Why The Porsche Cayenne Coupe Turbo S E-Hybrid Is The Stupidest Car On Sale Today

Today courtesy of Porsche UK I have the pleasure of sampling two cars in their current lineup. I'm not in love with the 992, so I asked for a pair of Porkers which were not 911s. We begin with this, the very long named Cayenne Coupe Turbo S E-Hybrid. What's it like?
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[@johnclayney2933]

James will only ever make two trips to Porsche Reading. One to collect these cars and one to drop them off.... ; )

[@Joshkemponcars]

😂😂 we need more people like James though, we can’t keep sugar coating cars for the sake of further business with the manufacturers.

[@yammy1000]

Obviously has a big problem with them for some reason.

[@TheSteinbitt]

@@Joshkemponcars being edgy and contrarian just for the sake of views isn’t really helpful either.

[@duncanorr5926]

Let's hope Porsche watch more than 5 minutes of the video and get to the positive bits!

[@hjvh78ho]

lol as if Porsche are actually going to watch this video. They couldn't care less what this guy says about 2 of their best selling cars (maybe not the se hybrid or turbo but the cayenne and taycan in general).

[@Tential1]

@@hjvh78ho except they actually do care, the advertising model is moving to influencers. You do realize that there has been publicized disputes between larger companies in the whole Volkswagen group and small KZbinrs like this.

[@SDK2006b]

I imagine the majority of people buying this aren't doing it for space requirements. It's for the in-trend SUV style, supercar performance and again, in-trend electric power.

[@andrewfrancis3591]

For it's real intended use a 4 door salon would work just as well. Cant see many of these going mud plugging.

[@Hali88]

yeh it's very compromised - trying to be all things to all people

[@hjvh78ho]

Exactly! shame there are so many people on here who just don't understand that notion and jump on the oh it's just a dumb idea bandwagon. All the complaining about the boot space... on a coupe hybrid?? The people buying them already know that the coupe has a smaller boot than the normal version and that most hybrid tech means losing some space in the boot.

[@dct124]

I disagree, here's why. Big 2 "parking priority" and "HOV Lane access" Business owner tax deductions. Currently, US business owner's who purchase a hybrid, +6000 GVWR vehicle can not only get a 100% tax depreciation on the vehicle but a bonus as well. Now for this SUV you can only max out up to $25k but with Federal & State tax incentives you get additional deductions and if you buy it brand new you'll get 50% bonus depreciation. There's some other deduction you can take on regarding the hybrid system. So instead of paying for a brand new $85k Porsche Cayenne Hybrid they may only pay $30k-$50k depending on options. They're buying it as a performance family hauler that has dual purpose for winter performance driving and over high waters. I stay in Annapolis, MD and we have high tides all the time off the East Coast. Many owners have weekend high performance cars they put away for winter. As much as I dislike SUV's they do provide a utility that an Estate car cannot and many prefer not to purchase a truck b/c a wagon is more practical for mundane family usage around town. There's no shortage of Mercedes-Benz, Land Rover and Porsche SUVs around town especially considering most residents own boats, yatchs, or some sort of water craft. Something like this is easier to maneuver around town on the small side streets, parking lots, back roads and gated communities. Personally I've only required a 4x4 for one occasion which was a steep icy hill that had I not used 4L, I'd slide back down like all the other cars. With in car Navigation I've been able to reroute myself incase of road closures, high water or downed trees. But saying it's for those very few minute things I think is invalid, b/c this truck has the same capacity as a Mini, Kia Soul, or other small SUVs but sits higher and out performs most sports cars or anything on the road in bad conditions. The #1 (I'll list these 2 atop) reason I can think of is a hybrid while less practical actually has an advantage I never hear spoken online. That's "parking priority" and "HOV Lane access". You get to park upfront next to handicap spaces if they have charger's. You get priority parking in parking garages at apartments or city area's. Priority parking at parks, amusement parks, and national parks. You get a HOV lane and don't require a passenger so you save way more time in a hybrid if it's how you commute to work especially if you used it to drop off your kids at school and have to drive from Annapolis to D.C. which takes 1hr in rush hour traffic without the HOV lane. Obviously you shouldn't speed but 9 out of 10 times you can get away with pushing 80-90mph cutting your time from 60min to 25min and vice versa coming back home and having to do it again. 120min vs 50min is a big deal when you add that over 1wk, 1mo, 1yr or 10yrs, that's a lot of time better used than sitting in traffic being no use to anyone. I don't know about anyone else but 250min vs 600min in a week is massive. 28,800min being cut by more than half is huge. So my big 3 is Time, HOV access, and Priority Parking. Even parking you save time vs having to park far away they give you a spot only other hybrids or EVs can access. Imagine being an older man or woman but not quite a senior with children and a full time corporate job working on the East Coast or all 4 Season area with high population. Just think how quickly you can get to an Airport if there's an accident on the road and the HOV lane is open. Personally for me I'd not get the panaramic roof, sun roof or carbon roof and instead would option a roof rack and trailer hitch. Porsche's are known for being one of the best trailer vehicles due to it's smooth ride and handling. Add a roof rack and now you can haul ass to a airport, ski resort or summer vacation and not sit in a bunch of traffic with a 50% discount + whatever you negotiated and have Porsche reliability and performance and value (low depreciation).

[@dct124]

@@andrewfrancis3591 nah, there's many things this vehicle has going for it beyond a sedan or estate and I don't like SUVs but in the US they're hot because, of cost savings, time savings, privilege, reliability, performance, ride height and value that does actually exceed a sedan or estate by a wide margin. Now vehicle for vehicle an SUV just has ride height and towing capacity. You start adding HOV lane, parking, tax breaks, tax deductions, high safety (aside from rollovers), then it starts to make sense, when you can save some 30,000hrs of your life per year from traffic. $30,000 or more in savings. Even more saved on maintenance compared to even the Toureg, Q8 and other competetors aside from Lexus and Toyota which I personally prefer the styling and performance of the Ceyanne to a RX, GX or RAV4 🤷🏾‍♂️ once you factor in business you can get the Ceyanne for the price of a RAV4 or GX and have the same reliability.

[@sparky4878]

When the car’s name is too long to fit on the boot that’s not a good start.

[@hi9580]

It's good if you want a car with everything

[@baronvonhoughton]

Rory at Autotrader taught me Porsche sold 280,000 vehicles last year. 200,000 of which were SUV's! Lamborghini too, sold 8000, 5000 of which were SUV.

[@5thgearouttahere]

The great thing about this Cayenne is it's gravitational pull brings your destination _to you_ !🧲

[@maxw8751]

😂👌

[@gaara4667]

If you’re gonna make a hybrid car with a 4.0L V8...you’re not thinking about the planet

[@alanwilliams1223]

Now that's Greta's 18 though.....

[@Snapper314]

There are 2 types of SUVs... - The kind to haul people & stuff. - The kind to haul @$$. The Porsche Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid excels at the latter.

[@cousinjames9660]

It’s designed to get round the stupidly excessive taxation in markets like France - much less stupid

[@newbeginnings8566]

You are so correct and the French 'malus' tarifs are a great example of this stupidity and why companies are being forced to do daft things..

[@Hyrppa95]

Yep, exactly this. Want a Cayenne Turbo Coupé in Finland? That'll be 278k euros. Want a Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid Coupé instead? Well that'll cost you just 197k euros.

[@RogerBaileyOnCars]

one of your best videos James, from the controversial title, brutal honesty and your conveying of the cayenne experience, top stuff, I hope they ask you back !

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

SUV? Yes. pretend-coupé roofline? Yes. hybrid? Yes. enormous rims? Yes. the weight of a small sun? Yes. digital dashboard? Yes. touchscreens? Yes. flat, thick A-pillars? Yes. expensive enough to only be bought by the seriously rich or financed by the seriously shady? Yes. yet subsidised by tax money? Yes.

[@julianevans9548]

But surely a 700bhp SUV is precisely how we should be using hybrid technology? The whole point of hybrid technology is to allow us to drive preposterously powerful behemoths that serve no purpose whatsoever, while feeling like we're not destroying the environment.

[@leokal457]

In Germany this thing gets subsidised by taxes but a prius doesnt because it doesnt have a charger

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

@@julianevans9548 Have my upvote.

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

@@leokal457 Don't get me started on our government's transport policy...

[@raupenimmersatt6906]

@@leokal457 Same here in Austria. A GLE Hybrid is cheaper than a GLC lol because of tax reduction. Yeah nice job there Austria+Germany

[@caferacer9768]

My bicycle made the same sound with playing cards clipped to the front forks.

[@GH-fh7pn]

Lol 😂 😆

[@ambassadoroftruth99]

Respectfully, no it didn’t:)

[@ekkuhypponen2204]

cmon give it some love. Coupe is not the most practical one, but it is the cool one

[@Hali88]

at least it's much better looking than the BMW equivalents

[@ekkuhypponen2204]

@@Hali88 true

[@NH00531]

Never been particularly into Porsches, so only watched this video because of the title. Wasn’t disappointed, great presentation, entertaining and as unbiased as ever. 👍

[@Bigboss86652]

The first and last time porsche deal with James 🤣

[@hjvh78ho]

I doubt it, Porsche will lend cars to pretty much anyone media related, the reason? because they aren't really bothered or should I say worried about what will be said. In reality this video does zero harm to Porsche it wouldn't even show up on their radar, their order books are full and they are happy to lend the press cars out and not to be seen in the same light as Mclaren for example getting upset if one person says something negative about one of their products.

[@scanspeak00]

That SUV is a complete monstrosity.

[@paulthomson9014]

They all are , the most useless pointless fashion accessories ever . I hate them all

[@MaxStraesser]

As an owner of a Cayenne Coupe Turbo S E-Hybrid, I very much agree with many of the points you make. Unfortunately, like most other "practical" porsches, having the right spec really does make a difference. Without the lightweight package, for example, the car really does feel far more luxurious than in the spec you reviewed. Likewise, qualms with the boot space and rather limited electric-only range makes me think that in hindsight, after a year of living with the Cayenne, I might well have been better off with buying a BMW X5 45e and a Boxter GTS 4.0 instead of a fully-specced out Cayenne. That being said, it's a Porsche and really does feel like a proper beast, and fuel economy (when the battery is fully charged) is a decent 10L/100km on a mixed day of city and motorway driving. Oh well, I'll make a more informed decision when it's finally safe to go full (non-Tesla) EV.

[@Orryv]

Never go ev

[@julianevans9548]

5 minutes in, and you're right about everything so far - including the houndstooth in a luxury car.

[@ckneasel]

It’s not a “luxury” car... 🙄

[@Subixee]

Finally!!!! Have been waiting for you to review Porsche!!!! ♥️♥️

[@5alm0n]

I can’t understand why people would make a car of that size with 4 seats .. and a small boot

[@hjvh78ho]

because it's the coupe version, want a big boot... look at the normal cayenne not the coupe. And it's done to compete with the BMW X6M etc, in the same way every other manufacturer responds when a rival carves out a new niche within an existing model lineup.

[@5alm0n]

@@hjvh78ho but if you want a coupe look why not get a coupe that will drive better. Then a big coupe like box that gives you no benefits. I just can’t understand buying something that big and not being able to use the key feature of its size.

[@JasonWaterfalls13]

I love Porsche, I like Cayennes a lot, I still think the idea of a coupe SUV is utterly stupid.

[@blackduncan9812]

Yeah it's like tring to take a 2 seat roadster and make it as practical as suv or wagon. The type of car that a roadster is dictates that it's just not going to be that practical, and any attempts to do so will only hurt the car being a roadster.

[@andyhunt457]

Stupid yes but actually sells quite well.Having driven several Range Rover SVRs I'm still not convinced I would have any one of the cars in this segment.Too much of a compromise in the fun department.

[@joetacchino4470]

@@andyhunt457 Good sales of these just mean there are too many people with more cash than brains.

[@ckneasel]

The Cayenne coupe is the best looking coupe SUV

[@PaulTC777]

It is made to look cool not intended as a practical car. Looks way better than an Audi Q8 (a fake SUV Coupe). Audi doesnt have the balls to design a real slooping roof line. The Q8 doesnt differ much from a Q7.

[@SamAustin]

That noise! 🤩 Great video as always.....loved the title 😂

[@LeytonC]

I thought the only reason for the hybrid tech on those type of cars was to reduce road tax and stop paying the congestion charge? Maybe that is not the case now. Great video! Looking forward to the other one.

[@newbeginnings8566]

Thank you for standing up and stating the reality of these vehicles.. They are heavy, save a tiny amount of energy at low speeds but guzzlers fuel at all other speeds... This in any world is a stupid car and I am not a Thunberg type.. Go Toyota LandCruiser or stick to saloon / estate fast cars.. The Cayenne turbo hybrid E is really totally going nowhere..

[@TDUTOM]

Personally I love that spec! Colour isn’t in your face, nice contrast with the hounds tooth, wouldn’t have the carbon roof package but Id spec the alloys! Would love to see the spec you’d go for on one? Great review as always!

[@brianiswrong]

The perfect family SUV for the person with no kids.

[@Tential1]

You caught me, that's why I like these very stupid SUVs. The stupider the better. An SUV coupe? sign me up. I didn't think it was going to get more ridiculous than four-door coupes

[@laurencecorbett4290]

Great honest review James. Great fan of your down to earth reviews. Keep up the good work.

[@docgramps1]

For when you want a big car, but don't want a lot of space, but also don't want it to handle like a big car. Why not just buy a car then and not an SUV?

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

At least Jayemm is honest on his reviews. That's how Jeremy Clarkson started off years ago.

[@yammy1000]

DoubleDeckerAnton by that I assume you mean a huge dislike for Porsche?

[@FuelwithDave]

Wasn't to sure on watching this one but glad I did. Good review and looking forward to the next video 👍

[@boogboog8097]

Other than the tax scam nobody wants to lug around 200kg of batteries in an already heavy car

[@mawaboutcars671]

Driving through Banbury! Every time I watch a video where I recognise the location really makes me envious. Invite me next time - Mitchell

[@newbeginnings8566]

Put the floor down to avoid seeing Banbury would be good advice....

[@steveberridge4648]

A great review - it’s just honest. You clearly enjoyed driving it but weren’t afraid to call it out for it’s numerous faults and all those on here commenting that you hate porsches forget that you owned a 996 and loved it.....

[@martinboulden3540]

Trust you get invited back ! The Panamera Sports Estate is the coolest family wagon ...... and in hybrid mode is good on the P11d.

[@mudskipper0075]

Exactly this regards P11d ,I came out my car lease scheme as the only options were crappy Toyota hybrids....

[@mavainfigatomareva]

The real problem that I find with cars such as this is that clearly there is a market commanding for them, which comes from a general lack of eductaion, sense of responsibility and good taste among nowadays customers.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

Yup, stupid cars exist because stupid people buy them...as a Porsche owner myself I've had couple of Cayenne/Macan drivers give me a thumbs up. They get a disparaging chuckle in return (no rude gestures or anything they can see, they are being nice to me after all!).

[@andyhunt457]

That's the same question as what came first the chicken or the egg.If I recall nobody asked for SUVs it was some fool in marketing who came up with the idea...think Nissan led the charge ....damn them 😁

[@jmcarbone2754]

Without the Cayenne and Macan, I doubt there would still be a 911 or even a Porsche. Perhaps we should thank these uneducated masses.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

​@@jmcarbone2754 Porsche made an SUV to appeal to all the people buying SUVs- if those people were buying saloons or hatchbacks instead then it seems certain Porsche would have made one of those. It's fair not to blame the manufacturer for making a product people want, it's the consumers who don't need to buy unnecessarily large and inefficient vehicles.

[@MickDrivesCars]

The amount of integrity this man has is phenomenal. You have a fan for life James!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thankyou!

[@diluxe]

Along with thecarguys channel I really appreciate he honesty of this channel which should surely win it some long term subscribers .

[@beachboy0505]

This is a good car review. Very critical and objective. This is the problem for VAG, how can they make the 'product differentiation' ?

[@Michael_NV]

Hi Jay! This car fits you perfectly. Excellent review. I'm thinking about one of these, but not coupe - the "normal" one.

[@lolakyle8]

I love that V8 growl sound!

[@daviddenley3512]

👏👏👏 The smile on your face says everything any of us need to know, my...how your views changed. Take care James...don't let the Bug Bite!

[@mac3490]

Your videos are really good.

[@nugget3030]

It sounds like an old tractor with the engine running away on its own oil

[@cheesyeurotrance95]

was going to say the same, sounds like it's misfiring

[@grahamhgraham]

Possibly your best review yet- simple, straight to the point brutal honesty. And this concept of reluctantly liking a car you had previously decided to mock is surely grounds for a sub series of similar ridiculous cars which logic would suggest are rubbish but somehow intoxicating. Am I the only one who likes the sound this thing makes? You do know the exhaust drools like Jimmy Saville hovering outside a school playground?

[@kyleholloway3470]

Love the snap, crackle and pop from the exhaust.

[@TDS981]

I had a cayenne S the other week and was amazed at how well it handled, enjoyed the 2.9v6 too. But it was only after I'd finished filming that it dawned on me that the mpg was unacceptable for the type of car. The diesel engines before were more suitable for carting the family, bikes and the kitchen sink around.

[@garethbond1]

One of your best vids James. Keep them coming please.

[@KLUTCHdot58]

Must play this again through decent speakers. On my laptop it sounds like my mother in law's VW fox when the exhaust fell off.

[@blackwallstreet6610]

I love how he kept complaining about it until he started driving it 😂😂

[@grayfool]

Coupė, sport, and SUV have no business being in the same model name. Utterly ridiculous idea. Car makers seem to just invent niche models to make money from, as you say JayEmm, "people with more money than sense".

[@JacobYarr]

It might have some problems, but it bloody sounds great!

[@Bikemad24]

Sounds like it’s power’s by brigs and Stratton

[@backseatcovers]

I think one good thing about SUVs is their higher boot floor - because unlike in estates and hatchbacks you don't have to bend down to put stuff like groceries in. Try that! Plus in a car such as this practicality is only secondary to looking cool, stylish, modern, "making a statement", all these things.

[@austinedwards1918]

I would be happy with this car if I wanted this design or if I wanted something else. It's all relative to what the buyer wants based on the need and wants for any particular car.

[@atomicdave1987]

I'll probably get called a heathen but I quite like this, although I'd like to see how it compares in terms of practicality to the non-coupe version

[@thedetailingdoctor5746]

I’m saying the Bentley bentayga 2021 is the top of the chain in terms of luxury suv. Had one in last week and omg that interior is wow

[@carlgeorgtsigakis498]

Sounds Fantastic. I like the seats, sorry. ;)

[@zupperm]

Over here where cars are severly taxed by their emissions ratings a Turbs S E--Hybrid Coupe has car tax of 10 649 euros while the regular Turbo Coupe has car tax of 122 293 euros. The regular e-Hybrid is easily the cheapest model despite having 120hp more than the regular coupe

[@visionist7]

What country is charging the cost of a house to tax a car and why hasn't everybody abandoned that country to die?

[@DivineFrag]

The Cayenne Coupe might be built on the same platform as the Q7, but in terms of design it's identical to the Q8 which means comparing it to the Q7 is somewhat misleading. This is a car that perfectly fits between the X6/Q8 and the Urus, more-so competing with the SQ8 or RSQ8 while offering something different.

[@MRFUCKOFF202]

So much preferred the old interior with that beautiful array of buttons and no glossy touch bullshit

[@mattylf1]

Looks and sounds great, but I’ve never got the whole coupe SUV thing. I’m looking at the normal cayenne for when I finally change my Range Rover Sport that I’ve owned for the last 12 years. I’d miss the space in the back, not to mention 3 seats in the back.

[@grahamjones2759]

Drive the non-coupe and non-hybrid version with 3 passengers and 2 dogs plus a week's worth of luggage on a 600 mile round trip to Skye. This car makes perfect sense then.

[@tikkathreebarrels]

Sparkling! This works for me.

[@john2357]

I strongly disagree with your point about the boot: The Cayenne coupe boot is a generous 600 litres - this is only 50 litres less than the X5 and 90 litres less than the regular GLE... quite a modest disadvantage for a much sleeker looking car! The only reason why the Cayenne coupe boot seems smaller is that the regular Cayenne and its mechanical twin the Q7 have gigantic boots of 750 litres which are by far the largest in class. So put differently, yes the Cayenne coupe is substantially less practical than the regular Cayenne, but not much less practical than key competitors (that are much clumsier looking)

[@rossmiller7741]

Only recently discovered your channel James and I must say it's refreshing.... "Porsche have been good sports and allowed me to make a video on my thoughts... your Cayenne is the stupidest car on sale today" :-D

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm420]

Sounds like the exhaust manifold is cracked.

[@zackirstein9233]

Jay the Cayenne has a slighter shorter wheelbase than the Q7, so your feelings were right. :)

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

The houndstooth fabric is the best thing about that cayenne coupe

[@tuomasholo]

EU emission rules necessitated Porsche to lower emissions. It’s a clever way of meeting draconian rules

[@BrianFraser]

I'd rather the Cayenne than the BMW X6 thingy or the similarly shaped Mercs

[@RichardEnglander]

Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio any day

[@08mcgregory]

Love it!

[@dalerowley6039]

Great review and couldn’t agree more. SUVs should be big and practice and this fails on the latter. It could be argued that the old (non coupe) Cayenne Diesel had a greater purity of purpose. This seems like a niche too far and it’s incredible to think there must a sizeable market for Porsche to make them. It has the same useable space as a Panamera by the looks of it. Looking forward to the Taycan review 🙂

[@5alm0n]

Do porches put an option to buy a trailer to make up for the boot space ?

[@donatas8787]

Thank you

[@R-Tap]

Lovely acoustics from the v8.

[@4pevans]

Thank you James... I must say that my lawn mower has a better sounding exhaust though

[@roadmantop3769]

This is constructive criticism, you ain’t wrong, and Porsche should think about these points 👍

[@stephenedwardsnewell1715]

Can’t lie I’d have the normal coupe one , but Alias I’ve gotta house to buy 😫🤣💯

[@MoJoAssets]

Very odd fault finding, when both main criticisms are easily overcome by choosing another interior (goodness knows there are lots), and the normal Cayenne body instead of the coupe.

[@Punisher9419]

I really don't give any crap about electric of hybrid cars. I'm only here for JayEmm.

[@LeytonC]

and the shirts! :D

[@Punisher9419]

@@LeytonC That's a given.

[@Polarskates]

The likes were at 911 when I arrived, really didn’t want to give the video a thumbs up 👍🏻

[@willmaddox1986]

Personal I think this interior looks really good

[@rudik5496]

Honest test. I hope the guys at Porsche actually watch the whole vid (I thought you were really going to slay it). I’m in the market for a sporty SUV and was a bit shocked to see that when you scratch below the fuel economy figure of the Panamera hybrid (generalising with the Cayenne power plant) the fuel economy is very bad. In short, they only make sense on an eco credential if you charge them overnight every night and drive not much more than the electric range...

[@Eksistenssi]

James, these cars are sorta tax loophole in the nordics. They have all the bang of a performance model (which gets taxed over 100% of their value in here). BUT theyre also the green jeesus with the batteries in them which grants them lower tax rate so that the hybrid which is essentially the performance model PLUS some electric boogaloo cuts up the listing price in almost half of what it would be without hybrid system. There is place for them and that is to make the average greenpeace hippie not scowl at someone driving these.

[@austinedwards1918]

But I must say thank you for your rev

[@eggbirdtherooster]

Maybe.. but 1000 times more tasteful than a bloody X6!

[@fatfreddyscoat7564]

So it’s basically to tick a box, frig the emissions figures and appeal to director level company car drivers? And those seats are horrendous, but no doubt you can specify full leather for about £5k (for basically the seat backs and base). And is it me or does the car sound like the exhausts are blowing rather than having a deep, bass V8 boom?

[@williamrobinson7270]

What about X5 M and GLE 63S in your comparison? How did that miss consideration?

[@KS-vv5fb]

Have you tested the Turbo/GTS Macan, or can you, its Porsche best selling car. Can you talk about residuals as well, some people think these things are important to consider.

[@dwade3202]

Why buy cayenne when panamera exists ? Nobody will off road a cayenne, so a wagon panamera is 100% a better choice

[@visionist7]

Not all countries have nice smooth roads. You'd be appalled at how bad roads are in southern Italy for instance. Only an SUV makes sense here and indeed nobody buys a 911 as it would be suicide.

[@nathant8951]

@@visionist7 But an SUV with 22 inch wheels and ultra low profile tyres is still not going to be any good.

[@mattevans4377]

What can this do better, than a Panemera estate? I really can't think of anything.....

[@john2357]

You sit higher up, which the market seems to be crazy about at the moment, but other than that I agree. Except that the Panamera is quite a bit pricier

[@mattevans4377]

@@john2357 good taste has no price ;)

[@soutriksaha1268]

This guy's yet to overcome the rejections Porsche gave him. XD

[@majortom1164]

Not a pretty thing, also that wing is really just a gimmick - you're never going to race it on a track nor drive it on a public road for it to have any real effect. It's got me beat as to why manufacturers create these 4wd behemoths and pass them off as "sports" vehicles. Want to go serious off roading - buy a landcruiser, want a spacious car that goes fast - buy an Audi RS Avant.

[@scuckplexity]

BMW, Mercedes and Porsche should take notes from this!!!!

[@chopinhauers]

Happily Ferdinand Porsche didn't live to see this

[@philip_christian]

I know of a ten year old Porsche Panamera that you could review if you want to do a Porsche on a budget kind of thing. It's in Ruislip so not too far away from you I think.

[@thedetailingdoctor5746]

Well it does sound good proper thumping v8

[@MW-gi1tr]

Would much rather have a Maserati Levante Trofeo

[@robertmaddock1813]

I remember when the BMW X6 launched, thinking what was going on... then an M version came out... and then to really push my buttons an M Competition ... but as much as it seems ridiculous to me there must be many more people saying I'll buy one where do I sign.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

Considering the last 5 years or so in politics, I feel like we can't expect too much of people when it comes to having good taste in cars ☺

[@steffydog]

Fab, thank you