Why the Misunderstood Umbaran Resistance DID NOTHING WRONG

[@piercepayumo4212]

Umbarans were simply fighting to protect their Homeland. They didn't ally with the separatists at first, but joined them eventually out of desperation.

[@geetslys]

Exactly right

[@vikingsword3485]

Yea hate to see it. They didn't really have any good options

[@isaiahvaldez3330]

They are traitors and they are grey bastards

[@vikingsword3485]

@@isaiahvaldez3330 people do not exist to serve the gov. The gov exist to serve the people. Once the gov fails and lose the support of the people then it's destruction is inevitably

[@isaiahvaldez3330]

@@vikingsword3485 I know, I just don't like Umbarans

[@ontasbulent5709]

Even as a kid it felt wrong, the enemies weren’t droids like always but people and that one scene were the Umbaran couldn’t breath and that clone just executed him in coldblood felt like something the empire would do and not the republic

[@sovietunion7643]

if i remember there was another video from geetsly's showing how the empire later in the clone wars was practically the empire

[@geetslys]

Yes, the arc was very much like the empire and less like the republic.

[@marcusanark2541]

I felt the same way, killing local militias defending their home didn't sit right at all with me.

[@edkwon]

It means the show runners did a good job telling the story of you were able to grasp the truth of that arc even as a kid

[@zexalbrony4799]

I pretty much had the exact opposite reaction, since the Clone who did it was Fives and that Umbaran had just tried to kill him, so my reaction was: YES! That's what you get for trying to kill Fives, you piece of Sith.

[@isaacpadilla640]

Maturing is realizing that many planets that left the Republic were actually in the right. Especially Umbara. However, I know for a fact this was all plan out by Palpatine.

[@matthewhowie1220]

Sadly most of the planets that either left or attempted to like Onderon, and Rodia, were oppressed by the trade federation shortly after they joined.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@matthewhowie1220 Yep, it was a lose-lose situation, perpetrated intentionally by Palpatine and Dooku.

[@redeye4516]

It does sort of show that the Republic had been getting progressively more corrupt even before Palpatine became Chancellor. All Palps actually did was pull the right strings that were left on his lap, the prior administrations and the senate did all the work for him practically. Kinda want to see an AU where a Sith Lord doesn't become Chancellor and a civil war breaks out anyways.

[@issy7465]

They sort of looked at this in The Bad Batch.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@redeye4516 Even so, it likely would have been far less bloody. Without Sith Lords on both sides of the conflict purposely escalating and making things worse, diplomatic solutions would have been far more viable.

[@Tinkering4Time]

I just remembered that the Umbarans, like the Kaminoans, could see in UV. This means they could see things on clone armor that clones themselves, and the viewers, could not. For all we know the clones’ attempts at stealth were like watching a group in day-glo hi-vis outfits trying to blend in to the undergrowth.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Pfffft!! Thats just made me imagine the most hilarious cut away to umbrarans POV.

[@redeye4516]

Clones with camouflage paint hiding in the bushes: "you think his mate saw me?" The Umbaran sniper that can see UV light: "yes, yes he did"

[@jhs2110]

The clones were probably better camouflaged against the Umbarans because of that fact

[@ethrsag735]

Umbara: We're sick of your political bullshit and be independent!! Galactic Republic: *Sees how close Umbara is to their supply lines* Shame

[@princeofpokemon2934]

This was one of the bloodiest battles throughout the entire war. The Clone army faced off against a species with technology that no one has ever seen before. Heavy casualties were inflicted on both sides, But I'd say the Republic got hit the hardest seeing as this technology killed so many clones and they didn't know how to effectively fight back.

[@geetslys]

Yes, it got to the point where the clones even used the enemy's technology against them. So I think the clones definitely took the bigger hit as well.

[@princeofpokemon2934]

@@geetslys I'm glad you agree. And learning more about this battle and the reason behind it just opened my eyes a lot wider. I knew the Republic was corrupt but I didn't think it was this severe. But it goes without saying that even the most pure and benevolent governments can be susceptible to corruption. All it takes is one or more individuals with the silver tongue and then some.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Ah, yes, stealing far superior enemy tech... as a C&C gamer, I can relate. Using those Rhinos and Banshees against those Commies and Nod cultists is always cathartic, I say.

[@coldsobanoodle7407]

General Krell ordering clones to kill other clones as well

[@princeofpokemon2934]

@@michaelandreipalon359 You play command and conquer? I didn't think anyone played it anymore.

[@Cap-Archer]

In legends of Chiss they made their own TIE Fighter(Nssis-class Clawcraft) with imperial reverse engineering. imagine a TIE Fighter made by the Umbarans.

[@darthdarth4297]

Reading the vision of the future. Is that the tie your talking about

[@warhawk4494]

That would be sweet

[@reyvilla6994]

Android from an iPhone

[@monkeymunchie9717]

What the name of the comic you were talking about? I would love to read it

[@maccat38]

Didn't thrawn lay seige to umbara

[@spinejackel]

umbara arc is a good case of “hans, are we the baddies?”

[@weldonwin]

"Our helmets look like skulls!"

[@redeye4516]

I want a Spec Ops: The Line style Star Wars game set during the Battle of Umbara now. Could have been a DLC for the Battlefront II remake if EA didn't abandon it.

[@spacemarine4236]

Nein.

[@ls200076]

@@spacemarine4236 VULKAN LIVES *STOMP STOMP*

[@Jake_Steiner]

A wamp rat's anus?

[@sylvestersmith8738]

'Senate Murders' always seemed like a one-shot episode but the events of that episode had so many more ramifications for the rest if the war. A few of the clones even start questioning the war at the end of the arc. That's what I love about this show, everything is connected in some way.

[@TheLeatheryman]

I like Umbaran tech and armor. I wish we’d get some action figures

[@geetslys]

It looks so cool

[@silverfoxdelta290]

there are legos

[@19kp.]

@@silverfoxdelta290 much better than action figures

[@silverfoxdelta290]

@@19kp. i used to be an avid collector of both legos and AFs as a kid

[@twistedyogert]

It has Tron vibes. They probably drive around on light-cycles.

[@nebcyt-notenoughbraincells419]

Geetsley:The battle was just for supply lines Ki adi mundi:but what of the droid attack on the wookies!!!!

[@geetslys]

That one phrase could've changed all of Star Wars forever 😂

[@nebcyt-notenoughbraincells419]

@@geetslys thnx for the reply man,keep up the good work and content,may the force be with you

[@SuperGoose42]

In this exact scenario, that quote actually applies 😂

[@AbsoluteAbsurd]

xD

[@sumukhvmrsat6347]

Yoda : For the Droid attack on the wookies it is , Secure the Umbaran trade supply lines we must HmmMM

[@ontasbulent5709]

In my headcanon That battle on Umbara wasn’t a battle of the clone wars but the beginning of the 24 year long Umbaran war of independence which would end with the empire pulling out a few months after Endor

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Ooh, that's an interesting view on things.

[@fritzvongerbel8999]

*Unfortunate sons starts blaring*

[@lioncelica5170]

Confirmed Umbara is Vietnam. They began fighting the Japanese, then the French, then the US and Australia, and then finally China. Over the course of thirty years

[@redeye4516]

+Purple Emerald I'd bet money the New Republic would somehow get involved further and lend itself to an Afghanistan comparison.

[@jackrutledgegoembel5896]

It's almost true. Umbara did continue fighting the Empire for at least 5 years in Canon (or at least, was implied to be in some Canon novels). They also certainly became independent soon after Endor, as most planets did.

[@crocowithaglocko5876]

Neutral states have complete rights to defend their territory in war and not pick a side, or to choose sides despite threats of war I have some sympathy for the shadowy guys

[@geetslys]

Agreed.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Albeit they end up being suspicious enough. Just take a look at what Switzerland did to both the Allies and the Axis during WW2... I respect their biker troops though.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

they should have remained neutral, by joining the sepreatist the fell right into Palpatine's plan and marked themselves for future attacks from the coming empire....

[@hansyolo8277]

They also did choose to block the Republic, from a Republic world. They knew what they were doing.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@sheilaolfieway1885 To be fair, we saw with the Mandalorians and Duchess Satine's administration that Palpatine wasn't going to tolerate sensible, Neutral parties for long. If Maul hadn't have done the work for him, Palpatine surely would have forced the issue for the Mandalorians, one way or the other. And I'm sure he would have done the same with the Umbarans.

[@stickthelanding4785]

It’s funny cause I always liked this arc even as a kid because they were finally fighting humanoids

[@geetslys]

😂😂😂

[@civilizedhuman7875]

I liked the arc because for once the separatists were using guerrilla tactics

[@shaunbrender]

In general, genuine separatists with little to no sith influence are the good guys.

[@shaunw9092]

I think we might see this a bit in Andor as that's Cassian Andor's background.

[@kaizoisevil]

Like Lux and his mother.

[@aidanpysher2764]

Whenever I was watching this arc in the past few years, I never got the feeling that the show was painting the Umbarans as the stereotypical bad guys. They never focused on a comically evil commander on their side, and in fact, it was like they were painting the Republic in that exact manner. The clones were 100% the bad guys in this arc.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

Now that I think about it, yeah the Umbarans never really did tactics outside of the norm of warfare. Sure they were a bit underhanded, but they were honestly pretty honorable with the battle all things considered. At least way more honorable than the CIS were with their weapons. They did try to give the clones as quick a deaths as they could, which is something that you would not expect from a society where moving up in the cast system can be done through murder if the individual is not caught.

[@redeye4516]

That last part reminded me of Morrowind in the Elder Scrolls, namely that you can hire the Morag Tong to kill someone and it's completely legal. All the assassin has to do is kill their mark, and then they flash their contract and they can just leave without any further guard intervention. They can be prevented legally, but you can't touch them if they manage to do it. Not really related to what you said, but I'm always interested in weird legal situations in fiction.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@redeye4516 Well that is mostly because fiction doesn't have to play by our rules, though it is very fascinating.

[@jdpragmatic8644]

Remember that one moment when the clones go up to inspect the downed enemy vehicle? Fives sees one of its pilots mortally wounded and flatly says, “No juice left in him either,” then casually shoots the guy in the head without a second thought. That scene shook me to the core.

[@josecano326]

I dont remember the scene, but if he was mortally wounded, wouldnt killing him be an act if mercy? Even if what he said wasnt nice, he still spared him from suffering longer

[@jdpragmatic8644]

@@josecano326 it was in the second episode I think

[@sumukhvmrsat6347]

Man Given Umbaras relative darkness , don't you think virus and bacteria would be also more effective , heat and sunlight kills germs bacteria viruses right , so if he is wounded and left thier , most likely be would a rather painful death from torturous infections too , not only wounds , nd natural animals and insects too could eat him alive

[@Unknown-hb3id]

The CIS outside of their highest leadership is pretty much justified in their reasoning for secession.

[@vikingsword3485]

Think it would have been easier to deal with the CIS leadership after the war

[@JohnDoe-pi3po]

Yeah, honestly if anyone outside of dooku’s inner circle found out what was really going on and managed to stop it, I think the CIS really would have been the good guys

[@dungeonguy88]

@@JohnDoe-pi3po Yep, that was covered in some of the other episodes that, for the most part the CIS Senate was filled with mostly reasonable, moral individuals that simply wanted freedom for their peoples. Palpatine and Dooku both worked very hard to maintain the perception that the CIS was run by monsters, mostly by making sure individuals like Grievous were always front-and-center in the minds of the people of the Republic.

[@girlyknight8817]

@@dungeonguy88 um their not monsters, don't call those who aren't monsters! Dat insult to, all monsters everywhere especially to those who have pride in who they are, and wut their are.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@girlyknight8817 ???

[@comradeconnolly4538]

Umbaran Commander, getting high off his own supply: “I WANT A THOUSAND JEDI SCALPS” Umbaran Lieutenant: “Sir, the Republic only sent 4 Jedi generals.” “DID I STUTTER?”

[@White_Recluse]

“I love the smell Aleco in the morning! Smells like…victory.”

[@inquisitorgarza312]

There probably hundreds of thousands of planets that didn’t join the Republic or Confederacy war effort, but they still got occupied or invaded for their strategic positions or resources. And Umbarains were probably the first to be shown as a victims of the war, considering that their Senator was outright murder by the faults of Padme search for peace talks, but considering that the Republic became the Empire the Umbarains they will be punished heavily for siding with the Confederacy out of desperation.

[@robertagu5533]

Either punished or "STRONGLY ENCOURAGED" to support Palpatine and Vaders Empire lest they suffer penalties for their part against what used to be the Republic providing whatever the Empire wanted from them that it found so useful

[@johnnygyro2295]

Why do you think Satine of Mandalore tried to start a Council of Neutral Systems?

[@robertbarrows6687]

@@johnnygyro2295 Satine and the Neutral Systems were cool at the start but utterly ineffectual at the end due to suicidal pacifism.

[@dungeonguy88]

@@robertbarrows6687 Well, Satine's pacifism was arguably vital to the potential formation of such a 3rd party. Her steadfast convictions were a vital selling point in her persuading others. The real problem was that Satine's platform of de-escalation was a massive hindrance to Palpatine's attempts to control the perceptions of the war and scare the Republic into granting him more power. Maul inadvertently did Palpatine a massive favor in killing her and de-stabilizing Mandalore; Duchess Satine was probably more of a hindrance than any Jedi.

[@hyperiongm330]

Padme didn't even do anything wrong, it was literally the result of a psychotic Rodian wanting revenge over a brief occupation by a handful of CIS troops that were quickly taken out by Jar Jar and then finished off by the 41st Legion. The Umbarans actually went full retard and seceded for no apparent reason despite the killer being caught and imprisoned.

[@thedoruk6324]

They really protecting their planet we literally see where the Clones were the *Worst Guys* in one scene they literally executed an umbaran survivor at battle ground barely climbing out the crashed vehicle

[@lukasweiss4462]

Don't forget the Umbaran soldier who tried to surrender to Fives begging to him before getting shot multiple times :(

[@thedoruk6324]

@@lukasweiss4462 yep most of not all clones were and are direct clear cut *war criminals* and exterminationists as much as the clankers or droids they dreaded and despised

[@lukasweiss4462]

@@thedoruk6324 To be fair there was no way most of them could develop some kind of moral code. Their creators were emotionless bastards, their commanders saw them as nothing more than living droids and they had no idea what the war they were fighting was actually about. All they knew about the enemy was that they were trying to kill them and their brothers, so there was no real opportunity for them to develop mercy or anything like that

[@thedoruk6324]

@@lukasweiss4462 exactly I have no sympathy neither pity to Kaminoans they were also ruthless eugenics appliers and prone to culling literally anything they deem undesirable They were the closest that Star Wars ever got with WW2 you know which state

[@lukasweiss4462]

@@thedoruk6324 Take Sev from Delta Squad for example, he didn't know anything about the Geonosians, why they joined the separatists or the fact that they were simply defending their home. He only knew that 5000 of his commando brothers died because of them and the droids, which was enough reason for him to tear all of them to pieces

[@RoyalLegend1000]

basically the Umbarans was exactly like the Rebells fighting for the freedom of there home planet, you could say they was the first Rebells

[@RehnanCT-]

"Your right,we were invaders and it wasn't our place to try and take a once loyal world but I didn't fight I'd get a death squad on my back" CT-6963 Lieutenant Xander 501st recollecting his experiences on Umbara and awareness of Covert Ops clone troopers

[@Stealth_Saber]

I kind of wonder how this arc would change if we saw this from the perspective of assaults on populated areas. Cuz when we see the Umbaran arc in Clone Wars, it's from the 501st perspective and they are either out in the wild, along a road, or at a military base. There are never innocent civilians anywhere near involved. I think it would be interesting to see how the other clone battalions and maybe jedi were reacting to this planetary siege.

[@slimetank394]

literally Space Vietnam, stuck in a fight between 2 ideologies, enforced by 2 greater forces than them, just trying to protect their home and freedom.

[@webzentertainment]

One slight correction. Ditchi was not murdered because of his political views, he was murdered because he knew too much and could’ve given away Lola’s involvement in Farr’s murder. That’s why she killed him

[@adameimer1946]

Sometimes in war it is necessary to make a morally questionable choice. The republic had to win back Umbara or they quite possibly would have lost the mid-rim. Tactically it was the only choice they really had.

[@dungeonguy88]

Tactically, sure. The Umbarans definitely still had the moral high ground. And of course, Palpatine would have pushed for the invasion anyway just to ensure more brutal battles and losses to frighten the masses.

[@jameskosusnik1102]

Exactly conflict brute forces scientific and technological process.

[@CadentClock39]

Everyone: *Deep talks about how it felt wrong and really wrong* Me back as a kid: They brutally hurt my clone bros. Pure evil to me. (Fr though I agree, this whole battle for umbara felt so wrong.)

[@arielortiz5643]

Amazing video as always! It was always creepy to see the clones invade a system whose people decided to leave. It left me with a bitter feeling all over. It wasn't even a happy ending for one side, many clones died horrible deaths because of Pong Krell, the umbarans had their home occupied, clones were turned into invaders and the jedi got closer to the dark side of the force, pushing their order closer to the end. However, something I didn't know at all was Kashyk's importance on the mid rim. Perhaps knew vaguely about it's strategical importance, but not how the other worlds saw Kashyk. Maybe Geetsly can do a video explaining it. I would love it, as well as many other. Hope they can do it 💟

[@jordanwade517]

If you haven’t already, would love to see a video about the difference between arc and regular troopers

[@jordanwade517]

If you have done a video like that… link?

[@jeffjohnson1966]

I love that you guys did this breakdown! I agree that the Umbarans were just protecting their home against an untrustworthy government. I always root for the 501st, and it pains me to see how these brave and selfless Clones were used as pawns for Sidious's grand plan. They fought and died just so that Palpy Mc Scrotumface could have those more difficult world's already under his thumb when the war was over. This is why I feel that Palps was super evil. He orchestrated this entire war, sent millions to their deaths all for his gain.

[@darthlukeskywalker]

Though the clones had more Casalties they would have had a lot less if pong krell wasn't a traitor

[@mrmelon4444]

*Cries harder every passing second of the story arc*

[@virgiljianu7166]

I mean, for the Republic it was a lose-lose situation either way: do they invade Umbara (thus become the aggressors here) and again secure their vital supply line to the Mid Rim or do they leave them be but almost guarantee the loss of the Mid Rim to the CIS?

[@edkwon]

Umbarran arc = Space Vietnam And I mean that in every way possible

[@Maltatata]

This is quite an interesting topic, thanks for making a video about it

[@geetslys]

No worries!

[@aliciaaltair]

I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Jedi had gone to the separatists and made an offer, like, "get rid of dooku, ban slavery and be slightly less corrupt than the republic and we'll switch sides".

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

A somewhat good politician like Midichi (apologies if I am misspelling his name) was murdered because of his political views. Now why does that sound so familiar (rhetorical question).

[@adarshkamoda9183]

A hero to one side is a monster to the other. The unorthodox tactics and bravery of the Umbarans would naturally appear to be unnerving and hellish to the other side.

[@sumukhvmrsat6347]

Honestly if not for palpatine and the Seperatist council corporations ,, my support would definitely be based on the planet and location in the galaxy wide chess board

[@masterbuilder1862]

i will always feel bad for the clones after this battle because all odds were against them. Their general was against them from the start, they were fighting the enemy on their home land so they new their planet better, and their technology was far more advanced then the republic's. Also, we lost some of the best clones there are, Hardcase and Waxer. :'(

[@tnntaronewsnetwork4514]

Well of course of Umbra Witches were . . . Oh wait. The aliens right right.

[@Clutchhuncho]

Best Star Wars Channel out none of your topics are rehashed topics keep it up !

[@thebossman9176]

There are so many fantastic things you can say about the Umbara Arc, but one describes it all - masterpiece

[@Kai-ow9gi]

Seeing the organic military forces of the CIS is always a favorite for me. This is why I miss Jabiim. I wish they touched more on the organic forces more often.

[@laisphinto6372]

Sadly the clone wars show avoided this like a plague because they had to actually put more thought into it and cannot easily potray the CIS as evil and the clones as good

[@galacticknight55544]

I wish we could have something focused on a human unit in the CIS military.

[@marshalllatta2073]

The umbarans could have won the clone wars with all of their own technology

[@TheRealAquaz]

I don't believe in that. Theire forces would simply be to restricted in numbers. And even more I don't think all theire "toy's" would work as effective on other worlds than Umbara. It's a really special world after all. And not only the Umbaran Natives where a problem, the Flora and Fauna on that Planet too

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

I don’t think they’d have the means of mass producing their tech across the galaxy in a reasonable amount of time. Especially given how stingy the CIS council was on certain projects.

[@GuyInBlackClothes]

This is why even though I support the Republic because I love Clones, the CIS as a movement without the corporations which were evil or the sith; we're good. If you look towards the end of Bad Batch and anytime afterwards, CIS Senators we're imprisoned for just standing for their planet. Which shows who we're the good guys now. This includes any clones who actually cared for the innocent. What the Bad Batch did when they saw the "Insurgents", is correct. They weren't going to kill innocent people protecting their home. Lastly, Captain Howser's move to care about Ryloth shows even in the Republic; there was still some good.

[@Furonanator139]

What's worse is the republic could have likely negotiated them into neutrality, an arrangement that'd likely benefit the planet as well but the republic didn't care. And honestly Palpatine had nothing to do with it considering the republics long dark history before he was even born.

[@MONTANI12]

potential history always said it was like the Vietnam war, but I never knew it was almost a mirror, like them worrying about other worlds having a domino effect to join another group, its insane how subtle it is written.

[@zexalbrony4799]

Calling our heroes the Clones villains, especially after what those Umbaran's did to our boys and the fact that their leaving endangered the great Wookies who I also love, you're committing an act of mutiny here, Geetsly. lol.

[@theboss13OOO]

Agreed 😆

[@laisphinto6372]

When you are fine as well with the coruscant guard, raiding republic homes to prevent "terrorism"

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@laisphinto6372 That's different. The Coruscant Guards are assholes, them doing it is pretty obvious it's bad. But the 501st were good men, especially when led by the likes of Rex. Plus, the Republic citizen's the Coruscant Guards harassed couldn't really defend themselves, but the Umbaran's could and they killed many good Clones, also the Clones did take Umbarans as prisoners, so they weren't killing everyone, I didn't see any Umbarans being merciful and taking prisoners. It also says something about the good nature of those Clones that were taking prisoners, considering Kkrell was in charge of the 501st at the time, and with his bloodlust, I doubt he was telling them to take prisoners, but they did it anyway.

[@jameskosusnik1102]

In a way i feel like this is relatable as an Alaskan. Location wise umbara is like our location to the U.S

[@vistaredgt]

To quote Bender "They must learn of our peaceful ways, By Force"

[@galacticknight55544]

I wish we'd gotten to meet a few of these guys. Learned their stories and reasons for joining the CIS.

[@austinfisher1015]

My favorite arc of any TV series ever. Absolutely fantastic to the point that if I rewatch the show I just watch this arc alone.

[@AtlantisPriestHood]

The best thing i realized about this show is that it not only displayed how the republic overall was further losing its way, but also showed the progressing blindness if the jedi.

[@lerneanlion]

Another way to describe this is how Padme Amidala's dedication for peace and justice resulted in sufferings and deaths of thousands at least and millions at worst. For both the clones and the Umbarans, of course.

[@BlazinInfernape]

I really like the design of Umbara. The planet being perpetually in the shadows gives an almost sinister look to the population as a whole, which makes the unfortunate and sympathetic situation the planet was in a great subversion of expectations.

[@thegreatsnowblizzard3196]

It's very clear that the Umbara arc was meant to be the clone wars version of Vietnam

[@eatingpancakesrightnow2786]

As someone who was never blind by a love for the clones, duh. I was rooting for the Umbarans from the beginning

[@randallrona9618]

The Umbara arc reminds me to the Vietnam War where superior US forces was underestimated by the North Vietnamese forces and the harsh jungle battle zones.

[@blastedsneeze4460]

4:42 Mina bontari: a my a joke to you

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

Umbarans are always guilty of killing Hardcase. Never forget that

[@Tigershark_3082]

Hardcase sacraficed himself aboard a DROID ship

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

@@Tigershark_3082 That wouldn’t be there had the Umbarans been reasonable

[@dungeonguy88]

@@EdaugEthanbYT Palpatine was never going to allow a reasonable, diplomatic option to be followed. He wanted brutal, scary battles taking place across the galaxy.

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

@@dungeonguy88 All the Umbarans had to do was accept that Deeci died at the hands of a Separatist agent

[@dungeonguy88]

@@EdaugEthanbYT Again, Palpatine was never gonna let that be the end of it. Not when he had an opportunity to radicalize both the Republic and the CIS further.

[@kylologie6487]

2:10 - what about the droid attack on the Wookiees?

[@chrisdaily2077]

It ain't a kids show without the Vietnam War allegory.

[@DATA-qt3nb]

Noo, i totally agree! The Umbarans were just protecting there home when it comes down to it and the Republic did it out of necessity so i see why it was logical to them even if it wasnt really justified or right

[@chivington4065]

General Krell was being a "hard-ass" on Umbara just like General Patton was in WW2.

[@dungeonguy88]

Well...General Krell was also literally a traitor that was sabotaging the war effort intentionally.

[@myleswelnetz6700]

How dare the Umbarans see the Republic’s corruption! The nerve of those people!

[@wrightroenigk]

Senator Me Dici sounds like Medici Which is a nice historical reference if you know anything about Renaissance Italy

[@Tk52781]

I was scrolling through to the comments to see if anyone else picked up on that.

[@Cwronaga216]

Too bad their society was kind of evil however imagine just how cool and interesting Star Wars technology would have been if more organizations used umbaran technology later in the wars to come especially the technology they use to create their cockpits and heads-up displays and shielding

[@jdpragmatic8644]

Like the Vong?

[@white_ninja9828]

It’s not so much that the clones were the bad guys in this case. It’s more the people that were handing out orders. The clones were just doing what they were told. Which is a philosophical argument in its own right, but I digress.

[@XevenYT143]

Growing up you realized that the watching The Clone Wars was a tragic show

[@brucesmith8285]

The clones were doing the pre-work of the empire.

[@miguelperez9906]

It was a very grim battle in a dark world …. So it was basically grim…dark

[@clonesolar]

Clone: "Hans, are we the good guys?" Clone 2: "Ja, of course we are." Clone: "But, but you- killed that umbaran by breaking his mask." Clone 2: "So? They're bad guys!" Clone: "I don't think this is right, im deserting." *shoots other clone in the head and hops into a Arc-170*

[@justasimplenobody2666]

The umbarans didn't do anything wrong but General Krell definitely did... he sucked...

[@skorpion3993]

I honestly never understood the battle of Umbara, it literally just seemed like a race of people protecting their homeworld, it was a great series of episodes but it did confuse me and was never given much backstory in the show. I think most of the focus was put on Pong Krell and his conflict with the 501st and the Umbarans were basically just made to look like the enemies when realistically they weren’t, especially with those scary ass machines.

[@Karlos1234ify]

You say that, but we lost too many Clones during that escapade

[@s0ph053]

"The confederacy didn't let it's members of parliament get murdered," Yeah, tell that too Mins Bonteri, force rest her soul.

[@GrumpyMann]

As much as I like the clones, I think it should still be said that the Umbarans were fighting not as much for a belief in the Separatist cause but for their home, and as such fought tooth and nail to protect it. Every inch of ground the Republic took was going to be paid for in clone blood. I mean, how would you feel if a representative of your own country was brutally murdered in cold blood in an allied country and your people decided to secede from that alliance? How would you feel if that former ally decided to invade your country to force it back into an alliance just to win a different war that, before all of that, had nothing to do with you? And how would you feel if you saw foreign troops driving tanks through your streets and taking shits on your front lawn, knowing that some of them may or may not have been fighting your own fellow countrymen? The whole Umbara arc has a basis in reality more than a lot of people care to really think of. God I really rambled for a while there, I forgot I was in the damn youtube comments section. Fuck it, posting it anyway.

[@barnettmcgowan8978]

Great video! I like your take on this story arch.

[@marciafiorentino1190]

The republic was the actual bad guy in the CW lol. Expansionists. The confederacy of INDEPENDENT systems, do you know why they name themselves like that? Because they wanted to claim independency from the Republic, also why they were called separatists. But the republic said nono.

[@basedbattledroid3507]

All of the Separatista were in the right, fight me, roger roger

[@robland3253]

6:23 the um arena were unjustified in their succession, the senator was murdered by a crazy aide, who was then arrested.

[@MitchellSaad]

To be fair, the Umbarans knew what they were getting into when they seceded from the Republic and joined their enemies the Separatist. The Republic had every right to fight the enemies so close to home and in such a vital location. It’s just war

[@dungeonguy88]

The Umbarans also had every right to secede and fight as ruthlessly as possible to defend their homes.

[@AdamTheEvangelist24]

Let the lessons of corrupt government hit home when we deal with the Palpatine like tactics of our own government. It's never black and white when there is corruption and greed in power.

[@AlexanderRJaruk]

I would argue that it often is exactly that, bla

[@juliantheapostate3779]

I'd assume part of the social contract the Republic held with it's member worlds must have been "to protect and make an honest effort to protect the member worlds." A beloved representative dying in what's supposed to be the most secure area in the Republic shows that it can't even keep its capital safe. The Republic failed to uphold its end of that contract. The Umbarrans had every legal right to end that relationship.

[@H240909]

If it was just about supply lines, couldn’t they have just negotiated a neutrality agreement? What was stopping the Republic from just flying through the Umbaran’s system without setting foot on the planet? Just set up a space station or two, send a garrison of warships, and tell the Umbarans, “Stay away from our ships and we’ll stay off your planet.” I know the Republic was in full Empire mode by this point, but from a tactical perspective, suppressing the Umbarans was a waste of time, resources, and soldiers. Guard the trade lanes until Order 66 and then break their agreements with the Umbarans like the Empire did with all other Separatist worlds. Then again, no one accused fascists of being smart.

[@dungeonguy88]

That would have been the pragmatic path, possibly. Though that would invite the possibility of sabotage or raids from the Umbarans; they were shown to have their own starfighters at least. But winning the war with as little loss as possible wasn't Palpatine's goal. Palpatine wanted brutal, horrific battles with the Jedi front-and-center to frighten the masses and weaken the faith the people had in the Jedi. A horrible, bloody slog was exactly what Palpatine wanted.

[@imperialprotocoldroid8570]

Umbara=Space Vietnam Also just like Vietnam this whole battle could've been done through negotiations instead of blood shed.

[@indianajones4321]

No juice left in him either

[@Beery1962]

If Umbara was the Umbarans' home world, why do they fight while wearing what look like space suits?

[@vaughnhennessey5421]

You want my opinion well I'll give you my opinion. FOR THE REPUBLIC

[@egs577]

Almost reminded me of that Scottish guy who made the "General Shepherd Did Nothing Wrong" video of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2. lol. Epic. 👌 👍

[@MexicanBagpiper96]

The Battle of Umbara looked like the Star Wars version of Okinawa. Well, it did to me.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I wonder how the Umbarans would’ve fared against the empire

[@mysticalarchives7821]

See, this touches upon one of my favorite aspects of the clone wars: the parallels that you can make with the Civil War. I know that a lot of people don’t like to make much comparisons to Civil War because people don’t really like looking at more of the nuances regarding the south in that conflict. There’s a pervasive view in that too how old the opinion that slavery was not the cause of secession or the war is just being “ignorant and disingenuous“ when discussing the Civil War. However, I think that if we remember the lessons we pull from Star Wars regarding the secession of confederate systems, we can remember that you can recognize the wrong that’s done by one side of a war while still acknowledging their reasons and justification for taking the actions that led to war. In this case, the south seceded prior to the Civil War not because they were upset over slavery, but because they felt that the American republic was growing to centralize in violation of constitutional limitation and they especially felt that the republic in the United States wise tending to favor special interest at the detriment of member states. Those in the north constantly preached about internal improvements and a great national economy, but even when the south agreed to a proposed economic development or internal improvement, the north always insisted that such efforts had to be concentrated in northern states or northern territories. Avery new railroad that went across the country had to take a northern route and never a southern round. All tariffs had to be accommodating for northern industrial interest without concern for the fact that the southern economy relied on foreign trade for their textiles. Then in the election of 1860, a president is elected solely based on support from northern states without any consent or support from the southern states. This presented an image of the United States to the south that the country no longer offered them any benefit but only exploitation. They weren’t even really wrong about this. Congress was constantly favoring Northern industrial and economic interests and did really tend to ignore concerns from the south. In fact, the whole thing about saying that secession was because of slavery came from the fact that the north never understood the south and always just assumed that the disagreements were over slavery due to the prominence of slavery in the southern economy. Now, to many in the south they did have issues related to slavery on a social and economic level which is what muddies a lot of the issues. However, their reason for disagreeing with lies about what type of economic practices, i.e. whether or not you could own slaves, were permitted in the south Were based on issues of constitutional provisions and enumerated rights. Their issues with tariffs were over the fact that they seemed to disproportionately affect the south due to the greater amount of export and import that was tied to their economics than what you would find in the north. Slavery wasn’t deed to a lot of these issues due to the way there society and economy worked, but it wasn’t the issues affecting slavery that motivated them to take issue with what the north was doing; they took issue with the fact that the actions being pursued by the north were disadvantageous to the south in order to give a benefit to the north. In short, the south ultimately decided to secede from the union because they felt that the United States was consistently growing to become a more centralized national government that served corrupt special interests while disregarding its constitutional obligations to provide a mutual benefit to all states equally. Now they were misguided and wrong in some areas, but ultimately they were correct in their basic assessment of what had been going on with American economic policy up to that point for the most part. Most of all, however, even if they may not have had the most noble of reasons for succeeding, they ultimately did have a right of self determination and deciding whether or not they wanted to continue being governed by the United States. Just like every world in the galactic republic had a right to decide they no longer wanted to remain a part of that government, every state in America had and still has the right to decide not to remain a part of the United States. And to those saying that there is no legal right to secession, including those who will try to bring up the 1869 Supreme Court case in which such in an assertion was made, all I can say is that your conclusion void mandate that a people can only leave a nation that they feel does not represent them or their interest through armed revolution rather than peaceful political action. In other words, that interpretation mandates that war must always occur for secession to take place and that is a dangerous principle to follow. Justice through warfare is not truly justice.

[@warhawk4494]

Yeah the clones were the bad guys here.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Umbara is basically a mini version of the whole war.

[@viperson9818]

Umbarens joined the separatist and note that there were no droids on the planet surface. Only separatists in orbit/ atmosphere.

[@victazo1000]

6:50 The clone army being BASED as always

[@celticwolf1425]

If you're a main planet for the trade route and could destroy one side by simply not staying its almost guaranteed you'll be subjugated at least till the end of the war