Why the Star Wars Sequels Will Never Age Like the Prequels

[@lordmango6060]

The sequels had no cohesive vision and no world building. The prequels had that and more in spades. A visionary's dream vs corporate shlop

[@TrooperTalks]

The only good thing about the sequels were the cinematics

[@Tyler_Frenzy]

@@TrooperTalks The only thing I remember of that is the red guard vs Rey and Kylo where the choreography is the equivalent of fighting God while you're tripping balls on dmt

[@vardiganxpl1698]

Plus they got a kickass show, in the form of the Clone Wars, did the sequels ever spawned such a kind of medium? I mean, they only real one they got was a niche show known as "Resistance" But that is mostly it, any other spin off media that Disney made since the start of the Sequel era is just...more content for both The Original and Prequel trilogys, especially more for the Prequel trilogy, we had more engaging characters and lore from the past 2 eras than the sequel combined. So like, Yeah, if anything, the Sequel's sort of content were more or less treated as side content in it's own era, whilst more was done on the previous 2

[@davidtimmer596]

@@vardiganxpl1698 And 2 equally kickass D&D RPGs in the form of Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2.

[@KristopherPrime]

@@TrooperTalksand just because something is flashy doesn’t make it good. The prequels had good lessons, storytelling, AND were visually stunning!

[@hrickdas1022]

If there's one thing the Prequel Trilogy does even better than the Original Trilogy, it is Galaxy-building. The Prequels give us a glimpse of just how beautiful and vibrant the Republic was before the Sith corrupted and destroyed it all.

[@JasareVids]

In my opinion, another thing that the Prequels did better than the Originals were the politics. I think that the Prequels did a really awesome job showing its audience how a republic becomes a dictatorship.

[@Animefan-uk8pw]

Well yeah to an extent but it was also filled with corruption before the sith. They didn't corrupt the Republic, they took advantage of the already corrupt Republic and used it to their advantage.

[@dancingvalkyrie]

Too bad the writing is still trash

[@Animefan-uk8pw]

@@hrickdas1022 wait what the heck happened to my original comment here? I didn't even say anything offensive or anything like that. I was just reiterating some stuff about the Republic and the sith. I'm starting to think KZbin just hates me. Even just making valid points and explaining the themes of my favorite movies and shows is a good enough reason to take my comments down? Man I'm starting to think KZbin is being run by a bunch of monkeys

[@luisvelez1952]

I loved Coruscant and Naboo there were well designed and the atmosphere feeling like they were filmed in New York and Florida

[@chaoticfangurl567]

For rey being the main protagonist in the sequels there’s no investment built into her character. She hardly struggles, is cocky and overpowered. She also didn’t need to suddenly be palpatine’s granddaughter coming from a powerful lineage. It would have been more impactful if she had stayed as rey from nowhere and made something of herself

[@TrooperTalks]

Completely agree, characters need to have flaws in order for the audience to relate

[@dodywidodo9433]

The worst part is she claim Skywalker 🤣🤣

[@chaoticfangurl567]

@@dodywidodo9433 yeah, I don't know what that was about. She basically stole a legacy that didn't belong to her

[@Steroyd666]

It could have worked her being Palpatine's granddaughter, it would go some way to explaining how she went from not knowing what the force was to overpowering Kylo's mind read within a literal day, the problem is because there was no building her character, instead of owning that she's Palpatine and make it her lifes mission to do good in the galaxy to erase the bad her namesake did (Which would have earned respect points from the audience). Instead she told herself she was a Skywalker because... someone made a fan theory online? There's no fertile ground to build stories off the sequel trilogy, what stories could be made? How Han Solo regressed back to the start of A New Hope? Why Luke turned his lightsaber on his sleeping nephew or why Leia failed to become a Jedi? All they can feasibly make is how Rey succeeded at what Luke failed to do at the end of Return of Jedi.

[@marcoa.camacho1288]

Rey just sucks

[@purplemicrodot58]

The dead don't age, only decompose.

[@memebrain2177]

And forgotten

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Simple answer, the Prequels were written by a single guy with a specific vision, plan and most importantly, a love and passion for the story and characters of the world with an intent to make a story for audiences. The Sequels were three random movies, written by different people with no cohesive plan or plot, that didn't even passingly respect the source material and were made to lecture the audience.

[@thewewguy8t88]

The prequels were made by a guy who just did whatever he wanted. Like it honestly felt like he wanted to create a soap opera, a Saturday morning cartoon and a video game that you can't play all in one. Like that's what the prequels feel like esaplically episode 3.

[@ohwow2074]

No one could describe the sequels like you did. Brilliant 👌🏻

[@Only_vibez_]

Yeah,I enjoyed the sequels still but I think the fact that there were different directors really screwed in up,tfa was excellent and was a really good start,in my top 3,last Jedi was fine,I liked it a lot,rise of skywalker was ok but pretty bad. I think they should’ve had more palpatine explained. I thought the characters were chef kisses,but the fact they made too many and with the OG characters,we’ll just luke leis and Han and how they ruined them maybe except leia.but I thought adding Lando was good,but the whole thing with poes gf,whoever Finn’s love interest was in the second and how they barley had her in the third movie.

[@thewewguy8t88]

@@ohwow2074 right so a movie that is a Saturday morning cartoon for half an hour that has little to nothing to do with the rest of the movie that then becomes soap opera that is building up to 2 video game boss fights you can't control.( There is another "boss" fight you can't control mixed in the middle of the soap opera but it ends so anticlimactic and has little impact on the rest of the movie) Also it introduces a character in a horrible way as I have no clue who general gevries is other then he is now apparently the leader of the separates or something like that. Btw everything I am describing is from episode 3. Also I don't care about the cartoons and or books that introduce him and "flesh him out" but my point is you would rather then then a straight forward entraining adventure that continues the story.

[@sameersheriff7078]

Yet had potential though especialy kylo wasnt that bad at least in force wakens but after that the next two movies ruined everything !!!

[@Mgauge]

The sequels just don't have anything to build off of. The prequels gave us an entirely new setting with potentially hundreds of new characters to work with. The sequels actively tear down the setting and replace it with nothing. Their new characters don't have consistent personalities or motivations between individual movies much less any depth to explore. The writing of the sequels was so shallow and shoddy that they're still trying go add in retcons to justify them to this day. There isn't anything they have established to built future works on.

[@sameersheriff7078]

it was actually had some expectations like how post empire world would look like with luke,leia and how republic would be like after vader is defeated but none of those was actually focussed on but rather thowup mary sue nonsense and butcher all those previously admired characters !!!

[@Lastjustice]

There was no plan or goal for this trilogy as they went along burning everything down, but never planning what came after that. There was a rise and fall between each trilogy. This tries do both at the same time for both sides and it just ends with a galaxy of destruction. They just made it up as they went along, but they weren't like George Lucas who didn't know if he'd get to complete his story, and was only done from one person's vision. This was a billionaire company who can pay the best writers in the world to plan it all out well in advance, and they had NOTHING. This failure of the highest order. They kept changing ideas with each film, and then left themselves with nothing to build up by the time episode 9 came out as the Last Jedi nuked all the potential story directions it could go in. It's like if you hired 3 crews to build each floor of a building, and the second crew said, we will have a building with no walls and ceiling because no one will expect that and blew it up, and still expected the 3rd crew to put another floor and roof on it. That's the sequel trilogy.

[@collegeman1988]

The 6 Star Wars movies George Lucas made were about the birth, life and death of the Sith, which is the conflict that drove the entire series. And as with all great stories, once the conflict was resolved, the story was over. Here is the best explanation I can come up with why the Disney sequels and other films will quickly be forgotten. George Lucas gave Kathleen Kennedy the story treatments for a sequel trilogy, but as we know, those story treatments were thrown into the trash as soon as GL left the building. KK and company wrecked Star Wars because they had no interest in Star Wars, which also meant they didn’t know what the Star Wars galaxy was all about, or how it worked.

[@maxeisenhardt8800]

TFA was released 10 years after ROTS, and by then the prequel trilogy was already fondly remembered. We're only one year and a half away from TFA's 10th anniversary and... yeah. It's clear that the sequels aren't aging the same way as the prequels.

[@nathanyessler1509]

When the Prequels came out, it was a Star Wars Renaissance. The Multimedia projects produced a lot of games, comics, and novels, along with toys. What memorable games came out for or during the Sequels? Between Episodes I-III, we got Battlefront, Republic Commando, Knights of the Old Republic, Jedi Academy, etc. There was always something coming out, and most of those pieces of media hold up incredibly well. The "hate" for the Prequels first came from movie critics, and then KZbin channels 2007 onward. Much of the criticism could be justified (script issues, direction, etc.), but that didn't take away from people's enjoyment of the films. The Sequels don't have anything like that, and there are no younger fans of them. There's next to no media to get into for them. When the Prequels were coming out, there were dozens upon dozens of stories set during the Prequels, the Originals, and even the Old Republic era. It just isn't the same, and Disney Lucasfilm's mishandling of the franchise has lead to its ruin for new projects.

[@LifeofSquidMann]

The Prequels had a clear cut goal: Expand the mythos, show the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, and give the next generation of SW fans their own movies. Because the Sequels had no unifying vision, they flip-flopped between pandering to embittered first-gen fans and nihilistic, pseudointellectual deconstruction for and possibly by people who thought Empire was the only actually good SW movie.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

I do think Anakin should've been more of a snarky little sh*t, like John Connor. Instead if a "Golly-gee willikers, shucks". Being as he's a slave, and all. But, I can see where Lucas was going.

[@Toshiro93]

The sequels will never age like the prequels, for the simple reason that they have nothing to offer: they have no worldbuilding, they have no characters. They do not have a history that can be called their own, they do not have, above all, their own identity and they are not the product of a passion behind them that supports them. The only reason why we're still talking about it is because Disney doesn't want to let go of these three mistakes (despite the fact that they made money), doesn't want to understand how to fix it and doesn't want to aim to make a trilogy - not a TV series, but three films - about the wars between the jedi and the sith.

[@king_supreme1102]

Except that they do. They have good characters, even some good characterization in some places. They do have “history”. Just because you don’t like what they did doesn’t mean it isn’t added history. I get it, I think it’s a bad trilogy too. But some people hate them so much that they start acting as if it was a catastrophe every second along the way. There is absolutely a way the sequels will get better with age. Episode 9 will never fully get redemption because it’s just bad. But currently we are gaslighting ourselves into thinking that TFA wasn’t a huge crowd pleaser. That half of the fanbase wasn’t saying TLJ is one of the great Star Wars movies. The fanbase was on board at least part of the way through. And the people that like those movies didn’t all die. They’re still there. Just drowned out by all the hate. Positive sequels takes will surface once it becomes a cool contrarian thing. Then all the people who actually liked some of what they did will come out of the woodwork and add onto the snowball. As much as it fails as a complete trilogy, every single one of them are technically better films than all of the prequels. And that’s another thing nobody talks about. Yes people really like the prequels now. But they’re still poorly executed. Sorry not sorry. They may have redeeming qualities that people love. But the sequels have qualities about them too that are better than the prequels. Like I said, they’re all better on a technical level in many categories. Acting, directing, editing, special effects. In many film making aspects they are far superior. Now, the fans don’t care about that clearly. They care about the plot. But we act as if the sequels were the worst things ever made in every way. And they weren’t.

[@Toshiro93]

@@king_supreme1102 Personal tastes aside, and wanting to be totally objective...no. I absolutely don't agree. The prequels have tons of flaws and the fact that they were only re-evaluated with the advent of the sequel trilogy is an urban legend, given that there is a generation, like mine (born in 1993) who also grew up with the prequels. I, for my part, appreciated the prequels, and I will never deny it...however, since I started watching the films in a more critical way, I have always been aware of all those narrative flaws that are present, and so does Clone Wars - although it has become a much-loved series, and some of its merits are recognised - falls flat when you want to make it fit within Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. The sequels have no coherent story, and it's undeniable: the characters from the original trilogy are made failures, everything they did has gone down the drain. The republic does not have a regular army, despite having emerged from twenty years of armed struggle against the Empire. The latter was able to build a third, even bigger death star, without the economic support that the empire enjoyed after the clone wars, and without anyone realizing it. The new characters are bland: the only one who could say something interesting, Poe, had no chance to shine, not even during a space duel with Kylo Ren. Snoke is, literally, a joke: in the first film we absolutely don't know who he is, in the second he is taken out like nothing (despite the fact that he was so powerful as to block Rey... and the latter, shortly after, lifts an entire mountain), while in the thirdly we discover that he was a puppet of the revived Palpatine... I accept such nonsense from a fanfiction written by a child, not from a millionaire production. Did they want to propose new characters? Make them sense: Rey is very powerful without receiving any training before the period between TLJ and RoS. Finn could say something, but they just made him a comic relief. Luke was made to become disillusioned...are we talking about the same Luke who saw the remaining good in his father, and brought him out of 20 years of darkness and hatred? I regret the 10 euros I spent on The Force Awakens at the time, fortunately I didn't give anything to Lucasfilm. I'm sorry, but this trilogy doesn't deserve re-evaluations: I may be too cynical, but my opinion, even almost 10 years after the start of this series, hasn't changed. Then wanting to nitpick... are there any themes from the soundtracks of the sequels that are interesting? Perhaps the only one is Kylo's, the rest are either recycled music from previous films, or terribly subdued musical themes... as if even Wiliams didn't know how to draw something important from these characters and from the plot more generally. Having said that, I don't force anyone to change their mind about the sequels: everyone is free to think as they want, and I respect the opinions of those who think they will be reevaluated. Only, I think it won't be like that.

[@thealexgundam5006]

​@@king_supreme1102 All will say after the tlj, I more or less lost interest with star wars only thanks to going back to clone wars/ bb/ mando did I go back to it.

[@king_supreme1102]

@@Toshiro93 I agree with all of your sequels criticisms. But my point is that we do know how the future will unfold. Or the paths that the sequels will take. I think there are many possible ways for the sequels to age better, eventually. Flaws and all. It won’t happen exactly the way the prequels did it. But I believe it will happen. The fanbase is actively trying to act like that isn’t a possibility at all because the movies are so bad. But it is a possibility. And the public + majority of the fan base thought the prequels were “so bad” at one point also. I mean 10+ years ago if you said anything positive about the prequels online you had to preface it with “yes they’re bad movies, but”. And slowly the hate just faded away. And fans (mostly Gen Z fans) then began to spew nothing but love for the prequel era on the internet. Which changed the prequel narrative for good. I really don’t think it’s impossible for something akin to that happening to the sequels.

[@Toshiro93]

@@king_supreme1102 Not to want to be a naysayer at all costs, I will simply provide my impression on the matter, thanking you for providing yours in a calm manner (which is not so obvious). However, I don't think that the sequels will age like the prequels, being reevaluated, for the simple fact that the prequels, despite their defects and having to submit to many narrative constraints, have enriched the world of star wars: how many comic series on the wars of clones, how many novels (both film adaptations and original works) were set during that period? Not to mention the rest of the merchandising: collectible cards, video games, Lego sets, action figures. But the appreciation for these products didn't come out of nowhere: sure, the child you bought the toy for might not have liked Attack of the Clones, but he still played with the clone soldier or the puppet-sized Jedi. But the interest in exploring the rest of the world of SW arose only if the films knew how to arouse interest: and the sequels, even if we wanted to be generous, struggled a lot to show something intriguing on the narrative side. Basically, everything that was shown in those three films is a copy of what was seen in the original trilogy, only with buckets of Marvel-style irony: the sequel trilogy was unable to bring something of its own, something that goes beyond its own defects and can be defined as valid to recover. For example, if Grievous as a character was a disappointment in Revenge of the Sith, he was instead a calamity in the 2d Clone Wars series. If Kylo Ren was a difficult character to frame in TFA, he also remains so in the other products that concern him. Above all, despite simple plots and characters lacking depth, the prequels at least wanted to be creative in terms of many designs, while not going too far from those seen in the original trilogy. In the sequels, they wanted to choose a path so safe and risk-free that it didn't contribute, in my opinion, anything that could stand on its own.

[@mobgabriel1767]

Its been 9 years since TFA and the sequels still are hated XD

[@v4v819]

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Give it time, young padawan... 😄

[@BlueHooloovoo]

Nine years after Phantom Menace the prequels were still hated.

[@maitrefromage7474]

I'll always remember the sequels as the movies that alienated an entire fanbase and the film makers somehow thought it would be a great idea to gaslight their audience into thinking that they were racists and sexists for disliking them.

[@antonyak7001]

The Prequels gave the Star Wars world more depth. It felt more interesting, more intriguing and more immersive. You dive deeper into that world and its lore. The sequels felt bland and didn't really add much.

[@MosestheDark]

I think the biggest difference is despite the flawed writing and direction, fans understood the vision the prequels was trying to accomplish. We understood the goal. I honestly can't tell you what the goal or purpose of the sequels was. Like in the grand scheme of the saga, what was the point of the sequels?

[@silentecho92able]

The fact that the line "NOW! THIS IS PODRACING!" or "Mesa Jar Jar Binks" are more memorable moments in lines and moments then anything the Sequel series has given us. Besides pain and sheer loathing for what Disney has done to a beloved franchise.

[@mercatorjubio3804]

pain and sheer loathing - that exactly describes it.

[@Rabidconscience]

1:00 you hit it dead on the nail. The prequels had reverence for the originals, the sequels had disgust for the originals.

[@krta1773]

They just don't have the rewatchability of the Prequels. the sequels just instinctively do not feel like Star Wars. They're more like a came and went sort of thing.

[@ohwow2074]

There's absolutely no rewatching the sequels. They're so boring.

[@v4v819]

MUHAHAHAHAH... Give it time young padawan... The kids will grow up and look back fondly at them just like your generation did for the prequels and your parents generation did for the original trilogy... 😊

[@krta1773]

@@v4v819 I've heard that said before but I'm not sure that's the case. The sequel have no charm or any quotable lines, and those are the things that make a movie timeless. You can quote any Prequel line and many people would get the reference - try quoting something from the sequels though, nobody would get it. And with the amount of movies and shows these days, people will be looking back fondly at like 50 other movies before they even remember the sequels existed. They just didn't cement themselves the same way the prequels did, on the contrary, they made Star Wars actually irrelevant, so they basically broke that generational cycle that existed with the first two trilogies.

[@addex1236]

​@@v4v819look we get it you work for Disney but the people are talking so shut up

[@addex1236]

​@v4v819 first of all what kind of freak actually calls someone a Padawan second of all oh my god we get it you work for Disney please stop talking

[@kevingluys3063]

If I had a nickel for every time a corporation took over a beloved series and decided that the bad guys that got defeated in the original trilogy that literally everyone hated and were revealed to be delusional frauds in the finale, were back at double strength with the given explanation being that apparently for some reason a bunch of people just really really liked them and thought that that regime should come back, I'd have two nickels. One for Halo, and the other for Star Wars.

[@sofaking1627]

It's already been like 10 years, nobody is looking back on them with rose tinted glasses yet, doubt anyone ever will

[@FalconFlyer75]

@@sofaking1627 well know for sure if they get a clone wars type support series and if something even worse comes out

[@Gav548]

it took nearly double the time+tcw+memes for people to positively look back on the prequels tho

[@tomfriendly2412]

@@Gav548Nope. By the 2010s there were plenty of prequel fans coming out of the woodwork.

[@tomfriendly2412]

@@FalconFlyer75They already tried to give the sequels a TCW series. It’s called Resistance - and it’s just as horrible.

[@Evan8787]

​@@tomfriendly2412 Dude prequels memes originated as a joke to make fun of how bad the prequels are. Then, kids with zero appreciation for decent film or the OT started liking the prequels to be edgy and the movement grew. It's only gotten louder cause the sequels were garbage but that doesn't all of a sudden make the prequels good now. They are still bad films. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are unwatchable. Revenge of the Sith is the only watchable one but it is still heavily flawed and a terrible origin story for Vader.

[@ultracarterzilla6939]

If only we sent a Terminator back in time to prevent the sequels from ever happening.

[@ohwow2074]

To prevent Lucas from selling the franchise and instead make the sequels himself ☺️

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

The Prequels were their own story while the sequels was basically a rehash of the Original trilogy done badly and any new ideas like Finn are thrown aside in favor of a badly written ‘romance’.

[@isaac_alexander_v]

Once the children who saw the sequels age, they’ll be loved the the prequels are. It’s nostalgia

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@isaac_alexander_v I’m honestly not sure that will happen. There’s nothing about the sequels that really make them stand out like the Prequels.

[@noobmaster69426]

Unlike the prequels and originals, the sequels had no unified vision; Lucas wasn’t even involved in the sequels unlike the other two trilogies. That explained why the plots and writing of the sequels were so bad.

[@lindenstromberg6859]

According to critics of the prequels, it was the presence of Lukas that ruined them, and "r***d" their childhoods.

[@v4v819]

Luke was very evolved by the end of the sequels trilogy... You clearly haven't watched through the whole thing or at least not in the last few months so you probably forgotten by now...

[@Lastjustice]

@@v4v819 No, they completely went against who Luke Skywalker was as a character. His entire deal was doing anything for his family, and he goes and gives up for decades letting the galaxy suffer in his absence. This is a guy who never gives up. He doesn't lie. He runs away from helping the entire movie, and dies pointlessly.(which the movie never even gives us a clear reason besides they hate Luke he needs get out of the way for Rey.) The entire movie is just massive amounts of spinning wheels to waste time. The Sequel trilogy undermines everything the original trilogy did, and makes everyone a loser. Their entire previous journeys were pointless as all their progress were erased. They might as well just left the empire in charge and joined forces with vader.

[@silverloveguns]

AI Chris Pratt and AI Robert Downey Jr

[@Olamchesed]

While the writing in the prequels wasn't perfect, it followed the Skywalker Saga. It was true to the lore. And the trilogy flowed together. The sequels trashed the old characters for new characters. The sequels should have respectfully shown the old characters first before introducing new ones. And have Luke train someone new. And that person continues on.

[@Grayson-Winchester]

There is a specific reason why ever since episode 9. Disney focused on stories before, during and after the original trilogy. This is the only time frame you can tell relatable stories because a overpowered Ray who can seemingly solo everything wasn’t born yet.

[@YnossZaperator]

Even none of these sequel movies are better than Revenge of the Sith.

[@TeeAiDee]

The prequels didn't even "age well" themselves. They were already good the moment they came out. People can complain about corny dialogues, hammy acting and Jar-Jar Binks all they want, but those things could never overshadow awesome lightsaber duels, cool characters like Darth Maul and Qui-Gon Jinn, or the fact that regardless of their differences, you could tell that the prequels had the same spirit as the original trilogy and tied together in a believable manner... Unlike the sequels.

[@NikoCigoj]

Hahaha, thanks for the good laughter!

[@sephikong8323]

Episode 3 is undoubtedly a great movie. Episode 1 is a mixed bag, but I'd say probably more good than bad. However, calling episode 2 good is a massive stretch. That movie was really, really not good, and it's not "so bad it's funny" more a boring bad, Christopher Lee is one of the few good things about this movie. I don't think you can put all 3 in the same bag as they have a really large gap in quality. You are making the exact same mistake the people who hated them all and put them in the same bag did, but in reverse

[@davidmcaninch4714]

Yeah, but compared to the sequels, the Prequels aged like fine wine, and I don’t even drink wine!! The sequels will age like milk!!!!

[@ryszakowy]

i would take any scene with jar jar over entire sequel fiasco

[@Evan8787]

The fact you cite "lights saber duels" shows you don't know what Star Wars was about. The OT was great because it was never about lightsaber duels. Lightsaber duels were scarce and always more about the emotional impact of that duel. Hence, why the OT fights were slower paced so the scenes could breathe and the combatants could engage in dialogue (e.g., Vader trying to tempt Luke to the Dark Side, Sidious trying to bring Luke to the Dak Side and take his father's place). The prequels just sh*t on that and vomited out flashy, overly-choreographed light show battles, every 5 minutes, that meant nothing because George Lucas wanted to cater the films to kids with short attention spans.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

You guys didn't even mention how much of the Star Wars universe has been fleshed out from the prequels. It had a massive impact. The sequels haven't mpacted anything.

[@aarondougherty3719]

Only gripe in the prequels is George Lucas couldn’t write a love story but everything else was perfect

[@SpFlash1523]

The prequels had better world building, better villains, better lightsaber battles and action sequences, better music, memorable characters, creatively crafted battleships and weaponry, interesting plotlines, a consistent throughline when it came to its themes (greed, arrogance, fear, etc), and made the OT much more significant.

[@rbl205]

You two hit the nail on the head. It really feels like Disney purposely destroyed the legacy of the original stories and characters, pissed on their ashes, and tried to rebuild the brand in their image.

[@Austroid]

For anyone who hasn't seen the SW parody Thumb Wars, there's a scene with the Leia stand-in who just appears on screen during the Vader/Obi-Wan Death Star duel and says "I escaped somehow, lets go." That's what you'd expect hearing a line like "Somehow Palpatine returned" from; a parody. I guess you could say the sequels are pretty much expensive parodies; just without any good jokes.

[@inky5574]

Or just unintentionally funny.

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

And for anyone who hasn't seen Thumb Wars, you've missed out on absolute hilarity! It's kino

[@legobi_wan_kenobi]

Okay I have a few counterpoints to this, not saying I necessarily disagree outright but it's just a few things I thought were worth mentioning as I was watching this (and thank you to whoever takes the time to read this, I'll try my best to make it interesting) 1) While yes the ST is far more disjointed than the OT, there are still elements of the prequels that are disjointed and/or aspects of the plot that were dropped between films. For example, there's the popular argument that the events of Phantom Menace could have been summarised / incorporated into Episode 2 to give more time to focus on the plot threads from AotC, because the 10-year jump from TPM to AotC within a trilogy is a bit jarring Speaking of plot threads from AotC, Lucas just dropped the Sifo-Dyas thing between episodes 2 and 3 and none of the setup from the Kamino scenes is ever resolved, eventually Filoni had to do Lucas' work for him when TCW came out. We don't really think about it much now because it's just 'how the movies are', and I reckon future fans who grew up with the ST will think the same about Snoke - they won't rewatch TFA and think of Snoke as a big villain being built up to, they'll rewatch TFA and think of him as that weird guy who gets killed in the next movie. Kinda like how when I rewatch AotC I don't think of Sifo-Dyas as a plotline that was dropped, I think of him as a guy whose story gets explained later in The Clone Wars. Also, don't forget Dooku. If the prequels had been meticulously planned out in advanced, Dooku would have appeared as a Jedi Master in TPM instead of being shoehorned into AotC as its main antagonist and then unceremoniously killed off in RotS once he no longer served a purpose for the plot. Also on the point of directors, George Lucas was really bad at directing character dialogue scenes (shot, reverse-shot, sitting on a couch) whereas the sequels do benefit from having Abrams and Johnson as they do those scenes much better 2) The prequels retconned a lot of things too. Everyone HATED the Midi-chlorians thing at the time (even if they didn't understand it), the Jedi were turned from an order of Knights of Peace to Buddhist monks with laser swords, and for some reason they all wear desert robes because that's what Ben Kenobi was wearing in A New Hope Anakin was described in the OT as a wise Jedi Knight who was tempted down a dark path, but in the prequels Anakin comes across as a bad egg from the beginning in AotC and without the additions made in TCW it's hard to see Obi-Wan valuing Anakin as "a good friend", especially after everything he did Also, George Lucas didn't think of the 'Chosen One' prophecy until he was making the prequels, so any narrative catharsis from the 'fulfilment' of the prophecy in RotJ is a happy accident, not a planned outcome. It's like JK Rowling and the Horcruxes, she didn't plan it all from the start, it just conveniently fell into place and now everyone seems to think she's a storywriting genius when really it was just fluke (but I digress) People can end up being the worst version of themselves when they get old. That aspect of the sequels is commendable, I think, even if it doesn't resonate with everyone. A hero from the previous generation, or the one before that, can have a complete 'character arc' in the first 60 years of their life and then subsequently degenerate into a babbling fool in the last 10, it happens. I'm not saying I necessarily wanted to see that happen to my childhood hero Luke Skywalker, but I've got to respect Rian Johnson for stinging me like that. 3) I think the argument comparing the characters is a bit disengenuous. Going off the movies alone, Anakin is hardly the most fleshed-out character - in fact, several of his choices seem to come completely out of left-field to the extent that he goes from caring about the life of a single clone trooper pilot to murdering a room full of innocent children and very little is actually said in the film that explains why other than "he's evil now, so he does evil things". I know there's the whole thing about saving Padme and being bitter at the Jedi but how exactly does any of that translate to murder? It's like Anakin sees Windu die and just snaps, switches off his brain and becomes Palpatine's tool for the rest of the film. Not a particularly compelling direction for the so-called protagonist imo. Ironically, Acolyte actually did this better. Osha had a reason to hate the Jedi and to kill Jedi, Anakin got told a vague story about a Sith who could cheat death and thought "well, here I go killing again". And yet Obi-Wan still describes him as 'a good friend' in A New Hope. It's just weird! And on the point about Luke being a hermit - is there ever actually a reason given as to why Yoda becomes a hermit in Episode III, other than that's what he needs to do in order to be a hermit in Episode V? Sure, he lost the fight with Palpatine, but why is his next logical step after that to just give up? There are still Jedi survivors out there, presumably they can't all have been either in the temple or out on deployment with Clones, The Force Unleashed proved that, so why does Yoda just abandon them? It's like Jedi Grand Masters encounter one inconvenience and their first thought is "right, time to exile myself for 20 years" 4) "The prequels did a good job of connecting the two timelines" Further to my previous point about Yoda, it seems like George was thinking a bit TOO hard about bridging the gap between RotS and ANH. All the surviving characters in RotS just assume their starting positions for A New Hope - Vader and Palpatine build a Death Star, Obi-Wan and Yoda run away, and (most bizarrely of them all) 3PO and R2 are on Captain Antilles' ship, are they supposed to have been there for 19 years? Where do the events of Star Wars: Droids fit into the post-prequel canon? Did they take a vacation? Why did it take the Empire 19 years to build a Death Star but only 3 years to build an even bigger, more powerful Death Star? Why did Obi-Wan take Luke to a place that he knew Vader was aware of, and had actually visited before? The only reason why the 'Rise of the Empire' story from the prequels was told was BECAUSE fans had been left in the dark. A few bits and pieces are mentioned about the Clone Wars in A New Hope but that's it. Practically nothing is explained. To argue that the Sequels are bad because they don't explain the events leading up to the current political situation suggests that the OT is bad for the same reason. And on that point, the prequels require the audience to fill in a lot of gaps regarding the state of the Galaxy: the exact nature of the Trade Federation, the scale of the Separatist movement, the significance of the corporations like the Techno Union and the Banking Clan being key members of the breakaway faction, etc. Not all of this worldbuilding was done in the prequels, a lot of that came later in books, comics and things. Does that make the prequels bad? Also, it might be difficult to imagine from someone living in a (relatively) stable country like America, but there are countless examples in history of the 'evil empire' being toppled and the 'good guys' winning with celebrations and parties and a general vibe of goodwill and the idea that things are going to get better, only for 30 years to pass and the exact same cycle repeating itself, and the bad guys coming back either through an outright coup or via other more sinister means. The ending of RotJ is nice but it's also extremely naive 5) "It leaves people wondering, and that's not a good way to develop characters" - maybe not within a singular movie/trilogy aimed at teenagers, but the prequels left a lot for fans to wonder about regarding the motivations, backstories and sometimes even just basic character traits of particular characters from those three films, and that opened the door for things like The Clone Wars, the Legends novels, video games, and all sorts of other things that both satisfy fan's desires and also provide extra revenue streams for George Lucas / Disney. Remember that both George and Disney have the end goal of making a marketable franchise, not just a series of films, that is a goal that both of them share - money was just as much of an incentive for George as it is for Disney, it's important to remember that. 6) "If you're trying to make people connect with new characters, you have to give them a reason to care" - Rey was an impoverished orphan and Finn was a child soldier who defected from a fascist military, to me that sounds like a much better pair of character hooks than 'snarky monk and his emotionally unstable apprentice' but that's just me 7) say what you like about Disney 'box-ticking' or whatever, but don't lose sight of the fact that George Lucas' number one reason for making the prequels was money. He'd just divorced, he needed some cash, so he cashed in on Star Wars. The Phantom Menace marketing was INSANE, they had Darth Maul's face plastered onto everything from jelly sweets to adult diapers, anyone who thinks that the prequels weren't a moneymaking scheme first and an attempt to tell a story second is deluded, and I don't say that as an attack or to be mean, it's just the truth. The prequels were considered a 'soulless cash-grab' at the time because of their over-reliance on CGI, the awkward dialogue, the lazily-directed character moments and the inclusion of characters like Darth Maul and General Grievous who were clearly created to sell toys and not to be meaningful contributions to the story

[@legobi_wan_kenobi]

8) It's amusing that when you list the great female characters in Star Wars, you've got the only prominent female character in the OT, the only prominent female character in the prequels, and then Ahsoka - who isn't even in the movies. Yes it's silly to say that all of the hate for the sequels was purely based on the fact that Rey is a woman, but it's equally silly to try to deny that there are still lots and lots of sexist Star Wars fans who dislike female characters in the series, complain whenever there's a woman or girl in Star Wars, and generally give the fandom a bad name by hating on Rey for flaws in how her character was written that could easily be applied to Anakin or Luke On the whole this is a decent summary of some of the issues with the sequels BUT you both seem to be ignoring how many of these criticisms can also apply to the Prequels, or even the OT. And tbh, that's an issue I'm seeing in the wider Star Wars fandom as a whole, we're basically seeing a repeat of the mindless hate and toxicity that the prequels got in the 2000s, the kind of fandom status that drove Ahmed Best to the edge, or made Hayden a recluse, or shook Ewan's confidence in his own acting skills. Maybe as a fandom we need to accept the flaws of each trilogy and move on, and leave it to the next generation to decide how the sequels should be defined. Again, thanks for reading this to anyone who read this, I'd appreciate any thoughts or reponses as I love Star Wars and while I don't like all the things that Disney have done so far, I do think that the projects they'e put out have been met with unneccessary derision and sometimes even outright hatred from the fandom, and I'm old enough to remember the same nonsense being hurled at the prequels in the past. Not everything Disney has done is good, true - but not everything George Lucas did was good either, and both Disney and George Lucas have presided over the creation of some great Star Wars content that we as fans should judge on its own merits, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask

[@johnleonard9102]

Star Wars will not get better until Kathleen Kennedy, Dave Filoni, and even John Favreau are all out.

[@randomcenturion7264]

The Prequels were under appreciated for their time. The Sequels are just gonna get worse with every year.

[@RPWStudios]

Simply because the Prequels are actually good movie while the Sequels are not. A lot of things in movies are subjective but you can analyze the plot and characters arcs if they make sense or not.

[@craigjacks588]

The Prequels will age like a fine wine, while the Disney Sequels will age like already spoiled milk.

[@nicholasdelaney1407]

The Prequels had well written stories, cool characters, AWESOME Fight scenes, beautiful music, fun dialogue, good acting, and overall the Prequels were just fun to watch...

[@johnb2422]

k...

[@cannabishornliu6119]

And the dialog, as bad as it was sometimes, became meme-gold in the future to the point that Hayden Christensen saying "This is where the fun begins." live to an audience the crowd goes wild! No one will ever go wild when Daisy Ridley says "And I'm all the Jedi!" to a crowd.

[@nicholasdelaney1407]

@@cannabishornliu6119 I've added that in...

[@Lupinemancer87]

Highly agree!

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

​@@cannabishornliu6119 I mostly agree with you... But Daisy could say "the" and get trained seal clapping and barks from the absolute drones that enjoy "modern audience" media.

[@notavailable4891]

Agree. And now with Romulus, it's becoming clear that Disney just isn't capable of getting even the basics of filmmaking correct.

[@danjoshdp6257]

Romulus is amazing wtf?

[@alexisc4922]

​@@danjoshdp6257Yeah nah

[@Toshiro93]

@@danjoshdp6257 Well... it's fantastic on the production side, but on the narrative and character front it leaves a lot to be desired: even beyond personal tastes, if you analyze it objectively there are several points where a huge suspension of disbelief is required.

[@danjoshdp6257]

@Knightofspades Well yes, no film is flawless

[@donstarlancer]

The Sequels tried to do what the 1986 Transformers movie did but forget to also still make it cool

[@lukasz.adamski]

Prequels were different than original trilogy but still they were planned as something consistent that links with original trilogy and even enchances many things in the first trilogy. Sequels not only don't link with anything but are inconsistent with themselves. They are just random mess made without any plan.

[@showkneejudgement251]

These troopers obviously scored top of their class in their simulation days. I couldn’t have said this better myself. Thank you for talking on this topic. I too have heard so many people say the sequels will age better over time and I too agree thats not true. Disney Star Wars doesn’t have the George Lucas Magic. It just checks boxes for diversity and representation and looks appealing for box office numbers like you said. George Lucas on the other hand knew how to tell great story’s and develop characters while also making a ton of money on merch and the box office all at the same time.

[@joshgardner5887]

“The prequels had a clear vision from the beginning and stuck with that all the way through.” Tell that to Darth Jar Jar 😔. I agree with the video, though! Very well done!

[@TrooperTalks]

Haha it definitely wasn't a perfect trilogy, but at least it had a consistent plot throughout all 3 movies.

[@Everyonesbuddy829]

Why the starwars sequel sucks: 1) Rey is a Mary sue a character with no flaws. 2) They deleted Han's redemption in the original story & brought him back to his former self before he met Obi Wan Kenobi & Luke. 3) they just redid the old war. Star killer base = bigger death Star, Kylo Ren = new Vader, Rey = female Luke. 4) Finn being a stormtrooper with a feelings & morality could have been a unique plot but they ruined it they gave him no flashbacks & he didn't seems to have any guilt about killing stormtrooper considering they're probably his former buddy. 5) Darth Sidious. Somehow Sidious has returned actually based on the comics Sidious has clone but they made it look like he's just a zombie. 6) Rey didn't have her signature lightsaber until the last second of the movie. When Luke in the original trilogy fought Vader he lost his hand & Anakin's former lightsaber so he need to make his own with green laser. Rey actually lost Anakin's saber & in fact it broke into 2 in the 2nd sequel but somehow she got it fixed. 7) The fight scenes are terrible Rey is swinging the lightsaber like a bat instead of like a sword & somehow when she's about to lose she gets saved by the plot armor. 8) What they should have done is show why Finn is a unique stormtrooper with morality show us how cruel the training of the empire was. They should have made Kylo Ren aka Ben solo be the main protagonist instead of Rey. Ben solo is the son of Leia & Han solo so he's in the Skywalker bloodline & the audience would have loved him more. Rey on the other hand have no backstory & they even tried to give Rey a dark story by making her a grand daughter of Palpatine but it didn't work.

[@Hanoua2]

The Prequel introduce a ton of new idea, world and character that we were excited to learn more about with books and video game. The sequel doesnt have any of that, its a dollarstore reboot of the og with no world building or cool idea

[@VoltitanDev]

Calling Disney's Star wars a sequel is like calling Rings of Power a prequel. I think were the series went wrong was when Fin. Was given the comic relief role and Rey got the spotlight seriously all that build up for Finn was wasted and Ryan Johnson did Luke dirty turning a well beloved hero into a bum.

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Thing is that in the prequels, the Jedi aren’t corrupt. They’re simply misguided. But people that try to defend the sequels don’t seem to understand why the Jedi order fell

[@NearingLight]

0:14 well fist off Jar Jar Binks is the ultra giga chad

[@hellacoorinna9995]

"Fist off Jar Jar Binks"? Kinky.

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Prequels had an ENTIRE multimedial project dedicated to the clone wars That alone proves that for all their flaws prequels still had enough to say and enough people who cared The only Disney project which had connection to the sequels was Resistence, which was forgotten

[@riftshredder5438]

The prequels didn't regain in popularity, they were already good to begin with, but all the OT fans who were blinded by nostalgia didn't give the prequels a chance until Disney made some actual bad Star Wars movies that now those fans have to face reality that maybe they were too hard on the prequels

[@spacejesus570]

No, the PT is still trash.

[@QuickPoker]

I believe the flaws of the Sequels are much bigger than that of the Prequel Trilogy. The PT’s flaws are some so so dialogue and maybe even acted related a couple scenes coulda been done better. But you maybe can fix them with a re edit. example: turn the romance scenes in Attack to a montage and you may convey the same meaning as the silly love dialogue etc. The sequel trilogy is structurally damaged. Its foundation is not clear and there is not a cohesive story. Such a flaw can not be fixed with editing. So yeah prequels are better. Just a disclaimer i love the PT possibly even more than the OT. I do not like to bash the sequels too much because i love all my star wars family/fans. The sequels are over hated but the fact remains it is the weakest trilogy of the three. And in time it will be more liked but not the way the prequels are. Structural damage and lack of George Lucas input and overall vision is a lot more to overcome then some weird looking CGI and cringe dialogue. 😎

[@_MaZTeR_]

Despite the character dialogue in some cases, the world building and characters are incredible that it spawned an animated TV show that spawned other TV shows that also translated into live action. What does the sequels have to offer? Republic gets blown to hell, Jedi are gone again, Luke is a sad hermit, Kylo kills Snooky and becomes the Emperor for 1 year, then dies and Palpatine comes back, somehow as explained, and dies. Oh and Rey somehow fixes everyone's problems and Finn exist to yell "Rey." In fact, the whole sequel trilogy arc ends to the same situation as the original trilogy did and nothing has evolved. Or daresay, it has devolved, because the New Republic was decimated in the very first film.

[@QuickPoker]

@@_MaZTeR_ disney was so focused on ignoring the prequels and catering to the original trilogy supremacists who hate the prequels that they ignored world building and politics for the sequels. Causing them to have TFA take place in a galaxy that wasn't organically what it would be post return for the jedi. They only cared out resetting everything back to original trilogy feel, from the characters (Han acts like he hasn't evolved at all, to the actual galaxy, they act like the glaxy didn't defeat the empire). the sequels had a lot to overcome from the start due to this fatal mistake 🤷🏻‍♂

[@beastmaster0934]

And also either make Anakin a bit older or Padme a bit younger so it’s not weird that a 14 year old has a crush on a 9 year old.

[@Trey_816]

I haven't thought about the "sequels" in months. I think about the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy a lot.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

One of the biggest problems is exemplified by the fact that you repeatedly refer to the The First Order as The Empire in this video. They creatives behind the sequels knew that they needed a new threat to the galaxy, but either they weren't creative enough to give their new evil empire its own identity or they felt that their movies just wouldn't feel Star Wars-ish enough without stormtroopers running around in their iconic uniforms.

[@michaelbk0076]

The biggest thing that separates the Prequels and the Sequels for me is the single fact that George actually had a plan going into making the Prequels. Sure, the finer details were a bit fuzzy, but the general story and world building was actually there. There's a general understanding of how Palpatine came to power hand how the Jedi lost, which resulted in the Republic falling and the Empire rising. It also gives you a proper scale of just how bad things were and just how powerful the Empire was by the end of the Prequels. The Sequels had literally none of that. They went into TFA without a proper plan and ended up playing hot potato with J.J and Ryan throughout the whole trilogy. The world building was non-existent, and by the end of the Sequels we don't even know how big The First Order truly wasx. All we know is that Starkiller Base took down a system and then The New Republic lost. We get no info of how The First Order was able to build up their forces over the course of 30 years, find time to turn the entirety of Illum into a fucking planet sized weapon, and not have The New Republic come down on them.

[@kingDowahs]

The Prequels had so much effort put into them and in the end works well to build the world and the narrative and adds a lot of depth to Obi-wan, Vader, Yoda and C3PO and R2 The sequels did not add more context to previous events or build on really any of the old characters except for Luke and well we all know that don’t work…

[@Neonytic]

Hey, I don't really follow your channel much, BUT I think it'd make it way more relaxed if you had the mics somehow attached to the inside of your helmets.

[@Noonien96-nx6yj]

It might not age so badly. When I was a boy my dad was disappointed that I liked Roger Moore better than Sean Connery, just because I thought his movies were funnier. Nowadays I like Sean Connery better, but I still think Roger Moore is very rad.

[@jamespadgett8660]

Remember rose tico? No. No you don't. Nobody remembers rose tico.

[@hodarinundu]

What is that, some sort of rash?

[@ohwow2074]

Aayla Secura with her minimal amount of screen time has been far more favorable and loved amongst Star Wars community than Ray 😂😂😂 It's crazy how Lucas's side character is more likable than Disney's main protagonist 😮

[@fortcastellan1730]

Looking beyond the movies themselves, part of the appeal of the Prequels was that they (ironically) pushed the story forward. I'm sure a few bits of the Expanded Universe were retconned by the Prequels, but the EU as a whole was still moving forward. Plus, from the moment the Prequels ended, their story was being pushed forward (towards the Originals) via cartoons, comics, novels, etc. By contrast, the Sequels set the story back: retconning away the entire EU, and basically erasing 30 years worth of story progression. And every new bit of non-Sequel movies or major media in the Disney era has been a prequel of some sort: the High Republic, the Era between the Sequels and the Originals, or the immediate aftermath of the Originals (which is still a prequel to Sequels). I don't think there has been a single major piece of media that has tried to push the story past the end of Episode 9. Thus, nothing to build on the legacy of the Sequels and make them more than just what they were...

[@matthewknauf3625]

the sequels were just a rehash of the original movies. They were not a new movies. for goodness sakes, they brought back palpitine "somehow". they had an entire galaxy to play with, but they could not have an original thought. There were a ton of comics, games and books about after the fall of the empire they could have used but nope. So much potential, just wasted.

[@death-king1834]

While the Prequels didn't have the best of executions when it came to it's overall story, it made up for it with it's world-building and a lot of the foundation of what it was trying to do. Being the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, the slow decline of the Republic into the brutal Empire, Palpatine being the two faced puppet master pulling all the strings in the background, and the fall of the Jedi Knights. George Lucas still tried to tell a story. Again, it can be debated how well he executed that story but he at least knew what he wanted to do with the trilogy. In comparison the Sequels are just nothing more but a cheap cyincal cashgrab that did nothing to actually try to progress the story after Return of the Jedi. Basically, everything that happened at the Battle of Endor meant nothing by the time of the Force Awakens. The Empire is just somehow back with all it's power. The Republic was both stupid and utterly inept as it seemingly did nothing to prevent the First Order from rising back to power and are themselves destroyed in less than five minutes from their super mega Death Star. All the heroes people loved and followed all became a bunch of washed up miserable failures. And Palpatine himself never even died making Anakin's redempation and sacrfice mean nothing. The Sequels in my opinion will only continue to age worse not better over the coming years. Hell, the Force Awakens alone aged like sour milk just a few short years after it's release when everyone eventually woke up and realized they had been essentially duped into paying to see a worse rehash of the original 1977 film. And has only aged even worse with the proceeding films that pretty much disregarded a lot of the stuff TFA was trying to set up. Like with Snoke for just one example. All because nobody had bothered to write up even a basic outline of where this trilogy was supposed to start, what it was eventually going to lead into, and how it was all supoose to conclude. It's made even worse when you just compare the dozens of stories created out of the Expanded Universe following the events of Episode VI that generally did try to progress the universe and characters foward, and just compare it against what Disney provided. The universe presented in the Sequels is just so utterly boring and uninteresting that there is basically nothing to work with or build upon when compared with George's first two trilogies. This alone can be seen from the fact that a majority of the content Disney has crapped out with the series following the Sequel Trilogy has all been exclusively set in the timeframes of the trilogies that George made, with the possible exception of the Mandalorian.

[@ruledtrendy5066]

I genuinely thought TLJ was a prank when I saw it. It watched the whole of the credits because I was sure someone was going to jump out and say "you didn't really think that was the new Star Wars film did you"

[@javierramirez1805]

My introduction to Star Wars was the prequel trilogy when I was 9 years old. I was engaged in the story, the characters and the world building. Those movies got me to rent the original trilogy from Blockbuster (RIP), and I fell in love with them. I could easily connect both trilogies and still love all six films to this day. Yes, the prequels weren't perfect, but neither were the originals, I still love them despite their flaws. The sequels were very disappointing. I gave them a chance, but after seeing them and the reactions of the moronic activists, the mainstream media and the Reylos, I just gave up on Disney Star Wars. I'lll just stick to the six movies, the Clone Wars multimedia project and the Expanded Universe.

[@maxacorn]

the prequels work for a lot of reasons. but one i think most don't get is the parallel journeys of anakin and luke. lets look at where they are in each other their respect movies in their trilogies. movie 1: both start out on a desert planet with little to no hope for any kind of future. both want something more out of life but are stuck on that planet. then a kind old jedi becomes a mentor to them both, taking them out of their homes and showing them a wider galaxy. both lose said mentors but still have the strength to use their pre-established talents win a pitched battle and thus being rewarded for it. movie 2: time passed. both grow and mature into their respective roles but still far from where they would eventually be. both receive training from jedi masters but shown themselves to be cocky and impatient. both face off against a sith lord to save the people they care about. both end up being defeated and losing an arm. but both find the resolve to be better. movie 3: time passes. both have become much stronger in the force and are now respected in by their peers. both face off against the sith lords who defeated them. both defeat the sith lord. but the differences are in these movies. anakin gives into the darkside and kills dooku while luke rejects the darkside and spares vader. luke rises while anakin falls. and here is something i didn't even think of until this comment. anakin's fate is decided by the emperor's force lightning, the most violent of force powers. in the PT, palpatine uses force lightning against mace and anakin sides with the emperor, thus falling to the darkside. in the OT, palpatine uses force lightning against luke and vader sides with his son, thus redeeming him and returning back to the light. rey doesn't have that journey. she is just there and giving powers and abilities she doesn't earn.

[@Toshiro93]

@@maxacorn very good points!

[@michaelmacleod6517]

It was a chore to sit through Last Jedi. I was so disgusted by Kylo and Rey that I just stopped caring. I didn't even see Rise of Palpatine and now Daisy Ridley wants to come back for a Rey movie that won't make much profit because absolutely no one with common sense loves the character. And yeah, it pisses me off that Rey is the founder of the new jedi order when it's what Luke should have been doing since the end of Retiurn of the Jedi. Ultimately, the sequel trilogy will always be the series that shows how much opportunity was wasted. It started off mediocre and ended with a muted whimper. It left alot of fans apathetic. Hoefully if the rumors of a reboot/retcon are true and the trilogy decannonized, then it's a slow start towards something better. But it's still George Lucas' fault for selling his property to Disney in the first place.

[@jairusjackson7799]

Simple; They had no story to tell. That is it, those movies were made for money, and everyone with a brain can tell. George WANTED to complete his story, that's why he made the prequels. In an era, before Hollywood was milking old franchises for all they were worth. And by completing his vision, he gave us one of the greatest stories ever told. The Sequels on the other hand, are just average generic Hollywood movies, nothing more

[@cacuevas]

Take The Force Awakens for example, the movie was positively received by most people but now, almost a decade later, its reputation has gone down the drain (deservedly so) yet these people think that it will somehow gain new love and popularity within the next decade

[@hodarinundu]

The Force Awakens had the advantage of people's good faith. People WANTED to like it. But it was pretty evident from the start that it was shit. I didn´t even bother with the other two.

[@regularguy7266]

I feel like the biggest problem with the Prequels is that it takes place over a significantly larger time period than the Original Trilogy. The OT only took place over a time period of 4 years, while the PT took place over 13 year time period, and that's more than triple the amount of time. George had to find a way to fit the most important events of those 13 years into just 3 movies, and even though the Expanded Universe and the Clone Wars 2008 series fleshed more of the PT out, it still feels like we have missed so many important events and so much lore. However, the reason why the Prequels aged like the finest of wines is because despite its flaws, it was built on the foundation of a timeless and amazing story that is the Prequel to an already amazing story. A lot of Disney fans will say, "Well, people used to hate the Prequels, and now the majority of the fanbase loves them." While that is true, I feel like they don't care to explain WHY the Prequels are popular now, so I will do exactly that. It's due to hindsight, and the idea that with age comes wisdom. As we got older and began to understand more complex concepts, we realized what George's goal for the trilogy was, and what themes and messages he was trying to convey to the audience.

[@MrVentus1012]

That’s because the sequels stole stuff from the original trilogy. The prequels had stuff that was different.

[@Seehwan-n5h]

the strange thing is that sequels make haters like prequels

[@zw246]

The prequels went from at first being bitter grape juice that eventually aged into fine wine. They had their misteps but it was about STORY and Lucas had a road map

[@bradfeaster4177]

IF the story had been planned and written well…. Rey, Poe, and Finn -and Kylo, ALL have the potential to be great characters. On a character sheet we’d all be on board. The casting was actually really good. Those actors, especially Oscar Isaacs and Adam Driver, really could have carried a weak but fairly solid script. If they’d done a “paint by numbers” they could be printing money. That they couldn’t muster that much effort, and then out of resentment drove into the ground what was left when fans called them on their apathy; it’s so hard to understand.

[@liaml.e.5964]

The pequels are oddly (and sometimes awkwardly) written and have tonal issues at time, but the underlying story and themes were SOLID. The sequels where a mess from the begining, no tone, terrible writing, no overarching story, abhorrently puerile direction (Abrams is a mediocre director at best, and Johnson took pleasure in antagonizing the fanbase), lackluster acting (not entirely the actors' fault) and a complete lack of purpose or direction to them. The Prequels have aged relatively well because, at their core, they had a story to tell. The sequels couldn't even be bothered to have thay much, they started as a mild reboot and went all over after that.

[@SolurVoludun]

Reject Disney, embrace the EU

[@joshuakim5240]

One thing that the prequels also did quite well was actually be significantly different in a very original way away from the OT. Completely different factions, troops, vehicles, warfare doctrines, and characters that aren't just poached discount versions of their predecessor content. Lucas easily could have just made the Clone Wars about more stormtrooper lookalikes fighting each other but he instead created an entire multi-role droid military faction complete with several different types of droid designs for different combat roles, while also making the interesting little plot twist of the ancestors of the Stormtrooper corps as the good faction helping the good guys (well, until Order 66). He COULD have just made red Stormtroopers as the most piss easy zero-imagination, creatively bankrupt turd imaginable...but he didn't while Disney did.

[@miggs4745]

Let’s come back to this video in 10 years

[@calejenkins2657]

technically they are right, the disney plus shows are soo fucking bad, it makes the force awakens look like a new hope!

[@MasticinaAkicta]

No they wont indeed. The Prequels, even though, not a good as the originals, at least made sense. They worked together as a trilogy and told a story that makes it work. That and had some really awesome fights and action. And some interesting choices character wise, hello Darth Jar Jar. The Sequels? WHAT THE F???

[@danielbold6167]

The biggest thing that hits me is the fact that Palpatine returning pretty much means that in ROTJ, he ends up pulling a "No u" on Anakin/Vader. This means that Anakin/Vader died for absolutely no reason. So, some random girl who becomes a fully mastered Jedi in literal months steals his glory 😤

[@Seehwan-n5h]

I fell kathleen Kennedy try to prove women are better than man by making rey mary sue feminist ruined star wars

[@eternaldarkness6228]

Those came out a few tears back, but honestly, I barely remember the plot while the original trilogy ask me anything, and I'll tell you any line from any of them.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Sequel should had been about Anakin grandchildren Kylo ren doesn’t count that guy was a terrible person and doesn’t make sense any grandkids to turn the dark side Kylo reasoning is dumb. The world building should be progressing the new republic reign,new Jedi order is back and imperial remnants are in the rebel position.

[@zshah3107]

Good Point!

[@TemplarLux]

Butchered english. Do better. Then you can criticize fictional media.

[@cheezeebutter452]

I believe that George wrote his version of the sequel trilogy with the intent to make Kilo and Ray-at the time of his writing her name was “Kira,” so them being siblings was obvious-but JJ and his precious “mystery box” just had to make Rays identity a secret when the obviously better story was the one Lucas had written where she would adventure with Luke to discover more about the force. Also I do believe that Kilo was intended to be on the dark side because JJ has no real ideas of his own and I’m sure Lucas’ version of that would’ve been way better.

[@rayvenkman2087]

​@@cheezeebutter452Typical JJ.

[@cheezeebutter452]

I actually like the way that Kilo is a dark side user in the sequel trilogy, or at least the idea of it. The fact that he's actually some sort of spy against the Sith but doesn't feel he can defeat the Sith without giving into the dark side which by the way is what Palpatine tried to convince Luke of in order to turn him to the dark side; all whilst following a perverted version of the Jedi code to finish the job Anakin had started. That idea is pure gold and builds greatly on all of the films that came before it. Especially that last part because imagine Anakin force ghosting to Kilo and being like "grandson, this ain't it dawg." Of course what we got was barely a shadow of this legitimately cool idea, and I firmly believe any cool and original idea from the sequel trilogy is merely leftover from Lucas' draft of the sequel trilogy and everything else is made by talentless hacks that don't understand why Star Wars was good in the first place and have no original ideas of their own.

[@IsabellaIreland]

The title of this video is funny. My reaction to it was “ are we still talking about the sequals?”

[@chrishilton3626]

All Disney sees when it looks at Star Wars is a complete big money printing machine they’ll never see any other way and that’s why they’ve absolutely destroyed Star Wars in someways

[@WillRock07]

The way I view it is this: The Originals were great stories executed well The Prequels were great stories executed badly The Sequels were poor stories executed well The problem is you NEED a good coherent story. It also helps that Revenge of the Sith is good enough to warrant rewatches - Revenge of the Sith, which is the story the prequels really intended to tell, was pretty good - aka it was at it's best where it counted, so you can kinda handwave the first 2 films being subpar. The Sequel Trilogy is different because the story is just a mess, and it fumbled the ending pretty hard as a result, making the rewatch value much much worse imo. If Game of Thrones has taught us anything, if you fumble the destination, you've failed. Yes, the journey is important, but actually, the destination is arguably more important imo, and that's where the difference lies between the Prequels and Sequels.

[@NinjaFlibble]

People who think that fans will eventually come to love the sequels like they eventually came to love the prequels are entirely missing a few things: these fans only came to love (or at least enjoy) the prequels because something objectively worse was put out under the Star Wars brand, and they're missing the main problems that people who didn't like the prequels had: which was the dialogue and Jar Jar. The sequels may not have a Jar Jar-esque character and they may have more realistic dialogue, but they fail on the crucial requirements of having a good story and great characters. Both were things the prequels did have.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Also the over all plot of the Prequels actually becomes more clever as you get older and can understand it better, while it might've confused you as a kid. Conversely with the Sequels it might amuse you as a kid, but as you get older and think about it more and more, you realize just how terrible and nonsensical the writing is.

[@Evan8787]

No, the prequels are still horribly written. They aren't clever in the slightest. Have you even watched a movie pre-2000 or that isn't made by Disney?

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@Evan8787 Yeah I did. That's why I know what I'm talking about.

[@DjBaapreB]

For a long time the prequels got no love. Who knows? Maybe the sequels will be appreciated in time. Aging like fine wine or blue milk.

[@hodarinundu]

Except the prequels had rich worldbuilding and lore, interesting characters, diverse alien creatures with cool designs, awesome action sequences, strong ties to the OT that actually added to the story, memorable music, a top tier villain... the list goes on. The sequel trilogy has none of that- the characters are pathetic, everything is either a cheap copy of the OT or an open middle finger to it. It's badly done, and in bad faith. It won´t be getting any love I don´t think, no matter how much time passes.

[@MrEffectfilms]

I'm seriously wondering if Kennedy has something on Iger, any other CEO would have long since fired her by now but they almost seem scared to get rid of her.

[@homelesskoopa1308]

Disney needs to completely redo the sequels, in my opinion, cause we won’t just forget, make the 10th movie open up with luke, or someone else important, looking through the sequels portals, in the world between worlds, being like “glad that didn’t happen.”

[@fightingfortruth9806]

The empire at its full strength was able to build a moon sized base. But after the empire had been decimated, they managed to build a new planet sized based, vastly more powerful than the death star. How??

[@terrorcop101]

The time gap between the originals and sequels has been an issue with me from the start; while watching your video, I thought maybe a better way to go would've been to make the sequels about the rise of the First Order, which really should've been dubbed the New Empire or something and the use of orders is how they organized it with the First being the ruling caste.

[@kakaomilch5905]

The only possible thing that could happen is that something even worse comes along and makes the sequels look good...well...

[@MikeSidious]

The prequels had a solid story one that could be added to in the form of books, comics, video games, (two) animated shows and toys that all tied-in to the trilogy. The Sequels had a disjointed, sloppy story, unmarketable characters that don't have the same appeal. I don't see Hasbro or Hot Toys pumping out the tenth Holdo figure or a huge AT-M6 walker? They don't, because they failed to capture the zeitgeist and in turn shit the bed.

[@cameron.t]

This is a good video. But I’m coming to the realization I can’t even consume criticism of new Star Wars anymore. It’s just sad. The first 6 movies exist along with Andor and Rogue One. Disney wants to gaslit the fanbase? I’m gonna gaslight myself into forgetting all of this hallucination. It’s just D-grade fanfic

[@darthcaedus9130]

The clone wars made the prequels better. There's nothing to do the same for the sequels. Damage has been done already. Luke is worthless. Han is worthless.

[@이동연-c6d]

They shall scrapped at once.

[@danymitehazard]

This whole trilogy is a disgrace

[@markgraham2312]

Disney's entire purpose for the sequel trilogy was that girls were not buying enough Star Wars toys. That is not a good reason for anything.

[@oaschloch-reuploads4423]

the prequels where hated and only loved now because of nostalgic gen z ppl, same thing will happen once the 5 year olds of today grow up, it happens with all movies

[@Gav548]

yeah it's a combination of the sequels not being as good as they were, ~20 years passing since the prequels were released, and an animated show coming out that was so much better than the movies it's based on that people forgot how bad the prequels actually were

[@Gav548]

visually, sequels and original trilogy will (or already did) age better than the prequels within the next decade or 2 but i don't think a lot of people are ready to accept that 😭

[@Alban_Blade_Memer]

I don't think so. Gen Z had partially grew up without social media and star wars content was more "accessible " (like on cartoon networks for clone wars).

[@Ale-dd3ek]

It has been almost 10 years since Episode 7 Still hated

[@oaschloch-reuploads4423]

@Ale-dd3ek give it another 10