Why the Mazda RX8 is BETTER than the Toyota 86 (FRS/BRZ)

[@Suspicious0ne]

The RX8 is a bad bitch with high maintenance. The GT86 is the hot nerd that is reliable. You'll always have more fun with a bad bitch.

[@ItsMylo]

I recently sold my rx8 r3 and upgraded to an FD... don't get me wrong the FD is AMAZING in every way, but I still miss driving the rx8. Something about it is just so pure.

[@MrMebpop]

Ive got both and the RX8 sounds better but the FD kills it in everything else apart from legroom in the back. ;)

[@ItsMylo]

@@MrMebpop I like the sound of both, the rx8 with it's high redline and natural aspiration sound great, although the rx7 has that classic rotary sound to it that you just can't beat

[@julieleenaers313]

I think it has to do with the N/A engine the R3 (RX8) has. Turbo cars are cool, but a well sorted N/A engine feels nicer IMHO.

[@That_fella_named_J]

@@julieleenaers313 agreed, nothing touches that in that aspect on the black top

[@francouz23]

next and perfect car for you - s2000)

[@loo_9]

this is so controversial yet brave

[@mischiefpwns]

You’re 100 percent right. Nothing else really compares to the perfection and balancing the RX8 offers. Only way to know is to drive one. The RX8 is definitely a blast and puts a smile on your face every time you drive it.

[@tylerallen3876]

Cough..cough..reliablity..cough..cough Your only smiling when it runs

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

Same here. Have you driven it on snow yet?

[@mictlanteuctlimexica2985]

My cobra terminator is much better than that unreadable junk 😊

[@Bvideo1100]

@@tylerallen3876 so what you do...is you keep it running, which is easy

[@MattDaBoneless]

I miss my Rx8 so bad... just a blast to drive and it was more than reliable with proper maintenance and attention. It's definitely an enthusiasts car.

[@jamescollins4178]

The experiance you get while driving the rx8 is fantastic and it's hard for people to understand until they drive one also.

[@Bluebeast2005]

James Collins Yep yep. In that boat until I bought my own. It has the feel of an automobile costing 10x what it does/did.

[@frankdesautels1874]

Cant say better...this is it...i have had 4 rx8 since 15 years, and still having one in my drive way 😎

[@xProReVoLuTiiON]

Rx8 will foreverbe the best car ever made for me(for that price)

[@IronicTonic8]

I own both the RX-8 and FRS, and I can confirm that a healthy, well maintained RX-8 is a better drivers car than the FRS/BRZ. The only area the FRS/BRZ wins is fuel economy. So it just depends on what you're looking for. An RX-8 is certainly not for everyone.

[@LegendaryBacc12]

the problem is maintaining the rx8 XD

[@jackturner2476]

Legendary Bacc12 ok so actually they are about the same amount of work as a normal car. It’s just regular maitenance is not to be ignored, where as a Honda will run forever with pretty much no maitenance. Sure the maitenance is different but it’s not worse, it just can’t be ignored like a Toyota’s can. It’s just oil, gas and premix, Occasionally coolant, and spark plugs/coils. I have never really had to do anything else to mine and I’ve owned it for a year and a half

[@LegendaryBacc12]

@@jackturner2476 huh i thought the apex seals were known for breaking , probably an engine rebuild with higher quality ones might fix it but its hard to find a workshop in my country that specialize in rotary engines if they were more common i might consider getting one since i love the sounds of the high revs

[@jackturner2476]

Legendary Bacc12 the apex seals can and do break, but only if maintained incorrectly. The rx8 was built with 1000s of hours of research and development. The only issue is when they do finally break, it usually causes more damage than in an rx7

[@SkyHighClaw]

​@@LegendaryBacc12 they aren't really KNOWN for breaking, no more than piston rings are known for breaking. they wear down after give or take 100k miles and need to be replaced. The norm is they get worn out of repeated uses to the point they don't create a proper seal so they tend to not be able to start hot, and not able to hold their idle while hot. However they WILL blow if you don't take care of the car, like if you don't lubricate your engine properly(premix or at least the bare minimum of watching the oil level), or don't take care of the ignition system, or lesser known if you let your engine overheat, you can create a situation where you can cause a detonation to occur where the seal gets blown. if properly taken care of apex seals wont blow they just kinda stop working after a long time. Which at that point a engine rebuild will resolve the issue. @jackturner24 is right in the sense that they are no different than regular cars in the sense its no more work to take care of them(well as aside from our gassing up rituals LOL ) and that they will last just as long as a regular but its WAY WAY WAY more critical that you're on top of maintenance

[@SkyHighClaw]

what are you talking about that they cause more damage? when they shatter the same thing should happen, where it can rip apart the rotar and the housing, same as a rx7

[@GGitsthePope]

Only just discovering your channel. I am biased to my RX8 SE3P (2004) as well. I have a Golf R MK7.5 (2020) and a Fiesta ST MK7 (2016) that are also great to drive but I don't mind selling those cars in the future. The RX8 I will definitely keep forever.

[@terravarious]

Part of the problem is the corporate culture. Mazda understands drivers. Years of rotary rockets, then the Miata... they get IT. Toyota understands building solid reliable daily drivers. Both build cars outside their expertise, but not as well. None of Mazda's econoboxes will be as good as a Corolla, but Toyota can't build anything that will put a smile on your face quite like one of Mazda's sports cars. It's not about pure speed, or even handling, it's about balance.

[@lxgaming4845]

Have you not heard of the supra or gt4

[@terravarious]

@@lxgaming4845 yes, and like the Corolla they're fine reliable cars. There even pretty fast cars. But, they're not drivers cars. The MR2 came closest.

[@alessandrocerioli2151]

Sure...never heard about "Celica" I assume.

[@arnoldcranium]

To bad the 86 is a Subaru plus the supra is a BMW... TOYOTA IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY NOW NOT MAKING RELIABLE CARS...

[@terravarious]

@@alessandrocerioli2151 I've driven several. Wouldn't call any of them drivers cars. Simply a sporty Corolla. It's like a Prelude and an Accord. A 2 door sedan with swoopy lines isn't a drivers car. They have to be designed and built from the ground up. And they usually violate several basic rules of mass market car manufacturing.

[@anthonybrookes2170]

Great video bud. The Rx8 and Rx7 used to be my favourite cars. Now i own an FRS and I do love it. I get your gripe with the stock power. Once you get it is tuned; that waiting for power is no longer an issue. The only thing i really disagree with you on is the "personality" thing. As we both know the Rx8 has a rotary. Well the FRS has a boxer. They both are unconventional engines that i love and give each car a personality. Sure the rotary still puts out more power, but the boxer is a bit more reliable. Both cars are still fun, and would love to meet an rx8 on track someday with my FRS. Cheers, great video bud

[@SumitD]

In the kindest way possible, please don't confuse the 'different for the sake of being different' (boxer engine) with the ultra smooth, turbine-like progressively faster winding-up of the 'out of this world' (rotary) engine. Both cars are great!! But when it comes to experience, and the feel of a concept car on the road, the RX really does deliver an experience out of its price bracket (10 fold). Regards, and congrats on owning one of the two best drivers cars of this era.

[@mirtir472]

I think you are wrong, the rx8 feel as slow as the 86(i've own both) Even worst i did better 1/8 time with the 86, the only downside is the torque tip, wich make you think it's more slow The 86 have the low balence and the boxer sound, ans the tail hapoy car the 86 is ways more fast and agile in the corner, also the steering feeling is 10 time better I think the rx8 is a very good car, i think you are right that you can change the rotary sound of the rx8,also ways more space inside But i had more fun in my 86, the car is not that fast, but the driving expérience and the respond in the 86 make it better in my opinion

[@hultii]

After going UEL and a tune plus mxp comp rs exhaust I fell in love with my gt86 all over again. It sounds so mean and the engine finally pulls liniar. Always loved the rx8 but to be honest I was too afraid to go the rotary route due to reliability and the fact that not many people actually know how to work on those engines. Both great cars tbh.. can't go wrong with any of them.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

I have almost same mods and i feel you. Im considering to swap my Final gear from 4.10 to 4.7

[@espakuz2450]

I think youre over hyping the rx8, rx8 all it has over the 86 is maybe interior and acceleration

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

I've owned an rx-8 for about 10 years now. it's expensive to run, too expensive, so i decided to sell it. But i simply couldn't. Fuck being reasonable! I bought this car for less than a basic dacia and i've driven it for 10 years, it's ok to spend some money on it to keep it running. Have you ever driven an rx-8 on snow on a tight mountain road? It's incredible, the spinning rear wheels can be 10 centimeters away from the abyss and you'll still feel safe.

[@Bvideo1100]

That sounds fucking scary but wildly exhilarating

[@beardedSpartan454]

I've raced my buddies rx8 and its like maybe a 1/4 of a car length ahead in power its so close. Idk I still rather have the brz, if power is the issue boost it. Its a TUNER car it was made to be modified but people get them and dd them and complain it doesn't feel godly in a straight line. If that was your concern buy a mustang and get to crowd killing

[@FDNY101202]

GR86 has entered the chat

[@eastbaybulliez698]

Watching this sitting in my 86 🖕🏼😂

[@jzxsantos]

Watching this sitting in my RX8 😂

[@eastbaybulliez698]

Josué Santos 😂

[@jzxsantos]

Ian Solis you have insta?😂

[@eastbaybulliez698]

Josué Santos I lost my last account for trolling so I barely use the one I have now 😂 I’ll follow you tho. Just drop your IG haha.

[@jzxsantos]

Ian Solis , blownapexseals 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheEsclaw]

Having owned both and live with both for almost 2 years+ on each. Coming up on 2 years on the brz. I say they're close tbh. Character is there in the brz only if you really plan to enjoy the car. I do miss the high revs on the rx8. I do agree the power on a stock brz is under par. But with the right set up I do enjoy the brz more than my rx8. I do enjoy having owned both tho. Love the vid, wish it was a bit longer. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@RETMTM]

Oh Noes Datu I suppose it's true. You can only get aids once 😂

[@blackframes5658]

Im planning on buying one. Im 18 year old. Which one do you suggest ?

[@vr4junkie385]

​@@blackframes5658BRZ RX8 is a maintenance night mare if u don't got tools

[@devonswindell9735]

As an owner of both, i'd take my FRS over the rx8 all day every day. I love both cars but the positioning of the seats, shifter and steering wheel are amazing in the FRS. The rx8 not so much. The seating position is higher, further forward, and the he shifter is too far back making it uncomfortable to shift. I faced this exact problem in my old fc.

[@Alkhoholic]

"Lacks character", that's also how I feel but towards the Rx8.

[@ao8271]

The care and attention u need for it. The cheap price. The underdog back story. The high rpm. The fucking flames😂

[@spacefleming5390]

Let's put a 13B in the 86 😈

[@edgarkurm8148]

But honestly, GT86 is a good looking daily drive car, Mazda RX-8 is not a good daily driver, i mean its hard and expensive to use it as daily.

[@BlueCorsair1]

I daily my RX8 and have 114000 on the original engine. What's so non daily about it?

[@edgarkurm8148]

@@BlueCorsair1 the rotory engine and its maintain, fuel consumption. How long you are daily driving rx-8 and how many engine rebuildings it has? Probably you want to tell me that yur rx-8 have 114000 and it was never rebuilded, so be ready, you will do it soon and then you will understand why it is not so good as daily. If we are talking about GT86, you dont need to check oil every day, you dont need to fear about your engine, you sometimes change oil, about 10000 or 15000, it doesnt matters so much which oil you use and sometimes put gasoline in it, and also doesnt matter which octane you use and dont need to premix after every tank.You dont need to w8 a while for your engine to warm up. Ofc you can drive rx-8 daily, nobody can ban you for doing it, but it is not a good daily car, because it is expensive car for daily.

[@BlueCorsair1]

I've had my series 2 RX8 it's whole life. Series 2 has 2 extra oil injectors and also limits the red line until the engine warms up. This solved the reliability problems. Mine has never had a rebuild and is still running strong. I've always only used 87 octane gas. Ive done my own maintenance including replacing the coils at 90000 and replacing my clutch because the the throw out bearing failed at 109000 miles. Pretty easy to do. When I have to rebuild the engine I'll do that myself as well. But, I've driven this thing for years every day (not in the winter) and it always puts a smile on my face.

[@RETMTM]

Get a real job then. You couldn't afford a V8 either could you?

[@davidhusband5022]

@@BlueCorsair1 i have 191,000 on my rx8, still runs perfect no smoke, starts every time!

[@weaksosgamer458]

Not sure how you can say that an 86 doesn't have character. Sure that fa20 may not pack a punch like your old rx8, but its got better body styling and lighter chassis. It's still a good contender for a track car by any means. Once you go fbo e85 it actually picks up the slack quite well. I love both cars! I'll own a rotary one day!

[@MickyOTW]

I agree but the GT86 does have the potential for (reliable?) forced induction vs just porting on the RX8.

[@RETMTM]

MickyOTW so does the Rotary. If it's done properly.

[@MickyOTW]

@@RETMTM 1JZ swap? 🤭

[@RETMTM]

MickyOTW 26B swap?

[@MickyOTW]

@@RETMTM I'd leave the FI and go LS V8 ❤

[@RETMTM]

MickyOTW do your research. 26B is NA 😁

[@SatisfyingMovieReels]

Yooo this crazy, I too own an rx8 and an 86. Although my 86 was my first car and then got the rx8 I’m stage 2 + on the 86 and I can tell you it’s definently faster then my rx8

[@toomuchtube]

driven both. your RX-8 was broken if the FRS was noticeably faster

[@SatisfyingMovieReels]

toomuchtube nope, the 86 was on e85 so it got rid of the notorious torque dip.

[@Tiltymilk]

@@SatisfyingMovieReels frs/brz/86 are wack

[@SatisfyingMovieReels]

OneSlow1zz what’s your Facebook? I will send you a video of my filling it with e85. The 86 come with high pressure fuel pump and the injectors are already powerful because it’s ported and direct injected. I’ve ran e85 on my fa20 for about 20k miles. Runs way smoother and way faster. Please do research before trying to tell an owner of the platform there wrong. Rx8 is quick but not as fast as the 86 on E85. On pump gas that’s a different story.

[@bagustiko]

Japanda said it is possible. But he said that 86 lacked the character. can you confirm it?

[@Benshurtleff]

Rx8 is a dream car of mine, but I’ve owned a turbo frs and currently own an na frs (same car just na now). The frs is an incredible car and I think you only say it has no character because it’s stock. With an exhaust, the car becomes really fun to drive around town despite the slow acceleration. And with the turbo, it’s a whole different experience. So much fun!

[@slimtim5575]

That's entirely what he's saying. He's saying that stock vs stock, the rx8 wins. Obviously you can do anything with an frs these days to beat it with mods but the rx8 at its roots is a drivers car whereas the frs/86/brz is one of the last affordable sporty modern coupes

[@NateRist]

Having driven a 15,000 mile example of a TRD GT86 and comparing to (at the time) my RX-8 R3 with 155,000 miles on the original engine I can honestly say the TuRD is simply a slower car in every aspect and they just don't give you as much confidence in corners. It does have better brakes, but just lacks in every other category even practicality. In the RX-8 I can sit comfortably in the back seats whereas in the FRZ86 there is no position I can sit in where my head isn't sideways against the roof. As for driving it seems more comparable to a 1.8L NA or NB Miata with a few bolt ons and more weight. Despite what others may think of the RX-8, it's just the better car by a landslide.

[@NeverDarling]

Would you consider doing a video on rx8 two-step / Launch Control control

[@JapandaTuning]

sure if someone has 2 step on their rx8 and is willing to let me film it

[@DonMulligan1]

I daily drive an Rx-8. My team tracks (and wins with) multiple 86s.

[@pizzarounda2463]

Try put in numbers, factual material with context, rather than opinion based premises. You have great potential to make better vids, in the name of the RX8. Hope u read this and add to ur media as we all hope for a future where the rotary engine is more respected. Keep up the good work. 👌👌👌🙆🏻‍♂️

[@pizzarounda2463]

*put in more numbers and more factual statements

[@Bluebeast2005]

Pizza Rounda What he said! ☝️ 🙏 respect.

[@RETMTM]

I thought he summed it up perfectly. Keep it simple. Numbers mean nothing when the 787B won Le Man's.

[@MrAdriel513]

That's what make the 86 one of the best it won't break down that easy for a everyday driver and it does everything else .toyota #1

[@86surge90]

Not trying to sound rude here and it might be a stupid question, but have you tried drifting it? I ask because the guy in charge of building the car said it was suppose to be drift car ready and this aspect of the car might be where it shines.

[@taylorsaumier7155]

86surge oh buddy they fucking skid aha

[@taylorsaumier7155]

86surge I’ve owned both frs first than rx8 the 8 is definitely the Better car but with a good set of tires the frs has better turn in but the rx8 hold its line better and it just overall a more balanced and planted car, even tho it’s a little under powered the brz/frs/gt86 platform will always have a special spot in my heart😂(first car)

[@86surge90]

@@taylorsaumier7155 Does the 86 exhibit more snappier oversteer than the rx-8? such as under braking or lift-off?

[@kevinrivera8176]

Dude, you are spot on! My roommate has an 07 RX8 GT, bone stock, and it definitely rips a lot harder than my 2017 BRZ. The torque dip is real...Let me know if for some reason you're ever in Dallas, we'd love for you to come film with us. Cheers! And thanks for the great content.

[@josuejasso7589]

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[@clockhanded]

You don't consider a low slung flat 4 coupe with toyota's godly reliability to be a unique characteristic? I suppose when a car is that slow, it doesn't have enough force to push the G forces its capable of. Also, how do you feel about the Lotus Elise?

[@jermainejpshepherd2778]

I would've agreed... til I took ownership of a 86 TRD. Even on stock power, that car is so fun to throw around. It literally the best track car I've ever owned. This car begs to go sideways. Lol.

[@Bluebeast2005]

Peter Shepherd Dats cuz you've got Prius tyres! 😂

[@AstroKitty0072]

Buddy, theres no need for a 3 minute video to explain this. I could be born yesterday and I'd fucking know that an RX-8 is better

[@garethmcallister9771]

Coiovers and 9.5s with sticky tyres will spank that RX8 on the twisties. I think this is the most character in a car in years. I get its lacking in standard form but I have had TTRS, VXR8 , FOCUS RS, MX5 turbo and they are fast but souless. My GT 86 feels like its it own entity and I love it for that. Mod it properley and it will surprise you. No stupid engine rebuilds either

[@Bluebeast2005]

Gareth McAllister What about a swap... For say the old Celica GT motor? I'd take its 187hp over the boxers 200 any day.

[@garethmcallister9771]

@@Bluebeast2005 yeah i quite agree about the engine, its lame and boring in standard form. But theres also a lot of people who have just taken delivery of a perfectly adequate 2020 supra which ive had the pleasure of driving then tuned it straight away. What for? You can only use 700bhp in a straight line.Those people are never happy and dont understand real drivers cars let alone the value of money. The supra is plenty good out the factory. The GT86 is gonna get slated by people who have never driven 1 let alone owned one. If you havent already take the centre cat out, it will still pass emissions and livens it up so much. lower it 40mm with eibach springs on the standard wheels and go for a country side blast. It will stick to the road like a teenage boys sports sock .Dont be frightened to keep the revs high for a long time you wont break it its a tough little beast. Way tougher than little rotary. Honestly keep the faith and dont appologise for your 86 to anybody. You will grow to love it with smart personal mods. Its the car that does everything. Dont stance it or you will ruin it and it just will piss you off. I race mine agajnst caterhams and big power beasts on rack days in terrible uk westher and the only place they have me is in the long straights. If i slap a turbo on and i will , it will own them.

[@RETMTM]

Gareth McAllister hahahaha really? I reckon any decent driver in an RX-8 with stock tyres would destroy you on slicks on an 86

[@garethmcallister9771]

RE. HA HA. Sooooo on slicks ? Do you own either a Rx8 or a 86 ? Have you driven a car outside of gta? And how about slicks on a 86 aswell ? Seems your debate is a bit tiny penis and no pubes.

[@thehound2161]

I have driven rotary's as my daily for 35+ years. A total of 5. Watching someone new try to drive it is brutal as they don't get the RPM's high enough before they think they should shift. It can be so awkward and so unkind to the motor as many find out down the line.

[@thehound2161]

Currently a 2004 RX-8 with 140K mi. unmodified.

[@DatDarkOne]

@@thehound2161 Same here. :D

[@davidhusband5022]

@@thehound2161 i have rx8 with 191,000 kays on original engine. yet internet heroes say they not reliable. still starts, no smoke, goes hard.

[@thomass8118]

As much as I love the design of the GT/BRZ/FRS, IMHO it would've been an (even) more enjoyable car with a 2ZZ engine out of the Celica GTS instead of the N/A boxer engine. It's the reason why I'm also keeping my RX8.

[@TBIRD0625]

People who've never driven a rotary just don't understand. The smiles per gallon are off the charts! Especially if you put an exhaust on it

[@hondacivic2295]

I’d choose the 86 more Because if you are a badass driver in the mountain pass You can surprise supercars

[@filthyvibes4768]

Initial Drawings This is not a cartoon. An 86 will get embarrassed by S2000s and these hot hatches

[@grantkahale8933]

But the RX8 is guaranteed to blow up. Every one you see for sale has had an engine rebuild at least once. .

[@RETMTM]

Grant Kahale because dumb fucks owned them. Simple. They are very reliable in the correct hands.

[@mariosram8310]

because owners did not maintain them correctly

[@raidenb4512]

So just about HP, mmmm it is a little too short to be a good video. You didn’t talk about balance and handling.

[@shazmaster]

They are very close. Rx8 can bring 4 people. It is a little bit faster. Wat i do like about the brz better than the rx8 is by far the transmission and transmission strength.

[@RETMTM]

Shazy lol what are you talking about. The RX-8 shifts heaps better. The PPF makes it real stiff and the throw is short and sharp. Who needs gears when you can exceed 9,000rpm. The 86 is a flap power curve. Have you driven either?

[@shazmaster]

@@RETMTM owned an rx8 for 5 years. Driven the brz at 9/10ths a few times. I can tell you right now the rx8 transmission is very weak. Plus the gearing on the rx8 is not complementing the power band. While yes the car is faster, to get there takes awhile but the handling and braking by far the rx8. Just because one is better than the other doesnt mean it doesnt come with its shortcomings. Ex. 1st is 67km/h 2nd 110km/h 3rd 150km 4th 210km/h 5th 245km/h 6th 294km/h. Why the f does a car with a powerband at such high rpm have ridiculously long gears?? Finally weakest gear is 2nd gear, very difficult to do a quick 1-2 shift. the transmission hates being rushed and is quite noisy. Only real gripe about this car

[@RETMTM]

Shazy something is wrong with your transmission mate.

[@shazmaster]

@@RETMTM if that is what you got after that msg then you definitely do not know wat you are talking about.

[@RETMTM]

Shazy stop misleading people with your bs.

[@Xehanortlw]

As a fellow rx8 owner I always wanted a 86 but I love my rx8, is I had some troubles keeping her on the road but shes grone on me

[@davidhusband5022]

grown

[@CorruptInfinityOfficial]

I believe that’s called low engine inertia, it has to do with much rotational mass is in the engine and is related to the difference between that and your torque you have. Which is already low in a car like the 86/brz

[@RETMTM]

Brady Arnold it's called gutless piece of shit I need binoculars to see you in my rearview mirror because you are so far behind my Rotary 🔥

[@salvatoretomasi8058]

hello japa for about a week I became the owner of a RX8 of 2004 from 231 horses, I wanted to ask you what kind of exhaust and spoiler mounts? what changes do you advise me to make? excuse the questions but I'm a neophyte in this field.

[@nicholaspatino2427]

i really want to have both cars, they each are great

[@jamesscott6160]

I bought the same car and immediately was upset that my rx8 felt better than my frs, funny thing is I also bought a gt350 and I still like the rx8 more than a Shelby gt350 😂

[@Bluebeast2005]

James scott Oh snap! That's a big one... I drove my cousins Gt350, that's was an incredible drive, and a very well built track car... except for that nasty part where you couldn't track them due to the over heating.

[@jamesscott6160]

Travis K they are nice cars for sure but I just feel more in tune with the rx8

[@bbehzadi413]

I agree! Love my RX8

[@ForzaWiz11]

Unfortunately you have stock wheels and tires on the 86. U got light weight rpf1s on your rx8 with not sure what tire. But stick some 245mm wide falken rt660s. You probably don’t even need coils. Then you will see the character of the 86. With coils e-85, full exhaust even better. The character is the low center flat 4 & lightweight. I max out at 1.3-14 lateral G and the steering is smooth as can be. Where ever you turn the wheel it goes without issue. Steering is super light/fast & responsive with a setup like that.

[@jack-spicer1381]

The 2022 brz is gonna be amazing

[@impeepininyourwindow1201]

The 2022 brz is ugly af

[@seanm.collins9888]

Mazda needs to base a new EV on the RX-8 platform with updated kodo design language.

[@samnation9887]

So if you love that High Rev, get a AP1 S2K. I really love my AP1, I feel amazing inside it and gets so much attention, plus it convertible

[@ASecureLab]

Xept the s2k is 4 time the price of a rx8 now and they are fugly... ill take the special car that look good and cost 1/4 of the price even if I have to rebuild the engine (bout 4k) in 10 years...

[@snowystormy1977]

So im buying my first car ( I am currently a sophmore in highschool) should I get a FRS or a RX8? I plan on modding it to look cool too XD

[@anthonyd55]

Frs tbh

[@n0isyturtle]

I'm about to turn 40 and have narrowed it down to these two for my first car. Still trying to decide, but leaning towards the 86.

[@ed22-g5j]

You get an 86?

[@n0isyturtle]

@@ed22-g5j lol I actually wound up getting an RX-8. I fuckin love it to death.

[@ed22-g5j]

@@n0isyturtle nice! Congrats, either way, both are drivers cars!!

[@TheNotoriousGamerIsGr8]

How much faster is an rx-8 to a brz?? I'm interested

[@mdelite5297]

when they are both stock about a 0.5 second difference over a 1/4 mile roughly thats if the rx8's motor is in good condition rx8's can be pretty slow when they have bad compression and are not looked after

[@cjoel16]

Just put a 13b in the 86

[@williammincher68]

Beaten 2 gt 86 in my rx8 now and its still stock

[@salimsanchez89]

What about a 13b swapped 86?.. : )

[@keaneoRX7]

The 86, has still something particular, a Flat 4 ! and better Mpg, but ok the RX8 has a rotary you can rev until the bip and 4 antagonist doors... i had 2 RX7 an FB and FC, so i should go for the RX8, but the 86 is very close ! i would say that the 86 could be better for a daily drive.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

I have FRS and want an RX8 as a project car

[@SonGoku-ev3nb]

I am in your opinion, i have a RX8 with 192 PS since 2014, i Love this Car i Love the engine, i have no Problems with IT , and If the time is over from my First engine 😅 rebuild with Streetport 😍 i will never Sold my Car 😉

[@m.alikhan481]

please explain fuel consumption of rx8

[@PeterArmour]

a lot.

[@Suspicious0ne]

The size of an Inline 4 The power of a V6 The fuel consumption of a V8

[@Pharaoh_The_Great]

This seem like a very bias comparison. If I comes down to it, I would definitely choose the frs/brz/86 for many reasons. They look better, are more popular and have a ton of aftermarket support and they are super reliable. Of course it’s slow stock, it’s a car you build up on your own… add some nice bolt ons, boost it, tune it, swap it with a 2jz, k series, etc. not to mention, the next gens are out now basically which are even better. As far as those Mazdas, I would rather get a rx7 FC than an rx8… just my opinion.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

Agreed

[@mrporsche4236]

Ive driven the rx8 and virtually everything else including all the exotics. The brz86 is the most fun car. And if you put a header and tune you will struggle to find a car more enjoyable to drive at any price point

[@1compaqedr8]

I think after all the issues time and money spent fixing/modifying an rx8 or frs a stock e46 m3 is a better buy.

[@miamigt4922]

Great vid, thanks for the info. I’m looking for a track car as there’s no way I’m risking my Cayman GT4. I’m looking now for an 09-11 R3, which happens to be the exact same length and almost the same weight as the GT4 so they should compliment each other well.

[@danielahmed4187]

dont agree with anything in this video besides the fact that the rx8 is a great car.

[@Suspicious0ne]

I work for Toyota, but I drive an RX-8. I have spoken.

[@mflbikes1870]

Rebuilding my rx8

[@ThatEmperor793]

It's like Comparing Ae86 with Rx7

[@jhanpgarcia2725]

Have u done the 4.7 final drive?

[@thinusary1]

how to fix a 86 powertrain issue?. swap a rotary in it haha

[@moflyboyblanquito541]

Dude acting like the power so lacking during acceleration. It’s engine is like all at the top end. Which the rx8 is absolutely gutless even more than brz. But it’s powerband is even smaller.

[@szaka9395]

well you can get a rx8 and a new engine for it or brz. Choice is hard, guess 86 is better daily. As i love rx8 i would buy brz.

[@MegredyPhotoStudio]

You didn't mention why is the RX better than the 86.. except the personal preference. Let's start with this: I will take your word for it, and say the RX is more fun ( not a tone more, just more fun) but the 86 will give you 3 times more fun for the same money. Bloody rx is a 12mpg car.. and if you push it really hard maybe won't get 9 mpg ( plus 1L of engine oil😂 ) Lol... Get a Nissan 350z .. is way better than the RX. Cheers !

[@BlueCorsair1]

Pushed hard my RX8 gets 17 mpg. It gets 21 on road trips. Not sure where you are getting your info from

[@RETMTM]

Megredy P you sound like an idiot who's never owned either car but was told by a mates, sisters friends boyfriend who had one told them what you just said 🤔 I have a headache 😱

[@MegredyPhotoStudio]

@@RETMTM anyone praising the rx it's either someone who never own it, or a Fiat Panda Daily driver who is taking his loved rx for a spin on sunny Sundays. I owned the RX.. glad I get rid of it.

[@RETMTM]

Megredy P it's got not get. Glad you got rid of it. 1 less wanker driving a Rotary. What are you doing here?

[@MegredyPhotoStudio]

@@RETMTMmy English is poor. What am I doing here ? pissing off rotary fan boys 😂😂

[@deniyow892]

Old ae 86 still got better looking than the new one

[@julieleenaers313]

Thanks, now I need to buy an RX8... There's an other reason why the RX8 is more fun, it's cheaper / worth less. I had some cheap cars and they always provide the most fun.

[@mirtir472]

Not cheaper, after 1 years you're gonna have spend pour 3000$ more in fuel if not more :/

[@User-viral_video1]

missed ur rx8 🖤

[@kevingulley6980]

But I know which one is more reliable. Lol

[@Bluebeast2005]

Kevin Gulley ... The Rx8? 🤔

[@JB-sv5pr]

my 8 use to smoke my friends frs! & my other friend had a s2k pretty good runs with the s2k! always close!

[@bleeneo101]

Well it looks cooler if anything. All about your perspective.

[@SuperMaxCarp]

Why cant we appreciate each car for what it is? These cars were not made to be compared to echother anyway...its such an apples to orange comparison. Each car os great in its own way...likewise they both have their own flaws. They both are pourpose buolt cars...we can certianly appreciate their purpose and contribution to the car world

[@davidhusband5022]

No cars compare to mazda rotaries, there is nothing like them.

[@88CReXin]

Ugh. I was hoping to hear something better in this review other than what could have easily been proven on a quick search. (1) the Rx8 despite being around 300lbs has more power (2) The Rx8 has shorter gears which in conjunction with a higher rev allows you st squeeze a little more at the top end thus making it seem faster.

[@pirihern9329]

Try driving an rx8 xcross country.

[@qwerkyqwerty04]

XD

[@joevide0]

nice video dude

[@onlyoneromeo]

What wheel and tire size are you running ?

[@Suspicious0ne]

Computer says no

[@jasonpooler6811]

Try dailying a civic... it’s horrendous with acceleration😭 #broke

[@Mitch3343]

I dailied a 94 civic for a while. Better low end. But horrifying to rev higher than 5k.

[@jasonpooler6811]

Mitchell S. Mines a 2006 ex it’s gutless 😂

[@flycitygang30]

The civic is better choice . The brz is slower in the end

[@abc.garage]

RPF1’s nice!

[@chriscaarnold]

Both great. But while the rx8 has it on bhp, high revs and power delivery it does have many downsides, oil consumption, the cost of putting fuel in it (im from the UK). Its older so you will be looking second hand and hoping your buying a well looked after car, and most of all reliability. And as far as character goes thats just opinion to me the GG86 Has bags of character and pedigree as a junior racing GT sports car. I luv the styling of the gt86. Not so much the rx8. But the RX8 is CHEAP! Jump into one and then the other (stock). The Rx8 does give a lil more. I looked at a very tidy rx8 for £6000, but still ended up buying a gt86 for £14000. I love cars in this category. Give me an s2000x any MX5, 124 (pref abarth), rx8, gt86 and im going to have a great day. But in 5 years time id rather have an s2000 or gt86 in the garage (thats if i dont have a 105 serries alfa or a z4m before the prices goes above the clouds).

[@tougeattacksid]

The fact you're hinting an RX8 being fast is hilarious in itself. Revs to 9k but for no reason. Mentions "drivers cars"...but power is your issue?? #backwards

[@nicholaspatino2427]

Rx8 kinda heavy for no reason though sadly

[@mirtir472]

The rx8 is not heavy, pretry much the same as a rx7 fd :)

[@kevinsvarghese7094]

Problem is the maintenance.

[@harveymorgan1749]

Wat bridge is that t. Al queada

[@vrooom71]

Takumi VS Keisuke: Next Generation

[@arnoldcranium]

You bought a Subaru bro...Boxer engines are not that great..

[@Bluebeast2005]

Arnold Cranium Just like a diesel! They all should come with turbos, and even that doesn't solve the problem all the time.

[@roocrew86]

The 86 makes no sense Let's take a wrx loves the boost make it rwd and throw the turbo out 0-100 in 8sec Pointless

[@RETMTM]

Brett Johnson word. Totally agree. The 86 filled a gap because the RX-8 was canned for emissions and there was nothing for the 86 to compete with. It had total domination in the market and kids can drive them. Sad huh.

[@dionisi9961]

Agree, seriously what was Toyota and Subaru thinking? Yea low profile boxer engine, no revs, lack of midrange and torque from no turbo. Honestly they way overthought this, I bet even a tuned corrolla engine would have been a better choice.

[@fusrowdaftuk8242]

@@dionisi9961 You say overthought, i would say underthought. They failed to realise the full potential it could have had with any of the options you suggested.

[@moflyboyblanquito541]

I respectfully disagree. It’s an all around car. If y’all look at it from a commuter angle.

[@roocrew86]

MoFlyboy Blanquito commuting in coupe? Yea its possible but if commuting is you aim there's cheaper more practical and even faster cars

[@hkn777]

so true :D