Why Titans Protect This Timeline - Speculation Lore

[@Nishinga.]

Your storytelling has completely changed the way I view WoW in such a positive way, I actually feel so much more immersed in the world because of it. They help so much whenever I need to get my mind off things and need to disappear to somewhere better. Just wanted to say thank you Nobbel for always making such incredible videos all these years, I really appreciate you.

[@joezar33]

Agree , playing WoW I normally kill the bad NCP and ignore the lore , I come back too channels like these too find out what the back story too all these villains..

[@Laksilaks]

Youre a nice person!

[@kulrigalestout]

I think it's quite telling that the Titans specifically do NOT want to preserve the timeline in which they win. As seen in the Time Rift scenarios, there is a timeline in which they saw their experiments through to the end and accomplished all they wanted to do. And yet, it was dumped in the same heap as the ones where the Scourge eliminated all life, where King Mechagon reversed the Curse of Flesh, where the Old Gods ate the planet, and where the Burning Legion reset the cosmos. All of those fates, and more, are, if not just as bad, at least not worse than... winning. Somehow, for some reason, they don't want to succeed completely. And Azeroth, our planet and their sister, is at the center of this mess.

[@Yvario]

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[@nataschajordan6053]

its needed that all forces bind tgether balanced - as all things should be - so azeroth becomes a balancing force that can outbalance temporary imbalances. thats why they needed the most powerful WS to become the amalgam of all 6 forces, to become the 7ths force.

[@scionicog]

I stand by my own theory, which I made a 1-off video of. I mostly make TTRPG content, so literally just a 1-time thing. But TL;DW of it: All 6 elements have an Anchor Point on Azeroth to put energy into or take out of. World Tree(s), ICC, The Sword, etc. Places of power that can channel the energy from all 6 of the Cosmic Realms into Azeroth to allow her to emerge whole. A single being with powers of the 6, combining them in unthinkable ways to combat "What is to come" ~Zovaal "The Light is Blind, it cannot see the whole of destiny because it alone is not responsible for it" Is the quintessential line that brings my theory together. All 6 are playing to control the prize, but they will all seize it together at the same time. So as the times get more turbulent, so too do we enter the end game. And Legion was 'just the beginning'. Fel, setup, Death, Order, Light, Void, Life is the order of the expansions Legion, BFA, Shadowlands, Dragonflight, The War Within, Nightmare, The Last Titan. We are playing into The First Ones' design, we the players are the key to the mechanism to 'Fix' Entropy/Decay (Gnolls who worship it), the all devouring 'End'. To bring 'Balance to the Cosmos' to a hypothetical 'once and for all'. Will we meet the First Ones? Probably not, Entropy may have consumed them alreaddy

[@biometalix]

Light and Void are like 2 gamblers at the roulette table in my view. The Light will make 1 big bet on 1 number and then manipulate things for that 1 number to win. If there is only 1 chance, then all other options must suffer and all other bets must be losses. The Void will make a spread of bets across a region and then manipulate things to end roughly in that area. Even if they lose most of their bets, the few small wins will carry them forward until that major payday.

[@AndyJP]

Why protect this timeline? We know of one character that exists outside of this timeline, so it is clear to me that they fear the almighty Med'an!

[@eduardomilder7846]

I've been watching the videos on this channel for as long as I can remember, I've probably watched them all more than once. Often playing WoW and listening to videos at the same time. I can consider myself an expert in WoW Lore because these videos are extremely rich and I never tire of listening and understanding more about this universe. Thank you very much @Nobbel87 for being part of my adolescence and my life!

[@Quetzen]

Just as the Shadowlands had a very solid order of handling souls and anima, only to be flawed over time, I feel this timeline is more and more unpredictable the longer it reaches. Something I've started musing and theorizing about is how the whole of the story does not seem to value or mention because it is hard to catalogue, and that is player intervention. No Titan prophecy can really predict the absolute unpredictability of people capable of stopping colossi and irredeemable villains in pocket worlds, running down invisible life bars and earning vanity in the shape of the demons they destroyed. It sounds stupid, but I fail to see how a Titan tried to kill an Old God and witness the absolute conequences of it versus the 'adventurers' managing to kill them through sheer gameplay mathematics. Even Algalon saw this as a weird form of 'free will' of sorts, something it could not comprehend, because in all senses and purposes without shattering too much of the fourth wall, Algalon and his superiors are 'written' in a way that forces them to see everything one way while the players can freely just topple story events over and over, repeatedly, without dramatically ruining the timeline. Now I know for gameplay reasons we are allowed to do things over and over, but I've never heard the game congratulate an adventurer, so... do they really exist? Are they the ones just magically keeping the timeline 'stable' by picking one instance and making sure it happens? Maybe I'm missing something, but to me, having the power to see the future reminds me of an old story I wrote mildly based off my 'gameplay mechanics' theory where a character was gifted the power to see the future, in small events, how they will turn out, and how to prepare for them, but if at any point they change history thanks tot hat power to a point that the next vision cannot happen, the whole of the power is lost. This made me think the timeline we're in has something that will be absolute. A culmination of sorts. Something that cannot happen in any other timeline, yet the Titans know it will happen. This can play in two ways, and as this is a fantasy video game, you bet we'll get the worse end of it. And another thing. If Iridikron is traveling to another timeline, does that mean that other timeline TECHNICALLY also has an Iridikron in it trying to do the same thing? That that other timeline also crossed with an alternate alternate Draenor? And that THAT timeline also has an Iridikron trying to go elsewhere? I'm sorry. I've been fascinated by time travel stories and writing out stories based off the consequences of time travel and alternate universes since the mid-90s and this makes my mind spin so hard.

[@selasiovec8581]

Invasive is what all the cosmic forces are. yes they see their own prophies, but I think that we, the mortals of Azeroth have been touched by Azeroth herself, increasing our will, defiance, zeal for life and thirst for truth. She saw us at the beginning and since we've been touched by her subtle but powerful hand we're able to do things that npcs just are equipped for, and the more we achieve the stronger her hand is and the more powerful her will runs through us and the more we can achieve. I think because of this, we tend to through every timeline into what is mistaken for chaos. But her goal, is just to be free (and maybe wreck the Titans and the void lords a new one, treating her the way she has been since the beginning)

[@gonx9906]

summary: Azeroth works as a Mcguffin that breaks fate and makes the impossible possible.

[@patrickmccurry1563]

She is a literal axis mundi.

[@playlist233]

I'm more curious why the bronze flight so casually dismissed their long and "sacred charge" in Dragonflight. Perhaps its just me but I would've expected such a weighty decision to have more ramifications

[@aster4jaden]

That's Dragonflight in a nutshell.

[@ransac16]

I'm not certain they actually have abandoned their charge. It seems more like Nozdormu has just decided to be more flexible with the smaller details for the sake of compassion. Unless I missed something, the Bronze still maintains the timeways and the proper flow of time.

[@archdruidbookwalter951]

It would have been so cool if that was what transformed Nozdormu into Murozond, instead of whatever the hell happened with Chrono-lord Deios.

[@laertesindeed]

@@ransac16 No, the danuser writing in dragonflight most definitely had the bronze flight totally abandoning their charge and their knowledge and their tasks. Just like every color dragonflight in dragonflight did. The writing is so terrible that it makes us think there was a "PURPOSEFUL" evil conspiracy by cosmic team Life to mind control and steal the aspects away from Titan teachings.....totally betraying the world soul and the mortal non-dragons on this planet.

[@ransac16]

@@laertesindeedWhile I will admit that the writing for each flight was barely involved and weirdly heavy-handed, I think you might be fixating on hating Danuser rather than seeing the whole picture. Or maybe after Shadowlands I'm just clinging to whatever decent scraps we get. Not seeing any active plan by the "life gods (Do we even have a name for that "faction" yet). The Aspects are still honoring the Titans, or at the very least, their image of the Titans as presented by/through Tyr. And the World Soul itself directly restored their powers. Of course that's at the end of the expansion so we'll see at best 10% of that impacting.

[@joezar33]

Reverse Flash : "it was me Berry" 😅😂

[@grennbalze]

Love the Primus implication

[@Boxeri]

lovee your videos, never forget the firsts ones about garrosh etc back inda days! Big love from Finland bro!

[@blackblade99009]

If Azeroth is a titan she would probably be the one tied to destiny/fate, it would explain why she is so powerful and why every cosmic force wants at least a little piece of the pie.

[@ssjtruncks90]

Aleria's vision of the light being a hunter and enslaving people kind of reminds me of how the lightforged draini of the Warlords of Dranor timeline were acting towards the orcs that didn't want the lights "gift" during the allied races quest for the WoD orcs

[@xarris37]

i appreciate the interesting ideas and insights you have about the story. wow's overarching story has been a big mess due to the nature of the game and how its made for a long time, but you constantly searching for connections in things that can seem quite disparate, or even trying to mend plotholes is helping me reconnect to the story and world of azeroth.

[@warllockmasterasd9142]

All I can say about Aman'thul is that he does not like Trees.

[@farodin04]

I loved a thousand years of war, it's such a shame that we haven't gotten more like it after legion. It's basically the main reason why I like characters like Alleria and Turalyon and such a fresh way to consume more warcraft lore.

[@DEML91]

Zovaal wasn't able to see that much into the future , instead he used mortals to influence things to his favor, Aman'thul has power over time so he is able to see multiple timelines and work to make sure the one that favors Order keeps going, this is much like N'zoth which can see multiple futures but doesn't know which one is the "best" but influences the present to reach the future that favors him the most.

[@thogarn_bob5930]

Thank you Nobbel for all the content. Personally, I just can’t get behind such a contrived story featuring time travel that doesn’t revolve around time travel. The writers are bending over backwards trying connect expansions

[@Bysentenial]

I always saw the true timeline as make sure no one changes what has already happened, but what's happening in the now is still undetermined.

[@AlHyckGaemsTAD]

An absolute banger video from Nobbel, got to say it!

[@hardwing]

Respect for this amazing videos! It is really a deep dive into lore.

[@Terrados1337]

About Iridikron: Have we ever learn what "the depths of his depravity" is/was? I assume this is related to his "hunger" and him being similar to Galakrond.

[@samuelhellewell2880]

Closest thing I could find was his allegiance it’s the djaridin and some questionable desiions on his part

[@Seabersify]

I'm sure you've been asked, I loved playing my paladin, (goes without saying I love your videos, great to listen to in the background!), I keep missing your streams to ask, but why do you love your paladin so much? :)

[@dry009]

Hi Nobbel, any thoughts on "Time" being the unknown 7th cosmic force? It is conspicuously absent from both cosmological charts but *everything* hinges on it. All of prophecy revolves around the idea that there is a seeable future. Bronze magic and abilities don't obviously stem from any one other cosmic force. What do the other forces have that Time lacks? Physicality, perhaps, a 'realm' or 'plane' of its own.

[@Gebirges]

Everytime we mess with the timelines, alternate realities, it's something that alters the path into the future. The Jailor would have won if not for the Bronze Dragons basically ruining all possibility for planing all paths out. You can't plan for a Mag'har Orc that shouldn't be here. You can't plan for Demon Hunters and the Nightborne and Highmountains joining the Horde because AU Gul'dan shouldn't be in the true timeline, bringing in the Legion. We can only win by being unpredictable.

[@PrimalistOptimus]

I strongly believe the Primus was the real Jailer and that Zoval was a puppet. I love lore speculation.

[@Ironbreeze53]

5:45 possible similar to the Valar. They know who they but have no idea of the interaction between each other’s powers or their domains interact

[@AgentVamp]

Arthas brings the army of light in one timeline and as the Lich King in another, bringing the army of the dead while Illidan rides Sargeras, bringing the Illidari and the Legion with Azshara bringing the Naga and the Highborne, while Grommash and his Iron Horde trudge in, while Malfurion and nature itself entangle the enemy, while the Elemental Lords wreck the joint against all the forces of control: - Xera, Yrel, the Lightbound and the Light. - The Void Lords and the Old Gods. - Disorder itself. - The Jailer. - Eonar and the Wild Gods. - The Titans. And we kill them all and all live happily ever after. The End! Thanks for reading my fan fiction. xD

[@patrikzotaj4528]

yes he should have been been king of lordaeron in this alternate timeline.

[@OMGwtfSTFUbrb]

The fel not having a prophecy kind of makes sense as the nature of the fel seems to be to rebel against fate.

[@jare3959]

Can't wait until Owen Wilson joins the bronze dragonflight.

[@sanstheskeleton8104]

''Oh wow, dragons''

[@cjcj4861]

It's been a while since I watched these in good old videos me and I love World of Warcraft the game is always been in my heart I can't never stop watching these videos thank you for uploading this I hope World of Warcraft get new expansions or make it to the end

[@johnl9763]

The Fel prophecy is what set Sargeras on his Burning Crusade....

[@Flummiification]

well explained. I am of the opinion that Prophecy, time travel and alternate universes make for pretty bad storytelling. It seems like they have their difficulties to bring the stuff from all the different writers over the years in line. but the path they choose if it will be like you said could work. a story, you take part in, can be forgiven some bad elements if it overall still is fun.

[@tahroo4262]

Yeah, you should really finish Loki.... because this story line feels like that. I think the timeline is sacred is because of us, the adventurers. We aren't in other timelines, our presence is like a destructive force against whatever our quest log tells us need be removed. But for others looking through the timeline, we are invisible. Like an anomaly.

[@tahroo4262]

Though I think another easier to explain option is.... well the writing team hasn't been very good in the past few years and we're paying the price for that with confusing story arcs that they think are 10,000 IQ 4d chess, which ultimately end up unresolved because they forgot about it. Notice that in the vision of the past of the Black Empire fighting the Elemental Lords... everyone is there except Neptulon. Al'Akir is top left, Ragnaros is top right, and Therazane is down in the center (which you can go attack her, it's quite amusing). There are water elementals fighting, but their lord is not present.

[@Cincere212]

“I AM MY SCARS! The light is your destiny. MY DESTINY IS MY OWN” proceeds to destroy a being who is titan keeper levels of power

[@warllockmasterasd9142]

Considering Illidan was strong enough to House the essence of Sargeras. Not all of it of course, but he was meant to be a new Avatar in Gul'dan's plans. I can see why the first of the Naruu would get overpowered.

[@taranbrat]

Emperor Shaohao could also predict the future to some degree

[@Pakulia]

Super interesting video. Can't wait to see where this all goes :D

[@TheRockingChar]

Oh no Nobbs please don't give blizz idea I don't want them to copy anything more from the MCU, it just doesn't mesh so often lol but hey I'll reserve judgement for now

[@LightningDragonGamer]

Yo! I didn't realize Steven Pacey narrated a thousand years of war! I had listened to it when it came out, but I started listening to the first law series which he narrated and realized in this video.

[@zerosiii]

Does this means that the Titans are outside of timelines, like the TVA? So there is only one Titan Pantheon, one set of Titans? What about the Burning Legion and that mess that they made in WoD? Is there one Burning Legion in all universes, or one per timeline? If Sargeras is a Titan, and Titans are outside of timelines, is he as well outside of time? Is the Burning Legion then as well? And which Archimonde did we fight in WoD? I hate I even have to ask these questions, I wish this was all answered properly in game. WoD was released 10 years ago, and we still don't know what happened there, what a mess. Anytime that time travel or alternate realities are introduced, it always creates such a mess

[@MStorebra]

It is easy to think about how different the timeline would be, different Horde vs Alliance, different Arthas or different Sylvanass, and by default say the Titans want THEIR timeline. We leave behind the tiny little thing with them forming life as we know in this timeline, remowed the Old gods - they then gave us the curse of flesh which gave us life on Azeroth as we know today. Yeah lets make a new timeline,. keep all the things that we like about Azeroth today and remowe all the bad things that the bad bad titans forced onto us :O

[@ThinFady]

this one was absolutely amazing. well done Nobbel. I wonder what's your secret in making such an awesome video like this.

[@Draculara_Victoria]

I think it's very fitting for the domain of chaos and disorder to not have any sort of prophets or prophecies. Doesn't really fit with the whole idea of it if you ask me.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

It's the one in which they are on top, I didn't even need to watch to surmise that.

[@laertesindeed]

That doesn't work, considering how many betrayals and defeats the Titans suffer in this timeline. Seems more likely that they are preserving a timeline where the Azeroth World Soul becomes the Titan of Wisdom..... following the Sophia archetype from gnostic mythology. For that to happen, she has no equal and opposite partner like the other cosmic forces have.....and she was confronted by each of those forces wanting to make her their own; but learned through her observing the activities of mortals on her surface why each of those confrontations would be a mistake. And after which, she gains real Wisdom and could then rightly manifest herself as the Titan of Wisdom.

[@mitzukirigaya3180]

Hey nobbel, i love your content. Will you ever make an video about the classes we play? Like how strong each class in the lore is and how powerfull our characters are?

[@Mindy_T]

Was that Antonio Banderas talking to Alleria? 😅😅😅

[@POTATOEMPN]

I think Azeroth, the Titan, is going to be able to see the whole story. That's why every faction is after Azeroth. They want to use her or kill her so others can't abuse her power.

[@-blakethesteak-]

what if the titans were so preoccupied with fighting the void that they failed to notice the other domains were also trying to get their hands on one (freya life domain, sargeras disorder domain) even death domain got argus and.... what if holy domain is in a tug of war with the shadow domain for azeroth

[@Krane2000]

Maybe this timeline wasn't the original one? Aman'Thul clearly can manipulate time, so maybe in the long distant past he shattered time to escape his fate, creating all the different timelines, and used it to enforce a future where he, the Titans, and Order eventually succeeded. It would be a nice parallel to Nozdormu and Murazond. Aman'Thul cursed Nozdormu if he attempted to change his future because it could reveal Aman'Thul had done that exact thing himself, and undermine his authority over the cosmos.

[@laertesindeed]

Nah, doesn't match the lore. Aman'thul has had too many defeats in this timeline and he "NEVER" forces anybody to be all Arcane. The success of the verb of ordering this world soul would be the success of us as mortal beings on this planet. Every other force victimizes us and eradicates us forevermore.

[@aster4jaden]

I wish I could speculate, but unfortunately after Blizzard admitted during Shadowlands they change content depending on fan reaction. I simply can't, but I enjoy listening to yours and Bellular's speculations.

[@Lehmannation1923]

Would you prefer they just not listen at all? I hear plenty of whining that people don't like certain story choices wow makes, but if you don't think they should consider how we react then... what do you want from them?

[@Cyberfauna]

Well, you could just get over it hahaha. This is the most parroted stupid sentiment about the story. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, it will make things easier for you

[@joezar33]

All these changes of timeline wonder if that makes Private Server like Turtle and Ascension sorta canon lol ?

[@AlbikerkyIsNotReal]

Interesting way I grant how this view point is still. But I still stand with the Light. There is only Absolute right and wrong. Of coarse the Villains see's the Heroes as monsters. No shock. I mostly hate how it sounds that the game itself is going in this 'Balanced' viewpoint making Destiny some sort of greater entity or force that exists. Will the players be able to choose which path they wish to follow. Light. Darkness. Balance?

[@jackerez3537]

Exciting to have a villain whose motivations are at least interesting for once

[@laertesindeed]

Which villain...... the mysterious evil villains in the deep emerald dream who were responsible for mind controlling the dragon aspects and betraying Azeroth?

[@TheCynicalB]

fuckng bots showing up in your comments too.

[@chrisaizen3678]

Ff14 did the same thing in one expansion where if the light won it would erase all existence and vice versa with darkness. There must always be balance in all things.

[@fredskov3556]

Reason they can't figure out future: Dunning-kreuger effect

[@Partymikk]

What about prophet zul? His visions where crazy yes. Zandalar was hit but not washed away and his predition just moments ahead and his line. I forgot teach my studen most inportan lesson. To prepare ahead for future you not yet seen

[@airinyourtires2931]

this is probably not right but i almost wonder if the reason our characters can go against other people's predictions is because of our connection with the real world. like, what if the First Ones are us, the players, and we can negate in-universe foresight by existing outside of it? ...no maybe that's too meta

[@laertesindeed]

Wouldn't the first ones just be villains who created the void and chaos forces that torture you and want to eradicate you forevermore? I seriously don't understand why anybody quickly assumes first ones are good.

[@airinyourtires2931]

@@laertesindeed that’s also possible

[@Pory02]

YIn and Yang. Truth and Lies. Light and Darkness. I love Stories like that! So simple and still so complex! The Light is Religion, The Void is Science. Maybe Disorder has no Prophecies. It is Disorder. Why would the Chaos let itself lead by any kind of vision? Chaos is just wild and acts wild. It acts by its instinkts and just consumes. I don't think Disorder would have such a thing. IF they would have Sargeras would have acted differently. He would have Worked with the Void and not against it.

[@hidefreek6905]

I think Iridikron realised that the Titan interference to the world isn't good for the world. Even the Titan has good intendtion. But their perspective and vision might not good for the world. If the Proto-Dragons are free-spirited then, they hate the way of Titan who seeking perfection of order.

[@wexoriann]

Whyy everyone forgot that this is not original timeline , original timleine was chaned when ,broxigar krasus and forgot name , acidently traveled to the war of the ancients

[@kingocoffee6354]

This is starting to feel like Strathholme for titans. Purge all timelines for the greater good, but we do know theyre capable of nuance for not pulling out snake boy old god who wouldve killed the world spirit-- rather than what we see in some experiments, aka kill if sense any corruption. Im just not sure if I trust how this "everything must be balanced" will play out when everything evil so far, like the old gods, has been pretty damningly evil.

[@CynthiaDarksteel]

Because the final plot of the titans is forcing the awakening of Azeroth and made her join them. Despite she only cares her inhabitants.

[@PandaWolf525]

I’m just waiting the Alternate Drainor with the army or light to invade.

[@tamas9554]

I mean, how should Iridikron know all of this? He has to get that information from somewhere, like the Aspects did from the Titans. The problem is, I can't think of anything that can tell him about this "higher" truth. What makes this different from the "truths" of the Old Gods? The Titans were always supposed to be the wisest and most powerful creatures in the universe after all, hence why I dislike the idea of turning them into flawed and sanctimonious figures so much.

[@Lonewanderer6666]

World of Murlocraft Please. Mmmrrrggglll!

[@vincentgillett6110]

I don’t understand why Blizzard seems to be trying to change the lore so that the Titans aren’t as good as we think they are and the Old Gods are misunderstood. The Old gods/Void want to corrupt/consume all life and cause unimaginable suffering. They have never once tried to claim they want anything other than that. They have always been unapologetically single minded in their goals. The Titans might not be paragons of honesty and freedom, but at least they have tried to help cultivate and protect life in the universe to some degree, which makes them good guys by default. The only way Blizzard could make this kind of retcon is if they did something even more stupid than say that the Jailer was the mastermind behind everything ever, but he had a good reason…supposedly…possibly…like something worse than the Void and Burning Legion combined was on its way. Blizzard have written themselves into a corner where the Titans are so incredibly powerful they can control the entire WoW timeline, yet were puppets of the Jailer, or vice-versa, but then there are the First Ones, who are more powerful than everyone, but maybe not.

[@slytherben]

I'm with you. This Danuser driven nonsense just doesn't interest me.

[@laertesindeed]

The whole "titans are bad" thing makes no sense.

[@kyrias9391]

Well put

[@red_river_radio7927]

@@laertesindeed It doesn't? The idea of seizing control of every single thing, including the player, under some sort of "Orderly" dictatorship, doesn't depict them in a negative light? Too much of any cosmological force is bad. Balance is needed.

[@laertesindeed]

@@red_river_radio7927 None of what you just typed has anything to do with the Metzen writing that has shown the Titans acting ethically. None of your head canon ever happened on Draenor when Aggramar did work there and left. None of what you describe happened on Azeroth even when the Titans thought they had won and were ordering things. Their order "WAS" balance, and they proved that nobody would be a slave. They did not exclude life magic or light magic or even elemental earth magic. There was never a dictatorship, and I have never been told by any Titan what I was required to think or do against my will. Meanwhile, Death magic and Fel magic and Void magic "HAVE" attempted dictatorships and to kill me and kill everyone I care about, and that I would be forced to worship them. The Titans "NEVER" told me to worship them, in fact they said not to worship them. They don't want to be called gods, they find it hubris and embarrassing folly.

[@Thromash]

We are still following their path. Everything has been manipulated by the the Master of Time. Even those who *think* they see the future. The scales are bigger than shown.

[@POTATOEMPN]

Scales may appear larger in the mirror.

[@GustavoNoronha]

The jailer did not predict, he was just opportunistic.

[@zetathebeasto]

This is my headcanon. I really hate the idea of "he was the mastermind behind everything", because undermine everything that happened just to add another villian to the mix. But the idea of him being just an opportunistic villian, makes his character a little better, besides, makes more sense that the dreadlords were his spies. The Jailer planning in real time and taking chances and not some Aizen knockout bs.

[@GustavoNoronha]

@@zetathebeastoI wish Blizzard was better at making this kind of thing clearer. They leave way too much to be read between the lines.

[@daniellaughlin]

Could you make more Hearthstone content? I’d love to see a video about Ambassador Faelin!

[@tylermcnally8232]

People still play that money pit?

[@daniellaughlin]

@@tylermcnally8232 If you just buy the Tavern Pass it is much cheaper than a WoW subscription.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

It’d be hilarious if the Old Gods were the good guys. But I think it’s more likely that there are no good guys.

[@Polopala420]

You better believe that the titans preserve a timeline where millions upon millions of mawwalkers are existing, when it's supposed to be a once in a milennia thing to occur.

[@kylep4991]

We have to reach Steins Gate, Lord Illidan Stormrage could lead the way!

[@starfleetau]

New Nobbel video is up, so it's time to stay a while.. and listen. :D

[@Shovelchicken]

Remember when everything wasn’t t cosmic or morally grey? Good times.

[@red_river_radio7927]

Classic WoW had cosmic forces, all the time...

[@titchbits1]

Summary: Loki season 2

[@PELLIOTIS]

I dont like the treatment titans get lately at all. While we can see their obsession with order, at the same time their work is beneficial to all powers. By ordering the planet the domains of life and death take a hold on the planet. In turn light and void try to corrupt/acquirr the living mortals to their side. And fel has an other target to corrupt, conquee and destroy as they always did. Titans are the only fair players in my book and demonising them just hurts the lore on ita entirety. Where were the titans and their truth when the mortals shaped Azeroths entire history? Yes they have some facilities and forces but they were never active. All of this is a series of bad story/worldbuilding in Blizzards side of things.

[@apacalypsagon3758]

Why are we so inclined to trust the bad guys word these days? Aren't they inherently deceitful and have no reason to tell us the truth.If anything they should only be telling us half truths to psyche us out.

[@red_river_radio7927]

Now, replace "Bad Guys" with "Titans"... we may have been deceived, all our lives. Only people to trust are ourselves.

[@apacalypsagon3758]

​@@red_river_radio7927 Well that's just cynical. Not to mention awkward seeing as how the Titans way of things has been a benefit for everyone for the most part.Not to mention we always end up using their stuff to solve all of our problems.

[@Matwho]

I know that the reason Gallywix showed her was because of the sword wound, and it let him know what his staff really had on it. But isn't it crazy to think the thing she held in her hand, that the Jailor told her she would hold, came from cataclysm.

[@alessandroseverino8222]

Blizzard had the guts to say the Jailor was planed 20 years ago, back on wc3, so it was his master plan all along! (a character without any sort of development and negative charisma)

[@harkenrebirth]

I still predict.. Alleria Windrunner.... is Xalathat.

[@Jacketpotatos1]

Great vid, but i honestly hope none of this multiverse/alternate timeline shit happens. Its overdone and lazy imo

[@WoWFtw8]

WHAT, nobbel speculating lore??

[@georgisimidchiev795]

The primus conspiracy theory on wowhead is the best wow storytelling could have been tbh everything else is mediocre.

[@askinnakklevaar98]

Where on wowhead do I read these theory’s ?

[@hazemboughammoura2592]

History of wow is a set of lies agreed upon

[@laertesindeed]

I'm not the slightest bit convinced that the Titans want to force order magic..... the only "order" they want is the verb, to order things in such a way that they are balanced and sustainable and deserving and flourishing. We have "NEVER" seen any such thing as order magic. Only arcane magic and light magic and shadow magic and life magic and death magic and fel magic. And the Titans have "NEVER" forced everyone to be arcane magic. They have been perfectly happy to use light magic and life magic and even death magic in their task to make things balanced and sustainable and deserving and flourishing. The only thing they don't like are Fel magic and Void magic..... both of which have proved themselves to cause destruction and torture and suffering and total imbalance.

[@red_river_radio7927]

Look at it this way... the Old Gods transformed most of the races into beings of flesh. If these begins of flesh were forced under Order, they would rebel and serve the Old Gods. Hence, deceit it needed to puppet these beings of flesh to serve order, until the time is right to subdue them.

[@TheMetroidblade]

@@red_river_radio7927 except the titans only made things out of stone and metal on Azeroth and it isn’t necessary a “curse of flesh” but a change of the matrix that they made up of. This has been in the game since ulduar but we are only paying attention to it cause of current events.

[@laertesindeed]

@@red_river_radio7927 The Titans were the ones who already had standard matrix defaults for flesh beings that they normally create on worlds. It was "ONLY" because they found Old Gods on Azeroth when they arrived, and noticed that they were too easily corrupting the minds of pure flesh beings that they went to a temporary plan B of making constructs out of rock and metal from the existing Azeroth material. They needed to do this temporarily so that they could fight and contain the Old Gods without damaging the planet itself further. Then their plan was to eventually go back to flesh beings with the kind of life magic that Eonar could use. The reality is, Old Gods did not create life, nor flesh..... they just speak in half truths and lies; so what they probably managed to do was find some way to "flip a switch" on some of the constructs that would change their internal stabilization matrix from the Plan B back to the default flesh. And those flesh versions were easier to whisper.

[@chasegetson1125]

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[@ugthankikebab]

So much convoluted bullshit both from blizzard and the content creator to make this steaming pile of shit

[@tylermcnally8232]

Someone so angry over nothing..... girls not liking your pee pee size?

[@Fleshbag453]

Frankly, after how disney has done so much multiverse crap I'm just sick of the idea of multiverses and alternate timelines and such. Maybe blizzard will do it better but who really knows?