subaru - the king of making cars NOTHING like the concepts cars we actually want
@K03sport4 ай бұрын
"...as a wagon". The return of the rally legend as a wagon would be phenomenal. I'm down with fast three pdeal wagons. If the STi isn't a manual, its sales will tank and then "everyone" (meaning Toyota and Subaru board members) will deem it a failure. And the only reason it would fail is because upper-upper mgmt changed the formula from its core philosophy. Hybrid or not, the car needs to retain its touch w/the past in order to be successful. I don't see Subaru racing a STi in ANY racing series outside the US Rally series any time soon.
@PistNRods4 ай бұрын
It should have gotten 400hp 10 years ago. It was on par powerwise with American V8s, the Camaro, Mustang and close to the Vette in 2004 when it debuted with 300hp. Imagine if they matched them now since the Camaro is 450 and Mustang 480.
@kuvyoghmoobamelica68834 ай бұрын
It could, but it shouldn't have because Subaru was still competing in wrc 10 years ago. Their rally car barely had 330hp. They made the sti with regulations mind and the hp cap in wrc from 10 years ago was 300hp. In 2017, the hp capped was up to 380hp hence why the EVO discontinued in 2015 and then the 2017 Ford Focus came out with 350hp. They had to discontinued the sti so that they can remake a new sti which was a good thing that subaru did.
@remissiveslave3 күн бұрын
With this cars platform, makes no sense o just adding hundreds more. These could cap at 450-500 for the rest of time and it would be fitting for it's placement.
@alexandram94774 ай бұрын
I'll go with the mild hybrid type setup, seems like that's what's happening in racing, I think it'll be an improvement over 100% ICE - reduce turbo lag, better low end power
@AntilleanConfederation4 ай бұрын
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@panderalexander4 ай бұрын
Good video, STI has never been about horsepower but that's all VB owners keep mentioning being better about forgetting about STI always been knowing for handling and as track weapon. FA24 is nice engine, but handling is so poor on new VB, my wife spent $6k on coilovers, sways, bushings, wheels/tires on VB but handling was still poor, it's that open front and open rear diff with electronic brakepad vectoring they took from the Crosstrek and Forester and put in VB. Hope they come out with STI version that always came with front LSD, center DCCD diff, and rear LSD for the handling goodness to compete against Corolla GR and Type R.
@MrRobcolts4 ай бұрын
Great video Sepp! I have owned GC and GD (Bug eye) WRXs and was super lucky to get one of the latter VA STi’s. The Subaru WRX and their associated technology is very slow to evolve, but given how many people still talking this subject there must still be strong interest. Subaru are a small car manufacturer, and have a comparatively similar R&D and vehicle development budget. For the team that develops STi vehicles to get funding for this new gen a business case (or cash injection from shareholder Toyota) needs to happen… I will keep my VA clean and shiny and very well maintained meanwhile 😉
@TheKingkingg4 ай бұрын
I got excited seeing return of Legend and thought Acura finally decided to bring it back, disappointed when I read rest. It's good for Subaru and their fans.
@Mike_444 ай бұрын
When when when? We can’t wait!
@strongislandautoenthusiast84112 күн бұрын
Why can't Subaru bring the Levorg to the USDM!! Mexico is getting a RHD Subaru Levorg but why not here in the United States of America?? Subaru should design an STI Levorg.
@Joshua-hv5gs4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your knowledge I absolutely love Subaru
@preventer3334 ай бұрын
I didn't think it this way, but if VC WRX marks return of the STi with mild hybrid addition, that would be the most ideal setup. Subaru should've seriously looked into mild hybridization of the FA series engines before recklessly jumping into electrification to test the waters as well as allowing their fan base to get used to the new technology.
@giftedcracker4 ай бұрын
As much as Id love a FA24 simply paired with a sti drivetrain, a fa24 powering the rear wheels with electric motors powering the front would be pretty cool.
@dianjelo4 ай бұрын
I think they’re gonna bring back the STi but as an Impreza hatch this time around. There’s has just been a lot of rumors going around in motorsports that Subaru is eyeballing WRC again, they don’t want Hyundai or their parent company Toyota to just have all the fun. If they are coming back the Impreza for sure will be the rally platform once again.
@dishonestpanda-11064 ай бұрын
Toyota is not their parent company stop spreading false information
@K03sport4 ай бұрын
I'm under the impression Subaru needs 1 body style for their small car and it's the 5-door hatch. All Crosstrek, 2.5 RS, 2.0 Impreza, WRX, and STI can all be made on this chassis. each car will differ in engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, some body panels and some interior bits...but the remaining 75% is the same and will reduce production costs. The back seats can be the same, but with different stitch patterns on the seat covers. Yes, there will be Federalizarion costs for each engine-transmission combo, but those already exist across several cars. Putting all small Subaru cars on the 5-door hatch will reduce costs overall and and be better for everyone in the end. P.S.: the Legacy just needs to be turned into a road wagon based on the Outback.
@billyarmijo79414 ай бұрын
I think Subaru will go hybrid. The boxer engine paired with AWD is their identity.
@aaronreed98634 ай бұрын
My guess is it will be a joint venture with Toyota. 2.4l turbo boxer paired with an electric rear end. Maybe sharing underpinnings with what the new Camry TRD will be.
@Bananananann4 ай бұрын
Personally I think it's gonna be a hybird as the new 2025 Subaru Ascent has a chance of having a hybird engine so they might share the powertrain with more power
@carswithsepp4 ай бұрын
That is a good observation. Just like the Ascent got the FA24 before the WRX. Subaru just doing the same thing potentially!
@FWRXTER4 ай бұрын
Another great video Sepp! Love your work 🙌
@Untamed_STI14 күн бұрын
If it comes back it needs to have ej257 engine, sti 6 speed manual transmission, and the 2 LSDs with the Center Diff with dccd control
@carswithsepp14 күн бұрын
Would be nice
@remissiveslave3 күн бұрын
An engine as fragile as that would be a poor choice. Unless they fulllllly reengineer it through and through, so cylinder heads don't warp, dry sump it, and do better at controlling over-boost. With the government attempt to slowly turn our world into a virtually reality emulator, good luck keeping this engine efficient enough to keep Olga from spiraling.
@nonormies2837Ай бұрын
New sub. Great content
@carswithseppАй бұрын
@@nonormies2837 thanks man!
@Arminrl4 ай бұрын
Man I hope, so many people want a new STI, they tuned the 23 and 24 wrx for nurburgring and gt300. They can do alot with FA but we will see what they will do. Also a forester and levorg STI would be cool but probably wouldn't sell as much as WRX STI.
@carswithsepp4 ай бұрын
Yeah I hope so too. You own an STI??
@Arminrl4 ай бұрын
No sadly:(. I only run a tiktok account about subaru's, but I will buy 2005 STI in a few years hopefully.
@shiloh51994 ай бұрын
Unless the Subaru WRX STI comes back as a 4door hatchback, im probably jumping into a GR Corolla. I love my 2005 GD chassis hatchback and I really like my VA chassis but I long for a brand new Subaru WRX hatchback.
@aujourduy77954 ай бұрын
I think they could just do a beefier FA24, brembos, adaptive suspension and the STI transmission. I would trade in my 19 WRX in a heartbeat if they do that
@practicaldriver4 ай бұрын
They just have to give the current WRX TR the STI trans, front and rear LSD. It'd sell like hotcakes. The TR is already 42k I'd imagine this version of STI would be near 50k
@remissiveslave3 күн бұрын
@@practicaldriverover 50k almost certainly.
@shaolinwarrior874 ай бұрын
I read somewhere that the next STI would be labeled the STE with an electric set up
@EdwardSteadfast4 ай бұрын
SeppYea!
@daveR16114 ай бұрын
Personally, I don’t think the STi will revived as an ICE. But rather as a full electric. If electric is boring, it’s actually not after experiencing a ride in Hyundai Ioniq 5 N
@steveballmersbaldspot2.0953 ай бұрын
They should put a boxer 6 in the next Sti.
@remissiveslave3 күн бұрын
Not even a Subaru guy but if it returns with hybrid b.s. I'm out. These cars are enough of a headache to repair w/that completely unnecessary sh** added. These have only gotten heavier over time, now let's add hundreds of extra pounds. I hope if it comes back as an ev or hybrid, no one buys if.
@magicjnkie2163 ай бұрын
All I know is they better get their shit together before I buy another car...if the STi isnt available...i'll buy something else....SOON!
@RobHTech4 ай бұрын
hybrid is likely the best choice, obviously. But, Subie would have to implement it well. I'd say closer to hybrid assist, like Benz/BMW/Audi. That way it's the best of both worlds. And, waiting to release it is only bothering people, so Subie should stop fooling around and just release the damn thing.
@808wrx4 ай бұрын
The new sti is the TR wrx. It will be a electric sti, Subaru will be releasing 5 new electric vehicles here shortly. But its weird cause toyota supplies subaru with the ev/ hybrid tech and toyota is now focusing on hydrogen engines. Maybe we will see a hydrogen sti
@carswithsepp4 ай бұрын
Nice points man. It’s gonna be interesting what Subaru comes up with
@dhanipersaud62274 ай бұрын
I really think the reason why we didn't get an STI, this generation, is Toyota ownership. I think Toyota didn't want the STI and GR Corolla/Yaris competing for the same small piece of the pie. Therefore, if the STI comes back it can't step on the GR Corolla/Yaris toes and that means potentially pushing it upmarket. However, Subaru doesn't seem to want to compete in that premium sporty market. They tried with the bl/bp Legacy and GR WRX, in retrospect, they didn't do too bad. However, in that same time period, Outback sales took off and Subaru has been copying that pattern ever since. Making everything a big utilitarian value crossover/suv. Now Subaru only offers sporty cars where there is no competition for their product(WRX, Levorg and BRZ).
@carswithsepp4 ай бұрын
Oh I never even thought about Toyota’s influence. Toyota definitely can sway subaru to make sure their market share still isn’t impacted by a next gen STI. Good thoughts man!
@dishonestpanda-11064 ай бұрын
Toyota doesn't sway subarus line up on cars . I work for subaru and that is completely not true. The only reason they own a small portion is subaru needed a car plant and toyota sold it to them nothing more
@dhanipersaud62274 ай бұрын
@@dishonestpanda-1106 Toyota owns 20% of Subaru. That's far from a "small" portion and Subaru is part of Toyota Group. Toyota reports Subaru financials as part of its own reporting. Subaru has leveraged Toyota a lot. From entire models like the Solterra, using Toyota's hybrid tech and Toyota fuel injection system. I assume you work at SOA then? So then why no STI? At the time Subaru of America implied it was emissions and that they needed to dedicate resources to electrification. However, we all know Subaru of Japan is still working on ICE technology. Look at Subaru's pre-combustion announcement or US patent filing.
@Jez4prez14 ай бұрын
@@dhanipersaud6227 Subaru is an independent company. Toyota is not majority owner and has zero control. That is why when they do joint ventures, like the BRZ/86 they still had to negotiate with one another and do deal making, just like any other company does when working in partnerships. I.e. signing contracts, agreeing to give-and-take, etc etc. The only difference between this partnership is that Toyota has a financial interest in the performance of Subaru (that is what being a shareholder is). If Subaru share values go up, then Toyota asset holdings go up. Being a shareholder also gives you voting rights, i.e. you can vote for dividend, how to treat retained earnings, they can vote on CEO / executive salaries, and things like that. Subaru financial statements are published by Subaru Corporation. If Toyota is reporting anything to do with Subaru (without even looking at it), it obviously would be the share ownership returns of their stake in the company and any revenue/expenses from the partnerships with the Soltera, BRZ/86, manufacturing agreements, parts supply, and so forth. Subaru has a small stake in Toyota also. So they both have a stake in one another, which promotes further cooperation, as they both have a financial interest in the other company succeeding. Yet they're both technically still competitors to one another, but given that their car line-ups don't really compete with one another directly (as Subaru's business model generally revolves around focusing on more niche market segments / subsets where they think they have a competitive advantage - and their CEO has publicly stated that Subaru doesn't have ambitions to become a giant automotive company that competes with the big players, instead the CEO said Subaru wants to build cars that their customers love (i.e. to continue focusing on niche market segments and to build a small but highly loyal customer base). Hence, for the most part, the relations and dynamics of the two companies is actually very cooperative and complementary to one another. But in the end, like I said, as they're still separate companies, the GR Corolla would be a potential competitor to the WRX / STI. That is just a simple fact. But Toyota had zero direct input in Subaru not producing the STI. That was an internal Subaru decision.
@Jez4prez14 ай бұрын
@@dhanipersaud6227 so if we follow your argument, the actual logical argument would be "Subaru didn't want the STI and GR Corolla/Yaris competing". If the Corolla / Yaris really was part of the thinking, it was Subaru doing the thinking and making the decision, not Toyota. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason, along with emissions. Also add in the fact that the STI is an extremely low volume selling car (like most sport cars are). Subaru don't make much money from selling it (from direct sales), most of the value of the STI comes from being a halo car, and the PR and branding and brand awareness etc that comes about from having this halo car in motorsports. Yet over-time the STI got lost, after WRC it just lived on the WRC history, and then they tried to make it a circuit car (to focus on Nürburgring and time-trial events). It turned into a large family sedan with the VA chassis. Subaru is a fairly conservative company (around taking risk), and like I said, they generally only sell cars where they know they have a competitive advantage (not all the time, like during the EVO days they had a direct competitor, but most of the time this is what they try and do). They know they don't have the capital or economies of scale to compete with the bigger players either (hence why they choose niche segments). Outback is a good one, I think there is only 1 other wagon on the market currently. Crosstrek also is a good one, they saw a gap in the very small SUV market. The Forester was lucky since it was already well positioned to take advantage of the SUV craze, so the Forester is doing fine. Likewise the 86/BRZ - they saw a gap in the entry end of the RWD 2-door sportscar market. The Legacy/Liberty, however, can't compete, so it was dropped from Australia in 2020, and might be dropped from USA in near future. Anyhow, the STI will come back, and I wouldn't be surprised (I think it would be likely) that they will build it specifically to be competitive in motorsports, to have that halo car back into the brand line-up. The intangible value / brand value of the Impreza/ STI, given it's iconic rally history and public awareness is simply too great to not make use of it.
@grriceman7824 ай бұрын
As long as the darn thing isn’t an EV…
@carswithsepp4 ай бұрын
I agree
@rhamog85484 ай бұрын
Yea if it’s electric I’ll literally cry ahaha
@AntilleanConfederation4 ай бұрын
@@rhamog8548we will not buy. Thats how you protest.
@remissiveslave3 күн бұрын
@AntilleanConfederation sadly, you're wrong, people will buy it. Just like the re***** buying the mach-e mustang. Nit even car people, just zoomers trying to be hip to whatever the f trendy b.s exists.
@lucian71824 ай бұрын
The sti may come back in name and name alone.
@remissiveslave3 күн бұрын
Yeah will be as shameful as the mach-e I see bafoons driving all over the place now. Your fav car channels will cater to it to and find ways to support it and give it false praise, so they will keep their pockets padded, like the rest of the shill world.
@SamerANasr4 ай бұрын
Dream on
@Fwex4 ай бұрын
"subaru increased the power to a level the community wanted" and can't afford. They know we're some broke bois and need it to be under 45k
@Marbind4 ай бұрын
Can't wait for it to come out and see all the comments. “Who in his right mind will pay 55k for an STI?”
@lucian71824 ай бұрын
The guys that actually build them would. Hell my 21 limited ran me 43k plus tax new, So far it’s stage 3 making 350whp 420 tq on E. I’ve currently put about 37-38k into it.
@ps3alphagamer124 ай бұрын
Reason the sti isn’t available is due to Subaru’s entire lineup not being all that efficient. I rather them hybrid all the normie cars standard and leave the wrx and sti ice only, instead of trying to squeeze in the sti as a hybrid most likely during the mid cycle refresh. Hybrid just adds complexity higher long term cost (due to battery replacement after 8-10 years)
@FitWit-Saggu4 ай бұрын
I just got 2019 WrX sti with only 30k kms on it. Don’t tell me it’s gonna be better then that 😂
@ianholmquist84924 ай бұрын
It isn't. You made a good choice
@AntilleanConfederation4 ай бұрын
A VB wrx is a better than what most people think until they try it.
@dennisvilla244 ай бұрын
I hope that when Sti comes back it will be an all electric no more gas engine
@anthonydolan71074 ай бұрын
quit lyin
@K03sport4 ай бұрын
go buy a Solterra and let us know your thoughts afterwards....nothing screams rally monster like a 4400-pound 200 mile range car. How did the Audi E-tron Dakar Rally cars do and how much did they cost?
@Queso3054 ай бұрын
It's not coming back as a gas engine. Subaru as a whole has bad average mpg, so adding a sportier WRX to the mix will not be good. Every car manufacturer is striving to improve overall gas mileage across their entire lineups. Look at the brand doing well and what they have powering their cars.
@carswithsepp4 ай бұрын
Just have to wait and see Queso!
@787blah4 ай бұрын
Emissions would be the biggest problem. It’s a sport car and not good on gas compared to its competitors. Gas mileage isn’t what’s stopping it from happening.
@Queso3054 ай бұрын
@@787blah that's exactly what I said but with different words
@787blah4 ай бұрын
@@Queso305 so not exactly what you said. You said gas mileage and I said emissions. Two different things.
@heavenyang74444 ай бұрын
Not coming back….
@LJR_LIMITED4 ай бұрын
2027
@williambolton0134 ай бұрын
sure it will come back and cost 60k 😂 well 100k with mark ups 😅
@carswithsepp4 ай бұрын
Like the s209 haha
@SansooIan4 ай бұрын
They Had that ****ing Hybrid Design in their back pocket since 2005??? No longer worried about the sti. Take all the time you need Subaru. I would still prefer a 2.4liter high output instead though. But it sounds as if the car is already made. They just now have to adhere to the Moronic Federal Govt that does not take into account the Pollution put out by India and China alone.