Why This Lawsuit Could Devastate the UFC

[@tjlovesfights]

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[@turaabi]

Yo TJ! Which songs from scarim do you use for bgm?

[@buddylee5712]

UFC fighters are independent contractors treated as employees, that get all the cons of being both a contractor and an employee, but with none of the benefits of either.

[@Tokey_The_Bear]

THIS!!

[@good8619]

Yeah, hope the fighters sue successfully.

[@kkjwdfjopwekfjopcdsxzdfsdf3967]

Unfortunately this is as accurate as it can get

[@Ben-xf7uy]

Wrong. They get medical and dental. They Have access to the Performance Institute which gives its fighters access to the best equipment, the best nutritionists, chefs and food, physical therapist and even doctors.The fighters are taken care of better in the UFC than in any other organization on the planet. Thats why its the premier league and thats why all the fighters want to be in the UFC....

[@Ben-xf7uy]

@umarb7325 you just going to ignore the rest of what i said? Haha typical. Cherry picking your argument because reality proves you wrong. Do some actual research. Why do you think the UFC is the premier league then?? Why do 99% of fighters sign or resign UFC contracts over ONE and Bellator or PFL??? Do some critical thinking and stop acting like a child

[@barrybj]

Being a UFC fighter is basically like being in a 360 record deal

[@buddylee5712]

In many ways its actually worse cause at least music artists aren't putting their lives on the line to make a living every few months

[@Radjhitoocool]

Nah they’re Instagram models

[@danieljames4050]

Except the old way of selling records/CDs was worse. The record label would essentially loan artists the money to make the music, create the artwork, marketing etc, and the artist would need to sell thousands upon thousands of records to break even. It’d be the equivalent of the UFC agreeing to loan the fighters $500,000 to fight for them, and then promising to use that money to market, advertise, and build them a career. Then if the fighter sold enough pay per views then and only then would they start getting paid…

[@bigschlongdave3771]

Nah they’re like Andrew Tates Cam girls

[@mopar_keys]

@@buddylee5712… rappers have the most dangerous job in the world

[@WalkBesideMe]

I hope this case goes all the way, this has been a shakeup LONG overdue

[@CarlosGarcia-nt4wf]

Yes and no. Now we will become boxing great

[@WalkBesideMe]

@@CarlosGarcia-nt4wf even mid level boxers would scoff at some of those UFC contracts

[@doug46745]

a shakeup kills the sport lmfao, nba is a monopoly, nfl is a monopoly, nhl is a monopoly. Sports thrive under a single promotion. One thing to demands better care, a completely different thing to call the ufc monoploy and contracts "unfair". Not being able to lock up fighters turns ufc into boxing. Yall will glady call for the death of the sport then complain when it dies

[@WalkBesideMe]

@@doug46745 I'm totally fine with the death of the UFC tbh

[@666SAVAGES]

@@WalkBesideMeyour sister

[@Ar1AnX1x]

Dana has always been power hungry and oppressive to his fighters, now imagine what his actual bosses are like

[@logosfocus]

vince the prince mcmahon

[@madgavin7568]

Ari Emanuel for Endeavor (who owns the UFC) is just as bad if not worse. He's just as out of touch with reality as Dana is, and while he's not a media whore or generally abusive in public like Dana is, he's just as cutthroat and ruthless behind the scenes and the fact he's a slimy Corporate suit who keeps a low-profile makes him a different kind of evil.

[@oddalfhutlur6760]

Its the fertitta brothers. They are entangled with the Mob..

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@madgavin7568 I heard that dude's name before, sounds like one of those creepy ultra rich nepo kids, the only thing that makes skeptic is how Kanye also didn't like the dude and Kanye is a psycho himself, your comment is hidden for some reason

[@haiynuts]

⁠@@Ar1AnX1xIt’s also Ari Emmanuel , kanye literallly called him the biggest snake jew

[@Machothree]

Dana got the independent contractor blueprint from Vince and the WWE

[@logosfocus]

and now hes got their lawyers to enforce it too

[@buddylee5712]

I hope the fighters win. They been getting robbed for 30 years

[@Reypstraptor4269]

Nobody forced them to sign any contract or to fight in MMA for a living. They all did so on their own free will. And no they wont win against UFCs lawyers , you think they did not think it was possible for them to be sued for something like this, no ofcource they knew it was a possibility and are prepared for court , so i dont see the UFC losing this case at all.

[@buddylee5712]

@Theextreme2233 You're meat riding the UFC if you think their business practices are ok. They basically have a monopoly in North America and stepped in, and by going exclusive with Reebok, they undercut their own fighters of their individual sponsorship deals with other companies, many of which paid them more than the UFC does to have them fight.

[@Reypstraptor4269]

@@buddylee5712 Dont give a fuck. They entertain me. I pay to be entertained and i love MMA. I cant feel sorry for these fighter as i meantioned the reason and its the fact that nobody forced them to sign the contract, if they dont like the wy things are structured in the UFC then dont sign the contract simple as that.

[@conquerorDProgrammer]

please God let this happen

[@mopar_keys]

Why ?? Why you want them to go under ??

[@conquerorDProgrammer]

@@mopar_keys no i want their fighters to be paid well

[@mopar_keys]

@@conquerorDProgrammer Frances was able turn down 8 million … you want everyone to be paid like a world champ ?

[@mopar_keys]

@@conquerorDProgrammer what’s fair to you ?

[@seepons]

​@@mopar_keyswell those 3 clauses that the video mentioned is really unfair and limiting the earning potential of the fighters, so without those clauses, I guess MMA might be better.

[@pan1ni82]

I want to keep a central MMA power because of the records and history in the UFC but the constant screwing over of fighters ruins the sport anyways so good for the fighters tryna get paid

[@DADRB0B55]

It’s basically WWE half the time anyways, look at the Bisping era of MW. UFC is a dogshit company that only works because of its fighters, the fighters are the only reason you give af about the UFC. If Mcgregor, Jones etc left for ONE you would never buy a PPV ever again

[@ImTitan16]

I do like there being a central mma company cause big fights happen alot eaiser but the downside of that is that its eaiser to treat there fighters bad

[@madgavin7568]

There does need to be an MMA Hall of Fame that's for sure, to celebrate the accomplishments of MMA fighters who competed not just in the UFC, but in all major promotions. Fedor, Cro Cop, Wandy, Mousasi to name but a few, and especially fighters whom the UFC refuses to honor like Frank Shamrock and now Francis Ngannou due to petty personal vendettas from the likes of Dana.

[@pan1ni82]

@@ImTitan16 unless the fighter start a union its hard now but if it gets done it could fix the UFC and the sport. If everyone just says we not gonna fight unless the scalling gets fixed. But most people all selfish / crazy in mma so the chance of it happening is small. And a lot of them just dont have enough money to risk it. But if big guys like Jon Jones, Connor, Israel and other top PPV stars would band together it would work but just a endless army of unknowns cant do shit

[@brandons5952]

Man Dana is such a greedy scumbag... It's so messed up that he says to the media that "the fighters are independent contractors" and "you don't have to be here if you don't want to be here" when in reality the contract ties you down to the UFC forgoing any opportunity to take the best offer out there from another promoter. Nate Diaz wouldn't have taken a literal piss on the UFC PI if he was truly an independent contractor who was open to other options. I love this sport, and the UFC is by far the best product for it, but I feel almost guilty for consuming the content because of how wrong Dana's business practices are. Hoping this lawsuit goes through and the fighters get ~50% of the revenue that Dana LOVES to brag about after every PPV like the rest of the sports universe does

[@nicklubrino2606]

To think the UFC was on the verge of bankruptcy, then the “The Ultimate Fighter” made the UFC popular.

[@jooyichen]

It's a long game and should be treated as such. I applaud Nganou for taking a big risk and looking after his own interest. I appreciate Conor for trying to monetize this second biggest asset ( personality ) and managed to put whiskey branding in the center of Fury vs Wilder fights. He ultimately more than doubled his earnings from the UFC doing so. So focus on yourself first.

[@wasteurtime5677]

It is a long game because fighters tend to look out for themselves first. Previous attempts to unionize did not materialize.

[@grMuller26]

Grats on the sponsor dude, you deserve it! love the channel. Cheers from Brazil

[@justaname935]

just discovered your channel- you are such a gem- on the level of bjj scout or jack slack- you are smart as hell

[@cheeks7050]

I'm all for the UFC getting sued, they have become evil ever since the Reebok deal.

[@Thor-Orion]

To me it’s not at all about the UFC falling from it’s perch as the top promotion in the sport, it’s about the athletes who compete in the sport receiving fair compensation for not only what they do to entertain us in the octagon and the ridiculous amount of effort and insane hard work both physically and mentally while preparing for a match, but also the emotional toll of being away from their loved ones for often half the year or more depending on the number of fights they compete in within any given year. Dana doesn’t have to endure ANY of that, yet he makes more from the UFC than the top five earners on the fighter roster combined. I’m not trying to say he hasn’t contributed considerable quantities of cash, cunning and conviction in combination with courage compelling enough to build back from bankruptcy what he has since developed into the premier mixed martial arts organization on the planet. But he no longer owns the company so I don’t understand why he won’t try to secure more fair compensation for the fighters now!

[@Thor-Orion]

@@hobogardenerben i actually know what his “reason” is an it IS gross. He claims that when fighters make good money they get complacent and avoid competition that could potentially beat them. He says that’s why boxing has become the way it is. But he’s an idiot, the reason boxing is the way it is is because of (surprise surprise) promoter and sanctioning body greed. The multiple champions in the same weight class, the protecting of cash cows so they don’t fight real competition, etc.

[@nicklubrino2606]

Why do boxers make more money than UFC fighters? It’s because boxing has fight promoters that try to outbid each other for the boxer’s services. The UFC is a monopoly that has no competition. The UFC spent $75 million to buy Pride FC.

[@J4sse]

My man's making more money than UFC fighters with that sponsorship

[@josemarialaguinge]

Hope things get better for fighters.

[@andrewortiz6430]

This is a good and bad situation forsure, other promotions could get top stars and fighters could get paid much better which is good but now we won't have all the top talent in 1 promotion which is better for fans to see whose actually the best in there weight class, and it'll takeaway the best fighting the best. But this is 100% the ufc's fault from taking sponsorships away and fighter's getting super underpaid to be scummy in general

[@wasteurtime5677]

I don't believe that all the top talent in the world is in the UFC. A lot of them yeah but not all. UFC fighters have gone over to other promotions in their prime and some crush it but others don't find undisputed success. Even a great like DJ got KO'd in OneFC which had never happened in the UFC.

[@andrewortiz6430]

@wasteurtime5677 most not all obviously other promotions have top guys, but the point is the ufc has most of the top tier talent, the best fighters are in that promotion it's much deeper than any promotion. And most of the guys who were from the ufc have become Champs in other promotions aswell or are amongst the best fighters in there promotions, some of them tho are washed , but yea other promotions like bellator have some top guys who definitely could compete in the ufc. As for DJ getting ko'd he fought a bantamweight realistically as weight cutting rules for one fc are present that and he's much older now Moraes is definitely a good fighter aswell.

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

UFC fighter level has massively declined due to quantity over quality recently

[@andrewortiz6430]

@woahblackbetty7691 that is just a ridiculous statement

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

@@andrewortiz6430 No it isnt. More cards means dilution of talent. Use your brain lol

[@pz619]

This lawsuit will either allow other promotions to grow, or force the UFC to pay their fighters better to keep other promotions from taking them. It’s a win no matter what

[@25taylorkw]

I would definitely prefer the lateral option considering that both the fighters overall would receive much better pay with also the best still fighting the best.

[@scarlet__eye9489]

​@@25taylorkwyou mean latter* option. Lateral is a different word my guy 🙏

[@bljet4388]

Rooting for one fc to take over

[@logosfocus]

they do seem to do it right and keep their talent happy too..

[@bljet4388]

@@logosfocus they are doing a good job, 1 or 2 flops from ufc like this and its gonna be interesting

[@nicklubrino2606]

I’m rooting for the Saudis to buy the UFC and fire Dana White.

[@achavez78]

D'you get a new place, brother? Great video, keep up the great work. Supporting from Yuma, AZ. Imma check Factor 75!

[@andrewortiz6430]

I feel a fighters union is possible but the thing is these fighters don't have the funds to stop fighting for a extended period of time to make the sacrifice that is needed, it's definitely different than when the NBA did it cause all those guys are millionaires. We had 3 African Champs at the same time in the ufc Francis, Izzy, Usman at one point who are all friends you're telling me we couldn't have had the 3 Champs come together and get guys all to join them, all the top guys complain about pay but never do they join up the ufc fears a union they've blacklisted every fighter who's attempted it for a reason. Fighters union is needed just most guys can't make the sacrifice which is definitely understandable in there position.

[@DADRB0B55]

It makes sense for some that are poor a lot MMA fighters have college degrees & could easily get a job that pays close to six figures especially American mma fighters

[@madgavin7568]

A fighters union is almost impossible because fighters only care about themselves and the UFC will do everything in their power to stop it from forming. If the fighters form a union are stars, like it happened once back in the day with Anderson, GSP, TJ, Cowboy and others, the UFC will bribe them with higher pay to shut them up and stop them from forming it. If its non-stars? Forget it, the UFC will threaten them to shut it down or they'll cut them from the roster. And then you have selfish fighters like Kelvin Gastelum, Kevin Holland and Derrick Lewis (no disrespect to them) who don't care about this sort of thing and will take any fight irrespective of pay because they're company men. Sadly a fighters union just won't happen. The best possible outcome is to either get the courts involved, or have the law changed/amended. Neither are guaranteed outcomes though.

[@majortom331]

Unions would not work for MMA, since you can just hire hundreds of scrubs from different countries who dont know any better. An association would be ideal. And thats what the plantiffs are also forming.

[@luisviibuot9721]

Glad for the fighters this is happening but I hope this doesn't make the MMA scene like the boxing scene

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

the MMA community needs to tag in Al Haymon & the PBC to come save the sport like they saved boxing💯

[@mrvignette]

LOLLLLLLL

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

@jibby7206 laugh at them facts all you want unless you want to keep watching part time athletes/part time club bouncers/part time Uber drivers getting paid 18% by a monopoly I'm sure that's sustainable for Mixed Martial Arts as a sport

[@duckyh9712]

The pbc has one good year and guys this act like we forgot the last couple years of their entire roster cherry picking besides Errol Spence jr.

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

clearly @@duckyh9712 is a boxing casual PBC has been killing it the last few years... and you can say that with damn near every martial art promotion about cherry picking go ask Sean O'Malley

[@Idris-ku9xm]

Al Haymon ruined boxing. He's exactly the guy you want to avoid

[@goodbboyjonny9079]

If that lawsuit goes through just watch and see the WWE would be next in line

[@calamorta]

This will kill MMA as we know it. It will become just like boxing if fighters can start bouncing between promotions and we might get multiple fighters with inflated records who never really fight top talent. Not trying to defend Dana, but it only works because scenarios like 8:15 can't happen easily.

[@ranc1d_mustard437]

If Dana wasn’t giving literal stacks of cash to the Nelk Boys while former UFC stars are fighting BKFC for money or fighting Jake Paul for a retirement maybe this wouldn’t happen. Anything that happens to the UFC is entirely Danas fault. I hope this does kill the sport. And I hope its all attributed to dana underpaying fighters while flaunting money, cars, and lavish gifts to his already rich buddies

[@good8619]

Hey, it's Dana's fault for paying his employees piss-low wages. The fact that most of your roster needs to have a 2nd job in order to not starve, well it's pretty pathetic.

[@doug46745]

@@ranc1d_mustard437 Thats Dana whites own money, thats not ufc payroll hes pulling from lmfao. Don't see why so many people cry about a man giving his own money to his friends like that at all takes money away from fighters

[@doug46745]

@@good8619 A prelim fighter literally sells 0 ppvs, theyre investments and filler, all the sales come from the top. Non Main event boxers get paid worse, pretty much any sport structured like the ufc has all its money concentrated at the top. Fighting 2 times a year and generating 0 ppvs doesn't spare you from having to work a job

[@doug46745]

​@umarb7325 If anyone is parroting its the people glazing ngannou and acting like this lawsuit is a godsent. 0 critical thinking just going with mob. This isnt "a pay increase" is an attack on the idea of an exclusive contract that is literally the biggest difference between boxing and mma, nobody making the boxing comp is talking about paydays, theyre talking about the disorganization, corruption and dying of the sport. Keep calling people parrots when you can't even grasp simple arguments

[@GeneralKitten]

I pray for fighters to get treated better. The game will be heightened when athletes can pay for their own training while still being able to make rent.

[@bigphilly08]

That Reebok deal ruined MMA fighters ability to get outside sponsorship. Surprised it's taken this long for a lawsuit to come about

[@Idris-ku9xm]

Problem is that the UFC either paid off people who tried to bring it up a lot or the fighters were too scared of being blackballed or financially ruined by a court case. The UFC monopoly over mma at times is partly why they are being sued

[@upliftmofo]

I don’t think this will go anywhere. The UFC will do anything to keep it like it is.

[@TheBlackHyenas]

Love to see other promotions get top fighters

[@sirtoby04]

The thing about them not being able to fight in other organisations for a year is cruel

[@lalocastellanos]

If you ever make a video on the explanation of boxing’s weight divisions, just saying you’d get a view and a thumbs up from this guy.

[@badumtss3067]

This could also introduce a multiple belt era in MMA. Imagine a UFC champion fighting the PFL champion to unify both titles at the heavyweight division. I personally like the 4 belt era in boxing.

[@majortom331]

The fighters in the case are also trying to get the belts out of the promoters hands and into a third party through the ali act, like boxing does. So that may be a possibility

[@nicklubrino2606]

The 4 belt era is what’s ruining boxing.

[@brandonhahn8760]

Thanks for putting this explanation together TJ, you da goat

[@soneshkoolath8744]

UFC should remain exactly as it is however I do belive that fighters pay should increase and the revenue sharing percentage should be what other sports league do atleast round 40 to 50%. If the want we can also have a fighter association like in NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL. This is the only partical solution.

[@dontworryaboutme6410]

At least with boxing a top fighter can have more say in what he wants. The ufc literally silences fighters by force.

[@nicklubrino2606]

That’s because boxing has promoter’s that try to outbid each other for the boxer’s services, and, thus, giving the boxer more of a voice. The UFC is only promoter in MMA. The UFC has no competition. With no competition, the UFC can pay the fighters as little as possible.

[@J4sse]

1:24 1:33 Those uppercuts are little too slow and awkward brother 😭

[@VulgarBeyondSteel]

Lmao

[@kamikazeplays6818]

Jabs are good but yeah upercuts can be worked on.

[@gamebred6995]

He's horrible

[@Itsbrandenn]

im so glad this is happening the fighters deserve way better

[@StoneyManny]

That cross looks like I will break your fingers, make a fist ! 1:24

[@dariondukes8752]

I think a case study we all need to look at is wrestling as in WWE RAW ect. Different promotions different house hold names yet the contracts are non explotive. This is possible for MMA the UFC keeps there fighters in an iron grip and the money flowing towards them with almost no downside. Wrestling as a business may be proof that Greed is the only factor keeping fighters underpaid.

[@pjlaveus3964]

I hope this goes all the way they’ve been stealing money from these fighters for years

[@carlitos8943]

UFC was never on top boxing will and always be the #1 combat sport it’s not even close and even now that the UFC is gaining popularity it’s still nowhere near the same level

[@barokmeca]

This can honestly mess up WWE too who's under the same parent company.

[@Idris-ku9xm]

Not really. The UFC are a separate company and will have a separate LLC. WWE or any other Endeavour companies will not be affected. The UFC as a company will be forced to pay if they lose but not any other Endeavour company

[@cornjulio]

I think they know theyre going to have to change eventually so theyre going to stall as long as possible

[@blackblurable]

When they cut the ability for fighters to make money off sponsorships. That’s when I knew it was going to get worse. I remember them being able to wear and show off anything they wanted. I still watch the UFC, but I actually prefer ONE instead. I love their Muay Thai and kickboxing only bouts. That and they have catch weight bouts, regular mma and grappling. I think it’s dope. Boxing has been picking up this year. Everything could be better for sure. Without the fighters we have nothing. They should be taken care of. Is that too much to ask? They risk it all and get peanuts. Very few make bank

[@mugshotmarley]

This was long time coming, with the proceedings slowly catching speed. The Fretitas got out just in time. I wouldnt be surprised that they knew this was inevitable within the next 5-10 years, so they were more open to selling the UFC sooner than later. This ruling will open up the UFC to numerous lawsuits from the fighters,. No one would want to buy those problems and sinking the UFC's worth to potential buyers. Smart move on the Fretitas to get out when they did.

[@Jdam5]

The fertitas would have had more than 4bill at this point, so i don't know why you backtrack like that, ufc is worth 10b don't think 1.6b will hurt

[@leodcaribbean6224]

Question! i watch the ufc here and there but not familiar with the contracts ets.... dont tge fighters have to sign a contract? meaning they get the contract read it agree to it then sign it? if they are not happy with it why signing it? or is a thing that changes all the time?

[@AdamCeladin]

Strange youtube was not hit with similar lawsuit already !!!

[@logosfocus]

make it happen dana.. oh

[@dylanstevens9119]

one championship is a better promotion

[@giangomez6079]

Mighty mouse needs to hop on this!

[@FLOYD-MAYWEATHER-TBE]

The thing with meal preps is they’re really expensive, you could get all that nutrient foods at a fraction of a cost if to cook it your self and the other thing is they’re one size fits all, the meals just don’t fill the average male up.

[@good8619]

Yup, you're better off just cooking for yourself. But he's obviously advertising for the money alone, so good for him.

[@TheWaterboy.]

Just let him get his bag bro

[@FLOYD-MAYWEATHER-TBE]

@@good8619true but he should make alright money of the views alone. I would only push products I use my self and he prolly doesn’t use the meal preps but yea I get it

[@matejsebechlebsky12]

I think UFC is still gonna be the biggest promotion even if the fighters win the court case. UFC will just need to pay its fighters a lot more to be able to outcompete their rivals and keep fighters on their roster. That will be very good for the fighters and fans. Somebody should sue the UFC for the stupid Reebok/Venum deal as well since it cuts a lot of fighers potential pay

[@J4sse]

Francis really started something. The Ngannou effect 🇨🇲...

[@harindergill4358]

Francis wasn’t even doing mma when this lawsuit happened. Guys like Randy couture and Jon fitch are the ones pushing for it. Francis has nothing to do with the lawsuit

[@gamebred6995]

😅ngannou has nothing in this

[@scarlet__eye9489]

This lawsuit has been going on for over 10 years, before Ngannou even started fighting

[@SpencerTheBard]

UFC needs saul goodman on this case

[@calnithm]

Hope they don’t, the UFC is long overdue to pay athletes fairly

[@sonang7721]

The Reebok deal were signed just because the fighters were getting sponsors cash that the UFC could not touch at the time. That deal made it clear that Sponsors have to go through UFC/Zuffa/Dana

[@wokjock]

The only thing I don’t like about the fighters winning is that it will turn into boxing where the pay scales are even worse on the low end and only a handful of top guys will make money. Plus the best won’t fight the best.

[@americanhooligan2894]

Can you make a ksi vs tommy and logan vs dannis predictions video

[@Ohmz27]

Sucks for UFC, but they are nothing without the fighters, and their parasitic contracts are bad for fighters as well as for fans. UFC's contracts can easily have fighters sitting around doing nothing in the middle of their prime fighting years, when those fighters want desperately to fight, and the fans want to see them fight. The . The UFC is basically telling fighters to fuck their life up if they don't bend the knee to UFC, that ain't right. The only real argument I see for the UFC is that the success would be magnitudes less if it wasn't for their management and promotion, but while the UFC may be the brains behind it all, the fighters are still the heart, lungs, kidneys, livers of the UFC. And ironically it's ONLY the fighters who put their brains on the line for the UFC too.

[@tonytooshort]

I understand the argument that 'non-competes are good for the league' bc you don't have the top guys all split between different leagues. But there's one big problem with that: the only reason fighters would even think of going elsewhere is because *YOU'RE PAYING THEM SHIT.* Or why is it you think Ja Morant doesn't just go play in China? Why do you think Luka came to the NBA? Why isn't Giannis in the Euro League? Bc they get a HUGE portion of the NBA's profits bc the NBA (rightly so) understands and acknowledges that *THEY ARE THE LEAGUE.* The fact that a certain segment of the UFC 'fan' base has to be explained this like a 4 year old is disgraceful and disgusting. I like Dana. I think he's a great matchmaker and he made UFC what it is today. But to pretend like there isn't a scummy, two faced side to that guy is comical to put it mildly.

[@mikec5400]

Videos like this have been popping up literally for years since that antitrust lawsuit started. And we've yet seen any change

[@tgF321jikko]

They need to win, maybe then the heavyweight division can stop being ass. Mma can get some of the talent thats making big money in football and basketball.

[@JBARSSS]

Finally if this goes all the way through more cross promotion will probably maybe even definitely happen. If the lawsuit wins everybody wins (the fighters and the consumers) the only ones that will lose are the money hungry executives.

[@josieandy5874]

Bruh, now the UFC is going to "break up" and become three separate companies to form the conglomerate "U.F.C."

[@Noob-dm8zf]

I personally thinks that the ufc should implement salary policy like the other major sports in USA, like paying their fighters around 50% of the revenues and a good amount of minimum wage for new fighters, not like 10k per fight. I don’t think the current boxing multi-promoter and multi-belt will do good for mma

[@haynguy98]

They should hit these gig apps

[@huricanethreeonesix]

Francis' good news plus this recent announcement is the 1-2 combo the UFC needs to fix the fuck up

[@thenedsmmachannel8970]

The Fertitas saw this coming and did the dash and took their 4.2 billion dollars lol

[@mystjrboxing4451]

ufc should make an mma vr game

[@Lobothemainman23]

The same people whining about them getting more money will be the same ones whining when it turns into boxing and the top fighters never fight each other

[@hungcapitalll]

The right decision doesnt always feel logical

[@alexyo2440]

The fight game was never supposed to be about getting rich at the low tier. It's like complaining about wages for moving furniture vs. building airplanes. And the guy who propped up the lawsuit wasn't even a good fighter, so go figure

[@vishnu2407]

They're laying their lives on the line every fight, let them have the best time they can while at it

[@DADRB0B55]

Except they already don’t, look at Bisping, Khabib, etc. The UFC feels the like WWE half the time

[@bigwave25]

Fighters take all the risk and UFC take the money. Sounds like a normal company.

[@antoniohristov8729]

It wont

[@Julian-tu6em]

Need this to happen, the UFC has screwed over fighters for far too long.

[@wipeout7184]

No it will kill Ufc, then it will become boxing all over again

[@majortom331]

@@wipeout7184 ufc would just have to pay the fighters more. They would still be an active business.

[@Lucixn1_]

Have a damn good day!

[@RecklessRacer]

I want this for the fighters but I dont want mma to become another boxing scene with 10 different organisations

[@ftm8712]

Class actions lawyer here. Certification only means they are allowed to file their suit against the UFC. It says nothing on the merit of the case.

[@ZombieEnjoyer13]

Shadow boxing going hard

[@one60eight]

although it means the big fights we want won’t happen as often and will be harder to book, i hope the fighters win and stick it to dana white and the owners of zuffa.

[@IFAMILYIH]

I’M SUPPORTING THE FIGHTERS THEY ARE SEVERELY UNDERPAID

[@ImMeE19]

Those fighters better get paid

[@majortom331]

Some new updates: Judge wants to unseal alll documents by october, and a trial in early 2024. Its looking good for the fighters.

[@AmuckPVP]

Jon Fitch is the last person to be complaining & should be grateful he got paid. He was one of the most boring fighters of all time.

[@zac-lemacaque]

this is awesome

[@starzz7221]

Everyone needs to be in one org or its not good, thats why people watch ufc mainly, the best of the best

[@hkxche]

I really hope people don’t ruin our sport

[@wipeout7184]

Facts

[@alexyo2440]

They are and they will

[@mba321]

People do tend to ruin things....f*ck people.

[@gamebred6995]

Your punches 😂

[@JSTRODE07]

You’ll probably see the middle tier fighters make less but the top fighters will make far more.

[@viniciusmesquita4094]

I hope the fighters win

[@TheKickboxingCommunity]

That stupid reebok deal ruined everything. Imagine forbidding someone to have sponsors.

[@logosfocus]

they gonna fight this with everything they got, even just postpone it indefinitely.. if they got this independent contractor system from vince and the wwe, now the got the lawyers of that same corporation to do what corporation lawyers do.. if they settle then its business as usual, lets see what these class action fighters are truly fighting for.. a bag, or the sport

[@Matthewsabate]

Dana white is the only reason I don't like ufc as much

[@muayboran6111]

ONE is coming, watch out

[@Miah_Lake]

These fighters NEED to he payed more

[@steviesavagegs8791]

I swear the people in these comments are acting like these fighters aren't getting paid more than we will see our entire lives, even the entry level fighters make good money, the end of the day this lawsuit guarantees one thing and thats an even higher ppv price for the consumer

[@madgavin7568]

Bad point because to be an MMA fighter is pretty damn expensive as you have to pay for travel and training camps and the price for those adds up into the tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes hundreds of thousands. You don't just pay a $200 annual gym fee membership and you're good to go, you're paying thousands and thousands of dollars just to even prepare to fight. That's not even taking into account taxes which will further eat into their profits. For an entry level UFC fighter, they're paid 12K to show and 12K to win, 25K to show and 25K to win if they got a decent enough contract. And hell even if they get a finish or have a back and forth war, they'd be lucky to get that 50K performance/fight bonus because those usually go to already established stars. So for you to say that 'entry level fighters make good money' is not only flat-out wrong, its damn ignorant. This lawsuit is needed because the UFC is exploitative and ruthless. The boss is greedy and a bully as well.

[@steviesavagegs8791]

@madgavin7568 the entry level ufc fighter makes 10-30k per fight lmao, that's half the average household income of a couple per year, and more importantly this lawsuit is just a waste of money that will result in higher ppv cost for the consumer. All these fighters have contracts, and just because they are shit contracts doesn't mean they aren't legal

[@madgavin7568]

@@steviesavagegs8791 Bro you just proved my point while ignoring everything I said prior about training camps, traveling and taxes. I haven't even mentioned if the fighter has an injury that requires surgery (which happens all the time), that costs even more money to get it fixed. Entry-level UFC fighters are paid chump change. The whole 'oh but they're paid more than me' is an absolutely ignorant excuse. Its just another form of Corporate apologism at the end of the day. The UFC makes enough money as it is with their PPV sales, which are already too damn expensive for what they market to us. Stacked PPV cards are now no longer the rule. The UFC can cut PPV sales, pay fighters more (splitting the revenue) and they'll still earn a lot of money. The promotion is just stingy and the boss is a greedy prick. I'm not paying $80 for a PPV.

[@steviesavagegs8791]

@@madgavin7568 15-30k per fight is more than enough to live on

[@madgavin7568]

@@thatoneguybones8036 Thank you! Its always infuriating to see shills and ignoramuses like the OP defend shit fighter pay.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP

[@iixxion]

Class Action lawsuits don't make money appear out of nowhere, and they cannot force the UFC to increase fighter pay. Even if certain fighters win money for past actions, current fighters will only get paid their market value. You guys seem to think that there are organizations out there willing to pay new fighters 100k+ per fight. Sorry bros, that is just not the reality we live in. The UFC pays the highest on the market, and not a single other organization can currently pay more than they do. Could they pay more for the top stars? of course. Everybody has money for the top stars. But there is no trickle-down effect here. The undercard gets shafted everywhere but the UFC, and that's a harsh truth you people don't want to face. Will we see UFC minimums go up after this lawsuit? Guess what? They've been steadily going up for five years now, and they will continue to do so. And remember, MMA is a babe in the woods compared to other professional sports leagues, and it's also run completely differently as a business. If you want to compare it to something, don't compare it to, say, the NBA. Compare it to a small market team in the NBA, like OKC or Memphis. But instead of having 18 people on the roster, make that 600. Then you'll get a better idea of the economics of it all.

[@chadleywinnets]

Good Fighters are being utterly screwed by UFC, its inexcusable

[@Ash-pd1xd]

yikes its a class action law suit tho

[@tajtahmeena8635]

the ufc itself is worth somewhere around 10-20 billion! so no $5 billion is not a small amount for them to pay.

[@notthisguyagain8557]

How much money do you honestly think these other promotions have to sign these fighters? So imagine if they signed Derick Lewis, they'd probably pay maybe 20% more than the UFC, they'd have to market this guy, which is going to cost money and I honestly to God don't see waves of fighters going to the pfl to watch a guy like Lewis. The top talent will stay at the UFC because they have the most prestige, visibility, and brand awareness. I'm sure the pfl paying for Francis is going to be a bad financial decision

[@piotrd7355]

Now if RIZIN and ONE were to buy out the UFC, history would come full circle, and justice would be done.

[@RRSLIMEE]

Not really if ONE & RIZIN they could shut down the UFC as the UFC is a big competitor to there company