Why The Ferrari 458 Italia is Maranello's Most OVERRATED Car

[@LifeatSpeed]

As someone who took delivery of a 458 less than 2 weeks ago as of typing this, of course the title of your video caught my eye. I completely agree with your comparison to the 430 Scuderia. I was originally shopping for a 430 Scuderia, but with the recent price trend of them as well as the potential cost for maintenance is why I went with the 458 and I have to say I couldn't be happier with it so far. As for whether or not the 458 itself is overrated? I have to disagree, I think it has been put on a very high pedestal and from that perspective could be considered overrated, but it has been rightfully put on that pedestal due to how great it truly is, and the 458 will only continue to age gracefully.

[@Fpvpilot928]

I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with you here, including Jay (I think the title is click bait). The 458 is adored by practically all.

[@brandonchism6960]

If you get a chance, I’d like to hear your thoughts on the new C8 Z06 compared to your 458. Congrats on the acquisition!!!

[@LifeatSpeed]

@@brandonchism6960 thank you! That is a topic I will likely cover on my channel. From a styling perspective the Z06 does nothing for me. I need to get my hands on one and see how it drives.

[@nerowolf8006]

How do you feel about the sound of the 4.5 from inside the car? Ive only ever heard these from outside so I cant determine if I agree or not with Jay’s opinion on the sound

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Being overrated is not the same as being bad

[@stepladder3257]

Weirdly enough, the lack of sidescoops is why I prefer this over 488 and F8

[@Gynra]

Me too!

[@jafooli]

It's the lines that pininfarina intended. 488 cuts these lines. 488 still looks amazing, but not as pure as original designed.

[@Rendaro]

Couldn't agree more. The lack of scoops gives the 458 a timeless elegance that will still be sought after decades from now. To my eye, the 488 looks like someone butchered a 458 with an after market bodykit from Alibaba.

[@judge831]

I love the scoops.

[@mcmh9523]

@@jafooli Can't agree more. The 458 was pure and perfect by itself - but the 488 introduced unnecessary design elements (yes, I know they were completely necessary from the engineering point of view) in order to make it look "new".

[@n0cturnalgamer]

Strong disagree with you here.... It has everything! - Power you can use 80% of on the road - Sound, incredible. Especially with a novitec - Looks! beautiful. - RELIABILITY! Never had a single issue in 20,000 miles and 7 years of ownership. - Price... I mean, what else can you get this good for £130k? Very little options compare -

[@dutoitm1]

650S for less.

[@karldergrosse-333]

Us yanks get jealous when we see a 458 going for £130k. A good 458 stateside is $220k+ easily.

[@SenszR]

@@karldergrosse-333 really? Sounds pretty unreasonable.

[@Gavin-oq5tt]

I agree with you here - but am always interested to hear another view point. I have a 458 together with a 348 and 550. The 348 is always the most engaging to drive - wonderful if you can take the top off too - but your exhausted after an hour or so. The 550 just makes you feel special, takes everything in its stride, cruising but also rewarding if you want to press on. But for me, the 458 is not for that short blast, but really comes in to its own on a longer (B road) journey and you can really get in to a rhythm. Maybe you need to live with it longer to appreciate what it can do?

[@johnguidetti5839]

@@dutoitm1 650s not as good.

[@TheZingoBreli]

Sorry to say that but you are most likely the only one in the world who complained about the sound of 458, I've had the 430/488/F8 and sold all of them but kept the 458, I respect your opinion and I'm not going to argue.

[@BmacRDX]

It sounds like a bear....a burning bear The 458 is is one of the very few modern Ferraris I'd own if I could.

[@plektosgaming]

A Ferrari that doesn't break every month and isn't 20K a year to keep running? Sign me up. :)

[@nicolasgoncalvespereira655]

"It sounds like a bear...a burning bear" Got the reference :) Also, Jeremy Clarkson really was madly in love with the 458 at the time, huh? 😄

[@JBsC6]

Sounded and looks pretty impressive to me.

[@kevinvanneste2500]

Sounds heavenly

[@detaart]

Sounds like a four cylinder

[@navyrotc2012]

@@detaart show me this 4 cylinder and I’ll buy it

[@SenszR]

@@detaart pretty much all flat plane V8s sound like 4 pots

[@ontheotherside3]

@@detaart eeewwww!! damn it, why did you have to say that?! now I can't hear it any other way... like a riced out civic... 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@damienlee1165]

This was peak Ferrari in my honest opinion. Pinninfarina left after or shortly after this car, and Ferraris styling went into the gutter until very recently with the 296. Shame this or the speciale never came with a stick.

[@RealExpertsPro]

I cringed when reading the title. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So, I won't fight anyone about opinions. Love your channel and would have watched the video regardless of the title, but hopefully, it gained you some new viewers and subs. I wish you much continued success in your KZbin channel growth. For the record, the 458 currently wears the crown for me. ❤️

[@TheVaultIsMine]

Very few cars are lauded over quite as much as this car was, it was incredible how generally well-received this car was

[@toddinthemiddle]

was the first ferrari that wowed me from a looks standpoint, as an actual adult. still looks beautiful. more than beautiful.

[@ElPolloDiablo666]

Biased obviously but I absolutely adore my 458. It’s the perfect sweet spot between analogue and modern, looks brilliant, useable in lots of different situations, faster than you’ll ever need, and pretty reliable too. As others have said, there’s nothing in the price bracket that appeals even half as much. Personally I love the sound and put it in my top 5 engine noises of all time. Amazed that you’re not a fan TBH Jay! I guess it’s one of those to each his own things, but my 458 is the only car I have that I can confidently say I’ll never sell (unless someone does me a deal on a Speciale that is!).

[@x8mrk]

I changed my 488 to a 458 early last year & have enjoyed every minute. I’m fortunate to own a scud also which is a different ownership experience & is tricky to compare in reality. I had an early 650, never again. Awesome car but to many issues meant I sold it & bought the scud which is the best thing I ever did. The 60k you save buying a 650 keep for rainy day maintenance!

[@jafooli]

What issues did you have? I have a 458, luckily no issues yet

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@jafooli He’s talking about the 650

[@jai2256]

I have a 2011 458 and absolutely love it. Around mid 2012 Ferrari adjusted the exhaust notes and for the most part got rid of the crackles. At the same time I owned a 2017 488 GTB and absolutely loved it. Did not sound as good as my 458 but was as good looking and much more smoother to drive. Oh ya and much faster but I believe the 458 is a better car for the road. 488 is just to fast for the road. I recently traded the 488 GTB for a Pista. The Pista is stupid fast but I love it. I will only sale my Italia for a Speciale...!

[@purple-porker-productions]

God I hate gel number plates. You would think that a ferrari owner would have more taste.

[@resnonverba137]

I'd say the F40 was the most overrated Ferrari. Awful build quality and an often difficult road car. An icon? Absolutely. An investment? Certainly. An automotive Van Gogh, perhaps?

[@clownworld-honk410]

True. Those panel gaps! Looks like a car someone knocked up in a garden shed. Don't understand the iconic status of the F40.

[@averagepal572]

You're forgetting one thing "Racecar"

[@cafe405]

The F50 exists, a car with a compromised engine nailed to your back, and due to a numbers, an even bigger investment vehicle and the F40 is the one in your firing line as overrated.

[@Sean-if7rp]

Automotive Picasso

[@Sean-if7rp]

@@cafe405 F50 was slated for decades. They’re worth a lot more than F40 because of rarity and the unique engine

[@juandanzilo9324]

Love the channel and thanks for the video. Here is my advice on doing a review P3: 1. Get a spider 2. Sample one with a Kline exhaust 3. Take it to a proper twisty mountain road. 4. drive in race only 5. Drive in manual only 6. Report back This cars greatest strengths (its breadth and versatility) can also be its weaknesses. Drive at 7/10s and up and you’ll see what this is all about.

[@MrGB1999]

Same for any Ferrari. But the 458 is the first Ferrari to just lack that visceral edge. It is, sadly, a little too refined, a little too artificial. A lot of it (imo) stems from its gearbox. There's a good reason why Lambo kept the single clutch in the Aventador.

[@jovar.3649]

Fight you, I will. I disagree highly, this is a legendary modern Ferrari, the only dispute for me is a manual F430 or this. How could you not be moved by the noise, and the turn of speed this has? It isn't perfect, but despite your objections, this car is still an object of desire; certainly over any 12C or 650S. If you haven't already, drive a 458 Speciale, and that will give you the fizz and the drama you're looking for.

[@colestacks3235]

@Richard Harrold I the the front end is fine but the rear is hideous

[@colestacks3235]

@Richard Harrold I hate the front fenders, they absolutely do not work well with the lines

[@adampetten5349]

@Richard Harrold deaf much? It sounds awesome. Turbo McLarens sound like appliances.

[@adampetten5349]

@Richard Harrold 12c doesn't obliterate it...and is crudely laggy

[@adampetten5349]

@Richard Harrold Can't argue about sound. Ferraris sound way better. You would get just as far telling me Slash has horrible tone. I sympathize with your impairment.

[@BrianCorish]

Having had a few Ferraris I have to respectfully disagree. Some of the points you make (lack of reward for hitting 9k rpm, exhaust bark - although this is easily fixed with a £250 aftermarket controller) I agree with, but perhaps I’m a bit older and can remember how much of a spaceship this was when it landed in 2009. The same cannot be said about the 355, 360, or 430. When the 355 was released, Porsche had the 993 Turbo, a car that would monster it in every dimension bar noise, similarly the 360 which the 996 Turbo would demolish without a second thought. 430 - 997. However with the 458 it took Porsche a full 4 years to even come close, and for sheer driving pleasure the McLaren was miles behind. The 650 again came a full 4 years later. To criticise the 458 for those issues compared to cars that took years of development just to be comparable is a bit unfair. Also two things make it near perfect - make it a Spider (solves the in cabin noise issue) and buy a IPE exhaust- makes even the 355 sound a bit tame!

[@MrGB1999]

Spaceship vs purity and timelessness. Isn't Lamborghini the place of spaceships? 🤔 The 458 is the first Ferrari that put refinement before raw, visceral pleasure. It made the car more usable, granted. But seriously, who is commuting or doing errands in these cars. Give me the old school sensations for those few perfect moments over "everyday" use.

[@BrianCorish]

@@MrGB1999 have you driven one? I have a few cars and I use my 458 spider more than any of them, including currently in the snow here in Switzerland. Emotion was a term previously used to excuse poor build quality. The 458 is in a different league to the 430 in terms of pure driving enjoyment.

[@BrianCorish]

And Lamborghinis were never built for people who genuinely enjoy driving, just those who like to be seen.

[@edgu71eg]

All the stats don't matter It looks badass

[@Snarfcat]

Sorry have to disagree, ugly for me

[@chir0pter]

No it doesn't, one of the worst mid-engined Ferraris

[@MrGB1999]

The 488 looks (way) more badass..

[@scuckplexity]

​@@chir0pter a Mondial exist

[@john1703]

A proper looking Ferrari has four round rear lights and a proper sounding Ferrari has 12 cylinders and four tail pipes, like a Daytona.

[@Nine9Three]

In a world of car reviews, JayEmm stands alone....literally.

[@ryanmichael7795]

His videos are far too long winded and i think hes watched too much jeremy clarkson growing up

[@grahamking4280]

@@ryanmichael7795 At times a very staccato delivery

[@denis-8613]

Hard to take someone who doesn’t really drive seriously

[@Emira_75]

@@denis-8613 who are you refering to?

[@jafooli]

He's also biased since he's justifying his decision to buy an F12 and 430 scud. So hard to admit the 458 is probably a more legendary car than both of them.

[@marfrandema1884]

You like the f355 because of the looks and sound. I like the 458 because of the looks and the v8. About the sound there were more restrictive noise db limitations when the 458 was produced. Also it's by far more likely most f355 are on aftermarket exhausts.

[@jurcicmax237]

Nope. F355 sound the best because it has itb. Instead of 2 tb.

[@marfrandema1884]

@@jurcicmax237 Maybe the 5 valves aswell got something to do aswell.

[@jurcicmax237]

@@marfrandema1884 true that.

[@kalmmonke5037]

lotus exige 430, evora 430, emira

[@288gto7]

@@jurcicmax237 meanwhile 4v twin throttle 348 sounds very similar to the 355 :)

[@rogeradshead5846]

Couldn't disagree more about the lack of side scoops: That's what MAKES this shape...emphasising the cab forward stance that Centro Stilo's turbo-required scoops entirely disrupt. The Maserati MC20 shows how that can be done so much better.

[@frenchbred2081]

I loved my 458 Italia it did most things well, was very civilised and could be driven daily if required as it was so easy to pilot in auto mode anyone could drive it. However flick the manettino and it changed character instantly! I should have kept it but I part exchanged it for the car I always wanted the 360 CS. Granted it’s slower, more clunky and the gearbox is nowhere near the 458 but the noise and the feeling of being more connected to the car wins you over. So I don’t think the 458 is over rated it’s great at what it does but there are other cars that stir the soul more.

[@MrGB1999]

..and when you consider that you can mod a 360 Modena to be quite close to a CS (but less stiff - a good thing), then I'd question why people need to spend £135k when they could spend £50k + mods.. 👀

[@frenchbred2081]

@@MrGB1999 it’s quite close but not quite the real thing. I have a spider modified to Stradale spec( as close as possible) to go with my Stradale but on a normal road with a good driver the spider isn’t really any slower in real world terms. It’s like saying is the Speciale much faster or better than the Italia. It is but for the money difference you will probably have just as much fun in the cheaper car. It’s still a Ferrari at the end of the day.

[@ShinySenpai]

Each to their own to be honest, I've owned many modern sports and supercars, 458 was something very special to me, it was so special I worked my butt to get the Speciale which is now my all time favourite. For now.

[@nagylevi3827]

When JayEmm complains about a car not being perfect, you just know he's driving a good one, regardless of the niggles. I want it more now ...

[@Madness-te7dr]

Hope you get a chance to drive the Speciale, would love to see your take on it. Maybe it will be the best of the lot, or also overrated?

[@Kyuzeth]

That'd be a curious thing to see, especially since James was lukewarm on the 360 Challenge Stradale, to say the least.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

But I was also not in love with the F430

[@garyjford]

Owned two 458’s; a 2011 car and 2013 car, both Italia’s. Preferred the earlier car, which was more aggressive in sound- the 2012 upgrades softened this and the gearbox changes in race mode. The car was wonderful, but just never missed it once gone. Actually to me the most disappointing element was the flat plane engine sound. It’s was just a noise that got louder the higher you revved the engine. No depth or changes to it and certainly not a patch on earlier V8 Ferraris (the engine itself was wonderful in operation though). The inability to drive the car on a constant throttle at motorway speeds drove me nuts I.e. it was always either on or off the throttle. This was only ever fixed with the 488 onwards… Personally wouldn’t have another one and the game has moved on somewhat since. Always think the comments and support of this car was a bit ‘Emperors New Clothes’ - being blasphemy to criticise the greatest ever sounding V8. Na, not for me; if you really what the greatest engine, then buy yourself a pre GPF 812SF…. Mines not going anywhere soon (god willing)…. Edited to add, I’d definitely have another 488 over a 458; that’s was a car I still miss and wish I hadn’t sold.

[@MrGB1999]

Agree except any argument that favours the V12. 90s / early 00s Ferrari V8s is the best exhaust note (and intake sound) of them all.

[@alvaro1728]

"Lacking what I'm looking for"... you're an automotive journalist, you're jaded, you'll always have something to complain about whether you care to admit it or not. Complaining about a car that most everyone loves creates controversy and therefore increases views and subscriptions. Well done. The 458 is a sexy and exhilarating package on 4 wheels with its share of quirks, some of which can be taken care of with aftermarket mods. The 650S is just another quiet, boring, and unreliable McLaren that's great at going very fast for a highly depreciated price (before factoring in the required extended warranty). It will never be the last naturally aspirated mid-engined V8 supercar that revs to 9000 RPM. Maybe in a couple of years when you do yet another 458 review, you'll come to understand why they're still so loved.

[@DrEhsanJadoonPodcast]

Totally disagree that 458 is overrated. I think no one is qualified to make such remarks about 458 ( or any other car for that matter) without actually owning it, living with it and driving it over a period of time. And, having the privilege/opportunity of owning multiple super cars from various manufacturers at the same time, to be able to compare them with the 458 Italia. There is no other Ferrari out there which ticks the boxes which the 458 does: 1- Last Pininfarina Designed V8 Ferrari. Regarded by most Ferraristas as one of the best looking modern Ferrari to date. 2- Last Naturally Aspirated V8 by Ferrari, revving up to 9000 rmp. 3- Cult Following globally 4- V8 Sound 5- Build quality far better than any previous Ferrari. Period. 6- More drivable than ANY previous Ferrari . Period. 7- Excellent Factory warranty and 7 year free service plan. Better than anything Ferrari had offered for previous models 8- F1 Technology etc etc etc. If Ferrari 458 Italia is not a better car in every single aspect, than any of its predecessor than is it the 488 GTB? or F8 Tributo? I know what most of my car friends think about the turbo charged Ferraris based upon the 458 Platform...

[@IndependenceCityMotoring]

Sound, looks, reliability. Haven't driven one so can't comment on the driver engagement/emotion. But based on the first 3 alone, its a winner.

[@15DEAN1995]

i always wondered why the more modern ferrari v8s didnt sound quite right. ive always loved the 355 and 360 for their sounds but the later cars dont quite hit in the same way. it reminds me of when you were talking about a ferrari v12 (mightve been a 599) ages ago and how the exhaust needed to be set up as a 6 into 1 to get that epic v12 sound which you expect.

[@supraman2755]

355 and 360 have 5 valves per cylinder while 430 and 458 have 4

[@garycartwright4860]

Sit inside one and tell me it doesn’t sound good

[@Snarfcat]

@@garycartwright4860 I have they all sound terrible

[@coolguy_2997]

You can get whatever sound you like from a great variety of aftermarket exhausts - plus can save a lot of weight if you pick a titanium or inconel one

[@288gto7]

@@supraman2755 yeah, however the 348 has 4 valves but sounds very similar to the 355. the thing is same v8 was used from 308 towards 360 with few changes but at its core its same engine. The 430 switched to a completely new v8 from the previous belt driven family and was modified a bit for the 458 which also uses same core engine. Then another completely new v8 was also designed for 488, the second gen v8 lived a very short life about 11-12 years meanwhile the first gen lived for around 23 years

[@christschool]

The only part of the review I agree with the rear view from the 458, it is not very good. If you buy one, get the back up camera. Otherwise, Jay is way off on everything else.

[@mala6238]

Perfect design. Perfect sound, N/A engine. One of my all time favorite Ferrari.

[@fastaussie]

could not agree more...

[@augustortiz]

I gotta disagree with this one. My best friend has one and this is definitely one of the most emotional cars I have ever sat in. He put a full carbon manifold + exhaust and this car is just next level.

[@winstonmace4865]

Its my favorite post 2000 mid engined V8 Ferrari.Styling is less fussy and overall drive experience is just incredible.Only major criticism is placement of the battery behind the footwell on the passenger side.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

A true youtuber always looking and going to greater heights for his audience once he decimated Abarth fans he set his sights on bigger and better goals. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

[@GeeMilner]

After having a coupe and now a spider, I have to say if anything it's underrated and people don't realise how bloody amazing this car is. Perfect mixture of modernity with some old school naturally aspirated heaven thrown into the mix.

[@2006Vantage]

“It doesn’t really excite” sums it up well. A few years ago I was certain that this was going to be my first Ferrari until I drove a couple. I felt less of an emotional connection to it than my other sports cars in the garage and left the experience feeling flat and wanting something else. Some friends pointed to the Scud and within the first mile I knew it was the car for me. If the 458 was my only sports car, it would be the more capable and better all rounder. But for those fortunate to have other options, it just isn’t a special enough experience.

[@richardpatton2502]

This is called “car reviewer disease”…they all suffer from it sooner or later All the best to everyone

[@geoffsaunders4960]

Bizarre comment on the looks. the vast, vast majority reacted to the 458 with relief that they had gone back to building really good looking, beautiful cars after the dog's breakfast that was the 430: a cra that only looks passable from one angle, and downright ugly from most.

[@Sean-if7rp]

Some have the complete opposite opinion

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I don't think saying the F430 is ugly (I agree) is the same as the 458 being beautiful

[@judge831]

I wish I could say I own a 355, but sadly I can only afford it's JDM tribute, the Mk2 Toyota MR2 turbo. Some say it's the best driver's car (for the money).

[@eze8970]

Thanks J, over or underrated, I don't think many people would say no to that car! 🙏🙏

[@Geeoorgey]

Does anyone else feel put off by JayEmm ‘s video titles? Always on the negative side rather than positive - always! About cars that others love/rave about. I’m assuming just click bait to get views with controversial titles but for me it actually puts me off watching someone searching for the negative aspect.

[@rizzrazz]

100%. Totally nonsense opinion from someone who thinks what they say is hallowed gospel! Absolutely wrong on all accounts on this car. Universally favoured and loved, the 458 is an iconic modern Ferrari.

[@AntoniusTyas]

That Giallo Triplo Strato paint. Man, it's gorgeous. I found myself going head over heels with this kind of multi-layered yellow. Giallo Triplo Strato, Giallo Orion, AMG Solarbeam and so forth. They are gorgeous.

[@tg14764]

Took me 2 years until I found a 458 in Giallo Triplo Strato, worth the wait, but damn they're hard to find in the used market. It's my favorite ferrari color by far.

[@AntoniusTyas]

@@tg14764 no surprise, triple-layer paints are expensive. I remember TopGear did a twin test between 458 and 12C. The 458 got the Giallo Triplo Strato paint, quoted at GBP11k. That was 2011.

[@fabiocene]

I always thought the 458 sounded great. And I still do.

[@myou6675]

Great video, I do like the 458 and my dream garage would consist of a Speciale along with an F12 tdf. Car Guys videos may have played a part in that…

[@judge831]

I've actually come to prefer the bassy sound of a turbocharged or supercharged engine but only if they aren't choked out by a closed air box and recirculating bypass valve. I love to hear whine of a supercharger and the turbo spool and discharge to atmosphere with a blow off valve but not if it has that chu chu sound of the air going backwards against the compressor wheel.

[@mmtot]

The only problem with the 458 is the lack of them in a nice blue colour.

[@TheLEMRR]

If Ferrari offered the 458 with a manual transmission when in production, it would be regarded as one of their very best offerings ever, at any price point. The likely few that would've been outfitted with such a transmission would already be demanding an eye-watering premium vs. the original price as-new. Either way... I love this car just the way it is.

[@chrisdunderdale]

The fact it doesn't have any scoops is the reason I think this is the most recent best looking ferrari. Its been downhill from here. And look at them now? Awful.

[@Emira_75]

THIS CAR IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY FOR ME, ITS THE PRETTIEST CAR EVER MADE, THE LAST NA FERRARI V8, MY CHILDHOOD IN A CAR still here for opinion tho Jay

[@v6clio22]

The problem is the 458 Italia is the perfect everyday Ferrari. Reliable, adaptable and with low maintenance. If I could own just one Ferrari it would be the 458 and in a spec similar to the one you just drove 👌

[@MrGB1999]

Low maintenance... Don't kid yourself! They can attract very, very hefty bills.

[@v6clio22]

@@MrGB1999 they are low maintenance compared to what came before. It's only in the event something goes wrong which is quite rare you'll be paying Ferrari prices, unless you have a good warranty in place.

[@oscarzt1652]

12:58 what is the "this thing"?

[@BigBoy-ql5rn]

Never trust someone who doesn't like the 458.

[@isthatujeebus]

Depends what you want from your Ferrari, but look at it. Just LOOK AT IT!!! 😍😍😍 Admit it, you can see Tom Selleck drifting away from a standstill in one of these.

[@markwilliams5654]

Gel plates are illegal

[@brianiswrong]

At 18:25 it shows a heated front and rear screen, does it have a heated screen? Or does it just turn on the blowers and direct any heat to the screen?

[@supercaradventures2219]

Excellent review James. I got to drive the 458 for many laps around Dunsfold where I was encouraged to drive it quite hard, at the time I thought it was the best car I had ever driven, which it was in all fairness. We purchased a 12c as the 458 was out of our budget(I still think they command a price way way more than they are worth), after driving the 12c I personally think it smashes the 458 in every department, it has a much more luxurious interior, it’s considerably quicker, it’s more comfortable to drive, has good storage(similar to the 458) and it’s never going to beat the 12c on a track. I do think the 458 sounds good though and I also think it’s a very good looking car from the outside. If they were available for say 50k less than what they are fetching now, then I think they would be an excellent choice or worth looking at, but as you do rightly say there are much better cars out there for the money, the 650 being one but also I would also say the 12c and by a good stretch too.

[@christschool]

The 12 c is trash.

[@supercaradventures2219]

@@christschool everybody is entitled to an opinion 😉

[@TheZingoBreli]

Why he didn't mention anything about the reliability of the 458 engine and the Maclaren?

[@benpenagonzales6014]

I absolutely love the 458 having had a test drive round the back lanes near goodwood. However - they aren't good value rising in price well above £100k!

[@davidbattye7636]

Much prefer yellow than red

[@joshuaholman7760]

All the best Ferraris colors are never red. A red Ferraris is too contrived and played out at this point.

[@sh-hg4eg]

Verde

[@freddaniali]

Jay, the 458 in its stock form does not measure up to the 430 Scuderia in some respects; however, with only a few mods you could hit this car way out of the ballpark! It's not the fastest thing on the road, but it does have character. Thanks for mentioning Damian and his drive every Ferrari quest, I love his channel!

[@nerowolf8006]

Which mods elevate the car in your opinion?

[@jafooli]

@@nerowolf8006 I've owned 2. The carbon seats on the 2nd made it feel like a different car. Feels more track focused.

[@nerowolf8006]

@@jafooli thanks for the reply. Thats not really a mod though right? Can it be retrofitted or does one need to find a car that had that option originally

[@jafooli]

@@nerowolf8006 Yeah, not a mod. Can be retro'd, but apparently it will mess with the electrics. I just swapped to another car with better spec.

[@nerowolf8006]

@@jafooli makes sense

[@RumblestripDotNet]

Coming up soon, Does the 458 Spyder fix all my issues with the 458?

[@jameswillard1]

No, it just adds weight, rattles, and chassis flex🤦🏻‍♂️

[@RumblestripDotNet]

​@@jameswillard1 It's not a Maserati GranTourismo, at any speed not going to jail immediately you wouldn't notice any scuttle shake. Is your butt dyno so finely tuned you can notice a 2% increase in weight with 570 horsepower on tap? What better way to enjoy the sound of a Ferrari than not to engulfed in a cage, but hear it al fresco.

[@jordanhennessey9882]

Ok we will meet at Stonehenge and fight to the death

[@fastaussie]

could not disagree with you more. i've driven the 458 and 488 (and all the rest) many times, including back-to-back. while the 488 is much faster, the 458 is the perfect streetcar of all time. there is none better...

[@JM00-v9c]

Is this the one filmed by stowe? Been waiting for this! My mate said “ he saw some bloke in a layby in a Hawaiian shirt with a camera and a yellow Ferrari “ 😂

[@12pagani]

Just finding out that after the 458, Ferrari did their styling in-house definitely explains some things. The 458 is just so proper and elegant but subtle to its sporting credibility. The cars that came after are just to fussy and aggressive looking. If I wanted a aggressive and crazy styled Italian car, I’d go for a Lamborghini. Ferrari has lost the classy elegance that really made their cars stand out. The Roma is a good attempt though and the 812 is a very good looking front engined v12 gt

[@GeorgesJoseph-q9h]

I just test drove a 2013 458 couple days ago and I totally agree with you. Although it’s a very nice ride but it didn’t get me as excited as I was hoping. The dealership is calling me back to come get the car but I am having 2nd thought.

[@acskls]

Hmm not sure I agree sorry. Been in a few 458,s and spoke to lots of owners. I know a 488 owner who sold it and got a 458 because he preferred it. Great cars. They sound epic under acceleration. Handle brilliant.

[@Marcustx23]

I own a 458 Italia. Love it. But I don’t begrudge your opinion. To each their own. You don’t feel the same way I do. That’s what makes markets. If we all loved the 458, the world would be a boring place. I enjoy your channel. Carry on.

[@Rgh71fish]

Purist here, and imo ANY sports/super car that doesn't have 3 pedals is overrated. The last truly timeless Ferraris were the 550/456/360 generation of cars. Not just in looks, but because real manual transmission cars were still far more common and not outright unavailable. A big part of what made these types of cars so cool and exclusive to me back in the day was that it took more than just money to own and drive one. You had to know how to drive. I remember being a kid and hoping that I'd do well at learning to operate a manual transmission so that I could one day drive my dream cars. The fact that that is gone forever makes these things entirely uninteresting to me, outside of some video entertainment, for which I thank you JayEmm!

[@cyuiyuwyguiyui]

Its underrated.. The 458 was a orgasm Edit: (still is) on wheels when it came out..

[@jo05dk]

21:15 - 21:26 Whoops :) When the 458 was introduced, and Clarkson drove it on TopGear, i went through the motions, being excited because "new Ferrari". ..but it never actually got a hold of me, like the 355 especially, but also the 348, 360 and slightly less the 430. ..and since then it only got worse, with the turbocharged engines. I see it this way: The older Ferraris were build for people who love cars, care about the soul of a car, the experience aso. The 458 onwards are build for those who want to be fast, where soul, or the experience besides being fast, is secondary or lower on the list of priorities.

[@fystro77]

458 is the last of the greatest Ferraris. Bashing on this is like seriously lack of taste.. the last NA v8 , that really revs, the grin this makes on your face 🤩🥰 The 430 has nothing on this.. nothing!!!

[@7736164]

no, the Ferrari 458 is not overrated. It's a naturally-aspirated prancing horse gem. And the McLaren MP4-12C is the correct comparison to the 458, as they were both launched at a similar time. The McLaren 650S was launched in 2014 when Ferrari were about to launch the 458 Speciale. The standard 458 Italia wipes the floor with a 12C and gives the 650S a good run for its money.

[@costafilh0]

This and the 488 to me are among the most beautiful Ferraris ever! Most say the Speciale is the one to get over the stock. I never tested any of them. But I would still buy it because I hardly believe it's bad and just because of looks and because it's the last NA V8 Ferrari! 250 GT Lusso 430 Spider Manual 458 Spider Portofino 812 GTS Purosangue La Ferrari Aperta All on my list! 😅

[@Sonny_JC]

I love the 458 its my dream car but i do get why some people do not but i just L.O.V.E it💯💯💯

[@F8Tributo]

I remember when the 458 hit the showrooms- I stopped in on a lark to look at one, and surprisingly, I fit in it! (Being 6' 4" limits what I can drive) So years later, I bought it's great grandchild, the F8 Tributo!

[@RedLP5000S]

For me, the 458 Italia ties the F355 as Ferrari's greatest mid engined V8 supercar EVER. ✌🏻🇮🇹

[@fezcap]

This is the most accurate response here

[@flavioc5389]

To me it’s one of the greatest super cars of all times!! 😍

[@bigrobsydney]

J, you bring up the 650, but I would ask the question; how is it dealing with the company for things like warranty, etc? I understand from previous videos that you haven't exactly been 100% happy with Maclaren.

[@davidthomas1424]

I predict 348 prices shifting. I think it's such a beautiful car, and sounds great too. In terms of styling, I thought the 458 was the next beautiful Ferrari. I'm trying to remember whether J reviewed the Speciale. Well done to J for questioning what many had accepted as Gospel.

[@sqd8r]

If you are not a fErrari devotee, where you think all Ferrari's are great, you will understand the significance of this car. By far, the best looking Ferrari in the last 20 yrs.

[@pereldh5741]

Of all youtubers I’d guess you’d be the one saying this, yes. 😊 On the steering, are u sure all cars had the exact correct toe/alignment? Just some mm’s off makes a world of difference, and of ALL 2nd hand cars I’ve bought NONE had the correct toe.

[@BigUriel]

Tyres also make a massive difference. Bothers me a bit how reviewers never mention this. A car with great steering can feel like shit if it's not aligned properly or has crap tyres. Also in older cars you have to consider how worn all the steering and suspension bushes might be. It's like complaining about brake feel on a car with some Halfords brake pads and 15 year old brake fluid.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I do believe the cars alignment had been done recently, and it was on PS4S I am sure. I will mention tyres if I think they are to blame but here they are not. The issue is that the power steering has too much assistance at too high a speed - only beyond 70 does it weight up but I want that at 50

[@pharaohgamma3931]

Why do you need a 4 point safety harness seat belt for the Ferrari 458 Italia with the carbon fibre seats?

[@garycartwright4860]

The reason it’s not exciting you is because you keep short shifting it. It loves revs. Just about every car you test, you semi give it some and potter around on engine braking. You need a bit of private road or a track to get a proper idea of what this thing can do. I’ve drove one of these and absolutely rung it’s neck. It’s most alive at the top of the rev range.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

You're making the assumption because you didn't see it that I didn't do it

[@neblolthecarnerd]

For me I love this car because of childhood nostalgia. A car I always chose in games and a car that was the poster child of the one mobile game I played way too much on my iPod touch, asphalt 6.

[@narennarismulu1942]

I have been very fortunate to be a 458 Italia owner since 2011 , bought new. Over 60 000 km done , including multiple track days. Incredible driving machine , excellent reliability , no major issues. The only car I would change it for is the Speciale. Overall score 10/10.

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[@switchlanez]

I'd like to see you review a C8 Corvette and compare it to the 458 which the C8 dev engineers used as their benchmark.

[@KotomiP]

In the US/China/Korea/most of South East Asia it is perhaps more forgiving, but in the UK/most of Europe/Japan/Hong Kong, you basically become a butler or a custodian once you buy a Ferrari, you need the perfect service record from designated shops, and need historian/curator level of knowledge to be able to pass your car to the next buyer and/or stay associated with Ferrari, perhaps I'm a bit exaggerating, but you get my gist

[@jayfxdx]

I really enjoy your perspective and rather unbiased opinions on these next level cars but stating that the MP124c/650s is a better value/buy than a 458 is really stretching it, to be polite!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I welcome the response, but please share your logic :)

[@dhanu_4539]

Would love to see your opinion on the 296. Some people seem to think it's the successor to the 458

[@raklert1]

I have to agree with Jayem. The 458 power plants gives you no more juice after 8000 rpm. And the car does not feel planted at the rear as it should be.

[@MVD792]

The most clickbated title i have ever seen

[@purple-porker-productions]

The most? You must be new to the internet.

[@thomasparkins6749]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[@sh-hg4eg]

@@thomasparkins6749 this is one of the most ridiculous modern sayings.

[@aquenture]

Just subscribed you get the format perfect.

[@Paul-D]

Thanks for saving me a 5ver on carvertical. Cleared up a finance issue on a car were looking at

[@flyinghedgehog3833]

Scud is a hard act to follow. I'd have a manual 430 as a contender keeper.

[@computerhelpcc]

Quite a surprise this is. Yikes, I mistakenly thought the acclaim from those who owned or had driven them for days (not a few laps in Las Vegas) was consistently positive. Thanks for the comments from those qualified.

[@mg-by7uu]

As a former 458 owner I have to agree. This is why: 1. You cannot drive the car smoothly. The throttle mapping on the car is terrible and the DCT shifts like a student driver. 2. Every gear is lurchy like 1st gear in a real manual. 3. The build quality is terrible. Dash peels, knobs fall off, buttons stick, etc. 4. It really doesn't sound good stock. Not only is the exhaust note bad but it has automatic valves that silence the car below 3k RPM. Expect to pay 15k+ for an exhaust and tune to make it sound like a Ferrari. 5. Values are *insane* . If the car cost half as much it might be worth it but you can get much better cars for the money

[@oldhairpin]

I remember that Vicky Butler-Henderson was almost moved to tears when she drove it on 5th Gear or Top Gear.

[@ascorbic123]

My personal preference is the 360, prefer ferraris to look curvy and elegant than overly aggressive.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

The 360 has aged very well

[@kalmmonke5037]

previous generation prius TRD in japan stiffens chassis, suspension etc to improve how much speed can be carried around turns without fishtailing as easily. consider doing such a thing except with a communicative steering , same with brakes and maybe even pedal, to allow knowing how close to grip limit one is so he can learn to steering steadily and minimize braking while doing it steadily, for longevity of fuel, engine oil, hybrid battery, tires, brakes, etc. consider the new cheaper but also pearl white prius prime, then a ttoyota trueno corolla ae86 paint job similar to the one from the popular anime story, which is about a guy who tries making fun with his front wheel drive easily affordable box in his delivery job. hand painted black letters appaerance liek the ones on that car, maybe with a lack lower area with a wrap, just as a reference to that concept except with a bit more of a art appeal within bounds of simplicity.