu4961 No idea but they have gone bankrupt well past Brexit so they can't blame the EU for that.
@khaitomretro
@khaitomretro Ай бұрын
Morocco need to kick Spain out if Africa too.
@patrickchan2503
@patrickchan2503 Ай бұрын
8 years already... wow time flies... gosh. what have I been doing for the past 8 years.
@Piden-l4b
@Piden-l4b Ай бұрын
Let’s hope in another 8 years from now nobody will speak about this anymore
@inconnu4961
@inconnu4961 Ай бұрын
It does go by quickly, doesnt it!
@irondasgr
@irondasgr Ай бұрын
NOT visiting the UK maybe???? as most of us
@patrickchan2503
@patrickchan2503 Ай бұрын
@@irondasgr do you have beef with the UK?
@irondasgr
@irondasgr Ай бұрын
@@patrickchan2503 Well, everyone should have a beef with those greedy bastards. But it doesn't matter anymore. Just grab a nice bucket of popcorn and watch the spectacle as they crumble down more and more day by day. From the eggs on Fromage's head, to the boats landing right on the coasts of South England, to the perisstence of Scotalnd/Wales to show their own flag, to the Paki mayor, to London's going from fish and chips to curry and halal meat full-on, to the riots against immigrants, to the interviews of relieved people moving to other countries in sheer relief. It's all about the fun now, isn't it?
@JustAnotherAccount8
@JustAnotherAccount8 Ай бұрын
The best part of brexit is that the rest of the EU fell in line and are likely not going to vote to leave anytime soon.
@philrothwell6858
@philrothwell6858 Ай бұрын
They cannot leave they are tied in to the Euro, it would be more or less be impossible to sort out
@Nortwin2
@Nortwin2 Ай бұрын
@@philrothwell6858 Poland isn't. Denmark isn't. Sweden isn't. Romania isn't. Czechia isn't. Hungary isn't. Bulgaria isn't. What other reasons are there?
@definitlynotbenlente7671
@definitlynotbenlente7671 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately the dutch did not get the memo
@Piden-l4b
@Piden-l4b Ай бұрын
@@philrothwell6858Hungary could leave. And this would be better for the EU
@dwaynekeenum1916
@dwaynekeenum1916 Ай бұрын
@@philrothwell6858euro better than pound
@BobHerzog1962
@BobHerzog1962 Ай бұрын
I don't get why Brexit supporters claim the EU is doing stuff like that to punish the UK. They wanted to take controll of their borders back. A controlled border is exactly this. A closed border! With controlls! This is just the same as Ireland and Northern Ireland they will just have to accept that a border needs to be somewhere and that a border means checks, paperwork and so forth.
@ab-ym3bf
@ab-ym3bf Ай бұрын
Because they have the mind of a 6 year old.
@Oddi92
@Oddi92 Ай бұрын
Also, the EU will take the side of their member states. So they will side with Spain in a dispute about Gibraltar. In the past it would have to be neutral.
@ab-ym3bf
@ab-ym3bf Ай бұрын
@@Oddi92 It already did that when the issue of the Chagos Islands came up, as well as in the Malvinas situation.
@m3photo726
@m3photo726 Ай бұрын
Controlled border? You mean like the sieve at Dover, for example?
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar isn't part of the UK. The last time we asked them if they wanted to stay a British overseas territory they voted 98% in favour of our protection from the likes of Spain. Spain and their armada tried and failed to invade the UK, as did 1930's Germany. Gibraltar has been a British overseas territory for hundreds of years. So, we continue to protect Gibraltar as all countries protect their overseas territories. Spain, for example has multiple overseas territories including northern Africa, various islands, etc, mostly gained from it's colonial days. Any country who tries to invade Gibraltar will trigger an immediate military response, see the Falkland islands war.
@miguelnovovillasuso
@miguelnovovillasuso Ай бұрын
Not to mention that some territories that you think are british, aren't. In example: the Airport was built on Spanish land, where Spain allowed Britain to build a temporary hospital, during two pandemics at Gibraltar. As usual, the UK never abandoned these lands. Great neighbors. The Treaty of Utrech states, very clearly, that Gibraltar has no rights on the sea. Guess what? they are builind the second urban expansion on lands gained to the sea. Not no mention that about an 30% of British-Gibraltar citizens live in Spain, without paying taxes in Spain. Not strange, as Gibraltar is a Tax Heaven (as usual for Britain overseas territories) where lot of Spanish business/citizens hide their (maybe not honest) money. I think we should close the border at least for 10 year. Later, we will see.
@Aelfraed26
@Aelfraed26 Ай бұрын
Sounds like the UK wants to have its cake and eat it too
@stephenpickering8063
@stephenpickering8063 Ай бұрын
You make it sound almost like the EU. ;)
@component9008
@component9008 Ай бұрын
@@stephenpickering8063Except most eu members would never be that selfish
@duncansmith7562
@duncansmith7562 Ай бұрын
on the contrary. the EU is happy to hurt EU citizens in its desire to punish the UK unnecessarily.
@frankyboy1131
@frankyboy1131 Ай бұрын
Sure. As usual. And ol' Nigel is still waffling and nagging because the 'undemocratic EU' isn't giving the oh so souvereign Brits what they demand. How dare they! 😅
@duncansmith7562
@duncansmith7562 Ай бұрын
@@frankyboy1131 no one is demanding anything, but it would be considerate of the corrupt Brussels elite to figure out an arrangement that helps EU citizens who rely on the UK for work and income.
@ValensBellator
@ValensBellator Ай бұрын
It’s amazing what an enormous mess was made for no reason and zero gain, and then those same people keep getting in the way of finding solutions as well.
@berH96
@berH96 Ай бұрын
Zero gain? You know how much money was made and continues to be made by the "correct" people? Farage is laughing his ass off, and even comes back to repeat his performance. Gotta love the shamelessnes.
@quillo2747
@quillo2747 Ай бұрын
Self determination and independence is a pretty big reason.
@Deepfried_duck
@Deepfried_duck Ай бұрын
@@quillo2747Independence to do what?
@ricardoamendoeira3800
@ricardoamendoeira3800 Ай бұрын
​@@quillo2747What very beneficial thing was the UK prevented from doing that it has been doing since it left the EU?
@SeverityOne
@SeverityOne Ай бұрын
@@quillo2747 Before the referendum, I used to say that the choice was not between Brussels and London, but between Brussels and Beijing. When Xi Jinping came to Britain, and he was received as royalty, that assertion became a fact. Good luck asserting yourself against China as a nation of 67 million people, instead of a bloc of over 500 million people (the UK included).
@Folgeantrag
@Folgeantrag Ай бұрын
So basically the Tories did not came to a Schengen agreement fir Gibraltar with Spain by purely ideological caveats and did just nothing over years to secure the vital interests of the Citizens of Gibraltar
@shiniselune399
@shiniselune399 Ай бұрын
Isn't that just Brexit in a nutshell? They wanted Brexit for ideological reasons ("take back control" "remove the immigrants" etc...) but failed to consider the fact that their entire country was getting a lot more than it was giving away. Now the UK has even shittier healthcare, struggles to employ enough people to do the seasonal jobs that don't pay well (the one they still use immigrants for...), lost a lot of companies which relied on the free movement of goods between the UK and the rest of the EU etc... It was a small suicide and its certainly not the highest earners who are paying for that mistake! I'm gonna be honest, as a non UK citizen i was and still am puzzled about how they managed to defend this idea, vote for it, follow through, get the worst deal possible every step of the way... And how there are still people defending it its mind boggling!
@conors4430
@conors4430 Ай бұрын
No no, I just didn’t want people having easy access to my country, but I’m still allowed easy access to theirs right?
@stephenpickering8063
@stephenpickering8063 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately that is the EU attitude. :(
@lordkfc1297
@lordkfc1297 Ай бұрын
@@stephenpickering8063 You have it backwards mate. But besides that, the bigger market dictates the rules so if the UK wants to deal with the EU(you know, its main market) then the Uk will have to follow the EU's rules, enough of your British exceptionalism.
@stephenpickering8063
@stephenpickering8063 Ай бұрын
@@lordkfc1297 Not at all. I have it fully accurate in terms of the EU's notorious double standards. Yes a big state can bully another to a degree to get biased terms of trade but that on;y goes so far before they get told to p*ss off. There is a wide world out that and if one great power is being an asshole then the incentive is there to look elsewhere. It will take a government with some actual guts and interest in the needs of the people but until that occurs things won't get better on a broader range of matters. I still have some hopes that Starmar could be the breakthrough point but have to see how things goes.
@OriaxHeloth
@OriaxHeloth 24 күн бұрын
@@stephenpickering8063 Poor brits, they are so oppressed.
@ItsZombiefied
@ItsZombiefied Ай бұрын
Farage's first day in parliament was spent bashing John Bercow for "trying to overthrow the greatest democratic decision in the history of this nation" while ignoring the democratic wishes of the people of Gibraltar
@SaintGerbilUK
@SaintGerbilUK Ай бұрын
Almost like Gibraltar is part of the UK, not an independent country.
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state. We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission. With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels. When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left. If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit. It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc. Re voting demographics, if it were just old people voting to leave then they would be like the Tories currently are, a complete electoral wipeout. There was only a very slight difference in age goups and cohorts. Lots of teenagers who had never voted before did so to leave, just as many elderly voted to remain. What's happening here is that an angry hard right of remoaners STILL don't accept democracy, which is the running theme of Trump supporters too. If you don't like democracy then you can either not vote, or you can move to an authoritarian country where you have no vote at all.
@M.W.I.
@M.W.I. Ай бұрын
@@joshrichards608 BS
@ItsZombiefied
@ItsZombiefied Ай бұрын
@@joshrichards608 A few things. We have stagnant wages because corporations are allowed to make record profits with little tax under 14 years of Tory rule, giving way to wages that did not rise with inflation created by the Tories. There are no houses because the government refused to build them, Thatcher sold them out to the private sector, and land use laws allowed landlords to send rent and house prices sky high. Also, it is not democratic for the people of Scotland to be forced into something chosen for them by the people of England. They voted overwhelmingly against it, and got forced into it against their will. That is not democracy. It's not the first time something like this happened. Ulster (which is made up of 9 counties, 6 of which today make up Northern Ireland) was left out of a Home Rule bill overwhelmingly pushed by other people the people in Ulster didn't want. And when I say that, I mean not even half, compared to 96% in Gibraltar. They did not choose to be in the EU. It was not a referendum for the people in Gibraltar. They had no say. Also, I fail to see how allowing Gibraltar special EU privilages, a decision that would only have positive effects for the people of Gibraltar and Spain, would affect you Brexiteers. Passport control could still be enforced in the British Isles.
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@M.W.I. Yes we know remoaners don't have a very good relationship with truth and democracy, and they were completely taken in by David Cameron's campaign to remain. All remoaners are therefore hard right Tory authoritarians.
@iberiano-ls2rv
@iberiano-ls2rv Ай бұрын
British people, you are OUT with all consequences including those from Gibraltar. " Brexit means Brexit"
@susancurtis1651
@susancurtis1651 14 күн бұрын
@@iberiano-ls2rv BREXIT, Britain’s exit from the EU. “not” from our overseas territories. Who will protect you if British military bases in Europe and Gibraltar do not ? Does Spain have its own nuclear deterrent ? Does it have its own up to date fighter jets, drones and heat seeking missiles etc., or does it like the Eu, piggy back off GB ‘s. What if big bad Russia comes after you or even worse China ? You may want to trust in NATO or whoever but I trust in our own British forces, they are the ones always requested for help, assistance and instruction all around the world.
@susancurtis1651
@susancurtis1651 14 күн бұрын
@@iberiano-ls2rv Good, that is exactly why millions of Britains fought and died in two world wars for our freedom and not only for the UK but for every individual European citizen too. Germany did not invade the UK it invaded Italy, France and Spain remember and the UK declared war on Germany, to free and save you.
@iberiano-ls2rv
@iberiano-ls2rv 14 күн бұрын
@@susancurtis1651 wrong , Britain did NOT save Spain ignorant. You chose be OUT of the EU and so do not moan about the consequences. You wanted to control your borders so wants the EU.
@SolomonSunder
@SolomonSunder 11 күн бұрын
@@susancurtis1651 Such a great service that the UK tried to wiggle out of Polish demands against the USSR. And UK did not have millions. It was from the Commonwealth.
@susancurtis1651
@susancurtis1651 10 күн бұрын
@@iberiano-ls2rv What utter nonsense. The UK declared war on Germany because it was invading Europe. Spain is in Europe. As for the Eu, the British public are extremely happy to be out of the Eu. It is the British government that have not taken advantage of the BREXIT benefits. We moan because we are still not free of the WEF controlled Eu despite the BREXIT referendum result and because France is still ferrying migrants into British waters despite the British people paying them tens of millions to stop the migrants. France is purposefully aiding and abetting illegal entry of migrants into the UK aside UK waters which is also against British law therefore we have every right to complain.
@user-nd8sq9vg8p
@user-nd8sq9vg8p Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is a colony. Since the 1960s, it has been on the United Nations list of "Non-Self-Governing Territories awaiting decolonisation". This colonial vestige is incompatible with resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960 on decolonisation. The United Nations has pointed out that, in the decolonisation process of Gibraltar, the applicable principle is not that of self-determination of peoples but rather that of restitution of Spanish territorial integrity. Spain has repeatedly asked the United Kingdom to enter into negotiations, in compliance with the provisions of the United Nations since 1965, to reach a definitive solution to this dispute. Gibraltar was ceded to the United Kingdom by the Treaty of Utrecht. However, only "the city and castle of Gibraltar together with its port, defences and fortresses belonging to it" were ceded. The isthmus, like the adjacent waters or the overlying airspace, was not ceded by Spain and has always remained under Spanish sovereignty. The continued de facto occupation by the British does not meet the requirements of international law for the acquisition of sovereignty. That is why Spain has always stressed that the occupation of the isthmus is illegal and contrary to international law and, therefore, has always demanded its unconditional return. Spain does not recognise the occupation of the isthmus or the fence as a border.
@FinalHitTv
@FinalHitTv Ай бұрын
Note: Not Gibraltar, the city, the castle and the port buildings. Not a single piece of land has been given to UK. Sovereignty belongs to Spain.
@kyzantia8884
@kyzantia8884 23 күн бұрын
Cry harder
@user-nd8sq9vg8p
@user-nd8sq9vg8p 23 күн бұрын
@@kyzantia8884 no tears, just facts.
@ALBERTOVEIRARAMOS
@ALBERTOVEIRARAMOS 23 күн бұрын
@@kyzantia8884 someone got triggered here...
@robyrei-9434
@robyrei-9434 22 күн бұрын
@@ALBERTOVEIRARAMOS O nos lo devolveis mataos exclavizantes o os lo arrevatamos con boicot,igual que haceis, paguen alquiler por la base si la quieren como los demás.
@albertorg4085
@albertorg4085 Ай бұрын
Don't blame the EU for the UK stupid actions and incompetence.
@inconnu4961
@inconnu4961 Ай бұрын
Why not? It's their fault! Dont believe everything that your Left-leaning media tells you!
@itzkingcringe
@itzkingcringe Ай бұрын
Stuff like this shows Brexiteers just didn’t give a second thought to the consequences of leaving the EU past “it’ll get rid of immigration!”
@chrisgironde6669
@chrisgironde6669 Ай бұрын
And they voted against the wrong immigration The immigration issue was of those from non eu countries eg those staying in the jungle at Calais.
@user-xi5ej4ox5s
@user-xi5ej4ox5s Ай бұрын
Worst of all, immigration remained.
@Portal-Ninja
@Portal-Ninja Ай бұрын
And immigration has actually doubled since 2015 😂
@AlexMax2742
@AlexMax2742 Ай бұрын
@@user-xi5ej4ox5s As long as there is demand for immigrant labor, you will always have immigrants. The only difference is if they are legal or illegal. Illegal immigrants are generally worked harder and paid less because they have much fewer political rights and are more vulnerable to being kicked out of the country. Being against legal immigration means that you are also in favor of suppressing the price and availability of labor for native citizens in favor of illegal immigrants.
@user-xi5ej4ox5s
@user-xi5ej4ox5s Ай бұрын
@@AlexMax2742 illegal immigrants won't come if they are unalived on sight whenever they are caught.
@Eduard.Popa.
@Eduard.Popa. Ай бұрын
Is not EU hard things up ! Is Brexit !!
@JohnnyinMN
@JohnnyinMN Ай бұрын
Gibraltar? Along with the pound and the Elgin Marbles, kiss ‘em goodbye (as a start) to joining the EU. The EU was right - see you in 100 years.
@kyzantia8884
@kyzantia8884 23 күн бұрын
We are not joining the EU, cry harder
@user-ue7fb2uo6c
@user-ue7fb2uo6c Ай бұрын
simple solution, let Gibraltar to vote if they still wants to remain in UK,
@irondasgr
@irondasgr Ай бұрын
Hold your horses. Don;t be that sure of the result. They just want themselves what's in their best interest and this def is to remain in the UK and just make the most of what Spain has to offer with minimum price. They are British, not stupid.
@FinalHitTv
@FinalHitTv Ай бұрын
They do not have the right to do so.
@alexbertran3873
@alexbertran3873 28 күн бұрын
Hahaha stay in UK win, 100%
@dj-jazzy-jimbob
@dj-jazzy-jimbob 27 күн бұрын
They have twice 99% vote to remain, before the EU and During the EU
@YesYes-xb6he
@YesYes-xb6he 12 күн бұрын
I'm not sure how Gibraltar becoming an independent nation would help things.
@teehasheestower
@teehasheestower Ай бұрын
How many times do we get to hear, "before brexit, this worked well..."?
@udasai
@udasai Ай бұрын
Did they ever solve the problem with pallet standards? Because as a US truck driver, LOL.
@andresmayo9327
@andresmayo9327 Ай бұрын
you should keep hearing about brexit for as long as it hurts england, which is forever
@teehasheestower
@teehasheestower Ай бұрын
@@andresmayo9327 I mean, fair enough. Too bad queen What's-her-name didn't stop it.
@nat_penrose
@nat_penrose Ай бұрын
Answer: the British economy
@rezarfar
@rezarfar Ай бұрын
We'll keep hearing it until it isn't true anymore.
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo Ай бұрын
why not, the EU needs to protect its borders from hostile countries....
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state. We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission. With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels. When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left. If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit. It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc. Re voting demographics, if it were just old people voting to leave then they would be like the Tories currently are, a complete electoral wipeout. There was only a very slight difference in age goups and cohorts. Lots of teenagers who had never voted before did so to leave, just as many elderly voted to remain. What's happening here is that an angry hard right of remoaners STILL don't accept democracy, which is the running theme of Trump supporters too. If you don't like democracy then you can either not vote, or you can move to an authoritarian country where you have no vote at all.
@PhoeniX199777
@PhoeniX199777 Ай бұрын
Whos being hostile?
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@PhoeniX199777 Clueless teenage remoaners.
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@johnny71c Don't waste the wear and tear on your keyboard. Teenage Militant EU Remoaners are as clueless as they sound.
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo Ай бұрын
@@johnny71c because Putin bought already your house of lords... the UK dont want to make their new boss upset...right? the UK is a security risk for Europe... and they have barley anyone who would serve the military, because your Russian paid Tories starved your military to not existing...no wonder, Putin paid for it! maybe you can ask your empire to send you some troops, but i assume, Gibraltar isnt that much populated!
@javiersp
@javiersp Ай бұрын
The title shall be corrected: “Gibraltar is treated as any other foreign territory as brexit voters chose”
@simibro1709
@simibro1709 Ай бұрын
Give it back to Spain would be the best option to avoid new conflicts! Those little territories are a pain in the neck of good relationships between countries involved. 😢
@Heneling
@Heneling Ай бұрын
The residents voted to stay so the government is not allowed to give it back to Spain
@simibro1709
@simibro1709 Ай бұрын
@@Heneling I understand that. But it doesn't make any sense for any country to hold on far away territories which should be free to be independent. Of course people hold on to citizenship for obvious reasons, but it takes a lot of effort and money to keep those lands under control which originated from colonialism. Another example are Ceuta and Melilla which are a magnet for refugees leaving African countries and camping just outside the border in terrible conditions waiting to be able to go through and get in a boat to Europe.
@stephenpickering8063
@stephenpickering8063 Ай бұрын
@@simibro1709 Didn't you read what Heneling said? The people of Gibraltar don't want to become Spanish subjects. That's the point that sticks in the Spanish throat.
@simibro1709
@simibro1709 Ай бұрын
@@stephenpickering8063 that's why in my reply I implied that they probably don't want to lose they privileges and become "ordinary" citizens and learn Spanish. The same way for other territories (British or others). I get it, unfair or not is the way people vote.
@fedevida1951
@fedevida1951 Ай бұрын
​@@stephenpickering8063 Well, they never were Spanish. The real, original Spanish population was expelled.
@emameyer
@emameyer Ай бұрын
I recently divorced my wife. We are still working out our post-divorce relationship. One thing that was never a discussion point was the fact she had to return the keys of our house and could not come and go as she pleased.
@jpt3640
@jpt3640 Ай бұрын
And why is that "our house" is "your house"?
@emameyer
@emameyer Ай бұрын
@jpt3640 because she was very stupid and decided to pursue her delusions... this has led to her destroying a lot of wealth and imposes a lot of unnecessary cost on both parts. And since she is not paying for anything she left behind, she also has no access to any of it. Or are you suggesting I should share my Netflix with her? A divorce rescinds privileged access to the former spouse and all the benefits that came with marriage. Would be really silly if it were otherwise.
@sim-sam
@sim-sam Ай бұрын
Well, english friends: you voted to leave, so, please leave. EU/we do not care.
@ahones2255
@ahones2255 12 күн бұрын
"Gibraltar was taken and retained when we were not at war with Spain, and it was retained contrary to every law of morality and honour. " John Bright 1869
@joseantoniodepilares6509
@joseantoniodepilares6509 Ай бұрын
Dear Gibraltarians. Accept the fact that, against your wishes, the UK pulled you out of Europe. If you want back in, join Spain. There will be no other way, Spain will always veto an independent Gibraltar joining Europe, or the UK rejoining. Gibraltar will be Spanish. Geography always prevails.
@NCHLTII
@NCHLTII Ай бұрын
Hmm
@davidd3381
@davidd3381 Ай бұрын
Geography really does always prevail, you're right! Can't wait for Ceuta and Melilla to revert to their rightful people.
@user-qs3rf4hh5n
@user-qs3rf4hh5n Ай бұрын
​@@davidd3381When Morocco becomes a democracy no ? or are your democratic principles optional ?
@davidd3381
@davidd3381 Ай бұрын
@@user-qs3rf4hh5n who are you to decide?
@enriqueburgos9754
@enriqueburgos9754 Ай бұрын
@@davidd3381 Ceuta and Melilla already belong to their legitimate owners, the Portuguese and Spanish do not carry out ethnic cleansing like the English in Gibraltar
@FalconX88
@FalconX88 Ай бұрын
So, leave the UK. Makes much more sense to be part of the EU than the UK.
@Qjimbo
@Qjimbo Ай бұрын
In Canada, US immigration officials conduct checks at Canadian airports for people flying into the United States. To have EU officials in Gibraltar is not as radical or scary as it has been portrayed.
@johnflatt1288
@johnflatt1288 Ай бұрын
We literally have “borders” in London, Dublin, and Paris too! Such a dumb thing to make a fuss about. It lowers friction and makes travel easier for both EU/UK tourists and US citizens so they don’t have to spend 15 hours in customs in New York or Houston!
@counterleo
@counterleo Ай бұрын
There's already EU officials in London, Folkestone and Dover, and British officials in Paris, Calais and Brussels 🤣
@ManoloAlvarez-pz4lz
@ManoloAlvarez-pz4lz Ай бұрын
Es el narcotráfico y la base nuclear lo que no queremos,RU no ha sido un buen socio y permite a las mafias operar en el estrecho,vemos como se refugian las lanchas de contrabando,narcotráfico,paso de personas,armamento nuclear......
@vateriel7
@vateriel7 Ай бұрын
Schengen or tax heaven. Can’t have both
@alexanderlasombra
@alexanderlasombra Ай бұрын
A brief clarification from Spain: we do not have a formal claim on the isthmus. Rather, we have a claim on the entire territory since the UN gave Spain the reason for the decolonization of the Rock in 1968. The claims on the isthmus date back to the time of the dictatorship.
@armintargaryen9216
@armintargaryen9216 Ай бұрын
Yes, Gibraltar as a whole is to this day formally acknowledged by the UN itself as a territory awaiting de-colonization. Anglos tend to forget thst.
@ce1834
@ce1834 Ай бұрын
Who cares what Spain claims - Gibraltar has and will be British longer than it was ever Spanish by the consent of the people 🇬🇮
@prestongarvey4461
@prestongarvey4461 Ай бұрын
@@ce1834 Consent of the people means little, since America, Indonesia, as well as many colonial powers ignored that to set up their territories. Flooding a country with your people to get a de jure claim based on ethnicity isn't exactly fair conduct.
@ce1834
@ce1834 Ай бұрын
​@@prestongarvey4461 Not comparable, hilarious comparison, Spain was a colonial powerhouse too, like many territorial changes in Europe in history, they signed it away (310 years ago). Hope to see you campaigning for Ceuta and Melilla's union with Morocco too
@prestongarvey4461
@prestongarvey4461 Ай бұрын
@@ce1834 Ah but we are not defending Spain's claim to equatorial Guinea are we? No no my friend. Lawfully it is theirs. Britain suffered because of bad governments making dumb decisions, it wasn't the EU that devalued the Pound for a while, nor was it EU immigration that became problematic for the UK. Housing, Rent, Food, everything is still going up in spite of your glamorous freedom, health care is falling sharply and overall no one has actually benefitted British entitlement thinking you're still the powerful world power you once were doesn't fit with the Britain of today, even Thatcher made better decisions that you've all done lately.
@shenava
@shenava Ай бұрын
Scotland voted to stay in the EU, Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU, Gibraltar voted to stay in the EU. The Conservative Party that brought us Brexit had been resoundingly removed from governernance. Brexit had been an unmitigated disaster, to the surprise of no one. So, why not just end this shit show of a situation and rejoin the EU?
@Daniel-nt5gh
@Daniel-nt5gh 15 күн бұрын
Now the EU has a say, in fact EU's say, even the smallest or the newest of the EU's countries say, is way more important that UK's say. When Brexit happened, many political analyst say that the UK would ask to come back in 10 years (2016-2026), and that France would say no.
@ann-catherinemorner7499
@ann-catherinemorner7499 4 күн бұрын
You have to join the line. At the back. Work on fullfilling the requirments. No more rebates, no exemptions. Oh, and how about keeping the deals you have made?
@lmarts
@lmarts Ай бұрын
As a Spaniard I would definitely bring the hard border to struggle such a colony which is base for smugglers, tax evaders, hundreds of obscure shell companies, etc. I don't care of a small rock being given back to Spain. Sorry for the Spanish people working there but... 🤷
@allanlank
@allanlank Ай бұрын
It's sad that common sense voices like yours seem so sparse.
@wanttodor_mir
@wanttodor_mir Ай бұрын
No no, Great Britain have imposed a hard border to their citizens of Gibraltar with the Brexit. Don‘t get confused.
@Dendarang
@Dendarang Ай бұрын
I don't get what Starmer is so afraid of, tbh. U-turning and going soft on Brexit would only split the opposition since vast majority of Labour voters are indifferent or pro EU. Meanwhile, U turning on Brexit would mean pissing off the Reform (which would strengthen Reform and weaken Conservatives) and splitting Conservatives down the middle between pro business moderates and Brexiteers. Split opposition is how Labour can win the next general election.
@Bozebo
@Bozebo Ай бұрын
Because he loves laundering money.
@Hex___666
@Hex___666 Ай бұрын
I suggest you look at the highest Brexit voting areas and Labour voters, Labour are just as split as the Conservatives
@Kwisatz-Chaderach
@Kwisatz-Chaderach Ай бұрын
Bro, labour is going to get destroyed in the next election.
@fraac
@fraac Ай бұрын
he's afraid of the red wall, aka the english
@clivemay6877
@clivemay6877 Ай бұрын
I was thinking that now Labour are in, it would be easy to do a deal to allow Gibraltar to be part of Schengen. It was the mention of the RAF in this video that made me realise that it won't happen under any UK gov. Put simply, the UK army, navy and air force works need to provide the names, passports? of their personnel entering and then leaving Gibralta to EU Border Force. Not going to happen!
@pizdocivka
@pizdocivka Ай бұрын
It was the UK that withdraw from the EU not vice versa. This is simply predicted and negotiated follow up of the decision UK made.
@savvageorge
@savvageorge Ай бұрын
That's OK if the EU want to be petty with the border then we can just find other countries to become friends with like Russia.
@NoName-hg6cc
@NoName-hg6cc Ай бұрын
​@@savvageorgeIt's called sovereignty and it wss a big deal for you in 2016... Authoritarian countries like Russia fits uk better than European democracies 😂
@jorgebarriosmur
@jorgebarriosmur Ай бұрын
@@savvageorge You call it petty. We call it enforcing the laws of the EU, that are the same for ALL non-EU members...... unless you make a special deal. But that requires concesions on your part.........can`t have your cake and eat it! Out means out!
@alexkoolgarcia4912
@alexkoolgarcia4912 Ай бұрын
Close the border. No to Tax Havens.
@pacificostudios
@pacificostudios Ай бұрын
How long before the UK votes again on joining the EU? The "Leave" vote was funded by Russia, and it was very close. This time, "Remain" will be beyond question.
@teddyboysdontknit810
@teddyboysdontknit810 Ай бұрын
Very true but sadly it's not going to happen, we burnt the bridges, it will take a change of heart and many years to rejoin, definitely not in my life time.
@user-qp4bx5jg5n
@user-qp4bx5jg5n Ай бұрын
Give gibraltar back to Spain!
@kyzantia8884
@kyzantia8884 23 күн бұрын
No
@samomuransky4455
@samomuransky4455 Ай бұрын
Just a technical note: Schengen is not limited to mainland Europe, it includes Iceland, Malta as well as some outermost regions (e.g. Madeira or Azores).
@colinnich
@colinnich Ай бұрын
Iceland was clearly included in the video graphics
@LuisLopez2
@LuisLopez2 Ай бұрын
Canary Islands
@samomuransky4455
@samomuransky4455 Ай бұрын
@@colinnich Yes but the narrator explicitly said "continental Europe" ;) Schengen goes well beyond that, it covers the entire EU except Ireland (because of CTA), Cyprus (because of occupation) and certain outermost regions where it wouldn't be practical (e.g. Saint Martin, Martinique, etc.).
@Hambrack
@Hambrack Ай бұрын
Honestly, 99% of the time, if the conservatives disagree with something, it's the correct choice. Give Gibraltar back to Spain, and give Northern Ireland back to Ireland, and everything will be fine.
@jorgebarriosmur
@jorgebarriosmur Ай бұрын
Yeah! Because what we need right now in Spain is yet another territory full of people WHO DON`T WANT TO BE SPANISH. We have already enough of that, thank you. Sorry, Brexit and Gibraltar is YOUR mess......deal with it.........
@kyzantia8884
@kyzantia8884 23 күн бұрын
And go against what the people living there want ? Typical Tyrannical Left.
@alexcuenca404
@alexcuenca404 Ай бұрын
Why does the author avoid saying the word "colony*? Why not talking of that the UK keeps colonies even within European territories?
@targpatience
@targpatience Ай бұрын
Gibraltar stopped being Spanish in 1713, under a peace treaty signed following the War of the Spanish Succession. It's been separate for OVER 300 YEARS, with its own culture, language (Llanito) and people. It is not an oppressively occupied colony, and any suggestion otherwise is incredibly ignorant and stupid. What of Ceuta and Melilla? The hypocrisy is absurd. As others have noted, all that Spain would have in reclaiming Gibraltar is a collapsed economy there, ten thousand unemployed Andalusians, and a dramatic fall in revenue to Hacienda. It's jingoistic nonsense that benefits no-one. Gibraltar is used by Spanish politicians as a distraction tactic and to rile up pig-headed nationalism. Are you so easily led?
@ryandanngetich2524
@ryandanngetich2524 Ай бұрын
Because its not a Colony and even if they were they rather be a colony than join Spain
@alexcuenca404
@alexcuenca404 Ай бұрын
@@targpatience a bit of patience, please, no one wants anyone to get tilted by good old British nationalism. As in many other territories, the UK takes (sometimes by force, as in this case) a territory far away from its borders, fills it with settlers, and then tries to convince the occupied country to let the settlers decide as an autonomous region. If a region is rich because of the tax heaven the Brits have created there, or because of the military base they created before that, or because of whatever other reason, that is not an excuse for that territory not to be considered a colony. Maybe if the UK stopped being g n0cida1 for a single century they could start giving morality lessons.
@anonymoususer3561
@anonymoususer3561 Ай бұрын
@@targpatience Ceuta and Melilla were always Spanish
@targpatience
@targpatience Ай бұрын
@@anonymoususer3561 Ha! I would suggest obtaining some basic understanding of history. Are you under the impression that Spain was always Spanish? Do you realise that Moorish rule of Spain was closer in time to Gibraltar's independence from Spain, than the latter is to the present day?
@Almirante1741
@Almirante1741 Ай бұрын
UK: Expands his territory violating spanish waters Spain: Doesn't open their border to them UK: Surprised Pikachu face
@graemehelleur1627
@graemehelleur1627 Ай бұрын
Time Gibraltar went back to Spain. Time Ireland was free and united. Time Scotland was independent. Negotiations with the english is a historical waste of time and perpetuates injustice.
@MorgorDre
@MorgorDre Ай бұрын
Just give Gibraltar back 🤦🏻‍♂️ these colonists
@dj-jazzy-jimbob
@dj-jazzy-jimbob 27 күн бұрын
It's been British longer than the USA has existed. That's like saying USA give your land back to the Native Americans
@kyzantia8884
@kyzantia8884 23 күн бұрын
The Gibraltarians want to remain British, so long as they do, any attempt to take Gibraltar is an act of war.
@overthecounterbeanie
@overthecounterbeanie Ай бұрын
Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of Britain's actions.
@JK-nx7my
@JK-nx7my Ай бұрын
Was just in Gibralter a week ago and loved it. the guide told us thousands cross the border every day to come to work. This will be a catastrophe for Gibraltar.
@onlineamiga
@onlineamiga Ай бұрын
And bad for Spain too. Those 15,000 workers would struggle to find work in nearby Spain which has a high unemployment rate. There is already a big problem with drug tafficking in the nearby area of La Linea. So if 15,000 more people don't have jobs then where will they turn?
@Makiv-hj5xh
@Makiv-hj5xh Ай бұрын
@@onlineamiga What are implying that these 15000 workers have no values or ethics and could easily be bribed for illegal activities? Spain would be more than happy to have more economic activity on the Spanish side. Ideally, of course, they would prefer to have Gibraltar back.
@onlineamiga
@onlineamiga Ай бұрын
@@Makiv-hj5xh No saying that all of them would be bribed or have no ethics. But when youve got a family to feed.. you'll go to lengths...
@atomicgrasshopper4391
@atomicgrasshopper4391 Ай бұрын
​@@onlineamigaUhmmm, Ask Borris and Nigel for solutions. They are the ones with the big mouths😅
@juanmorales5133
@juanmorales5133 Ай бұрын
cerrar la verja como e n epoca del general Franco
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 Ай бұрын
There are two ways. One is separatism and Brexit, which makes life difficult in Gibraltar. Or a deal with Spain and Gibraltar as part of the EU, which makes things easier for the people in Gibraltar. In my opinion, citizens of Gibraltar can retain access to the Schengen area while other UK citizens remain excluded. This is a problem that London has to solve.
@jabato9779
@jabato9779 Ай бұрын
Co-sovereignty is the best solution.
@DummyUseless-er3dn
@DummyUseless-er3dn Ай бұрын
Why doesn’t uk take the solution used for Northern Ireland
@Kevc00
@Kevc00 Ай бұрын
​@@DummyUseless-er3dn Brexiteers don't want it, at least the hardcore Reform lads don't. The NI deal is extremely unpopular with hardline Brexiteers because as discussed in the video it moves these regions closer to the EU and economically separates them from the UK. They should have thought about this before leaving the EU.
@dpo2183
@dpo2183 Ай бұрын
Takes to sides to agree unfortunately, London can make proposals all it wants but ultimately it will take sensible decision makers on both sides to resolve it.
@armintargaryen9216
@armintargaryen9216 Ай бұрын
There is a third clear "elephant in the room" option...
@DanielGalimidi
@DanielGalimidi Ай бұрын
Gibraltar being a British territory is an archaic holdover from the War of Spanish Succession in 1704. Just give the place back to Spain, keeping it is just not worth the hassle.
@BocaoZ
@BocaoZ Ай бұрын
Will Spain hand its territories to Morocco? Quite frankly, the logic should apply to every single overseas territory controlled by EU countries
@NotaBurnerac-iv6pp
@NotaBurnerac-iv6pp Ай бұрын
... so be the first and give it away to show good faith and character? weak logical argument. we wont cause others wont. quite cowardly
@bush_wookie_9606
@bush_wookie_9606 Ай бұрын
​@BocaoZ but but it's just the evil UK at it, everyone else is a victim. 😂😂😂
@chrisstein5486
@chrisstein5486 Ай бұрын
Give Melilla and Ceuta back to Morocco.
@ignacio4159
@ignacio4159 Ай бұрын
​@@chrisstein5486you can't give back to morocco something that was never theirs.
@giolag5593
@giolag5593 Ай бұрын
"Why the EU is about to impose a hard border in Gibraltar?" Because Brexit means Brexit 😂
@googoofeesmithersmits4536
@googoofeesmithersmits4536 Ай бұрын
It would be so much easier if they just returned gibraltar to Spain. Then none of this would he necessary
@herbertvonzinderneuf8547
@herbertvonzinderneuf8547 Ай бұрын
Spain could lead the way by returning Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco. Not going to happen.
@xergiok2322
@xergiok2322 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar has been British longer than it has ever been Spanish. The Gibraltarians are not Spanish and do not wish to be part of Spain.
@dxabier
@dxabier Ай бұрын
@@xergiok2322 Then the EU should build the wall
@cesaravegah3787
@cesaravegah3787 Ай бұрын
The drugs smugglers and money launderers would need to find another cozy place to operate
@smileysan9261
@smileysan9261 Ай бұрын
I would love having the UK back in the EU, without special privileges that is
@alexbertran3873
@alexbertran3873 28 күн бұрын
Me not.....UK has been always a blocker for EU development.... It is great they are out
@Darko_Milosevski03
@Darko_Milosevski03 21 күн бұрын
​@alexbertran3873 would you have a united Ireland or independent Scotland part of the eu ? Scotland were taken out of the eu against their will Maybe Scotland should've voted independence 10 years ago
@ade2487
@ade2487 12 күн бұрын
Keep dreaming
@educasbor8598
@educasbor8598 Ай бұрын
The only solution: return Gibraltar to Spain…
@roberto8650
@roberto8650 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar es una colonia británica.
@alexbertran3873
@alexbertran3873 28 күн бұрын
And Catalonia is a Spanish colony //*//
@roberto8650
@roberto8650 27 күн бұрын
@@alexbertran3873 Nope.
@roberto8650
@roberto8650 24 күн бұрын
@@louisescano3961 Nope. 🙂 But you go on thinking it.
@RipCityBassWorks
@RipCityBassWorks Ай бұрын
This is so dumb, the UK wants to confine 30k people to a 7 square km area over nationalism? Just cede the territory to Spain already, it shouldn't have ever been under British control to begin with.
@jorgebarriosmur
@jorgebarriosmur Ай бұрын
We are not even asking for it! All we are asking is to collaborate in the customs of the airport, as it will become the new EU-border.........the thing is that, beeing the airport a disputed zone, GB and Gibraltar don`t want Spanish police at the customs of the airport because they see it as a resigantion to their sovereignty!
@TheCaptainSplatter
@TheCaptainSplatter Ай бұрын
There is a spot in US we should also cede to Canada.
@Starmer_Crushed_The_Far_Right
@Starmer_Crushed_The_Far_Right Ай бұрын
You wanted Brexit. You got Brexit. Here's some medicine. TASTE IT.
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is British territory. We have 14 overseas territory and a commonwealth comprising 56 countries of whom our King is head of state. We're not interested in being part of the EU 27 as it requires that power is taken away from the King and the British people and given to the EU parliament and EU commission. With English being the most spoken language in the EU, we were being flooded by people disproportionately and had a significant stagnation effect on wages, an inability to build the homes and infrastructure needed without being able to do anything other than guess at how many freeloaders we're supposed to accommodate, forcing up rents and house prices to unsustainable levels. When we had a referendum on joining the common market with 5 other countries in 1975 we didn't agree to a political union, for laws to be made elsewhere, to constantly be veto's by an ungrateful EU population, and as a last resort Cameron failed to get a better deal from the EU who didn't think we were serious about leaving, so we left. If we had simply been given a referendum on the Maastricht treaty (joining the EU) then we would have overwhelmingly rejected it as politicians at the time refused to give us the referendum. When they finally caved and gave us the referendum we voted to leave. The British people should never have been dragged in against our will in the first place, which is why we sent UKIP to the EU as the biggest party for over a decade while the EU refused to give us a referendum on exit. It's democracy in action to have left the EU. If you don't like it then you must be a Tory, as Cameron campaigned to remain. Only authoritarians and antidemocratic individuals ignore democracy when it doesn't suite them and demand another vote. See Trump, 1930's Germany, Russia, N Korea, etc. Re voting demographics, if it were just old people voting to leave then they would be like the Tories currently are, a complete electoral wipeout. There was only a very slight difference in age goups and cohorts. Lots of teenagers who had never voted before did so to leave, just as many elderly voted to remain. What's happening here is that an angry hard right of remoaners STILL don't accept democracy, which is the running theme of Trump supporters too. If you don't like democracy then you can either not vote, or you can move to an authoritarian country where you have no vote at all.
@dodgechance4564
@dodgechance4564 Ай бұрын
Such a childish vindictive comment. Another one of the reasons we decided to leave. Most of the continent never viewed us as European anyway, and I in many ways agree with the assessment. I'm certainly not amongst those who regret leaving the EU (although I wasn't quite old enough to vote in the referendum),
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@dodgechance4564 I don't want to be in a far right EU, thanks.
@dodgechance4564
@dodgechance4564 Ай бұрын
@@joshrichards608 What?
@iambicpentakill971
@iambicpentakill971 Ай бұрын
The people of Gibraltar overwhelmingly didn't want Brexit. Your comment makes no sense
@ab8588
@ab8588 Ай бұрын
The UK voted for closed hard borders with Brexit. Why are the people of Gibraltar crying for open borders.
@NCHLTII
@NCHLTII Ай бұрын
Because they voted for open borders silly
@VeinDeeplnTheSoIution
@VeinDeeplnTheSoIution Ай бұрын
Because Gibraltar only had 4% of their population vote in favour of Brexit. Only the vote in England counted, which was also the only one that was (slightly) in favour of Brexit effectively screwing over all the other countries in the UK.
@user-qs3rf4hh5n
@user-qs3rf4hh5n Ай бұрын
There is a reality check coming as a direct consequence of the Brexit decision the change of government in the UK and the perilous state of Gibraltar finances which cannot be postponed. To describe it as seismic would be an understatement.
@antoniolopez2322
@antoniolopez2322 Ай бұрын
@@NCHLTII But if Gibraltarians want to remain part of the United Kingdom they must accept what the population voted for. To start crying now about not being able to continue getting rich from the EU is childish. If they don't like it, they should secede from their Metropolis and integrate into Spain. If they don't want to, that's their problem, I don't care about that rock.
@user-qs3rf4hh5n
@user-qs3rf4hh5n 16 күн бұрын
@@ab8588 Like any spoiled child they're used to having it always their own way.
@CleverContrarian
@CleverContrarian Ай бұрын
I am not tired of Brexit, UK 🇬🇧 you reap what you sow!
@ehannasir8464
@ehannasir8464 Ай бұрын
don't you just love when 37% of a population just screws everyone over cuz they are super gullible
@biddyboy1570
@biddyboy1570 Ай бұрын
I'm not tired of not being EU. Enjoy Hungary's presidency.
@edipopplinger2078
@edipopplinger2078 Ай бұрын
Farage in the EU wasn't better. Good luck in your diaspora.
@chiccabay9911
@chiccabay9911 Ай бұрын
@@edipopplinger2078 When he could be bothered to turn up ;)
@user-yb7od7es4y
@user-yb7od7es4y Ай бұрын
If you are happy, why do you complain? Enjoy the empire you have left ....😂
@james.beesley
@james.beesley Ай бұрын
I was in Gibraltar for 2 weeks. The people there are unhappy. They want to be independent like Monaco, part of Spain or join Schengen. The country is so small and almost everyone travels across the border to work. Let the people there decide locally and not in London!
@RBurns-z7w
@RBurns-z7w Ай бұрын
The people of Gibraltar do not want to be part of Spain, ever.
@christopherbiggs4019
@christopherbiggs4019 Ай бұрын
Its the Spanish that cross the border as there is no work in La Linea.
@user-zv2ec3sm8p
@user-zv2ec3sm8p Ай бұрын
Easy: just rejoin Spain as an autonomous province! 🇪🇦
@biddyboy1570
@biddyboy1570 Ай бұрын
They don't want to because Spain is crap.
@jorgebarriosmur
@jorgebarriosmur Ай бұрын
I think, that if they integrated in Spain with a constitutional status similar to the Basks, almost nothing would change in their dayly life. What they CAN`T have, is belonging tp the UK, make no deal with Spain/The EU, AND keep all their actuall perks........ They have to chosse......
@iankingsleys2818
@iankingsleys2818 Ай бұрын
@@jorgebarriosmur why should they want to join with an inferior nation like Spain ?
@user-zv2ec3sm8p
@user-zv2ec3sm8p 10 күн бұрын
@@jorgebarriosmur Good observation
@andres1945
@andres1945 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN and most countries from the international community.
@xzaratulx
@xzaratulx Ай бұрын
come on .. just give it back to Spain. Can't be that valuable so close to the UK ...
@geoffpoole483
@geoffpoole483 Ай бұрын
It was ceded to Britain in the Treaty of Utrecht. The vast majority (over 90%) want Gibraltar to remain under British jurisdiction. It's also of strategic importance.
@omarw3314
@omarw3314 Ай бұрын
Spain should give Ceuta and Melilla back to Morocco first, and then the UK should give back Gib.
@yogarcia6066
@yogarcia6066 Ай бұрын
@@omarw3314 Ceuta and Melilla were never Morocco's to begin with.
@yogarcia6066
@yogarcia6066 Ай бұрын
@@geoffpoole483 The treaty has been violated several times already
@user-qs3rf4hh5n
@user-qs3rf4hh5n Ай бұрын
​@@omarw3314But Morocco is not a democracy. Have you no principles ?
@antonlopez5987
@antonlopez5987 Ай бұрын
The issue here is the UK agreed to first EU officials and then Spanish police taking care of the airport border control in that last minute deal, otherwise it would have not been accepted by the EU/Spain, and have been trying to renege on the deal ever since...Just as with the whole Brexit thing really, accepting stuff they don't like to get the deal over the line with no intention of honoring it.
@stephenpickering8063
@stephenpickering8063 Ай бұрын
That is the standard EU stance yes. They accept parts of agreements that suit them and break them when it suits them.
@user-qs3rf4hh5n
@user-qs3rf4hh5n 16 күн бұрын
@@stephenpickering8063 You know that's not true. Boris made a habit of it and his party went along with it. It was called selective compliance.
@ulical
@ulical Ай бұрын
This is a thorny issue because Gibraltar's existence is guided by the Treaty of Utrecht (1713), which gave the UK permanent control over Gibraltar. The treaty stipulates in no uncertain terms that, if Gibraltar's status within the Commonwealth changes, Spain must be given first refusal over control of the territory. Also, keep in mind that the Gibraltarians are mostly an ethnic mix of British, Genoese, Maltese, and Cypriot imports (with Spanish inputs as well) and not native to the area, which complicates the issue and adds to the colonialism narrative. So, to sum things up, legally speaking, Gibraltar's only option to maintain the current status quo is to remain as it is. Anything different cancels the treaty and would revert the territory back to Spain.
@NH-gw3vc
@NH-gw3vc Ай бұрын
They have the right to self determination under the UN Charter of Rights, no amount of Spanish complaining and crying will change that. If Gibraltar votes for independence they will get it.
@ulical
@ulical Ай бұрын
@@NH-gw3vc Are you dense? They do not have the right to self-determination seeing as they weren't present when the Treaty of Utrecht was signed and they're not an indigenous population. No amount of British complaining is ever going to eliminate those two facts. Self-determination...boy, that's a really rich argument...how did that work for you Brits in Rhodesia?
@nhoyle8609
@nhoyle8609 Ай бұрын
​@@ulical​ ha! Are the Spanish in Ceuta indigenous? I never knew that Spaniards grew up in Africa. The British don't need to complain, we already control Gibraltar and this is recognised by every country
@nhoyle8609
@nhoyle8609 Ай бұрын
​@@ulicalalso this post shows how uneducated you are. What has Rhodesia got to do with it? UK government decolonisation policy was no independence without black African rule. The UK did pursue this policy in Rhodesia which is why it tried to break away (and failed), and then voted for independence in a referendum when back under British control. Your argument is literally non-existent. Secondly, we Brits have already seen the way the Spanish act towards their regions. A country which until the 1980s was a dictatorship, and even beats up independence campaigners in Catalonia. Maybe you can look up to the UK and the way we dealt with the Scottish independence referendum - maybe you will learn something. Spanish actions in Catalonia just solidified why nobody in Gibraltar will ever vote to go under Spanish control.
@ulical
@ulical Ай бұрын
@@nhoyle8609 LOL... let's traffic in facts instead of hyperbole. One, the existence of Ceuta and Melilla isn't regulated by an international treaty. The Treaty of Utrecht states verbatim that, should HM's government wish to change Gibraltar's status, Spain must be given the right of first refusal. Two, Ceuta and Melilla were established by Portugal and Spain before the concept of "Morocco" even existed. Three, obviously you've never been to either enclave, otherwise you'd know that a significant proportion of each city's population is composed of North Africans with Spanish nationality. In addition, Ceuta and Melilla aren't Tahiti which constantly receives large numbers of people from continental France. The majority of the "Spanish" population has been there longer than the so-called "Gibraltarians." Four, funny how everyone trots out the old chestnut of Ceuta and Melilla to counter Spain's claim to Gibraltar but conveniently ignore Morocco's illegal occupation of the Western Sahara.
@pauloakwood9208
@pauloakwood9208 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is the last colony in Europe, an echo of an era when European empires conquered territories within Europe.
@hhydar883
@hhydar883 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar is a Spanish territory occupied by British afterall.
@Dynastone
@Dynastone Ай бұрын
Went to Gibraltar on a cruise and got denied entry into Spain due to not having return tickets or accommodation.
@2adamast
@2adamast Ай бұрын
That demonstrates Spain recognizes Gibraltar as a British territory.
@sobrevalorado
@sobrevalorado Ай бұрын
no, it demonsteates that you have not your papers in check
@Dynastone
@Dynastone Ай бұрын
@@sobrevalorado I had my passport and was only going to pop over for 30 mins
@EmisoraRadioPatio
@EmisoraRadioPatio Ай бұрын
@@Dynastone What were you thinking? You're entering Spain, not a part of the UK.
@Dynastone
@Dynastone Ай бұрын
@@EmisoraRadioPatio I’m allowed to enter Europe for 90 out of 180 days and I was on a cruise visiting Spanish ports with a day in Gibraltar.
@DiegoRodriguez-cs3yy
@DiegoRodriguez-cs3yy Ай бұрын
Reminder that the airport territory was illegally occupied when a yellow fever exploded in the rock, and that land was occupied for the ill, this territory it’s out of the initial legal territory, and still the UK has occupied since then, ofc it’s not gonna be easy for u, + being a fiscal paradise destroying the economy of the Spanish territory next to it, if any British is reading, this is the real reason why we care about the rock, not just bc we want it, it’s bc it affects negatively to the lifes of Spaniards.
@Aabergm
@Aabergm Ай бұрын
It's almost like leaving the EU is the worst decision the British government has made since the 1930s.
@diogorodrigues747
@diogorodrigues747 Ай бұрын
About to? From the Spanish side it seems already like an hard border for me. Last Sunday I went to La Línea, near the border with Gibraltar, and the situation there compared to a few years ago is very, very different.
@djkemaito9597
@djkemaito9597 Ай бұрын
Its a cesspit on the other side i lived there for 6 years and the difference in quality of life for locals is astounding. this whole thing is rooted in jealousy...
@diogorodrigues747
@diogorodrigues747 Ай бұрын
@@djkemaito9597 I mean, you're somewhat right - La Línea is way poorer than Gibraltar. You could say that La Línea (and the Bay of Algeciras in general) is like the European equivalent of Tijuana - lots of poverty, drugs and crimes. Meanwhile Gibraltar is one of the richest places on Earth, on GDP per capita figures. I simply couldn't get into Gibraltar because I don't have neither a passport nor a driving license to get into British territory.
@jonayz8655
@jonayz8655 Ай бұрын
@@diogorodrigues747 And haven't you ever wondered why it is so? Who handles the tobaco and drugs smuggling, who launders the money afterwards? Who would ever dare to create a company in el Campo de la Linea if they can enjoy 0 taxes in Gibraltar?
@jonayz8655
@jonayz8655 Ай бұрын
And why pateras never arrive to Gibraltar? Doesn't it look strange to you?
@insertusername56
@insertusername56 Ай бұрын
@@diogorodrigues747Dude, comparing in to Tijuana is a stretch. Some zones of La Línea and Algeciras may be more problematic than the average, but at the same time, the Campo de Gibraltar contains rich urbanizations such as Sotogrande or La Alcaidesa. There is a problem regarding drugs, but the whole zone is not like that.
@drumshero03
@drumshero03 Ай бұрын
So funny to hear British people complain about the lack of free movement that a hard border would bring to Gibraltar. Almost as if leaving the EU meant exactly that… British people always want to cut the cake and eat it too.
@eltebux
@eltebux Ай бұрын
UK should not have that territory to start with
@xergiok2322
@xergiok2322 Ай бұрын
Gibraltar has been British longer than it has ever been Spanish.
@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb
@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb Ай бұрын
@@xergiok2322 So the falklands have been way more spanish than they were british? come on
@markthompson180
@markthompson180 26 күн бұрын
Kind of like Ceuta and Melilla should not belong to Spain but to Morocco, I guess. But Spaniards never seem to want to talk about that.
@leothaz2921
@leothaz2921 24 күн бұрын
Those 2 places were spanish before morocco even existed as a country nor its ethnicity had settled that far north but Ok, same thing
@markthompson180
@markthompson180 19 күн бұрын
@@leothaz2921 - incorrect. The modern Moroccans are Moors. They are not a new nationality. The name may have changed but it's the same nation. Similar to how "Spain" used to be "Leon/Castille/Aragon/Catalonia"
@carlosfurukawa6133
@carlosfurukawa6133 Ай бұрын
Well, Gibraltar and Falklands never beer British. This is when imperialism goes wrong.
@kyzantia8884
@kyzantia8884 23 күн бұрын
Cry harder
@Elmaestrodemusica
@Elmaestrodemusica Ай бұрын
The Right in Britain cares as much about their citizens as the Right in the United States ....
@gaspernikl
@gaspernikl Ай бұрын
torries arent even right. illegal imigration exploded since the ttorrie years actually
@jorgebarriosmur
@jorgebarriosmur Ай бұрын
Or the right in Spain. If there is ever a right govement in Spain (backed by the far right) expect the border of Gibraltar simply to be closed. Tha fate od the people in la Linea? A necesary sacrifice! They could possibly even built a wall!!!
@Leelee-eu7je
@Leelee-eu7je Ай бұрын
There already is a hard border between Gib and Spain. I think what this video is referring to is the fact that Gib red card resident holders are not subjected to passport stamping for entry to Spain to ensure the 90 days in every 180 days rule is adhered to. To be red card holder you need to be born in Gib or resident for a minimum of 10 years. All other british passport holders resident get blue cards and are stamped every time in/out across the border, subject to the 90/180 days rule. EU residents get a green card and have full freedom of movement across the border both ways. From November new entry biometric machines will be operational requiring passport scanning, face scanning and fingerprinting. This is to remove the need to stamp passports for non EU citizens in/out to Spain. Currently Spain has remained silent on whether this will also apply to resident red card holders. If yes, expect reciprocal arrangements on the Gib side for Spanish cross border workers, shoppers and tourists.
@nicolasmarkham9656
@nicolasmarkham9656 Ай бұрын
Is the red card thing new? I left gib summer of last year and we didnt have that then. Or at least if we did I never bothered with it (I was there for 2.5 years). Usually i wouldnt get stamped at all going across the boarder, and there was always some furvour when the spanish did a bout of stamping people's passports lol
@joshrichards608
@joshrichards608 Ай бұрын
@@nicolasmarkham9656 No, you just ignored it.
@iambicpentakill971
@iambicpentakill971 Ай бұрын
Interesting, thank you
@Leelee-eu7je
@Leelee-eu7je Ай бұрын
Hi, it’s been the case for many years if you are a resident in Gib you will need to apply for a residents card. Without it you are not considered resident in Gib and therefore not entitled to any free NHS style healthcare from the GHA. Nor are you entitled to any other benefits such as free bud travel, free entrance to attractions and nature reserve. If you were here for 2.5 years you should have legalised your status by applying for residency. otherwise you are just considered a long term holiday maker with zero rights to anything.
@2adamast
@2adamast Ай бұрын
I guess Farrage is right, once Gibraltar in Shengen, British citizens can only stay 90 of 180 days in Gibraltar. Where Spanish the whole year.
@tomricketts7821
@tomricketts7821 Ай бұрын
Why on earth would Britain continue to have an interest in Gibraltar it’s not as if Britain has an Empire any longer and the need of a secure entrance into the Mediterranean
@Heneling
@Heneling Ай бұрын
People live there
@ab-ym3bf
@ab-ym3bf Ай бұрын
Delusions of empire.
@jooproos6559
@jooproos6559 Ай бұрын
Sjee!This should be arranged decades ago!Just let Gibraltar loose and make it Spain!Its idiotic to keep it Britain.!Let THEM speak about the terms and to their satisfaction become Spain!
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