Why the WRC is set to DROP hybrid in 2025 - the crisis continues

[@DoodlezMusic]

The only gripe with hybrid is the entry cost for manufacturers. It's sad that it's been 4 years almost and we still have the same 3 players; Toyota, Ford and Hyundai.

[@namefinder]

which manufacturer can you now attract by dropping hybrid?

[@Lancr-jq2or]

​@@namefinder jeep.

[@Andy_ATB]

What have hybrids brought to the WRC? Manufacturers? Well no extra have joined, so that's an epic fail. And as ex-Ford manager, Gerard Quinn has consistently said, they get nothing out of it, as it's not their hybrid - so you can't even market the hybrid as a selling point.

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@Andy_ATB absolutely. If they had been able to use their own technology, they would have had something to market at least. Instead we have an expensive, unreliable system that offers no value

[@paul106xsi]

To an outsider it looks as if Ford, Toyota & Hyundai are unable to build a reliable hybrid system. It must be damaging sales more than anything else.

[@peterwoodhead2569]

Irony from Ford as they were the ones that forced WRC’s hand in to going hybrid in the first place.

[@SteveAndrewsGaming1973]

Lets get back to basics ....period

[@elisterr9913]

Then this is no longer a manufacturers championship. WRC is based on the same point as F1. The winners are the ones that make the car.

[@PescaraProductions]

Tell you what DOESN'T need a hybrid unit? A Rally2 car You know what all of the Rally1 manufacturers, and a few others have available to buy? A Rally2 car You know whats also cheaper to purchase and run over the course of a WRC season? A Rally2 car You know what has more relevance to a vehicle being sold today on the road? A Rally2 car 🤷‍♂️

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@PescaraProductions yep, Rally2 is still the right direction for the rules

[@Barry.ONeill]

Rally 2 cars are boring, bring back full areo cars of 2017 only instead of 380 hp, 580hp 👌🤙💯

[@PescaraProductions]

@@Barry.ONeill people said that for Group A and that lead into arguably the most competitive rally era in WRC history, so whilst it's not the most thrilling choice currently and its pretty clear that the FIA havent a clue what to do next, it would be a decent stop gap for the time being. Wind the power up at a later date perhaps and remove the restrictors

[@Peanutdenver]

@@Barry.ONeill I'm with you 100% on this...if we can never see the return of an unlimited Group B WRC this is pretty damn close to it.

[@suprafan246]

@@Barry.ONeillexactly. The sport will be boring with just a rally 2 car.

[@niklikar5381]

I think it's a good move for the current situation. Hybird honestly doesn't add that much apeal for the average viewer, moreover it was initialy meant for manufacturers attraction and considering that even the teams are against hybrid for the costs the sport might be better of without hybrid for the next few years. Hopefully FIA learned something for the next ruleset in order to prevent such issues.

[@maximumattackrallying]

I hope you're right about them learning - they definitely need to! You're probably right that ditching it is sensible in the short term. Maybe it will encourage a couple of privateers with the reduced costs. One thing is for sure, we absolutely HAVE to get the next set of regulations right!

[@toweleeielite]

sound, boost the HP to 400 and allow higher torque through the rev range as i think boost is currently limited to 2 or 2.5 bar

[@Barry.ONeill]

The engine already has 380hp it needs 1 or 2 hundred more so 480hp or 580hp, Boost is not limited the turbo has an inlet restrictor . You can run as high of boost as you want won't give you more power though, these cars squeeze every last newton meter of torque they can with that restrictor

[@bojanobradovic280]

So long as viewers can't relate WRC cars to ones they can own and drive it will never be successful in terms of viewership. It won't matter if they are electric, hybrid, or NA. 1997 to 2010 homologation regulations (2500 units sold only) were some of the most cost effective, popular, and successful in the history of the sport. Going down the F1 route is a huge mistake. Watching professional rally drivers handle modified versions of road cars on public roads was what made WRC fun to watch. Yes, there are other rally classes that do this today, but they are not the pinnacle and rarely televised, and certainly not consistently. There will be those that will argue that you can't go backwards in terms of power and aero but that's what happened after Group B era ended and sport was still successful, even though, unlike today, Group B was crazy popular.

[@prodrive7105]

97-onwards WRC regulations demanded 25.000 units of the base car to be built within 12 months, not 2500. Group A was initually 5000 units but was reduced to 2500 units in 1992-ish. But the big difference was that where Group A demanded a car with the same drivetrain and suspension layout, turbo and intercooler size, same base engine etc, WRC only demanded the body type to have been produced in 25.000 units, the rest could be changed and the base engine could be taken from another model in the manufactures range (Corolla WRC initually used the Celica GT-Four engine before swithing to Lexus IS200 base engine for example)

[@wiegraf9009]

This is a fact, but what do you do when manufacturers are all moving to stupid SUV and CUV monstrosities to cash in on fat profit margins? These cars are in no way suited to rallying. If regulators actually put their foot down on bloat in vehicle size things would go our way but that isn't the trend...

[@bojanobradovic280]

@@wiegraf9009 Last I checked manufacturers were still producing sports hatches and sedans such as Yaris and Corolla RS, WRX, Ford Focus and Fiesta RS, and so on. It's a perfect way to make those cars more popular again, but SUV's and CUV's will always be there and there is a place for them. In fact, I would love watching onboards of these vehicles being driven in WRC. It would be way more interesting then the boring spaceships they have now. I can see these current WRC1 cars being interesting as a spectacle, like seeing them for the first time (sort of like fireworks), but not for someone who understands and appreciates motorsports and wants to follow a season of WRC as a sport and not just a one time experience. F1 has also become this now that people that watch it don't really understand what they are watching.

[@sbrader97]

​@bojanobradovic280 They have stopped making the fiesta its been discontinued in favour of the more profitable puma and the focus is also due to be discontinued next year aswell so ford will only be making crossovers and rebadged volkswagen evs soon

[@bojanobradovic280]

@@sbrader97 Yes, that's more due to economic realities of today which will change, as they have many times in the past. No issues with the Ford Puma. I think my point is that the WRC version bares no resemblance to the road version so it really isn't a Ford Puma, is it? That is my point. As long as the WRC cars don't closely resemble their road counterparts no one will watch it. Barely anyone does now anyway. This is not closed circuit racing so it shouldn't follow that model.

[@l555mat8]

At this point the WRC might just be better off having having no set formula and allowing an open book for manufactures. A minimum weight, some sort of power to weight derivative and a floor plan / chassis based on a production model. All power types welcome, EV, ICE, Hydrogen etc. charging time is deduced from overall service time for EV’s (as they also have few mechanical parts). It can’t be no worse than the current state it’s in.

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@l555mat8 that's what I would really like to see happen in 2027. Get back to a production based chassis but allow the manufacturers to innovate with other parts of the car. It's become a bit formulaic recently

[@TunturiBreak95]

That is great idea but the problem lays deeper and have to look the bigger picture. Todays world have only handfull of car manufactors and the half of that are already competing.

[@skylineXpert]

Its all about cost in the end. A rally2 is cheaper than a rally1. But the rally2 is closer to showroom than rally1.

[@maximumattackrallying]

Switching to Rally2 is still the best solution in my view

[@xCUSEMEKx]

​@@maximumattackrallyingwrc2 needs another 150hp and facelift for that

[@maximumattackrallying]

@xCUSEMEKx why though? A well driven Rally2 car is spectacular

[@xCUSEMEKx]

@maximumattackrallying market will suffer from over saturation. WRC 1 should always be cutting edge in some way.

[@jamesharmon1995]

100% agreed with everything you’ve said. It’s a real shame the damage that’s been done.

[@maximumattackrallying]

Thanks for your comment! Yeah that's the worst part really. It's just made the WRC look incompetent

[@RyansRoadToRally]

Solid insights. I don’t know if I have a solid opinion on it either way, but they certainly seem to be flailing, which is the last thing the sport needs right now.

[@johnbowie4869]

As a marshal at CER last month i can tell that you do feel the vibe is weird and sad tbh, it feels wrc has lost on its excitement and direction

[@MotorVidz]

Problem is also the calendar. I tour de corse Gone, Germany Gone (trier), San Remo Gone, RACC gone, Wales GB gone Argentina gone, Mexico gone. A lot of those rally's are still big and have a decent amount of participants. It seems like WRC went the same route as F1 trying to use the name for countries to promote their country/region but as a consequence the classic rounds can't remain on a calendar. It's like the F1 calendar is each year getting closer to dropping spa. To me the outcome seems that wrc needs the classic bigger rally's more then they need WRC. CER is good for being in the middle of Europe but it's lacking heritage. It's good tho that rally islas Canaria is back next year as that is a big rally, but I doubt spectators will pay the expensive plane tickets as it's on an island. (Same could be said about tour de corse tho)

[@Silentpartner2176]

Wrc went woke, so now it’s going broke.

[@dereklatshaw3017]

It just doesn't make sense. All 3 of these MFGs have been making their own hybrid systems for 2 decades now, but they are forced to buy one from a 3rd party so obviously there is no connection whatsoever to their road going models or brand. Then you have situations like CER a few weeks ago where 4 of the 9 Rally 1 cars had an inoperable hybrid unit in the first leg of the rally that couldn't be fixed until service, and the teams aren't the ones allowed to do it. Why would a MFG want to pay to have to run someone else's junk that could ultimately cost them results and make them look bad to when it isn't working consistently? That's without even touching cost...

[@constantinegiotopoulos3033]

I'm on all fours on hybrid on WRC. But single supplier is the worst implementation they could have come up with. F1 and WEC especially allowed each manufacturer come up with their own design, actually allowing some know-how to be built up on the technology. Single supplier is absolutely meaningless.

[@tjroelsma]

Agreed, it would make much more sense to allow the car manufacturers to use their own hybrid systems.

[@justanotheraveragejoe]

Also we hardly ever hear the mention of the use of sustainable fuels they are now using. To me this is the biggest story regarding net zero etc.

[@Avatar711Wizard]

I'm literally just commenting because I noticed all the comments got a big red heart from the channel. 🤞

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@Avatar711Wizard haha it's important to show the love! I appreciate everyone that takes the time to watch and get involved 😁

[@Tedkelvin]

We need an open formula on powertrains limited to 2.5L. v6,v8,v4 i4,i5,vr6,vr5 and 2017 full aero and active diffs. And sell them to the public as Porsche GT3 eating supercars

[@mcgeemcgee3539]

The weight distribution with out the hybrid system should be huge positive impact on the drivers performance anyway.👋

[@garyclarke1086]

The smells and sounds of historic rallying is more enjoyable to spectator. personally, I'd like to see showroom cars with a cage harnesses and tyres doing 7 day events around the country, stamina and build quality are what should sell any car, reputation not a badge.

[@dmytroklevackyi]

Finally! Pure combustion power returns to WRC!

[@corneliusbotha369]

Compact dynamics having the only hybrid system just seems like the typical greed monopoly mindset would step in.

[@meverkko]

WRC needs to get cheaper. The classifications with the cars have to be clear and simple enough to get new manufacturers and more competitive cars on the start line. This would also make it possible for private drivers to enter. Honestly I don't mind if the power and speed goes down a bit if there are more cars and more competition.

[@maximumattackrallying]

Absolutely. That's why Rally2 makes so much sense. Sure, the cars are a bit slower, but they're relatively affordable, more attractive to manufacturers (evidenced by the fact there are more involved already), and far more relevant to people. Like you say, more cars and competition will instantly increase the spectacle, even if they're not ultimately as fast.

[@justanotheraveragejoe]

So we keep hearing the term "road relevant" but since when has space frame chassis and carbon fiber body panels, or indeed huge aero, been relevant to mainstream road cars? Other than the increased safety levels of these cars how do they significant different from old group B? Rally cars should be based on production body shells, albeit heavy modified. This is the essence of rallying and it makes it acceptable to more competitors. Just look at Rally 2. Give them more power, 7 speed gearboxes and active diffs. All established tech and in relative terms more affordable and maintainable. And as I say more accessible so equals more entries. Rallying is not F1.

[@lucailacqua7753]

A moto2-style hybrid system would be great to push innovation and keep low costs. Every manufacturer builds his hybrid system under X money. Anyone can buy one from the competitor and every competitor has to put its used one for sale at the end of the weekend.

[@Buffalobulltofta]

What a mess. Yet, Sesks outing proved that pace will not suffer immensely to the point where it will be to nurfed to watch. Biggest problem is probably for Munster who will have to get used to beeing passed by R2 cars...

[@paul106xsi]

🤯 I would have thought there'd be alarm bells going at compact dynamics. The WRC must be giving them a fairly chunky Income. They should just scrap the service plan and everything is back to normal. It's a complete joke though, compact dynamics have provided a substandard product and now they want to charge every time it goes wrong. If it was a reliable system this wouldn't be an issue.

[@afrojo49]

Thank God! Now time for F1 to step up and do the same!

[@c4wrc]

If they dont go rally 2 look more like the showroom cars then they might as well just go N/a V6 special in rally1 lets have some sound😂

[@tangerinedream7211]

With the economies globally as they are, adding cost and complexity isnt going to grow the teams competing, either WRC or the BTCC. It hasnt added to the spectacle in any way . Its all proved over the last few years that hybrid works technically, so its done its job.

[@Pete68T]

The Problem with WRC is there are only 3 Factory Teams ,It does not matter what the cars are if there worth watching But if there are only 12 or so Top cars Then whats the Point of Going around the World ? WRC needs more Top cars to make it worth doing,But as car manufacturers are having to make there EVs what is there worth bothering with ? Motorsport is worse now and wont get better.

[@CobraAce04]

Not even 3. 2 and a half. M-sport is an overglorified privateer effort

[@X2011racer]

And yet NASCAR only has four manufacturers, Dodge, Ford, Chevrolet, and Toyota. ...maybe that's a bad example as they play on even ground unlike the WRC.

[@hughsyson1509]

A very useful video - thanks! I was a huge fan of F1 for 30 years, but I now prefer the WRC. I feel it has cars that sound like racing machines, drivers who are arguably even more talented than circuit racers and the cars look like they’re being driven on the limit……. F1 is too sterile in my opinion now, whilst WRC gets down and dirty, so to speak…… 😅

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@hughsyson1509 thank you, I'm really glad you found it useful, and welcome to the muddy side 😆

[@bennyb.1742]

It is a very similar situation to what killed LMP1. The hybrid systems were such a massive performance enhancer, and SO expensive that everyone pulled out of the series accept Toyota. LMH/DH is a massively simplified rule set comparatively.

[@wiegraf9009]

For sure

[@MotorVidz]

Problem is also the calendar. I tour de corse Gone, Germany Gone (trier), San Remo Gone, RACC gone, Wales GB gone Argentina gone, Mexico gone. A lot of those rally's are still big and have a decent amount of participants. It seems like WRC went the same route as F1 trying to use the name for countries to promote their country/region but as a consequence the classic rounds can't remain on a calendar. It's like the F1 calendar is each year getting closer to dropping spa. To me the outcome seems that wrc needs the classic bigger rally's more then they need WRC. CER is good for being in the middle of Europe but it's lacking heritage. It's good tho that rally islas Canaria is back next year as that is a big rally, but I doubt spectators will pay the expensive plane tickets as it's on an island. (Same could be said about tour de corse tho)

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@MotorVidz it's definitely a tricky balance, especially when the classic events often struggle for the budget to pay (which is what the FIA want). I like that we're getting some new events but, like you, I think the classic rallies remain really important

[@DouglasThompson]

It should have been a button to activate it...not the pedal imo.

[@Lakedistrictrider]

They should speak to all potential manufacturers about what format would tempt them to enter teams and base the rules around that. Rally is dying because three manufacturers doesn't provide enough competition or interest. The hybrid system is a technology dead-end anyway. All car manufacturers have to go EV soon so that's the direction the sport needs to move towards if rally is to return to being a shop window for manufacturers showcasing the brands customers will be buying

[@maximumattackrallying]

I agree with the first part for sure, but the second part isn't quite so clear. In Europe, manufacturers are 100% being forced into EVs (rightly or wrongly), but the picture outside Europe is very different. We could see hybrids and pure ICE continuing for decades in some markets, which makes it even more challenging for manufacturers.

[@Lakedistrictrider]

​@@maximumattackrallying yes, but the vast majority of the WRC's calendar is in Europe and Europe is rallying's heartland. It's surely the European market that matters most

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@Lakedistrictrider You're right, but I do wonder if that can/will continue. With Europe seemingly intent on eliminating internal combustion, maybe we need to start taking more inspiration from other countries, and basing WRC cars on models sold outside Europe

[@Lakedistrictrider]

​@@maximumattackrallyingI may be wrong of course but if rally is to recapture the levels of the past it has to stay relevant (and cheapish) both to manufacturers trying to sell cars and the consumer looking to buy cars. Like in the Group A days. If there's cars rallying European races that no-one can buy it loses relatability. Arguably the space frame with hybrid boost does that to an extent. But the main issue is the need to get more manufacturers on board. I think rallying is in a really tough spot right now. Perhaps even beyond recovery. We shall see. The FIA seems clueless about what to do though

[@dmcasson]

Unfortunately, when we give up on ICE, we lose the noise and much of the spectacle that goes with the top flight Rally Cars. When this goes, World Championship Rallying really will be dead sadly.

[@bernardoberner4]

Theyll lose bursts of 130 or so hp, but I believe abput 80 or 90kgs, so the cars will be just as quick if not quicker in some circumstances

[@wiegraf9009]

It will really depend on the rally. The faster rallies with more straights will be much the same, the ones with lots of sharp cornering will be somewhat slower.

[@mundustephen6905]

Looking at drivers like sesk compete without hybrid system and delivered

[@glensubtorq]

Great news.

[@AlanDoveKarting]

Adds cost for no discernable benefit. WRC's problem is the fact that motorsport is culturally becoming less significant. F1 transcends motorsport largely, and picks up an residual interest. Everyone else outside of that bubble faces the same issues and questions.

[@mattred1200]

Should be nearer grp a, so people can watch on Sunday buy on monday

[@Luke-en2tk]

The UK based British Touring Car Championship(BTCC) has also dropped hybrid for next year. They are saying it should save about 50kg which is much better for braking, I wonder how much they will save in WRC 🤔

[@wiegraf9009]

Basically WRC needs to be more cost effective for manufacturers. Toyota most likely doesn't want to drop Rally1 but the fact is that they are going to end up in a championship by themselves, just like happened in WEC before the new Hypercar regs were brought in. A Hypercar-like spec which would be less restrictive about engine choice and open to manufacturing styling choices would be good. Hybrid? Well, it's nice to see these cars go like rocket ships off the line but we definitely do not want to see hybrid faults being a roll of the dice in every stage that teams can't do anything to improve on. The competition in WRC is still very compelling but there's no question that the series is in crisis.

[@RallyUnleashed-sm4cl]

The problem is Rally 2 is not what the Top class for rallying should be. The reason it’s so successful is its relevance and affordability for national and domestic championships. It’s great for what it is. Making it the top class, who knows.. it might affect the costs of the cars and draw people away and we repeat the cycle. WRC should be the top class for car and driver. The cars need to be unique, different and the most elite rally cars to drive. Look at WEC. The championship was struggling towards the end of the lmp1 days and the new hypercar regulations have boomed the series. What if they just settled for lmp2 regulations? It wouldn’t be the same. WRC needs to be the top class and the new regulations are crucial for this.

[@maximumattackrallying]

I'm not sure I agree with that. The top class of rallying was always affordable for national and domestic championships; from the earliest days of the sport right through until the 2017 regulation cycle began. The FIA/WRC decided at that point to create an elite category of car that could no longer realistically be run by private teams, which was a significant step away from the very DNA of the sport. One of the reasons rallying was so successful was because it was (relatively) accessible. A privateer could compete on WRC events, be it in a top-class Group A or WRC car, or in one of the numerous lower category Group A/N machines. The decision to make the top of the sport elite (and to pretty much double the cost of the cars) has fundamentally changed it, and that change hasn't been supported by manufacturers or privateers

[@RallyUnleashed-sm4cl]

@ Problem is as many drivers have stated you’re downgrading the safety and many other elements. Found this quote from Tanak. “We are reducing a lot of power in Rally1 cars where the chassis and the roll cage is made for protection. And then we are putting a lot more power in a Rally2 car where you don't have this kind of safety and things," The point being if they want to make a rally plus car like what was said it’s not the solution. Also you risk over saturating the market. Look at GT3 racing. It’s a great formula but oversaturated to the point now costs are increasing and the promoters need to get on top of this. That’s what I fear rally 2 will skyrocket in costs. Also don’t expect Skoda, Citroen and Volkswagen for example to enter WRC if rally 2 becomes the top class. There business mode is selling to privateers and the costs will naturally skyrocket and they may have no interest in becoming a full factory team anyway.

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@RallyUnleashed-sm4cl Tanak has a point, but I don't believe we need Rally2+. The cars don't need more power. The current Rally2 design is absolutely fine, and I don't buy the idea that they aren't spectacular enough. With top drivers, the spectacle will be fine. In terms of safety, we could also incorporate concepts learned from the Rally1 chassis into the next generation of Rally2 car. Ultimately, the space frame chassis is just a roll cage, and adding a double roll hoop and improved side-impact protection to a Rally2 car would not be that difficult. There is a risk that costs could increase if manufacturers try to develop Rally2 cars more, but I think that can be prevented with strict controls on regulations. Rally2 is already very well regulated to control costs (especially compared to Rally1). The business model for selling cars to privateers also helps, because it allows any manufacturer that joins the championship to offset their development costs by selling cars to privateers, which is something they can't do with Rally1 (or with the 2017-21 WRC cars). Rally2 definitely has some potential problems of course but, compared to what we have now, it's a far superior concept.

[@robertf9521]

Screw Compack Dynamics they have gotten greedy! The wlhole point of racing for manufacturers is a test bed for what they will eventually run in the future production .✌️

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

As much as I understand your points but strongly disagree with some of them. I am against hybrids in motorsport (with some caveats). It increases weight, production cost, maintenance and make service more difficult (speaking from experience from working on EV racecar). When it comes to spec parts, I am big fan of an idea, but without limiting them to single supplier. Just strict rules regarding design, production and cost of specific parts (similar to how LMDH regulations handle different chassis manufacturers). My favourite option however, would be more "open" ruleset with strict performance limitations and basic familiarity with a road going cars. Rally 1 experiment have proven that spec parts and higher speeds don't bring either fans or manufacturers into the sport. Bringing back road based rally cars (outside of relatively slow Rally 3-5 cars and "gimmicky" GT cars) might bring back interest of manufacturers (option to actually market their technology and engineering in motorsport) or at least allow more privateer teams to take their shot at top class in rallying with their own rally packages for road going models.

[@322tor]

Hybrid makes mince meat out of the tires. Also it's been show that when the hybrid isn't functioning the car is almost as fast. Rally is about high performance, reliability, weight. Tires are the same so it doesn't enter the equation. Rally 1 cars are so sluggish. they hardly resemble what a rally car should be.

[@firstnamesecondname8280]

I really like the idea of a hybrid WRC car but the implementation has been dreadful. I can't speak to any of the technical details however I can to the driving dynamics. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to have a system that acts like a video game needs to lose their job. I'm sorry (not really at all) but this is rallying not a video game. Even then, I think it's stupid IN THE GAME! I think they need to ditch the current system for a year and figure things out

[@banzai385]

Sustainable fuel instead of hybrids !

[@wordsshackles441]

Nice video, I like the kind of casual talk format, but I think you repeat yourself too much, to the extent that this video should have probably been around 5 minutes.

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@wordsshackles441 thank you for your feedback! I can definitely be guilty of waffling a bit, so no arguments there 🤣 I'm trying to work on it though for sure. I do a one minute news video as a short on Tuesdays, and I don't have time to waffle in that one 😆

[@ashleymoore1099]

Drivers asking for hybrid systems Thats insane cheaper is better WRC . It doesnt matter as long as they all have the same hp . 400 hp for all teams makes for great racing

[@oroborus2063]

Replace the hybrid with a coal powered steam engine with a 3rd co driver shoveling coal in the back, thanks

[@las10plagas]

what I think is the most boring about WRC is, that there are only 3 manufacturers Oo... if getting rid of hybrid brings in more manufacturers, then get rid of it!

[@Werferharfer]

I think they are gonna make is simple with hybrid.

[@SJSpode114]

So WRC and BTCC dropping hybrids- which series is next…

[@WhispersOfWind]

Like the drivers, I'm not for removing say some 100-130~ horsepower from the cars, lol.

[@fredjames9867]

Comes down to money even the UK btcc has dropped it to save the sport

[@emesar5233]

Hybrid is clearly a glitch for performance racing in the WRC. If they want more speed just bring back Group B Rally cars...PLEASE!

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@emesar5233 I'm not sure bringing back cars that were unsafe is a good idea 🤣

[@emesar5233]

@@maximumattackrallying 😆

[@Silentpartner2176]

Finally, they’re getting wise, they are now seeing that hybrid and electric is a bad thing for rally cars, fans don’t like it, teams don’t like it. It’s too complex expensive and unreliable without much benefit. If they wanted more power, there are other ways to increase the power without electric motors. internal combustion engines are just far simpler, more reliable, and a lot funner to watch as fans than electric motored, boring, sissy rally cars.

[@nerakomentaru]

Progress in the opposite direction. WRC is lagging behind.

[@omegacentauri73]

replace the hybrid unit with rocket motors

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@omegacentauri73 and add machine guns 😆

[@dsfs17987]

hybrid in WRC is like asking a top sports athlete to gain some extra fat so they can be more comfortable in winter and be more relevant to every day common person it was, is and always will be just a gimmick, and the idea that hybrid is necessary in autosport to make it relevant to road cars is IMHO plain stupid, nobody is buying Ford, Hyundai or Toyota hybrid because WRC cars are also hybrid even had to invent a new class for this nonsense... Hybrid in F1 is completely different beast, because of the repetitiveness of the course, and even they are simplifying it because it isn't relevant to general cars at the end - people buy hybrid road cars because of benefits to their driving experience, not because F1 or WRC car also has it, right now and for foreseeable future they, sadly, are luxury items, just like full electric vehicles, so here is an idea - stop robbing people blind with obviously jacked up EV and hybrid prices and you won't need to pay more to promote that idea in motorsports

[@bernardoberner4]

Fully eletric rally cars are not only boring, but also dangerous because of fires and all. They would be too heavy and teams would probably need to recharge after every loop and maybe after every stage so that just wouldnt work

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@bernardoberner4 we have to plan for it though because, based on the way things are going, all cars might be electric in the future

[@d-d-i]

@@maximumattackrallying It's kind of putting all eggs into one basket though. The race is on to find best possible solution to reduce emission (note: reduce, no need for totally get rid of them). I put my eggs into revolutionary emission free fuels, which hopefully come available soon even for public users. I personally think that rallying has evolved to a point, where it most likely have to turn into a some sort of adventurous show instead of being teeth-grinding work for the drivers and tech race for manufacturers. And what shows need? Noise. If we have only a handful of cars making noise, while 80% of world's cars would be electric, I don't see a problem.

[@AlanDoveKarting]

@@maximumattackrallying You can plan for it, but from a spectator point of view, if people don't watch, it's game over.

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@AlanDoveKarting That's true, but we have to remember that, over time, our demographic will change. While those of us who grew up with ICEs will mourn their passing, those who grew up with EVs won't care. Those people are the future, not us.

[@AlanDoveKarting]

@maximumattackrallying those who are growing up with EVs dont seem to share the same enthusiasm for racing them. The 'formula' of racing works because of ICEs. It doesn't necessarily translate to EV stuff.

[@davidshurterfoundermembero2885]

rally 2 with more power and aero. simple

[@Barry.ONeill]

Them hybrid cars handle like a bag of shite compared to the previous cars due to lack of center diff never mind active diffs Bring back Full areo cars with active diffs even just a proper center diff again the 2017-2021 cars that wer the best but make them have 5 or 600hp

[@maximumattackrallying]

The problem is, that would keep costs high, which is part of what's holding us back right now

[@martynrudd6070]

great news keep petrol doesnt make any difference to the planet, hybred and elecric are crap we want loud petrol engines

[@williamf9633]

go back to 2.0 four cylinder engines and up the power lose the hybrid

[@PJBlick]

I think the whole idea of hybrid vehicles were a dumb idea to begin with, imho. Seemed that the FIA, in their "infinite" wisdom, hit a false positive by seeing all these younger breadtube creators/influencers gushing over the hiccup known as Group B, and decided to have went with that over their actual golden era, Group A. Hybrid rally cars had made it so that you bottlenecked everything, cars, teams, drivers. You want more competition and competitors competing with a more direct race to showroom connection. All they need to do is have a proper graduating system where Rally1 (or whatever F1-inism they want to call it) being WRC2 cars with some added modifications. That's all they need because, go figure, they learned post-Group B that you don't need all that power to go fast in rally.

[@JM_570]

Hybrid and electric have no place in racing period.

[@maximumattackrallying]

Thanks for your comment. I don't think I agree with that. If it's done properly, it's fine. It doesn't hurt F1 or WEC. The problem is, the WRC did it in just about the worst way possible 😂

[@bestcrazyboy8487]

Who the heck wants to watch a EV Rally Car 🤮

[@RobertGaskin-e4q]

I thought EVs were supposed to save the planet and therefore electricity should power small economical cars. However the motor industry is selling EVs and Hybrids as performance enhanced cars. Hybrids in the WRC, BTCC and F1 is paying lip service to the electric car which is flawed and will fail unless range is increased and costs (incl charging) reduced.

[@bestcrazyboy8487]

@@RobertGaskin-e4q is just a big scam , climate crisis is load of horse 💩. The individuals pushing the agenda are the biggest hypocrites going .

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@bestcrazyboy8487 I'd rather watch EV rally cars than no rally cars at all

[@smokintabi9]

Most important changes needed to the cars : Limited Slip Differential + center diff 6 speed instead of 5 If not they miss the essence of the sport of rally of a nimble small car that can take corners like a hypercar not a 4wd truck. Even in the game EA WRC the rally 1 cars suck. Sorry for this generation

[@maximumattackrallying]

@@smokintabi9 the five-speed thing is so weird. It can't save that much money

[@siviunative5241]

Thank you Jesus🙏🙏.The 2 best news Trump won and Hybrid is gone from WRC

[@nickporter574]

😂😂😂MRGA

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

make racing great again

[@bozobaz30]

Could you chew some chewing gum to add to all the mouth slap noises.

[@maximumattackrallying]

If I setup an Only Fans account I can do anything you like

[@perfectman3077]

Hybrid is awful. Good riddance.

[@edithnganga585]

I only hope this is true. Hybrid is shit!

[@lonely_trans_girl]

By no means an expert, just a past fan that has lost love for the WRC over the years. In my opinion, rally is the most "everyman" motorsport. It should be more relatable to the people driving a back road home from work everyday. Group A was my favorite era followed closely by the WRC Car regulations that followed. Group A not only lead to some amazing homologation road cars but was so identifiable to regular people because these were massaged road cars doing amazing things! WRC was cool if technology is the goal. Active diffs and flappy electro hydraulic gearboxes made the competition more exciting and the WRC rules lead to more manufacturer involvement, creating a variety of competitive cars that were definitely more than the road version but still relatable. Modern WRC cars look like space capsules and nothing anyone would desire in their own driveways. Just my 2 cents. ♥️

[@TariqRasul-pw1vu]

Get it gone for good use bio fuel