Why This Is The Most EVIL Thing Joe Goldberg Has Done In YOU Netflix

I review, breakdown and explain You Season 4 Part 2 Netflix. I discuss Joe and Nadia during the ending and why it is the worst thing he has ever done. I react to other moments in the show that involve Beck, Love, Marienna, Kate and others. I also give my theories and predictions on how it will impact him in Season 5.
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[@BrainPilot]

Do you think this is the most evil thing that Joe has done in YOU? Comment your thoughts below!

[@maxmarx2]

Definitely one of his vile acts

[@nont18411]

None of his actions are evil enough. I want to see him push more and more boundaries. I enjoy watching him abusing people. (Still mad that in Better Call Saul, Jimmy didn’t kill that old lady. He should have gone all the way.)

[@orlandoalvarado3708]

​@@nont18411 That's fucked up

[@simonskrinyar9510]

Killing Rhys for nothing was the most evil thing he has done

[@danwarner7816]

Technically most evil thing was leading neighbour in S3 to take his own life and frame everything on love

[@simina8118]

i like the way they developed his character in such way that people wouldn’t romanticize him as much

[@bluecollarmenproductions]

For sure shows his true self

[@BrainPilot]

So true! He’s past the point of no return now!

[@Kalinbuggs]

Oh next season ppl will drink the kool aid again

[@undeadarmy19]

Because Joe has always been a character with an extreme amount of nuance. He does bad things, and he also does incredibly good things too. Most of the people he DID kill were objectively terrible people as well. Season 2 let us look into his childhood and showed why he was the way he was, having to kill his father and then getting abandoned by his mother in his time of need, which obviously opened the door for some sociopathic traits. People liked him because of all the time he spent showing his empathetic side, how charming and smart he was, and how he protected kids. People would be torn because they knew they weren't SUPPOSED to like him, because of the killing and stalking, but they did. If you didn't have this nuance, you wouldn't have the successful show either. Now that they've changed him into a more objectively evil character, I'm willing to bet that people wont like him or the show as much.

[@ej5677]

Not to mention his actor, Penn Badgely has consistently said outside the show that Joe is a monster who should not be romanticised by fans. So props to him as well

[@resurekt97]

What scares me even more is that it wasn't his other personality that killed Edward it was the regular Joe Goldberg but his darker side has taken over.

[@KiyokoSa]

No it wasn't "Joe" it was "Rhys" didn't you see the end where it's the reflection of Rhys that showed in the end?

[@Aliciae411]

@@KiyokoSa right but rhys is his darker side. They have just become one. Rhys is joe joe is Rhys now

[@kenziii5973]

Dude its still him all along. whether you call his disocciative identity disorder as it is or give in to his défensive mecanisme that's calling the Killer side of him as "ryhs" or any other persona he comes up with 🙃 its Joe goldberg the Killer and the Killer is him

[@KiyokoSa]

@@kenziii5973 ofc I know that, what I'm saying is, it's not his conscious self. You know psychology is a lot more complex than you're making out. Obv it's all him, one person, but a split personality is a real disorder and much more complex in a court of law.

[@JonJayAllDay]

That was the first time I’ve ever been truly scared of Joe, like that was some slasher stuff, we didn’t even see him do it. When Joe kills we always tend to see the actual act, so we’re just as shocked Nadia and it’s kind of scary now knowing Joe is capable of something like that. I thought for sure she was dead but him framing her just feels so much worst, because she was innocent and she did so much to help Mariene get out of that box, she didn’t deserve that at all.

[@amiliohana5097]

The fact that they didnt even show him killing eddie kinda makes it worse. Joe usually after killing would still feel some level of disgust and horror but he probably didnt feel anything when he killed eddie

[@JonJayAllDay]

That was the first time I’ve ever really been truly scared of Joe, like that was some straight slasher stuff, because your right we didn’t even see him do it. When Joe kills we usually tend to see the actual act or lead up but we didn’t so we’re all just as shocked as Nadia. Its kind of scary now knowing Joe is capable of something like that now. I thought for sure she was dead but him framing her just feels so much worst, because she was innocent and she did so much to help Mariene get out of that box, she didn’t deserve that at all.

[@danwarner7816]

Neither when he killed most of his friends in S4 starting with Malcolm

[@intothewoods2033]

I don’t think he ever really cared, he just WANTED to. He wanted to be that person but this season shows, he isn’t. He has no real remorse or redemption

[@amiliohana5097]

@@JonJayAllDay they also didnt show how he killed beck. Like ik he strangled her but they didnt show the act prob cuz of how vile and disgustingly cruel joe really is

[@mrjudgypants]

Man should've stayed dead. I feel like they are just dragging the show now, next season will be just like season 3. Marianne might come back for revenge, a bunch of characters from previous seasons, he'll be talking to a lot of ghosts, too many bodybags, kate will find out joe killed her dad she'll want to leave him for the exact reason she hated her dad and end up dead or she might just outsmart him because she's clever.

[@racheljenkins8340]

What annoyed me about this is the fact that Kate didn't want to be like her dad, but ended up being exactly like him (even worse imo)

[@BrainPilot]

So true - and I feel she's only going to get worse in the next season too!

[@evamathebula4448]

Yeah that's why she was his favourite daughter. Her father saw through her

[@iramontero9695]

Exactly!

[@xxxmochibaby]

That’s the whole point lol. The whole season they are trying to convince eachother they are good ppl but ironically they just help eachother to embrace their true evil selves

[@angelreads5300]

I agree and this is kinda similar to what happened with Joe and Love in season 3. When I found out that Love is also a sociopath like Joe, i was like 'oh, now Joe found someone as crazy as himself, they'll be perfect together'. But then we all know how well their relationship turned out. I think if there's a S5, Joe and Kate's relationship will start getting weaker which will lead into murders and this cycle would just not end. I sometimes feel, they could've ended it perfectly in this season with Joe committing suicide, or at least him having the change of heart as we thought he had until he murdered Eddie blaming it on Nadia, because doing that just starts the cycle of his evilness again.

[@xHarlequin]

I feel especially bad for Edward because he was not really interested in getting involved, he was just trying to be a good friend to Nadia.

[@MrSidney9]

nice guys finish last. In this case, it gets you murdered. Nadia was using him .

[@daviddegea3373]

That's the issue with thinking with your dik instead of your brains. Lost over lust.

[@SportsGamingElite]

@@MrSidney9 facts, she was using the fuck out of him

[@yolkthosenuts]

@@MrSidney9 cringe

[@yolkthosenuts]

@@SportsGamingElite What? Didn't she tell Edward that this was too dangerous for him and she shouldn't have gotten him involved, but Edward insisted on helping???

[@l30ng62]

Season 3 ended with Joe at his most human in sending his son away Season 4 ends with him at his most inhuman when he makes the kind of character he tried so hard to protect in the past (Paco, Elli...) suffer for his sins He knows what he is now and he relishes in it

[@Chadmlad]

I guess you could say Joe....broke bad......

[@Polkadot2]

Exactly

[@alatielinara]

I actually think Nadya scene was kinda shift to the reality. Most of the scenes in the show are from the unreliable narrator's point so we are in Joe's head or we know why he doing what he is doing. End of season 4 showed us real Joe, where he had a choice and he really chose to kill and frame Nadya and did it in cold blood. I think seasons 3 and 4 were proving that Joe will never change. That killer is a killer no matter how good of a story he tells himself. And that Joe kills not of love but for power.

[@ShyOff]

​@@Chadmladhello, may I show you the door? 😂

[@JustnNDTrollSniper]

​​@@alatielinara ​​​​it seemed like a clear shift in his character to me. If this is who Joe always "truly was", he did a hell of a lot of rationalzing his killings before this season. And it defeats the purpose of having his character create an entire hallucination/alter ego to carry out the killings in a more psychopathic manner. If he never truly had remorse, it would be much easier to identify with the psychopathic part of himself. I think it's more so that Joe's changed and evolved as he's dealt with more and more trauma and toxic people/relationships. It is true that he also dealt out plenty of trauma and was very toxic to other people himself, but it all tied back to the trauma he suffered as a kid from seeing his mother get abused and being abused himself. The "psychopath with no remorse" isn't truly "who he is" anymore than the empathetic side we've seen when he protected the younger people around him, or the obsessive and insecure side that we've seen when he finds a new love interest. He protected the younger people in his life because he could see himself in them and didn't want them to have to go through the same things. He killed the women in his life for fear of abandonment after being abandoned as a child. Psychologically speaking, Joe's behavior up until this point has been more consistent with borderline personality disorder and disassociative identity disorder than psychopathic/sociopathic without remorse. I think each of these sides that we see are all new aspects of himself that are continuously manifesting and evolving in response to his upbringing and ever-changing environment

[@mleekahh]

In all 3 seasons Ive never been scared of Joe. Season 4 part 2 terrified me

[@BrainPilot]

I know what you mean - he was just pure darkness wasn't he!

[@namratakamble5465]

I totally agree

[@KingofCurses-Sukuna]

​@@BrainPilot Hey man, I've got a question, does Kate know about Joe killing Edward and framing Nadia? Aswell as him killing her father?

[@acridaix]

@@KingofCurses-Sukuna prob not

[@ReaseRice]

If we’re going to be completely honest, the actress that plays Nadia is extremely extremely talented. I felt every bit of horror, uncertainty, and sorrow in her facial expressions. Props to her. Hate what happened to her so bad.

[@3120magicmag]

Me too. 😢

[@Lily-cl6zk]

She's been in quite a few popular shows in the UK, she's just going to get more famous

[@charlenecmusic]

She was brilliant

[@JenniferHales]

She's only like 19. Why is he hurting a kid😢

[@saylorgrey1029]

Yes, she was brilliant. That’s the first time I’ve seen her as an actress. Would love to see her in more.

[@fzzypurpleturtle]

So often he has remorse while or after he’s done something. With Nadia he was almost boastful, and unapologetic. And that’s what made it really creepy to me

[@ashleighwoodall2283]

Exactly! He's integrated with his alter . He was compartmentalizing and in denial that he was a bad person . Now that he's integrated with his alter personality of Rhys he's accepted himself for the murderer he is . So he feels no more guilt or remorse.

[@nogodsnomasters6963]

Never saw it as real remorse. More like remorse about not living up to the Good Guy TM persona he has narcissistically crafted for himself. It's more like self-pity. Real remorse does not lead to more, ONGOING, killings, no matter how much he sees himself as victim of the circumstances. I think he couldn't keep that bs up anymore, so rather started embracing it and punished the woman for being smarter and better than him in every way.

[@justanmpowereddude5021]

He couldn’t killed her. Maybe he would’ve been more remorseful 😂

[@fortnitegliches2092]

@@nogodsnomasters6963 wym smarter and better he literally caught onto her, killed the only person who knew about him other than her, then rather than having to hide 2 dead bodies pinned it all on her. That girl was a lot of things, Smarter than joe is not one of them.

[@Zezam_]

I mean usually we get to hear his thoughts and perspective during the murders. Now we didnt, so i think if we got to hear his thoughts he would be remorseful and the reason he didnt kill nadia and just framed her is cuz he likes her prob. But now we get to see Joe from the victims perspective and not his in this scene. If u got that in other murders it would probably look simillar

[@DaishaRai]

I agree with what some other people are saying in the comments. We usually see Joe’s murders from his point of view & with his internal monologue. This time we saw it from an outside perspective/Nadia’s point of view. That scene made us free to decide how we actually feel about Joe without being manipulated by Joe’s perception of himself. And with Joe embracing his darker side on top of that, we feel very disconnected from him in the final scene.

[@Cbrunning849]

Great point, I hadn't really thought about through each murder we as viewers also get manipulated by Joe because you hear his internal dialogue. You take that away and you see the Joe the rest of the world sees. This also explains why I felt sooo scared and nervous during the Marienne scenes early in the season, because you just see it from her perspective and dudes terrifying haha

[@DaishaRai]

@@Cbrunning849 That’s true too! We even watch the starting point of Joe’s severe dissociation through Marienne’s point of view!

[@zalitosway8419]

Like he said the closer you are the more you realize how human that person is

[@DaishaRai]

@@zalitosway8419 you right :)

[@growupanushka]

Yes, I love that. I also loved how they showed the kidnapping of Marienne from her perspective. The show has gone out of their way this season to show the impact of Joe's horrible actions to us. They've finally stopped romanticizing him and forced us to see him for who he truly is.

[@caramelcookie1765]

Nadia was warned about Joe and she still thought she could out smart Joe. But Joe has always made self-preservation moves in every finale episode. This was the one for season 4. If Nadia wanted to truly outsmart Joe, she would have posted the pics from Joe's obsession box the moment she took them. She didn't think as fast as Joe. I never saw Nadia as a Paco or Eli.

[@esepx]

I saw Nadia more as a Delilah figure, just instead of her dying (Delilah wasnt killed by Joe, but still) she gets framed

[@Septa7Seven]

I've seen a lot of people comment that Nadia should've minded her own business. But I think Nadia had a few things working against her judgment in this situation. 1. The obligation to "do the right thing" - it's hammered into our brains as kids that doing the right thing and being selfless are important virtues. But it is through age and life experience that we learn that sometimes the smart thing to do is preserve your own self interests. Though Nadia is not a child, she's still young and naive enough to not know better. 2. Dunning-Kruger effect - she's passionate about solving crimes and believes she knows more than she actually does. She over estimated her abilities as a crime buster, again because of her limited life experience. And also, partially, due to the high of having successfully saved Marienne, she thought she could do more. 3. Perception of Joe's power - Marienne told her not to call the police because Joe is too dangerous. This suggested to Nadia that Joe is too smart to be caught by law enforcement. But at the same time, she and Marianne participated in a successful scheme to outsmart Joe. So, in Nadia's mind, this computed as "Joe will not be too smart against law enforcement if I gather enough evidence." 4. Betrayal by authority - Joe was Nadia's authority (and even someone she trusted), and he turned out to be a bad person, which enforced that authority doesn't mean trustworthy. Malcom was Nadia's authority (and he slept with her) but got killed, which enforced to her that authority doesn't mean powerful. The police are authority, but at this stage, authority didn't mean much to Nadia anymore because of these previous examples.

[@ebrooke953]

@@Septa7Seven excellent breakdown!! one small thing, it's Marienne not Marriam 🙈 (for anyone who's slow like me haha)

[@Septa7Seven]

@@ebrooke953 Apologies🙈. I've corrected it.

[@onuhrita5009]

So much for the smartest person in class, I expected her do better, yes, yes, Joe would have escaped but there would have been a manhunt, he wouldn't have escaped that easily but no, she wanted to be 'smarter' and dragged that poor boy to his death. I expected her to die but she deserved this. She wasn't as smart as Diana sister

[@AlekleahZ]

He cared for Paco and protected him and his mother from Ron. He cared for Ellie and protected her from Henderson, and Love, and sent her away. (Probably still sends her money) He chose to save Theo, and gave up his son to keep him safe and away from this life. This was cold. While Nadia is still alive, killing Eddie and framing her extinguishes that little flame he had lit in himself for protecting the youth. Joe is embracing the villain he is, and needs to be taken down for good.

[@franklinsantillan17]

The three you mentioned before were victims . This was not a victim, it was a nosy little brat trying to play detective, and the other dude cause was all over her ass end up getting killed too

[@efrenii4784]

All true, but I think he stopped sending Ellie money when he faked his murder at the end of S3 to protect his own identity. Which unfortunately prolly means Ellie was without extra cash a yr or two after Delilah’s death. The creators have said how they wanted Jenna Ortega/Ellie back for S4, maybe a scene or something. My guess is Ellie’s reaction finding out Joe is still alive and has returned to New York, where she may actually reside in cuz Joe suggested Ellie to go to the other side of the country from LA. But Jenna Ortega was ofc busy with Wednesday, but she said she’d still be interested. I hope she returns as a main character going against Joe

[@rachitdang7453]

@@efrenii4784 Did Ellie ever knew him as Joe, I think she knew him as Will Bettleheim, not Joe. So he might still be sending her money as Will, not Joe.

[@Kurucnik]

@@efrenii4784 Hope as well. That would be awesome.

[@daralic2255]

We don’t really know how Paco is doing after meeting Joe. Remember the last thing he did for Joe was not open the door to save Beck when Joe killed her.

[@AMCW90]

It's different because we are no longer able to empathize his reasoning for doing something evil. In the previous seasons it's easy to say " yeah he's crazy, but his intentions were in the right place". Where as in this season, not only do we FULLY see his actions from a different perspective, this last killing of Edward then framing Nadia wasn't for the "benefit" of someone he cares about, it was to ONLY benefit himself and maintain the new life he built with Kate. So we can no longer be blinded by his inner monologue trying to convince us that he isn't the villain when we finally see who he actually is.

[@vilius_very_smart]

Nadia was harassing him and constantly breaking into his house and snooping around, she deserved to get framed

[@pankajsarmal2038]

Yes, exactly! This was the point of no return. He was fighting his dark side for all the seasons but in the end, it consumed him and he's okay with that. This is where we truly see Joe becoming evil. Thanks for pointing this out!

[@alatielinara]

I dont think he was actually fighting the dark side. He was fighting for the illusion of being a hero. He was fighting narrator Joe that tells himself a story how he do anything for love. In the end of season 4 he realises that he doing it only for himself, no matter what story he tells.

[@pankajsarmal2038]

@@alatielinara Yes, agreed.

[@adhdgirlies]

​@Горизонт завален exactly he was always batshit crazy. A Deranged narcissist with mommy issues

[@Cbrunning849]

​@@alatielinara Exactly! He's always been evil (he's killed a lot of people!) But now he's done pretending it's all for love and he has accepted who he's been all along...a dude that enjoys being a serial killer

[@LEFT4BASS]

He was always evil. The difference now is that he accepts and embraces it.

[@Supasaiyan2k19]

Nadia will feel like it was for her fault because she did get him evolved, and she might feel like she had the power to stop him sooner somehow

[@Dextermayer]

Imo Nadia should have just given up after she came back and didn’t find Marianne, she was already warned about joe but still went snooping in his apartment, kind of a dumb move in her part ngl

[@kiranolan7104]

I liked Nadia but I knew Joe would catch her in the end. She's pretty smart but Joe is smarter. She should have known better than to break into his place several times for investigating. It always drives me crazy when characters think they can outsmart the bad guy.

[@BrainPilot]

True! I guess she just wanted to do what was for the greater good but it didn’t work out well for her!

[@EwingAmaterasu]

Joe began with his full dark side, but unaware that it was there. After season 2, he really tried to be a good guy and that fractured his mind. At the end of season 4, he has finally embraced who he truly is. Individually, he is now beyond good and evil.

[@alatielinara]

I dont think he ever really tried to be a good guy. It was a story to make him a hero in his mind, but in reality he wasn't sad because of the bad thing he had but because things never went his way. Now he has all the control, he got "the girl" and we see real Joe on the surface.

[@mrjudgypants]

Joe just lived in denial. He wanted to do good but his other personality didn't let him. He had a good side but that's gone now too. He cares but he's obsessive and possessive. Poor kate. How she agreed to stay with him after he revealed all his secrets is a mystery to me. Girl is desperate.

[@EwingAmaterasu]

@@mrjudgypants some girls like bad boys.

[@NileSWPhotography]

@@mrjudgypants she's worse than him, guaranteed. I reckon she might even be a little worse than him but with Daddy's money backing her she remained innocent in everyone's eyes. S5 should be interesting.

[@akasuki9614]

​​@@NileSWPhotography yup that's what I think too. Either Joe didn't come clean about all the murders he did or kate is just worse.. I feel like she has done alot of bad things we don't know about yet..

[@jj07278]

I swear he is the only character where character regression is actually development

[@BrainPilot]

Looool! That's so true

[@rafaelrodriguez-oc4ph]

I once thought that the minute he killed a child in YOU, it would be the point of no return for Joe. I rly didn't expect that to become a reality (although Eddie and Nadia were young adults but still) Edit: Should've been more specific. I meant more in the sense that Joe normally would see them as protégés (like he did with Paco and Ellie), this time he just ruined their lives without remorse

[@paulw858]

I'm not arguing the severity of killing a child vs killing a young adult, but I will say that I don't think many people think of the young adult deaths in nearly the same way and taboo as killing an actual child. I think you might be sensationalizing a little bit.

[@ricardo.i.i.i]

Completely agree

[@ace2311]

​@@paulw858 agree. I wouldn't consider Nadia and Eddie kids in the slightest. Unlike children, they had enough intuition to know not to get involved in dangerous situations

[@unfortunatelygen]

@@paulw858 while that's true, i think in Joe's case, it's different. it's something we've never seen him do and it doesn't really seem like something he'd do in the past. he likes protecting the young, no matter what age, cus he was severely abused in those years.

[@radhiadeedou8286]

No not still, they're not children, tf are you talking about

[@thanmayimanjunath9335]

The last scene shows joe looking into his reflection and his reflection is Rhys. This basically shows that he had become one with his dark side and the integration had taken place. His feelings of empathy and self-disgust that come with killing are replaced with sadistic pleasure in cockiness at the fact that he's good at it. The season finally shines the light on what Joe actually is and how on the bottom line a sick man. This added layer is what I think is going to elevate this show from being "guy with a tough past doing bad things to earn and protect the ones he loves" to a real thriller where you cannot sympathize with this serial killer anymore.

[@Fuzballoffur]

This was not the worst thing he’s ever done, the audience is just no longer being manipulated by his inner dialogue describing why he “had to do it”. He’s finally being honest with himself about who he is and the audience is being forced to be honest with him. Unfortunately I think the character Rhys seems to be confusing people. Joe was hiding from himself behind Rhys, do his victims really care that he pretended to be a good guy when he hurt them? IMO, it brings in the element of cognitive dissonance and made it worse.

[@smartwater598]

Make audiences like him more now

[@no.6377]

The scene where Joe sees Gwen almost calls out the audience for our own bias. Her worst crime was being "mediocre" and hurting Joe's feelings. And he murdered her for it.

[@ruthhill5217]

I agree with everything else you say, but I also think it was actually the worst thing he's ever done. The only thing that rivals it is killing Beck and framing Dr Nicky, but I think that was marginally less evil given that Dr Nicky was at least doing something wrong (sleeping with patients and cheating on his wife), even if he didn't deserve to be framed and get life in prison for it. Poor Nadia wasn't doing anything wrong, just trying to get justice and protect people from Joe. What he did to the real Rhys is also up there, but at the time he genuinely believed that he was a murderer and kidnapped Marienne, so in terms of motive it wasn't as evil imo (although terrible in terms of results, obviously). Also, I think the premeditation and lack of remorse with Nadia and Eddie makes it even worse.

[@vladiminputin3475]

@@ruthhill5217 that's why people should mind their bussiness instead of try to become hero

[@the.blue.raven7777]

If Nadia were a normal person, she would have gone to the police when she found Marianne

[@nathanielikhagbode7897]

That is what i keep saying dawg. Like even as a measure to protect herself. What if MARIENNE was crazy as well. I like to see it as this, You see a woman that is dirty in a bulletproof cage, you don’t know who she is, and you are not even concerned about your own Safety, knowing that your professor may be a Psychopathic serial killer, and you decide to take matters into your own hands and play hero. Cant be me!!!!!! would have called the cops

[@enosh71]

The cops are a joke in this show. It's baffling to see that none of murder was investigated by police despite Joe leaving so many evidences after evey kill, like that piss in the Jar when he murdered Peach! 😂

[@nathanielikhagbode7897]

@@enosh71 To be fair i think Joe did a good job at covering his kills. The jar of piss was annoying, but i would assume that since they had no DNA to match the piss against, it was kinda useless, idk. My only problem is how have no cameras caught joe yet ???

[@user-su2ou2zx6k]

@@enosh71 to be honnest, when you know the number of dispearences insolved PER DAY, you start to think this is not that fictionnal ...

[@LifeisaBeautifulting]

She wanted to go to the police but Marienne stopped her I think

[@danwarner7816]

Nadia is literal iteration of Rhys book instead of good man in a cruel world A good character in a cruel show now 😬

[@markjohnson-zr1bg]

Thanks...you do seem nice,how are you?

[@justanotherdustinthewind1166]

No, she isnt "good" a good person wouldnt even notice Joe's behaivor. She is just a tool for the end.

[@danwarner7816]

@@justanotherdustinthewind1166 so in other words s3 we saw kinda good side to joe character, s4 we saw complete evil and dangerous side. Its most impossible to not see mother and half/step brother appear in s5

[@80sports20]

Seeing people locked in the “glass cage” is just sick and disturbing. I get a sick feeling in my stomach every time I see it. I’m just holding out hope that Joe gets a cruel torturous death in the final season. Seemed like Marianne was really mad and wants revenge at the end of the season. Agree what he did to Nadia and her friend was plain cruel. I hate Joe lol

[@drnamankhatri]

100% agree. I was hoping that he will die in this season but he didn't.

[@LEFT4BASS]

I know it’s too late now, but I really liked the idea of him being caught and sentenced to death, and as he’s in the chair waiting to be electrocuted, he sees all the women he killed and says “I knew you loved me”. Wouldn’t really work now, but it would have been a great ending.

[@martinmartins7703]

I think it would be better if it ended with him alive and stuck in a glass cage for the rest of his life.

[@Jaidynz17]

Wanting him to die would make you just as bad as him.

[@bigmax5780]

Yes a better call saul ending would be amazing

[@tonyc7301]

I completely agree. He was going to leave England with Kate and all the money and power he could ever ask for. He still chose to kill Eddie and frame Nadia, who were two of his students and good people. Also, Joe usually felt terrible after killing someone, but here he almost seems proud of himself. His personality now is much more like Love’s character, who not only enjoyed killing people, but got sexually aroused by it.

[@jacobpinkney5590]

He doesn't get aroused by it. he takes advantage of killing people knowing he's capable of terrible things instead of resenting it

[@melodyconte]

5:14 let's talk costume design for a minute: I JUST noticed Nadia is wearing a key necklace and she was the one who set Marion free 🤯

[@ashbalakhan9987]

ikr... I'm like girl there's the key that you need.. lmao

[@mariannegabriel1699]

I feel like season 4 has a huge plot hole especially with the hitman sent by the quinn family telling them that he killed joe, and knowing that they're a really influential family I feel like they could come back for revenge

[@joshpotter8658]

I feel like there were a lot of plot holes in season 4

[@rayahjaymes2413]

The hitman plays a MUCH bigger part in the book series. He's this constant annoying threat, demanding money or Joes obedience. REALLY REALLY GOOD.

[@simeonwindeth1847]

It was the most coldest, confidently dangerous he has ever been. He completely embraced and took pleasure from this part of his dark self. This was Joe Goldberg utilising his darkness at full strength while being his charming self.

[@vidy0]

He did so many evil things to innocent people in the past that weren't out of love but pure selfishness and evil, like killing Beck, locking up Delilah, and trying to kill Candance. He has consistently shown that he would do anything except allow himself to go to jail. Rather kill and frame than take responsibility. Nadia and Edward were a lot like Candance, going out of their way to ensure no one else died, even putting themselves in danger to save Marianne. Nadia didn't go to the police because she believed Marianne that it would put both of them in more danger if the police decided to interrogate him but then did nothing. After all, there wasn't enough evidence. That's brave as hell. They died acting out of genuine empathy and a sense of responsibility, which Joe never had. This is just in a long line of complete in-character actions for Joe. The scary thing is that he is essentially a billionaire now, so the truth is clear: he is selfish. He can no longer act like a helpless, traumatized person on the run.

[@bluecollarmenproductions]

He’s always been evil the show is finally like “HE IS EVIL!”

[@yourwrongimright101_69]

He was bad then tried really hard to be good but unfortunately became evil. I kinda feel bad for him

[@danwarner7816]

Idk about evil but defo thanos bad when he has all resources now

[@bluecollarmenproductions]

@@yourwrongimright101_69 he didn’t actually though he wants to be the victim so bad he created an alter ego

[@Ashu-qp4up]

​@@bluecollarmenproductionsI think sometimes he was actually thinking about what he did. For example there is this scene where he was thinking about his childhood questioning why he became like that. He actually never liked what he did. Even in season 4, he had two personalities. And his intention was really to save from the killer without knowing he was the one who killed everyone.

[@jennifersasser3802]

I couldn’t believe the plot twist when Nadia switch the phone numbers in the medication with Mary Anne, and ended up freeing her I did not see that one coming

[@ashbalakhan9987]

it was a great and dangerous escape plan, especially making him believe that she's dead.

[@dijone11mus1]

Joe was not flexing his power. He was showing his embraced form of killing. That’s why at the end you see the reflection of Rhys in the window. Joe drowned in the water and the Rhys form lived and survived. That was the whole purpose of this season. The purpose is for the audience to no longer connect with the old Joe because we now know he’s capable of just evil. So next season, the final season, there will likely be the introduction of a hero who will end Joe.

[@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends]

I wanna know what happens when he starts lying to Kate and eventually another person catches his interest. I don't believe he's actually in love with her. I think a part of him THINKS he is, just like with love. And kate only thinks he's killed LOVE; probably justifying it by saying she was a crazy murderer. Kate ALSO thinks someone else was the eat the rich killer. They didn't say he told he about any of the other things he's done. So I'm interested in seeing if she will find out with her infinite resources and what she will do about it.

[@wizardclintx1900]

kate also doesnt know that he killed her dad

[@Grey_witch88]

He’s not in love with Kate, he’s only using her and her money for redemption for a second chance at life. Notice how he mentions at the end of the last episode, he mentions the heartbreak of Marianne’s death being part of him? The only thing he mentioned about Kate is that her resources allowed him to come back to NYC.

[@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends]

@Llama_lima88 I agree. He is Def happy about her money. And I can't help but feel she was attracted to a man just like her father even if she doesn't know it yet

[@g.s.1722]

Kate knows about him killing Rhys as well but just thinks her dad made him do it

[@SomebodyStopMe1111]

@@g.s.1722 Well, she knows he framed an innocent student for it and killed another. She has to know that. She's not stupid. She's just as evil as him.

[@landismithCOJ]

If they ever do a modern day Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, then Penn Badgely has to be cast as the title role.

[@a.brooks6439]

I love how that’s the book the key was in LOL

[@bluecollarmenproductions]

There’s something very creepy about him besides the killing how so many people including me relate to him and some of his attachment issues it’s crazy

[@jesscrich13]

Agreed!

[@eunicebediako4986]

Alot of Women ( including myself) have watched this show since season 1 romanticized Joe a little too much now that its gotten Overwhelming!!

[@LEFT4BASS]

That’s the scariest part of his character. He’s been complete evil since the first episode, but as a viewer, you find yourself sympathizing with him and his justifications. He was always evil though. The only change this season is that he finally stopped lying to himself that he was good.

[@smartwater598]

@@eunicebediako4986 it’s gotten better

[@BenjiPrice502]

I think this was very good and necessary. Joe has been romanticized for a long time, yet this right here is what real Psycho Serial killers do. They manipulate inoccent people and then kill or (very rarely if ever) frame them without remorse. Now we can start seeing Joe for what he really is.

[@demetriussmith9234]

Nadia wouldn’t stop at all and thought she was smarter. Even marienne didn’t want revenge, she was just happy to be alive( so far)

[@daniella7820]

Nadia honestly brought chaos upon herself. I knew it was over when she broke into his flat! She should've just let it go after rescuing Marianne and left her friend out of it.

[@demetriussmith9234]

@@daniella7820 I agree

[@rowenamckinley1079]

He's a serial killer that's extremely dangerous. She didn't bring chaos on herself, she was trying to stop him before he kept hurting people.

[@demetriussmith9234]

@@rowenamckinley1079 she did. She was trying to be a hero. Even Marianne just went away, she didn’t try to get revenge instantly. She was just happy to be alive

[@blakescott7566]

@@rowenamckinley1079 nah she should’ve minded her own business and when the girl told her to move on and she kept coming, she did that to herself

[@elyalvarz]

The problem is we now have an ‘overpowered’ evil character. With the assistance of Kate’s money and power, and the PR stuff going on, it’s going to be extremely hard to take him down. And I fear the writers won’t know how to make it work.

[@Elake_Simon]

Yeaah.....bad or disappointing tv show finales are sadly pretty common these days. I also fear that they won't know how to end the show from a good writing perspective.

[@justsomeguywithamustache2901]

​​@@Elake_Simonthe only perfect ending is that he gets away again, and YOU become the first tv show to embrace the idea that evil prevailed and won If Joe gets killed, it's generic and boring If Joe get arrested, it's still generic and boring The writers should know that most tv shows with villain protagonist always have bad endings, the only tv show that pulled it off, was breaking bad, although walt lost everything, he still died and got away 😂😂

[@Warthog.edu.]

Joe's overrated in terms of power and scaling.

[@lushluxesubs]

He became just like the people he hates 😅 I'm noticing that's a common theme with Joe.

[@nunyabizness3101]

Good video, however personally I haven't rooted for him for a while before this. The show may do a good job trying to frame his actions as "understandable" or him as "sympathetic" in HIS eyes, but it seems like it should be very clear to the audience that we aren't meant to root for him at all. These last few seasons for me have been less of "oh no Joe's bad side is taking over" and more of "oh god he's only getting worse somebody please kill him by the end of this".

[@c.k.mcknight8921]

Yeah. After part one of this season aired, I turned to my husband and said, "If they're going for a redemption arc for Joe, it needs to end with him turning himself in." This was, of course, before we knew the full extent of the crimes he committed as Rhys.

[@unfortunatelygen]

agreed.

[@finalfantasy111111]

True, but we root for him because we dont want the series to end😂

[@laneythelame]

A lot of people are missing this point tho. They accept his rationalizations that he has been positing since day 1 and are willing to by sympathetic for him simply because he is killing for one reason or the other. Now that in that final scene there is no rationalization or excuses and he fully embraces his nature people finally are understanding he was like this all along its just that he stopped making excuses for himself

[@no.6377]

I lost sympathy after the whole cheating on Love debacle. I was actually hoping Marianne 's shitty ex took him down but Joe's luck held up. Then from season 4 part 2 I was really hoping he offed himself to end the cycle. Now I'm hoping Kate will be his downfall. She's just as shitty as him if not moreso because she's given him access to all these resources, knowing full well of his actions all the while being ok with him framing one innocent and killing another. Hope she dies as pathetically as her father who must've saw himself in her.

[@nataliapola6988]

I hope Nadia gets her justice in season five. She didn’t deserve what happened to her.

[@BrainPilot]

Let’s hope so!

[@nataliapola6988]

It’s especially sad after she risked her life to save Marianne.

[@doudouella4683]

@@nataliapola6988 Marienne was the reason Nadia in prison and Edward is dead. She only cared about saving herself and her daughter not caring about people getting hurt in the process

[@nataliapola6988]

@@doudouella4683 I never thought about that. I saw Marianne as a victim who just wanted to to be with her daughter. Maybe Marianne will help Nadia get out of prison in season five. I wonder if in season six it would be Joe running from the law.

[@blakescott7566]

Nah she should’ve minded her own business

[@SYN022]

I laughed so hard at this scene, I was thinking the series gonna end with Joe redeeming himself after finally being done with his dark side, it got me good

[@inthemindofny1100]

What’s crazy and how well the writers did and had us really rooting for a serial killer that has never shown that he wouldn’t kill 😭 joe has always been too far gone

[@BrainPilot]

It’s so true!

[@ryanthereaper5032]

He let that one guy he stole his identity from go

[@dcfan7838]

Great video! Joe sentenced Nadia to a fate worse than death. She kind and trying to do the right thing, and then he made sure that not only was the evidence deleted, but that her credibility was reduced to less than nothing. She would have to spend the rest of her life rotting in prison for the murder of her friend/partner, knowing that no one would believe her about Joe, who is a serial murderer. That's enough to drive someone insane. I have a headcanon that she was so defeated by what he did to her and the position he put her in that she pleaded guilty and refused to offer defence in court. Like it's said in the video, Joe's previous murders are somewhat justified in his twisted thinking. As an audience we know what he's done is wrong, but we see why he did it, and understand that he as a rule doesn't kill indiscriminately. However, this is something we as an audience, can't justify him doing. There were so many ways he could've stopped Nadia if she ever became a threat that we wouldn't have approved of as an audience, but it wouldn't be as cruel and unnecessary, so we would perceive it as being okay-ish. But he didn't do that. He did the most challenging thing he could've done.

[@daralic2255]

Now the kid in Season 1 is most likely traumatized because he essentially let Joe Kill Beck by not opening the door. It’s public knowledge she was murdered but only he knows who really did it.

[@BrainPilot]

It's true - that's why it would be so interesting seeing him return!

[@dedeag9300]

I think him killing locking up beck and killing her was the most evil thing he did

[@danwarner7816]

Technically she fought bk and ended up dead

[@Katiewithdaffodils]

​​@@danwarner7816 Yeah but against the serial killer who stalked her and locked her in a cage.

[@alliandra5011]

What was worse was that Paco helped him by not opening the basement door to the bookshop. It gave Joe ample time to kill her.

[@danwarner7816]

@@Katiewithdaffodils it one of evil acts but not most evil. The most evil is luring his neighbour to take his own life and bring his body back his family and faked a note. S3 was very messed up in a sense By end of S3 he chopped off his toe and frame love for everything

[@practicalgamer4991]

this really wasn’t

[@Faaaaaabri]

Nadia is a great example of “the more you fuck around, the more you’re gonna find out” and she found out

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

And its AWESOME 😂❤🎉

[@shylapollard5165]

Once he kidnapped Marian and forgot about her. I realized he was a horrible person

[@BrainPilot]

Definitely!

[@hakunamatata7981]

Trying to frame her as a drug addict that OD was my final straw

[@Ashu-qp4up]

​@@hakunamatata7981I don't remember this part. Can you explain it further?

[@lordthicknipples-gt2oq]

Idk, I thought he was a terrible person from the very first episode of the show

[@ultimateblue2197]

He has always been evil

[@Lalaxbo]

The ending of You Season 4 was really eerie and horrifying . Joe embraced his dark side and got away with it again . Nadia didn’t deserve it and being framed . I hope that she will get justice and same with Marianne and Ellie . I can’t wait for Season 5.

[@BrainPilot]

Yeah I think season 5 is going to be interesting for sure!

[@user-kr2ty9vk5n]

Maybe they kept Nadia alive so she could come back in a future season and ruin him

[@danwarner7816]

She just stuck in same hole as Dr Nicky now. It won't be awhile now

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

@@danwarner7816facts 😂

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

Keep dreaming clown 🤡 her arc is over

[@justsomeguywithamustache2901]

Unpopular opinion : Joe never would have hurt nadia or Eddie, if they didn't want to take him down, notice Karen in s1 didn't die by Joe's hand because she listened to him, joe didn't even kill Ellie, if they didn't pry into his past, I believe Joe would have let nadia and Eddie go if they just minded their own business

[@hzznsjd2392]

That's what I'm saying, like I now Joe is overall a serial killer, but he only kills people when they find out he's a serial killer, nadia and eddie should have moved on with their lives

[@partapbejai548]

Joe has done some terrible things, but your right he only kills people if they snitch on him lol

[@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334]

He didn’t kill Ellie tho

[@paperclip8126]

Sometimes it’s best to leave will enough alone even after being warned by Marianne.

[@taifahmed1151]

Joe would have killed Ellie if she wouldn't leave. He has always resorted to murder when it came to people he can't control but he is aware of it now.

[@michaeldoesanything]

It makes a lot of sense when you think about it. he jumped off the bridge and even before so pushed Rys off. He’s been trying to find love and escape himself from his alter-eco/dark side. Him waking up to a failed attempt to get rid of hit dark side to an an immediate awakenin. On top of that. He immediacy was reborn to Kate embracing and moving past his actions is what led to him understanding that this his something he’ll never be able to let go. That why he was so moved when Kate said that will keep each other good. He said he’s been eating to hear that all his life. Now he will do whatever it takes to stay “good” to Kate and keep Kate “good”. The doctor even said”happy birthday”. This is a new Joe. Scary to think he has that psyche now on top of all the money he has access to through Kate’s inheritance.

[@jonw3462]

Only just seen the thumbnail and I harshly agree. Wasn't the biggest fan of Nadia but to kill her boyfriend, throw her next to him and then frame her for the murders was pretty harsh and makes it very difficult to slightly root for the dude.

[@Lilac_n_Cherry]

I think this version of Joe without any remorse or guilt whatsoever is the result of him getting rescued from a near death situation. He thinks of it as a "second chance". He tried to commit suicide because he thought (or atleast his humane side did) he was beyond saving. But now that he got saved, he believes he can do anything he wants, thus embracing his darker side completely.

[@ReaseRice]

I think this is probably the best explanation that I’ve seen out of all these comments. I completely agree. He took advantage of how he believes he is “unstoppable” so to speak.

[@jeagerkitty8817]

Nadia could have just recovered the photos from the deleted photos file tho 💀

[@bryanalstoncoxing]

He would’ve found a way to come after her tho, he has all of Kates resources at his disposal now

[@ericmcdonough6771]

these kids photos go straight to cloud. was a minor trivial movie mistake

[@SRM13]

@@ericmcdonough6771 not everyone’s photos go straight to the cloud

[@danwarner7816]

Mistake was going bk to find proof while he didn't know. It was best take photos before and send it to police

[@silentpeep9033]

@@ericmcdonough6771 as a 17 yo i dont think i know a single person my age who uses cloud tbh 😭

[@stephyworld8713]

The "paco" archetypes have always been off limit to Joe and to the audience. So that makes it very shocking how he dealt with Nadia.

[@HinataUchiha_22]

Yea but we have to take into consideration that she did the exact opposite of Paco in the cage situation Paco showed he was loyal to joe with the beck situation and Nadia let his kidnappee go after that I don’t think joe saw her as a kid fully anymore which is why he framed her but didn’t kill her

[@naturalbby1722]

I believe that when Joe jumped into the water after he pushed “Rhys” in; his darker side took over and they became one! At the end, when he looked in the mirror the reflection was “Rhys” because the darker side is not hidden anymore!

[@katiehobbs96]

I hated what he did to Nadia. It definitely made me feel the most uncofrtable and sad. I would rather they kill her off then have her stay silent in prison bc she didn't want to frame Ed for the killings

[@JoseFlores-mj4le]

She was annoying as fuck.

[@onuhrita5009]

A death that really hurt me was forty death, he just wanted to protect his sister and had some character growth and I expected Nadia's death because she was way too annoying but framing her was just so cold. More upset about the boyfriend's death because I feel she caused it.

[@KentPetersonmoney]

I found Forty annoying. He made himself look like the bad guy.

[@sugarpansies]

You guys will call any female character in this show that acts morally and reacts in a normal way "annoying"

[@duckmansam5046]

@@sugarpansies forty is a dude and definitely was not acting normal lmao

[@duckmansam5046]

@Babygirl💓 I’m not replying to OP

[@tonyc7301]

I remember thinking "Why are two 19 year-old kids going after Joe without the help of law enforcement?". This is what would happen to the Scooby-Doo gang in real life.

[@seannanana84]

I agree Nadia and Edward were the worst thing he's done. It actually made me really upset. The only other death in the series for me that was even close to being that upsetting was when Love killed Delilah but all the murders Joe committed were either obvious the people would be killed or manipulated but I was rooting so hard for Nadia to survive. I'm really really hoping Season 5 is Joe being taken out. Edit: also framing Dr Nicky while messed up could be justified. He was having an affair with his patient so it was convenient and believable and arguably a sort of extreme justice.

[@onuhrita5009]

I felt very bad about forty death. He just wanted to protect his sister.

[@seannanana84]

@@onuhrita5009 I was conflicted over Forty. I kind of think his death was inevitable, even if he didn't figure out Joe his life was so messy and he made so many bad choices. It was really sad though. Honestly I'm curious now if Season 5 happens because the Quinn Patriarch is still around and of sound mind and influence as well as Peach's family.

[@smartwater598]

Nah nadia and edward were most satisfying lol two cocky idiots trying to take down Joe goldberg?? Haha nah also this show is absolutely making fun of you hypocrites for just now being mad at joe after all those kills haha hope joe never loses so you guys get mad

[@ahmedomar4173]

Thank you, I was hoping someone would talk about it!

[@BrainPilot]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@L.A.L.S.]

100% agree, my girl Nadia was MOTHER and she didn't deserved that. She definitely could outsmart Joe again but it's not her show, I hope she enters in her revenge era on season 5.

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

Her arc is over clown 🤡 😊

[@pistolcrystal2]

I mentally prepared myself for something bad to happen to nadia because of the library scene with her and eddie. They both unfortunately made critical errors (not calling for emergency services, investigating someone they knew had bad history). They didn't deserve what came to them. But I took it more as a lesson. People don't realize just how dangerous it is to go after powerful people. You're putting your own life at risk. And Nadia put Eddie in dangers way unintentionally. It's hard to leave it to police/detectives to investigate but it's better to have people with experience. Nadia was definitely out of her depth. But she was one of my favorite characters in this season.

[@Oh_100]

He killed Beck and framed the therapist in the first season but now you see him as a killer…………………

[@thatoneguy9816]

Sounds like you didn’t watch the show

[@Dante87_]

Nadia did it for good but the therapist did it for s3x

[@UnitardZZack]

I saw a great article that argued You outgrew its original premise- like an evolution- and has essentially become the story of American Psycho, only if the movie had a four season-long prelude.

[@mrjudgypants]

It developed into american psycho right after season 4 where he's gone fully crazy, incapable of feeling remorse or accountability because he's crazy rich and powerful now.

[@jlecampana]

I agree, poor Nadia. She’s sooo likable and pretty much Joe makes her pay for out-smarting him.

[@st3rrell]

She got used Edward at every turn. Had him hit get her drugs that she almost got caught with. If she had outsmarted him she would’ve called the police when she found the cage instead of putting more people in danger. She’s just Icarus.

[@jlecampana]

@@st3rrell I feel it's clear the writers wanted to establish her (from the beginning) as being smarter than Joe, as being able to see what he's up to. But you're right, she executed her plan poorly and recklessly and she paid for it.

[@st3rrell]

@@jlecampana Her tragedy, to me, represents a combination of the story of Icarus and Sun Tzu’s never back your enemy into a corner and know when they are beaten. She failed to take the win when it was given to her and pushed farther. But when Joe was given the same opportunity he didn’t try to take his victory and turn it into a super victory. He realized she lost, handed her the knife and rolled out. I really believe that’s why he’s smarter.

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

Likeable? Speak for yourself? How did she outsmart him? Eddies dead? She’s in jail? LOSER 🤡

[@JimmiPynk]

I think he was in his Rhys mode.. there may no be any Joe left. that's why the reflection at the end was Rhys. He is fully his monster self

[@BrainPilot]

A real dark ending!

[@NileSWPhotography]

Do you guys lowkey think Joe knew someone was there when Nadia was hiding in his dungeon? The way he kind of hesitated and thought "hmm, ok." there made me think he knew.

[@BrainPilot]

Yeah that’s true actually! I never thought about it like that, but it could have been the case!

[@NileSWPhotography]

@@BrainPilot it’s a little bit of a reach but 😭 I can’t help but think he didn’t even want to face it in front of Marienne. Maybe a video for you to talk about! Would definitely love to hear your thoughts?

[@nicholasm4013]

Joe did the same thing to dr Nicky in season one, but no one talked about that for some reason

[@israelruiz8706]

Exactly. Even dr Nicky came back at the end of season 2 and said he was better off in jail

[@rachelr4126]

Well Dr Nicky wasn't a great person and was taking advantage of his client if I remember correctly. He wasn't innocent, noble, and being framed for the murder of his equally young, innocent, noble love. This felt a lot more brutal.

[@Taylormademan900]

Nadia saved Marianne and should have left it alone. Even Marianne knew to just let it go after she escaped and was safe with her daughter. I would have saved Marianne and left town..

[@danwarner7816]

Fact that Joe predicted this beforehand made it more terrifying. It's not new as same happened with Delilah in S2 he would have nannycam in apartment

[@Taylormademan900]

@@danwarner7816 Delilah was fine as hell. I was upset when Love murdered her. Especially since she was all her younger sister had.

[@DaintyAbby]

Lmao. If i see a random person stuck in a dungeon like that? Biii, im running 😂😂😂

[@Taylormademan900]

@@DaintyAbbyDamn right plus Marianne warned her not to go to the police because Joe always finds a way. If I was Nadia Episode 10 would have been 42 minutes long instead of 52 minutes. No one in their right frame of mind would walk into Joe's apartment and start playing detective. If I was her boyfriend I would have told Nadia the professor is crazy 🤣, you saved the black lady with the blond mop on her head already, so let it go, and now you need to mind your f'n business.

[@DaintyAbby]

@@Taylormademan900 ur wrong for the “blonde mop” ROFLMAOOOOOOOO. Yeah, Nadia is definitely not black.

[@kiiiirbzzz]

This definitely feels like a character 180. It really doesnt feel like joe anymore and it honestly feels like a different series imo

[@alatielinara]

Because Joe is an unreliable narrator. Most of what we saw in the show was Joe's story he told to himself. Moment with Nadya is raw and there's no internal monologue. We see Joe not from his point and that is what makes a shift. Joe in his head and real Joe is different people.

[@VinnyGuardino]

Lol what story are u following then,He’s always been like this I mean he’s killed about 18 people.Yes he’s charming and that can fool you but I like this for his character it makes him even darker.But he’s always had this side he kills bascially with ease when he needs too.

[@krk.1999]

​@@alatielinara THIS

[@xikaryo6735]

Good thing next season will be the last. They’ve stretched this for too long and it needs find closure before they ruin the series any further.

[@linustrate]

Exactly. Personally preferred the curated moral ambiguity of previous seasons, especially 1 and 2, to this season's in-your-face shock value. Problem with the 180 flip is that Joe has often had some restraint or reservations so the final bit with Nadia and would-be boyfriend felt way out-of-character in light of his relationship with Paco and Ellie for example. Joe often felt like the character that wanted the simple things in life, to love and be loved yet seemed to get otherwise. Well, let's see what season 5 has to throw at us.

[@DesiSJ]

Joe was someone who, even though he did bad things, in his mind the bad things were done for the better reasons. While he was always the bad guy in the room, he never the worst. This felt colder. Calculated. While he did kill Bec and Love, both were under extreme circumstances. This had a meaner spirit and suddenly by the end of this season, Joe has turned into exactly what he always wanted to avoid. I don't know how I feel about that. I never wanted him to win completely, but I feel like I never wanted to see him THIS dark either.

[@sunshinedrop158]

If there is a season 5… there are soooo many people left alive out there that could come back to bring him down.. I’m thinking Nadia and Marianne will bring him down together since Joe doesn’t know Marianne is still alive.

[@BrainPilot]

That would be a good twist!

[@aneatrice28]

I doubt Marianne will try to bring him down. The only thing she’s ever wanted is peace with her daughter. She won’t do anything to jeopardize that

[@julciak4656]

@@aneatrice28 but they took her daughter, aka everything she lived and cared for, it was second time so they won't give her back. She will probably want revange

[@aneatrice28]

@@julciak4656 they didn’t take her daughter. That was a fake message sent by Nadia as part of the plan. The ending scenes show Marianne with her daughter

[@thatoneguy9816]

Do you think they learned nothing?

[@nomsora]

I was really shocked to see that from him, I know he has murdered before but it was- a different mindset from Joe, I felt really disgusted and angry for the first time with this, I felt immensely for Nadia and her bf

[@beautybehindthemadness7735]

Yeah, in the past Joe was able to realize his actions were bad. He would always say “I don’t want to be like this, I want to be better” But in this scene he seemed so smug about it.

[@smartwater598]

Show is making fun of people like you lol 😂

[@ashbalakhan9987]

@@smartwater598 it truly is. manipulation is a b*****

[@tokyo204]

Thank you for stating it in the video because people like to defend is actions by saying that she was to nosy, so? It wasn’t a reason to kill him, he was the same age as Theo yet he didn’t kill him after sleeping with love but killed Edward just to frame Nadia and to get rid of him? Ridiculous, I hope in the next season he will finally be his downfall because he’s been getting away with his crimes for way to long.

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

Shush clown 🤡

[@sophiaisabelle0227]

We appreciate your analysis on this episode. Keep up the good work.

[@markjohnson-zr1bg]

Thanks...you do seem nice,how are you?

[@forcecalibration924]

Those last kills definitely was different, you can feel the swift in the character, I wasn’t really scared of the character Joe, thought he still had some type of redemption qualities but now he’s straight terrifying.

[@BrainPilot]

He definitely is! He just does it for the sake of doing it now!

[@forcecalibration924]

@@BrainPilot 💯🫣

[@mckaylamurphy5336]

I just finished watching this season with my sister and this is exactly what I thought when watching it. I was shocked that even Joe could do something so insanely evil with zero remorse and this might really be the most evil thing he’s done yet.

[@sae3868]

Edward and Nadia didn't deserve it at all, I wonder how Joe rationalizes it in his mind.

[@gewurztramina]

Killing both of them was the only way to make sure Joe doesn't get caught, and we get to have a new "You" season. It's a self-preservation move

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

Fuck around and find out 😂

[@veronikatube]

What do you mean a side of Joe we've never seen before? He was a monster since day one. The only justifiable kill he has done is his stepfather. That one he did to protect his mother. Other than that a monster...

[@spiritualelement757]

What about Ron? Besides that I agree with you wholeheartedly

[@LiterallyPaulGeorge]

I mean he explains it about 3:05. He always had his reasons even if they obviously weren’t the right thing to do . Killing Eddie and framing Nadia was simply cuz he could. I mean those were his students and have never done anything wrong besides trying to do the right thing

[@alatielinara]

I think it is remarkable moment cause Joe doesn't need a story of how he had to do it or how it was self-defence. He had no straight reason for this kill, he could let them be, but he chose to kill. So yeah it is the Joe we haven't seen because this Joe isn't hiding behind some crazy reasoning to kill, he no longer needs a reason. He kinda like Raskolnikov in Crime and Punishment - just decided that he has a right to do it.

[@veronikatube]

@@spiritualelement757 remind me who Ron is please

[@veronikatube]

@@LiterallyPaulGeorge you're right he went on explaining later on in the video, i commented mid video, my bad. Still, i always found Joe a monster with no understandable reason for what he has done.

[@lcseixas97]

I felt the whole season was good, not amazing like S2 or pretty good like S3. But the ending was definitely the best yet. Joe became an absolute monster and destroyed an innocent girl's life for no reason other than that now he CAN. He could have bought her silence or something like that but CHOSE to murder her lover in front of her and then frame her for a bunch of different crimes. I can't help but think S5 will be incredible.

[@brentpeddy4223]

On the other hand, I'm glad Nadia is still alive. With her abilities and the fact that Marriene is thought to be dead. Those two could team up to bring Joe's demise. That's what I'm hoping for. Like a full on undercover rogue operation. I'm excited to see that happen!

[@daniella7820]

That might not be possible considering Kate's money and influence, it'll be difficult to bring him to justice. There's just something different about Kate's family wealth in comparison to Love's family. From Joe's POV/monologue in the last scene, emphasis were made about him having access to such money and power. I think that partly gave him some sense of security making it even easier to completely accept his demons.

[@brentpeddy4223]

@@daniella7820 Agreed on all points however, my thought process is not bringing legal justice to Joe but rather them taking Joe out. Meaning he gets killed.

[@Anc1ntkn1ght]

Lol clown 🤡

[@Anthonycheesman33]

Joe went full Heisenberg

[@joelambert7277]

He is the one who knocks

[@joshfactor1]

i still say trying to take down a mayoral candidate who was secretly a serial killer would've been a more intriguing narrative but this was a good plot too

[@zolaeight7574]

Not really

[@yeatdagoat173]

Disagree. When I realized Rhys was Joe all along, I immediately knew this show was 10/10. I did not see that plot twist coming at all especially after when he nearly got burned in the mansion

[@dinchensophal5082]

This scene was gruesome. You could see that his dark side has taken over. Truly amazing character development. As season 5 being the last season, I hope he‘ll finally be caught in his evil acts, but I also hope he‘ll do a lot of bad things first. 😂 And I hope Nadia will get the justice she deserves.

[@mahimaxalxo5135]

I really don’t understand why people can’t just take out their phone nd take photos.Turn on live location have somebody in their emergency contact and mostly importantly can post that picture or go to police.And what Nadia did for Marianne was just absurd for me because she was a smart kid instead of playing with Joe she should have atleast involved police and take out Marianne she didn’t neec to be saviour

[@rayray117]

That scene really shocked me. It did kind of feel out of character.

[@BrainPilot]

It definitely did didn't it!

[@macb9009]

It’s showing that the darkest side of him that he’s been repressing in his mind is now fully combined and as he says he’s utilizing all of him now, no longer hiding behind doing terrible things for good reasons. Now he can just use that part of him and not have the empathy he was showing before.

[@lorenzoserna3961]

This was the BEST part of the series. It broke the cliche

[@lorenzoserna3961]

It gave me Dexter vibes 🥰

[@sunshinedrop158]

Does anyone remember in part 1 seeing a brief scene of Joe with the annotated book ?? I can’t seem to find that scene, but i remember thinking “that’s wierd, why is he doing that to that book” and then part 2 we learn why… but now I can’t find that scene where we first see the book- anyone know what episode that was??

[@murrrrr12]

I didn’t understand his framing Nadia. Like the whole scene seemed weird to me..? He killed somebody in broad daylight on a busy street (lots of cars parked so somebody could easily come back to their car) and Nadia just accepted the knife from his hand like that…? And I know everyone reacts to scary situations differently but she didn’t even attempt to run or scream. Also the police was already on its way (the sirens could be heard) if she didn’t accept the knife they would literally catch Joe so??? Am I missing something? I’m sorry if I missed something and this sounds super dumb

[@yourwrongimright101_69]

Thing is it wouldn't matter if it didn't go his way cuz he already has every recourses that Kate owns, so, he can just do anything and get away with it.

[@akapeegly6463]

Yes, u missed the point of the whole scene lol. The police was on their way because joe called them and told them what "she" did. She didnt run because she is literally in shock as to how he found out everything and was always one step ahead of her even tho she thought she outsmarted him. Imagine how she mustve felt knowing she was never gonna beat him even if she tried as she had during the season. I think the scene perfectly resembles what would happen in a situation of someone getting framed because you truly wouldnt even have an alibi since she was breaking into ppl's places as well which is illegal. Just comes to show how much power joe had at the end

[@Majkl_D]

It makes no sense to me neither.... It seems like the most stupid framing for murder. Does he not expect to police make no investigstion? Idk. I just wich this show ended with Joe behind the bars, it's getting ridiculous what he gets away with.

[@akapeegly6463]

@@Majkl_D bro... how do yall miss the point of the ending this bad😭. The framing worked because she literally just left the station a few days prior due to her having a weapon🥴 add that to the bf being a drug dealer and stealing info from his parent's job, on top of her breaking in and out of places. Lets also not forget she had the whole fling with malcom which makes sense why her "bf" would kill him as the eat the rich killer. The most important part of the ending is how they imply that joe and kate have the cops on their side, remember she made his record clean and dissapear lol, imagine how much influence those two have on the feds now? Its not out of pocket nor unrealistic, yall just didnt watch the show correctly lol

[@yourwrongimright101_69]

@@Majkl_D He's the one that called the police, plus she doesn't have any alibi or evidence against him.

[@asherquinn_]

Ik in this season they made Joe a monster but am I the only one who actually likes that he's a monster in this season??☠️

[@simbarashetarwireyi5041]

You can't really compare Nadia with the other younger characters that we solved because them we actually knew that they were dealing with family issues that were kind of the same as Joe I feel like that part of Joe only resurfaces only if he feels bad for the people that he hurting but when it comes to her we don't know anything about her honestly I kind of didn't feel bad about her because she was kind of there she wasn't used well maybe that was her purpose to just show that Joe has gone darker now but she probably is definitely going to have an arc next season or some other season

[@teawithtanaka8403]

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[@VinceMusic03]

The writing is so perfect in this show profiling serial killers. Joe follows a classic serial killer profile. He’s now not in control of his killing instinct and enjoying it by the end of the show.

[@chidubemnwaohiri113]

This is a case of watch what you obsess about. Joe is evil but Nadia's obsession ultimately destroyed her.

[@BrainPilot]

So true!

[@TheNerdAsociation]

This was the first time I couldn't see him any other way than the villain. He couldn't charm his way out of this. Really hit me.

[@nouserbri]

He killed her bf for no reason

[@Bhabna10]

I think it was really foolish of Nadia not to have taken pictures of Marienne in the cage or keeping any tangible record of anything anywhere except at the end while being intercepted by Joe. Too convenient for plot development i think. Plus she knew what he was capable of and STILL decided to investigate without any backup plans? For someone so invested in murder mysteries she wasn't very bright.

[@wanyagabrian5829]

I have literally been waiting for this the entire time I've been watching this show