Why the Jedi Plan to Assassinate Count Dooku Was a Terrible Idea

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[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Anakin: Fine. I'll do it, myself.

[@isaackim7675]

Also Anakin, “I shouldn’t.” (Seeing a disarmed Dooku) Palpatine, “Dew it!”

[@neutralbychoice3584]

Thanokin Skywalker.

[@linc4394]

That’s a marvel meme not star wars

[@bretthansen3739]

@@linc4394 That's the joke.

[@justincameron9661]

Pulls out the infinity lightsaber

[@Oppai264]

The Jedi literally went from "Keepers of the peace." To Soldiers of the Republic in less than a week. The fact that such a religious organization that was so vocal about the Living Force being within every being as well as peace throughout the galaxy would immediately resort to an assassination attempt and several hits on Count Dooku is a very drastic character change.

[@animosital1645]

Well their decision to assassinate Count Dooku wasn't something they tried immediately when the Clone Wars Started. The idea was proposed pretty late into the war, given the context of Dark Disciples, and even then, a notable number of Council members weren't willing to go along with the plan, but eventually caved in. People aren't going to go from diplomats to assassins in the span of a few days.

[@robertnelson9599]

It also does not help that the Jedi are extremists.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

The militarization of the Jedi was the fundamental last straw that finally broke the Jedi Order. When they should have been the neutral arbiters of peace in the galaxy, they were the generals of an army protecting a Republic that they knew was flawed and corrupted. The Jedi knew what they were doing had the fingerprints of the Dark Side all over it, but -because of politics, they continued down the path to their own destruction.

[@galixar5981]

Far from the most drastic character change in Star Wars Canon sadly

[@920utdoors9]

Like Crusaders

[@Ben-Ken]

It never made sense to me that they would send a single Jedi below Dooku's level of power to assassinate Dooku.

[@GenerationTech]

I think it’s because they wanted someone who could get close to asajj ventress who knew dooku well

[@Ben-Ken]

@@GenerationTech that means, deep down, they knew that Quinlan Vos was a playa that might have to seduce Ventress. Another little dance around the Jedi code by the council. LOL

[@aacm1259]

@@Ben-Ken Obi Wan did advice Quilan to flirt with Ventress.

[@lotusinn3]

@@Ben-Ken Having sex isn’t against the Jedi Code anyways, so it works out.

[@lotusinn3]

@Mackenzie Bauroth Obi-Wan? Didn‘t he get destroyed everytime they fought?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I always wondered why Ventress never showed up in Clone Wars Season 6 & 7. Now I know why.

[@gitegenor9785]

that assassination plot really pointed out how much the Jedi were obsessed with eradicating the dark side instead of trying to become balanced individuals

[@jonathan4158]

The use to be Peacekeepers until the Clone Wars broke out. The Jedi they use to be are now their former selves. Barriss Offee said so herself during Ashoka trial.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Count Dooku was too dangerous to be left alive.

[@isaackim7675]

Dooku, “Allow me to introduce to you my Master.”

[@Ben-Ken]

Windu was right about Dooku and Sidious. Shoulda killed em.

[@rc59191]

He was too dangerous to be dangerous.

[@indianajones4321]

Anakin: I missed the part where that’s my problem

[@aacm1259]

Dark Diciple is such a good book, such a shame that Disney cancelled Clone Wars as it was supposed to be a big part of season 6.

[@GenerationTech]

Are we sure the clone wars would’ve done it justice?

[@Kerberlos]

Just because you didn't loot the Jedi temple to get that lightsaber, doesn't mean it wasn't looted from the jedi temple by Ownasaber, or it wasn't looted from the corpse of a jedi not in the temple.

[@fulcrum8221]

I believe that the Jedi do not want to eliminate emotions, but rather that emotions do not dominate them. It's different from Buddhism... The Jedi knew that they would suffer, get angry, love, etc... but these emotions will have to be dominated, passions can not dominate a jedi.

[@robertnelson9599]

The Jedi are not supposed to form attachments. Whether or not they feel emotion does not change that the Jedi are taught to be sociopaths from a young age.

[@fulcrum8221]

@@robertnelson9599 I don't think they are sociopaths... do you think they would choose sociopaths as the heroes of a movie like Star Wars?

[@aacm1259]

@@robertnelson9599 no, they are taught that as jedi they hold a great deal of personal power, and as such it is important they don't act out of passions because it can lead to catastrophic events. If someone gets incredibly angry the might punch a wall or punch someone, if a jedi gets angry they can explode a building. So yeah they are taught to be peaceful and if they do get angry to not set on any actions but to first quite their mind and find a more rstional solution.

[@chexwarior]

@@fulcrum8221 it wouldn't be the first time a story portrayed someone (or an organization) who would be deeply flawed if they were real, but either because the story is only "from a certain point of view" or because the plot calls for only the best outcomes rather than what would realistically happen if a certain personality type were present, then they are the "hero" of the story.

[@fulcrum8221]

@@chexwarior Yes, I think that's what happened with Anakin: The story was successful because all human beings make mistakes, in different scales of gravity but mistakes at the end. The good thing about this story is that every mistake can be redeemed, if not outwardly at least in the heart of the human being, reaching self-forgiveness and deciding to do things right. In real life despair is usually the conclusion of big mistakes; but in fiction they show you that one can learn even from failures (as Yoda says). The important thing is not to stay on the ground but to get up, hence the heroism.

[@onliwankannoli]

“Be careful at your highest ground, that’s when the Dark Side comes for you.” ~Jedi Master Denzel “Slap me down and I shall become more popular than you can possibly imagine.” ~Obi-Rock Krisobi “Love makes you do things some consider to be… unnatural.” ~Darth Entanglement

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

1:08 damn that was sneaky 🤣 took me a moment but I laughed out loud

[@Lazarus1095]

If you didn't read the early Clone Wars-era comics from Dark Horse, you probably won't know just how big a role Quinlan Vos had in the Star Wars universe before the Clone Wars cannon got re-written by the CGI animated series. There was a time when the Star Wars comics pretty much revolved around him. He was THE most popular and well-written Jedi character around, and for good reason. That guy when through hell and back during the Clone Wars, and actually managed to survive both the pull of the dark side AND Order 66. I always wondered if he made it to the Empo]eror's death at the Battle of Endor.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The Jedi were correct in believing that Dooku was irreplaceable to the CIS. Leaders like him do not come around often. Very few have the innate ability to govern and inspire at a level like that. It is unfortunate that the Jedi never fully used his full potential, and that Sidious perverted his abilities for evil.

[@jr.smiththehennessygod2249]

I like the subtle support he shows for Ukraine with the picture on the tv, the sky and pains look like the 🇺🇦 flag.

[@damarglover6363]

This isn't the first time that the Jedi has sent a strike team with kill or capture orders for an enemy leader, they did it to Revan, they did it to Malak, valkorian, against Darth cadeus and Darth kraykt. They were all leaders of governments who were threats that needed to be stopped however possible

[@dakotalane7983]

Can't forget The Jedi Knight from TOR's main goal was murdering Vitiate and causing The Empire to collapse. Edit: The base, vanilla story before the expansions, obviously.

[@damarglover6363]

@@dakotalane7983 isn't he and valkorian the same person

[@dakotalane7983]

@@damarglover6363 They are two of three personalities belonging to Tenebrae, I was simply referencing that the main point of the CHOSEN JEDI KNIGHT in TOR [supposed pinnacle, by in-game descriptions, of what it meant to be Jedi at the time] is to (unsuccessfully) assassinate Vitiate. The Valkorion persona was just his most dangerous and powerful itteration that became everyone's problem and wasn't really an assassination, just open war on Valkorion himself.

[@JettQuasar]

If you take a shot at the king, you better not miss!

[@justincameron9661]

Imagine a lightsaber using an infinity stone as a power source?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

The Jedi loss their way. Unlike Zuko from Avatar.

[@cyrussoltani9420]

But he found it again...

[@kingad8869]

Unlike Ryuko Matoi.

[@marcbartuschka6372]

Since the Republic and Jedi did in the past even cooperated when it comes to genocide, I would say it in some aspects fits with the tradition. The Jedi went back to the ruthlesss times when they fought the Sith open (but they did that in a very short time). Such assassination-attempts seem to have happened in the past and maybe that may have played a role, too. The ideology of the Jedi always had that radical tendencies. If you just focuss on the "light" and despise the "dark" as total enemy, it becomes very easy to justify any crime to end that darkness. After all, you stand for the good (in your opinion). by the way I did not have the impression that ordinary Jedi had very often problems in killing living beings, too. Their main weapons always was desinged to kill and main, and could hardly just stun the enemy. You see much more often a Jedi kill or main someone than lets say just destroy his weapons, stun them with the force or something like that

[@tylergee1405]

I would love to see dark acolyte on a screen. It's such a good book and would work wonders on screen (also seeing the jedi enactt morally corrupt decisions while still thinking they're morally superior is always nice too)

[@ThereMayBeLions]

It was going to be; the whole book was based off a subplot for the final season of the Clone Wars that was (unfortunately) cancelled when they returned to it.

[@GenerationTech]

Yeah I went from being mildly annoyed but asajj ventress to really appreciating her as a character

[@ThereMayBeLions]

@@GenerationTech Filoni really have her character some much needed depth. True, she was still a fallen acolyte in the EU by the end of the Clone Wars - but making her Dathomiri and giving that culture and planet some life was a stroke of genius. Plus linking her up to Vos, a character beloved in the EU comics - they really had chemistry. A Sith that was betrayed by her order and looking for revenge and a Jedi, tempted by the Dark Side, looking to end Dooku's life for the Jedi Order

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

The Jedi putting a hit on Dooku tells them they Dooku should've been dealt with a long time ago.

[@randomericthings7506]

An even worse person would’ve taken control, General Grievous.

[@GenerationTech]

Person is kind of a stretxh

[@brianlindee220]

We believe you Alan you make a case that makes sense like the empire being victims and the rebel alliance being filled with mass murderers

[@lerneanlion]

All this talk about the Jedi should be living in the very remote location made me wonder why they decided to permanently live on Coruscant in the first place. Sure, they can have the temple there. But why did they not rebuild their homeworld of Ossus or travel alongside with the Ithorians as space nomads? By living on Coruscant, not only the Jedi exposed themselves to the Sith influence from the shrine that located deep beneath their temple but also get themselves involved with the politics of the Republic too much. P.S: What is your thought of the Republic, Alan. Why you love it so much despite how much corrupted and rotten its system is?

[@theliato3809]

They didnt know of the sith shrine. And keeping close to the republics heart would help them keep close to their ideal of being defenders of it

[@skyboy4341]

@@theliato3809 they knew damn well they were building the temple above a sith place

[@robertnelson9599]

True, but the Jedi probably did not tell the younger generations about the shrine. Most likely only Yoda was aware of its existence.

[@aacm1259]

@@robertnelson9599 that temple was built long before Yoda, they built it there to counter the darkness from the shrine, I would imagine that the Jedi Council would have been aware of it as fact and most others would think it was a rumor.

[@aacm1259]

I think it was part of the Ruusan reformation, to centralize jedi power and influence. As the republic at the time was pushing for getting rid of the Jedi Lords and the Jedi Dynasties that where all over the place. The Jedi allowed it because they believed with reason that they where too dangerous, so they purposefully put themselves at the behest of the Senate, to limit their own power.

[@bored8321]

Strange that Alan is putting more empathy or similar themes lately in his videos

[@KidKarelesss]

between the negative view of the jedi beliefs even before the clone wars and the whole "non humans dont have souls" thing I'm starting to believe that Allen might be an empirial propagandist

[@topdog5252]

Such a shame we never saw this animated, as it was meant to be

[@keatonward8556]

And of course... blood in one's stool. Definite dark side vibes there.

[@kainslegacy78618]

What did you guys think about the views of the Jedi on Revan and his followers during the Mandalorian Wars?

[@robertagu5533]

Would explain WHY Kenobi dismissed Anakin executing him with a hand wave an shrug... An probably internally a "ha, ha" in Nelson voice for all the times Dooku kicked his ass, An basically no one else in the order seemed to care in the least. If the High Council was planning to have him killed anyways those like Kenobi an Anakin woulda received the order anyways.. hearing Anakin did it woulda to Mace an Yoda been proof the thought was the right one after all since they're reasoning is "it happened due to the Force willed it". " While sure MANY others probably figured he had it coming an it wound up being Anakin swinging the proverbial axe and LITERAL plasma sword

[@Me-zl3ef]

Actually, I remember from the book that Obi-Wan was horrified and shocked at the idea of the Council making an assasination plan. In fact, in the last chapters he calls them out. In the case of Anakin it might’ve been that he accepted the situation of urgency he was facing, but wasn’t that comfortable with it as he shows with Ahsoka on “The Phantom Apprentice” or with Padmé when she tells her of Anakin going to the Dark Side.

[@robertagu5533]

@@Me-zl3ef maybe, Ben seemed to not care is how we was presented with it when Anakin, still Jedi at the point, expressed a kinda remorse over HOW he executed Dooku. Yoda or Mace though may have counciled simply their versions of Kenobi's response. Prior discussions of this on this an other channels basically say at some point the Council figured one way or the other Dooku was gonna get it. Jedi assume pretty much all Sith are fated to this. Just dunno how they'd see, exactly, that it was Anakin of everyone in the Galaxy that did him in... Or perhaps given how many, MANY times in the Galaxy despite how massive space is Anakin an Dooku squared off even totally by chance they even expected at some point it was either gonna end, basically, how it did or Dooku would finally beat Anakin an Kenobi. Eventually in a conflict like that when 2 or more apparent arch enemies with a long history of repeatedly fighting each other on EVERY scale someone inevitably, FINALLY, has to eventually win once an for all. An in this it happened to be Anakin... Guess Despite being able to best MOST anyone Dooku was one them baddies that Kenobi was just NEVER gonna beat without help.

[@aacm1259]

@@robertagu5533 There is a difference between falling it battle and being assasinsted or executed. The high council and Obi Wan are under the impression that Anakin bested Dooku in a duel and he perished then, they don't know that Anakin could have brought him in alive, but decided to execute him instead.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@aacm1259 This! They didn't know how Dooku actually died. Obi-Wan never saw the body.

[@Bishop0313]

One of my favorite Star Wars books

[@-CrimsoN-]

I wish you'd touch on the Republic series of comics from Legends. Part of the plot was the Jedi's attempt to assassinate Dooku through Quinlan Vos.

[@Nerdy_The_Punk]

The lights on the blade look so wrong when turning it on. It looked like it was dripping into a saber

[@coderedvt4134]

Appreciate the ukraun analogy throughout

[@Kubinda12345]

As we've seen in Episode III, Dooku would've been replaced by Grievous who was basically very similar to Vader; a great warrior who could be a warlord but not a politician in any way. I believe that without any interference from Sidious the CIS under Grievous would begin to fall apart since Grievous wouldn't be able to manage it properly.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

It is a good plan ti kill him. Without Dooku the CIS never works. He was an unusually gifted figure that had a unique reputation in the galaxy.

[@greivous_big_nuts4601]

I read dark disciple and it was so good

[@adeptuscustodies8203]

Please make a video where the galactic republic with the jedi attack earth

[@kahrnivor]

The Jedi were stupid. For a group that claims to understand the force they never really understood the force

[@aacm1259]

They don't claim to understand it, they have been quite clear that the force is clouded and that they can get no advice from it.

[@johannesbowers7467]

~".... And they, being naughty in thy sight, shall snuff it."~

[@ThePalaeontologist]

Dooku was the Head of State. As you point out, he would have become a martyr for the Separatists. A political firebrand and conceptual founding father of the movement, from it's earliest days. With Dooku, it began not with war crimes and deceit, but actual idealism against the widely-know-to-be-corrupt Galactic Republic. Objectively, on a moral level, the Republic _was_ decadent and in a state of moral decline. That is not an opinion it is a fact. Everyone knew. Qui-Gon Jinn and Count Dooku both knew even before the events of the prequels. The weakness on display from the top down from Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum, was plain to see. It was an open secret at best and at worst, common knowledge, that the Galactic Republic was in something of a sorry state by that point in Galactic history. Wiser figures like Dooku, saw that the Republic was in terminal decline no matter what the Jedi Order tried to do; and to his immense chagrin and irritation, the Jedi Order seemed to be being dragged down into the abyss along with it. This seems ironic considering how much of a mass murdering Sith Lord that Dooku became, though make no mistake; he did not begin that way. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and this is no different in Dooku's case. He was twisted out of shape by the manipulations of his new Master Darth Sidious; whom shrewdly used Dooku's own political firebrand status against him and weaponised it against the galaxy. Dooku wasn't an intellectual lightweight of course, but Sidious just got the better of him using his own passionate anti-Republic stance against him. And ironically, Sidious also wanted to destroy the very Republic he led from the top as the puppetmaster -- but for rather more insidious reasons. Dooku's ideological rhetoric and idealism was perverted by the Sith, and he was simply beyond saving after a point. He knew that. Yoda knew that; and never could Yoda entirely come to terms with his greatest padawan's failure as a Jedi. Nevertheless, this is not to paint the Jedi as a font of wisdom and purity to aspire to either; categorically, they were outsmarted and outplayed by the Sith. Perhaps in one line of thought, as far back as Darth Bane. Palpatine/Sidious was just the ultimate expression of that defeat, and it's executioner. The mastermind, yes (along with Darth Plagueis, the literally penultimate expression of that defeat and revenge inflicted upon the Jedi Order and the galaxy in general) But still just the logical conclusion to a tale already foretold since the time of Bane and Zannah. This does not absolve Dooku of his many crimes, yet it does shed light on a more nuanced issue that is often forgotten in the telling; that he began righteous and not even just that; but _in the right_ as the Republic _was_ a complete disaster waiting to happen, and he knew it very well. The problems for Dooku begin when Palpatine got involved. After that point, his rage against the corrupt machine of the Republic, became a rage against light. The darkness consumed him, and he became anathema to not only his former Jedi colleagues and yes, friends, but to honour and humanity itself. We already know what would happen if Dooku was removed from the Separatists fatally; as he was at the hands of Anakin Skywalker over Coruscant in 19 BBY. We already know, as you know, that General Grievous was there to step into the role of Head of State. But that was something of a catastrophic come down from the point of view of most of the Separatist Council; remember, half of them didn't even _like_ Grievous and ALL of them were afraid of him (in spite of how poorly he could sometimes be portrayed in TCW 3D animated series) Grievous, at the core of his character, while a tragic villain to some extents, was largely just a monster. A monster that made no attempts to hide his monstrosity and indeed flaunted it deliberately. He was a killer and a mass murderer. From Duro to Humbarine Grievous scoured a path of destruction through the galaxy. He was a monster and little else, in the eyes of the Republic. And he more than earned that moniker. For a walking war crime like Grievous to suddenly become the replacement for Dooku, was not just a fall from 'grace' for the CIS but it was a disaster waiting to happen (even without the obvious realisation that Palpatine was controlling both sides of the war anyway as proxy glove puppets that were controlled opposition 100%) Only the Jedi were not directly fully controlled by Palpatine, and even then, he indirectly _did_ exert some level of control on them via his powers as Supreme Chancellor. He constantly and deliberately pushed the envelope of what he could get away with to annoy and frustrate the Jedi, all while still acting innocent and kindly. Something was up and more Jedi grew to feel that way regarding the Chancellor, but that wasn't enough to decisively bring them to a point of complete realisation. Mace Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi came closest, with Windu specifically sensing the dark side of the force surrounding Palpatine by Episode III, with the implication being that most could not. Kenobi was making highly reasonable deductions about Palpatine regarding his term in office, and others like Ki-Adi Mundi outright demanded to the council that if he didn't give up his emergency powers, Palpatine must be removed from office. This was another way in which the previously venerable Jedi Order, thought to be 'beyond reproach', were being sullied and brought into a form of disgrace by the war. They had resorted to not only spying on the Chancellor (as Palpatine had cleverly lured them into doing, to call their hypocrisy out to Anakin, as part of a wider scheme to confuse and lure Anakin to the dark side as a result of that and other things Palpatine used like Padme's health and well-being), but now outright discussing deposing him from power. Even Yoda advised grave care to be taken in this case, because he must have known how dangerous that idea was. That, even at the height of the complacency and delusion of the Jedi Order, so easily tricked by the Sith, the Jedi Grand Master Yoda could still appreciate the sheer gravity of removing Palpatine from office. Alarm bells should have been ringing in the minds of a lot more Jedi. Other Jedi, like Barriss Offee, had disgraced herself by turning traitor, in a strange and misguided protest against the militancy of the Jedi Order; even involving herself in a form of terrorism briefly, as well as allowing innocent padawan Ahsoka to be blamed. Dooku had been one of the greatest Jedi in the entire history of the Jedi Order. Yoda's greatest student; and perhaps, to his mind, his greatest _failure_ all told. Though Dooku's fall from grace was not one born purely out of angst against the genuine arrogance of the Jedi Order, or it's painfully frustrating stupidity in handling complex galactic politics; a task for which they were increasingly overburdened and overwhelmed. It wasn't just that the Jedi Order (numbering around ~10,000-11,000 ish souls at this time) were simply outnumbered grotesquely by the sheer scale of their mandate as spiritual peacekeepers in the Republic; it was that they were _completely_ outnumbered by it. One Jedi Knight might pass through a star system in a decade. Or perhaps not. There were simply far too few of them to go around. Had there even been 100,000, or a million, they would still have been under immense pressure to form a constant symbiosis harmoniously with the increasingly corrupt and financially unfair Republic society at large. It was too much to ask. Dooku wanted not to completely destroy the Jedi of the day, but to at least convert _some_ that weren't slain, into an army of the Sith. Flat out, this was purely heretical to the Rule of Two in Palpatine's eyes. There is absolutely zero chance that Palpatine would have allowed it, on any level. But Dooku was more open to such ideas, and less of a true believer in the Rule of Two, than Sidious was. Which, is doubly ironic, because Sidious himself would veer into Rule of One territory in how he used and abused his apprentices (the main three; Maul, Dooku/Tyranus and Vader) Palpatine was eyeing up apprentice no 4 (Luke Skywalker) by the time of the OT. Perhaps then Anakin's 'carbon copy' in power could rise to supplant him as Dark Lord? But that was never going to happen, ultimately. Luke was not like that, and refused. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose, including his friends and family.

[@ThePalaeontologist]

Dooku had everything a boy could dream of growing up, as the heir to the Count of Serenno. One of the richest men in the entire galaxy. As Count of Serenno himself, Count Dooku was unimaginably rich. He bankrolled -- via his own private fortune, or even just a small portion of it in truth -- the early military build up of the Separatist Alliance. His money, his influence, his name, greased the wheels of the earlier days of Separatist build-up and militarisation. And at first, it looked to be a righteous and noble cause, to topple the corrupt Senate and all the cronies it had acquired via the criminal underworld. The tight grasp on galactic resources and wealth that the affluent Core Worlds had held for centuries, from the inside out, oppressing the citizens of the Mid to Outer Rim even in places where minor and major crime lords and random war lords _didn't_ hold sway, was at last being challenged by _something_ and well, _anything_ that seemed to stand a chance of ending that, for the first time in forever. Finally, so many alien species across the galaxy would have thought; here is our chance, here is our answer to the madness of the Republic and their mystical minders of the Jedi Order. The Confederacy of Independent Systems. The Separatist Alliance. Independence. Alliance. Revolution. These are not words of tyranny, but liberty, kinship and friendship. They are words of standing up to a perceived bully; and that, the bureaucrats in the Republic Senate, certainly were. As corrupt, feckless and useless sometimes as the Republic truly was becoming (as painfully demonstrated in the Naboo Crisis of 32 BBY), there was still hope that peace could be resolved, and the Jedi Order worked harder than ever to settle and resolve disputes (such as the one Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker were attending to on the planet Ansion, off-screen as mentioned, in Episode II Attack Of The Clones) Overstretched to the point of collapse already, a war would push the Jedi Order to the brink of survival, even before the execution of Order 66 by Palpatine, Vader and the Clones. The loss of Count Dooku had been a catastrophic blow to the Separatists, as the Separatist Council realised that now their, 'great hope' would be the walking war crime General Grievous; whose actions were simultaneously as untenable as they were damaging to the image of the Separatist movement, ideologically. Grievous had won many, many battles, slaying dozens of Jedi and crushing entire legions of Clone Troopers beneath veritable oceans of droid forces at their height. Yet now, as the war turned by the time of the late phase Outer Rim Sieges, the Separatists were slowly losing the war. Losing Dooku was the symbolic, figurative and literal decapitation of any hope the CIS ever had. Imagine a scenario in which Dooku evaded death above Coruscant, and 'went rogue' (sort of like how Maul did after he escaped Palpatine's grasp in TCW) The odds are, you'd see Dooku fighting a nomadic guerrilla campaign against the Galactic Empire, using new Droid Armies and surplus salvaged from the Clone Wars. We know from SW Rebels that Droid Super-Tactical units such as Kalani had survived the war and maintained hidden garrisons of Battle Droids, in active condition on planets like Agamar. If _Dooku_ survived Coruscant? Well. We can imagine something entirely more spectacular in terms of the fate of the CIS. Instead of Palpatine easily herding the CIS oligarchs and industrialists where he wanted to (the Separatist Council), under the supposed protection of Grievous (whom himself, was under Palpatine's control unwittingly, via Darth Sidious, the same guy, unknown to Grievous ironically), you'd see Dooku warning his side about Palpatine and it'd become a war in which Dooku could accuse Palpatine publicly of being Darth Sidious (as he did know) This would cause friction with Grievous, as Grievous had risked his life and many limbs trying and succeeding in kidnapping Palpatine from the Senate Building, during the chaos of the Battle of Coruscant (killing Jedi Knights and scores of Clone Troopers and Senate Guards guarding Palpatine, in the process; as well as sacrificing literally millions of Battle Droids as a diversion for most of the Republic forces) Hundreds of once proud CIS warships were burning up in Coruscant's atmosphere. If Dooku turned around to the CIS and basically exposed Palpatine as a Sith Lord, calling himself Darth Sidious, that'd cause a massive series of problems for Dooku even to begin with (because so much of the war would be called rightfully into question) Part of why Sidious wanted to get rid of Dooku, besides being weaker than Anakin Skywalker, was because Dooku posed a serious threat to him information wise. He knew too much about Palpatine. He was more 'in the loop' than literally anyone else in the galaxy; but ironically, even Dooku didn't know enough, finally betrayed by Sidious at the last, egging on Anakin to murder Dooku. Which, he did. Add to this, that Dooku's own rather stoic, 'noblesse oblige' outlook on life, would have prioritised a more honourable death, not begging for mercy. He died in silence, in shock, yes; but also too proud to 'spill the beans' (conveniently for Lucas's plot in Episode III, it must be said) Of course, it creates something of a serious plot hole if Dooku can just out Palpatine as the villain he is there and then. But in the heat of the moment, we can just chalk it up to shock and emotions. Even so, Dooku was an elderly man, and how long he could realistically resist the newly forming Galactic Empire, in the wake of such events, is unclear. Had he survived Coruscant, with Grievous at his side, they could have prolonged the war considerably; but at that point, Grievous would have Vader coming after him and possibly Sidious. Mask off, all bets off. Grievous wouldn't stand much of a chance against either. Dooku could stand up to suited Vader I believe, though still be liable to be killed by him (that said, this would be a much closer fight than prime Vader as we see him on Mustafar, at least health wise, VS Dooku) Dooku VS Sidious seems a forgone conclusion. Sidious was the Master of course. Nevertheless, there is a reason why Palpatine had Dooku get rid of Asajj Ventress; he was scared of him. Dooku was close to Sidious as a fighter. Certainly in terms of swordsmanship. It was just that Sidious was stronger in the force. In a league of his own, if we're not counting Plagueis, Anakin, Luke and the Ones (Celestials)

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@ThePalaeontologist Wonderfully elaborate responses! You are one of the few folks that have actually understood Dooku in his totality as well as understanding the genuine political, military and ideological underpinnings of Count Dooku. And you are also someone that actually understands how Dooku was a far more important a loss to the Jedi then most people think for all the reasons mentioned. He was the most powerful Jedi of his time, aside from Yoda, and knew the Force more than anyone but his master. His skills as a duelist, not just as a swordsman were unrivaled. He absolutely could have been Grand Master or Paramount Sith Lord in his own right but for being born in a time with Yoda and Palpatine. Only he could have created the CIS and he is the only apprentice Sidious ever truly feared as a rival. Sidious undoubtedly suspected Plagueis kept Dooku in mind as an alternative apprentice. Sidious never really had much to fear from his other apprentices, but he sure as hell feared Dooku. Vader and Maul were younger, maybe Vader had more potential, but they had no where near the claim of being as knowledgeable as Sidious, of being true masters in their own right, or had the ability to rule empires by popular acclaim. It is unfortunate people only see Dooku as the less cool Sith. People are very much taken in with flash over substance. It doesn't help that people fail to understand that the Dooku they saw on Clone Wars was almost always holding back a great deal, and we never really got to see him dueling at 100%. Even on Oba Dia he was holding back some.

[@ThePalaeontologist]

​@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 First of all, thank you for the kind words. Appreciated. Secondly, I agree with all of that which you just explained about Dooku. Dooku is certainly heavily misunderstood, although in fairness, part of that is down to how he never got as much hype as Vader or Maul. Often, Tyranus/Dooku is just seen as 'the most boring one' of the three apprentices of Palpatine, which I find very unfortunate. Film and Merchandise Marketing wise, obviously Vader and Maul were and always are going to get preferential treatment by a lot of fans across a broad age range. Not as many people will appreciate a more specific character like Dooku. An elderly statesman, a smooth criminal who didn't begin even wanting to be. Aesthetically, of course Maul and Vader get more attention and respect from especially the main demographic that Lucas always claimed he was making the films for; children. Obviously that is just going to be the case. Maul looks like a demonic creature and Vader is...well, Vader. As iconic a film villain as they come. But Dooku, obviously has that problem of being hemmed in between the hype for Maul and the hype for Vader. Some might see him as a flash in the pan, an irrelevance. That, I strongly disagree with. There are multiple ways and levels of how we could look at this, and admittedly, from a purely marketing and popularity contest based perspective, Dooku fans have to admit that Maul and Vader will pretty much always be winning that contest. But this doesn't mean Dooku is worthless as a character and antagonist, obviously. Like you, I always preferred Dooku to the others, and although Palpatine will always be my favourite Sith and Kenobi will always be my favourite Jedi, Dooku is ironically perhaps my favourite _character_ full stop in Star Wars. It's curious. It shouldn't add up if I'm such a fan of both Palpatine and Kenobi. Dooku just has this unique character. He just does. It does add up because on balance, he has and had the most potential. He is compelling. Unfortunately, the films and even the animated series, never quite gave him the credit he deserved. Sometimes TCW would descend into farce and make him quite moustache twirling villain-like. They treated Dooku in a rather hit and miss way to be fair. When you said that Dooku had more knowledge, as compared to Maul and Vader, I totally agree with that. Palpatine had little left to teach him in lightsaber combat and I would speculate that if anything, it might have been Juyo Form VII (pure speculation here, mind you on this point) In all other forms Dooku was just fine. He wouldn't need Palpatine to teach him that. Dooku and Palpatine's relationship as Master and Apprentice would have been surely the most unique of all the three, as Dooku had already been a Jedi for _longer than the entire lifespan old Ben Kenobi_ by the time of his abdication from the Jedi Order. In this case, I would regard Dooku as the most bizarre apprentice, because he would be approaching Palpatine in power and skill. As we know, certainly with a lightsaber. Not in raw power, no, though Dooku was still basically close to Palpatine in force sensitivity and strength. Not a match for him 1 to 1, no, but so close that he'd give him one hell of a fight if it came down to it. Maul had a good go at it on Mandalore in TCW, and while Sidious crushed both Maul and Savage, that didn't mean it was the easiest fight in the galaxy that Palpatine had (though I've seen some 'interesting cope' takes regarding that fight; e.g. that allegedly, 'Sidious nearly died' etc which is just not true. He crushed them, but Maul did fight bravely nonetheless) Dooku fans are rarer compared to Maul and Vader fans, and it makes sense. Maul is Maul, Vader is Vader, but Tyranus is Dooku. The reputation and impact of the character of Dooku, is somewhat diluted as a villain, because he has so many henchmen and sidekicks running around in the Clone Wars; whether that be referring to Durge, Ventress, Grievous or others like Cad Bane (I know Bane was not pro-Separatist, just, 'pro-highest bidder', but he did sometimes work for the CIS, and more often than not) Palpatine in Episode I just talks, leaving all the fighting scenes from a Sith point of view, to Maul. Maul therefore was front and centre the primary _visual_ i.e. on-screen antagonist, though Sidious was clearly the brains behind the operation and the main antagonist at large in the story. The villain behind it all. Of course he was. But the thing is, Maul is the one doing the actual fighting in TPM so the hype was about Maul in 1999. Similarly, Vader needs no introduction in terms of how iconic and hyped he was from 1977 onward. Especially by the time of The Empire Strikes Back, his image was a brand recognition classic regarding Star Wars, on millions of posters, shirts and in the form of countless toys and collectibles. Dooku would never, ever get that fame. Some might call that a marketing failure by Lucasfilm, but I don't. He caters to different fans; perhaps, 'the thinking man's Sith Lord'? Without over egging the cake here, or erring into pretence regarding him, I'd hazard a guess that in spite of never matching Vader or Maul in popularity, he does satisfy the need for a different kind of villain in the roster of Star Wars Sith Lords. He's not a raging maniac, he's not a technological terror, he's not a psychotic megalomaniac. But what he is, is a smooth criminal and a stately monster. There is something to be said about the underrated quality of a villain as seemingly harmless as Dooku. To the ignorant (in-universe), Dooku might seem a benign old man. He certainly had most of the CIS leadership fooled. But beneath that charismatic air and noble disposition, he was terrifying in his own way. Not just an idealist and political firebrand but a _hero_ to his believers. What the films do not properly ever once convey, is how seriously _loved_ Dooku was by his own side. Sadly the closest we get to this in the films, is simply 'inferring' (aka reading this into) Dooku, by way of his interactions with the other Separatists on Geonosis. They are all absolutely at ease speaking freely with Dooku and all of them gladly combine their forces with his and those of the Separatists already under his banner. The Banking Clan's San Hill seemed very pleased to enthusiastically support the cause. But this can also be explained as a mutual dislike for the Republic. That isn't enough to really demonstrate how much people loved him, on his side of the argument. We get closer in the 2D animated series, in brief scenes, such as when the Quarren Isolation League joined Dooku and literally stood shoulder to shoulder behind him with pride. It's non-canon now (and in the 3D animated series, that becomes far more coercive and reluctant, on the part of the Quarren, as Dooku essentially forces their hand) But I think TCW (3D) gets him wrong in a lot of ways. In some ways it does him justice, in others, it treats him as dubiously and questionably as it did sometimes to Grievous, Maul, Kenobi etc. The low point in TCW for Dooku, was getting captured and humiliated by Hondo and his Weequay pirates. I prefer to disregard this but sadly it is canonical. Meanwhile, his fight with Ventress on Rattatak (and hell, the entire planet of Rattatak itself) became non-canon. Even before Disney took over in 2012, George Lucas _himself_ basically came along and binned the 2D series (on a canonical level) like a ban hammer from on high, because 'he didn't like the way it portrayed force users'. In modern memetic language, disliked how 'OP' and 'OTT' the characters could be. And yes, perhaps Mace Windu ragdolling and punchbagging an entire army of B2 Super Battle Droids with his bare hands was a bit much, and yes, perhaps Grievous taking on 5 Jedi at once was a bit crazy. But hey, there were explanations. I like it, it's cool. Lucas didn't, though, and so it was technically not upheld as 'G-canon' (George Lucas canon) even prior to 2012. After 2012, it continued to remain as an idea pool they could take things from for recycling in the 3D series. Ventress stood up to the Chosen One for a while and had a go at Dooku; only to be very easily defeated by the latter. Obviously Anakin was young and more evenly matched in experience with her at that point, but later Ventress couldn't get near Anakin (Anakin would have easily killed her) But from the get go, Dooku schooled Ventress pretty decisively on Rattatak. There was absolutely no questioning his power and experience. ~ [ Part 1/4 ] ~

[@ThePalaeontologist]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 ~ [ Part 2/4] ~ Ventress herself could have been the main villain of Episode II, if they'd used her concept art instead of opt for Count Dooku. Lucas wanted Sir Christopher Lee and after that point, by 2000, during production of Episode II, Lee was going to be the one replacing Maul as Palpatine's apprentice. But the fact is that Ventress in her own right, gained a lot of hype and fame from her debut onward; in the much loved 2D animated Clone Wars series. Even though that is not canonical anymore, it certainly showed plenty of heroes and villains in a more powerful visage, from Dooku to Windu, from Grievous to Kenobi, from Ventress to Unduli. My point is that Dooku never stood alone so a lot of attention goes to his subordinates. If it were just Dooku and the others didn't exist and nobody knew about Ventress, Grievous, Durge etc then there'd be more attention on Dooku. It's not as simple as that I know, but it's subconsciously part of it. TCW constantly had Dooku resorting to using Magna Guards to protect him from Anakin (e.g. on Naboo, twice) which is just annoyingly bad. It's a total misunderstanding of his character and skills in those moments. He doesn't even remotely need them to stand up to Anakin for the time being. He handed Anakin's backside to him a dozen times in the Clone Wars, and was simply too dangerous. In fairness to TCW (which is hit and miss at best), when it did things right, it could _really_ do things right, like when Dooku fought Ventress while in his _exquisite pyjamas_ and also doing so while outnumbered 3 to 1, drugged by a dart and unable to use his eyes. Although the scene went and ruined itself by having Ventress 'disarm' Dooku, it partially redeemed itself by having Dooku throw the lightsaber armed Nightsisters (whom he still mistook as Jedi trying to assassinate him in his sleep) out of his window with telekinesis augmented with force lightning. That was good. But Ventress shouldn't even have been able to disarm him while he was temporarily drugged and blinded. It paid him more respect than having pirates capture him for cheap laughs. But it still messed up the logic of Ventress 'disarming him'. She'd never do that. Even in that state, he was clearly far superior to her as a lightsaber duellist. TCW contradicts itself constantly as and when the writers and the plots demanded. For instance, Luminari Unduli was wise enough to sense the fighting style of Count Dooku in Ventress's style, when they fought; but in a brilliant retort to Ventress, she saw it as Ventress having an 'amateurish' and 'sloppy' take on Dooku's style. This obviously a) showed Unduli's respect for Dooku's fighting skills and style b) showed how Jedi like her could discern such styles in the middle of combat itself, and c) how she could outright _feel_ from the way Ventress was fighting, that Ventress was kind of awkwardly just trying to fight like him by imitation (and that, she was failing, badly) It's subtle. Again, an example of TCW being so inconsistent. Sometimes it got things really right, other times it forgot the logic and lore, and forgot it's own previously established scenes too. Ventress was a child playing at imitating Dooku by comparison. But later she can disarm him? It's bogus. But at least that scene can use the excuse that he was drugged and _literally fighting blinded in his pyjamas_ but I digress... On balance, Dooku is in my opinion the most interesting prequels villain but admittedly the Sith with the 2nd worst character development in the prequel films for a Sith Lord (behind Maul, whom had two lines and a few minutes of screen-time; I'm not counting his reappearance later, just looking solely at the Skywalker Saga films themselves) In the films, Maul is gone as far as anyone knows in Episode I. Plenty of people still think that as well (not realising he came back for TCW, SW Rebels, SOLO and more besides etc etc) Disney was more than happy to win over scores and scores of Maul fans and get that sweet sweet Maul merchandise revenue, by resurrecting him. I know people will go crazy about this now, but I certainly remember that after 1999 everyone just thought Maul was dead. Because, why the hell wouldn't they? He was _cut in half_ and then fell down a reactor pit. But later Disney would outdo itself and resurrect Palpatine after _he_ was thrown down an even bigger pit (ffs) But I digress...in any case, Disney likes to resurrect characters to tell more stories with them. But this ain't happening for Dooku. Decapitation and then burning up in a planet's atmosphere, will do that to a person. Dooku was not meant to survive, obviously. But I always love to think of ideas of Dooku in the Imperial Era. Sort of like how Maul was written to survive (perhaps dubiously) into that era in the shadows. It almost seems insulting to Dooku that Maul fans got their own way and had Maul resurrected while Dooku was still alive. Not only this, he even lives well into the Imperial Era. Sort of unfair on balance, considering how from 1999-2013, a solid 14 years there, practically everyone just thought he was dead. It seemed fairly conclusive after what Kenobi did to him. But as the shitty sequels would say, "No one's ever really gone"...eh... I don't mind Maul by the way, I just think that sometimes things can get toxic regarding Maul VS Dooku because sometimes people think that Dooku was a 'mistake'. It wasn't Dooku's fault as a character that Lucas _wrote it_ that Maul got bisected and yeeted in Episode I back in 1999 (and technically ~1997/1998 as written) The truth is, Dooku was a quickly developed character initially and he needed little thought after they secured Sir Christopher Lee for that role. Lucas was always going to want him to ape off the Count Dracula imagery, hence the cape and cape broaches and chain. Hence why he is called, 'Count' in the first place. It's not hiding that connection to one of Lee's most famous movie villain portrayals. Lee was well-known and loved for his Hammer House of Horror Dracula films, even though ironically, Lee himself grew displeased with Dracula films he was doing, because of the terrible writing. Eventually he only agreed to be in one of them if he never spoke and he just (literally) passive aggressively _hissed_ and made faces instead. But because everyone recognised and loved Lee, Hammer wanted Lee back desperately so accepted that he refused to speak any lines. It was a short leap from gaining Lee on the SW prequels, to having him be drawn to be a more stately nobleman figure in minimalistic, black robes and a pair of leather boots. He isn't flashy, no, just as you say. His 'flashiness' if he has any at all, comes in his lightsaber skills. With his Makashi Form II, he is basically dancing around enemies, almost literally. On set, during the filming for Episode II, George Lucas basically made fun of Lee, by having paper teeth stuck into a model of Yoda during the filming and reshoots for sections of fighting in the hangar on Geonosis. Lee had a stunt double for more physically exerting things but also did some himself. Lee himself noted later, that he was amazed by how much of himself was seen in the final product, when the film released. Dooku couldn't have been brought to life by a more venerable actor. Lee worked wonders, even with the basic material and typically, _Lucasian_ writing he was given (writing that even Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford, all teased George Lucas about as being, 'writing you can't act' or 'writing that you can't read', during filming for the original 1977 STAR WARS/later renamed Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, by 1980, which confused people a lot in 1980 so I think from what I have learnt over the years; Lucas already knew he was doing the switcheroo with earlier stories aka the prequels set later when the technology for such desired visuals, permitted; though this narrative is questioned) Besides which, Lee had had to read far worse written writing from far inferior films and scripts than Star Wars Episode II, believe it or not (in his already long career by then, in all hundreds of films were under his belt, and a lot weren't that good; but he kept on chugging along doing stuff to keep working and keep moving forward in his acting career) In other words, Lee had been given way cheesier dialogue in some earlier films and so it wasn't his first rodeo in that respect. Nor was it in film sword-fighting acting; Lee still holds the record for the most movie swordfights (I think around 17 if we include Star Wars; from The Three Musketeers to Dracula) This is why he never took it for granted to be in such a massive production as Star Wars. He respect it, and loved the fans. God bless Sir Christopher Lee (may he liveth forevermore in peace and harmony) Now, regarding the concept of Dooku waging war in an alternative timeline where he survives the Clone Wars, or perhaps just prolongs it, then I think that most likely the Dark Lord Darth Sidious will eventually kill him, but that this could not happen casually. Besides the fact that Dooku would sense Sidious coming half the galaxy away, the reality is that Dooku would also 'know his tricks' (or at least some of them) He'd know better than to present an easy target to Sidious.

[@ThePalaeontologist]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 ~ [Part 3/4 ] ~ Dooku's intelligence was somewhat knowingly sacrificed on the altar of plot convenience in Episode III, because they _had_ to get rid of him while somehow doing so with Palpatine in the same room at his moment of death. Lucas _could_ have written that to happen more naturally, with Kenobi or Skywalker landing the killing lightsaber blow on him. But no, Lucas wanted Palpatine to be not only interacting with Anakin as he executed Dooku in cold blood, but to also do so _after_ Kenobi had been conveniently knocked out. This left no conscious witnesses to what was about to transpire (a sinister Crossing of the Rubicon for Anakin, really; as though the matter with the Tuskens wasn't also bad enough) In my view, Dooku would be far smarter if it weren't for the constraints of his placing in the saga. As you rightly point out, not only being limited by the presence of Palpatine, but of Yoda himself. In any other era he'd have been the absolute strongest guy in the galaxy if we're not counting Anakin and Anakin was an accidental aberration of a random force experiment of Plagueis and Palpatine really. Only when Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn brought Anakin to the attention of Palpatine by sheer will of the force and happenstance, did Palpatine realise what Anakin was (he realised more deeply than even Qui-Gon Jinn could, with what information was available to him then) I love to speculate on a what if scenario of ...what if Dooku continued the war effort well beyond the point of his death in 19 BBY? He'd be getting very elderly indeed if he survived much further, but I don't think this means he'd be doomed to be hunted down by Palpatine. Palpatine, while much younger, was still pretty old himself. It'd be like two old rivals, sizing each other up across the galactic voids and marshalling new fleets and armies to do battle across the stars. Yes, Palpatine/Sidious is indeed the stronger. This is undeniable. But Dooku is _so beloved_ of so many in especially the Outer Rim, that I'm sure that he'd have plenty of support fo years. In that scenario, Dooku -- and not Palpatine controlled Grievous -- would be leading the surviving Separatists and CIS oligarchs. In that scenario, Grievous is 'clued in' too and now knows not to listen to Sidious. Dooku would have new armour for Grievous, and new training to try and make him sturdier against the Sith. But Grievous's main strength would be in attacking wherever the Sith were not. Dooku would need to make sure that full-control of the control ships of the Separatist Alliance, was retained, never allowing a deactivation command to be issued. That saw most of the remaining droid forces shut down, immediately, upon execution and the literal slaughter of the betrayed CIS leaders by Vader, on Mustafar. In the scenario where Dooku escapes Coruscant with his head (and hands), then Dooku will veer the CIS into a _real_ death struggle with Palpatine. Palpatine will lose control of most if not all of his influence on the CIS because he was doing that _through_ Dooku. In the scenario where they fight, Dooku will no longer be his accomplice and fall guy, and he'll be able to think more proactively and independently, on his own initiative. In this way, he'd cause massive setbacks for the Republic/new Galactic Empire. For a start, Dooku would likely find ways of breaking the deadlock of the Outer Rim Sieges, perhaps sacrificing some worlds for the sake of saving others. Resource and reinforcement allocation would be critical, and of vast strategic concern. Dooku would not be pulling his punches in this scenario, like he was while playing along with Palpatine's trickery of playing off both sides to act as a catalyst for the Rise of the Empire. Both the Republic and the CIS were treated as means to an end by Palpatine, for his new Empire. The CIS fought to the death against what it perceived (correctly) as the centralised tyranny of Republic control from the Core Worlds outward. What do you think they'd think about a self-proclaimed _Empire_ built on the bones of the already corrupt Republic? Yeah, they'd be upset (putting it mildly) These guys were already idealistically prepared to sacrifice their lives for freedom as they saw it, against an ostensibly democratic Republic (though one, so rife with greed and corruption, that calling it 'democratic' anymore seemed to be a sad joke) But at least it wasn't an outright Empire. The CIS were of course an Empire in all but name themselves, and far from innocent (not only committing countless war crimes, but resorting to all kinds of other shady practices to get their own way) The CIS ironically shared more in common with the Rebels of the later Galactic Civil War. The Galactic Empire had more in common, of course, with the Galactic Republic; even sharing the same Senate; until it didn't) In a scenario where Dooku escapes Palpatine's grasp and continues a war against the newly forming Empire, then he could un-ironically become a founding father figure to the Rebel Alliance. We already know that rebels used some surplus or mothballed old CIS warships e.g. the _Recuscant_-class. Personally I never liked how the Outer Rim Sieges became written as this big Deus Ex Machina campaign where the excuses for why the CIS were losing could be drawn up. I don't really buy it to be completely honest. Seems pretty bogus. But it's the narrative that is apologetically given to explain it away. In truth, the CIS would have literally _billions_ if not _trillions_ of Battle Droids in storage. Cleverly worded strategic excuses and world-building/deconstruction efforts by such channels as this to a tee actually, fail to see the sheer immensity of the Droid reserves. Although no consensus for droid numbers or official figures for droid numbers, has _ever_ been properly proven, or provided, the logical reality is that even late war, Droids must have outnumbered the Clones by at least 100 to 1. This in itself ties back into a wider argument about total Clone numbers. I have more detailed arguments about this I've explained many times, but suffice it to say that I believe that a realistic baseline figure for Clone numbers by such a point in the war, would be in the region of about 25-30 million Clones. Still tiny for a galaxy wide war, but at that point if we times it by 100 we get 2,500-3,000 million (or 2.5 to 3.5 Billion) Droids. Note: _active_ Droids, is what I mean by this. Grievous suddenly being pinned down on Utapau made zero sense in Episode III and it still doesn't. Yes he's regrouping post-Coruscant, with the CIS reeling after Dooku's death and the loss of countless assets in that enormous battle. But still; it still does not add up.

[@johnwash4520]

"He's a Jedi, Assassination isn't in his character." Mace Window

[@BungLer]

gotta love how Alan subliminally shows his support for Ukraine with that desktop wallpaper at the start

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

They should have pulled their resources and blown Dooku.

[@royjones0824]

It’s kinda ironic that the “ heroes” in Star Wars frown on human emotion to the point that they are trying to be more robotic yet in clone wars they are fighting droids … actual robots lol 😂😂you would of thought that they would of been the best of friends

[@kingrandal01]

What about a video on ships ability to take damage and how the ship could isolate said damage. Seen videos of aircraft carriers taking damage in WW2 and how they fault against it.

[@tucker0214]

Hello friends welcome back to another episode of Generation Tech my name is Allen

[@Wintermute909]

Looting is such an ugly word....i like to think of it as 'rapid archeology'.

[@GenerationTech]

You sir are master of words

[@Wintermute909]

@@GenerationTech It is yours now, use it wisely with my thanks for such an awesome channel!!!

[@dogkungfu8510]

A beautiful flag of gold wheat and blue sky on your tv. ✌

[@justincameron9661]

I did raid the temple for lightsabers

[@WrinkleyPanda]

A fantastic book.

[@QueenStodge]

Dark Disciple was a very good book tho

[@thekidry5551]

Right meow 😜

[@thekidry5551]

I was a recruiter and on interviews with candidates I would replace vast difference with "vas deferens" LOL we would see who could use it the most like super troopers 😁😂😂😂

[@chrisyanover1777]

My question is if Count Duku was the leader of the separatists, and knew that Palpatine was the leader of the republic, what was his endgame plan? Was he really wanting to win? Litterially Duku was taking orders from the leader army he was fighting. This makes absolutely no sense! This would be like if Winston Churchill took orders from Hitler! One good thing is If Duku had no intentions on winning the war, he used droids and not humans to protect human lives.

[@advena996]

I think dooku knew it was a ploy for Palpatine (his master) to take control of the galaxy. Supposedly he knew the plan was for the separatists to lose, and for him to be captured, but didn't know the little detail where he gets killed by Palpatine's new apprentice Anakin.... 😅

[@mattguy1773]

Twice the pride double the fall

[@nomercyinc6783]

Planning something but not following through isn’t going to far

[@zekekennedy9180]

Hey can you give some instructions for how you were able to work for charity institutions on the Ukraine issue in case any of us want to do the same?

[@GenerationTech]

The refugee crisis in poland is pretty intense, at any major train or bus terminal there are organizations helping out people. Warsaw alone saw a population increase by 20% from Ukrainians arriving. You can also contact your local country’s Ukrainian embassy for more information about legitimate charities to donate or work for.

[@nl396]

I've never cared for the Jedi or their beliefs in the first place but what makes me despise them is they are all self righteous hypocrites.

[@AngelYt-xs6yy]

Something that confuse me why the jedi were force to play in the clone wars if public and long time commanders of the republic opinion was reluctant and missbelieved Edit: couldnt they just fly off the planet?

[@aacm1259]

Nope they where pretty much drafted. They where never given an option on the matter.

[@johnw391]

The Jedi never went far enough to win hence they got wiped out

[@sebastiannielsen9740]

Hi

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[@owenfitzgerald5928]

What would the jedi have done if the CIS used humans or aliens or clones as soldiers rather than droids would they have just murdered them

[@spiderboy43]

Jedi of the Old Republic era would and did that all the time during their battle with the Sith. The Jedi of the Galactic Republic and TCW might go for literal disarming instead.

[@mutsuichiko4823]

Attachment was forbidden. There was no mandate for celibacy.

[@dennishicks2440]

Was Count Dooku evil? Not truly" -if at all. Palpatine knew this about his apprentice. A Sith Master is just a means to an end for Count Dooku. A schism developed between them behind this indifference, but" Count Dooku has his own agenda and will never lose sight of it! Palpatine is desperate to convince Anakin Skywalker to defect to his cause, while knowing his apprentice will move against him to replace him, -and for Anakin to assist him against his apprentice. Without Anakin's assistance" The Way Of The Sith will playout as it always has. As Palpatine dispatched Plagueis" Count Dooku intends to dispatch Palpatine. The Dark Side Of The Force favors The Apprentice over The Master.🌈🤓

[@AlexSDU]

My allegiance to Democracy, but NOT for the Republic, for my country is a federal constitutional monarchy. LONG LIVE THE KING!

[@pyeitme508]

Wow

[@MacsWorldEntertainment]

Alan, this video is showing as "unlisted"

[@GenerationTech]

You’re just here early ;)

[@leanderegneseth2546]

Fra Norge

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

Dew it!!

[@-JA-]

👏

[@reddeaddude2187]

Killing puppies is never an acceptable action.

[@Darth_Anomalous]

You make it sound like the Jedi were evil.

[@leanderegneseth2546]

Ey em in Sverige

[@2wings1bird31]

So you're saying we shouldn't assassinate Putin. Is that the underhanded subtext here?

[@tonyanthony5105]

I miss the Xeno-bigotry this channel used to represent. When the giant spider like aliens or giant Russian crab like aliens or idk any kind of aliens show up to join with the dolphins in an attempt to overwhelm us Terrans I think a strong stance against the Zeno scum is imperative to the future of humanity

[@Hiihtopipa]

Jesus those sabers are overpriced

[@dripshrek7919]

Im fourth

[@darthnihilusthebestsith]

Yes take down the dictator, surely the war will end and he won't just become a martyr for the cause, inspiring more nationalist sentiment within is people, right? Right?

[@tinymoore5859]

Would you support prayer for the Ukrainian people Alan ?