Why This Battery Breakthrough Could Make EVs Cheaper

Analysts estimate that the size of the EV battery industry will grow to around $70 billion by 2025, and there’s a number of innovative battery start-ups trying to grab a piece of the pie. One of these companies, Cuberg, is making lithium-metal batteries, which it says will be twice as energy dense as standard lithium-ion, and could therefore help electric vehicles become cheaper and more efficient. Because Cuberg’s tech is largely compatible with existing lithium-ion manufacturing processes, it has the potential to scale quickly. And if it does, we could see lithium metal batteries powering small planes and electric vehicles within the decade.
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[@Steamrick]

News about 'The Next Big Thing' in battery tech has been a dime a dozen for the last decade. The real question is, when will a winner finally reach the mass production stage?

[@BryanGenson]

the more news stories like this we get, the sooner I bet

[@erikpienk]

Lithium batteries have changes a lot also.... density, quality and manufacturing so while it is not a new type of battery improvements are all over...

[@thehoovah]

Yeah let know when a major manufacturer is putting them in a product. I think we see more of these stories because there is alot of doubt about the sustainability of electric vehicles. The only way is if we develop a new battery technology with significantly more energy density. It makes me laugh how this experimental companies claim their battery production is more efficient, uses less energy... Et cetera et cetera, however you still are building prototypes... Lol

[@zion3335]

never, because the fundamental science and mechanics are the same as 100 years ago....the very first cars were infact electric...the fact of the matter is the internal combustion engine is fundamentally more reliable and efficient at automotive applications...we need something fundamentally new to replace it.....like in aviation....the jet engine is a new development over the propeller and is fundamentally better..

[@jimbohalsey8374]

When Toyota stops dragging their feet

[@Steamrick]

I keep hearing 10-20% cheaper. Cheaper than li-ion today or cheaper than li-ion as it will be 5-10 years from now? Li-Ion battery prices have been dropping an average 20% yearly for the past decade. I have no idea where the $170-180 per kWh cited in this video came from because that's 2018 pricing. The 2021 price is more along the lines of $130 per kWh.

[@najibyarzerachic]

that dude is probably taking average of all lithium ion chemistries. you are right most lithium ion cells that automakers use today are way below that figure. Lithium iron phosphate have been below $100/kWh for over a year now ( source: BloombergNEF)

[@dbkwow]

Nice insight!

[@rojavabashur6455]

With lithium-metal you can remove the entire anode production part of the process.

[@mfb424]

@@rojavabashur6455 With Graphite/Si anode you’re at no less than 500mAh/g and that gram cost is really not an issue. And with solid electrolyte you do not need excess Li or prelithiation. Metallic Lithium is a total hazard always as it really hates to be alone.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

BYD is now producing these for $95 per KWH................Paul

[@twinkmaster2]

This must be the 6th video i have seen about this exact topic with none of the companies brining anything to market as of yet

[@steverothmans5908]

And it wont be the last.

[@asheru9254]

Unicorn companies

[@tribalypredisposed]

I particularly appreciated the touch of calling Northvolt an "EV battery giant" despite their being a pre-production startup in order to try to give this other pre-production battery startup credibility. LoL

[@anjith]

I don't believe unless I see it in production. 🤷

[@Saffy1]

I've been watching videos like this since 2008

[@COASTER1921]

This video feels like an ad more than anything else. Especially their call to action for investors at the end.

[@seankim2743]

Couldn't agree more.

[@asheru9254]

Well it is 🤷‍♂️

[@iKingRPG]

They also said several incorrect things, like that lithium ion is the only chemistry used. Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) is also used.

[@HenriZwols]

Halfway the video I checked the channel to see if it was Northvolt.

[@mfb424]

@@iKingRPG it’s beacuse LFP is also li-ion. As are LCO, LMO, NMC, NCA and LTO. And then there is horde of electrolyte mixes to choose from and not to mention additives to electrodes and solid electrolytes. There really are millions of ways to make a li-ion cell. To know even 10% of all this requires a lifetime career in the li-ion business. 😅

[@tribalypredisposed]

"EV battery giant Northvolt..." With their total battery production of... zero battery cells this year...Is credibility and accuracy just a joke for you all there? It sure seems like it.

[@Danirio96]

Apple doesn't manufacture s**t genius

[@tribalypredisposed]

@@Danirio96 Northvolt is trying to be a battery cell manufacturer, that is why they are building two battery cell factories right now. That is their only line of business, it is what they were founded to do. People like you who know absolutely nothing should not be insulting others. Northvolt has a lot of money invested into it, but they are a pre-production startup with no revenue to date. Not an EV battery giant.

[@kiuklee90]

@@tribalypredisposed You are correct. Northvolt has no experience of manufacturing nor product's quality assurance in mass production. Even German experts heavily criticised this move and "general media" does not talk about the details of costs and duration it takes to build a manufacturing facility, let alone costs for R&D, human resources or supply chain (raw material and completed products). German federal government is one of the major shareholders of VW so they have to make politically biased move (to save jobs and reduce trade deficit or outside dependency) thou experts predict that electrification of vehicle and manufacturing automation will cut many jobs regardless. The German manufacturers' move on collaboration with Northvolt is to reduce their battery dependency on Asian manufacturers which is over 70% (as of EU). However, Northvolt facility is located north even in Swedish geography standards which creates expensive shipping costs and longer supply time despite their argument that "Swedish hydropower generation" will increase costs competitiveness (Germany has the most expensive industrial/household electricity in the world). Korean manufacturers have already built, and have been supplying and expanding their manufacturing capacity in Hungary, Poland, and possibly new one in Spain (Catalunya). By the time Northvolt stabilised (if they succeed, as big IF) and started their battery production and supply lines, power sources of mobilities would already transitioned to fuel cells based electrification

[@matthewesler8379]

What do with battery when they fail

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

@@matthewesler8379 Not a relevant question for this thread, but you recycle it for materials. Material costs are around 60% of cost of Li-batteries qnovo.com/82-the-cost-components-of-a-battery/

[@glennalexon1530]

Replacing car traffic (a few seconds of gap between vehicles) with air traffic (with at least several minutes between vehicles) is a dumb idea. The market is for rich people to bypass the ground traffic of common people; just be honest about it.

[@adamt195]

Replace car traffic in cities with walking, biking and public transit. Wow, just saved you 10 years and billions of dollars on R&D. The future isnt some new experimental battery tech thats going to "revolutionize" our lives.

[@arthurswanson3285]

Lol

[@ef3675]

​@@adamt195 Well, gotta keep those Investors™ happy somehow

[@slitor]

Still a much better idea then building "Loops" in pipes or in tunnels. It makes sense if you look at drones for the last decade, just come up with a standard for automatic air traffic control. We got E-scooters littering our sidewalks, its not a far reach to think this might be the norm. Technology is there. BUT...what I DO forsee will put a wrench on this is not safety...its NOISE.

[@thewrightstuff8956]

This report assumes that standard lithium ion battery cells are not going to evolve/improve over the next 10 years. By the time NorthVolt is able to successfully mass produce their lithium metal cell, the industry standard lithium ion cell will be light years ahead of where they are today. Their lithium metal cell will no doubt have a higher energy density, but I have a lot of trouble believing that NorthVolt will be able to match lithium ion cost wise. Anyway, I hope they are able to achieve what they are working towards.

[@erikpienk]

well you got to say Lithium batteries are reaching a saturation point... they are reaching the peak of the technology.... this is why they are looking for new solutions because current batteries are just not gonna cut it in a few decades.

[@zion3335]

@@erikpienk correct the li ion battery is limited by the lithium...so it cant be made much better...

[@rojavabashur6455]

Not true, the graphite in the anode can only hold as many ions. Lithium-Metal is the future how ever you look at it.

[@redwolfexr]

The current concentration on Lithium Ion research is COST REDUCTION now, not density. Doing it with LESS lithium, mainly.

[@rojavabashur6455]

@@redwolfexr With lithium-metal you can do it with no anode.

[@KyudoKun]

I remember like it was yesterday when CNBC and other media entities reporting that Graphene super capacitors are almost ready for mass adaption. Fast forward to this year and yet we're still stuck at Li-On and Graphene battery is still nowhere to be found.

[@vanderumd11]

its all used to fund studies. why solve a problem you are paid to solve lol

[@OJRay]

Graphene portable batteries are available on Amazon. They have higher discharge power but lower energy density. Somewhere in between Lion and supercap.

[@jeremiahnichols8272]

@@OJRay Don't trust everything junk Chinese sellers on Amazon claim.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

@@OJRay HobbyKing sells these for model planes...........They're not that great..........Paul

[@TheReal_ist]

Wish we could comment gifs. cause "here we go again" would be perfect.

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

"Hopefully within the decade." Lithium is progressing in density safety and cost reduction. Lithium is here and now.

[@redwolfexr]

Unless you want to fly... it also does not work well for motorcycles. (scale/weight/power/cost) As they said, we will have multiple techs. Lithium Ion is going to be the automobile standard for a long time. Lithium Metal (of any flavor) is going to be where the density/weight demands it.

[@gig2734]

True, but it's only a temporary benefit. Once they have learned mass production, one must compete on what the batteries can offer.

[@alphaxfang]

it is here just not good enough...

[@billdale1]

@@alphaxfang You are not thinking creatively. When one product, such as li ion, has enormous potential in multiple respects, but also has weak points, you find ways to work around the weak points. With li ion, they started by making expensive, high performance cars that offered qualities you could not find with ICE cars--- 100% torque at 0 RPM, small carbon footprint, and near-silent operation, for instance. EV cars were extremely popular from the start despite the fact that many sketics assumed that disadvantages would sink any potential market. Many people see li ion as being unable to compete in the aircraft space, for instance, but they are ignoring the battery's significant advantages and only looking at drawbacks, without finding creative ways of working around weak points. EV aircraft are already being made and sold to fill a variety of markets. Playing on their extreme low cost of operation and maintenance, the higher reliability, near silence, and zero emissions, they are highly popular with flight schools, for instance. Flight trainers typically take off and land from the same location, practicing touch-and-gos, etc., never traveling very far. That is a strong advantage over ICE plane trainers. Creative aircraft designs can take advantage of other EV plus points. iC engines are less efficient in small scale; the smaller the engine, the more inefficient. EV aircraft do not have that problem--- small motors are just as efficient as larger ones, so you see a wide variety of aircraft now with multiple motors that can operate in ways that ICE powered 'aircraft powered by ICEs could not--- four, six, eight, or more rotors mated with fly-by-wire computer controls, offer the safety of high redundancy, silent operation, and emission-free operation that works well even in urban or suburban environments. They are already being used in air rescue, air ambulance, crime suppression, etc. EV aircraft currently have shorter range, but again, their advantages can work around such disadvantages if one wants to expand into interstate travel. EVs can operate far cheaper, and safer, in interstate markets by hopping between airports just a few hundred miles apart. The lower cost, near-silence, and other advantages can attract passengers that value those factors. As battery energy density improves, EV aircraft can absorb more and more of the interstate market. Thinking creatively overcomes a variety of issues.

[@alphaxfang]

@@billdale1 now do you see the current lithium battery good enough to replace airplane jet engine? From what i see it still not good enough, we still see the competition from various battery tech and the winner haven't been clear cut... Once the battery has been good enough to replace jet engine i think they will use it... Maybe in the next 10-20 years they will change but not in next 5 years...

[@sonnydixonvideo]

I'm all for keeping our air and water clean, but who's thinking about the massive waste associated with battery technology? Since more than 75% of any battery is NOT recyclable, what happens with all of that?

[@suspicionofdeceit]

It piles up somewhere.

[@sonnydixonvideo]

@-w -a I'm sorry but, you must know that what you saying is mostly nonsense. You can't possibly know what will happen "overtime". Further, conflating wind turbine blades with serious chemical waste is also nonsensical. I don't mean to be offensive but, if your going to opine on a technical subject then please stay focused and bring something of value to the discussion. Not rhetoric.

[@sonnydixonvideo]

@@user-nu1vn3yy9s Sorry but that number is not accurate. Whole industries are spinning up to try and turn a profit from the significant waste being created. Including one of the founders of Tesla.

[@sonnydixonvideo]

@-w -a Hey... is there a rest stop on the way to the end of this story?

[@mr.munger]

My question is about scarcity. Similar to how much crude oil we have left, how common or scarce are the elements used in these batteries. I.e. lithium, cobalt, and manganese? The batteries go bad at some point and need replaced. And as the tech improves more an more devices are running on these resources. Will we run into scarcity at some point?

[@tedgayer336]

Yes, that is an issue. The real issue is overpopulation. That’s what’s driving scarcity of resources. But nobody seems to want to discuss that factor.

[@decreer4567]

Asteroids. It would be near an infinite resource. That’s why Musk Mars landing would be so important for humanity. The only problem is travel speed and the cost for R&D. Which makes it more of a government issue.

[@johnwang9914]

With lead acid batteries, they used to have loose plastic grids in the liquid electrolyte in hopes that the vibration from the car would move the grid enough to break any dendrites that might be forming. A mechanical approach such as this, perhaps an active impeller, could be used if the electrolyte is liquid. The electrolyte could even be cycled from a reservoir providing not only the mechanical agitation but provide the cooling and perhaps allow limited recharging by the replacement of the electrolyte albeit at the loss of electrode conditions that will require remanufacturing or replacement after a set number of electrolyte changes. This partial electrolyte recharging was proposed for lead acid batteries in EV's back in the 70's to give recharge times of minutes.

[@raymondleung9271]

We all know the real answer to solve the low energy density of lithium batteries is the flux capacitor!

[@grahamstevenson1740]

Not to mention the Vibranium used in their construction.

[@photonboy999]

@@grahamstevenson1740 , With a dividing layer of Adamantium to prevent punctures...

[@paulholterhaus7084]

Another Dreamer...............Paul

[@gregcoste5332]

battery stratification for use needs to be a focus also .. home/business and grid storage can be used by more common and bulkier solutions.

[@wades623]

not one mention on how long they expect them to last and if they can even be reused

[@frefai]

Woe to whichever country has large stores of lithium. They're going to be "liberated" sooner or later

[@SN-hn9zi]

Bolivia. They’re already trying to manage this.

[@SahilP2648]

Argentina, Bolivia and Chile. It's still yet to be seen how fast we can (or rather can't) deplete lithium before the need to switch to better non-lithium alternatives, if at all possible. I want to visit Salar-de-uyuni before it gets destroyed by us. It is one of the most majestic places on Earth. A place where the heavens meet the Earth.

[@grahamstevenson1740]

There's 3 of them in South America. Never an especially stable region !

[@SahilP2648]

@@grahamstevenson1740 read my comment above

[@HH-le1vi]

@@SahilP2648 Australia is also in the top lithium producing countries

[@ChicagoBob123]

Solid state is the answer. Reduces the thermal management and recharge time. How fast can a pack made of that chemistry charge? How many times? GM with LG came up with its own new chemistry answer to this as well as Tesla.

[@jameswest4819]

So where are the dilithium crystals Scotty?

[@sonnydixonvideo]

Well played, James!

[@photonboy999]

We had them already, then they got busted, and now we're re-crystalizing them... also, Scotty's stuck in a teleporter buffer. He'll answer that when he's resurrected.

[@lordsamich755]

If I'm not mistaken Gene Roddenberry based dilithium crystals on the lab version of what later became today's lithium Iron battery's. If you look at the battery technology of the day, all of those promises came true. We just take them for granted.

[@jameswest4819]

@@lordsamich755 The old "hard-science fiction" writers used to incorporate some real science in their work. Even some of the newer movies had some cutting edge science...like transparent aluminum. Scientists of that day and age used to write science fiction novels to make a little extra income. That made the science fiction a little more believable.

[@martinphillips4607]

Lol 😂 scotty

[@djlovetap2141]

These people at CNBC need to fact check and re-up on current information. This is like a Sophmore in High School giving a lame book report

[@tribalypredisposed]

Absolutely. Northvolt, which they call an "EV battery giant," has never sold a battery cell and is building their first factory now. So, no editors there, and the reporters are definitely not doing their research...

[@StormyDog]

Closer to a 5th grader.

[@vilester]

I’m sure they just pickup anyone off the streets these days. MSM reporting is trash.

[@slitor]

Just a friendly reminder that; cynicsism is not an indicitive to intelligience.

[@tribalypredisposed]

@@slitor who is engaging in cynicism? Just pointing out that these people claim to be "reporters," but they play the role of fiction writers on TV. I mean, "EV battery giant" to describe a company that has never sold a single battery cell to date? Pretty imaginative, and very false.

[@thejackdiamondart]

this sounds like a ninth grader reading a book report, I couldn't get past the first 5 seconds of that!

[@crazywayne7051]

I think that's the first NBC video I've ever seen on KZbin where they actually covered the subject without interjecting a bunch of floppy top talking heads

[@tinetannies4637]

Another day, another battery "breakthrough"....

[@linkmaster253]

When you lack research funds they can only discover so much at a time. Imagine having enough money to back the funding of scientists researching new tech. Any mistakes made or dead ends are just part of the process.

[@colgatetoothpaste4865]

Same with cancer research !! They been making breakthroughs since the early 1980's since I remember

[@colgatetoothpaste4865]

The only true thing about battery breakthrough is the lypo battery

[@izzarulhadi5163]

even if the ship is autonomous electric, you still need a few crucial team to manage and monitor the ship. like tech engineers in case if theres a problem in the electronics. you still need generators if a storm hits and fried the battery for example. and occasional maintenance report

[@martinmartin6300]

Who else constantly hears "Qbert"?

[@paxdriver]

If they've got the patented electrolyte working then why did they need a SPAC to go public? Somethings fishy there

[@suspicionofdeceit]

Very fishy and stinky.

[@RD-ij2sz]

Every entrepreneur will look for appropriate time to go Public . They know their business and they know the best time to go public ....

[@paxdriver]

@@RD-ij2sz you're talking about when, I am criticizing how. Those aren't the same matters imho. Yes, it is important to time entry. A SPAC is specifically designed to rush entry when unable or not confident in garnered support at launch. Or the support is anticipated to be spotty, or the founders are looking to cash out quick, or they have a revolutionary idea that humanity could benefit from if we only knew how to invest in what's best for the species. There's no way to know if a SPAC is smart or exploiting opportunism side-skirting registration regulations imposed (for good reason) on regular IPO's. A SPAC is by definition a workaround for a proper listing to avoid scrutiny. If you can't see how that might be fishy then I think critical skills need some attention 😜 matter-of-factly speaking, not trying to be rude to condescending, it's just a "definition of terms" thing, not really subject to opinion unless someone chooses not to look at all at what they're doing.

[@RD-ij2sz]

@@paxdriver They are looking for more mature business model to develop and for increased valuation s to get the best .

[@paxdriver]

@@RD-ij2sz with all due respect that response is so generic it could apply to properly public IPO and mom and pop shops and independent contractors with numbered companies alike. It's not a description of any sound reasoning, it's a pamphlet I've seen on every prospectus headline of every section therein I've ever written lol

[@RiotRaging]

2:10 When you build an entire animation with the wrong polarities

[@cashed-out2192]

Where is all the lithium coming from? South America, or Australia? And are they reliable importers?

[@loafandjug321]

It haa to cost $16,000 today to match an inflation calculator when comparing a 1985 Chevy Cavalier ($6,500).

[@BolinFoto]

If they can't solve the charging time it will not be the next big thing. This is the only reason why Gas-powered cars are dominant. It's not just the reach it's the speedy refilling of Gas-powered cars that makes them superior. In the early 1900 there were 10 000 electric cars in New York. But when the starter motor was invented all those cars went away over night. So most important is charge time and then reach, fix that and no one will drive a Gas-powered car ever again.

[@edraman]

It's nice, but how are we going to keep up with the lithium supply

[@sayitaintso7544]

Theres going to be a shortage? How will we manage our mood swings or disorders? Bipolar people needs their dosage.

[@djlovetap2141]

I’m sure all the major automakers are interested in the newest tech, and they will probably be re-ousted from thier positions at times, but Tesla seems to have a lock with multiple innovative moats: batteries, manufacturing, FSD, R&D, cross technology effects (Space X, Tesla, Boring Co, Starlink, Tesla Energy). We will see who adopts what and when… it’s going to be fun to watch the race to the top! This sounds like a unicorn story so far… Keep hunting for the scientific Bigfoot anomalies and see if it pans out. Explore and innovate!!

[@Anomize23]

Thought their patents are open? 🤔

[@aerohard]

Volkswagon are partners with Northvolt, and have a deal to acquire 14 billion dollars in batteries. BMW has a 2 billion dollar battery supply deal with Northvolt. Volkswagon Group is the biggest auto maker on the planet, and if and when they decide they want to eat Tesla's lunch, you may as well hand them a napkin.

[@Outofbox11]

could you do report on how big of carbon foot prints does battery production, EV production, solar panel, wind turbine production, electricity that charges EV, etc...

[@b22chris]

That would go against the propaganda, comrade!

[@rwhunt99]

There are a lot of "break throughs" happening and only time will tell which battery technology will come out on top, it is good for investors to hedge their bets.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

for aviation, the higher energy density of 400-500 Wh/kg will be a game changer. in a pipstrel alpha electric, you have cells with approx. 200Wh/kg. getting double the range would allow you two hours of flight. that would be great. reaching 500Wh/kg would be awesome and allows more performance and a bit more cargo. the huge cost savings on maintenance results in carbon free flying that is not more expensive than with gas. of course it would be great for cars too, but the real kicker here is the aviation industry.

[@sal5440]

Price isn't the only thing that people find off putting about an electric vehicle. If you go on a road trip and run out of juice, you don't just get brought a jerry can. Having a charging station that can handle charging a vehicle properly and effectively is costly. Having a vehicle that uses power even when "off" to keep itself cared for isn't a good thing for most people, I mean would you buy a car that uses gas when it's off? Something like 25 percent or more of people who have bought an EV went back to ICE cars already because of these and other reasons.

[@asheru9254]

Looks like Latin America needs freedom and democracy 🇨🇱

[@camaronzeus6111]

This guy gets it

[@sonnydixonvideo]

I'm sorry... I guess I don't get it. Can you elaborate?

[@asheru9254]

@@sonnydixonvideo haven't you heard yet of Giga Berlin from your beloved over lord Elon Musk? He and his buddies will coup who ever they want🤷‍♂️

[@TheAdventureAuto]

"10-20% better than lithium ion in 5 years." As if lithium ion isn't going to improve. By then lithium ion will be much greater than 10-20% ahead of where it is now.

[@nissetuta]

How do you know that?

[@TheAdventureAuto]

@@nissetuta Current trends.

[@MsHojat]

Lithium ion hasn't really changed much recently. It won't change in the future much either. The changes has mostly been stuff like bigger cells or different-shaped cells, or faster charging tolerance.

[@TheAdventureAuto]

@@MsHojat What do you expect to happen, scientists to create a genetically modified lithium? It's all about the complete package what what they can do with it. Different elements are being added to it, cells are becoming more energy dense, cells are created with less heat transfer, capability for larger cells, etc etc. You kind of answered your own question. Just 13 years ago I had an electric bike that could go 15 miles on a charge. Now a pack of the same size can go 60 miles. Lithium ion is progressing at every level.

[@digger105337]

You still need to count the cost of the electricity to charge the battery. We don't have enough to power all the planned EV's. We need hundreds of new power plants to make the power, wind And solar can't do it ever.

[@grejen711]

If the battery has enough capacity fast charging becomes much less important. 40mins to full is plenty fast enough if full is 500km.

[@scarcoengineering6243]

Started watching just to remember Cathodes are negatively charged and the diagram is misleading...then realizing conventional flow...just to realize it's still back to front.

[@pritambissonauth2181]

What Watt/Kg[Power Density] and Watt/L[Volume]?

[@stevenvictx]

They are going to have to build a LOT of new power stations .Even today, California is asking ev users to stop charging so much as it drains the grid. In a day where they are only a fraction of electric cars on the road. I doubt they will until they have to until blackouts, even at night when power is supposed to be cheapest, thats when people will be charging the most,, so say goodbye to power savings.

[@danjohnston9037]

Source Of Lithium Critical For Entire Economy Now Recovering It From Mine Waste (Dry Trailings) Should Be A Defense Priority

[@Jake-yy6zp]

Why do they never mention $thcb merging with Microvast, imo the best battery play out there

[@loriann1506]

Now it’s all about the raw material resources and the technology to do it

[@Alpha1598753]

All fine and dandy, how about the battery recycling? Current one can only be recycled to a max of 20% (in term of lithium) and that process has high risk of explosion Lithium isn't exactly what I call an abbundent ressource so being able to reycle & reuse it would be an actual big bonus, since most of it come from China and we know how eco friendly a nation that blow up mountains to make wind corridors hoping to push its pollution into another country is

[@chrisreynolds6391]

This guy is like the Tiger Woods of batteries.

[@BabyJesus66]

Did he crash his electric car?

[@chrisreynolds6391]

@@BabyJesus66 yeah and Buick bought him a new one.

[@ronch550]

I hate to think what happens when the battery gets punctured by a sharp object the car just ran over.

[@edg8535]

Think of the number of passenger and commercial vehicles in this world, add on construction and farm equipment, do not forget about housing, business, and manufacturing. What is going to be the environmental impact of securing the resources to put together that many batteries and replacements? Think, it is not that hard.

[@robertj5888]

It seems like Solid State Batteries and Lithium Metal Batteries are always 3-5 years in the future for the last two decades. It's kinda like Sustainable Nuclear Fusion Plants always being 20-40 years away for the last 60-70 years. I have no doubt we'll eventually get there with these technologies, I just wish we were more realistic about some of the shortcomings and limitations that we need to overcome to implement said technology. Maybe if we collaborated more openly with these technologies we'd actually be a lot further along.

[@ariamaze9081]

A friend in China told me that in shanhai you can rent an electrica car like a scooter, these cars only can carrie two passagers and park in specific areas...

[@mrdacusthenavigator4989]

When my lithium based stocks skyrocket up, THEN I'll get excited...

[@RobbietheMann1]

UK government needs to fund battery companies to supply the UK market too I think

[@desiv1170]

Even if they can't get them to support good fast charging, they can still be great batteries. Just maybe not for EVs. But for energy storage, and other areas where fast charging isn't important. I don't see a jump in tech from any of these battery techs. LiIon is getting better, and I think as LiIon starts to get towards it's max, then one of these options will be enough better to start to take over. But I don't see any of them as "new battery will double your range" type of things. At least not initially. It will be smaller steps of improvement. Which is still great. Pulling for all of these techs... Hopefully they find their spots...

[@SahilP2648]

Li-ion is already nearly at its max output you fool

[@desiv1170]

@@SahilP2648 Have a good day...

[@SahilP2648]

@@desiv1170 lmao. Just dodging the fact that you are wrong. Just look at Tesla's innovation in Li-ion. They literally are crawling right now trying to add density by changing the dimension and using a different packing mechanism. Even then they gained an efficiency increase of just 16%. The rest of the metrics are fabricated because they are not comparing it apples to apples: abcnews.go.com/US/teslas-battery-technology-drive-cost-electric-cars-company/story?id=73222745

[@desiv1170]

@@SahilP2648 Not dodging. I never said LiIon wasn't near it's max. Just said it was improving. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Have a good one...

[@smonyboy]

A "battery giant" with zero sales buying over a startup with zero sales. Thats hilarious

[@rojavabashur6455]

What do you mean? They have a factory up and running for over a year.

[@markBalentine123567]

you need production and mass adoption of the battery and for it to work properly before you have any actual sales DUH!!!!

[@fenderstratguy]

@Mass Debater Elon Musk had one massive advantage no EV startup today has: When Musk was starting out, he did not have to compete against a giant, well-capitalized Modern Tesla.

[@Imperial_Dynamics]

great video and full of investing ideas. Can't wait for Northvolt to go public.

[@user-vz5bu6js4p]

2 questions. 1) what is the ecological impact of building the lithium infrastructure? 2) how do you plan to recycle all those terawatt worth of batteries?..

[@eternalzoom5039]

Let's get on aluminum air batteries and lithium air batteries. They are 5x to 15x more powerful than Lithium ion batteries. This means hydrogen systems would work for cars and planes. This also means you could have plasma jet engines which means you can have an all electric jets and fighter jets. Aluminum air batteries and lithium air batteries can be made just as cheap as lithium ion batteries.

[@kxmode]

I don't know why they can't develop a high-grade polymer solar panel that can harness the sun to power the battery. Essentially either one area (like the roof) or the entire auto body is a solar panel. Electricity isn't a cost or carbon-effective "fuel" source.

[@4115steve]

well if you could make a salt based battery, then you could use heat from the sun to desalinate ocean water. then youll have drinking water and salt for batteries. if put pipes in roads to pump water from the ocean to a mountain top water wells in summer, you could irrigate crops below. in the winter you could heat the roads just above freezing to keep snow off.

[@williamcarlson5405]

From WC, thanks but I’ll just keep my payed for 2005 Honda CR-V and 2003 Ford Ranger with 300 mile plus range, $30. Tags,$500 insurance, per vehicle,once a year oil change, and yes about $2.80 per Reg. Gal. To fill them up about once a month each! So until something better comes along I’ll do just fine with what I have!

[@lcarliner]

Rather than fields of corn row charging parks, which are out of the question in dense urban areas like NYC and for owners living in areas where individual fast charging setups are also out of the question, how about the Departments of transportation and energy convene a task for of engineering representatives to develop specification standards in both physical dimension and electrical connectivity for quick exchange packs. The advantages of this are compelling. First a degree of protection from technological obsolescence is conferred as breakthrough improvements in energy storage density comes forth. Second, risk of overload of neighborhood power distribution grids is largely eliminated in that regional recharging charging and distribution centers could be located adjacent to power generating or renewable energy harvesting facilities. Range anxiety elimination would open up markets for long distance travel over interstate travel by traveling manufacture representatives and sales force. Use of liquid petroleum fuel transport tank wagons with their inherently empty back hauls would be replaced by 18-wheelers. Also, tamper proof meting modules could be built into the exchange power packs to facilitate fair transportation taxes.

[@adamt195]

Quick swap standards are too late at this point. And you don't need rows and rows of charging in dense areas like NYC. NYC already has plenty of parking decks. Just put chargers at each parking spot. For the most part, cars are becoming obsolete in city centers. Walking, biking and public transport is focus now. Even for delivery vehicles, e-cargo bikes are taking over in europe, and starting to be used in NYC.

[@lcarliner]

@@adamt195 The maximum range of 300 miles, especially in range draining cold climates renders viability of EV products in rural areas questionable. Even in high rise apartment communities where each parking place is charging hookups is provided, there is the issue of power grid overload that must be considered. Quick power pack exchange stations, which could replace today’s filling stations, serviced by regional recharging centers located adjacent to power generation or renewable harvesting plants would eliminate neighborhood distribution grids and power loss inherent in long distant power plants. Possible breakthrough aluminum power packs with some 2300 mile range, but not rechargeable, but recyclable would be perfect for quick exchange.

[@adamt195]

@@lcarliner That still treats EVs like gas cars, that need to go to a swap station, just like a gas station. Rather than charging at home everyday for just a few hours. 99.9% of the time, people are not charging all 300 miles of range. Over 50% of trips are 3 miles or less. Even just 10 miles of range would cover roughly 2/3 of all trips.

[@lcarliner]

@@adamt195 The ability to be able to take a 900 mile trip from the Maryland suburban DC area to north of Tampa, Florida, in a 15 hour drive with just one or two fueling stops would be a thing of the past without the quick exchange option! A few hours to overnight layover for a full charge would not go! For short distance neighborhood commutes or errands, the EV individual charging hookups would work, but not for those with long distance commutes from rural areas! There is a startup company in California, named Ample, that devised a system for quick exchange power packs.

[@adamt195]

@@lcarliner Yeah we have these things called DC Fast charging stations. DC to Tampa really could be done by train though. If we had better investment in high speed rail it would be doable in under 10 hours. DC to Atlanta would be 4 hours.

[@warsin8641]

When is release date?

[@deanroddey2881]

No battery breakthroughs are going really get all of us apartment dwellers on EVs. Unless my apartment comes with my own private charger that I can plug into at night, and which someone else can't just drive by while I'm asleep or away and get a free charge on my dime from, then it's pretty much a non-starter. An apartment complex with four or five charges off in one place will never work. Am I going to go out ten times every evening, probably in the rain, to see if there's an available charging bay, and remember to go back at the right time, so that someone doesn't key my car because I forgot and left it in the bay so that they couldn't recharge? It's really something that's mostly only practical for home owners, which in many areas still means it will be only for the more financially well off. And anywhere besides out in the boonies, there will be a lot more apartment owners than home owners, despite many of those apartment owners making good money, because of the cost of houses in those areas. So many of them could afford an EV but probably wouldn't want to because of the hassle of keeping it charged while living in an apartment.

[@rud]

We need this now. Otherwise I might be forced to fly commercial again. With ordinary people (shudder). No that can’t happen.

[@drpandit]

2:20 Anode is negatively charged and cathode is positively charged? Are you kidding me right now?

[@NoName-mi7bd]

That’s true

[@testboga5991]

If I had a penny for every next "big thing in battery tech"...

[@la7dfa]

There are several promising techs now. What need to be done is to get them from labs to big scale production while keeping cost down to

[@sweiland75]

How long will the global lithium supply last with the increase of electric vehicles using lithium batteries and is the lithium recycleable?

[@Otter-Destruction]

The next big thing is portable fusion reactors that you can connect to anything.

[@Duraltia]

@07:03 Let's be honest... Any industry ever so far has taught us that given the choice in reducing the cost by not using up the freed-up resource achieved by technological advancements everyone ever has chosen to instead make use of that freed-up resource by adding more of it while either keeping the cost or increasing it - I'd also argue that with people still having range anxiety ( top reason why my mother wouldn't buy an electric car ) you're preaching against a wall with that argument.

[@clovercentral4300]

@ 0:21 Actually, I want to also point out that in comparison to the lack of innovation of battery technologies, the lack of electric charging infrastructure is the bigger problem.

[@jamescc-sb7bp]

these batteries are not new. It is called LFP in china and was used in all BYD electric car since late 2020. I think CATL also producing LFP for automakers worldwide.

[@jarrettb6701]

Did they just forget about LG, Panasonic, and Tesla?

[@saulgoodman2018]

They have been saying this same thing for the last 20 years. You always hear them working on new battery technology. But they never come out.

[@nathanhyde2946]

Battery innovation has improved significantly but there hasn’t been a push until now.

[@perforongo9078]

Yes, no one has ever come out with any new EV battery technology at all.

[@MrLoobu]

Its like with the fossil fuel industry. If their idea is any threat to the industry the older monopoly kills it. People think science and technology drive companies, its only ever greed.

[@luckypete33]

So how is this any different from extracting oil or gas from the earth? We still need to mine many materials....does that have an impact on the climate?

[@Masterrunescapeer]

It's a matter of scale, mining the resources for batteries that will last 10/20 years and can probably mostly be reused with most energy coming from renewables with lower carbon footprint vs constant oil that's highly polluting.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

All we really need to be able to do is power the toys for the children -- thats all that matters 🤣

[@paulholterhaus7084]

My Toy is My EV............Paul.............Older Child

[@johnathonwelch4425]

Not gonna lie when they said electrolyte I thought it’s got what plants crave!

[@wades623]

plants crave CO2 so it would be going backward for that. yes i get the joke so just dont

[@rd9102]

My needs before i even consider leaving my ICE vehicles behind. 1. 500 mile range. 2. Need to be able to recharge within 10-15 minutes. 3. Price must be on par or cheaper than ICE vehicles. Without ALL 3 of these, i will never consider an EV over an ICE vehicle.

[@DelbertStinkfester]

Where does Lithium come from?

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Why even report on experimental products years away from possible production. I've got a big stack of Popular Science magazines going back to the nineties full of stuff promising never delivering.

[@elwood6548]

I wonder what battery is coming out next week?

[@netterdrachen1687]

I don't think this is a break through because it still uses Lithium, which is very expensive compared to for example sodium.

[@doggo2836]

Well we're repeating the history, remember the first car back in the days was so expensive? Now we've to wait till ev get cheaper too

[@zion3335]

the first car back in the day was also electric.....Well we're repeating history indeed...

[@triadwarfare]

@@zion3335 only took a hundred years

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

Those glove boxes are reminiscent of the glove boxes at Hanford's Plutonium plant. Hee hee.

[@gathonar]

Won't see for years and years even if they even managed to get a factory made or one to put this in to production. This may as well be from a parallel universe.

[@eight7934]

in the topic of flying cars, safety strikes my mind as most important, car crashes are dangerous and having millions of them flying around seems extremely dangerous(cars flying into houses/buildings) so safety systems would be essential to this becomming acceptable to the masses as the future way of traveling.

[@petersvancarek]

Lithium metal solid electrolyte sulphur batteries! Simple chemistry, practically nonflamable, energy density about 1000Wh/kg.

[@nemos890]

We are waiting for Tesla model 2...😄😄 Should be very affordable..

[@causeoflava]

and built like carboard!

[@fredfrond6148]

They will probably not sell the model 2 to the public in a big way. The plan I think is combine it with their FSD and sell it as a leased car.

[@jaytang4954]

wtf, you know theyre on model 3 already right? and a tesla today cost 36k cad

[@nemos890]

@@jaytang4954 I am talking about 25k Electric vehicles... otherwise Tesla will not cross more than 30% of global EV market..

[@fredfrond6148]

@420KinK I lost you at robo taxis. Probably like I lost a lot of people at evs. Before that I lost a bunch at hybrid cars. Yes I am that old.

[@nostrx450]

I was hoping this video could be taken seriously. But, they don’t even mention anything from Tesla’s battery day last year. 🤦‍♂️

[@triadwarfare]

Because Tesla won't share. Their technology is theirs alone.

[@hidetsu7249]

Our daily doses of Battery breakthrough how nice.

[@user-no6gy9sd3f]

What happened to lithium sulphur and lithium air battery?

[@agoogler1887]

Really enjoyed the program

[@lawai_macha]

11 mins of battery stock footage

[@MrGonzonator]

Wow, all that and no a single mention of Tesla. Congratulations!

[@ACPilot]

Who is Tesla?

[@ninadsheth8422]

SPAC money could scale this up but really it looks metallic lethium is a ten year bet ... which isn't really that long

[@RafiqueHola]

This video focuses so much on the improvement of lithium battery but doesn't mention the environmental impact lithium mining has on the environment???

[@normi0]

those are some nice batteries but DAMN THOSE EYES 7:00

[@mamadouaziza2536]

So, if a Tesla Model 3 SR was a gas car it would cost $23k? Because its sure built like a $23k car.. Cheap..

[@Tripskiii]

hes saying the transportation sector but that includes planes which are 95% of that sectors emissions, he's really clever in disguising the car *problem* with planes, cars and trucks amount to under 5% of global emissions, we should be working on green planes not green cars.