Why These Popular "Christian" Worship Artists Left Christianity

[@brauliobl18]

My daughter died 5 years ago. I went through the deepest pain of my life. In my desperation and brokenness, I truly believe God spoke to my heart and asked me, “Will I wallow in my grief or will I worship my God?” It was so clear and so gentle. By His grace, I got up from the floor and began to worship. He helped me with my grief and guided me through the valley with so much love from the body of Christ, from His promises, and from His Spirit. I praise Him and now testify to His goodness to those who have lost. Thank you Jesus! Glory to Your name. Hope this encourages you all. You can trust Him, always.

[@RoxyChaos]

Glory to God for His faithfulness during your loss. I stand with you. I have lost a child as well and remember being brought low in grief and gently led to worship. I look forward to when we are both reunited with them again. ❤️

[@Maxgigo]

Thank you for this testimony, it is powerful and needed for all. I completely believe your child is with God and you are a child of God, you will be with them for eternity. I love you in Christ.

[@traceyray6498]

Childloss is a very difficult path.

[@sirianfelixbrightonesquire3247]

I’m in that valley right now. But I was gonna raise my daughter to be Christian, and compassionate, and I will not let that stop because she’s gone. If my Princess is with GOD, then I will trust in HIM. And do my best while I still breath.

[@mamamia4745]

Similar experience when I was widowed suddenly 2 years ago. God is so good. Everything in this world is temporary but He is forever! His ways are ALWAYS better than ours, even if we don't see it right away.

[@garylowrey6331]

After my divorce I went back to my old lifestyle of drugs and left the faith. I didn't stop believing I was just in despair. God never left me and I never stopped talking to him. I couldn't get him out of my head . In desperation I came back and have not looked back. I realized I was an immature Christian and let my circumstance shake my hope. Jesus is always faithful even when you falter. Don't put your faith in people but in Jesus only.

[@cjohnson2159]

Oh WOW, what an awesome testimony!!! Thank you for sharing 🙏🏾

[@dawnlauwrens3983]

I also realized I was a shallow Christian, after enduring something traumatic, I too returned to a life of drinking and so on....I didn't know how to deal with the pain.But God was faithful and He kept me safe, but prompting me to stop what I was doing. I can so relate. God bless.

[@thechi2848]

That means not putting your faith in a religion but in Jesus, Jesus never left us a religion.

[@anthonypipkin]

My path was quite similar. Twice! Looking back I am torn because I feel like a fool with the choices I made to “put God on the shelf” but I also see how God is using my path to allow me to minister in ways I didn’t understand before. Before I was all “drugs are bad and you shouldn’t blah blah blah” but now I am able to speak with more empathy and say “I understand why you may chose that, let me talk you how God helped me when I was the same way” 🙏 ❤

[@MSLILLY4533]

I love you testimony it's a perfect example of God's love for us. ❤

[@shirleygalligher4183]

I was having such a hard time dealing with the death of my husband. I prayed to God for help and one morning I had a lightness come over me and it was Him saying to me, "My child, I have heard your voice and feel your pain. I am here for you to lean on and to find comfort in your grief. Come to Me and you will find rest." Since then, my journey through this process of grief is not as difficult, as I know that the Holy Spirit is with me always. I am studying the Bible everyday and finding comfort in prayer. I know that, one beautiful morning I will be with my family in glory. With the Lord and Christ Jesus being by my support, I am truly grateful and blessed.

[@elizabethdanner3681]

I, too, lost my husband and cried out to the Lord. He heard my cry. My joy is different these days because I understand He is my joy. Still miss my husband. God cares and understands my mourning and not put off that I cry sometimes. I am grateful my husband is healed and resting with the Lord.

[@colincocks1335]

Amen, I have cancer, there will be that beautiful morning for all in Christ Remember, if you fall, get back up,, if you don't quit, God won't quit, God bless you

[@notyourtypicalcomment2399]

He had me up until the lgbt part. The Bible clearly states that they are reprobates and reprobates can not believe, so how are they going to be true Christians? If he says otherwise, it’s his word against God’s word. I’ll go with God’s word.

[@tadmoon8281]

People who claim to have been Christians and have walked away from Christianity are lying to you. If they were true Christians they would not be able to walk away. The fact that they want away from it and deconstructed himself out of it proves that they were never real Christians to begin with. I have scripture to back me up. 1 JOHN 2:19 They have went from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. This verse clearly states that people who claim to be former ex Christians have actually proven that they were never Christians to begin with. The fact that they have time to walk away from Christianity proves that they weren't in it to begin with. Jesus said in Matthew 7 that not everybody who calls him that not everybody who calls Him Lord will make heaven. They will say to him that they were Christians. He's not going to say that he used to know them, he's going to say that he never knew them. University of the Gospel says that Christians cannot be plucked from God's hands. That means other people cannot take you from his hand and you cannot walk away from his hand on your own accord. . Therefore those who have called themselves Christians in the past and have walked away from it have never actually been real Christians. And yes the scriptures I shared and reference prove what I am saying.

[@billyford7853]

I lost my leg above the knee then I lost my job. I struggled with staying faithful and ultimately stopped praying and haven't attended church in 4 or 5 years. Thank you for this video i need to do better. I had typed a bunch of other nonsense at first but, only half of it posted. Stuff about my wife of 8 years giving up on us and all that has nothing to do with Christ death and resurrection. Anyway, I've stepped away and need to step back and thanks again for the video it was more encouraging than you know. 😊

[@NeonAGC]

Stay strong in the truth! Christ loves you and wants to help you through every struggle and tribulation, to guide you and pour out His everlasting love upon you. Take heart in that if you have given your life to Jesus, you may lose a leg but you can never lose your salvation in Christ, and you can never lose His love! Nothing you can ever do can take His love away from you if you have accepted Him, and He is always waiting for you to return to His loving and welcoming arms, to say "welcome home!" no matter how far or long you've been away! ❤

[@nancymoore3430]

I am so sorry for what you have gone through. God has not left you nor forsaken you. You are a beautiful child of God and I pray that God gives you the desires of your heart.

[@XoraandYesus]

God bless you

[@debramichniewicz6384]

Praying God takes the scales from your eyes. And opens them to see the grace and love that shines from him God bless you!

[@rozsmith6850]

🙏🏼🙏🏼for your renewal and recommitment!

[@marycumming8461]

I was at a leadership meeting at a large church. There were around 500 leaders there. I sat up at the altar for prayer in front of all of them, battling deep depression and a huge health crash. None of the 500 leaders, or the guest speaker, even checked up on me. BUT my faith is in Christ, not people or the churches. Jesus predicted evil influences coming into the Church in Matthew 13. Revelation talks about how the lightstands of churches can be removed, so they no longer reflect Him. I went through about a year of feeling completely alone and suicidal, apart from my husband as best as he could be there for me at the time. Only God has been with me through it all, despite it feeling like He's silent at times. When I needed Him the most, He stepped in. God is good, and He also helps me learn and grow.

[@fasnuf]

You came through a tough trial triumphant! Proof your Faith is genuine. He is faithful.

[@dianetigert1310]

a room full of hirelings....John 10

[@memastarful]

I'm so happy you didn't give up

[@cm-kl2wx]

@@dianetigert1310 Many of these 'Churches' are nothing more than businesses masquerading as Christian...so many folks lack discernment...I believe that it's not by accident that the Teaching Ministry in many is so poor...keep the faith...

[@Surftouka]

Amen! If our hope and faith is in man, even Christian men/women, we'll just be disappointed. We have to remember something we say or do can disappoint others too. So keep our focus on God and God alone!

[@courtneywallace871]

One of my former pastors once said, “The question isn’t ‘once saved always saved,’ but ‘was the person ever TRULY saved to begin with?’” Hopefully, they will come back or come to a true receiving of Christ.

[@andrewgibson4132]

Exactly for you are only born again once and tye scripture says the walk with us but they where not of us if they where of us they would have continued in the faith 1john 2:19

[@Apollos2.2]

Amen

[@CCD_106]

Right, that is why I think the "once saved, always saved" doctrine should be avoided in most contexts as it requires more of a "strong meat" understand, yet it is often promoted willy-nilly to Christians still on "milk" which could EASILY give a false sense of salvation...🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@Apollos2.2]

@@CCD_106 Agree 100%

[@christianhenry4173]

And that's not a good question to ask. Peter denied Jesus 3 times and he was baptized with the holy ghost breathed on him before you get to the book of acts. So don't think people are not truly saved because they abandoned the faith because the word will tell you Peter himself rejected Jesus 3 times and he still was pulled back into his calling by God's grace.

[@brettk5762]

1 John 2:19 ”They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.“

[@LeRoiDansLeCiel]

Once saved always saved is easily proven wrong with the bible. The passage you quote tells us that some were never christians. Are there other passages suggesting that some christians leaves the faith? Well, yeah. Paul spoke about it, and even gave names.

[@brettk5762]

@@LeRoiDansLeCiel John 10:27-29 is very clear. It is clear that they were never Christians in the first place. I am not here to argue that point. It is still sad to see and we should continue to pray for these people that God would draw them to himself.

[@ogloc6308]

@@LeRoiDansLeCielDon’t just say “there are many verses”, instead actually post them.

[@jeremiahjones4224]

​@shira5438 you missed the point. The truly saved cannot lose their salvation, so once saved always saved. These people were self deceived and were never truly saved. They had a form of Godlyness but yet denying the power.

[@southboundfilms4138]

Look at the context. That verse was about antichrists. Not Christians

[@SunnyValley007]

It’s also important to note that : A lot of worship artists may not be true Christians to begin with. Often times, they initially try to make it into secular music but are not successful, so some turn to Christian/Gospel music to make ends meet assuming that it’s easier (which is not always true). A shocking survey years ago stated that 98% of Christian worship artists are not Christian (I only heard this from someone, but I don’t have the source, statistics is convoluted in itself anyway so idk). That’s why when some shocking news or scandal comes out about a famous worship leader, we shouldn’t be completely taken aback. It’s getting worse and worse. Amazing video, brother Allen!

[@babyangelchii]

I’ve heard about this many times. Kinda makes me wonder if the songs I listen to come from a real place

[@alancampbell6670]

"they then turn to Christian/Gospel music to make ends meet" Your comment assumes that it is easier to make a living playing Christian music than it is playing secular music. Not true at all. If that were true, all the unsuccessful secular artists would be turning to Christian music. They are not. And one "shocking survey" with that extreme statistic of 98% is meaningless with no link to it. I've been a worship musician for decades and met and worked with many many others, the majority are sincere committed believers. That 98% statistic is total BS. FYI, exaggerating the truth is the same as not telling the truth.

[@Deathhellandthegrave]

You must be god since you can judge their hearts.

[@cipherklosenuf9242]

Are you concerned about Christian Nationalism too? Christian Nationalists support right wing political ideology in the name of Christ.

[@manofthekingdom]

Exactly…spot on!!! Or, like Jon Steingard, who also deconstructed, some grow up in the church and just followed their family into it as young people, but never developed their own authentic faith. Then people find out they have a musical talent and throw them in the front the church based on talent and never confirm if they have a submitted heart! And once things start to falter in their lives, or the popularity fades, without a real love for Christ, they go and blame it all on him. This is a sad reality that the church just keeps on perpetuating!

[@m.riveram9217]

Great video! I was also disappointed with Audrey’s departure from Christianity. Her music helped me so much after the death of my husband. To be fair she has gone through a lot and is just hurt. I continue to pray for her. St. Ignatius says that in times of desolation we should continue to pursue God even if it is difficult. This helps me a lot when going through hard times. God Bless you. Thank you! ❤🙏🏽

[@judysimpson7791]

I don’t really understand how electricity works, or how plumbing works, but that doesn’t stop me from believing in it!

[@maxtryme1508]

Who cares ?

[@lilacicecream]

Obviously not you, but maybe I do?@@maxtryme1508

[@joestaton1998]

The difference is that there is actually evidence that those two things are real

[@QuestionThingsUseLogic]

​@joestaton1998 yep and there's none for god!

[@edcoronado]

All of those things are PROVABLE and have LOGICAL explanations. Queue the “you can’t apply logic to god” in 3..2..1

[@jjwallnutts]

I believe if you truly found God, you could never turn away.

[@Doxansq]

True but that doesn’t mean Christianity perse 😊

[@jjwallnutts]

@@Doxansq yes, it does 😁

[@Doxansq]

@@jjwallnutts nope :)

[@brockgeorge777]

Not ultimately and finally at least. But temporarily it’s possible just as we might say Peter and the original disciples lapsed on Friday and Saturday, but restored to faith by Sunday. (Contrasting Judas, whose “repentance” was really showing that he thought the sacrifice of his own unworthy life could atone for his sin and Jung himself so that “He could go to his own place.” Acts 1:25. Hence that’s why none were ultimately lost “Except the son of destruction *that the Scriptures might be fulfilled.”

[@JamesDirette]

So not 1 person can fall away and return? Life is hard. Mental struggles are REAL! Just because YOU think your faith is un breakable means nothing. You sound like the typical self righteous and deluded person this society has produced by the millions

[@humblesol4046]

I almost fell away myself. It was due to whole hearted unanswered prayers. I thought if I prayed according to God’s word and His will, then He would always answer my prayers. I had a pretty large prayer request for my myself and my family that went unanswered, and I was mad at God. I had a friend ask me, “do you think God is supposed to give you everything you ask for?” I hated that question at the moment, but then I realized that I was dead wrong. God is sovereign, and He doesn’t need my opinion on how He should be God. His yes is for our good, but His No is for our good as well. That was a tough pill to swallow, but His grace and mercy kept me through my dark place. God is goooood!!! Be encouraged body of Christ. Be encouraged those who have walked away. He is patient and kind and keeps no record of wrong doing for us. He is able to handle our questions and doubts. He is not mad at us. God is love and that’s why I serve Him.

[@gingercake0907]

I know God answers prayer, what loving Father would not talk to their child. God is great and worthy to be praised.

[@jessielynn]

If you’re praying for one of his promises and it never comes to fruition, I don’t think you’re being unreasonable.

[@jsphfalcon]

Or you won't like his answers. After all you might think you can't go to sleep, but David saw it as God sustaining him

[@VickiSmith-eg9oo]

That's a big one with me. Too many prayers for myself and others not answered how I wanted. Still hard to pray.

[@CrusaderZealot]

Don't forget some blessings from God can also make us arrogant and prideful and not only turn us away from God but bring our testimony into disrepute.

[@charmainehopkins2372]

Sometimes churches & pastors can sin so deeply against church members. A pastor physically attacked my child, and they blamed her and shamed her for being to godly & pretty. Then the same pastor cheated on his wife & physicaly abused her. He then ran away with the worship leader. We had to walk away from all that diabolical nonsence. Thankfully our faith was grounded in God and we are a still serving God. The hurt was ongoing by the telling of so many lies, it seemed to never end. Do not let any man and their sin, turn you away from God.

[@APerson-tq1zg]

❤

[@XGen_23]

My experience is SA with a cross on my child. God was testing my faith whether I go to the police or trust in God. Then I’m called a devil turning my back on God by seeking vengeance against his people. I left the cult.

[@marybenoit6375]

Despite all what we may go through in this life, no matter how hard and long the journey, it does not change who God is and his love never fails.

[@StonyKalango]

Thank you for holding on to the Lord. Man will fail you time and time again but Jesus never fails you.

[@ams_tyquiengco]

This sadly is more common than most people think and it breaks God’s heart . I am so sorry you experienced all of those things . I am very glad you held on to Jesus and know he is a good God.

[@troynelson8958]

Allen, I have never seen one of your videos before. I am a pastor in central Minnesota. If you are ever in the area I would love to have you speak to our church. God will use your podcasts, videos, books. You are a great thinker and seem to have a heart for the Lord! Blessings

[@kaoshi_kutie]

You should email him ❤

[@kaoshi_kutie]

Email him ❤

[@annen2145]

I accepted the Lord Jesus at 18yrs old, and I've been through so much abuse in church, and here I am at 60 yrs old, loving the Lord more than ever because when everyone failed me he's always been with there for me. Thank you, my Lord

[@katie-didellis2437]

When my husband left me with two small children ages 6 and 3, I kept my eyes on God. When I was asked why I continued to believe and trust in God after all that had happened to me, I said, "Man disappointed me, not God." My life has not turned out the way I thought it would, but I look forward to my life in heaven with Jesus. I give him all honor, praise, and glory for the life he's given me and his sacrifice on the cross.

[@thepineapple8434]

Thank you very much for your videos. I am rediscovering Christianity and got confused and even appalled by some preachers on yt. Instead of facing the difficult questions they rather scare you for having doubts. Your critical and multifaceted approach makes it possible to understand much more.

[@arreola891]

Amen. Praise God.

[@katerussell5902]

Yeah having critical thinking and logic is a good thing

[@normanreichwald6158]

And yet he calls people's applied critical reasoning and logic invalid if they don't come to the same conclusion as he does unless they have spoken to an expert apologist. In fact, he concedes that some things you just have to take on faith even if you don't understand them. He leaves out that science, medicine, avionics and the like are things we put faith in only after the theories and concepts we are relying on have been objectively tested rigorously against the empirical evidence. That is not how Faith, theology, or apologetics works. Just because somebody had a bad experience with someone else in the Church does not mean that Jesus didn't rise from the dead. Saying I have faith doesn't mean that he did. You have to do better than that and you cannot call somebody else's viewpoint invalid because they don't accept that.

[@sandrasmithling5520]

My husband died 6 yrs ago. in May. Some use that to fall away from God & ask why did God let that happen to me. I held tight to God & He restored my soul!! It's still hard sometimes. But thanks to God l'm doing very well!!

[@bethwerner1947]

2.5 years for me. He rains on the just and the unjust. Never ask why. Not an answer I even really need.

[@dannyjones4044]

I'm glad you are doing better. This is my husband's email, I'm Shelley

[@grggr18]

my first wife passed away almost 20yrs ago when our daughter was about 4months old. i went through it too. but God does restore, just not always the way we think He will. glad you found where God's grace was leading you

[@sonjastingl7986]

❤

[@brot5246]

Thanks Sandra... Unfortunately mine passed this year. Without God I would have been lost, he kept blessing me. Job lost most of his family.

[@johnsey2625]

I find that in every moment that I have doubts, I look back and notice I was committing sins that I know were wrong. My faith is strongest when I am fervently seeking God and being in prayer and in the word, which helps me resist temptation. I pray that we stay strong and finish the race knowing the Lord God is with us all along the way. 🙏 ✝️⛪️❤

[@jimkuhn3500]

There is a sad movement in the American Church 2day . Pastor Worship , that leads to " NO BIBLICAL ACCOUNTABILITY for Pastor's and that leads to NO CHURCH DISCIPLINE. We need to keep our eyes fixed upon Christ alone through the CROSS ... HE IS FAITHFUL.....

[@haltersweb]

That’s why I love Presbyterian churches. Presbyterian pastors are considered teaching elders and, as all elders are, are overseen by a presbytery. I attend an amazing PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) church in my area. I don’t consider myself a 5-point Calvinist, but I love the expository preaching and the exegetical approach to understanding scripture. The Gospel and the Word of God is front and center.

[@sulas548]

"""""We need to keep our eyes fixed upon Christ alone through the CROSS ... HE IS FAITHFUL....."""" That is a very bold statement and you seem to be asserting that it is factually true so would you be kind enough to explain to me exactly 'how' you personally established that it is 'actually' true? Or is it just your own personal opinion?

[@myrandashugart214]

I was out of the church for years because of church hurt. But I wanted to be in church. I just couldn’t figure out how to be a part of the body. My friend Kristy chased me down when I tried to run from a small group meeting at her house & she sat with me while I cried many times over the years. Stop so thankful for that ❤️

[@brot5246]

I always think.. Before the throne of God he's going to say ..yes but what did "I "do to you.

[@brittneysantos5932]

I stumbled across this video through my recommendations - and im glad i did. This video had some great advice for people who has experienced church hurt. Thank you!

[@GregMeece]

Brother, your church hurt experiences blew my mind. 🤯 I am so so sorry. 🥺 Praise God for his Grace to persevere. Very thankful for you and this video.

[@kathrynfriedlund3280]

Hello! This is my first time seeing a video from your channel and I was very blessed by what you shared. Thank you! This is a somber topic. My heart cries out, preserve me Lord! I am so grateful you overcame the adversities you faced, and that you indeed start this KZbin channel!

[@kathryngeorgina4758]

Oh no! This is so heartbreaking! I love Audrey and her worship music brought me through so many hard times and turned my eyes to God. It always seemed so authentic to me. Hoping God calls her back to Him.

[@kreationkollect]

This was well organized & put together video. Thank you for sharing this. I always wondered why people left Christianity myself & this video helped.

[@sarahkramer8954]

Wow. Just wow. Thank you for sharing your personal experiences with leaders in the church. You are appreciated!

[@jansensteve06]

I stopped playing drums at church almost 14 years ago (13 years 10 months). I was a church drummer for 10 years. I just recently started to attend church services again.

[@user-tv7ue4ql7n]

I'm grateful for your service in the House of God...but even more thankful you have decided to draw near to God. May your pursuit of God be blessed beyond measure. May God grant you more faith than you will need for your journey with Him. And May every hindrance to God's best in your life be bound, in Jesus's name.

[@user-tv7ue4ql7n]

I'm grateful for your service in the House of God...but even more thankful you have decided to draw near to God. May your pursuit of God be blessed beyond measure. May God grant you more faith than you will need for your journey with Him. And May every hindrance to God's best in your life be bound, in Jesus's name.

[@jansensteve06]

@@user-tv7ue4ql7n I recently returned to the music ministry last April after 14 years of absence.

[@rovenchy]

Hey Allen, I'm kenie from the UK, I stumbled on your channel today and I believe God pushed me your way.. I'm nearly 50 and been a Christian till around 2021 when I stopped going to church. Then I went to online churches, but I've stopped altogether now cos of all the points you've highlighted (apart from the LGBTQ one) Keep doing what you're doing cos you have your channel for people that know God exists but are getting sidetracked by life. God bless you, and keep fighting the faith fight. ❤

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

Where are you going now? We are in the U.K

[@j-ru5527]

This is an AMAZING video!!! Well thought out, explained and discussed. Your sensitivity came through while standing for Jesus. Keep doing what you're doing. Well done!

[@gladysbarreto1346]

Thank you Mr Paar. When i listen to you I'm amazed on how well you speak God's Word and how simple to understand. God bless you!

[@jermainamburayan580]

This guy does not know what he is talking about but revels in the joy of putting fallen christians down. It ain't easy to be a christian. Jesus himself warned us that christian life ain't easy coz the devil targets christians. You need to pray everyday. I find this guy is trying to monetize his dumb videos to make money. Don't judge fallen christians. Just pray for them.

[@SalvationSoulBeautiful]

Awesome video pastor Allen thank you makes so much sense God bless you and your family ❤

[@leeannk4790]

Ive seen a few of your videos. This is the one that got me to subscribe. God bless you. I really needed this today.

[@Littlemiss79Janine]

Thank you for posting this!!!! 👏🏻🙌🏻❤

[@Kramotac71]

International Version (NIV) Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

[@2agmt1731]

So good. Thank you for your good words!! Praise God! Keep preaching for Jesus!! 🙏✝️🤗

[@davidyates1078]

I really enjoyed this video Allen. It’s apparent that you put a lot of work and time into making this content. Thank you!

[@rickyjohnson8797]

Brother Allen I'm sorry you had some bad experiences in the church. It's very apparent that God is using you to help those who struggle with similar things. God bless you and you're ministry as you represent our great Savior.

[@poboyspecial]

Valid point: when we do NOT follow the Almighty God, we then make ourselves our own god.

[@jamesthompson545]

Wonderful presentation. Timely and useful.

[@user-Christ-is-my-King]

Thank you, Brother Allen.

[@johnbutera5805]

Allen, I appreciate your KZbin content!! Please keep it up!! 👍👍😃

[@robertdavis3036]

You're spot on.

[@NuclearMango.]

How and why have I completely missed this channel? I mean, I follow *_a lot_* of Christian channels and I've never seen one of this channel's videos in my suggestions. I should complain but the only thing I'm gonna say is, I'm so thankful that God showed me one of Allen's videos in my suggestions today, I subscribed, and I can't wait to watch more!

[@marvinwerth9421]

Narrow is the way, and few that find it!

[@idriveastationwagon1534]

With Reason #3, that also means that as a church, we must hold ourselves to the standards Christ set forward. Unbelievers may not read an actual bible, but they will read us. Everyone must give an account as to what they did with Christ on judgement day, however, I don't want to be the reason why someone doesn't come to Christ because of our behavior. As the body of Christ, we cannot offend someone away from Christ because of our bad behavior.

[@Crustee0]

Unfortunately the ideal situation of an ideology is never perfectly achieved by everyone or even anyone following the ideology depending on how difficult it is. This is also true for other belief systems/ideology. Restaurants (especially fancier ones) follow government rules for hygiene and other stuff, this is an ideology to establish trust from customers. But can we be certain any 1 restaurant is 100% perfectly compliant on it? Or to an extent, every single restaurant that follow the rules, to not ever cause food poisoning or cause allergy (from cross contamination) for their diners? Someone suffering food poisoning or allergy might decide to not eat at whatever place they got it, but will they avoid every other restaurant too because of this 1 case? Its a really rare case they ever stopped eating out at restaurant, unlike people quitting Christianity because of awful experience with Christians. I think this is the idea he want to point out, most people dont do that for other belief systems, but for Christianity they do it like that. Even if a whole church is awful, is that even 0.01% of the whole follower of the system? Its still awful, but its intellectually unfair to absolutely judge the whole Christianity like that compared to other belief systems.

[@KFontLab]

Yes we absolutely have the responsibility to be who we say we are, but the unfortunate truth is there will ALWAYS be some that are using the church or God to manipulate or hurt so what he said was extremely important.

[@lindatitus9969]

Thank you so much. This is EXCELLENT!! I so appreciate your answers & insight! This is so helpful in understanding how to peer into the hearts of those who walk away from Jesus & how to converse with them. God bless you, brother.

[@saltyolbroad2962]

"No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.” Jesus

[@worlaliawakame762]

Oh praise the name of the Lord our God is one of my ffffffaaaaavvvvvvooooorrrrriiiiiiiitttteeeesssssss❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ Oh no😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@paolamaria5840]

May I ask you again to please share your STATEMENT OF FAITH? I think it's right for us who listen to you to know what you believe exactly. A thousand thanks

[@angelasmith3037]

Love Audrey Assad. My heart also broke when I found out she left the faith. Inheritance is one of the best worship albums I have heard. I have dealt with a lot of mistreatment from community and Bible Study groups, even when I sought truth and reconciliation. But I always knew that God was WITH me, and He SEES every moment of hurt within that. It was wrong that the leaders of those groups did what they did, and got away with it, but I also know that God is the ultimate justice bringer. Jesus was always my rock and shelter...but I grew up in a chaotic home. I am thankful that I have had a firm foundation of faith from the time I was a child.

[@pamelamiller9519]

I have been hurt by many people, church people and regular people.Same to both. I have realized I need to forgive. I don't go to church because I don't have a way to get there. People should keep their eyes on JESUS AND let all the other things go.

[@jamavestergaard6745]

Thank you Allen for telling your experiences

[@emy2jas]

This was very thorough. I so appreciate your gift of discernment.

[@Silke-Kamchen]

Thank you so much 🙏🏻 Bless you 🙏🏻

[@tammiecanada5837]

How can you really know Jesus and then not know Him? If you ever meet Him, you will never doubt it!

[@Kmax3000]

It saddens me to see someone like Marty Sampson walk away from the faith. His early music inspired me in my teen years and kept me on the straight and narrow as best as I could. I played guitar and knew all the songs by heart off every album..even got to meet him a couple times!.. HOWEVER, falling away from the faith doesn’t surprise me.. too many churches, especially mega churches, preach such a watered down version of Christianity, God, Jesus and the faith, the natural response is people aren’t going to be actually learning and growing in their understanding of God. For my wife and I, we had given up on church, our faith was fading, and we were spiritually flatlining…until Putin invaded Ukraine.. THEN we started getting curious about what the Bible says about the end times. God brought us to a revelation series on YT from Royston Bethel church in the UK, and WOW!!!! We learned more from this series than we EVER DID in 35 years of putting our butts in seats in churches. We learned SO MUCH about the entire Bible, it’s blowing our minds even today. We love learning from Perry Stone and so many others that understand the history and cultural context of the Bible that brings it to LIFE. Our spirits are ALIVE now and we are on fire, but unfortunately we don’t fit in with very traditional church culture.. everyone feels asleep and complacent. Churches where we are from are preaching on surface Level behaviour modification and not teaching the actual word that will change your heart! I should really go to bed now lol!

[@kimm59]

A lot of these artists start out in a church singing in the choir then they get noticed then they get popular then they're like now I can do what I want thank you for the updates

[@usmc3547]

Even though the Holy Bible teaches us not to covet, I find myself envious of you. GOD, YAHWEH, has blessed you with other gifts allowing you to be much stronger than I. You're able to continue watching after having your heart broken. It truly devastated me to such a degree that I had to pause 12 minutes in...and not sure if I'll be able to continue watching. I cannot remember anything that ever affected me emotionally to the level that this has. I am perplexed and puzzled at what I am experiencing this strongly for the 1st time at age 81 years...less two months.

[@bevharley8074]

It doesn't get any simpler than that!! Well said Allen, thank you🤍

[@Matrimonyncheese]

About 8 years ago a friend convinced me to go with him to a good Friday service. He claimed the pastor at the church was the father of Michael Gungor. This was in Tulsa, OK where I guess his father was indeed a pastor, so it was pretty likely. I've been to many churches. Some a bit odd. But this church was covered in painting of crows/ravens. Some looked like they were dead. The paintings were all over the hall and even in the women's bathroom. I remember it was very "artsy". It gave me weird vibes, and I never let my friends take me back there. As someone who grew up in Tulsa, OK, I've seen lots of people go to the same college Michael and Lisa went to: ORU. I've noticed especially in the last 5 years a lot of people I went to ORU with leaving Christianity or really pushing away from its theology. I might be jaded, but I really think that college has influenced many students with a shaky foundation that later crumbles. I would love to see someone really dive into the school's teachings and operations

[@rhondahart2416]

A good place to start is with 1 long for truth with Daniel and Robin Long. Also I believe Pastor Chris Rosebrough on Fighting for the Faith has done some content on Oral Roberts. The last one I watched Daniel and Robin covered Oral Roberts and Kenneth Copeland, that was eye opening . If you know anything about Kenneth Copeland then you know he is a false teacher. Oral was a false teacher also, birds of a feather flock together. So it's not surprising if there's strange stuff coming out of ORU. This is all coming from Satan. We are warned of false teachers and having itching ears. Both of those podcasts I recommended are solid in their teaching. Also Justin Peters might have something on Oral Roberts also.

[@ebowalker571]

Conforming to cultural norms is what is happening and unfortunately many church congregations are also conforming. Many church congregations dont look any different than the world does and this is a big problem.

[@finchborat]

Especially regarding liberal churches. Their faith is not being driven by God, but by the ways of the world.

[@BethG-t6t]

Thanks for holding up the light on this brother. This is why we don’t put our trust in men. But in God

[@babiryezurah8387]

After losing my job in 2014 with ababy minus afather, it was really hard on me. I had to spend nights in churches and some times in kiosks😢 but that's the same period that my faith was restored and things never remained the same🙏

[@timlucasentertainment]

Seeking an Apologist now. Thanks for your guidance.

[@mcsmama]

Well done!!! "Just because xxxxx happened, does that mean that Jesus did not rise from the dead?"!!!!! THIS is absolutely the heart of it all, of course! I get so exhausted trying to reason with folks sometimes, & it is not unusual to get lost in details while trying to answer arguments that circle around & around, because so often, people would rather argue that they are right than to listen. The trend with deniers of anything these days seems to be to refuse to actually have a conversation, instead seeking that "drop the mic...gotcha... in your face" moment. 😢 But this ONE QUESTION should stop everyone in their tracks, & it IS, THE question. Thank you so much for this! "Why These Popular "Christian" Worship Artists Left Christianity" via THE BEAT by Allen Parr [9.3.2024]

[@reannfrantz9102]

thk u for your courage, Allen.

[@MrWied84]

Hi Allen, I'm Indonesian. I think it happened here to, and most is the reason number 3 and 4. Blaming God is not the solution, because God wanted us to learn from every problem that come to us. Easy and comfortable life wont make our faith grow

[@scottfountain8914]

Ty for your interesting input. There were kearnals of truth in some of your observations. The item you listed as fourth most important, questioning, occurs as a result of your latter three observations. That very questioning leads people to ask just that. Did Jesus rise from the dead? Because a book said so? Your points regarding those of the LGBTQ2+ wanting to be their own gods is astounding in its narrow minded approach. Thank you for continuing to exemplify Christian’s and Christianity.

[@ScorpionN6887]

It's sad because people need God more than ever before

[@lizwinters7062]

There's a book by Ray Comfort it's free online at Living Waters it's called "God has a wonderful plan for your life the myth of the modern message". It's very good I would love to see you do a video reacting to this book!!

[@romainh1875]

Life is not a quiet river. Sometimes, circonstances take us away from god. But, i'm convinced that these step makes up know how gods love, grace is amazing. I was drummer in my church and after, worship leader. God was always good with me but, new job, new town, new family "imperative"... make me take away. But god was always in my mind even i walked away. Is love has seized me again. He stand here, even when we get away from him.

[@Beanmachine91]

when i quit Pentecostalism i did not quit on jesus, when i gave church a chance i became an evangelical presbyterian

[@susancarr932]

You are a talented preacher completely led by the Holy Spirit. This is fresh air to me !!

[@Notintimidated2013]

Let’s remember that God said if we will not praise Him, that even “the rocks would cry out” and praise Him, for He is worthy to be praised. He doesn’t need us. We need HIM. I pray they come back to Him before it’s too late.

[@MultiverseAsheville]

I applaud Jars of Clay for not giving in to Christian bullies who criticize them for being “too mainstream” for writing fewer explicitly Christian songs. It’s okay to write songs about struggle. About confusion and doubt and shaken faith. Any Christian only discussing affirming parts of their faith is disingenuous. Basically, it put their job in opposition to their authentic faith journey. And they decided to write the songs they felt called to write, even if it meant not being considered a “Christian” band. It was the right decision.

[@jacquelinequinonez-neal9952]

As Christians we all in a battlefield every second of our lives, we are living in the kingdom of darkness and we are continually being lied to by satan, our worse move is to give up at the most painful time and turn our back to Jesus instead of running to Him for protection and guidance. Our best weapons are surrender to Jesus and pray for his help, not running away and be unprotected. Yes we all imperfect but He loves us all incondicional and as a good Father he will protect us and heal our wounds one by one and will give us courage and strength in return from all the suffering we were put through. My flesh is always afraid but the spirit of God always insured that I feel protected and strong, I can’t never run from Him because I always ended missing His presence surrounding me. Brothers and sisters be strong and continue walking His path and even if we fall get up don’t give up because He is carrying us ❤

[@theferrones]

I didn’t realize till now that there was two of me. You spoke truth and phrased it perfectly well and I can’t think of a better way to present that argument. Francis Chan did the same titled “we are created for his glory “. Which was based on the book of job. 20 minutes in is where it really starts. Or Francis Chan “The awe of God” 3 minutes of seeing earth from a distance and I mean like men in black but more extreme. And lastly if you have time to laugh there’s Francis Chan in England where he’s talking to jr high age kids and telling them about how messed up his life was. How much death surrounded him and how he ended up making sense of it all. I’m not actually a big fan of his so when he connects with me I’m really drawn in.

[@anguspure]

Would love to find a loyal church group that actually remains connected beyond the Sunday service and who remembers a person exists if they don't see them once a week on a Sunday. In nearly 40 years of being a believer I have not been fortunate enough to find that.

[@lucaskellermann4740]

I live in Brazil, and the same thing happens here. Honestly, I think there have always been people who have a deep relationship with God, and people who have never stopped being "mother's milk" and whose faith can be more shaky. The problem is that we live in modern times and churches, ministries, and pastors are achieving a lot of fame and popularity thanks to the Internet, and with that comes money. So a pattern is established, a profile of people who appear to be sailing in deep waters with God, when in reality they have only learned the profile of commercial success among the Christian people. It hurts my heart to see pastors being caught in adultery, musicians and worship leaders leaving Christ and making profane music... But God is jealous of His church, and the fruits reveal the type of tree. My prayer is that God will raise up in our generation a mature church that will stop calling believers to people who have never understood that the message of the gospel is the message of the cross, a Church that stop giving exposure and visibility to people who have not shown fruits of maturity in the faith.

[@Lowspeedoperator]

Thank you !

[@RandomStupid-tf9fx]

I believed for 40 years. But never having any prayers answered and having my life destroyed put a stop to that. I don't know how anyone can believe in something that doesn't actually do anything.

[@penglim224]

God is good all the time. Believing in the Lord Jesus is having a relationship with Him. Building a relationship with God is reading His Word, spending time with God 24/7, and trusting in God in every situations. Why? God is good all the time.

[@eddierit398]

That's right the just shall live by faith

[@madonnawretling4118]

Very good stuff. Thank you !,

[@conniecorreia538]

Excellent. Thank You. Blessings

[@Hishumbleservant1712]

For what's in the heart, will surface in time, and truth that's revealed cannot be denied.....a start of a chorus of a song I wrote in 1995. These people who really believe they own their own destiny will discover in time that the false premise of control is merely a state of mind.

[@denvercheddie]

Geoff Bullock's departure is the one that hurt me the most.

[@giehayes8983]

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

[@sherri1891]

I never comment but…. I came back to the faith about 4 years ago - got introduced to apologetics - I have read and listened to apologetics on Creation, Biblical Reliability, Biblical archaeology, Pro life, Progressive Christianity, Gender, New Age, Music etc… I can only tell you how much it has solidified my faith. Every time the enemy or my own sinful nature tries to lob doubt, I remember what I have read and contemplated. Nothing else makes sense but Jesus. Nothing. Oh and all this goes hand in hand with daily prayer!

[@matthewrobinson9955]

I grew up Pentecostal and we believed in backsliding and turning away. The longer I live the more I wonder if these people were ever truly saved. As my father always says maybe they had the head knowledge but not the heart knowledge. Gods word will be honored no matter what.

[@inGodwetrust565]

God is still Alive and working

[@kristiheath9913]

Love is not just an emotion. Love is an action also.

[@8882keithio]

love your content 🙂 Godspeed

[@createinme]

I worked at Christian music company many years ago. That as such a negative experience for 7 years. It’s all bottom line for them, the almighty dollar! As far as winning souls to Christ, that was put aside. I went through a dark period but thank God I left there and went to work for a secular company and met so many Christians there that were so encouraging!

[@sizzlingsquid7451]

I don't understand why people leave the faith. Like, now they've renounced their true hope, where will they go? Have they really asked the question that Peter asked: "Lord, to whom will I go? You have the words of eternal life."

[@aynako1538]

3:39 The only place you can ever find Truth is within yourself? Really? Oh, goodness...my mind is often a very dark, terrible place spewing with the lies of the enemy. I don't want to look within myself. It has pushed me into the darkest depression of my life. No...'within yourself' is where you find lies and deception brewing. It is where you find a deceitfully wicked heart. I don't want it any longer. It is literally killing me. I need to return fully to the One who redeemed me. The only place one can find Truth is in His World alone: "Sanctify them by the truth; Your Word is truth." - John 17:17

[@shaneball2358]

I really like how u drilled down the fundamental question, bc of ...... does that mean Jesus did not rise from the dead? That really highlights the issue.

[@robertwood9984]

Thank you for continuing in you walk witb the Lord. I got a lot from this.l, and an precise answer for a trial

[@justinaskins2156]

The guy from Hawk Nelson as well. He said he went on a trip to Africa and saw poor children starving and couldn't believe in God since they were in so much depravity and he determined that means God isn't good and therefore everything has been a lie.

[@silm7902]

I’m 41 and just found my way back to Jesus. I find myself realizing I should have picked up a Bible years ago the word is the way. 🙏🙏🙏