Why The Lexus LS Line is Failing

[@STdevinrpg]

This is the most real car review I’ve ever had the honour of viewing on KZbin. You literally call out the problems and the honest truth and reality of the culture mechanical/design problems with the LS while still respecting the unique market it occupies. You even compliment its positive qualities with your genuine opinions which only reinforces the idea of your fairness and straight forward thinking.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Really humbled that you appreciated my perspectives from all angles, thank you my friend! I def try to make reviews and provide a perspective the mainstream never does

[@mrcamelfrags]

In my opinion, I think the Main reason the LS has lost market share is the change to V6 engines. The LS has always been known for its amazing V8 engine, so when you change an iconic trait of the car you lose buyers who can get a V8 from BMW or Mercedes.

[@kendall9758]

I agree. V6 are not a good platform in general. It's more of an economy engine. There are exceptions like in the NSX, GTR or Ford GT but in general. No one likes V6s. Idk why they couldn't downside the displacement and add turbos for economy. Look at the McLaren line up. 3.8L.

[@ajbauto]

@@kendall9758 ls will be coming with v8 twin turbo soon.

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

@@kendall9758 No one like v6's? You guys no nothing about cars.

[@kendall9758]

@@kensmechanicalaffair did you read my comment? I said there are exceptions but in general no one likes v6s. if you're some crazy diy mad scientist tuner you can make anything work. when have you ever heard an American go you should swap a v6 into your build? most of the European performance models all use twin turbo V8. m8, m5, sls, 720s, rs7 etc the list goes on

[@DeathhAngel1]

Exactly

[@AsAxBoSs2012]

I have been proudly owning LS500 for the past 3 years, everyday I appreciate my decision to go with it rather than any other car on the market.

[@philipbaio2237]

I have a 2003 LS 430 I bought it Brand new ..i now have 12800miles and never had a problem. Best car ever

[@billbrimmer1739]

Will look at the 2021 in 2024. Bought my GS 350 when it was 3 years old and it’s a fabulous car. Many people like reliability.

[@tingokuman]

Lexus is failing because they don't market the thought process and japanese level craftsmanship that goes into each car. Lexus needs to bring back the wine glasses on the hood commercials.

[@ihunt65]

Lexus is definitely not failing.

[@dailyoptions7832]

Mercedes fail all the way after 90k miles haha...engine lights on sensors die etc etc

[@Milkinporsche]

The only disappointment about the LS, to me, is the no V8 option.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

With regulations I don't think it will get any better

[@ReuvenMatalon]

Totally agree, and if producing one was an issue due to costing, I'm sure they could have made some variant from what goes into a LC500 / GS-F

[@rudysanchez8581]

@@TheRedc0met, but the Mercedes Benz S500 is a V8 , so I don't understand why Lexus is now a V6 and MB is still a V8. Can you explain me that based on regulations ?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

There's more to it than the simple speed you mention. V8s are smoother than V6s and sound better it is the correct engine for a flagship luxury car. Turbo 4 cylinders make near V8 power now but you would be missing the point, the power delivery and smoothness can never be replicated by these smaller motors. Throw the specs in the garbage, it's how the vehicle makes you feel that matters most.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Smdh 🤦‍♂️

[@robertprisco1935]

I own a 2018 Lexus LS and have to say that your assessment is spot on. Nothing touches the Mercedes S Class in this class of vehicles but the LS' price point gives it a slight advantage (personally fit my budget better). Lexus is at a crossroad when it comes to the LS. It's still their flagship vehicle and must cost them a pretty penny to continue development on a car that is not selling well. Although it was their first car ever made and there are probably some sentimental reasons to continue its development, the bean counters at Lexus may have a different opinion. For my 2018, everything already said is absolutely true. Pros: Beautiful exterior and interior (the spindle grill remains polarizing); extremely quiet inside; mostly a luxurious ride (I have the air suspension option, interior upgrade option and the Mark Levinson stereo option); extremely comfortable seats and decent handling for a land yacht. Cons: Large road bumps are transferred to the vehicle too harshly (2018-2020), infotainment interface is cumbersome, even after owning it for a while; infotainment display no longer looks integrated (2021-present); personally would have preferred a V-8 to the TT 6. Given all of this, I truly love this car and look forward to driving it each and every time. Have driven the new ES 350 many times and it doesn't compare to the LS. I'm hoping that Lexus continues to evolve the LS, this latest generation has the most Lexus influence of all the LS generations.

[@RossEnzo]

The ES is pretty much as nice as of a car as the LS now a days. There’s really no reason to spend double the money ever sense they did away with that awesome NA V8.

[@caxtoneokoth5618]

They fucked up letting go of the gs

[@Rabid_Turtle]

I took an ES as a loaner for the day. Not even close to my LS. What are you talking about?

[@hemmarket]

I've had my 2018 Lexus LS 500 F Sport AWD since March of this year (the only one in the Country when I bought it) and I agree that there is just something missing here - a loud exhaust note perhaps ? But on a Lexus LS ?. I'd say, you can't argue its power, the incredible handling with run flats (other owners have told me you can absolutely improve the ride by switching out for hi performance summer rubber), and the incredible interior. You would suggest that, just like with the Genesis, that the great features of the car don't equal the whole of the car. That reputation is king. But I am a rich person by today's standards, and I switched my Porsche for this car. And yes, the Porsche was fun to drive and growled nicely, but reliability was a huge issue. Two transfer cases in 12 months at $6,000 each. $695 Dealership oil changes. $2200 for brakes, and $1,850 for a blown thermostat. German cars as just as unreliable as I imagined, and even when they aren't, their high performance parts are astronomically expensive and wear out much faster. Also, the Porsche Macan S spent an inordinate amount of time in the shop. My neighbors have 2 Audis and a Porsche, and they too have lots of shop time repairing and maintaining these beasts. Yes, idiots buy expensive things that cost a lot to fix, but that doesn't make it right. And people believe in the folly of chasing emblems. In 8 months of Lexus ownership, I changed the oil once for $88.. In 18 months of owning my Porsche, $18,000 was spent to keep it on the road, and 2 of those months were in the garage. My Lexus is faster, quicker, handles better, has a full size backseat and trunk, and I've received more raves from friends about it than I did the Porsche, amazingly enough. AND greater piece of mind ! Porsche also vomited up half its retail value the first year owning it ! So add another $25K to the bill. That doesn't happen with a Lexus. I could still sell my Lexus for what I paid for it, and both cars were used when I purchased them.. Your review, btw, was quite refreshing. I didn't love the premise, but unlike most videos it wasn't entirely one-sided. So, Well done ! To add context, I did own a 2006 LS 430, the last year before the 460, and I'd say that was the best car ever made. I generally own cars for 2-4 yrs, and I had that for 9. Than I got stupid, went for the hi line Porsche Macan S to get my feet wet, and came out with a light wallet and anxiety about what was going to break next when I drove it. The problem with German cars will always be world class design and the cheapest, shit parts that break and wear out. That's how they make profits off the original purchase, and than they have you addicted to maintenance and repairs to keep the money flowing in their direction. Lexus is failing because the cars keep running : )

[@seasicks2243]

Now this is a review, my wife still have her 2013 ls460 f sport and we have no intention of replacing it. I went to buy a sports car last year for my 40th on the test drive the 911 broke down we had to take an uber back to the dealership. I have a corvette now.

[@ditto1051]

I currently have a 2006 black on black LS 430, bought new. Approx. 71K miles. Besides, tires, brakes and oil changes, no other repairs. Solid and dependable. What a Lexus should be! And the V-8 is wonderful!!

[@petersmith2040]

High performance German luxury vehicles are engineered for people who can afford the high maintenance costs and can afford to purchase another brand new German vehicle after the warranty had expired. People who can’t afford the high maintenance costs and high repair costs after the warranty had expired should not be driving a German luxury vehicle. They are not known for their longevity and reliability. They are rich people’s toys meant to be replaced after reaching a certain years or mileage.

[@adrianalejo91]

I’m changing my Cayman S for an LS500. I couldn’t say it better, you nailed it.

[@willieboon6150]

It s a no brainer ; the prices kept getting higher to the level people reconsider worth buying BMW and Merc.

[@linkylion9060]

Please price doesn't matter to people who are buying cars on this class period the Ls has made a long lasting name for itself in this class ...prices on the bmw and benz the class is going up too ..every car price is going up...SUVs and cross over are killing the sedan market period and that's it every sedan brand is suffering because of this..the numbers don't lie .

[@TheShakir98]

It’s not about the price, people who bought S classes never ditched that car to come and buy LS. it’s just people started losing interest as what Kevin said, Lexus wanted to stay true to the elegance and classiness instead of nightclub style with LED’s everywhere. Also, there are a lot of “new money” people and they obviously won’t get Lexus thanks to brandwhoring

[@theodoreyoung8777]

Asian Fiji 🤝😎

[@VividFizzy]

@@linkylion9060 market speaks for itself, fanboy or not

[@emekaiheanacho6971]

@@TheShakir98 Maybe the Sclass and 7 series are just better... This new LS is pathetic with it's V6 engine too🤦

[@kathyv310]

I've got so many cars but the one that never sees a shop is the lexus. If you worked hard like my uncle who came from Italy and now has a masarati maybe lexus isn't for you. If you're worth millions but hate your lambo or audi being in the shop, like me, then maybe you try lexus. Lexus reliability sells the car. Mercedes and bmw are never going to try to be as reliable as lexus because they'll lose. Lexus is never going to try to be a "drivers car" like a bmw because they'll lose. These brands are sticking to what they're known for. As far as "what rich people want", rich people are as diverse as any other group of people and some want a reliable car. Side note, men don't seem to care if the cars in the shop as long as the works covered and they get a loaner, but as a woman I can tell you I want my car to run not be at the shop.

[@socalguy97]

Great video. Loved it. Most of what you said is true to me. It seems like in the last 20 years, Lexus got comfortable with where they were and stopped trying so hard. I’m a Lexus owner. I still view it as a prestigious brand, but 90’s Lexus was definitely a different experience from today’s Lexus. I’m not going to say bring back the V8 because I definitely don’t need one. I’m not going to say bring back the reliability because Lexus reliability hasn’t disappointed in three decades. But, I will say this...I’m not mega rich, but I’m certainly very financially comfortable. I’m not a common person because I chose Lexus. And I do care about reliability. I’ve owned three BMWs and I grew painfully weary of the service and the upkeep even while under warranty. And no one even comes close to Lexus for the customer service and dealership experience-those alone are prestigious. I’d say reliability matters (or it doesn’t) regardless of income bracket. I have no interest at all in owning a high-riding SUV. I never cared for them and I know few if any enthusiasts who do. But in general, the sedan is just failing because it’s failing. It’s time has, unfortunately, passed and people (apparently) love what an SUV can do for them. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@theodoreyoung8777]

Perfectly said 🤝😎

[@abdullahshakir9573]

Very well said

[@Angry-Lynx]

Because you have class. Most people dont so they will buy x7 or merc suv, because you know, prestige and all that bs.

[@Rabid_Turtle]

You see the S Class everywhere. I chose the LS because you rarely see them. I get so many compliments from all age groups.

[@derekrobinson2366]

If Mercedes, Genesis, and BMW can keep a v8 in their flagship vehicles so can Lexus honestly

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Regulations will kill that off quick

[@derekrobinson2366]

@@MeynMotorGroup if that happens it will be quite unfortunate

[@MeynMotorGroup]

It's happening at a rapid rate, next C63s amg will be a 4 cylinder turbo

[@derekrobinson2366]

@@MeynMotorGroup that’s just pure sadness lol

[@stanz7193]

As much as I like v8e People just aren't buying v8 cars.....

[@virgozulu5581]

No flagship should have a CVT or a no V8 option ever especially a large sedan or sport coupe

[@cjitty]

As an owner that had two LS460s and a LS600...I cannot believe the new 500 has the same rear legroom as the new ES despite the new LS500 being longer than my LS460L. I'm kind of getting over the non V8 situation but the turbo lag is pretty noticeable. The LS500 is growing on me but I'll most likely hold on to my 460L and maybe add the LC down the road.

[@davidmagen415]

I gave a 2021 LS. It is a pleasure to drive and ride it. The interior is superb and and the fit and finish is superb 🏖

[@joseteixeira5900]

About reliability which was told in the video it is pointless: well, in fact was the reliability what made and makes Lexus being what it is. Pointing an exemple, if Fiat would make a car better than a S-class, it would be classified like a 👎🏼 car because of bad grade historic reputation. But Lexus entered in 1989 on a right foot, raised by a already reliability hands from Toyota. Now see if a Mercedes would make a car like fiat. Would sell like cookies as well, only because the brand and reputation. Actually there are other brands who make cars better than the Germans, and Lexus is one of them, despite the brand philosophy.

[@roomiji]

LS has a very unique buyer. I am in my 40's and this car fits all my needs. I don't need/want a 911 or S-Class, something understated yet ultimate in reliability and luxury. Happy with my 2021 LS F-Sport AWD in USB

[@matt9445]

i would work hard in life to get a Lexus.. in Asia, Lexus are as expensive as the Germans. and in the long run, holds its value, hence even more expensive than the Germans.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yea cars are double and triple the prices in other countries

[@ihunt65]

me too. I work hard to pay for my new GX, I would not touch a German with a 10 ft pole.

[@kfountain73]

Lexus and Toyota hold their value more in America too! Even against the Germans!

[@paladin3116]

I like the LS but im not going to lie it doesnt have that old big body baller look that it use to have. Right now it just looks like a premium version of the Avalon. Also not having a V8 option kinda hurts it in my opinion, the hybrid should be the standard engine choice and the V8 could be optional

[@theodoreyoung8777]

Yupp to me the 2006 Lexus LS430 was the last best looking big body Lexus that’s why I own a 2006 LS430 and never getting rid of her she is a keeper beautiful on the inside out 😎

[@theodoreyoung8777]

🤝😎

[@MeynMotorGroup]

I feel like it's got the look now more than ever 😆 but many of you guys seem to like the older designs way more

[@paladin3116]

@@MeynMotorGroup i looks pretty good but it doesnt look expensive compared to the s class, 8 series or a8 imo.

[@TheShakir98]

Good vid Kev, I agree with most of your points. People who buy S class will probably never leave that car and come to buy LS. Unless Lexus creates a new generation buyer market for LS, it will sadly start to end up like Infiniti’s. I do own a Lexus and I love it but I also know that in this age of “brandwhoring” especially in North America, people will not ditch those Germans big bodies to get this. It’s actually sad to see this happening to Lexus as my whole family loves Toyota/Lexus

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Oh man I dont think it will be like Infiniti lol but yea the flagship cars people will be going Euro for the 6 figure stuff

[@theodoreyoung8777]

I agree it is sad hope Lexus doesn’t fall off into that category that Infiniti did smh

[@aryub5851]

Gas engines will become things of past soon be it German or Japanese. Lol

[@storyofmylife7080]

@@MeynMotorGroup I completely disagree with this! If you go into some of the most affluent neighborhoods where people can easily afford an S Class, including my neighborhood, most people do NOT own an S Class, they own a Lexus! That’s literally all I see these rich people driving here in the burbs in Houston and there is not a home over here less than $700K.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

That wasn’t the point that I made. What I said was most people buying a 100k car will buy European. A Lexus shopper hardly ever considers an LS because they can get an ES for almost half the price and it’s nearly as good in the real world. That’s why you see so many Lexus cars in the burbs because Lexus’ bread and butter is 50-60k cars like the ES, NX, & RX. Not the LS, LX, or LC. For the price of an LS, LX, or LC those 1% of the 1% will go Euro. 21 Million millionaires in America.

[@christopherhoughton5155]

it didn't fail. People still want a big sedan. The dealerships elevated the prices. They can't sell the new cars. YOU have created your own problem. Fix it. What happens when your ambitions scorch what you want to protect. Who wins then?

[@simoncquach]

I mean at first glance the ES looks like the LS for half the price.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

It def does even the interior is very similar

[@cwhiting]

Yea they said the same about the Chrysler 300 and the phantom. They look alike until they are next to each other. And the interior is not similar

[@ms3173]

The ES looks more like the new Camry than it does the LS...

[@MeynMotorGroup]

I think you should try an ES and LS back to back a 300 can look like a phantom but never be one. An ES is still made by Lexus. Even the mainstream says they're similar despite the price difference

[@brandonclark1422]

And that there lies your problem. It looks to much like its little brother thats $45,000 cheaper. The ES is actually roomier inside than an LS, so what sane person would shell out almost 50k for 1 inch bigger wheels that are identical to the ES F sport just smaller and just 114 more hp and the same outdated 12.3 inch infotainment system. No thanks!

[@iowanforjustice5656]

I actually listen to your entire review. I am a person who has owned 2-S CLASSES and 2-E classes my last E class was a 2018 E400 coupe’. I traded it in for a 2020 inspiration series LEXUS LS 500 AWD. I could drone on and on but I won’t. Everything and I mean everything you said in your review was 100% spot on so there is nothing for me to add. I turned heads with that $93k E400 but my Lexus not so much. Never mind the fact I saw my Mercedes’ service advisor more than my wife. The opulence in the Lexus IS on par with Rolls-Royce. I also owned a Genesis G80. The genesis is nice but as soon as you take it off the lot it’s worth $17.33. German cars are for flash not reliability. I honestly got tired of being stopped at the store with “Hey Buddy NICE CAR!” The Lexus is for old money like me. Lol. Thank you for the review.

[@klopt772]

How can lexus is have same quality as Rolls royce?

[@SibRevs]

To make the LS successful again, I think Lexus needs to go back to the original formula. Provide excellent value for the money for today's buyer. While it is an excellent car, there is no real "wow" factor. It might need some "gimmickry", but that is what sells. Also, make the car noticably longer to further differentiate it from the ES. Tone down the styling just a bit and make it look more "stately" (a little more squared off, less curves, etc). In my opinion, the "boring" LS of the 2000s sold because it looked stately. A v8 in top end models might help in the overall perception of prestige. Additionally, prioritize a modern and user friendly infotainment system that can be upgraded easily. Perhaps drop all pretense of a sporty character and go full pillowy luxury.

[@richard_4675]

I leased an LS for about 3 months, but it was simply missing some key features I expected at a car of this price, such as a smoother infotainment system. I test drove the the new Porsche Taycan and Panamera and was pleasantly surprised. I have been able to switch my lease over to a Panamera and am very happy.

[@alib8396]

In my humble opinion, the problem with the LS started from the previous model (2007 to 2017) 10 years for any luxury platform is just too long! Mercedes had refreshed the S class twice during that period. Lexus had neglected the LS for 10 years with no significant technology upgrades, no significant power increases and a basic design that stagnated for too long. I have not seen anyone yet that could explain to me what Toyota/Lexus were doing during that period. Were they asleep? Management problems? Imagine you had bought an LS in 2007 and after 8 or 9 years you visited your dealer to look for an upgrade only to see the same car only pricier! Add to that Lexus had missed almost all Auto trends in the past 10 years like 4 door coups and coup SUVs instead they canceled the GS after 7 years with no updates and the IS might soon follow suit that and their F sub brand is dieing out with no new product for 5 years now. To me, it looks like Toyota is not sure what to do with Lexus anymore. The new Toyota products are getting more luxurious and getting the new technology first in an effort to fend of Hyundai and that leaves Lexus as the Lame brand.

[@brandonclark1422]

perfectly articulated

[@caxtoneokoth5618]

They redesigned it in the 2013 design

[@jayjones3198]

Damn you articulated my thoughts too the T! Lol 😆 awesome view point

[@texan176]

The LS is supposed to be an understated conservative car that is a technology leader and great value compared to BMW 7 series and Mercedes Benz S class. This LS is none of those things. Styling is a total disaster. It looks like a big Camry outside while the inside looks like it had 10 designers working on it in different location and in isolation then 10 different approaches where forced together at the last minute to make a deadline. The V6 is a step backwards going in the Honda direction which was also a failure with the end of the RLX on the brink. The best LS was the 04-06 overall but they did cut some corners and cheaped out on things compared to older models. When the 90-94 LS was around it embarrassed the competition by being 10 years ahead of them in tech and styling while undercutting them in price by over 30 grand. The Germans and even General Motors purchased several first gen LS cars and disassembled them to study what Toyota had done. GM concluded they did not have the ability to build a competitive Cadillac at the time using the tech they had on hand. That sort of thing is what made the LS iconic. No one is purchasing this LS to do any studies. Photos of it probably hang in the R&D centers of the competition as a reminder of what not to do.

[@Kevin27182]

One thing I do think Lexus has over the other brands is the styling but that is very subjective. Not a huge fan of the rear end styling on Lexus right now tho

[@MeynMotorGroup]

That's true styling is very subjective. I like it but many in the comment section don't and many hate the grill

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

The rear end is a continuation of the 460.

[@caxtoneokoth5618]

They would have used the GS design on the LS instead of the es the GS looks way masculine & way better

[@emrahtunca01]

I absolutely love LS but it just needs superb infotainment with easy usability and better tuned air suspension. I hate fancy toys and night club lighting. The LS is the only car excites me with it's design, both exterior and interior.

[@FabienTeulieres93]

In my (humble) opinion, that's because the ES has just become too damn good. It's cannibalizing the whole Lexus sedan line-up.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Facts...if only they can make the rear seats fold down

[@maineprophetic9272]

True.. the es reminds me of the 3 series BMW. The bread and butter of its brand always there with minimal problems...

[@mybro727]

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Why are there sooo many excuses for Lexus? Can’t the same excuses be used for Lexus competitors? Can there be a Lexus review that doesn’t nail in on reliability and resale value? Two things that as a first owner of a brand new vehicle you aren’t very concerned about. What about the value proposition? The performance? The luxury? The technology? The handling? The design? Any of that worth a sale of the LS? Smh. Maybe Toyota has fallen for the mistake of catering to their own base and ignoring the market.

[@maineprophetic9272]

@@mybro727 I am afraid not Dude, I Sold cars for many years. Have been In sales for more than a 3rd of my life. And from different regions in the country. And I can honestly say that unless you making an upwards of a $100000 a year, your main objective is to highly considered And scrutinise the reliability of The purchase That you are trying to acquire. I've had dozens of customers over the years coming in My dealership with a copy of Consumer Reports under their arm Asking me How good is this vehicle and what do you think in respects to what Consumer Reports is reporting on the vehicle On its Reliability. So unless you are baller status and you can cast reliability to the wind then this is a huge pressure point with buyers that make under a 100 K. You forget The German European competitors, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, alfa Romeo, even saab in its day, rover,Jaguar, Have no subordinate brand With the exception of BMW having The MiniCooper. So the argument here is is Lexus keeping up with the big boys that do not have Subordinate brands and are still competitive? I do not add infinity/Nissan to this group because infinity really has gone downI The shItter..... And most of these guys on this thread don't even make $50000 a year but you have an opinion about the brand. And $80000 Lexus versus a $100000 plus Mercedes or BMW with the same or nearly the same tech with the best reliability on the planet? that's a no brainer. I remember a lady coming into my service department when I worked at BMW earlier this year and we were talking about cars while she was waiting to be seated and she was driving a 5 that needed some work. And I told her that I am probably going to go the way of Lexus And her eyes got as big as deer in headlights ! She told meShe has A Lexus that the only thing she does to Her 9 year old gx70 is brakes and tires Yet again, Her 5 is in service at least once a month! The person who is writing this doesn't even make $50000 a year lol lol? So we have to Aim our argument at and consider who we are talking to. Here we talking to people with big pockets or small pockets? And anyway, I believe, even though I myself agree with most of the people on this thread about Lexus cutting the V8, I believe that Lexus IS about To turn the corner on going fully electric and this is just stage one of that.Because at the end of the day in about 30 years many of us writing on this thread wont even be Alive, some will, there not going to be Any more V8 cars in production

[@NileshR12]

The shout-out to Scotty Kilmer was an unexpected but good one 😂

[@jangaroo2011]

Lexus is not listening to its customers. #1 On the street, look at an ES vs. LS.. you can't tell them apart at first glance. That's why Lexus can't sell the LS. #2 As a LS400 owner, I am the target demographic. No V8. Not buying it. Twin turbo causes the transmission to hunt. No Lexus owner wants this hunting regardless of ride. #3 LS500 tried to change to a sporty BMW handling/ride...and Lexus created a hard riding car instead of what affluent buyers wanted. #4 Nobody except owners knew this but the V6 cold start was awful which is why the engine changes. #5 No spare tire but the cutout in the trunk is still there so it saved the weight of a spare but all of the early models had terrible sidewalls on the run flats. Owners want the spare and want the comfort of real tires. How many mistakes 🤔 do they need to send buyers fleeing away from a LS500.

[@bobbyb.1743]

That LS F Sport you’re highlighting in Atomic Silver is absolutely, off-the-charts stunning!! Outside, and inside, though I’d prefer the darker (‘20) interior over the red with that car. I’ve owned a GL550, 911, BMW M5, and the LS500 just checks so many blocks for me in terms of styling, driving dynamics, and yes, reliability😂. If I wanted the S550, etc., I’d go get one. Quite honestly, I’ve found the Mercedes Benz and BMW dealership experiences suck a dead-dogs ass, at least locally. The Lexus dealership experience is far superior. Lexus needs to continue the LS and innovate the way they have w/ the current model. Had the V8 been an option (had one in my ‘08 LS, I prob would have selected that, but to your astute point, the lack of one is not a showstopper. Will prob be driving my ‘20 LS F sport for years to come - absolutely love it!! Head-turner too👀

[@afa6361]

Own a 2004-2006 LS430, and you will understand why.

[@theodoreyoung8777]

🤝😎

[@theodoreyoung8777]

The last big body best looking LS ever made to me that’s why I own a 2006 LS430 and never getting rid of her she is a keeper 😎

[@MeynMotorGroup]

LS430 will never be replicated again

[@gregmach3]

Got a ‘04 LS as my first car at 16 with only 122k!

[@theodoreyoung8777]

Exhaust Sports Auto Nope bro 👍🏾👍🏾

[@firstlast1732]

I’m a mechanic at Mercedes honestly they’re the biggest pieces of garbage I wouldn’t take one if you paid me because they’re just too expensive to repair and they’re just headaches after three years whether you have money or not.

[@omgitsme435]

They should've made a slightly below flagship SUV that can compete with the X5 and GLE/GLS. They have nothing for that. The RX is smaller and cheaper while the GX/LX are dinosaurs. They should have made a 62k to 75k SUV that is LS inspired modern and rich but undercuts the Germans bolstered by Lexus reliability.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

I believe they are working on one

[@willynelson9810]

They have remarkable reliability!!! But they need to bring they styling to the next level!!! We want head turning styling!! We want the future now!! Why keep waiting!!! Stop acting like Apple phones and being the future now!! Be the leader, not the follower!!!

[@eyesnz1]

Thanks for the video, not that I'm in the income bracket for getting a new LS. I'm quite tempted to get a 2013+ LS600. In my country we can get ex-Japan imports for 1/5 the new price with low mileage

[@chrissorreda4982]

One of the reasons i think its failing is that they sacrificed too much interior space / volume for proportions / design. Its so claustrophobic inside for a full size sedan

[@MeynMotorGroup]

That's a good point!

[@bwill357]

I wish we could see stats on lexus repeat buyers, i feel like alot of people drive their lexus longer so sales numbers per year aren't really telling the whole story...that being said my dream is for lexus to pair up the lc and ls, just have the ls be a lc 4dr grande coup with a v8 or full electric tesla killing drivetrain

[@buddysteve5543]

Nothing beats the reliability of a Lexus/Toyota!! That's the primary reason why I stick with a Lexus/Toyota vehicle because the ones I've had never had a single issue!! BMW/Mercedes are fantastic cars but they come with a price tag along with costly and endless repairs which most of us can't really afford, honestly!

[@AllEyezOnRod]

Compared to what I paid for my GS the LS price made it look liked I bought a Corolla.

[@theodoreyoung8777]

Lol

[@theodoreyoung8777]

I can imagine bro

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Facts lol

[@brandonclark1422]

And it doesn't do but just a few things better than your GS. You actually made the smarter choice. Same looks, same reliability, same infotainment, agressive design, plush interior but you paid $35,000 less. Id say you're the winner 🏆

[@georgemitchellii4598]

@@brandonclark1422 Agreed but the LS is on a different planet!

[@diemnguyen7335]

Do you think it would help Lexus if they come out with that LQ flagship SUV or LF-1 LIMITLESS they teased a few years back with an all turbocharged engine lineup and an interior that is similar to that concept?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yes that LQ is in the works I heard should def help for sure. But I don't believe it should replace the LS it should be sold along side it but who know maybe they can't afford to keep both

[@davidgillham6847]

In my opinion the biggest problem with Lexus as a brand over the last decade is that they've been far far too slow to update their cars with modern tech (i.e. new propulsion, car play, android auto, touch screen, shitty track pad, etc...) . These recent changes to the LS should've happened in the last refresh, and the hybrid should be a plug-in hybrid for sure with more performance and better economy to make the hybrid worth it! Take the IS300h here in the UK which they've now discontinued. Crazy decision really, as there are thousands of IS300h on the road here with people wanting to update, but now... no such luck. And the reason given is that they're not selling, but what the hell do they expect when the last refresh was 4 years ago with no new propulsion or infotainment tech. These are the biggest reasons why various models are really struggling in the Lexus lineup! Apart from the LC500, at this point it just feels like Lexus is always playing catch up with the Germans.

[@originalGFLEX]

A great balanced review. I'm a huge fan of the LS primarily for the way the LS 400 shook up the prestige car market exposing the deficiencies of luxury brand complacent monopoly, where breakdowns and lack of equipment seemed acceptably on par with the course of ownership, allowing manufactures to extract extra cash on top of exorbitant initial vehicle purchase cost adding options lists then expensive repair parts thereafter the latter being very lucrative.

[@devongee1776]

Both the same model year so idk if we can say the LS is losing the trend of following the flagship (the IS headlights). I don't know what's up with Lexus really. It's such a hard brand to understand as an outsider. I think you said it best towards the middle of the video: they just don't have that prestige. But the brand itself probably isn't going anywhere because Toyota just has ass loads of money. Just hope they keep improving, maybe they can become something bigger when we get into the EV future. They already look like spaceships... Not sure why there are still zero Lexus EVs

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yea im also shocked Lexus doesn't make a full EV since they are head over heels about making hybrids

[@devongee1776]

@@MeynMotorGroup exactly and it's still a market that's almost exclusive to Tesla, with other brands only having one if any, and some of THOSE aren't even obtainable cars per say, like the Taycan. Volkswagen is the only other company that has the moolah to dive into EVs, and they're doing it. The other japanese, Nissan, Mazda, Honda, they ain't there yet. I don't think Nissan has even a HYBRID on sale as a 2020 model. They just have the shitty Leaf, and that can't be selling well cuz I don't see them... And where I live is where the Leaf should be thriving.

[@suren795]

What’s the point of buying an LS when your getting 80% of it in the ES for less than half the price

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yup

[@bredrickbussey7523]

No Sir..LOL!! The LS is in a class by itself. Yes they just made the AWD ES, but it will not touch the LS. The LS will blow it off the road and most people downplay them because of the price..LOL!!

[@MeynMotorGroup]

@@bredrickbussey7523 The new ES really is all that as a pure luxury experience the ES is identical and in some cases superior in comfort to the LS espeically since the LS has run flat tires that is not helping their cause. Mainly what LS has over the ES today is the sheer speed and longer body

[@brandonclark1422]

@@MeynMotorGroup Exactly nothing else besides massaging seats, longer body, faster, better interior materials and the name comes with more prestige thats it.

[@moekon165]

My cousin has the ES f amd I have the LS 500 executive. Trust me they’re not the same!! Lol my cousin agrees 💯

[@stephendibari5010]

Absolutely spot on my friend. Would I love to own a 2020 LS? Absolutely, but realistically it’s just out of my price range. To be honest I would love to own a 2004-06 LS 430 but again I’m super happy with my 2013 ES 350 which is a phenomenal car. Bought it in April 2019 with 30,009 miles, The original owner traded it into a dealership and I was absolutely blessed to have that opportunity. I bought it for 18K which is a phenomenal price for the value of the vehicle which had a MSRP sticker price of nearly $45,000. mine has the luxury package, HID headlights, Blindspot monitoring, 17 in premium wheels and the Nav package which honestly I could’ve done without because I just use my Google Maps on my iPhone And yes I’m a huge Scotty Kilmer fan, another reason why I love Lexus (Toyota). Their reliability and craftsmanship are unparalleled. I’m set for many many years with my ES. !

[@kimofromkalihi]

They didn’t make the LS460 till 2007

[@stephendibari5010]

@@kimofromkalihi meant to say LS430. Corrected it. In April 2021 I sold my ES 350 and bought a 2002 Lexus ES 300 from the original owner. Phenomenal car the best years of the ES generation 2002 to 2006. Mine has new struts and it rides like new. Also last year replaced the original alternator and original AC compressor it started to squeal. And earlier this year I replace the original starter. This car will last me another 175,000 miles with proper synthetic oil changes every 5k miles

[@RainnMakerr]

Good analogy on the Seiko and Rolex. And to be honest most people who go for high end sedans dont care as much about reliability. especially if the car is leased. I am more of a long term owner person so the Lexus appeals more to someone like me.

[@solomonyunatanov945]

Lexus Definately should’ve made a V8 version of LS !!! Since traditionally it was invented a First Lexus Vehicle 🚗 Ever with a V8!!!! For the Enthusiasts especially

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yea but we will never get another V8 lexus again

[@user-JamesBond]

I don't know. I think you're right bring back the V8 period not necessarily twin turbo cuz you don't need it with the amount of horsepower you can squeeze out of a non-turbo V8 like the LC 500. Thanks to you I managed to replace my control arms on my 2008 LS 460. Cost me about a $1,500 total just to replace those. otherwise people are surprised that I take this thing under 300 miles an hour period rides smooth like silk.

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

It's a shame that no one cares about reliability, because I can tell you, while German cars are amazing at first with all the tech, there's no doubt that 100%, that tech will fail after a shorter time period. It's not that Europeans build terrible cars, it's that they're putting too much ambition and specialization into cars that will not work very well in terms of powertrain problems, tech problems, all of that. Lexus has that advantage. It's Toyota for crying out loud, which in my book, is the textbook definition of a reliable car in this world. If there was two luxury brands that are known and proven to last, Acura and Lexus are the two that come to my mind. Doesn't matter how much money you got, I'd certainly want my luxury car to be damn reliable as possible, and not break. It's just a messed up world, where no one even considers reliability important. HOW??? I'd 100% buy Lexus or Acura products not only for their value over European brands, but the fact that their quality and reliability is very solid and perfect for those wanting a luxury car. And I also agree that Lexus and Acura cars are just as amazing to drive in terms of dynamics and overall comfort. It's very sad that Lexus is not getting the credit they deserve, because to me, I want Lexus and Acura to continue to succeed and give us great vehicles, more so than the European brands.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Well most people that love cars have figured out how to buy them which is through lease hacking but yea I guess people don’t love cars or driving as much as I thought because no matter how many times I mention it in videos nobody seems to care oh well.

[@Ethan7s]

Nothing says German luxury like sharing your wealth with your mechanic.

[@boboutelama5748]

And yes, the LS is not attracting so much buyers anymore. But he also has a very controversial styling. The Century has a much more classic line, that extrudes MONEY from far away. In my eyes, they should give the LS a truely elegant line, and place him at the entry of the luxury price segment. It was the receipe of the LS400, and it's what is attracting lots of buyers to the Genesis lineup too.

[@alengreen589]

Hi Kevin, I think that the LS is to expensive for normal people and to cheap for rich people where want´s more Performance more HP and a V8 TT with over 550 HP therefore they buy German Brands, who give rich customer what they want and the problem in Europe is the LS cost the same money like a S-class, 7.series or a A8 and in Europe is reliability for rich customer no problem.

[@mybro727]

Here in North America too, the Lexus LS costs about the same as a S-class similarly equipped outside of the absence of that V8 bi-turbo.

[@eyang7]

I loved the gs series but sad that it went away 😔. Still rocking my 2010 gs350.

[@sarayahdirosier9422]

You didn't buy the 2013-20 so it doesn't matter

[@1981jman]

Cool video and great commentary. I'm not rich, but members of my family owned Miller Beer Distribution in the upper midwest and through Chicago. They have more money and cars than anyone I know. My aunt and uncle use to purchase Mercedes S class new, but they now hate mercedes benz because their new Benz products were always in the shop. Their time is more valuable to them than money so they now purchase much more reliable cars that aren't in the shop often. I've also worked for the Mills family, who own General Mills cereal in Minneapolis Minnesota. Mr. Mills drives an older LS430 standard trim. Judith R. Faulkner lived down the street from me in Madison, Wisconsin and she drove an older 2008 or 09 Audi S4 and she is one of the wealthiest women in the USA. Many wealthy people in the upper midwest that I've worked for don't like new cars, they like the old classic reliable ones that fly under the radar. I think if they knew that the LS500 was as good as you say, they would purchase it as well. Young rich people may like the fancy stuff in their cars, but older wise rich i work for like the reliable older cars that aren't in the shop much at all because being at the board room meeting on time is more important than looking cool in the latest crappy S550 Benz. Great video though. I like your content.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Wow this is one of the most unique and insightful comments I've ever gotten, thank you so much for taking the time to share your experiences with us! I'm not sure if many of these wealthy folks are taking into consideration crash test safety of old vs new cars but regardless, it is interesting to know. Once again, thank you for stopping by and for your kind words. God Bless!

[@johnpierce6663]

Here in Europe people who want a full size luxury car tend to stick with either the Audi A8, BMW 7 series, Mercedes S-class or the Jaguar XJ. I had my first Lexus back in 2009 which was the GS and I loved that car! But alot of people would look down their noses at me because they thought (and most Europeans still do) think that a Lexus is basically a Toyota with a different badge. That's true to an extent but the sheer level of technology, craftsmanship, reliability and their outstanding customer service they provide is second to none. Once you've had the pleasure of driving a Lexus you will never go back to Audi, BMW, Jaguar or Mercedes.

[@newyorksbest3065]

You’re right Kevin about the ES and the LS being so similar in July of 2019 I went to a Lexus event at the Texas motor speedway where I was able to drive both cars back to back it was hard to Tell the difference. The pickup and quietness of both is amazing. I’m going to wait a bit longer and get a certified preowned ES

[@flykix2117]

They look nothing of the same lol. Similar on the outside but that’s where it ends. The inside is not even in the same stratosphere. Especially with the Luxury Upgrade package in the LS.

[@naveenthemachine]

I think this is the reason The ls460 and ls600hl I think we’re the pinnacle of Lexus. The latest LS w the turbo v6 etc could alienate buyers who want traditional engines The LS legroom haas shrunk vs the last gen so that could be part of it as well. And also the price tag

[@walterndlovu6329]

It failing because of exterior styling. I swear somebody that use to work for madza styled this LS

[@MeynMotorGroup]

How do you like the Benz Bimmer and Audi?

[@matt9445]

if that is the case, i feel Mazda designers are everywhere. especially infiniti. or vice versa

[@walterndlovu6329]

@@MeynMotorGroup merc styling is nice but not for me. The boxy styling from lexus and BMW work for me but only the 3 series. Lexus though have found a way forward with the new IS in terms of styling so i say if they stick to the styling of the IS for their new models it will work out

[@stopdrpnro]

Agreed looks too much like the es,is mazda 6 , maxima etc. It just no longer stands out in any category.

[@pirex6674]

Wow...I said the same thing... it looks like the Mazda 929....

[@jameswillett7186]

According to Consumer Reports the latest reliability survey on the 2020 Lexus LS shows it's reliability has dropped to MUCH WORSE than average, which is shocking for a Lexus.

[@sultanhdnow]

The LS 500 from 2018 to 2020 has a better headlamp design before they did the redesign for 2021. the 2021's headlamp look like a IS. I don't know why they downgraded the design. At this point my 2012 LEXUS ls460L is still able to go head to head with the 2021 + LS500s ( in the term of looks ) . obviously, my LS460L It was defeated by the 2018 to 2020 LS because they had the better designed headlamps. I would advise if you want to look majestic, please purchase a 2018 to 2020 LS500 anything beyond that is a design failure

[@cahti8610]

you’re my favorite youtuber

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Thank you!

[@theodoreyoung8777]

I second that comment 👍🏾👍🏾

[@lavida57]

This is the car I love owning and driving more than any car I've owned. S and E MB's just don't stack up. Love this car. And don't see becoming best friends with the service rep, like MB.

[@jeffamburgey7485]

I really enjoyed the review and for the most part agree. With that said there are two kinds of wealth, the type that as you said, just want to be or are ballers, and the S series, the 7 series really fills the niche. However, I think that some personalities that are well positioned operate from a value standpoint, and do not want or require the flash. I don't think reliability is the strong point of Lexus, I own an 18 LS500. The interior blew me away, then and now. The lines on the car to me were beautiful. With that said I bought the car with a few thousand miles on it, and got a car that stickered for over a 100k, for 58k. I've been fortunate but it did not come quick or easy, I love the lines on the 500, but not the attention, and to some, no matter how well they have done, a good value or good deal, without the headaches of unreliability just makes sense. To each their own, but in my garage I prefer Lexus, the LS and Rx350L take care of 95 percent of anything I want or need from a motor vehicle. That other 5 percent, yes a Porsche is the scratch for the itch. For everyday life, Lexus as long as they build them, the quality can only be quantified by driving, the totality makes for some very enjoyable motoring.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Great points my friend I def agree!

[@sergiopereira9546]

Lexus is only 30 years old ,it doesnt have the heritage of the germans and i get it there in the states you see a Lexus around every corner probably , here in Portugal and as a lexus owner i feel the exclusivity of owning one , my car is 14 years old and still gets the looks just because its rare (they sold on average 1.3k cars per year over its existence over here) . I could write a full article on this topic but i will not for my own sake

[@MeynMotorGroup]

You're right about it being 30 years compared to the Euro companies that have been around for 100 years establishing itself

[@MizzAn63lin3]

I used to want a Mercedes until I lived in Germany. They used them as taxis there, so they are automatically less attractive to me now. Just bought a 2020 GS 350

[@sergiopereira9546]

@@MizzAn63lin3 solid choice :)

[@zeus-io3hn]

The last LS i had is flawless and acceptional ride quality and super reliability. 300k km i just changed my spark and coil system. There is no issue with air suspension at all. 70% city driving. Im going back to LS for my next car. No german car for me, it brings more worries. LS made for city driving not so much for highways.

[@ismaxborlar]

Like you said no one works Themselves off to be seen in a Lexus, and it doesn't help that the ES, GS and the LS look almost the same, I think that's the problem with the GS and LS, maybe with good marketing strategies abd some few tweaks the LS might bounce back. I love Lexus tho

[@amnguyen1659]

I’m retiring in a couple of years and I am looking hard at a 2017- newer Porsche Panamera and the LS 500. I have always liked the Lexus lineup. The reasons for me not buying a LS 500 are 1) the front end looks like all the other models, ES, GS etc. 2) the tech is behind, not very user friendly. 3) the interior language is hard to understand. Way too busy. While everyone else is going to simplicity, lexus has not. Also, the single speedo/tach looks good in a LC but looks outdated in a flag ship. Lastly, i think Lexus need to have a identity.

[@DJUwU]

Tbh, I think the LS interior and exterior is leagues under the Mercedes S Class. In the interior - the back row seating comfort suck compared to the TV screens/buttons you get in S Class. On the exterior...it just looks like a Toyota Avalon rebranded. S Class is just much better looking with the logo that pops out of the hood....etc. My problem is Maybach Benz is not much nicer than S class....while the Rolls Royce is leagues above the BMW and Benz/Maybachs.

[@ct7237]

Prestige is what YOU make of it. No one force you to think an S class is more prestige than the LS. You have been conditioned so and too prideful to change. I’ll keep driving my F sport in manual and power mode without turbo lag and leaving S class in rear view mirror all day long.

[@luxurreview]

To have prestige as a car brand, you would have to start 100 years ago. Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac, Lincoln, And Jaguar are luxury stalwarts. They were great in the beginning and still are. Lexus and Genesis are like high school freshmen’s trying to join the popular click full of seniors. You have to be incredibly amazing to get up there. Although Cadillac and Lincoln aren’t what they used to be or could, people will pay $120,000 for a rebadged Ford and Chevy.

[@jasonschwartz8507]

Lol Jaguar is junk now...all of the heritage has been tapped out

[@mauricemccoy-c1u]

I’m looking at a 2018 Lexus LS500 f sport awd. What do you think about the reliability and cost to own it? I’m also looking at a Lexus es f sport. Which one should I consider?

[@davidmagen415]

I bought a 2021 LS it features white leather I interior the car rides like a dream so glad I bought it

[@johnfloore9799]

Well I do want a g90 (and this is coming from an s class owner.) I think the new LS is failing because it abandoned its market, and if there was a Lexus badge on the G90, THAT would sell. Instead Lexus chose to chase "the cool kids" and go with a sportier car; yeah well that ain't who has the cash. Personally I think Toyota should bring a slightly de-contented Toyota Century (with the NA 5.0 V8 that the LC has) and sell that as the new LS. Now THAT would be the LS I've been waiting for (and would buy.)

[@polofunk]

The LS series doesn't look like a luxury car anymore it look more like a sup up Toyota Avalon.

[@alib8396]

Sorry but you must be blind to say so.

[@brandonclark1422]

I agree! it has many design queues from its mainstream bran or vice versa. The large mouth the longer, leaner , lower stance on the tnga platform has there large sedans looking exactly alike. The only difference is the premium materials they use and the smaller engine. The new Avalon and Camry's have just as much if not more tech than in a Lexus. its sad!

[@polofunk]

@@alib8396 I think you need to take a second look and plus it look like the LF

[@CarnivoreguyScott]

The LS is simply the Best car on the road for the money and in its class . Hands-down , and I’m on my fourth one since 2007’ .

[@yeshayahu8358]

Lexus is an upscale car for the middle class. While the German cars like Mercedes and BMW are upscale cars for the upper class. Each has their own problems, but it comes down to what you are willing to tolerate. I'm a Lexus boy through and through, but everyone has their own cup of tea they enjoy. Hope this helps.

[@storyofmylife7080]

Middle class? Some of their cars are over $100K. What the fuck are you talking about???!

[@lemko1968]

Dumping the V-8 for one. I was looking at a LS and mistakenly thought “LS500” meant 5.0 V-8. I was seriously dismayed to learn it only had the 3.5 V-6 under the hood. Shouldn’t it then be a LS350?

[@marcodalpoz864]

Power and torque figures of the twin turbo V6 are the same of the NA V8. So they called it 500.

[@CoralGablesFL]

My wife and I own an RX 350, an LC convertible, and a 4Runner. They are very different vehicles, but they are all very reliable. Reliability is very important to me; I think that is so because my first car was a 1969 Fiat 850 Spyder! I still remember all the times I had to get out of that Fiat to push it to the side of the road. I’ll take a Toyota or Lexus any day over a Mercedes or other European car. I want my cars to work. Having said all that, I think Lexus should offer a V8 option on their Flagship LS. Nightclub lights would be nice, too!

[@markgitman6063]

Nobody can beat lexus in service. They offer the best customer experience during the life ownership. Removal of v8 was the deal breaker for me. I traded my ls 460 for bmw g12. V8 twin turbo 370 kW power and 12 litters per 100 city driving. Lexus has nothing even close to this . Infortaiment system in 2016 model is miles ahead of their outdated 2020 and even 2021 ls. But I do miss the Lexus service. BMW needs to learn from Lexus.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Lexus service is def the best for sure

[@fearfears570]

I’m a fan of the LS! Had a 97 LS 400 for 17 years, and 300K plus mi, sold it for 2K! Got a 13 LS 460 and Love it! You don’t have to buy new, because they’re so reliable and not as expensive to maintain as the German cars... just my 2 cents...

[@L52-r5g]

When is the new model coming

[@AlanForde-CheyneMS]

Lexus lost their way awhile ago.....when they first came out they targeted the german 3, and as their tagline the relentless pursuit of perfection is what they were about...but they didnt keep up and update their lineup fast enough to keep up. Hence the loss of the GS. While the Germans continue to sell cars, Suv's in all sorts of configurations Lexus seems content to ride their hobby horse of the RX, ES, and NX

[@NileshR12]

10:20 Nightclub seizures 😂😂

[@marvinalhakim643]

I’ll be honest here.... I work at a lexus dealer and I’ll tell you this. The LS does not have a stunning interior unless you step into a premium/luxury package or you step into the executive package with the kirko glass. Any other time level (base/ f sport) are ok but nothing crazy. I’d say that the S560 has a WAY better interior but at the end of the day, we all know that Mercedes are nutritious for electrical issues but I will say we got a few luxury packaged 21 LSs but I personally myself would rather have an S560. If they change the interior and move towards an S560 interior look then I feel it’ll take the cake. I also like how you mention that Lexus is losing on LCs and that’s true. They’re offering CRAZY discounts on the LCs and they end up being loser deals instead of profitable deals. And not to mention..... getting rid of the 4.6 V8 was probably the worst decision they ever made. All out LS owners were PISSED when they found out they got rid of it for a TT V6. We’ve already had to replace numerous LS TT V6 motors because of the turbos blowing in the cars.

[@TheSpeedfreak665]

LSF is what is needed with a V8.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Lolol

[@robertmontgomery7158]

Last time I drove an LS I found the infotainment system to be terrible with the lack of buttons. Is that still true?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yea

[@jove1155]

Thats why I wont get a Lexus again. Until they revise that remote crap. And its basically still the same system overall from the 2000s. Shameful.

[@luxurreview]

Lexus replaced Buick as the car of the middle class. And Lexus has lost its luxury and craftsmanship focus. Now they have a weird mix of sportiness and luxury, and it does not work.

[@little123456788]

When they discontinued the GS and put the 4 cylinder Camry engine in the ES "AWD" that's when I knew Lexus lost it's way. Pretty much they are a reliable Buick at this point.

[@MWTH73]

I own a 2019 LS 500 Fsport and I love it, with the exception of the lack of Lexus Noise and ride quality like the LS 460 and the need to use the Pad to make adjustments. I agree the newer models which I only have viewed I really don't like the head light change and the touch screen looks like something they just dropped in to address peoples complaints regarding the touch pad. Great Review and right on the money I really doubt I will by an LS again which was always my favorite car. Thanks for sharing

[@PANICiii]

I like the analogy with GS (Grand Seiko). That's how I feel with Lexus - same reason I love my GS watches, same reason I'm a Lexus Fanboy. Or maybe I'm just a huge MadeInJapan Fanboy.

[@mclovin6629]

The ES is basically a baby LS, That's why people like it more, The LS is just to expensive for what it is plus it should of been a crossover but kinda late for that since the "LQ" is coming out soon. I think they should turn the LS into a fast Electric sport back suv like the X6 or Tesla Model X🙏🏽

[@JosePerez-mx1wv]

I love Lexus the LS is 🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@TheBjjones]

Lexus doesn't have a "prestige" problem per se, it's the lack of innovation & dated, uninspired technology that's tainting the image of the brand & turning off Lexus loyalists/potential luxury car buyers.

[@lindenblvd25]

That 10-speed automatic can't decide what gear to be in was always my issue.