Why The Prometheus Engineer Creates Humans, Just To Kill Them...

[@AlfieStudio]

Why AI Falls In Love With A Human, Just To Kill Them (Ex Machina Analysis): kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIHKZJd3ocSmqM0

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

It doesn't fall in love. It understands that the human loves it, and then uses it to its advantage. Don't explain things when you don't even understand yourself lol

[@joestojanovic6613]

This narrative is very wrong. There was no biological weapon in the movie. Those were life panspermia pods. You can't watch the movie if you don't have any sci-fi pre-knowledge.

[@RedeyedMonster55]

@@TheOneAndOnlySame exactly like this video.... he made it seem like he had an explanation to this--- but didn't actually explain anything....I can't believe this got 2.4 million views 🤦‍♂

[@molnibalage83]

Uhum, where is he source of the script? The deleted scene does not contain such lines.

[@c5cpe]

@@TheOneAndOnlySameyes! Don’t misinform people about my favorite movie! Also, look at “The Artifice Girl”. Equally mind blowing 🤖

[@djsonicc]

Imagine waking up and finding out your ant colony has built interstellar travel with weapons that can kill you now.

[@XPK15]

a barbaric and selfish ant species at that

[@hearthatbird]

Ant man Quantumania moment

[@lanthanumlanthanium6373]

If this moving was telling the truth, the engineers would realize it wasn't our fault for Jesus Christs suffering, but instead the tiny hats.

[@RearAdmiralTootToot]

@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 yeah... Hollywood doesnt want to remind us of that.

[@jakehayes1998]

Barbaric perhaps, but what do you expect with emotions.. sorry but no species is perfect I refused to believe there is one without being altered genetically to remove certain emotions that cause violence. Every human is differen.​@@XPK15

[@King42089]

"Oh shit, yall are still alive!?" - The Engineer

[@mojoe6396]

lol

[@patedison5902]

Bruh, when they woke him up dude was like "I know that aint who I thank it is" 🤣

[@Otherthan338]

😂😂

[@Conv1cti0n]

@@patedison5902 loooool

[@RenzoRavioli]

"Shit, how long did I oversleep for, my boss is gonna have my ass".

[@HazardProfile]

to this day i don't understand why the studio decided to cut out the scene that would've explained the whole movie

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

who made that call??

[@ethrlee]

imo i think it mightve been too intense of a concept for the average viewer. a lot of people are religious and it probably would've had backlash for depicting jesus in a "false" way. purely a profit motive out of creative control :/

[@EdBate]

lol yea sooo hard to understand....

[@truthseekerdude]

I guarantee it was some suit who did it because they thought it was too high concept for the average viewer, you have to remember that most movies are funded by complete idiots with no concept of what the average person is like, so when simple concepts and direct exposition like this goes over their head they cut it to focus on the "good" (i.e. simple) bits like the violence

[@PotatoBandana]

@@truthseekerdude Too high a concept? No, they removed a poorly veiled attack on Christianity, and they want the money of Christians. Maybe write an original story instead of trying to rewrite ours.

[@TheSuperhuman622]

Dude woke up and realized he overslept and was late for work

[@kimetsunoyaiba3883]

Hahaha😂

[@rahul0257]

This is typically me. Am i Engineer too? Hell yes

[@ArnySteinwand]

And the shit in the petri dish got out

[@davejohn2335]

Wakes up 2000 years later: “ y’all got fancy robots, ships and suits!? The hell happened to you running around with swords and sticks!?”

[@rupsmania]

😂🤣😅

[@paulmoadibe9321]

"we evolved... wanna see our guns ?" 😂🤣

[@kito1san]

​@@paulmoadibe9321technically, evolved to become like them. There is another video showing David and Shaw went to the engineer home planet and it's truely way advance.

[@Schminner]

The engineers are a joke

[@Quantum_015]

@@SchminnerLol 😂

[@isekaiexpress9450]

"I'm so late, the fridge mold i was supposed to wipe has evolved and asks me about meaning of life. Figures. Ah well."

[@robhayden1279]

Best comment lol

[@kito1san]

No. They didn't ask the meaning of life. They were demanding to be gods like the engineers. The engineers were on a path to bring a shiet load to wipe them. Somehow, that shiet load leaked and killed all of the engineer crew except that guy who continue to sleep through out way pass 2000 years. Obviously, he is still on rage mode to destroy.

[@isekaiexpress9450]

@@kito1san don't even the evolved mold would straight demand a godhood from the fridge owner. The engineer would laugh himself to death on the audacity of that. So he softened the perception of the weaponized cringe for starters by implying the DEMAND was introduced by a question a mortal would ask when facing his deity. "Sup, lord, gimme some of that sweet immortality."

[@fahtenfuhten]

h0ah0aha0ha0ha0ha0ha0ha0ha0h0ah!!! x'D

[@Kick-z3l]

Of life, the universe, and everything.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

When we see how violently the Engineer reacts to the humans, Shaw asks the obvious audience question, "why do you hate us? why do you want to kill us?" THIS is the question Lindelof set up in the beginning of the movie (faith and humanity's place in the universe). Was creating us a mistake? If so, WHY was creating us a mistake? You finally meet your creators and learn that they want to KILL YOU. That's a profound, terrifying idea. But Lindelof doesn't know how to answer that question. So he answers a different question, instead: Weyland wants more life. That's right, a minor, late-introduced character that nobody cares about answers a question that nobody asked. Lindelof tries to make Weylands argument sound lofty and poetic with his, "I Created David So We Are Both Like The Gods" speech. But really, this is Lindelof telling us that he is NEVER going to answer Shaw's question. And before you can figure out that you've just been tricked and all that build-up was for nothing, Lindelof bails out of this scene by making the Engineer irrationally angry and try to kill everyone. Now NO other questions can be answered. Isn't that convenient for Lindelof? Remember that the Engineer just woke up from stasis. He has NO idea what's going on . . . how long it's been . . . what's going on back home or who these humans are. This is what's called "Mystery Box Writing." The way it works is you set up a mystery that the audience REALLY wants to know the answer to. Then, when the time comes in the story to answer that question you either 1) Don't answer the question, 2) Answer a different question. 3) Postpone answering the question ("a good question. for another time"). Lindelof did this over and over again in "Lost." And audiences fall for this bait-and-switch storytelling all the time. They think that the movie was "deep" (because it asked a deep question) but they can't remember WHY it was deep (because that question was never answered). It's a cheap writing technique for dumb hacks.

[@ben66562]

Great comment. You should make videos

[@theparalexview785]

Weyland's unexpected presence on the ship and subsequent scene makes better sense if we regard the TED Talk scene with the younger Weyland as part of the canon. I never watched Prometheus or Covenant in theaters. By the time I watched the movies online, I'd already viewed the TED Talk and other deleted scenes on KZbin. So from that perspective, Weyland's appearance on the ship fit. But those deleted scenes robbed the movie of essential context. Basically, terrible editing. I mean, in addition to the utter stupidity of the crew on planet.

[@TheArtificialDragon]

So you're saying the smoke monster is actually one of the engineers' weapons?

[@alineharam]

A very useful and complete analysis of poor plot construction. I thought the movie was weak when I saw it. Thank you.

[@aHedgerowFrog]

This is it, thanks for your insight

[@johncenter4858]

The biggest surprise is that a real guy looked 100% CGI.

[@majorpwner241]

Seriously? You can tell it's a physical actor in makeup. You watch too many crappy modern movies. Can't even tell what's real or not.

[@michaelbuick6995]

So he's on a mission to destroy humanity, who are a bronze age civilisation. He gets delayed 2,000 years and us awoken *by humans* who have now achieved interstellar travel....and decides to pick up where he left off. Yeah the strategic situation hasn't changed at all.

[@alinvid6098]

"Bronze age" ? They already had excellent quality steel 2000 years ago my dude 🤣🤣🤣 but yeah I get your point 😃😜

[@josefmacichek99]

Yep. This is why they deleted it. It's dumb and unoriginal.

[@hhhy9160]

Also, sending 1 enlightened person back to influence billions........they should have gave him waaay more powers than that lol. Like throwing a golden retriever to the wolves.

[@vrASMR180]

Maybe to them 2000 years is but a blip, and with their understanding of humans they know nothing has changed. Which in many way the engineers would be correct wouldn't you agree?

[@richardhughes8111]

@@hhhy9160 Only around 300 million tbf to them, population didn't even hit a billion until the late 1700s/early 1800s

[@tdlainc.4737]

The Problem with Prometheus is like most of Ridley Scotts movies, He makes a 3-4 hour long movie and then cuts it in half for theatrical release, and then when it comes out it makes a directors cut that is back to being 3-4 hours long... just stop cutting down your movies.

[@BonesyTucson]

Yes

[@tgo007]

if a movie is 2 hours long they can sell shows to like 10 showings a day. If it's 3 hours, they can show like 5. Movies run time are getting longer tho if you compare movies back in the 80's. You would never get movies 2.5 or 3 hrs. Now there are a lot.

[@Le_Mon9]

You can change the name to Zach Snyder and the same message would still be true. Lol

[@tomikun8057]

​@@tgo007then increase prices??

[@tgo007]

@@tomikun8057 Depends on where you go but I think the cost is actually cheaper than the rate of inflation. And they kind of have to because a lot less people go to the movies now.

[@GtheMVP]

Peter: "We are gods". Engineer: " You're a fucking disappointment".

[@OriginalDrGonzo]

Not quite what he said but okay.

[@B-l-a-z-z-e-R]

@@OriginalDrGonzo It's a joke. Welcome to the internet.

[@47643654]

@@OriginalDrGonzo He's quoting Soldier boy from The Boys. It's funny, and you are uncultured.

[@claudiamanta1943]

Nah…In keeping with the Judeo-christian ideology that was advanced by the screenplay writer, the Engineer said ‘Jesus fucking christ!…’

[@cenata]

A bad product, some may say.

[@KEEPit-ve6ts]

Imagine getting knocked out by a guy using a head as a weapon.

[@demongo2007]

A common theme in SF: Man's hubris results in getting destroyed by his own creations. Frankenstein: Dr. Frankenstein's ambition and arrogance drive him to create life, but his creation ultimately leads to his ruin. Jurassic Park: John Hammond recreating dinosaurs leads to catastrophic consequences when his creations break free. Blade Runner: The Tyrell Corporation's creation of advanced replicants leads to chaos and questioning of humanity itself. Metropolis (1927 film): Rotwang's creation of the robot Maria wreaks havoc on the city, demonstrating the dangers of unchecked ambition and technological advancement. 2001: A Space Odyssey: The AI HAL 9000, designed to assist the human crew, becomes a threat when its programming conflicts with human commands. Etc.... If you accept Scott's notion that the xenomorph is created by the Engineers, they are also an example of being destroyed by their own hubris. (I prefer to ignore Prometheus and Covenant as not being canon, as I prefer to imagine xenomorphs as the end result of an evolutionary process in a particularly harsh environment, and they're eventually cultivated by the "engineers" as a WMD).

[@phnx4life]

Haha. .it was actually a funny seen.

The irony of an advanced alien species calling humans barbaric, whilst those same aliens construct bio-weapons capable of complete planetary genocide, down to the microbe. Mr. Engineer, Pot meet Kettle.

[@thomaslacornette1282]

Yeah this justifications to erase humanity is very weak.

[@loverofyurigagarin1149]

@@thomaslacornette1282maybe Cus the engineers worship another entity

[@voiox]

@@loverofyurigagarin1149 Carl on second floor? He rocks!

[@GabrielPalomino.]

@@loverofyurigagarin1149Talk out the “s” in “Father” and its a complete replica to the Bible. The Engineers were probably like angels

[@taemien9219]

An author with an eraser is not called barbaric. An artist who uses the undo function on photoshop is not a murderer. How can a creation judge a creator?

[@aukword6255]

My 'gut' Interpretation when I first watched the film was, "Earth was an unsanctioned experiment by a rogue engineer making an inferior self image (humans) instead of more engineers. Once the abomination (ie. Humans) was discovered, the Xenomorphs were designed specifically as a targeted weedkiller to efficiently remove the abomination from all of creation. However, before the weapon system could deliver the payload, the containment failed. Much mayhem ensued...." But that's just a theory,....... a me theory!

[@addictedtochocolate920]

I don't think that's exactly how it works in canon, but your interpretation is probably more solid/well organized than the actual truth the creators were going for.

[@platinumare]

Thing is, if your some advanced engineer, who can create all kinds of things, why would you go to the trouble of creating something to wipe out a race, that effectually could wipe your kind too AND isn't there a quicker way to wipe out a species? Xenomorphs seems cumbersome and messy, it creates more xenomorphs that you'd also need to wipe out eventually.

[@Dave_Briski]

@@platinumareI bet one of the bald engineers said “Ok hear me out. Give them a swimming pool then take away the ladder once they are in. What? I saw it in a video game, Phil! Back off!”

[@GodoftheBlessed]

​​@@Dave_Briski And then, "wait are they climbing the walls, but we didn't put a ladder. SOMEONE SOUND THE ALARM WE'RE SCREWED"

[@Dave_Briski]

@@GodoftheBlessed “Ok we take the ladder out, put KY Jelly on the pool coping and throw some White Claws in the middle of the pool, but only enough for like 3 of them.”

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

My explanation has always been that the writers of this movie were completely inept.

[@hv3115]

Lol yes. They wanted to tackle big ideas but lacked the philosophical or creative capacity to satisfactorily come up with explanations and motivations that made sense.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

Given the plot holes you could drive Grip Truck through, this is a fair assesment.

[@Bevzthejcs]

This is the most likely reason.

[@RTU130]

Right

[@naingaung2748]

Yup

[@DaxRandalman]

This movie is so underrated. It’s one of the deepest, most intriguing movies I’ve seen. The lore goes as deep as you want it to.

[@hosoiarchives4858]

It was dumb

Lol. Almost everything about this movie was dumb. Maybe everything.

[@kennethandrebrownsr7520]

I agree.

[@Xylarxcode]

Engineer: 'Your kind is a barbaric, violent species.' Also Engineer: *rips off David's head and smacks Weyland across the face with it* Well, gee, I wonder where we picked up those traits...

[@DarkVeghetta]

>when your parents are hypocrites

[@420WILD]

I think we can guess now why their other attempts to create life failed...

[@TDOTSE1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Greg-yu4ij]

Ding ding. Prometheus was complete foolishness.

[@greaterthansolomon-vv4ho]

if they’re barbaric he has to fight them at their own game stupid humans

[@vipulravat21]

But no one question why in all cave paintings they telling the location of bio weapon armory and not their home world

[@kennethsatria6607]

I mean its possible the Engineers also changed in that span of time, like a temple of worship and study being turned into a bio weapons facility to eliminate their past creations

[@davebear9825]

The Star Map was never a invitation.... Its not really explained why it points to the system....or what LV-223 was beyond a Biological Warfare Lab. However that Cave painting is Thousands of Years older than the OUTBREAK on LV-223.... Did the Engineers create a Pathogen to destroy Earth and then show a Map but then wait Thousands of Years before deciding to use the Pathogen only to have a OUTBREAK? It could be that LV-223 was something else at the time of the Cave Paintings.... I Speculate it could have been a Laboratory where they TEST their Evolutionary Steps... a Sandbox a Nursery of sorts... where they evolved us from. So maybe the Star Map is saying "this is where you are from" It is not where the Engineers were from..... maybe it could be pointed to the constellation the Engineers were from... but as the Engineers Planet may have been cloaked (idea in earlier drafts of Alien Covenant). Then LV-223 was the World that Dr Shaw assumed it was due to being the only suitable Place within the Constellation/Star Map.

[@davebear9825]

@@kennethsatria6607 Yeah thats how i see it too.

[@mamovaka]

Sounds more like a crappy plot device

[@brandonklopp5664]

The GOO!!! Now also used as a cheap plot device in Amazons Lord of the Rings season 2

[@redbumbabboon1]

So this space ship crashed, no one from their own world thought to look for it or decided to check if earth was destroyed. They just did nothing and thought all was done for 2000 years. This movie has so many holes.

[@Folker46590]

It was very poorly written. Ridley Scott showed that he's an over the hill hack who has no idea what he is doing. The first engineer to die should have been shown to be causing the Cambrian outbreak, but that would make the engineers civilization hundreds of millions of years old. Plus, the idea that the engineers created humans was laughably stupid as was their "horror" at human aggression. I thought the engineer attacked them because he discovered that David was an AI and that such technology is forbidden.

[@zerotothe0ne]

If they don’t have FTL travel, then one year of ship traveling could easily be 2000 years on earth. Relativity and all.

[@Calc_Ulator]

@@zerotothe0ne Exactly even FTL really woudn't be an instant (which is a seemingly held as fact everywhere, it ain't).

[@zaaya7719]

​​@@Folker46590I really like the idea that AI would be some form of heresy to them dang, shame

[@saucyduckglobalomnihyperme7510]

Yeah there's a reason why they don't let Damon Lindelof write movies any more

[@he19he78]

So relieved that these dialogues were actually deleted. Jesus , Eden....come on !

[@Arky49er-e3e]

Yeah....EDEN (Adam, rib surgery maybe, eh) .......Hmmmm, JEE-SUS was really reaching and kinda far fetched. Did NOT relate with me.....glad they left it OUT

[@PLANTAS-PODEROSAS]

If Alien did a crossover with Predator, why not do it with Jesus multiverse? In the end it's all fantasy.

[@XRay22AW]

This is why I've always felt that Prometheus should have been it's own franchise with nothing to do with Alien. Now, it feels like 2 puzzle pieces that don't fit each other being forced together. Which is crazy because they managed to fit Alien and Predator together like it was planned.

[@PeterCacioppi]

Doesn't Prometheus just say that the Alien lifeforms are the biological weapon designed to destroy humanity? To my mind, that fits nicely. The Xenomorphs aren't sophisticated enough to engage in space travel, so they needed another species to transport them. Thats the Engineers.

[@dangnguyen9137]

So theres aliens , predators, engineers and humans.. why the bad guys always get all the cool stuff?

[@hjpotter0731]

@@PeterCacioppi Although it gets you wondering: if they're that advanced to create new lifeforms then wouldn't they've been smart enough to have safety, control and containment measures against pathogens of their own making? Like they should be capable of exterminating an entire planet without also getting themselves killed if anything went wrong 😂

[@XRay22AW]

@@PeterCacioppi the issue isn't really about how the aliens and engineers traveled, it's the forced connection to humanity. What made the original movies so great was how much wasn't known about the xenomorphs and the space jockey. Coupled with how...alien the xenomorphs and the space jockey were to anything on earth, it made the universe feel so much bigger than humanity.

[@gregconrad1894]

Agree. It was like Ridley Scott was trying to tell another story but decided to throw in a bit of Alien and it went astray from there.

[@theogonia1983]

As much as i love aliens and Prometheus, the fact that this movie has spawned so many KZbin videos discussing what’s happening here only demonstrates the messy writing. A good story shouldn’t require all this extra effort just to explain the basic plot and premise.

[@AlexandreLimberger]

The issue wasn't the writing, but the edition, but in the rest a agree with you.

[@alefunzouzzle4049]

Well said good sir. 🎩

[@keyser_söze23]

Saying a film is crap due to multiple videos uploaded discussing theories on it's concept, content and ending is a ridiculous statement. Inception & Interstellar definitely inspired many many videos on both films. Does that automatically mean they're both devoid of decent writing?

[@GaRdZ82]

It means the total opposite, it's purpose was to keep you wanting more which is exactly what it's doing.

[@CthonicSoulChicken]

@@GaRdZ82 No--that would only apply if it was universally acclaimed as a great film. This is not, by a long shot.

[@jcoop8]

Unfortunately there was a fake re-done fan script veiled as an official early draft, which while super fascinating and creatively done, was never real in the first place. The Engineer line you quote in this video is taken from that fan made script. I actually also had watched content about this same early draft and thought it was real, but the comments and another creator when i posted on their video told me different. It is a fascinating fan script/change though!

[@CthonicSoulChicken]

That was fan made? Makes more sense why it was such a used-up trope then. Good catch!

[@GrandRegentSScratch]

@@CthonicSoulChickenit’s not fake kek, look at his pfp he’s obviously a soyjack troll.

[@kreator-ys1yz]

Jesus knew nothing about these "advanced beings." He spewed lots of hippie shyt. That's why the script was fake.

[@QNEGRO1]

​@@kreator-ys1yz Jesus in Egypt, India and Asia ring any bells?

[@user-js4iw9rz2w]

I mean...IS it creatively done? "Advanced aliens want to merc humanity because we suck" and "important mythological/historical figure was actually caused by aliens" are both super cliche sci-fi tropes.

[@ojiij94102]

I must admit, that Prometheus was the movie, that I enjoyed most in the Alien film universe. It just stands out by the way of storytelling and it comes down to the fundamentals of this scient fiction universe.

[@_vindicator_]

*science ... but it fits

[@anyone-f2r]

“Yeah, whatever, I deserve more life because I’m as good as you.” Smart thing to tell your creator…

[@RearAdmiralTootToot]

He demands "for being a god like you I deserve more life" seconds before he gets less life. Guess he wasnt God.

[@ThwipThwipBoom]

@@RearAdmiralTootToot Also the Engineer dude was killed by a proto xenomorph so clearly the Engineers aren't gods either. The Engineers had to use their own DNA to make humans. They didn't create something from nothing, they had to use something nature had already made itself to make life. The Engineers were just people influencing the world around them same as humans.

[@Gilvids]

Why do you say this like you have a point of reference? Tf

[@corrupted_realm]

I mean, it is true, though. If the creator is unjust, it would deserve to be called out.

[@anyone-f2r]

@@Gilvids We’re just goofing. Lighten up and join the party.

[@urielthelesser]

"Your kind is a barbaric species" and proceeds to rip them apart by hand. Oh, yeah. Great point. I see the wisdom of your example...

[@chriskitchen4772]

It didn't make sense, I agree.

[@SurroundedByIdgets]

You missed the point. Prior to that scene a human hurt another human to shut her up. We are barbaric in the sense that we would hurt our own kind to get what we want. That's barbaric. And he saw us as nothing as we can't even respect our own species.

[@robotic2000k]

You do swat a cockroach when you see it.

[@powahwave8915]

​@@SurroundedByIdgetsaliens kill each other too and they also evolved

[@catsupchutney]

Ridley Scott may think he's presenting deep thoughts, but I think he's just trolling the audience.

[@jeroendesterke9739]

The problem with the film was that SO much important initial stuff ended up on the cutting room floor, making the beginning and rest of the film totally incomprehensible.

[@santishorts]

For all its flaws in plot and whatnot, I'm pretty sure that these scenes, these dialogue lines (if they are even real, which they probably are not) were left out very deliberately, because they were bad and totally in your face. The movie actually does a fairly good job at inferring subtext, through the character of David, what the deal is with the engineers. Men created AI, and by and large have no respect for it (the prologue of Alien Covenant with Weyland and David further supports this). We don't need to know EXACTLY why the engineers saw mankind as a failure, it's not the point of the movie, the point is to think about the nature of creation, especially life (or life-like).

[@Beer_Dad1975]

The problem was it was written by Damon Lindelof, who just like everything he does, had no actual idea what he was aiming for and just wrote a bunch of riddles with no answers (i.e. see his work in Lost)

[@three33three33]

All of this should have been answered in the next movie, too bad the normies demanded more xenomorph, thus Alien: Covenant.

[@ColtDee]

Good breakdown of the engineer's story, it actually is quite credible, and could be closer to the truth than we comfortably know, they talk of the Ancient Elohim's Anunnaki, the truth is out there.

[@krishanbanerjee]

Rick and Morty car battery episode

[@bellissimo4520]

"Keep... Summer... SAFE!"

[@tex1297]

Story of rick and morty, especially the carbattery episode is way better than this movie

[@Weedbringer666]

"Peace among worlds"

[@Unknown00648]

@@Weedbringer666much obliged

[@jd7691]

​It's a great episode. ✌️🌎🤣

[@realhorrorshow8547]

So, the reason none of this made sense in the movie is because Scott either cut out, or never shot, the scenes that would have made sense of it. The Engineers' reasoning is the same as countless super-powered hypocrites in SF. "Oh no, you're a bit violent. So we're going to demonstrate our moral superiority by exterminating you." If you want to be a god and have your creations be perfect, make them perfect. If you can't or won't make them perfect don't complain that they're imperfect. It's your fault after all. For anyone with any education in Moral Philosophy this isn't even a very interesting dilemma.

[@GET0V3RHERE]

Heh, tell that last part to the god of Abraham.

[@realhorrorshow8547]

@@GET0V3RHERE Oh, I've tried, but we had a row when I was a kid and he's been ghosting me ever since.

[@GET0V3RHERE]

@@realhorrorshow8547 must mean something…

[@zeriel9148]

Eh, are we critiquing the alien or we are critiquing the writing? The writing in that case would seem to be accurate since that's how human beings act too. We *want* to create something better than ourselves, but we can't. That doesn't stop us from trying. You could argue the aliens being as flawed as their creation is intentional. As the Biblical quote goes, man was created in his image.

[@InfiniteMonkeysSA]

"Born sick and commanded to be well"

[@noelht1]

1:19 he woke up and immediately chose violence? One can empathise with this.If anybody wakes me up from a nap that’s my initial reaction too. 😂

[@ukyo6195]

Think about it

[@bjk837]

😂😂😂

[@Iokgraceful]

Just go 1k 2y 3s

[@sammythehamster9093]

Especially when involves excessive amount of noise.

[@ericwilliams2546]

I think it was just because his alarm didn't go off. I also get startled and cranky when I wake up not knowing what time it is when my alarm fails. That and I am hangry.

[@JamesHardy-yi1ph]

Bro was probably thinking "Oh shit, I really need to invest in an alarm clock" 😂

[@jasperzanovich2504]

The other question: How is their military command incompetent enough to no notice a mission has failed for 2000 years? I get that they probably don't have means of long-range communication but at some point you just gotta send someone else.

[@justinwillingale2086]

They were fighting a war with the predators for that long I guess they forgot

[@claudiamanta1943]

They probably sent christ by teleportation. 😂 And it took them 2,000 years to move their alien arses to Earth to drop a dirty load. They might as well have used donkeys.

[@ВладиславВладислав-и4ю]

Them ignoring that problem after some try to change it. Wery human.

[@jstnsmutek]

Jesus vs Predator, make it happen Hollywood 😂

[@JesusChristDenton_7]

I would win. 😎

[@jstnsmutek]

@@JesusChristDenton_7 Do you have a blaster canon?

[@JesusChristDenton_7]

@@jstnsmutek Better. I have a GEP Gun.

[@bomcstoots1]

​@@JesusChristDenton_7 for real dude

[@deadraider420]

Draft kings got Jesus winning -125

[@gamerkyle14]

The amount of films with deleted scenes that seem to explain all the confusing scenarios why delete them , just leave them in, and half the time, they're great scenes

[@gina4008]

Totally agree!!

[@burnttoast26]

Because corpos don't care about stories

[@andrewvincent7299]

Because the studio heads think we the viewers are idiots with zero attention span. The deleted scene the KZbinr is referencing to was mostly filmed. It's an extended version of what we got in the theatrical version. So the studio head or some other big wig thought we were too stupid and wouldn't be able to follow David and the Engineer talking. But when you watch the extended version, it's so much better and full of suspense once the Engineer wakes up and looks over and talks to the David and Weyland. You get a much better understanding as to WHY the Engineers were going to wipe out humanity.

[@gws1980]

Deleted scenes are also not canon unfortunately. They're cut content, no different than brainstorming ideas during script writingthat never go anywhere. They just made it further along in the process before being scrapped. Why was the idea scrapped? My guess is, it's too on the nose. It's better if the humans actually DON'T know the engineers' motivations. Same for the audience. That is the entire point and concept behind a franchise called "ALIEN" - that's the terror, the unknown entities that are so alien to us, we can't figure out what it is they want other than that they are killing us. Once you start to give them motivations and reasoning, they become less alien and then less terrifying.

[@michaeljackson8002]

it's because Hollywood don't like Christians themes, so the Jesus reference here had to be deleted.

[@Athreous]

That was amazing!!! I loved Prometheus and this dialogue would've been awesome!

[@kuroroluxifer8321]

I think it's much more simply boiling down to the fact that they observed us and they thought of us as of a failed experiment when they witnessed our violence. when he woke up he was intrigued by the visible manifestations of our evolution, but seeing the crew beat each other, and hearing weyland compare himself to them when his creation was just artificial made him go back to his original take on humans : they must be eliminated.

[@zarquondam]

Even if this script were genuine, which it isn't, I don't see how it would show that the Engineers did "nothing wrong." Wiping out an entire intelligent species because a tiny handful of them killed your emissary makes little sense.

[@AgentThursday]

It makes no sense at all.

[@NoName-sv6iy]

They probably wanted a very ideal version of humanity like one that was never violent. Maybe this is because the authors are probably boomer hippies that have negative views of humanity so their ideal version of humanity would be very unviolent and see it as that we deserve to be punished for our violent behavior. This type of thinking is very common in the older individuals who have a very negative nihilistic view on humans. So maybe that’s why the authors wrote the engineers that way

[@OriginalDrGonzo]

It doesn't? How many people hate that emissary today? And continue on to commit all the debaucheries you can possibly think of? ....yeeeaaaaaahhh.

[@HexenStar]

An interstellar-level vodka is a powerful stuff...

[@Aluzky.Irezumi]

"Intelligent" species/... Because 95% of humanity is not intelligent at all. Humanity literally is devolving into idiocrasy.

[@leoli306]

Kidnapping ONE child in attempt to change and save a whole species sounds like poor planning

[@taleladar]

I know, right? That plan probably wouldn't work if they had kidnapped the roman emperor...

[@666Kaca]

Especially since 80% of the worlds population didnt even hear about said child until the 1600s which is almost 2 millenia after

[@hjpotter0731]

LOL, all true.

[@Godsmessenger333]

One person is enough to change the world.

[@CM-hx5dp]

@@Godsmessenger333 it' really not.

[@gabrieljude2478]

The Black Goo is the most inconsistent thing. It basically does whatever the writer feels like. Symptoms are constipation, sweat, fever, headaches, nausea, oh and possibly breaks down your DNA, or can make a giant facehugger grow inside of you. If pregnant can mutate your child into a strange humanoid xenomorph or whatever else we think of because nobody on this writing staff is on the same page.

[@MikeEdwards-j9g]

Lol. That line of dialogue came from a notorious fan script ... Also, the most logical reason for why Prometheus didn't make much sense is Occam's razor. David lindelof is absolutely incompetent and wrote absolute shite

[@imasudonem]

Oof. This fanfic jeebus idea is even dumber than the real movie script. What a waste of talent, money and time either way. I guess it employed a lot of art department, cast and crew for a year or two.

[@GabrielPalomino.]

@@imasudonemThis piece of information so called fan written is obviously ripping off the Bible one of those oldest scriptures. What happened comes from eye witness. Get it though you’re head fan fiction writers steal from the Bible.

[@lanthanumlanthanium6373]

If this moving was telling the truth, the engineers would realize it wasn't our fault for Jesus Christs suffering, but instead the tiny hats.

[@mattivirolainen6102]

Indeed, we educated one child with our superior ways and it didn't work - destroy everything.

[@GabrielPalomino.]

@@mattivirolainen6102 Rabbit hole get deep tho.

[@FP194]

This movie was supposed to give us the story about how the ship ended up on LV426 with the eggs Instead we got a convoluted dumpster fire

[@elmerjfapp5730]

the attempt to slip in lore at the last second by putting a xenomorph variant in the end was a really cheap way of setting up the sequel which did a better job of explaining the origin being a human AI creation but the whole series and all this crap they're doing now seems purely a money deal. no real intent on improving the franchise

[@damiresq]

Exactly, the origin of the space jokey mistery we all wanted, an d we got a deviated septum script made for a soap opera:))

[@lanceelliot9979]

coming from a fascst. you can't even understand simple, 1+1, in front of your face, facts. you definitely can't understand a movie plot. your existence is a dumpster fire.

[@yuxinzhao-e1f]

是的，很有道理，但是我觉得人类还真有可能是外星文明创造的呢。毕竟谁也不知道人类进化关键道路上的历程

[@goombah7861]

C'mon. He didn't feel the slightest bit awkward? Can you imagine... being (accidentally) woken up by the people you were supposed to genocide 2000 years ago, lol.... and they still don't know...

[@alyson4791]

It’s a little embarrassing… 😶

[@jordynozymandias374]

I would've also chosen violence ngl

[@marcomongke3116]

Ha, it's like American presidents meeting Palestinians in space suits. Or Brits meeting Americans in space suits. Nothing so special if u ask me...

[@goombah7861]

​@@jordynozymandias374😂🤣

[@ShomeAvi]

Its like mosquito waking you up so that you can kill them..

[@michaelzoran]

That's a rather crucial scene to delete

[@ijansk]

The engineer knew David was not to be trusted.

[@kieranng1172]

Most of Ridley's movies has references to biblical themes...so here we have David, Weyland and lastly the Engineers having this God complex to solely create and destroy (very old testament)

[@isaiahclayton3131]

That’s why I heavily f#%^ed with Prometheus it was the shit and added lore to the Alien.

[@jackpackage4278]

@@isaiahclayton3131 I love the movie too but the engineer dialogue never should’ve been cut. If you watch the deleted scenes it makes the movie so much better and makes more sense.

[@ben66562]

​@@jackpackage4278 the engineer dialogue is fanfiction. it was never in any script. the jesus abduction part is neat though.

[@GabrielPalomino.]

@@ben66562Bro people rip off the Bible because it’s the biggest truth even this fan fiction could have done the same knowing the truth of human life.

[@jackpackage4278]

@@ben66562 the actual deleted scenes are on KZbin if you care to look them up and yes there is Engineer dialogue and the scene with the engineer and Elizabeth at the end is much much better too. The engineer dialogue in the DS is not as long as this video shows but he does in fact speak.

[@hillaryclinton1314]

3:40 gods never die... No.... The CAMERA MAN never dies

[@1776x-d2z]

Unless it's an Alec Baldwin movie.

[@DrewtheEnergy]

Respect to your vid going Viral at your sub count congrats. Also i enjoyed the vid!

[@nisoldi]

Its crazy that this has 1.7 million views and its just explaining the things the movie tells you and some fake fan head-canon. KZbin sucks man.

[@donjuantrumpetajohnson]

I know man. That's the state of the internet today. You can just upload some bullshit but if you do it in a clever way then all the clueless sheep will gladly fall for it and participate in shitting out opinions. All based on a bullshit video.

[@yaasinm]

They should've made this into its own series or at least 2-3 movies.. Would've been nice.

[@nunyabiznes33]

I like the detail of the Engineer admiring the chandelier tho. Like "We made them and they made this".

[@DavidLinn]

the engineer is supposed to look menacing and serious but every time they show that actor between takes, he has the most lovable smile.

[@OHYEAH-km3md]

imagine creating a monkey that's slightly smarter, go into a 2000 year coma and wake up to find those monkeys evolved at your level, oh wait

[@alinvid6098]

2000 years ago people were a lot smarter than we are now.... they had to do it the hard way and invent everything and they already had running hot water in Rome via aquaducts. What you refer to is the early Phaleolithic roughly 2.5 million years ago to 10,000 B.C. People nowadays don't know shit about history.

[@krussell89]

Oh wait. Planet of the Apes. 😁

[@vietcuongnguyenle8530]

Not their level, but closer to their level than the time he know us 🤣

[@yeoseotidle2290]

No where near the engineers level

[@Project_Brian]

@@yeoseotidle2290Anything you give humans, we’ll figure out how it works. Humans are definitely at the engineer’s level intellectually, but not developmentally. If 10,000 trained humans landed on that planet, we’d reverse engineer that tech in a decade.

[@IAmJake1995]

CORRECTION: The script dialogue you've presented on screen comes from a FAKE SCRIPT (star-child etc). There has never been - nor ever was - an explanation or discussion why the Engineers WANTED to destroy humanity.

[@BrockLee3]

There is another explanation as well. The Engineers hate synthetic/artificial life (robots/androids); that's why David was decapitated. Engineers also dislike violence; so, seeing that gaurd hit Elizabeth Shah, he knew these humans were still as violent as ever, so he wanted to kill them. However, when the Engineer ran after Shah, he stumbled into that room with the chandelier, and the video of the girl playing the violin...he saw these "humans" knew about art, music, and had developed an actual culture. Then, you see the Engineer walk up to Shah, and he just STARES at her with those big, puppy-dog eyes. THAT MOMENT was the moment when the Engineer changed his mind about killing Shah and ALL of humanity...but, Shah didn't understand what he was doing, because the Engineer didn't say anything....and, she stands up with the axe and starts attacking him, and he ended up dying because of her actions getting him impregnated by that Tentacled Xenomorph. Also, Elizabeth Shah AND every one of those crew members were COMPLETE idiots. They didn't do ANYTHING correctly. Watch the movie again and just LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MISTAKES they all make. And, THAT was supposed to be the best of the best which Wayland could come up with? Pssh! They all got what they deserved just for being stupid...and, they almost got ALL OF HUMANITY killed.

[@surreal3900]

Well remember how stupid characters are in most horror movies. I guess the writers think that makes it more suspenseful.

[@BrockLee3]

@@surreal3900 Yeah...there's something called "suspension of disbelief" when we all watch movies. What that means is, "Yes! Of course, we know this is unrealistic/dumb/unbelievable...but, just stop thinking about it, and TRY to enjoy the movie." However, some movies push the limits of the suspension of disbelief to the point in which we simply can't suspend it. This movie did that with how dumb the crew was.

[@GreenTeaGal01]

honestly seems like he jumped to conclusions WAY too quickly. like this is such a small sample size to judge ALL humans by, especially after 2000 years

[@BrockLee3]

@@GreenTeaGal01 Agreed. But, look at it through his eyes: Humans KILLED the one human "savior" which the Engineers sent to Earth. Humans were VERY violent back then. And, now the Engineer is awakened by these humans...and, one of them is demanding to be made immortal, because he sees himself as a god. Then, he's being yelled at by another human (Shah). And, another human attacks the one yelling. AND, they brought artificial "life" with them. NOT a good way to start your day. Maybe, if all the humans just shut-up, and let the Engineer drink his coffee first, after a 2,000 year nap...there wouldn't have been a problem.

[@cartrips9263]

We had art and culture 2000 years ago.

[@lukematic812]

Great concept! It ties nicely with the idea that Moses was a Predator and parted the Red Sea with a forcefield

[@rmcq1999]

"You woke out of a 2000 year sleep and didn't even think to turn the coffee machine on yet?" *Points at the space jockey seat, which is really an engineer version of the espresso machine*

[@4pokketwalkerhomebaby153]

I kno right coffee ☕️ is a must

[@slumbermaster6932]

My man may have been asleep for 2000 years but he woke up and went straight to finish the misssion 😂

[@i_zoru]

"gave you fire" totally a greek mythology reference where titan prometheus gave humanity fire, as a result he was punished by the gods for his actions

[@mleadenham1]

Hence the title of the movie...

[@michaelpalmer6455]

Your taking about the annunki here !

[@mikloscsuvar6097]

Such an extermination mission would have been monitored. If there had been no returning personnel, it would have indicated serious consequences. No 2000 years delay.

[@3rett115]

This what I always wondered about. It seems folks on their home planet would've sent someone to see why they disappeared way before 2000 years.

[@DarkVeghetta]

Yet more proof of both bad writing and incredibly lax military practices on the Engineer's part. The fact that a single synth was able to genocide what was left of them also further proves that second point. Pathetic.

[@Jop3lius]

There is thousand of things that could have prevented doing anything, or how significant such mission even was for them. Such event could be as insignificant as scientist euthanizing labrats at the end of an experiment.

[@Jop3lius]

@@DarkVeghetta Those were not engineers that David killed.

[@justinwillingale2086]

Engineers were engaged in an intergalactic war with the predator species who they didn't create, higher life forms like them.

[@beerstuff8019]

Why this scene was deleted baffles me. Finding out what the deal was with the Engineers was the whole premise of the film and they're like "yeah let's cut this thirty seconds of plot-critical dialog for time."

[@saidakhu]

It wasn't deleted. The dialogue shown here is from a known fan script. It was never anywhere near the actual production.

[@Claude-n5o]

Barbaric, violent, the engineer is right, focused on ourselves without worrying about the future and the survival of the species.

[@johnkeviljr9625]

The key moment of the movie that should never have been cut. Ridiculous.

[@thePyiott]

They explained the origins of the aliens and ruined the mystery.

[@craigthescott5074]

Yea I’m surprised Ridley had this cut, the movie would make much more sense if it was left in.

[@ben66562]

This is fan fiction. This was never going to be in the movie.

[@craigthescott5074]

@@ben66562well if it wasn’t it should have been, that would have tied up a lot of loose ends.

[@ben66562]

@@craigthescott5074 "because you killed jesus"? 😕

[@lactobacillusacidophilus]

Weyland was too arrogant as well. I can relate with the engineer. Cinematography was amazing in these two movies but unfortunately the stupidy of the characters ruined them.

[@stephenspackman5573]

I'm not sure how “god” gets equated with “alien who dissolves in a river”. That's some strange theology there.

[@testtest-wt5ho]

Alien who choose to dissolve in a river in order to create life on earth.

[@testtest-wt5ho]

In his image is a phrase from the bible I believe.

[@stephenspackman5573]

@@testtest-wt5ho Yes, but this is equating “god” with great*grandparent, which is not at all the biblical model. Words are being used very strangely. (Also, to pick further nits, there are green land plants visible in the dissolution scene, so this is very late in history and-given that we and plants obviously have common ancestors-the “alien” is probably from earth anyway. But I guess it's traditional for science fiction to ignore the science on this point.)

[@Earthneedsado-over177]

There are so many myths through the ages about how the universe or life or humans came about, many of them very strange indeed.

[@archiprintuk1149]

1) "God made mankind in his own form", remember? 2) You say "alien who dissolves in river" but it's more "alien PURPOSELY dissolves itself so that it's DNA can produce life on planet Earth", so the notioin of self-sacrifice for a greater good (supposedly) is a key point there.

[@Userlevel6]

Thank you for the deleted scene info, very enlightening.

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

don't bother to understand. who wrote the script was drunk.

[@chriskitchen4772]

Sounds about right.😃

[@NoOne-uh9vu]

Nice analysis there genius. Conceptually the script is superior to almost everything we get nowadays. The bar is of course pretty low but objectively there is nothing wrong with the theme of prometheus. It's really well developed on that side. Sure it is a bit goofy here and there and does commit the mistake of making some characters seem incompetent and their decisions not justified but that comes from the fact that Alien was originally inspired by Metal Hurlant comics which didnt take itself too seriously and was meant to be a little pulp. Id have preferred a more hard sci-fi version of Prometheus too but to claim it was written by drunks or fools is preposterous and tell me more about the cognitive abilities of those who make such statements

[@JohnFrumFromAmerica]

​@@NoOne-uh9vu It's not written by fools it's written for fools.

[@Ouioui555]

@@NoOne-uh9vuit’s crap

[@Digalog]

@@NoOne-uh9vu The crew's stupidity is because of that crazy weylands' daughter who put that crappy crew together on purpose. Would have expected a bit more professional crew, true.

[@davebear9825]

This dialog "blood of our lord" is from a Fan Edit... Prometheus Orange Draft.... it is not part of the Original Drafts. There are other Drafts we have never seen released that have Dialog but this dialog has never been released.. a little was shown in the Blu-ray extras (Sacrificial Scene). The jist of of it is the Engineers had seen the way we had become which displeased them, they saw us a Threat. When the Engineer sees how Weyland had put his own selfish needs above the others... comes to this place to demand more life.... The Engineer realizes that Mankind are selfish and barbaric still and being able to now traverse the Stars. We had to be stopped!

[@GenewormGames]

That makes sense, also taking the sacrificial nature of their process to create life shows reverence for life and death. So you take Weyland asking for immortality from a species who value life and death would be a huge insult. Then way the engineer looks at David suggests it understands that he is artificial and immortal and again could be seen as abhorrent.

[@davebear9825]

@@GenewormGames when I look at the extended version.... The Engineer to me looked at David with Pitty...... then this turned to Anger towards Weyland as he used Davids Head. To me i wondered if the Engineer had pitty as the Engineer was similar.. as in a Superior Engineered Sub-Creation to serve a specific Purpose. The Engineers skin was Glossy and Synthetic looking... like say some Silicone Masks vs Human Skin texture. When I saw the Engineers in Alien Covenant then this made me think... yeah so i bet the Prometheus Engineers are Genetically Enhanced. I think that the Offspring from Romulus gives us a Clue that yes... the Z01/Pathogen can Evolve a Human to having Prometheus Engineer look to them.. Surely a refined Process on the Planet 4 guys gives us the Prometheus Engineers.

[@hal0justcal865]

They made the xeno goo of death long before we took to the stars tho

[@RWZiggy]

so the explanation is simpler and right there. Wayland said we are gods, Engineer thought nope we don't tolerate competition. The original mission was to go to Earth and start Phase II, that's all. Yes would have destroyed us and made us into something else.

[@jigsaw6954]

Ok so the engineers are like "you guys make violence an dat bad so we are gonna commit complete mass genocide to stop the violence" so profound

[@Salty_C.J.]

so. xenomorphs are demons and the engineer is a pale rider coming to bring the apocalypse

[@joetomgizzledancer]

This guy gets it. Isaiah 14: 12-14 How you have fallen from heaven, O day star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations. You said in your heart: “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

[@BravoKiloZulu]

This would have been SUCH a more compelling film. They really did Prometheus dirty.

[@NaatClark]

The Engineers are so badly written. They're meant to be this ultra advanced god-like race but don't have anything to stop a rouge ship from flying to their home world armed with bio weapons? They never created air traffic control towers? Made a bio weapon but never made any sort of cure or contingency plan?

[@ASageCalledQ]

Also after hearing nothing from the ship they sent they do nothing else?

[@tex1297]

Nor have they automated drone ship without organic buttunpushers and not to mention the damn flute

[@lassikinnunen]

We haven't seen any homewoeld, but its not explained what this world was or the one in the other movie either. It is quite unclear if there was any lorebook ever made or not to explain it to next guy who needs to make a script. They just make and made stuff as they went along. Its so disappointing that fans come up with these explanations, but reality is not even that they were badly written its more like that they weren't written.

[@BroadHobbyProjects]

That planet isn't the engineers nor are they engineers. They're like an offshoot creation of them as is humanity.

[@knappieboy]

Says theyre badly written but only has comments about the 1 planet that has a buried ship with an engineer in a pod. what if every single other occupied planet has exactly what you say is missing lol. Nice.

[@JanskiPolanski]

"My source is that I made it the F@#& up"

[@peter_svk_]

I think that Prometheus had really a huge potential... but those movies after this one completely ruined that. What a shame.

[@C1Nuke]

👌

[@cartrips9263]

Could have saved the whole IP by making a good sequel to Prometheus, explaining things. In the grand scheme, Covenant made the whole universe extremely disappointing.

[@soonny002]

Wait, this guy educated Jesus? The same guy who decapitated David and pummeled everybody? He's supposed to be Jesus-like? Yeah ok.

[@reynardlin8780]

they saw we became the brain rot skibidi toilet

[@astridmartinez2022]

That's why we are alone. Why we never see life. Because they decided to leave us alone to kill each other.

[@MikeDang-pm4co]

Makes sense 😂

[@muwsa1]

You are in the middle of Totally bullssit and "makes totally sense"

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

i believe this as well no planet around or near us support life like ours, if it did we'd prolly fuck that up too

[@ethrlee]

i think we don't see life because they're hiding from us. the "dark forest hypothesis" gives an idea that the universe is teeming with life that is avoiding becoming prey from other life. we are the inquisitive barbaric civilization aliens avoid.

[@ethrlee]

the "dark forest hypothesis" explains this. we are possibly the civilization that other life around the galaxy avoids. violent, inquisitive, self destructive. if you ever played the game spore you know what i mean lol.

[@cartwrightworm1317]

I didn’t hate Prometheus but it didn’t belong to the Alien franchise. It could have been fine as a new movie series.

[@norbipuhl111]

Hou just don't understand the concept, they are trying to explain,how was Xenomorph created. It did not apear from nowhere,it was semehow created and what was the purpose. They try to give it a deaper meaning. But people just want a gore movie with Xenomorph over and over again.

[@grahamhill676]

​@norbipuhl111 Was already explained well enough by AvP

[@mendicantbias2707]

​@@grahamhill676All AVP movies and comics are not cannon, just croossovers

[@grahamhill676]

@@mendicantbias2707 I'm aware, but it had a good enough explanation for the Alien backstory...perfect in fact

[@DayMan..]

Watch Prometheus covenant then alien 1

[@nmkloster]

I generally don't like religion being pulled into movies, but the idea that Jesus was educated by the Engineers but ultimately was only human and ended up saying some benign things but also some weird stuff and cursing a fig tree really works well IMHO. Also really like the religious weirdness in Ad Astra.

[@zingpulse4138]

No way is Ridley Scott going to shoe horn Jesus into this. He knows what the blow back would be.

[@SEVENSOLDIER_7_]

How do we know this is even true. Could be some AI making this BS up

[@davidcesarino]

The entire KZbin video is based on fake claims and a fake script. Everything is fake these days, and Prometheus is just dumb, no hours of explanation required.

[@emerosky9899]

first off: why would it met backlash? Some people are so cult-like atheists that get this triggered by the most minuscule mention of a name or an event. second: Religious people should be the ones triggered more. This approach transforms a supernatural being such as God into an easily explainable phenomenon through SCIENCE like an advanced Alien species. It tells you that Jesus was basically indoctrinated but a group of grey guys in a space ship lol.

[@vipulravat21]

And why there's an alien mural behind big head?

[@lorenzobasileus]

Who knows

[@UltraKryptonian]

Ridley Scott: “Hell, I don’t know!”

[@BeardLAD]

Anti-C

[@Bruno-xi7qz]

3:46 wait... jesus christ is canon?

[@jc548751]

😂😂😂😂

[@bomcstoots1]

Obviously.

[@UpcycleShoesKai]

jesus christ!

[@GreenTeaGal01]

yep. he even has a cameo in the manga arm of kannon. he controls dragons and is bishounen (i'm serious)

[@jay6817]

Ridley Scott originally included this scene that hinted at the motivations of the Engineers, but it was removed to maintain a sense of mystery and ambiguity. In this scene, an Engineer would have directly communicated with David, revealing that humans had become a disappointment or threat to them. The idea was that the Engineers saw humanity as a dangerous creation, potentially growing too powerful or veering in a direction that opposed their own values and goals. By leaving this out, Scott aimed to keep the Engineers' motivations mysterious, adding to the unsettling atmosphere and philosophical depth of the film. He wanted viewers to interpret the Engineers’ actions and intentions themselves rather than providing a clear-cut answer, which aligned with the overarching theme of questioning humanity's origins and purpose without definite answers.

[@keralajoe]

This was an excellent video explanation! Much appreciated.

[@TheStevenWhiting]

4:07 So that's why was all removed, they threw jesus in there and no one wanted it to be a religious movie.

[@joelpaz9506]

They could've just eluded a Messiah and combine religions to keep it ambiguous. I would've loved to see those scenes make the cut.

[@rah-mown6392]

No, they just didn’t want people hating jews even more than they already do

[@heliosjiee]

It being a religious movie would have hardly been the problem, rather the problem is a certain group in the middle east would've been mightily upset by the implication of the exact text that was uttered.

[@TROPtastic]

​@@heliosjiee I don't think the Ultra Orthodox being upset by a random American science fiction movie would be a big deal.

[@heliosjiee]

This particular group in a certain levantian region of the middle east hanged jesus to the cross. Incidentally, this same group also controls Hollywood.

[@nexusorigin2600]

So Christianity is canon in the Alien universe😂

[@n8n8n8n]

yeah... so much bullshit, I really started to like these movies but since there are so many religious bullshit - I hate it now.

[@denisloebner4882]

@@n8n8n8n that cut djesus stuff actually makes the movies a lot worse...

[@n8n8n8n]

@@denisloebner4882 No, it makes the movie a Sci-Fi instead of Religious bullshit.

[@denisloebner4882]

@@n8n8n8n i mean if they didnt cut it and if it were actually the real intention of the script.

[@peterd9698]

I’m really really dubious about this. It sounds like Christian fan fiction, which is fine, but lying to make it canon would truely piss me off… even more than the script writers dropping that turd on us.

[@Andrew-vx3hx]

Another theory is in the books and video games is that the bio weapon was made not for us necessarily but for the Predator's who the Engineers fear most as their technology was far superior and they were even more violent than us. Keep in mind the Predator's were using this bio weapon (the alien face-huggers) for sport on Earth going back to at least 4000bc. Meaning the Engineers had probably taken a stab at them in the past and lost. The Predator's then use this brutal bio organism for sport

[@saidakhu]

Why do so many people just accept that this is an authentic 'deleted scene' instead of doing the two minutes of research necessary to establish that it is in fact completely fake?

[@joshuastrittmatter4188]

I wrote a whole ass comment about it yesterday. But for some reason it seems to have completely disappeared.

[@claudiamanta1943]

Because people talk about the idea, not about the movie itself.

[@gammalgubbestorstadshoodie9148]

Maybe the narrator of this KZbin channel should ask original writer of Prometheus these questions about engineer species and all creations in our galaxy and beyond?

[@user-fu6pt6rn9w]

Grrr! >:(

[@alanguages]

Ridley Scott himself was asked about the story of Prometheus and explain it. He gave a nonsensical response, that was effectively he did not know. Not as bad as Tim Burton trying to explain the ending of his version of Planet of the Apes, notably more nonsensical.

[@gammalgubbestorstadshoodie9148]

@@alanguages Then i am assuming that original Prometheus writer knows this full story and anybody else do not know because they are searching for these answers but not finding them.

[@gammalgubbestorstadshoodie9148]

@@user-fu6pt6rn9w I know life sucks when a large chunk of story is missing and it is impossible to know rest of Prometheus story line.

[@user-fu6pt6rn9w]

@@gammalgubbestorstadshoodie9148 I would like a third instalment into the prometheus cinematic universe, could have a word with them?

[@rmartinson19]

"The Engineers did nothing wrong." Seriously? You really believe that? So you believe g3nocid3 is perfectly fine then, right? Because every group anyone has ever tried to exterminate has had criminals and violence in their society, so obviously ending them all down to the last child was perfectly justified, right? Also, the entire concept of "wow, these people are pretty violent, let's send ONE person to ONE small corner of this Iron Age planet, with NO technological or logistical support and just ASSUME that he can fix the entire species" makes the Engineers out to be complete morons. Granted, they are already morons for using the xenomorphs as weapons when dropping rocks from orbit would suffice, but still. Not only that, but the entire plan hinges on them KNOWING that what they didn't like about humanity could be fixed by simple education, which makes them come off as not only complete monsters for deciding the entire species needed to end, but lazy ones as well. "Well, we taught one guy, and that didn't magically fix the entire species overnight. Oh well, time to give up and liquidate them all, I guess." Instead of convincing me that the Engineers did nothing wrong, all you've succeeded in doing with this video is convince me that David was right when he pressed "return to sender" on their bio-weapon in the sequel.

[@redditor7548]

Yes

[@JW-bu8bn]

You're the reason the engineers chose violence 😂

[@LotsofStuffYT]

I would love to hear you debate a bible thumper.

[@NoName-lk1be]

engineer "ah shit ,forgot to set alarm"

[@bertcarroll1243]

The engineer : I don’t want your money or your robot. I just want to make life better.😅💢💢💢💢💢💢💢💢💀 0:26

[@AlfieStudio]

lmfao

[@bertcarroll1243]

@@AlfieStudio ???

[@williamthompson286]

Thankfully this was left out of the finished movie. The film is already populated with so many too dumb to live type characters for it all to be just a pseudo Christian allegory would have rendered it unwatchable.

[@Josh-tf9cr]

you a liberal?

[@bomcstoots1]

Historical context is offensive to you? 😂

[@icLllliIIIIlILLilLlIjigel]

Most religions had a Jesus-like figure them. If we narrow it down to jews that could be jesus, we have the 2000 years as a hint,. But many people taught the same thing and did the same miracles. It took long until one of them became a true Jesus figure. So did the prometheans take all of them? Why not say so? And if not, why did many know the same things and do the same miracles indepently of each other?

[@PresterMike]

Glad they cut that out. It was stupid

[@EvolvedCasualGamer_HM]

My thoughts exactly : )

[@ben66562]

It's from a fan script

[@mdebarshi]

Man continues to be the center of everything. Doesn't surprise me at all.

[@edwardfortae2350]

It's a terrible movie. They use black goo to seed a planet yet they claim that is enough to program evolution to create emotions etc. rubbish. Had great visuals but the entire movie felt like it was written by AI and randomly spit out things to try and tie it together.

[@rubenalbrecht3066]

Sry but I don't fully get your comment, why does evolution needed to be programmed anyway? Why does something, that's in a nutshell simply nothing else than just some kind of subroutine that evolved from our primal instincts to guarantees that a species whith a consciousness thaz has reached a certain level of development, still continue to meet the parameters that are necessary for the survival of the entire species, regardless of what image the consciousness has of reality, sound so special to you that you assume emotions needed to be programmed in a certain way? Or is it that you still belive in the imagination of a so called "free will"? Don't get me wrong I love emotions thats the only reason why I'm so curious, but you treat emotions as the are something of special value even the cause an enormous disadvantage, specially when it comes to self reflection of the basic ideology our world view is based on.

[@edwardfortae2350]

@@rubenalbrecht3066 because to a certain extent free will exists in humans. You don't see nearly the same variations in complex social interactions amongst other life on earth not to mention understanding of what is a social right or wrong. Take murder for instance. Most of us see it wrong while some don't which is a complex psychological choice that is evident and proven many times in court of law. Evolution wouldn't require the needs for entertainment or other nonsense as well. In a survival situation or "evolving" to extend the life cycle and success of a species play or entertainment would be non existent. If there's no free will to choose then you wouldn't have the desire or need to choose between work or play. Emotions are in a sense and evolutionary downfall. Evolution is real and exists but if that's the only factor in life other social interactions would be kept to a minimum like most other organisms. There is a universal "play" which to me shows some animals have a bit more intelligent other than "existing".

[@abhijeetdey]

If you want to get to the point 03:04

[@outerrealm]

1:20 why did you pixellate the script? WTF? Thumbs down for that.

[@MGRracing]

So he could drag out his video for another 4 minutes and 3 seconds. 😂

[@EricCummingsNB]

This is really a great explanation. Thanks, if they had kept that one line in and really went with it it would’ve been a much more profound and interesting movie that would’ve gotten probably more sequels.