Why The Library is a Terrible Speedrun

[@nervydestroyer]

Thanks to the following for letting me use their clips: SlothSG - twitch.tv/slothsg Cambid - twitch.tv/camb1d

[@sbplankton_1999]

Part of missing Timestamp 9:18 The 2nd Floor

[@wunderstein8224]

As a massive halo fan since day 1, who's played every level of every halo game, especially the original 3 Bungie games hundreds of times over 20 years but am not a speedrunner, I find these videos immensely fascinating. It's like living in a house for decades and then someone comes over and knocks down a wall to reveal all these other rooms you never even knew were there this whole time.

[@cartermarrero9431]

No one asked for your dumb analogy get a life nerd.

[@xMaugrex]

Even in a casual playthrough, my first time running through this level felt like I was at the mercy of RNG...

[@Nazgul094]

Fr, running through this level never feels the same every time I play it.

[@ComradeJello]

that level took away 3 hours of my life making me regret the heroic run put i endured and looked up to skip keyes mission to finish the campagin quicker made me pissed off i had to speed run the end of the game lol

[@regularphill]

12:48 freaky

[@raam1666]

OMG bro 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@LarshHill]

😂

[@lamb6276]

What if instead of the parasite it was the freakasite and instead of burrowing in your chest it burrowed in your ass

[@tubesteakdrake7746]

12:50 the infection form got exited

[@SlothSG]

REMOVE THE DOORS

[@NoobsonXbox]

bro just make a CE speedmod ez wr

[@Spartan_Tanner]

THEY'RE COMING FOR US IT'S OUR ONLY WAY OUT!

[@BeeDaWorker]

Someone should mod that

[@warreng675]

In all the levels

[@tacos4078]

I love how my favorite level is a "speed runner" nightmare lol

[@TK--ch9jl]

Who... who loves the Library?

[@Accrovideogames]

@@TK--ch9jl It's a fun action horror level for a casual playthrough. Unless you don't like the sudden change in play style, the only legitimate complaint is that the level layout is very repetitive.

[@TK--ch9jl]

@@Accrovideogames i was mostly being dramatic. I agree.

[@petrisateri9646]

I just played through CE with my gf, and this was her first touch with an fps game. Being used to playing library on legendary, blasting away on easy while my gf is running around screaming was actually pretty satisfying

[@TheBlackBuddha17]

I subbed at 2.97k subs. I can tell youre going to make it man, you have the voice, the energy, the everything. You got this dude dont stop making videos! Cant wait for the day you hit 100k!

[@frogarchist]

nervyVid3: Revenge of the Tyson

[@artman40]

So all this Library randomness in addition to the second level shenanigans? It's a miracle that there are still so many people trying to run this game!

[@connorking6852]

The rng seed equation demonstration took me out lmfao

[@b34rfac3]

Such a well put together and informative video nervy. Makes me want to run the library. 🎉❤

[@tonywhitburn]

The fact that to speedrun this hellish level you literally need to get an infection on Chief's ass tells you all you need to know about the Library

[@backslash153]

These are great and you've got a really interesting/entertaining way of explaining it all, perfectly scratching my reignited Halo-itch.

[@Mickeyds11]

hope you get more subs man, you deserve it. this content is solid!

[@ABoxIsMyHome]

One of the few channels I watch without judging by the lack of views

[@KarbineKyle]

Excellent video! Thank you! Ah . . . The infamous "shotgun glitch." I noticed that something was wrong with infected Marines and Elites: If you shoot them with a human/ballistic weapon (pistol, assault rifle, shotgun, sniper rifle), it will sometimes ricochet off of them, especially up close. I was messing around shooting a dead flood, and up close, it would ricochet. I remember thinking "Why did my shield/health drain after that shot?" I'm not a speed runner, but I _love_ this game! I always try to kill _every_ enemy, even on Legendary, unless they spawn infinitely in certain areas. I still have my original _Halo: CE_ game disc from 2001, and it still works! I play it to this day on the XBOX 360! It's lightning-in-a-bottle! _117_

[@dominantasmr578]

I love these Halo CE videos, keep em up! Amazing work man!

[@warreng675]

The best Library speedrunner is Guilty Spark. He can teleport to anywhere in the level, he don't need no Flood bumps. Beats us all

[@wackeeeeee8612]

Great vid! It really an event, seeing a perfect library live.

[@jacobcentamore4901]

I love the library as it uses the floods' mechanics to tell the story of how horrific they are without needless dialogue. But man, gameplay wise, oof.

[@nervydestroyer]

Same, honestly. I've always viewed Library as an excellent concept that just wasn't executed very well

[@mikemanners5803]

I always wished there was an outside part to the library in Halo CE

[@Sleepy_Joe]

Just leaving this here for when the algorithm picks this one up

[@theshadowj]

Loved the video, keep making these please!! Minor statistical nitpick though: For the "last" door, shouldn't you account for the scenario where BOTH human flood spawn and are revivers? It doesn't make much difference, but it would add a couple percentage points to the likelihood of the trick working.

[@nervydestroyer]

That is included in the calculation of the first human spawn being a reviver :)

[@theshadowj]

@@nervydestroyer I guess you didn't say what was happening with the other one in that scenario, my mistake!

[@nervydestroyer]

@@theshadowj Yeah I kept the details a little skinny to avoid bombarding with too much math lol

[@kota8649]

Spark cant teleport us to the 4th floor because the elevators are the locking system for the index

[@Essman614]

How dare you teach me math

[@amaryllicious]

I can't wait for you to go through every level in Halo: CE and explain why they're terrible for speedrunning. In all seriousness, another great video! I love watching your content.

[@INFILTR8US]

They're all terrible for speed running because speed running is itself a stupid concept

[@amaryllicious]

@@INFILTR8US cool, thanks! i didn't know that!! i'm just gonna delete this comment and report this channel now. you really saved me there, otherwise i could've been watching something whimsical and silly on the internet! thanks, stranger!!

[@INFILTR8US]

@@amaryllicious No problem! "Vrrroooooooooom" LoL 😆

[@patlen1237]

@@INFILTR8US Why do you think so?

[@ryanverbryck5151]

The attention to detail here is amazing, keep it up yo💯 what would you say your favorite mission is to speedrun?

[@nervydestroyer]

I’d say my favorite is probably between Truth and Reconciliation and The Maw. Those are the ones I play the most these days.

[@rtvtictaczac727]

Ok with all this knowledge a casual vs speed run for halo similar to friendly barons GTA V casual vs speed run where you have a split screen with an approximate time it takes for each player one being a casual player and one being a speed runner and shows the gameplay differences between the two including the strats the speed run uses that would be something that I would love to see but for halo ce

[@ZontarDow]

The shotgun glitch has got to have been kept intentionally to make it harder because there's no way it got through QA.

[@SlothSG]

It can happen with any weapon. Can go from full hp no shields to 1 red off a jackals plasma overcharge. It's as if Chief's damage modifier gets added to the enemies. It's really weird.

[@isenokami7810]

@@SlothSGMost of the stuff Nervy’s talked about in these latest two videos wouldn’t turn me away from Halo CE: the technical stuff and annoyances are all speedrunning stuff, I’m not a speedrunner, I just like hearing about these things. The shotgun glitch, though, that affects everyone regardless of how they’re playing. And I’m not a fan of some random bug having a decently high chance of telling me to go f$&@ myself.

[@frogarchist]

​@isenokami7810 It sucks but it's still pretty rare. Since I started running last year I've had it happen only once or twice. If you don't play the game over and over like speedrunners, you'll probably never encounter it.

[@SlothSG]

@@frogarchist in almost 4 years it's only happened about 10ish times to me. Maybe 15

[@isenokami7810]

@@frogarchist Ah, is that so? Definitely got the impression from this that the glitch was a lot more common, enough to be a problem in casual runs. If it’s in fact that rare, though, then I’m reminded of death effects in Final Fantasy XIII. I’d heard how terrible enemy instant kill abilities were, especially in one of the final battles, since your party leader dying is an instant game over; on the other hand, spamming Death yourself is an often recommended late game cheese. The thing is, it’s not like the instant kill chance is any higher in FF13 than any other game. Taking that final battle for example: it kicked my @$$ in a recent attempt, but for all the times he went for the instant kill move, it only actually triggered once. And on the other hand, a fight where I was recommended to cast Death and hope it works killed a past run; I was basically hinging my odds of victory on carrier bump. The effect has great potential for calamity or cheese, but is much too rare to worry about or count on. I guess the shotgun glitch is the same way for casuals: you have that very real chance of getting screwed and instantly dying…but you probably won’t.

[@mattguy1773]

8:02 master chief does a ton of really cool stuff in the novels like killing an odst in a fist fight at age 14

[@wunderstein8224]

Marvin Mobutu is one of the coolest halo lore characters in the entire halo universe. In The Flood, master chief finds out that guilty spark actually brought him through the library first and despite being just a marine, no augmentation, no MJOLNIR power armor, he made it through the library against all the flood only to fall within sight of the index. One of the most badass human beings in the entirety of the halo lore.

[@TheBurningWarrior]

Not to sell him short, he killed 2 and permanently disabled another 2 in a 1v4 boxing match between teen chief and 4 fully grown fully badass ODST.

[@slueepy1232]

​@@TheBurningWarriorAlso, he was still weakened and recovering from the augmentation surgery

[@OozyGorilla]

8:29 THAT'S why that happens? That's so dumb! It don't make no sense!

[@FabianLuna-z9w]

tbh it was FLOODED WITH CARRIER FORMS (get it flooded)

[@connorking6852]

Love when the flood says “ITS FLOODIN TIME” gotta be the best character besides John halo

[@allie_nord]

11:34 Wait, so Master Cheeks is canon?!

[@ryu411]

It’s grown on me, but I can understand the criticisms against the stage.

[@ReaIHuman]

The speed run for this level is hell.

[@DaRkJoKeR77]

Would it be possible to make a separate modded category with the Library doors removed?

[@taylordcraig]

ftl music, did you license that?

[@fromthegrave69]

Great video Nervy. Well done

[@sourcherrycrunch]

14:23 its okay bro i had cancer. I'll give you the c-word pass

[@JackValeroMusic]

I actually love the library for the very reasons everyone hates it. I love that it's such a grind and relentless, sets up the flood as a great enemy that just keeps coming.

[@JackValeroMusic]

Very good point about Guilty Spark just teleporting you to the index, literally never thought of that and it's a huge plot hole.

[@bear499]

I've never cared for speedruning. I never really got the point of it. But playing the Library normally is frustrating and rage inducing enough. But as a speed run, it's got to be like 10 times more frustrating because there's nothing you can do to actually move the game along in some sections.

[@Palendrome]

"one of the most notorious levels in the entire halo franchise" No, it IS the most notorious level in all of Halo, and one of the most notorious levels in all FPS games ever

[@BusterBeaton]

babe wake up new nervy

[@swonardian342]

fantastic video as always

[@sourcherrycrunch]

12:48 got his ass ate and didn't even teleport... fake glitch...

[@nicolae-alexandruluca7853]

The moment you said about the shotgun doing insane amount of damage if the same tick happens of you firing yours and them firing their shotgun,actually it isnt true.What happens is that the flood have a 85% damage nerf when using the shotgun when a flood dies the shotgun goes to its weapon state levels of damage which means that 85% nerf is removed and the inaccuracy the shotgun has is kicked in,btw flood are like 3 times more accurate with it then you which is bullshit btw,so that also gets sent back to the levels of inaccuracy the player has with it Edit:the shotgun glitch kill motivated me to rebalane the shotguns accuracy and damage output to the legit point where flood no longer have a damage nerf of 85%,now they do the exact same damage as you do with the same accuracy,they can no longer 1 shot kill you even if you shoot them dead and they activate thedeath fire wildly

[@nervydestroyer]

Yeah I figured it was something along those lines of accuracy and damage values reverting to base. It’s similar to the brute shot on H3 doing base multi damage when a brute is deathshotting (which has trolled many an Easy runner). The “insane amount of damage” was more just to emphasize how it one-shots you when it happens.

[@isenokami7810]

Um, that shotgun glitch…is that triggered by the speedrun somehow, or does that just happen when you’re using a shotgun in this level? In the latter case, that seems like a “how did no one catch this” kind of major issue.

[@nervydestroyer]

It happens regardless of speedrun or not, it even happens on the OG xbox.

[@isenokami7810]

@@nervydestroyer Ah. Yeah, that’s a problem. The shotgun looks to be, as you said, a necessity, whether you’re speedrunning or not. And while I admittedly forgot about grenades a lot when I was playing the later games (never did play CE), you did a good job demonstrating how useful they are in general as part of going over the run. These are powerful, extremely useful tools any player would want to have and use…so that very real chance of instantly dying for using them is alarming, and realistically it should’ve come up at least once in playtesting.

[@mckecJam]

AINTNOWAY

[@mrFIZZY_YT]

60th

[@caramelldansen2204]

:)

[@Wolfstanus]

Its good that its a bad speed run. No game should ever be made to consider speed runner. There are not enough of you to consider it as a concern. Like the random twitter outrages

[@party4lifedude]

And yet, random twitter outrages still managed to change the direction of the entire games industry.

[@Wolfstanus]

@@party4lifedude Oh yeah we can see the game industry is crashing now because they wanted to pander to the twitter crowd. Good job

[@party4lifedude]

@@Wolfstanus Is it really crashing though? Or is that just wishful thinking. People have been saying this for years and years, and yet here we still are with nothing changing. At most this amounts to a temporary dip in the stock price, which is only going to make them even more money when the outrage quietly fades away in 3 months and everyone forgets like they always do. People are still going to line up around the block to pick up their pre-orders, and spend tens of thousands of dollars on microtransactions. We aren't a part of the equation at all. It doesn't make a difference to them how we personally feel about it as long as they continue raking in billions of dollars. I'd love to be wrong, believe me.

[@Wolfstanus]

@@party4lifedude ubisoft has lost nearly 90% of its stock value. May not survive 2025. Ubisoft pulled out of advertising in japan. Ubisoft pulled press versions. Ubisoft admits outlaws was a disappointment. (Not the only company failing but its a prime example) Sony, lost nearly 1 billion on 1 title. Ms, lmao. Massive layoffs industry wide. Lots of studios shut down etc etc. Lots of projects have ended. Multiple strikes etc And you want to tell me its doing healthy? "A temporary dip" its been in a slump and getting worse since covid lockdowms ended. This is a crash

[@party4lifedude]

​@@Wolfstanus Firing all the talent just so they can start over with new ones in the next cycle is something they always do, just like with the animated film industry. They have been shutting down all the smaller studios and projects they bought up over the last couple of years in order to "eliminate the competition" for their other big titles that are still selling all the lootboxes and microtransactions. They might be downsizing the artists and writers and developers, but the people who are in charge who make all the bad decisions in the first place always manage to keep their jobs or move on to the next company with a promotion. Sadly, most of these companies could probably never sell a new game again, and they would still make up their profits elsewhere as they are already major tech monopolies that sell consoles and other things. And long as the shareholders get fed a good line of BS from paid-off journalists, they will keep trading as if nothing happened. I'd love to see the bloated disgusting bubble finally pop, but that just sounds too good to be true to me.

[@rasecinno]

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[@rasecinno]

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[@frogarchist]

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[@rasecinno]

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