Why The Livewire S2 Del Mar Could Be The Perfect City Bike!

[@biffjoesen2529]

The range falling of a cliff from city to open road was eye-popping.

[@Cre8Lounge]

Its the opposite of gasoline mileage.

[@ChitFromChinola]

I put my reservation in on the first day. Love the innovation in this space, and this design is brilliant.

[@krzysztofk9601]

Still way too expensive for what it is made for but it is first electric bike that realy appeals to me and if I have a bag of coins I would strongly consider to buy this model. I think it is a good direction and I can't wait to see the electric bikes market in a few years 🔥

[@grahamking2733]

“Just charge it when you get home” you said, umm! 37% of properties in the UK don’t have a driveway. In Towns and Cities it’s even higher because of the prevalence of flats etc. So if you can’t charge at work what do you do? Abandon your bike somewhere on a street charger if you could find one? I don’t think so cos it won’t be there when you get back.

[@GingerPiston]

Exactly this.

[@nicerides9224]

I like what harley is doing with electric bikes. I can understand them having them under a different name as well. That's a nice looking bike and would make a great commuter. Only problem for me would be getting to the twisties for a blast. Pricewise it's not too bad if you consider savings in fuel and maybe less overall maintenance costs except there's a big question mark over the battery in that regard. The weight drop from the first one is quite significant too which is a huge plus.

[@lenneavy]

If there is a place electric bikes can gain more popularity and become available price-wise for broader audience, it's big cities and I'm happy producers are going that way. One thing I would like to see in the specs sheet is city range in cold and warm weather, as season in climate similar to UK's could start in April and endwell into November. Price is still a problem for me but it someone can afford it, it looks like a great every day rider.

[@Captain-Donut]

Incredible articulate presentation 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 love from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@jonnybegood4848]

-Just bought a 1290r. Like past super bikes I've owned, I'm at 95 miles to warning on reserve. I'm still waiting for that electric bike that will give me some confidence and peace of mind for when I edge out of my minimum range of roaming.

[@itsvannmejia1445]

i would like that cool desing with a 700 cc ptwin engine

[@artvertex4152]

Looks and specs are nice. Unfortunately, I think the price will still be a problem.

[@jamessloanofficial]

Yep…unless and until manufacturers get their electric offerings within about a 10% premium over a comparable ICE bike, sales will continue to be dismal.

[@JP-xd6fm]

Yes, I want an electric motorcicle but I don't want to pay over 9K, so I have to wait until someone (probrably a chinesse company) makes one

[@bradleybaker8894]

As an urban commuter it might be just the thing for some riders. That said, the current Livewire S2 Del Mar could never be my only bike. It does not meet all my wants and needs.

[@Subarusyndicate]

It’s a cool bike. I wish I could afford it because in many suburbs or cities it would be ideal to get around. The price is still just extremely high for a commuter motorcycle.

[@Patiboke]

5:10 I would advise getting an electric bike with a specified range at least 3x the range you will actually use. The manifacturer posts optimistic values, you're heavy, there's wind, when it's cold or hot batteries perform less and they deteriorate when they have some miles on them.

[@jaide1312]

My problem with electric motorcycles is that an ebike or electric scooter is much more suitable for getting around urban areas. In a well designed city a motorcycle would be far from the optimal choice.

[@nicerides9224]

E-bikes and electric scooters are ok but they aren't quite the same as a machine that does 0-60mph in 3.1 seconds. That's some serious acceleration.

[@jaide1312]

@@nicerides9224 That is a good point. Problem is that in urban scenarios you just don't get to do that. But if you live close to some twisties, hey, that sounds like a good time.

[@sonalfernando2342]

ICE engine vehicles already come to its peek performance over decades of development but evs are still in its beginning there is so much room to improve every aspect of an ev.

[@whylie74]

Is it really that slow that woolly jumpers and linen suit jackets are appropriate kit?

[@CoasterRob]

It may be perceived a city bike but the fact it takes 78mins to charge makes it appear long distance travel could be possible which is why the Del Mar is 2nd alternative option to the Mulholland

[@Ellisian]

everything's already been said about its functionality and price, but if i can say, it does look quite pretty! if only harley was willing to put some of these design cues into a more accessibly priced petrol bike 🙄

[@linopontes]

Nothing a 125cc scooter wouldn't do... and you save yourself over 10k for a 2nd bike that is more suitable for longer distances/ faster roads.

[@sonalfernando2342]

Why all of this negativity, electric vehicles still in experimental era when its develop over time everyone going to get benefit from it so be patient.

[@OntarioAndrews415]

Looks nice. Good review. Thanks! :)

[@dennisbuckley]

Suburban range? Check. Home charging? Check? No hang ups about EVs? Check. If price wasn’t a hurdle this could/would suit my daily ride ✅

[@nicomonkeyboy]

...were it not so hideously expensive.

[@BMWHP2]

Nice bike. Whe you only use it for work/home rides, it will do. But for riding you bike for everything else, neah. Even the FTR1200S will do longer range, and fill-up is within 3 minutes.

[@izaacmp]

I noticed that the LiveWire video playing in the background is set in Seattle, do you know where I can find the full video?

[@Stickybutton]

Hang on, didn’t Long Way Up settle that mileage issues on that show?

[@domsbits3922]

If I get a electric bike. I want it to make a LOUD futuristic wiiiizzzz sound

[@axelotl86]

Charging speed is the only real problem (price is going down over time) with electric motorcycles.

[@bobz1736]

Nice one Bob ! I understand manufacturers of EVs don't recommend you charge above 80% or drop below 20%, for battery longevity; is the max range based on the 60% band of battery charge or a theoretical 100% to 0% battery usage... that they don't actually recommend? I wish they'd be more transparent as it only leads to disappointment for many owners when they find out the truth after purchase. 🤔

[@Dave-sw2dm]

There are a lot of cautions out about charging EVs indoors. That is a non starter for me.

[@samuelvalentine1]

What's the craic with flats / houses without drives for these city bikes? I've seen plenty of older bikes chained up and covered but wouldn't want to be running a cable out the front door and across the pavement. Is this infrastructure really there?

[@JpOcDenver]

Too expensive. Other than that, looks fantastic. $17k US buys a HELL of a gasoline motorcycle.

[@bensmith7536]

i stopped at the skateboards..... are the target buyers 14 years old, mid life hipsters or random skaters of who knows what age, who have that cash?????

[@davereinhart9933]

Harley should produce thousands of these. It seems these are perfect city bikes.

[@charlienyc1]

Well they will as long as thousands of people buy them!

[@tunesfortoons6507]

Not having L3 fast charging is a deal breaker for any electric bike. Where electrics fall short is longer range highway riding. You might say motorbikes are functionally best for urban riding, but the dream and salespitch of motor cycle riding has mostly been to sell that sense of freedom; to go where you want. This isn't possible with a bike that can only go 60 miles. And for the price of $20k, it's not really like you're going to buy this as a 2ndary bike next to your tourer bike. For that amount of money you'd want a bike that can do both. Now the fix to all of this was L3 charging which the first LiveWire has. You can go out on trips, and even if the mileage is only 60 miles, it doesn't matter because with fast modern charging you could be topped off within 10 minutes. The above might a moot point for the USA market where charging points outside or cities might be further apart than 60 miles anyway so this bike wouldn't suit longer trips there anyway. But in Europe where everything is a lot denser and charging points are everywhere, missing out on L3 completely destroys the appeal of this bike to a large target audience. And in turn, makes it a fancy €20k motorcycle only used for commuting. A usecase for which it competes with €3k e-bicycles and cheap modern €20k nissan leafs which can perform double duty as secondary "grocery shopping cars".

[@Firestorm637]

I own Teslas. Lithium ION batteries like to be kept in the 20-80% range for longevity, not 0-100% range. The LFP(lithium IRON) batteries love 0-100%, but heavier and just becoming more popular. Lithium IRON longevity is much longer than Lithium ION

[@yorkchris10]

Seems a bit of a dichotomy with CVO VVT just being released. A few years before we see VVT equivalent on CVOwire.

[@johnlaw5762]

That some serious acronyming 😵‍💫

[@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou]

$22,500 equivalent for the UK paint model? 100 could be ambitious, lol.

[@Desmo904]

The thing that gets me is when a range is stated as say 110 miles. Is that using 100-0% battery? Or, is it using the often touted 80-20%? Because 80-20 is only 60% useable capacity of the battery pack. This bike is quite stylish and a fair bit cheaper than the S1 I have to say.

[@cable1722]

The range quote is 100% to 0%. I don't see 80% to 20% very often but 20% to 80% is frequently used to give you an idea of charge time with EVs. 20%, because that's a reasonable safety margin and 80% because above that most EVs slow down the charge significantly so it makes sense to move on. Realistically, you leave home at 100%, run it down to 10% and recharge up to 80%. So you can use 90% on your first leg and 70% of the max range after that. Saying that. If this bike doesn't have DC rapid charging it won't really slow down above 80%, so you may as well charge for longer at a stop, but it does suggest it'd be a big pain to do any journeys with more than one leg in per day.

[@beer3029]

Surprisingly there will be some people that will actually buy one and then brag that they have a motorcycle.

[@stockey]

My DIY Ebike does 60mph, costed me $1500, no license, registration or insurance.

[@CyrilZaharchenko]

I don't think someone will buy it as a commuter bike. It is just an expensive toy. For commuting in town there are small capacity scooters, they are unbeatable!

[@GingerPiston]

How many people in London do you imagine will be able charge their bikes at their home overnight?!

[@howlingmocassin2917]

that range is pretty poor and that will start to degrade immediately, just not enough yet........

[@destroyer-im7qe]

Too expensive! I will wait when price drops 50%

[@tomhan]

5 days to paint??! for meh paint?

[@dsofe4879]

That's a lot of money for something tasked to do the same job as a scooter

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

looks pretty cool, abit expensive

[@frankhall401]

A big heavy motorbike for city use? For short urban trips you just can't beat a scooter. Lightweight, fast enough and stacks of storage space.

[@tonydare7614]

Agree about weight and size. The Zero FXE is the perfect city commuter for me and maybe the most fun you can have on two wheels!

[@_AnanasIEgenJuice_]

What is the argument for getting this instead of getting a MT07 or similar and save thousands for other stuff?

[@realMysta]

If you watch the video you can surmise that you can basically buy this for commuting, vs having something that 10000 other people have. If you aren't a motorcycle enthusiast you are probably going to have a relatively safe ride(no gears), each 'fill up' will be like a dollar, so cheaper on the daily. Never really have to stop at a charging station(for daily use). Plenty of reasons, they just may not be reasons for YOU.

[@_AnanasIEgenJuice_]

@@realMysta if you can ride this with no gear you can also ride a MT07 with no gear, but I recommend wearing gear. Would love to see the math on how many miles you need to go through before the cheaper charging catches up to the much cheaper buying price of the MT07.

[@jasoncrandall]

Regen adds zero electricity to the battery. Lots of videos on the subject.

[@Szlejer]

From the tire selection it's guaranteed to handle like crap... Which is a great thing in the city... Muricans, LOL.

[@ganuvien]

E motorcycles only make sense for city dwellers and commuters tbh. It will be a long time before technology gets remotely close to gas bikes and on top of that the sound of one helps be seen in traffic even though studies will deny it...... When I look in peoples side mirrors and I see them glance when they hear my bike says otherwise.

[@realMysta]

"Motobob: Look! This isn't great for open riding but it's great for city" "Comments: This thing is not good for open riding! *Grr*" 🙄 As always, step in the right direction, will still be niche for now but the moment it's the most viable option it will probably be so by a margin.

[@Labgorilla]

It’s more honest. I agree. It’s still ass for the price. When is someone going to sort out battery technology?

[@nickb3968]

lol......$15K USD for a mostly city only bike....no thank you.

[@TheRtHonJimStiffOG]

How much???? How are the people that this bike appeals to supposed to buy this??? Can't see any electric bike turning my head away from a Tuono V4 errrr ever!!!

[@edteach3r]

Del Mar… from the sea? Strange choice of a name for a bike, particularly if it is electric.

[@AdventuresonZero]

harkens back to the daytona flat track racing on the beaches 100 years ago

[@jacobrussell2414]

I would love a ev bike as my commuter. It just makes sense for my needs. People just miss the point of this bike. I'm not going to take a cbr1000rr-r as my adv bike. I understand bikes limitations. Don't use this bike as a touring bike. Buy a bike that fits your needs.

[@paul_london]

Not enough range unfortunately

[@user-jr1cs6ob3m]

When are they going to learn. They need to be price conscious. I'll wait for Honda to get involved in Electrics.

[@notw312]

wish they were coming to Canada....would love to try one!

[@Firestorm637]

Look what electric vehicles have accomplished in just 10 years vs 100 years of gas. look at the 700-1000 horsepower EV cars out there.

[@harduka9126]

Battery powered tools,,,yes,,,electric motorcycles,,,not for me,,,no comparison when it comes to ICE on range, dependability, cost and parts, servicing and repairs. DIY = satisfaction and quality guaranteed.

[@jimgordon3468]

Um no. Purchase yourself a brand new Honda nc750x DCT for$10,000 . You're gonna get 70mpg. 200 miles per tank. And it's a bike that will last forever.

[@niteshsharma8493]

It's batter than f77😂

[@Carter0steph]

A little to expensive for a City Bike 🤔

[@joeln6861]

Too expensive and not enough range for a good couple of hours ride around your home area. Don't even get me started on any kind of longer ride or tour where you have to stop for and hour and 15 minutes. every hour..... that's more waiting than riding.....

[@jonathandavies6862]

100 bikes for the special edition 18k and 15k for standard one. A commuter is not buying this. Manufacturers are still so far out if touch with reality on these electric bikes

[@gigi9467]

Still about 5k to much for an around town toy

[@TriumphAventura]

all electric bikes will end in a landfill...I will wait for fuelcell versions get popular and cheap

[@WyreForestBiker]

Betamax bike.

[@douglasladowski6342]

Livewire = new coke

[@FlyingFun.]

Id have one if it wasnt ridiculous expensive and pathetic range .😂😂😂

[@niteshsharma8493]

10000 dollars prise, 152 km top speed, 240 km real-world range can be good electric bike.

[@christopherjongte865]

Electric bike?? Ugh... If you just want a mode of transport to go to and from work in thr city? Ride a bicycle. I don't think a super expensive battery between your legs is the way. Even most 110cc scooters or bikes are so much more reliable and efficient.

[@David-vb8tg]

If it comes down to electric bikes only allowed, I'll just put riding aside...Depressing..

[@Ramonatho]

Ah yes, the classic I never actually liked the thing I liked opinion

[@David-vb8tg]

@@Ramonatho There will always be used petrol bikes around. And the transition to elecetric is going to take longer than governments think, considering one electric car pulls as much power as about 10 houses combined over a week...that...and nobody can get new mines off the ground because of environmentalists so electric cars are going to remain expensive...

[@currycel470]

​@@David-vb8tg just accept buddy. Transition is already happening. Every car manufacturer has 3-4 EV models, just in 5 year same will happen with bikes.

[@Ramonatho]

@@David-vb8tg there will always be used petrol bikes but petrol is gonna cost 40 bucks a gallon at some point in the future so have fun bleeding your bank account on that front

[@David-vb8tg]

@@currycel470 Again. The power grid isnt ready for it. The electricity infrastructure in my street is 100 years old. All this talk of banning petrol cars by 2035 is political posturing. Petrol cars are going to be around for a while yet...

[@cliveomahoney4096]

Because the company is being honest about the limitations of the vehicle, doesn't mean that it's any good, or any more practical. I would say that a bike that can do nothing more, because of its range, than a scooter is totally wasted having a 0 to 60 time that's comparable to Fireblade. It's just nonsense and a total waste of, (eye watering) money. I loathe these vlogs that take on the exact message a company is taking for its products and just advertises it, while pretending independence and objectivity.

[@fourteenfour1]

Try competing with the premier electric bike manufacturer, Energica, whose bikes have good range on the road way and city. while still not up to petrol bikes they dust the offerings from Harley and Zero. So the problem again is Harley going cheap on charging options, no DC Fast Charging is listed and the L2 charging rate is slow. The original Livewire still suffers from no L2 charging but does have DC Fast Charging.

[@nickb3968]

Energica's are very expensive too....and hide thier total sales numbers, instead offering "percentage" increase on sales....which is not very telling. If i sold 1 bike in 2022 and I've sold 2 bike in 2023, I can say "I increased sales 100%" without people knowing what's going on. I suspect this is happening with Energica.

[@NWTMasterWolf]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA No thanks.

[@Firestorm637]

Governments help change with incentives. Look at China with its EV adoption. Finally after dabbling in renewables with 1970 oil embargo USA backing/incentivizing renewables. Battery R&D starting to go through the roof. It’s a homeland security issue as china’s CATL worlds largest battery manufacturer. Ranges will continue to improve. More Level 3 DC fast chargers will appear. Oil prices will continue to increase as finite commodity. Electricity always less than gasoline. Climate change and air pollution(oil refineries 450,000 worldwide 50% air pollution) are real things with 6 million dying from air pollution. This is a beautiful bike for a city commuter. Rent a bike when you plan a cruising trip. I drive a sports car. When I travel with my kids rent an SUV.

[@martinehulme8743]

No from me

[@stevencarter7031]

To expensive...

[@davetaylor4741]

First thing. Ugly looking thing. Then the weight. Billed as an urban only machine too big and heavy. Lastly the whole concept of electric vehicles. Cart before the horse. The powers that be want everything electric. But haven't a clue how to provide the infrastructure. Electric vehicles. Great in principle. Battery technology not even close yet. Heavy. Bulky. Poor range. Keep working at it. In another 25 years or so we may have viable products. But I will likely be dead so won't see them.

[@p3dtesla118]

Still way overpriced man !! The normal price I would buy and many ppl will buy is for $ 10,999 max

[@NBMBC40]

Pointless all electric bikes, city riding get a scooter and when synthetic fuels come in the next few years electric will be dead.

[@Canteaus]

Still way too expensive and with shitty range.

[@ooWandereroo]

Just NO!

[@stevieneilson2451]

I can buy four wee RE 350's for this... nah..!!

[@tendertuna9157]

Ooof... until you can do >200miles on these bikes and halve the price, only early adopters and people who don't care for money will buy these. These feel like the anti-motorcycle: No freedom. "Quick" charge to 80% only >60 mins. Yeah, right.

[@darnhard]

sorry Bob I love your stuff , but anything electric is well , will suit todays yuppies who want a motorbike but cant handle self maintenance , and I do not give a .... if its faster , its a electric Bike not a MOTOR bike

[@badimpulses17]

Full EV is not tbe solution it has its limitations