Why The New Tundra is LESS CAPABLE Off-Road, But A "Better Tundra"

A technical review of the 3rd gen Tundra suspension design vs that of the 2nd gen.
Thank you Nick Fisher and Greg Mohrman from @koch33toyota94 for lending me all the parts. www.koch33toyota.com/
Thank you Cong from @4WDisLife for contributing his 2nd gen for testing.
Thank you Josh @Everything.offroad and James (instagram @overlanding_warrior) for wheeling with me. Join Northeast Off-Road Club to see Josh sends his Tundra. / neoffroad
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[@Community-Action]

It’s shocking!!

[@KevinLin145]

Every day I wake up waiting for a Tinkerer's Adventure video. Despite not owning a toyota 4x4.

[@rotorhead5000]

As someone who did use a full size truck for quite a while for some pretty hard-core off road adventures, it is an exercise in masochism. With a real short chassis version it isn't too bad, but you are still wide enough where everything is a tight squeeze, turning radius sucks so every tight bend is a 3 point turn, breakover angle means a lot of rocks and drop ins are anxiety inducing. About the only place they really do well is out in wide open spaces at speed where the increased dimensions and weight improve stability. I went to the darkside recently and got a 2 door jeep, and all these places around home that were always anxiety inducing, needing to think thin just to squeeze between two trees, not drag my gastank on a rock, and the like, are now a breeze, easy, relaxing even. I've learned my lesson, and I kind of feel like toyota has as well, and chosen to focus on what that full size truck is going to be doing 95% of the time, vs trying to optimize what it will be doing that other 5%.

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When someone talks to me while YouTubing it, Kai is one of the few content creators I pause the video for…hell I even hit the like button before I even watch it.

[@svnfall11]

Loved how you compared your two friends in their preferences, that really explains things out simplier for people to understand

[@MrSweetHart6976]

As a 2nd gen Tundra owner who does off road his Tundra, I fully approve this video 😃

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[@AaronBlankenship]

Manufacturers should take note of the quality of this video and the relevance of the information presented. Treating us like educated buyers enstills loyalty. Great job on the layout and structure of as well.

[@mightymite7711]

Now I want to see a comparison of the 2nd Gen and 1st Gen tundra (double Cab)

[@donnlongstreet5110]

I LOVE technical reality! Go Kai!

[@jakemaughan3818]

We 100% need the same kind of video for the 2nd and 3rd gen Sequoia, especially since they went from an independent rear suspension to the solid axle!

[@origamihawk]

I would love to see a comparison of the different TNGAF platforms (tundra, sequoia, lx600). As a land cruiser guy I kinda feel like the 300 series is not really the major upgrade in durability that it used to be in the older generations and would be interested to see if there is still a difference.

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Please compare the LX570 to the LX600. I love this detailed content and am tired of other KZbinrs making blank statements without providing detailed evidence.

[@IdExplorMor]

I absolutely love watching your comparisons. You seem to do a fantastic job of covering all the info, options, and reasoning.

[@benbernhard9374]

Thanks for another super informative video! I love learning more about my 2nd gen Tundra!

[@zxx9554]

It’s so nice to see all support from this community. Nerdy but solid research as always, great work!!!

[@CivilAeronautics]

I learn so much from your videos. I sincerely appreciate your time, effort, and sharing!

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Awesome technical content as usual. Keep up the great work.

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Definitely missed your videos and glad you’re back! Looking forward to the next one!

[@michaelhanna1273]

Always the best details and accurate information from THE Tinker!. Thank you.

[@Trucks_Wranglers]

Thanks for making this video Kai. As a Tundra owner, I've been waiting for this one! Keep up the great work, truly one of the best channels out there for off-road enthusiasts to learn about their vehicles.

[@boostbogan]

As always, unbelievable content and the best editing in the game. Also a few laughs included. Love your work Tinkerer

[@JasonExplainsThings]

Awesome stuff. Can't wait for your technical videos about the 4th Gen Tacoma!

[@drewwagner7985]

Great info. I like the engineering spin you have in your videos. Having wheeled a modified 2nd gen and a stock 2.5 gen they are no slouches offroad. Cheers

[@GregsBlueTacoma]

Excellent review! I loved the cross examination you did. I'm really curious if you could do one with sways bars removed front, back and every which way to compare both trucks in every sway bar configuration. Love the channel!

[@nmda9578]

You're the man, Kai! Thank you breaking it all down, as always.

[@mohamedalmutawaa5221]

Love your content! Would be very interesting to see a comparison of stock multi-links vs an upgraded multi-link setup 😎 looking forward to the next videos

[@anorakadventures]

I love this video so much. The part comparisons are awesome too.

[@ALMX5DP]

Very thorough and informative. Great video!

[@cowelk]

I am a Jeep Wrangler guy but I love your channel. So much information that is useful to all vehicle owners. Of course, I am a subscriber. I look forward to your next adventure.

[@kkavanagh]

This is excellent content. I’ve been wheeling and talking about Tundras for ten years (even started an event dedicated to the called Tundras to Sedona), and this was a great watch. Educational with clear distinction in the varied purposes people build Tundras for. I’m in the more hardcore side myself, but we welcome every kind of off road build at the event. Even stock.🤘

[@ericeiber4911]

Man , as a fellow engineer I love watching your breakdowns and explanations! great work!

[@whereisjohnnow]

most of your technical explanation went over my head but the comparison between your two friends made it all clear and everything made sense.

[@philipgauthier3570]

Great comparisons and articulation of the facts. Thank you!

[@trentgriswold]

Great video! I’m falling in love with my 2nd gen more and more every day.

[@ChickenKing55]

Your channel is a gem. Keep it up!

[@JustinMock1]

Just happened upon your channel looking at AT tires. While I'm not specifically looking for all the info you have here on your channel, I've watched a few of your videos simply because they're informative, well thought-out, and I love the scientific perspective you take. Very cool!

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The content on this channel is highly factual and objective, which is saying a lot for a KZbin channel. I love your content. Please keep it up. And I'd love to see a video with your thoughts about the LC 200 vs LX 570 suspension setups for off road use. Cheers!

[@chuckr7871]

Thank you for the Tudra content. I have a 3rd generation sr5 off road long wheel base and use it primarily on raods and back woods trails. I really enjoy the ride quality of it.

[@tj_offroad]

As always an awesome well thought out and enlightening video. I really appreciate your technical analysis of things and not relying on gut feeling or subjective values only. Looking forward to the next video!

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Best reviewer and technical videos in the buisness. GJ Tinker!

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Awsome video, as always, love the way you look at things as an engineer

[@julianguerrero6964]

Congrats to you and you team, awesome explanation in regards to old gen vs new gen.

[@Minjoeman]

Very good explanation and for me further brings home why I wanted this 3rd Gen Tundra, selling my 2 Gen. I wanted ride quality! Yes I need Truck like features for Hauling dirt bikes and towing my Travel Tailer. I do my off road’ing on my YZF250! But when I am on a wide open fire road…. Let’s have some fun!

[@Everything.offroad]

Great video!!! You explained everything so well!!! 10/10!!

[@ClimbAClassic]

Solid research man 👍. Would love to see your take on 1st gen tundra vs 2nd.

[@IndependenceOverland]

Kai, your videos are always my favorite! I always learn something, thank you! Can’t wait to see you get your hands on the Tacoma and Land Cruiser!

[@TinkerersAdventure]

Thank you man. Same to you!

[@off-roadingexplained8417]

Yeah I did the same ramp test on my friends 2nd gen tundra and it flexed way more than my Cherokee trailhawk. I was impressed!

[@AndrewGroat7]

Wow, thank you so much for this in depth video. Looking forward to the next. I hope you do a similar series with the new Tacoma! Also, maybe one for the new Land Cruiser!!

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

those side-by-side part comparisons are nuts. would love to see this for the new tacoma vs 3rd gen.

[@tywat9797]

Thank you for another amazing video! Can’t wait to see a video coming the 4th to 3rd gen tacoma’s.

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Great job on this and all of your videos!

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Man you make the best technical videos clear and cocise!!!

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Great content. Your videos are very educational. thx

[@offroadwarfare9526]

I may not have a toyota but i love the fact your in PA, and the info from your videos is helpful for my application.

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This is a great channel! Love it!

[@mrgylex123]

absolutely amazing break down. thank you

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Awesome content as always!

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as always, your videos are super high quality

[@UrbanOpsOffRoad]

Hell yeah my dude! The video the real ones have been waiting for. Sit down and or serve the facts.

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Just commenting so your videos get more views and attention more people need to see them! Excellent quality explanation and demonstrations

[@stephanematis]

Excellent analysis. Thank you.

[@painofanunamedsoul]

looking forward to your videos about next gen 4runner when it comes out. that and if decide to do a series for the new land cruiser too.

[@dixonbuttes6564]

Another winner by Kai … nice work, sir! I don’t even own a Tundra and likely won’t, but the principles here are super valuable to anyone wanting to understand the dynamics of IFS trucks. Yep, I think this video is even useful for understanding other vehicles, like the Tacoma, Bronco, Frontier, and so on … 👏👏👏

[@Kung.Pao.Kitty.]

Another awesome video. Super impressive. Thank you.

[@zapadoswayne]

Great Video! Always well presented info.

[@scotthsiang563]

Would be awesome to include Gen 1 tundra to the comparison as well! Great work Kai

[@aiztoh]

haven't seen some of yo videos in a while, time to binge watch 🍿

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Amazing work! Subscribed.

[@kylebrown2035]

Awesome comparison!

[@marcustomz]

Another Excellent Informative Video 💯

[@PowerTankOfficial]

Can't wait until you get your hands on the new Taco & LC! Keep it up!

[@johnb-ke9xi]

Another great video as always Kai! surprised you didn't flex the 3rd gen Tundra w/o the front sway connected, just to capture the difference in travel 🤔

[@TinkerersAdventure]

Thanks! I wished man. I asked Toyota for that, but they couldn’t let me do that on the press vehicle for safety reasons.

[@xCaldazar]

@@TinkerersAdventure That's unfortunate

[@vpa956]

As a Gen.2 owner I end up at some very different conclusions, mostly spinning all around the notion we once again being sold less for more, but I have liked the video and the course of thinking. And yeah, I am the guy who needs the stuff they took away to give us what most people want.

[@SPARTAN-107]

Great work as always! Doing the lords work.

[@jankydriveway4694]

As a second gen owner I really enjoyed this video. Even if I wasn’t an owner though I would still watch because the insight and comparison information you offer is unmatched on KZbin. Great work!

[@dlansburg2673]

Excellent job, thanks

[@rwilliamjacob]

Getting trucks down the trails at Aoaa and Rausch are tough…

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This video got me to subscribe. Awesome content, thank you for your work.

[@Lycon721995]

Just taught me sooooo much about suspension, wow

[@synergyperformance6790]

Awesome info! Someday I WILL have an off road rig to take a road trip with. Just hope I’m still young and healthy enough to do it by then.

[@angrychilimango630]

I own a 2nd gen 2wd tundra and I’m truly impressed of the places that truck can go ! It off-roads real well, I do have a lifted jeep for the other harder stuff .

[@angrychilimango630]

@@iridium8341that’s true most are used for daily drivers and work trucks ….

[@Rottingboards]

Great review of changes.

[@Clintshandpainted]

Another awesome video! Thanks

[@ExpatonTwoWheels]

Great info as always! One thing you didn’t mention is how those new rear shock hangers are really going to get hung up off-road. But you’re right, these trucks spend most of their time on road and far more owners care about ride and handling. It is a shame they didn’t make a TRD Sport with that setup and a Pro for those who do want to off-road.

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We need to see more of Joshs tundra

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All the content you make is god tier.

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Love your videos. Thank you so much.

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New subscriber. Thanks for the great content!

[@montechie]

I love your detailed comparisons. When I saw the press events for the 4thG Taco/6thG 4runner yours was the first channel I looked for before anyone else. Can't wait to see your analysis, if you do one. Some of the components on the new Tundra are surprisingly tiny. The rear lower arms are tiny in diameter compared to my Gladiator's arms, or for that manner my JKS arms on my TJ/LJ. I wonder what the wall thickness is of the tube?

[@thechamberofchillz9705]

That’s great, still keeping my 2018.

[@IvanovKirill]

Thank you for the video. I learned a lot of useful information. I will take this into account when building my Niva 4x4 👍🏻 Although it does not have a frame, I will take into account the size of the tires, which were discussed in previous issues. Are there any off-road enthusiasts among your friends who drive a car with a monocoque body? It would be interesting to compare them with frame SUVs, to see the advantages and disadvantages of both.

[@vangcha7562]

Great video, a lot of details.

[@skye1355]

Awesome video as always

[@giladbo101]

Great video as always. Now, as 2nd gen owner who does alot of off rosd and actually removed the front sway bar. I am wondering how much more/less travel it will gain without front sway bar. Like the video you did with the fj where you deleted the sway bar fkr the comparison. I removed the front and installed the rear trd solid seay bar for higher speed. But also i installed it while i changed the rear shocks to 5100 which is stiffer then stock. So not sure what helped more for the ride in higher speeds but im sure wondering how much articulation i lost/gain with rear only.

[@ryansearlybronco]

Love your videos. Wish you did more than just Toyota thoughts!

[@jackryan8529]

Love your videos - I have an FJ and going to do some work, I would love some of your insight. Thanks

[@keithgallagher2810]

I'd like to add a point to the 2ed gen swaybar, I added one to the rear of my 2012 and it made a big difference with pulling a trailer as well as normal road handling. Yes I noticed the difference in suspension travel offroad but the trade off was well worth it to me.

[@CherokeeChief.]

I’d like to see the first gen sequoia vs second gen and 3rd. Also first gen tundra vs the 2nd and 3rd.

[@Wyatt_B]

Amazing video sir!

[@MatthewHeiskell]

Great video! So much good info!