Why the US is Losing the Solar Race to China

[@abuyusufabdulhakim952]

As the US is using semiconductors against China for geopolitical reasons, Bloomberg (without a hint of irony) worries that China may use solar panels for geopolitical reasons.

[@user-ox1rz6xx6c]

western criminal anti-democratic regimes know only lies and double standards.

[@careyfreeman5056]

They'd be doing us a favor. Solar is only viable (with current tech) in about 1/3 of the US. We'd be better off putting that effort and money into nuclear.

[@theburden9920]

@@careyfreeman5056 us is too dumb for not switching to nuclear. idk why they are switching to evs and wind turbines for their climate goals. If your a policy maker and you tried switching to nuclear these gas corpo would lobby against you

[@careyfreeman5056]

@@theburden9920 My guess is big corporate has invested in it heavily already and now the rest of us are going to be roped in whether we like it or not. Not like corporate America will ever admit it's mistakes.

[@theburden9920]

@@careyfreeman5056 they will never admit their mostakes because their mistakes is intentional

[@jzeng2022]

First, China itself has huge domestic demand for solar panels. In addition, China has a complete industrial chain in solar panels, and China's huge production scale and complete automated production lines have greatly reduced costs. The main thing is that China is not only a producer of cheap solar panels, but also a technology leader. leader. Don't complain about Chinese subsidies for solar panels. All countries are subsidizing them. Don’t Germany, Japan, and the United States have subsidies? Just like today's electric cars. When Japan and Germany controlled solar panel production and technology, how many countries could afford solar power? China cannot afford solar panels made in Germany and Japan, so it has had to develop the industry on its own.

[@catsilly819]

😂you are correct ，that happened everywhere such as the subway system hasnt been widely built in China since 1990s they find out how to built since the machine from europe are 10 times expensive than innovating a method by themselves😂

[@ericmccambly4404]

Basically stole American designs then are buying land on other countries by destroying the land mining for the minerals needed. We should build walls of solar and wind turbines along the border. Then we need to open and manufacture quality products again. Quality over quantity will set the market . We need to go back to drilling oil and increasing our foot hold as a leader in energy and then go all in on finding how to manufacture better but cheaper semi conductors and longer lasting batteries for electric cars to sell globally.

[@xiaotiansong6325]

The biggest flaw of this documentary is the deliberate concealment of how the solar industry in Europe and the United States maliciously suppressed China and how they used capital to forcibly acquire Chinese solar companies. Fortunately, they all failed, which allowed the whole world to affordably adopt solar energy.

[@user-id3ib3zr4v]

Absolutely correct

[@kabysummit5801]

I swear the US is holding back certain technologies for one reason or another.... F*ck I get it now!

[@thevindictive6145]

When solar first came out it was expensive. It remained that way forever until China entered the market. Well done.

[@robertburns3559]

Absolutely, Dude

[@raymonddon8875]

china is the future...

[@Cha-jq2po]

It’s normal that novel products get cheaper over time.

[@ValenceFlux]

There was such a pitch for green energy projects in 2008. I dedicated my life to it and a lot of contracts did not come through. By the end of it, it was clear they hired too many of us. All of the materials were made in China and some old timers would protest the imported material. The experience changed my life in ways I didn't know possible.

[@nmew6926]

When China sent taikonaut in space for the first time in 2003, Western media discarded that event as only for PRESTIGE. They said China would better save their limited resources and talents to develop their economy instead of focusing on space and moon landing. But China prove them they have talents for every domain.

[@LetsLearnEconomic]

It's amazing how the American media justifies emotions mimicing outright wish for death on China, and thinks "just the government, not the people". Who the heck are we to criticize anyone? Sounds like pawns

[@9aaaaaaaaaaaa]

those so-called "talents" are all trained and educated in the west.

[@user-ob6kw2ct1p]

If that's the case, you can only see Chinese people in Western universities. Do you know how many college students there are in China every year?@@9aaaaaaaaaaaa

[@wenbo595]

was true 30 years ago

[@richiesaracen]

​@@9aaaaaaaaaaaa the "all" shows your arrogance and ignorance

[@saltapozo]

USA always wanted a piece of every cake on Earth..

[@durexuncensored]

lol

[@AQuietNight]

So do the Chinese. And they are getting it.

[@user-nb6cp6kn3e]

hahaha，that's true

[@user-xq1wz3tp5z]

USA Made notable advances, before predatory accountants routinely operated companies as mere cash cows.

[@ksneoh3572]

Not just a piece, but the whole cakes

[@jaysu8669]

The question to ask is that why China has won all industries emerging in last 20 years - solar, wind, drone, EVs, etc.

[@bin.s.s.]

Their system plus high quality human resources.

[@shashanknepal9336]

Because it is not a democracy, which is a system run by clowns..

[@leeo268]

China don't care about protecting wealthy oligarch industry. They invest in new industry that will disrupt the old one. US is focus on protecting oligarch because of corporate lobbying.

[@valerievankerckhove9325]

The Chinese attempt to "surpass by changing lanes." They didn't compete too hard in fields where other countries already hold a massive advantage, like traditional automobiles, software, pharma, and yeah, chips until recently. Instead they try to gain an advantage in new industries where nobody has a starting advantage yet.

[@BSPBuilder]

High Average IQ Population + A Government with long term plans.

[@marktrinidad7650]

How dare the Chinese identified solar as the next big thing. Only America should have the right on the best big profitable thing.

[@ImproveYourMagic]

Jimmy Carter tried but Reagan threw a wrench in that wheel.

[@gunsumwong3948]

Chinese solar panels are 90% cheaper than the US. That allows US to get maximum profit selling American solar panels to its citizens. Your prayer has been answered.

[@henrylee8115]

haha lol

[@nannangao7256]

When cars turns to ev, power, electricity not rely on oil anymore, you will know solar Is serious alternative

[@TacticalMayo]

That's right only the United States 🇺🇲

[@hylimm]

If you can’t win, sanction them again! 😂

[@user-bm5tc4bb8v]

😂😂Democracy, freedom, fairness, Western sanctions?

[@widodoakrom3938]

True

[@silveriver9]

Sanctions don't work 😂

[@Muhammad_Ahmad_]

This is exactly what they did with Japan. The U.S sanctioned Toshiba and slapped 100% import tax on Japanese semiconductors which further exacerbated the Japanese economic crises

[@theburden9920]

@@Muhammad_Ahmad_ what works on Japan doesn’t work in China

[@qingzhou9983]

EU imposed close to 50% tariff on Chinese Solar Panel in 2014. That did not save EU's solar industry. You just simply can't achieve both increasing Solar Energy and Blocking Chinese Solar Panel at the same time.

[@theburden9920]

Thats because it doesn’t matter how much tarrifs you impose if you don’t have access to the critical materials you can’t build solar panels at a competitive price

[@qingzhou9983]

@@theburden9920 You are right. But US ignores this and EU is doing it again in EV cars. Both are political show. Their leaders know the truth, but ignoring is for political gain. Bad for humanity.

[@astronetstre]

The biggest obstacle facing the domestic solar industry is due to the American own oil industry. US oil industry is so successful globally that it become it's own weakness. On the other hand, China lacks reliable global oil network. It's forced to invest in alternatives in case of oil embargo by the West. That's where China megaboom in solar energy happened. US businesses, meanwhile, would rather invest hundreds of billions into more oil rigs than renewable energy. It's not the lack of investment. Its the success of traditional oil industries. Tax the oil companies and support the solar industry, and you will see real change.

[@AQuietNight]

Oil is important beyond fuel for your car. We shouldn't have to tax anything to help non-competitive businesses compete. China has coal and coal is still the first choice for electric generation. Also what is ignored is recycling solar panels, it is not a nice, clean business.

[@user-ml7rd9yk8z]

明白人

[@vlhc4642]

@@AQuietNight Oil isn't very competitive right now at China's solar costs

[@oceanwave4502]

The moment we realize China's CPC keeps its capitalism in check is not that bad. :) Capitalism should just be a tool, among many other tools, to develop oneself, rather than an ultimate goal. Jack Ma was put back into his place... (just a normal citizen, somehow got billions in their hand, doesn't necessary mean they can control the civilization)

[@alanmay7929]

It literally has nothing to do with oil lol!!!! Also from mining to installing to maintainance of solar panels materials, oil is needed! The grid, electric installations.... all needs to be installed/insulated improved and maintained too! That's also needs oil.

[@jackjhmc820]

China has invested hundreds of billions in green energy, more than Europe and US combined in any given year. Instead of wasting trillions on forever wars, even cutting back defense budget by one tenth and invest in renewables would help the industry a lot.

[@bl5608]

China renewable energy equals the whole world combined. China built bullet train network more than the whole world combined.

[@witch18Lho]

True

[@hurrikkkanes2533]

China already solidified its position in solar, wind, new energy vehicles, and recently since the huawei ban, they have been focusing on semiconductors from logic chips, rf, lithography, etc. in 2-5 years, we all know the result, ultra cheap ssds and graphics cards for the world!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@keli4068]

ultra cheap ssd is selling in China now，I bought a 2T ssd for 80 bucks

[@ezioauditore5616]

@@keli4068 what brand

[@keli4068]

长城。a Chinese brand 2.6GB/s read, 1.9GB/s write M2. It uses 长江存储storage chips @@ezioauditore5616

[@careyfreeman5056]

Not without stealing the IP, which they no longer have access to.

[@theburden9920]

@@careyfreeman5056 actually they have a lot of access to that

[@ricnyc2759]

"China graduates more engineers per year than the United States. In 2020, China awarded 1.38 million engineering bachelor's degrees, compared to 197,000 in the United States. China is the world's largest producer of engineering graduates." Xi Jinping is a Chemical Engineer. Next question, please...

[@reis1185]

Xi Jinping also have 3 PhD. The standing committee for example is required to have a atleast 1 PhD to hold any position in the central government.

[@puga4202]

@@reis1185 But they say Xi Jinping only had elementary school education, thats it. lol

[@xyliu00]

@@puga4202 like other young student at the time, Xi was sent to countryside during the "culture revolution". He had studied at Tsinghua University as a Worker-Peasant-Soldier student. However people don't take that into account since those students can be vastly different in knowledge and capability. So officially he only had elementary school diploma (in comparable to USA education system). BUT, almost every single CCP official went through trainings in provincial or Central Party School of CCP before qualified to be promoted to leading position each time. It is no easy feat. I wouldn't dismiss that just because I don't like Xi.

[@TacticalMayo]

Are you ready for war?

[@xyliu00]

@@TacticalMayo Not sure about US. But I think the Chinese answered that question 1950 Oct 19th in Korea.

[@joebloggs7058]

Even though I'm from an industrialised, developed country, I know that you cannot rely on the USA to push unless there is some reason for competition. USA did not get where it is by advancing, it got there by suffocating anyone else who was advancing, and claiming the win for themselves.

[@isoboy2125]

Didn't US jump start their empire through slavery? This strategy is a tough sell these days, unless you use prison labour.

[@joebloggs7058]

@@isoboy2125 Oh, slavery is very much alive and well, except they call it "employment". The USA is seen by other nations as "having a set of tools at the work site" but not necessarily controlling the operations anymore. It's through a series of their own misjudgments that the competition has gained a competitive advantage, and now USA has to use it's spanners in the tool set to kneecap the opponent, so that they don't get left behind. It's sort of inevitable though, other countries with higher numbers / more drive / inspiration are going ahead in leaps and bounds while America says "but, but, our military is huge, and, and, we have silicon valley, and ... Hollywood...." 🤣

[@vutruong7761]

Agree, US only advancing by exploiting poor countries and inciting wars for its opponents.

[@Cha-jq2po]

Idk man, last time I checked all this output came from the US, and they’re consistently in the top spots for innovation. How do you justify your statement then?

[@amandagrant4331]

The story of Alstom

[@user-st3im5ge7f]

Printing money is USA’s biggest industry, can buy everything,no need of manufacturing.

[@young1151]

The title should be 'Why the US is losing everything to China'.

[@vegamoonlight]

I concur. US' method when losing is SANCTION, SANCTION, SANCTION.

[@nicholasl5247]

US Corporate media said no ; They have dominance influence all over the world , and constantly fabricate multiple blatant lies to badmouth China ,such as ridiculous Xinjiang genocide accusation .

[@user-ox1rz6xx6c]

not in everything, nobody invents new genders and crazy cults like the US.

[@LetsLearnEconomic]

This is because the United States isn't losing more than what it's actually worth. So it may seem like the U.S. is losing things, but it's giving back what it stole and never truly deserved back to every one else in this large earth

[@careyfreeman5056]

LOL! So cute that you still believe this trope.

[@wawaMusicRadio]

Even if the US could catch up with the manufacturing capacity, how is it going to compete with the low prices that China has been offering to the global market?

[@BOZ_11]

they can't, and that's OK. you won't allow poor countries any advantage, will you? weak currency = strong exports

[@johndoh5182]

It would be hard. Most the raw silica is coming from China, and that's what's used to make the silicon wafers. Also, saying it comes from sand is misleading. You get areas of larger deposits of it, and it's those deposits that help keep costs down. They said about 90% of the world's silicon is coming from China, that happened around 2006 - 2009 where different mines were opened in China (shallow mines). And this is why a lot of people think you shouldn't waste money trying to compete, or throw large tariffs on panels coming from China. This isn't a drop dead technology. Chinese companies AND the govt. WANT to export these products. There's competition already in the Chinese companies. It doesn't benefit them to cut supplies. On the other hand IF they were to use that position and then jack up prices so the CCP can make a lot of tax revenue from this market which they aren't right now then I could see pushing for rapid development of solar panels outside of China. But you STILL need large deposits of silica. If there weren't tariffs on Chinese panels, right now the US would have a HUGE boom in installing capacity. Companies WANT to do this. Homeowners WANT to do this. If anything those tariffs slow down the installation,

[@sleepyjoe4529]

@@johndoh5182 Well said. US tariffs on China is the dumbest policy that both administrations have engaged and continued in.

[@neilbohrs5990]

That is what should be expected in trade. Poor countries will be manufacturing hub until they get wealthier and their currency stronger. Then manufacturing will move to the next poor country. Rich countries benefit from cheap costs of goods while poor countries benefit from income stream. Eventually everything gets balanced and manufacturing costs the same everywhere. Then rich countries will now have to work. This is only a problem in rich countries that are corrupt and don't tax their wealthy who benefit from cheap manufacturing.

[@zhang_han]

A combination of automation and government subsidies. The subsidies would have to be to try to even out the effects of any currency value suppression, and from that level playing ground, high/full automation should give parity or even price advantage.

[@LoveFactorySweatShop]

Q: Why the US is Losing the Solar Race to China? A: American hillbillies

[@Maharlikano_XYZ]

Str8 fax.

[@Walter-jv5kr]

Trailer Park MAGA.

[@siarnaqfrost4968]

China did it early and in such scale, reaped the benefits.

[@sleepyjoe4529]

It's almost as if their leadership requires years of civil service, top scores in education and gets promoted based on merit and not how they look/sound in their 30 second soundbite on FOX/CNN

[@rioluna6058]

I dont like the ccp but as a iluminatti candidato I think that was a great mové cheers to china🎉

[@orbitalpotato9940]

The US wasn't even a competitor to begin with.

[@TacticalMayo]

We stay number one or war☢️

[@vishaloza6981]

Well china would disagree with that considering they stole solar tech ip from the US solar firms

[@jonnyqi]

"Boost demand, make imports harder, support US manufacturing, and make production easier". Other than make imports harder, I don't see the US capable of doing any of the other 3 things.

[@walkingwithsandels5728]

Inflación will kick in. Your $10 shirt will cost $50 now

[@alanmay7929]

Exactly! That's what I was saying! The US has literally no chance against China in the solar industry

[@BestluckYan]

Haha😂 not only US, EU is doing the same.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@walkingwithsandels5728you think that's something wait till you see the war.

[@i6power30]

Dumb move. Protectionism will simply reduce innovation even more, and rising cost. In simpler terms, it makes American workers lazier and demand more pay for less quality work done.

[@trumpbuddha1053]

China is currently directing its attention towards semiconductor chips, anticipating a notable drop in their prices, similar to what we've observed with NVME SSDs. Have you not noticed the substantial decrease in NVME prices? This is attributable to the Chinese successfully advancing NVME technology and initiating local production in China, all competitors like Samsung, Micro have to drop the price in order to compete.

[@joekerr8334]

Hard disk technology is dead. The remainder three hard disk manufacturers are bleeding red.

[@alanmay7929]

​@@joekerr8334lol!!¡ you're too funny! HDD is still very alive and it's still getting improved years after years! It's the HDD that stores data's at data centers .... the SSD is just for faster accès or other purposes! Get informed please!

[@nannangao7256]

😂they are two different direction， one is to solve climate change, power problem. Another is to solve chips which integrate technology in an item small or big. China focus on solar power for a long time before US sanctions on semiconductor manufacturing(the time China has to focus on semiconductor )

[@backpackpepelon3867]

Looking at how fast china growth in recent time, I say give it 15-20 years, and China most likely will be the leader of microchips tech too.

[@user-rx7ph2xg7y]

Fun fact, since China developed memory particles, there have been no fires in Samsung factories and SSD prices have been falling. In China, you can already buy a 2T solid-state drive for 200 yuan. Therefore, the development of high technology in China will benefit mankind, but people who make money from high technology will be unhappy.

[@willeisinga2089]

I have 50 Solar Panels made in China. For 12 Years now. Supergood. Heatpump made in China. Inductioncooking No Gas Needed. I wait for NIO SwapNGo Stations in the EU. Support China ❤️ for Clean Solar Energy.

[@MBS_KSA]

While US is always talking, talking, talking, China is always doing, doing and doing. China wont waste a single second on making beautiful powerpoint slides, they just show the products.

[@Callingnone]

Kudos to China. Hardly a reason to spite them. US renewable energy adoption at state level politics ensured Citizens find it more more expensive to install roof top Solar in many states and then rely on conventional technologies that Local Electricity companies used. The lobbying that went on in states like Florida and Arizona is quite honestly disgusting and should amount to treachery for selling their own country. Only a country like US can invent something so useful and lose it all to greedy corporations short term thinking.

[@TacticalMayo]

China has doomed humanity to nuclear Armageddon ☢️

[@user-rx7ph2xg7y]

Fun fact, since China developed memory particles, there have been no fires in Samsung factories and SSD prices have been falling. In China, you can already buy a 2T solid-state drive for 200 yuan. Therefore, the development of high technology in China will benefit mankind, but people who make money from high technology will be unhappy.

[@mickeykwok]

👍

[@bobseetheworld3931]

The solar energy industry is currently in a state of intense competition. In the last round of solar energy competition, almost all players went bankrupt. Today, China's solar industry has produced almost all the solar panels that can be used around the world. It is almost impossible for U.S. solar companies to compete because of cost and technology mass production supply chain issues. If the United States adopts trade protection and sets high tariffs to block Chinese photovoltaic products, the United States will ultimately suffer high costs and reduce carbon emissions far behind the world's progress. It can be said that China’s photovoltaic industry has no real competitors. Because no other followers can be seen behind the leader. . . . .

[@user-xq1wz3tp5z]

Agreed. And while 10 years ago Chinese PVs were ~12% efficiency, now they are ~ 21% efficient. Impressive!

[@generativeresearch]

Expect China to dominate the energy landscape by 2030

[@CulturalXplorer19]

I'm pretty sure china already does

[@TheRealIronMan]

Not in the way ppl thinks, China will never dominate energy export, cos its still a developing country - ppl kept forgetting that, it means the majority of China has not fully industrialized yet, it means all the increase in energy production - however impressive - still cant satisfy their domestic needs, thats why even tho China is producing half of worlds renewable energy their oil imports are still drastically increasing with no end in sight.

[@CulturalXplorer19]

@@TheRealIronMan china literally dominates energy exports currently... You're dreaming bruh... Wake up... The United States is nowhere close and never will catch up...

[@silveriver9]

I've been to China, lived and worked there for over a decade. China is light years ahead of the US in energy technologies.

[@rioluna6058]

​@@TheRealIronManI see you based.

[@AlexdaCunha]

Making imports more expensive or more difficult means the products made in the country are more expensive/worse than the ones that come from abroad. This always means the increase in price for Solar panels

[@johndoh5182]

Yes, any LOCAL companies only worry about meeting the quality/pricing of what can be imported and adding a tariff on imported panels means local companies get to automatically price their products higher. I don't think it's worth doing for solar panels because after all that affects the cost of electricity in the US. And if the US wants to move to BEV we shouldn't be making our power cost more.

[@AlexdaCunha]

@@johndoh5182 if in the end this would stimulate the local industry to increase the production of panels leading to more value to stay in the country... is something the consumers also would benefit in the future, and could make sense. But the taxes should be reduced progressively to force the local companies to become more efficient and competitive... otherwise will be a permanent subsidy to local production that would not even be competitive in the open markets.

[@MeiinUK]

Remember one thing too. China uses those solar panels.. and I bet that they have an actual IP address to it as well. So this is why they say they wanted to ban crypto, but I doubt it very very much. Especially when they have already sent their own satelites and rockets into the sky.

[@nicholasl5247]

They had done it before , Both Eu and US and impose anti-dumping tariffs on Chinese solar products ,which almost wiped out China's solar industry , China turn to its domestic market to boost demand in Western China to get through all these hardship . Nowadays China's solar industry depend major on Chinese market .

[@Moyopheus]

​@@AlexdaCunhaWow I love this. It means in the process of actually helping a business with a bit of assistance is actually bad , because you are building dependency. Pharmaceutical vibes. Energy is a drug . We all need it.

[@jctai100]

When you have a fractured government (not to mention larger society) that changes every 4 yrs, speed and commitment towards long term projects are in short supply.

[@puga4202]

Exactly. I feel like projects only last for 4 years, then a lot of them either get cancelled or delayed over and over again. It is sad.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@puga4202China better be careful with the US. If takes the crown from the US that crown will melt in radioactive ash☢️

[@j.k.reborn]

This.

[@xinyisuoshu]

In the past decades, in the desolate Gobi and desert of northwest China, China has built a huge scale of solar and wind power generation, which is impossible for the United States to complete, and it is even difficult for the United States to build a decent high-speed rail.

[@jkuang]

US is not just losing the solar war to China. It is losing the chip war to China. And it is losing the EV car war to China. China does not just produce; it produces with efficiency and quality. They now can produce 7nm chips for their high performance Huawei Mate 60 Pro which, mind you, is also a satellite phone. And they are now the largest car exporter in the world, just surpassing Japan at the beginning of the year. And most of these exported cars are EV cars. These EV cars are loaded with luxury features, heavy steel frames and doors, and with the battery that supplies for the world. Yeah, China is the REAL DEAL. Make friend; work with China. That is the right decision.

[@vegamoonlight]

The US already lost the EV war to China. Even the US car brands are struggling to capture the lucrative Chinese market.

[@theburden9920]

Tbf no country has the capability to compete with China. Imagine if the Chinese sell semiconductors chip below the market price just like what they did to ssds and other industrial goods. All semiconductor companies will go bankrupt

[@TacticalMayo]

Wait till you see the nuclear war ☢️

[@jkuang]

@@TacticalMayo By then we are all dead. Nothing to see.

[@vegamoonlight]

@@TacticalMayo the US is the only government that managed to nuke a country twice during a world war. As for the atrocities that it has caused is something you probably want to happen again, making me think you are suicidal.

[@tobiwan001]

And US uranium comes from Russia too. Looks like more coal and gas power in America.

[@vlhc4642]

When you've been lapped so many times you lose count, there's no race.

[@TacticalMayo]

There's nukes though ☢️

[@ritu8985]

China also has nukes lil bro along with hypersonic weapons, so Mutually Assured Destruction, but luckily the Average American isn't as dumb as you​@@TacticalMayo

[@VshapeDino]

The woman in blue looks like that villian lion from Madagascar 2

[@creativewritersKE]

Why does the US feel threatened whenever it falls behind a competitor?

[@cuspcham]

entitlement (How dare you be better) and projection (If you are better, you would dominate us like we did), both bad attitudes

[@TacticalMayo]

Because we do not do competition.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@cuspchamwe won't accept it I guarantee you that.

[@richiesd1]

Why the tech competition? Work with China to transition quickly to green energy and save the world

[@TacticalMayo]

No

[@richiesd1]

@@TacticalMayo , what the point for primacy in a ecologically collapsing world? Monkeys are fighting while the forest is burning.

[@musicman53]

Tony Seba predicted the current cost and scale of solar in his 2009 book "Solar Trillions", for which he was roundly rubbished at the time. He has been yelling from the rooftops for 14 years that the dramatic solar learning curves means it would be outcompeting fossil energy by about now, but the Chinese were the only ones who took serious notice.

[@shinchan-F-urmom]

This is the same America that wants China to become a democracy 😂

[@Jem_Apple]

China is already a democracy…

[@twogamer7149]

Boosting demand is a critical element. US is a big energy consumption market. Instead of nuclear energy, boost solar energy in US market is completely within US own decision. In this regard, it is not all a bad thing that China has taken a lead. China domestic market is making this shift to solar instead of nuclear or fossil, which leads to much smaller CO2 footprint. That is a benefit for the world ecosystem.

[@AQuietNight]

China still builds coal fired power plants. Solar panels are tinker toy. When you need real power generation you can rely on, coal or nuclear is what works.

[@yudogcome5901]

Don’t forget that when the United States and other developed countries proposed carbon neutrality, they also included a premeditated plan to suppress developing countries. However, China’s counterattack exceeded the plan.

[@greggpon7466]

For the record China is going all in on nuclear too and has built the first thorium molten salt nuclear reactor.

[@silveriver9]

The only thing the US is commited to is military spending.

[@element2dd]

Xinjiang is China's main solar panels industry hub and since 2019 suddenly there has been tons of reports over Chinese government human rights issues and forced labor issues of this region and use it as the excuse of banning solar panels from Xinjiang. (Make import harder)

[@lvjinbin28]

because China is a doer not talker

[@tobiwan001]

The inflation reduction act is illegal under the WTO rules.

[@fredfrond6148]

Like the US cares if they break the WTO rules.😂. Any body else and it is death to them.

[@russli-lv2yc]

new flash, US is the king on Earth, he makes rules for everyone, but he is above the rules.

[@tobiwan001]

@@russli-lv2yc newsflash. This leads to retaliations by others.

[@tsarusar]

@@tobiwan001 shh Chyna BOT! Germany / allies and us / Japan etc.. Has been to nice to share market share with chyna! ungrateful manipulate people who either scam with trash stuff, fake companies etc. Most of all trying to take over evreykey sector then put ban on other countries like ban on rare earth to Japan.. Chyna is a copycat... They never invented something that was revolutionary like 1,2,3,4 industrial revolution.. And even if they invent something today, do you really think they would share that with us? They allso now spread hate on allies platforms all around the world about west / allies... Allso our big coperations that allso selling the country out to chyna.. it has to stop..

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@tobiwan001and we have more than enough nukes for every single one of you ☢️

[@JingZhangKingzad]

US is not simply lost, it just gave up in early days.

[@TacticalMayo]

If you haven't been destroyed in a nuclear war that means the United States has not lost.

[@user-rq7ih8gx7l]

Before china entered the smartphone market, smartphones were also expensive. But very soon they started to deliver smartphones with almost all the features of expensive phones in cheap price. Then other companies also had to reduce prices.

[@galaxymetta5974]

USA must be mad to imagine it could stop china progress. Just by population size alone, china has many more geniuses, scientists, researchers, engineers etc, invest more in R&D, has better government support, bigger market and a culture of diligence/discipline entirely lacking in the USA. Plus China has reached a critical mass to power its own rapid progress. Cheers.

[@ericliume]

How can you compete with China for the cost and productivity if you are not as smart, diligent and efficient?

[@user-rt6ip4kb1i]

it has nothing to do with being smart! US was never a big player for solar energy, there is a lack of interest.

[@cedriclynch]

​@@user-rt6ip4kb1i30 years ago the USA was by far the largest manufacturer of solar panels.

[@hongmama1245]

Let's be realistic, how long do you think US can continue to subsidize made in US solar panels? Hiring a person in US cost more than 10x and yield maybe 60% of productivity.

[@user-uh6wb3hm6u]

现在大家都能买得起电池板了，以前多贵，好的产品就是服务全世界人民的，如果太贵，只有几个人在用，那还有什么意义呢？

[@oppinionist]

China is so innovative.

[@leisurecide9478]

Losing? The US isn’t even in the race at this point.

[@willeisinga2089]

I love Solar Energy on my Rooftop. Thank You China ❤

[@gregcollins3404]

Solar panels are well under 30cents/watt wholesale while in most states, the retail cost is $3/watt. The problem to more solar adoption is utility roadblocks, NEC code foolishness like rapid shutdown, and building dept hassle.

[@john826]

in China it's ＄0.07 cents/w

[@john826]

in China it's ＄0.07 cents/w

[@yuluoxianjun]

Fun fact, since China developed memory particles, there have been no fires in Samsung factories and SSD prices have been falling. In China, you can already buy a 2T solid-state drive for 200 RMB(30 USD). Therefore, the development of high technology in China will benefit mankind, but people who make money from high technology will be unhappy.

[@CognitiveDissonance2.0]

The US should put sanctions on chinese solar power industry on national security reasons!

[@KUANGCHI-ot6tt]

Already done 😂

[@TojiFushigoroWasTaken]

China has a strategic advantage which it has capitalized over the past decade...no amount of money poured will make us the next solar manufacturing hub. There are a lot of problems like homelessness, opioid abuse, declining cultural and moral values,rising cost of living, privatization of housing market, declining fertility which needs those funds urgently but nothing is being done about it

[@mx-data-engineering-23]

How are you so knowledgeable about China, Peter?

[@acidtears]

declining fertility? how what why

[@TojiFushigoroWasTaken]

​@@acidtearshigh cost of living which makes couples work longer hours (rcauses problems in their sxual functions) for basic necessities like food, rent which inturn makes them prefer not to have them. Give it 10 or 11 years....by then the problem would've got out of hand and gov will THEN start to scramble and try to help but it will be too late A slap on solution to this is immigration and to get the depth of the problem in any country you can look at their immigration policy or the number of immigrants they accept in a year

[@TojiFushigoroWasTaken]

​@@mx-data-engineering-23i binge documentaries like this while i study/work 😆

[@Admiral-General_Aladeen]

Funnily enough China has much worse problems then the US

[@aivy-aigeneratedmusic6370]

Losing the solar race, losing the EV race, losing the space race, losing the resources race. And even semiconductor sanctions fail.

[@burakglobal7370]

America is not losing only in solarr but in every field from china😂😂😂😂😂

[@TacticalMayo]

Not true

[@jacksonjohn7644]

Only China can provide the world with cheap and high-quality solar panels, and do well. Can you imagine how expensive American made goods are? China is the hope of humanity.

[@Wooster77]

If the US hasn't done it yet, they never will. Even Elon Musk has failed at it.

[@Mojavekight17]

Elon fails often

[@johndoh5182]

There are still companies in the US that make solar panels, just not to the scale Chinese companies do. Tesla has used their own panels along with Chinese made panels for their installs. And actually their acquisition of SolarCity has allowed Tesla to become more competitive using their own panels. So I wouldn't call this a failure. It's not a large success but it's far from being a failure.

[@musicman53]

@@Mojavekight17 He fails fast and often, that's what enables the rapid iteration in Tesla, SpaceX, and why they are so far ahead of any competition. Never, ever, bet against Elon👍.

[@Mojavekight17]

And how much money did he lost with Twitter? Tesla has lost value too! Hyperloop 🤣 live in reality@@musicman53

[@mccormick-livingstonedayot2542]

US is not GREAT COUNTRY anymore especially in infrastructure, Manufacturing, Investments and helping poor countries to develop. Its so sad 😔😢

[@mr.cosmos5199]

McComic, the USA never helped any poor country develop because Keeping them poor is the way of American hegemony. The trump America First is the way MAGA?😮

[@user-xq1wz3tp5z]

We in USA are living in 'late Soviet' era, with double Breznevs.

[@jonatanwestholm]

Not nearly as important as China's 90% dominance in refining rare metals

[@mdbiplopsorker6966]

Chin real Hero😊

[@nicholascage3699]

We will go for the cheap price !

[@xavier3098]

I’m confused. The US was never a serious player. Maybe the EU and Germany to start but they dropped the ball.

[@cman86s]

One of the other major reasons why the US is lagging behind in sustainable energy advancements is the significant influence of the fossil fuel lobbyists in Washington DC. Historically, these lobbyists have channeled vast sums of money into political campaigns, ensuring their interests are protected. There have been numerous documented instances where these financial contributions coincided with policy decisions favouring the fossil fuel industry over cleaner alternatives. Comparatively, countries leading in sustainable energy innovations, like Denmark and Germany, have more robust policies that limit corporate influence in political decisions. Thankfully, there seems to be a shift in the tide. The recent passage of the Build Back Better Act through Congress under the Biden administration is a hopeful sign that the US is starting to prioritise sustainable energy solutions over entrenched fossil fuel interests

[@floopybits8037]

underated comment , very true because for a decade congress is killing any bill on solar

[@cuspcham]

It's baby steps. It's a long way compared to China's robust industrial policy. And we can expect huge fightback from oil lobbies (and other traditional industry that may be hurt by development of new). There's reason for optimism, but there are many more for the contrary.

[@hyuxion]

So basically US is losing in every new industry, except for those traditional industries that US has huge advantage such as aerospace and semiconductor.

[@chrisyu98]

the commentators don't seem to know what they are talking about. completely missing China's real advantages are, sure we could compete with China under two scenarios. 1) US adopts the CCP methods. 2) China adapts US methods. otherwise dream on.

[@jarrodyuki7081]

china will cut siliguri and split assam with myanmar.........................................

[@kaylahyang1712]

When you check on Glassdoor, American employees are complaining that their white collar jobs were replaced by Indians. Are you sure manufacturing is the problem?

[@AntiWar_dude]

USA is not losing to China but it has already lost to China 😂

[@TacticalMayo]

If everyone is still alive and the world isn't destroyed in a nuclear war then that means what you're saying is not true.

[@hansolo8225]

In a commodity technology, You either overwhelmingly dominate with economies of scale or go bankrupt.

[@iuho3952]

cheaper solar panel --> cheaper electricity

[@hurry2011]

Jenny Chase, Solar analyst with BloombergNEF: "First Solar receives $0.17 in tax credits for every Watt of modules it makes in the US, plus getting $0.04-0.05 per W for domestic content. Meanwhile the selling price of modules in China and Europe has dropped below $0.15 per Watt."

[@AQuietNight]

The United States is stuck with an over valued dollar. the high value dollar ties the hands of American companies who export.

[@hurry2011]

@@AQuietNight Te US has only 2% of global solar capacity, that does not even cover a 1/10 of the US needs of 140GW. Very few manufacturers of inverter, one micro-inverter manufacturer that is able to export (Enphase) so the dollar is not an issue. Investors in the US demand high return on invested capital and solar energy is not that.

[@AQuietNight]

@@hurry2011 When General Electric shut down it's lightbulb factory people asked why didn't they make CFL bulbs instead? They said they studied it and found even if they didn't pay one person in the plant, they still could not meet or beat Chinese pricing. The U.S. does export some American made cars but very few. A few specialty companies export American made product but once again, not that many. Years ago while Reagan was president the dollar dropped in value. Textile mills in the south gained tons of orders from Europe as the retail pricing for U.S. goods dropped so much Europeans went on a buying frenzy. Yes, a few companies will sell domestic product in Asia. The market will be small and if the dollar rises those sales will disappear.

[@Ilovecruise]

@@AQuietNight if you want the dollar to go down, the fed have to decrease the interest, which would mean massive inflation which biden adm is already struggling to manage.

[@pyrophobia133]

"losing", we already lost.... like 10 years ago

[@TacticalMayo]

Well there's not mushroom clouds everywhere so that means we haven't lost.

[@vorlon81]

America needs Enemies Everywhere and Everytime 😂

[@rs-dp6pr]

Losing to, sanction, threat.. American media is like an obsessed girlfriend who got dumped.. it's pretty pathetic.. why don't you focus on yourself and just be better..

[@user-xq1wz3tp5z]

Well said, thank you.

[@QuietJugung]

Protectionism

[@mampfi]

5:44 the video compression makes joe even more creepy! 🤣

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@lyttlebee]

US stopping containing and instead getting along with China is the only way forward for not only the benefits of the two countries, but the whole world.

[@TacticalMayo]

We're going to contain them or we're going to go to war with China even if we all die. Those are the only options there is there is no other option we will make sure of it.

[@haoli5779]

The US need to built its own solar panels? If I can print the dollar by using my Brother printer at home, I will definitely just buy everything from any seller that accepts my self printed money.

[@pangtianran110]

Long story short China have enough surplus energy to make solar panel American don't

[@vicentvanmole]

most credit to leaders who set forth great policy .Cannot blame China .From solar to chips to auto

[@eldios831]

I have to ask....does everything have to be a competition...if the world is moving sustainably and the contribution is coming from Mongolia or Timbuktu I think that's a positive for humanity....sometimes these super powers are exhausting can they please get their planet and move there

[@kevinlin4895]

Alas there is someone in the world who can't bear to be #2

[@eldios831]

@@kevinlin4895 from the rest of the world....we gladly do not care

[@yudogcome5901]

Don’t forget that when the United States and other developed countries proposed carbon neutrality, they also included a premeditated plan to suppress developing countries. However, China’s counterattack exceeded the plan.

[@johnmaris1582]

That depend on your world view. American exceptionalism claim that US dominance of the world safeguard freedom and prosperity for all as opposed to fascism or communism which are around the corner if it wasn't for the strong, powerful, noble and righteous hero that is USA. So China win means the end of freedom and prosperity for all and the triumph of evil that is Communist China.

[@rioluna6058]

​@@yudogcome5901source? Give me the sauce.. THE SAUCE

[@taro7145]

The US wants its own industry but if you ask anyone who would work for $400 a month in a factory nobody would do it.

[@JigilJigil]

China has been heavily subsidizing it's solar industry for decades, they still do, that's how they dominated this industry like many others, we are speaking about 100s of billion of dollars of subsidies over the last 2 decades.

[@johndoh5182]

The US was subsidizing the market too but oil companies were big players in the US. What Chinese companies have access to is low cost silica. The US through decades of making ICs have exhaust their bigger deposits of silica. This gives Chinese companies a bigger advantage. Chinese silica is sold on the global market, but just a wild guess the Chinese companies pay less for it. It would be a rare company where that isn't true. Chinese companies improved the manufacturing of solar panels over many years, so this isn't ALL about an unfair advantage because of subsidies. Part of this is called persistence and a SHARED goal between the govt., companies and people. In the US you can't even get businesses and govt. to be on the same page and the people are either for solar or blindingly attack it.

[@temper44]

Germany subsidized solar with $20bn as well.

[@astronetstre]

Look at how much US gov subsidize oil industry. Compared to oil, its just peanuts. Its not the lack of money. The main obstacle in US solar industry is the super successful oil industry.

[@vhrui904]

Biden sent 300 Billion to Ukraine...😁😁

[@vhrui904]

Too Little...Too Late...Too Lazy....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@user-xq1wz3tp5z]

Too befuddled, confused, conflicted. Where is the shelf for (Democratic/Christian/MarketFundamentalist/LGBTQn) PVs??

[@martinsoos]

Without pumped hydro mixed with other batteries and high voltage DC power lines, solar will always just be a side show for off grid.

[@StephenYuan]

People who say the Chinese economy are about to collapse need to look at this. A boom in solar and the digital economy created growth this year despite the property sector's negative gdp contribution.

[@stevesmith-sb2df]

We need open standards so utilities can use our solar power as a virtual power plant.

[@minhoonoon9443]

US, pls build your own solar panels instead of bitching about cheap Chinese solar panel.

[@danieljung21]

QUICK CORRECTION: The image at 4:18 is of a Hanwha QCells facility, which is a Korean (not Chinese) industrial conglomerate with solar factories in both Korea and the United States (Georgia). The signs on the factory are also in Korean, not Chinese.

[@coco-sw7ce]

You have observed it carefully. It doesn’t affect China‘s photovoltaic leading the world.

[@cuspcham]

Nice eye. But that could be Hanwha's factory in China though. Upon quick check they have one there as well

[@sequencemain5873]

indeed

[@_Forsaker]

@@cuspcham no,im sure thats in Korea not China.because the vehicle license plate in China are blue or green，and this place is white

[@silveriver9]

The only thing the US is commited to is military spending.

[@srikark3532]

I support the Inflation Reduction Act.

[@XJLCA]

Says an Indian.😂

[@user-xq1wz3tp5z]

It stimulated a lot of investments....

[@michaelvanallen6400]

*According to the IEA (Int. Energy Agency), an incredible 217 GW of PV capacity was installed in China in 2023.* *This means that China installed 6.5 more than the USA (33 GW)!* China installed 148% more than in the previous year! And China exported 200 GW. 55% of global green electricity capacity (= wind, solar, hydropower, etc.) in 2023 was installed in China alone.

[@waskhp]

This video seems more like election compaign for biden

[@acidtears]

and next term it'll seem like a propaganda video for president schwarzenegger

[@Apjooz]

Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

[@BSPBuilder]

Biden is the MAN!

[@blackknight4996]

IS LOSING😂😂？？ Lost completely for a decade! What are you dreaming?

[@ltrond]

I heard Trump is comming back in 2024, he would destroy Biden's plan and make US great again.

[@ablam8]

First thing Trump did was give the rich a huge tax break. My Nephew is a long haul trucker, and Trump took away his per Diem, which cost him $4,000 per year. Get real.

[@user-xq1wz3tp5z]

@@ablam8 Stop that. You are threatening American's dignity!

[@verbfvier640]

thank you Biden, love from China❤️

[@Baruk107]

America has the same obsession lately about China that they used to have about Russia