Why UK Surgeons are NOT "Doctors" I 30 Second Facts I

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[@Mary-stephen]

I would loose it if after 12yrs of studying, exams and training I am called Mr/Miss😂.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Surgeons find it a privilege honestly 😊

[@sabasiddiqui429]

​@@DrEzgiOzcan Really? Why is that so?!

[@roxy4046]

@@sabasiddiqui429 Because it is viewed as a ”higher” position than a regular doctor.

[@asuezeigwe9381]

​@@roxy4046hian

[@oki__]

@@roxy4046 Mr/miss isn’t a higher position overall tho

[@nabilatahseen9126]

Wow I'm a children's doctor in the NHS and didn't know this until now. Great info. Please carry on doing the series.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Thank you!

[@xavihernandes8262]

Can you help me? I wanna ask some questions related to medicine.

[@gillianstewart8442]

Actually the very first surgeons were barbers as they were able to use instruments for cutting. Thats's why you sometimes see the old fashioned red and white tubular signs outside their windows.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

that I didnt know! interesting thanks! :)

[@jackyjack9660]

Wtf.. That's incorrect... First surgeons were doctors itself..

[@Coffee_Is_Life_2010]

no, that is correct.the first surgeons were in medieval times, because there was no anaesthetic or heart rhythms known, all you needed was knowledge of anatomy (no medical knowledge) and since medieval knowledge of anatomy was not as complex as it is today, barbers could learn it and they already had cutting instruments. People thought that the more blood a barber/surgeon had on there coat, the better they were because they were apparently more experienced, that’s why the white coat emerged, but little did they know, blood carried with it infection risk.

[@laratheplanespotter]

Butchers too!

[@larissa_7729]

Surgeons in the US would lose it if we called them MR/Mrs/Miss

[@tabasumbashir4434]

Honestly- it's kinda infuriating lol

[@johnlemma401]

Yeah lol that would hurt their narcissistic ego

[@roxy4046]

@@tabasumbashir4434 No, it really isnt.

[@LevelUP84]

@@johnlemma401 it’s not narcissistic, they worked hard for it.

[@artspooner]

Conversely in the UK (but actually similar in a way), a UK surgeon would get annoyed if another healthcare professional called them Dr as they have 'earned' the Mr/Miss/Ms title (as if it's different from they starting title. For them, it's like it's one up from being a doctor). Obviously this is a generalisation but the point still stands.

[@lilacspring2556]

I like these educational shorts, really informative

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Thank you 😊 I’m thinking of making it a series

[@piero17y65]

Lol they should make it optional because I am sure that many would prefer the prefix of Dr. over Mr.😅 especially when they have completed all the necessary studies and courses 👍

[@RB747domme]

Actually, and strangely, you're NOT correct. Most would be horrified to be addressed as 'Dr'. There exists a kind of reverse snobbery in UK medical circles, regarding this. This is because it is viewed as a kind of badge of honour to make it through the simple 'Dr' stage - as in general dogsbody doctor in ER, or doctor in a hospital putting cannulas in, or treating someone who has a wart.. Surgeons have done a minimum of 9 years of postgraduate surgical training - and that's AFTER completing the 5 years medical school - and that's usually, at the Royal College of Surgeons, or at a university hospital that is related to their chosen speciality. So they are conferred the title of 'Mr/Miss/Ms Consultant Surgeon' and are VERY senior and top dog on the ward. In terms of the respect conferred with the title 'Mr' , in the UK, they feel that it separates them from the general Dr, of which there are thousands - and puts them in an elite class, of which there are only a handful in a hospital dept. Think of it as a bit of reverse snobbery. They like that. It becomes a badge of honour. So, it would be like addressing - 'Mr Andrew Forbes Hamilton MD (Oxon) FRCP FRSC PhD Professor of Urology, Consultant Surgeon in Urology, Lead Research Fellow In Rare Cancers, Oxford University Hospital'. He might choose to be addressed as 'Professor Andrew.. etc.' But my point stands. So, you can see, and use your intelligence, to know that he is extremely well qualified and respected.. And at the same time you are not worrying about whether the person is going to do a good job operating on you. The 'MD' told you that they have spent 4-years at medical school, plus 2 Foundation Years in a hospital dept. And then, during the next 7 years he had elected to enrol in the Royal College of Surgery, and then trained/studied during his time as a resident at the hospital, whilst studying lectures and exams at the university. After 3-years, he became a qualified Surgical Baccalaureate, he went on to gain confidence by completing his training by doing 2 Foundation Years as a practicing Surgical Intern under the watchful eye of other consultant surgeons, before finally getting his Surgical wings as a fully qualified Surgical Registrar performing general surgery unsupervised for 2 further years. After 9 long years, if there is a position available, anywhere in the country, they are able to apply for a Consultant Surgeon's position, and finally be able to drop the 'Dr.' from his name and elevate himself to 'Mr.' So, that's 14 years training in all, to become a consultant surgeon. That's the journey that they go on..

[@LevelUP84]

I would not want to be called Miss after all that studying and I’m in the U.K. and intend on studying medicine. It should be optional.

[@TM-it5oe]

Nice bit of information. Although I did know surgeons in UK are referred with title of Mr/Ms but was unaware of the reasoning behind this.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Glad you thought so!

[@rajkidesh]

The training of surgeons until the mid-19th century was different. They did not have to go to university to gain a degree; instead they usually served as an apprentice to a surgeon. Afterwards they took an examination. In London, after 1745, this was conducted by the Surgeons' Company and after 1800 by The Royal College of Surgeons. If successful they were awarded a diploma, not a degree, therefore they were unable to call themselves 'Doctor', and stayed instead with the title 'Mr'. Outside London and in the largest cities, the surgeon served as an apprentice like many other tradesmen, but did not necessarily take any examination. Today all medical practitioners, whether physicians or surgeons have to undertake training at medical school to obtain a qualifying degree. Thereafter a further period of postgraduate study and training through junior posts is required before full consultant surgeon status is achieved. Thus the tradition of a surgeon being referred to as Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs has continued, meaning that in effect a person starts as Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs, becomes a Dr and then goes back to being a Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs again :)

[@HarkaranSranAccountant]

Lovely video😊👍🏻

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Thank you 😊

[@sifatzereenkhan1791]

There is a different explanation by surgical royal Colleges though, when we become a member or fellow of one of the royal colleges we can drop the doctor cause membership or fellowship in a Royal College is good enough to refer one as doctor and surgeon. I bet any surgeon take it as offense to be called Mr/Miss in UK.

[@MrsV18]

I actually like this. I live in America and our doctors are so fucking entitled and stuck up due to their title, they don't give a shit about living up to it or being worthy of it anymore.

[@jayj5292]

I also read somewhere that doctors during this time did not want to title qualified apprentice (after their training) with the ‘Dr’ title due to a status problem, then any surgeon who took a higher education route during that time did not adopt the “Dr” title as a homage to those who were unable to obtain the title from the upper class educated doctors and surgeons, this tradition then carried on

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Not heard of that before. Possibly 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@anupshrestha3032]

You couldnot stop blinking in ur youtube vids and me forgot to blink watching u in ur vids😍😜💀

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

😂😂 I’m still not totally comfortable with the camera that’s why 😆

[@anupshrestha3032]

@@DrEzgiOzcan U look cute just the way u blink😊🤩😜

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

♥️♥️

[@anupshrestha3032]

U actually look more like middle eastern or indian than british. Are u related anyway with them🤔😜

[@MoBa-cy7pr]

The moments I decided to study a medical specialty instead of a surgical one😂

[@LevelUP84]

Culturally they may drop the Dr title, but they are still doctors and still retain their status as a doctor, many also keep the Dr tittle as it’s never really dropped in actuality.

[@aishwaryaug9351]

You are so pretty!! At first I was busy looking at you. And then I had to rewatch the vedio again to hear what u said😂

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

That’s so sweet of you to say! Thank you 😊

[@marionettekent]

I am more curious why medical doctors are called "doctor" in English. We sometimes jokingly say we are the real doctors between colleagues (I work in research so at least 2/3 of my colleagues are PhDs, and of course there are clinicians with PhD in the mix as well, and there are clinicians doing PhD or without a PhD working there), but was PhD called doctor first or was medical doctor called doctor first? And were the titles developed in parallel of each other?

[@ugetsu2093]

In Australia male surgeons are titled Mister, but female surgeons keep ‘Doctor’. They prefer that to ‘Mrs’. I think both titles are inadequate. Maybe they should opt for ‘Maestro’ & ‘Maestra’ like orchestra conductors.

[@superman-wq9ij]

A lot of surgical equipment was developed in the middle east still being used today.

[@YES-nn1rg]

How long does it take to be a surgeon in uk after high school

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

At least 9 years from graduating from medical school

[@kotanavaneetham1479]

Nice video ❤

[@aminakhalid2197]

im a student and im craving for studying mbbs books struggling so hard😐 those scrubs are my fav its took my 3 years am still struggling to get desirable marks to get admission in mefical college

[@teeganconroy9608]

Hi, I really love and enjoy watching your videos and your daughter is really cute, I live in the uk and was wondering if you could offer me some advise on some ongoing health symptoms issues.... firstly I have ongoing deep painful point tenderness in the area of large intestine/appendix on the right quadrant abdomen between navel and hip, been ongoing since a few weeks ago when it originally started as sudden generalised pain across mid lower abdomen and finally ended up on the right mid lower quadrant abdomen where is was intermittently intense sharp pain then after a few days it went to a dull discomfort and a continuous deep ache with random pains in the area, throughout that time i noticed nausea, reduced appetite, losser stools, large excess of urine, I still have the ongoing persistant deep intense tenderness in the area, but the other symptoms have gone. Secondly I injured my knee a just over a year ago and I have ongoing pain, originally the injury was a big blow hit on a corner edge of a oven door and went into the side centre of my knee, it was really extremely painful and couldn't bear weight or walk on it then a few days to week later the was considerable large dark bruise surrounding area and still had severe pain and it felt like there was something loose moving in the knee was really painful then went gp/a&e got xray came back clear but said if I continue with pain I sould get a mri done, sine then my knee hasnt felt right and still experiencing joint pain and bad severe intense sudden sharp/ dull discomfort pains and deep dull constant aching, wieght baring/ pressure is painful , resting pain, trouble sleeping/woken up at night pain and some tenderness, the area is deep inside and on the inner side of knee and nothing has helped. I will be getting checked out at some point but do need advise on what they could be, I am 24 years old female.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Hi Teegan thank you for your message and support on my channel. Unfortunately I am unable to give medical advice over social media. As you’d appreciate it’s not right to diagnose and advice someone without seeing them. It’s best you speak to your physician about your concerns

[@mu6qy]

Possibly a silly question but do Surgeons sometimes work the floor on an A&E ?

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

No silly questions at all. What do you mean by working the floor? You mean working in a&e?

[@mu6qy]

@DrEzgiOzcan yeah, think what I mean is when patients come in with a serious injury are Surgeons readily present to attend to them eg working an A&E shift or are they called out of jobs that they might be doing eg planned operations.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

They work closely with a&e but don’t work in a&e if that makes sense. The a&e team will see a patient and refer to the surgical team is required. Also if a GP sees a patient in clinic and thinks they need to see a surgeon they will refer directly to the surgeons so the patient will be seen by the surgical team and not a&e. The surgeons who see new patients are called “on call” doctors and they are a separate team to those carrying out routine surgeries. Hope that makes some sense

[@mu6qy]

@DrEzgiOzcan Yeah, that answers it perfectly. Thanks

[@subhmaypatra5562]

Ridiculous, surgeons must possess the right to carry the title of Dr.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

They do have the option of keeping the doctor title. Most surgeons are honoured to be referred to as Mr, Mrs or Miss

[@subhmaypatra5562]

@@DrEzgiOzcan Oh! I didn't know Sorry 😊🙏🏻

[@Andrea-ik6bf]

Which colleges are the easiest to get into in the UK...like not the most prestigious ones..I'm doing a bit of research and theres just too much information....it would be of great help..♥️♥️

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

The answer to that question is quite complex. It’s best to look at the ranking tables for the universities and look at the subsequent competition ratios to get an idea of ease of getting a place

[@Andrea-ik6bf]

@@DrEzgiOzcan alright sure I'll do that thank you so much...keep doing what you do..its great!!💕

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Thank you 😊

[@irenedavo3768]

I have questions about Complaints re NHS Consultants

[@DewanandDewanand-qe5yl]

I want to know do we really want science background to be surgeon in UK Please 🙏 help

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

You need a medical degree to become a surgeon and for that you need a science background usually

[@DewanandDewanand-qe5yl]

@@DrEzgiOzcan if anyone who don't have secience in 11 and 12 th and graduation what she or he can do to be doctor in uk or foreign country

[@Ony4145]

Can a surgeon have private chamber practice in the uk ? and what if i preferred to be called doctor in a hospital?

[@raywhatsthisfor1283]

Interesting...thanks for the video!!

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Thanks for watching!

[@maurya03]

Doc, Is there any job opportunities for imgs to work in uk after plab ??

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

There are plenty once you get your GMC registration

[@maurya03]

​@@DrEzgiOzcanoh okay thanks for ur response doc

[@user-wk4zq8bj1n]

Hlo I'm currently pursuing my mbbs from India Is US safe for Indians ???

[@NinjaNursing]

Which college

[@user-wk4zq8bj1n]

@@NinjaNursing AIIMS RISHIKESH

[@FetDiB]

Hell no!! I would really be kicking and screaming if that ever happened😂 I actually dropped out of thoracic surgery because it was just too much and after that hell they have the audacity to take away my title??? Hell no

[@singhsurinder295]

Hlw mam I am dental assistant from India I want job in uk please help me mam it's request

[@wolfwalls4549]

They must now get ch. Title at least. Like Ch.Strange. Ch:- for chirurgeon

[@anthony64632]

Wish there are captions for the deaf !

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

If you click the three dots it’ll give you the option of turning on captions 😊

[@imtaizgulf7502]

I like the education

[@doc_vader2776]

Goes back to the time when Barbers where Surgeons in the UK.

[@adannew1831]

Very interesting fact.I always wondered why they weren't called Doctors.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

something new for the pub quiz if it ever gets asked :)

[@tristanelliott9545]

Do you HAVE to drop it?

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Not if you don’t want to buy many do

[@smitat6612]

thats actually sad,becsuse they are more than qualified to be called doctors.

[@tatienouorest3358]

I dare anyone to drop the ‘Dr’ in my presence You think 8 years medical school wasn’t enough?

[@Bwolf1]

I don’t care what people say if you're a heart surgeon fixing my mitral valve for example, then I’m concentrating you a doctor anywhere on the planet.

[@AritraMaitra]

Peculiar custom in peculiar country 😂

[@WaseemAhmad-so1xr]

Bitter reality😂😂

[@dr.amritasharmashorts]

Good info. You are very pretty. Can't help but notice you have a DNS 😅 but that just me. Good going lovely 👏

[@ikr2377]

Your soo beutiful and intelligent

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

thank you :)

[@mudasirislam3065]

I want to learn

[@piero17y65]

Are you ethnically an Indian?

[@shamanaz1106]

Have you need online worker

[@osaidhayat0807]

Does it mean that a surgeon can't be called DR. XYZ they will be call Mr. XYZ ?

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

They can still be called doctor if they wish but they actually look forward to being called Mr or Miss/Mrs once they qualify as a surgeon

[@osaidhayat0807]

@@DrEzgiOzcan ohh!!, Thanks

[@SunghoonsPeYboRiTe7]

I'm sorry but I really wany to be a surgeon, and if I'm called Miss/Mrs instead of Dr ill lose it cuz like cmon give me the title I worked for

[@shakesbakes8430]

In a hospital would they still call you doctor?

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

yes you will still be known as a doctor but referred to as Mr or Mrs

[@kohabro7720]

Well that is anticlimactic

[@Pearlsena]

Yeah that’s true

[@bristipain9757]

Are you indian/ citizen of uk

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

I'm Turkish

[@bristipain9757]

@@DrEzgiOzcan oh..you look like indian ...❤️

[@NataliaGlebocka]

There should just be a surgeon prefix

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Yh could be. What would it be 🤔

[@godisable3290]

Hello Mister

[@oubi9779]

I don’t know how I feel about this. It feel a bit under appreciative tbh 😅

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

It’s all for bants 😊

[@drzainabdeen4090]

What 😢

[@bobbyrobinmaisa437]

💯💗💗

[@surgerykiduniya2935]

Nice vedio

[@damla2411]

👍

[@leya01]

Comments are so funny cuz acc surgeons love being called mr/miss etc cuz it’s a symbol of them getting through the surgery rat race

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Yes! Surgeons love the transition from being called doctor to 'mr' or 'ms'

[@shubhankarpathak1786]

so for that reason i m out

[@IASLIFE-123]

Hello ma'am

[@hatog931]

How are you

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Good thanks 😊 hope you’re well too

[@bobbythomas5357]

Pretty woman.

[@AR-jw3ve]

Very ..bad medical facilities. Patient have to wait so long for his reports and after that also they are not sure .again take appointments and then the will take test .......they are not serious about patient .....very bad facilities. Other countries are very advance and fast

[@moonshineall4152]

That’s weird

[@Doc_Jamilahmed]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@veverizza2016]

This is really silly to follow all those stupid traditions

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Jakas-qt6hj]

Sounds all Political

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

More historical than anything

[@lucapasquini953]

I do think she means the academic title "Dr. not the medical doctor. A surgeon is a MEDICAL doctor. In the UK an MD is a Ph'd in the medical field. Let me explain. In the UK doctors won't be called Dr. XXX if u become a doctor. Bc u ain't one. Ur e a medical doctor but not a doctor. In Switzerland ur'e a doctor(arzt in german) but u can't call yourself a Doctor cuz u first gotta go in research for 1 year. and then u eventually get to call yourself a Doctor. an MD and Doctor is different. Doctor is an academic title. An MD is the title of a profession. American MD's wouldn't be alowed to call themselfs Dr. XXX in Switzerland etc. cuz it's they got no Ph'd

[@LevelUP84]

Your talking nonsense.

[@drss997]

I would like to know why medical doctors call themselves Dr Smith for example, when it’s just a job not a title. I have a Phd and the title doctor was given to me. Medical doctors are not given a title, rather it’s a vocation. You wouldn’t call a teacher or social worker, “teacher smith” or “ social worker smith” so why do medical doctors say “Doctor Smith”. I have always thought it was strange. I’m not being disrespectful but just wanted to find out. Thanks

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

My understanding is that the title is an academic title again going back in history - physicians were required to have medical degrees making them doctors of medicine. Which is different from gaining the title from a doctoral level degree. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@subhmaypatra5562]

They are given the title of "Doctor of Medicine"

[@smnkhati8289]

Become more humble

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

What do you mean?

[@smnkhati8289]

@@DrEzgiOzcan In some conversation, if one says, I'm Dr. X and another one says I'm X and a doctor. It seems second one is more humble.

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Not sure how it relates to the video. You mean surgeons become more humble?

[@trendy184]

@@smnkhati8289 I disagree. We work bloody hard with years of sacrifice. So owning the Dr title shouldn't mean one is less humble!

[@DrEzgiOzcan]

Agreed