Why Uncle Ben Matters (MCU and Spectacular Spider-Man)

[@criticalrants]

No spoilers, but I genuinely loved No Way Home. I wasn't expecting to love this movie, but I did. I hope you guys do, too.

[@zodiac8929]

almost like they watched this video and fixed the problem

[@shaifs5072]

@@zodiac8929 they seemed to address many criticisms of the MCU Spider-Man. I'm honestly surprised.

[@SpectacularSpidey670]

Why Aunt May matters now lmao

[@tender0828]

I love how the MCU trilogy we got was essentially his entire origin story.

[@alhazxn]

The ending of no way home gives me sense of nostalgia. "This is the peter and spiderman that we all love" is written on everyones faces!

[@RadinV1]

I don't mind the idea of Tony being a mentor, but no one should take uncle Ben's place as his main driving force.

[@criticalrants]

Yeah and I do think it's weird that Cap wasn't really a mentor to Peter at all... like I feel like Cap's and Peter's ideologies line up much better than Tony's and Peter's, but as you put it, the problem isn't who the mentor is, but the fact that that mentor serves as Peter's motivation

[@RadinV1]

@@criticalrants oh yeah I forgot to say that, Cap and Peter's relationship was a massive waste of potential. I think they had one short exchange in Civil war and then nothing.

[@criticalrants]

@@RadinV1 Yeah! While that exchange is pretty cute, it's a little weird to me that Peter is just totally cool with fighting Captain America. Like I feel like he should at least question his role in all this when he finds himself at odds with Cap, but... whatever. As a whole, I still really like Peter's characterization in Civil War, but that detail really irks me.

[@Gundam_JAY]

Yeah I agree

[@Spiral-Mark]

My interpertation for MCU Spider-Man is that Peter views Tony Stark not a replacement for Uncle Ben but as a stand-in for him. Peter sees some of the Uncle Ben in Tony as if he never left. While Tony himself isn't perfect compared to Uncle Ben, he is basically testing Peter in order to be better even if it is harsh but Peter's idolization for Tony gets in the way of his maturity.

[@mrguardwill45]

I don't remember where I read this sentence, but I think it summarizes the quintessential nature of his stories and character adequately: "For all his triumphs and the good he does, at the end of the day, when the mask comes off, Peter is the one who never truly wins."

[@dushaunlewis7574]

Exactly. That is who Stan Lee wanted teenager Spider-man to be. A guy who has to either finish his homework and get a chance to enter university, or spend the night saving lives. A guy who struggles to decide whether he should spend his weekly allowance on parts for web-shooters, lunch, or to pay the bills. A guy who works for a boss who disrespects him as both Peter and Spider-man. A guy who does not get the girl, and loses his closest friends. Spider-man is clearly bad for Peter's life, but he keeps being him because of what Ben Parker taught him. Peter's personal sacrifice allows Spider-man to save lives, and he knows it is worth it.

[@IronLegionnaire1]

@@dushaunlewis7574 and we all love him because of his unrelenting feeling of responsibility

[@chriss.249]

I think that's a quote from Kaptainkristian(he made a video on spidey called "Spiderman: the lessons of heroism") but it's on Igns channel instead of his own

[@lapislazoli]

and in some shows and games it says despite all those things he still does his best and is still happy

[@theguywhoasked2352]

Dushaun Lewis so the main idea of the story is: Do what’s right, even if it won’t be easy.

[@underuined7172]

"Every person out there means the *world* to somebody. And Spidey's out there risking his neck for *all* of 'em. Their best friends. Their husbands. Their girlfriends. Their moms. Their uncles." - The Amazing Spider-Man (2015) #801

[@hypersonx7284]

and yet the mcu peter would rather go on a date with MJ then fight crime

[@MOMOFCJ6]

@@hypersonx7284 he has a life

[@hypersonx7284]

@@MOMOFCJ6 but he's putting himself before others, spidey legit said in the ps1 game "look being spiderman has given me a lot, and taken a lot, but one thing will never change. My responsibility to put others before myself no matter what the cost." But Peter Is putting himself above others and doesn't even care about the people he has to protect

[@MOMOFCJ6]

@@hypersonx7284 we will see him grow in far from home

[@hypersonx7284]

@@MOMOFCJ6 you mean homeworlds?

[@photosbypeterparker8880]

He has it easy so Ned knows he’s Spider-Man so he’s never pissed at Peter,MJ knows he’s spider-man so she doesn’t get pissed at him and last but not least,Aunt May knows he’s Spider-Man so she’s never worried about him which is one of the biggest problems

[@bloodfinity]

Agreed

[@robl0xgamer258]

You sure about that bud?

[@bloodfinity]

@@robl0xgamer258 well it is a problem

[@robl0xgamer258]

@@bloodfinity i feel like people only look toward the negative parts of homecoming, he does have consequences through the movie

[@bloodfinity]

@@robl0xgamer258 there are but they don't get focused that much except the vulture ending

[@Kira_Official_]

I think the main problem with this discussion is that, for some reason, people seem to think we want to see Uncle Ben die again. We don't. We've seen it enough. What we want to see is how his death truly impacts him. All it takes is a mention of the guy and how that affects Peter's choice's. I feel like Homecoming kinda tried to insinuate that with the whole "Just looking out for the little guy." Line, but it doesn't have the same affect. We don't need the "with great power" line, but just something from the man that is supposed to help push Peter to keep saving people.

[@criticalrants]

I totally agree! This is a really good way of putting it.

[@spaghettientree9852]

Totally agree that all it takes is the implication of Ben’s death and that influencing Peter’s every decision, but I don’t really see what’s so bad about the “great power” line and why everybody seems so aggressively opposed to it.

[@bystander.4620]

that "great power" line really hits hard after no way home

[@MBrix-up2wi]

@@bystander.4620 yeah, it does. And it basically knocks down every criticism Jon Watts faced for not including Uncle Ben.

[@nanand.r]

@@bystander.4620 fr.. it even use the original quote from comics 😭

[@JoelsCreed141]

The fact that they imply that Tony meant more to Peter than Ben ever did is insulting to the character of Spider-Man

[@pines3326]

Sure Tony has given Peter tech and a parental figure but it was Ben that taught him the famous quote and what drove Peter to be good. Ben was Peter's Thomas and Martha Wayne and replacing that with Tony dying in Endgame made me feel like MCU Spiderman is a totally different Spiderman than any other version which just isn't for me

[@JoelsCreed141]

@@pines3326 and even after Tony dies it doesn’t drive him forward to being Spider-Man, in the next movie he doesn’t wanna be a hero he just wants to go on vacation, it’s not at all what Peter would’ve done

[@silverblade357]

The second Tony dismissed Vulture as being "below his pay grade", every comic or cartoon version of Peter Parker would have been disgusted and disillusioned. The student/mentor dynamic always falls apart in the comics because Peter is an objectively better person than Tony. Tony can explain all the cold logic and rationale behind not getting involved, but Peter would only be focused on people being put in danger while he does nothing. Tony didn't even care until Vulture was stealing his property.

[@bluehero-96]

@@JoelsCreed141 To be fair, vacation would be on Peter's mind. He's considered quitting Spider-man many times, but never does, because he has Uncle Ben's memory to keep him straight and narrow.

[@응가바보-j7k]

Well, someone did point out something interesting in an earlier clip. They stated "Basing on the rumors of Garfield and Maguire being in Spider-Man 3, I thought in one way on how they can fix this Uncle Ben situation: Yes, MCU peter had uncle ben and he died, which made Peter become Spidey. However, maybe in the MCU version, he and Uncle Ben hadn't a strong relationship and/or didn't have a direct blood connection. That makes Peter sorry and responsible for UB dying and, consequently, becoming SM - but it didn't have the impact it had in other versions of Peter. Then Spider-Man 3 comes out and we get to see the previous live-action peters. Throughout the movie, Peter understands the responsibilities of being Spiderman by looking at how AG and TM act as Spidey's. At the end of the movie, MCU peter learns the famous spiderman sentence (With great powers, comes great responsibilities) and, after the villain loses/dies and the other Spideys go away, Peter is a new Spiderman, one that, after so long having the mantle, now finally understands his responsibilities as Spiderman (this could appear on screen like a situation of Peter starting to ignore some crime happening close to him, but quickly going to action to be the friendly neighbor)." - Pedro Maragon

[@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778]

it turns out that the homecoming trilogy was actually just the uncle ben incident but extended into multiple movies lol. I loved no way home and it made me love tom holland so much more, this was tom holland spiderman's origin story.

[@netizen6958]

That's just an excuse. Origin story is a story of how one put on their costume and be a hero. Those 3 movies is so all over the place in terms of story and character motivation.

[@radityapoerwanto7018]

Well, your definition of Origin is quite narrow. In my opinion, before no way home peter is more of a spiderboy rather than a spiderman. Now, we got the spiderman we have been waiting for.

[@shubb-niggurath]

The only time Uncle Ben was mentioned in No way home was from both Toby and Andrew when they mentioned their Uncle Ben… Where’s as with Tom it was Aunt May who told me about “With great power comes great responsibility”

[@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778]

@@shubb-niggurath um clearly u miss read my comment like mad. My comment has nothing to do with uncle Ben being mentioned a certain amount of times. My comment was more of a comparison

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

⁠@@radityapoerwanto7018 which makes no sense. Peter is Spider-Man since day 1, not Spider-Boy. He’s not supposed to be a sidekick. That’s like the biggest part of his conception, to challenge teenage superheroes being sidekicks. It shouldn’t take 3 movies to get the Spider-Man we’ve been waiting for when we already had that Spider-Man in Civil War. That is character regression in the worst way possible and it makes no sense. YOU are the one with the narrow view point.

[@bobbybrown2291]

If they mentioned Uncle Ben now, it'd be too little too late.

[@anjinialie8144]

They can’t it’s already way to late

[@porassrivastava8242]

Yeah it'd feel jarring now. Imagine in spider-man 3 Peter says: I lost someone close to me. Everyone would think it's iron man lol

[@anjinialie8144]

Yea true

[@bobbybrown2291]

@@porassrivastava8242 they totally would, Marvel really screwed up Spider-Man and there's no way to fix it.

[@bobbybrown2291]

@@anjinialie8144 It's way too late now with all of the Spider-Verse rumors.

[@TGM_Productions]

Man, I miss spectacular Spider-Man-

[@criticalrants]

Like a fool, I’m still holding out hope that it gets revived, as unlikely as that is

[@TGM_Productions]

I really hope, It’s revived... also great video-

[@criticalrants]

@@TGM_Productions Thank you!

[@TGM_Productions]

Np. :>

[@bobbybrown2291]

Hey, I found a website called "Topcartoons.tv" Spectacular Spider-Man is on there, both seasons.

[@Zero2HeroX]

SPOILERS: Spidey fans: peter needs to loose someone important to him to re-evalute his actions and decisions! Aunt may: fine. I'll do it myself.

[@Marsh388]

It’s interesting how the MCU thinks the mere MENTION of Ben Parker means rehashing the origin. The FIRST episode of Spectacular, Peter says “I can’t let Harry lose his dad the way I lost Uncle Ben”. No origin required (until way later) In the MCU it’s pretty much “don’t ever mention the B word”, which makes people wonder if he ever existed. Maybe in that continuity May was never married...

[@gama103]

They think doing anything else that the other movies already did would be rehashing the origin. It was how they promoted the first movie in interviews. And it sucks because they forget about core elements about the character like uncle Ben just because they don't want to do what the other movies already did

[@Protosilver97]

No Way Home feeds this idea of Ben never existing while still fixing Spider-Man.

[@gogogokuro204]

@@Protosilver97 we will see if uncle ben exist since they are making an animated origin story for peter

[@Sally_the_Cat]

@@gogogokuro204Source?

[@Nyghtmare6380]

The MCU version takes so much from Miles Morales and it makes him feel off

[@thetypingavocado574]

like seriously, why didn't they just make Spider-Man, Miles Morales instead...

[@thetypingavocado574]

@@Storm-C137 true, but if marvel wanted to do a different spider-man, you could've just done Miles Morales... this MCU Spidey mostly aligns with Miles's character more than Peter's character.

[@thetypingavocado574]

@@Storm-C137 true... but if the MCU were going to do miles, what would make Peter and Miles stand out from each other besides race? That's why if you're going to do Peter Parker, do him right... and make him feel like that icon. That's what Tobey did for the live-action Spider-Man!

[@HeliosThor64]

@@thetypingavocado574 They're not going to use Miles Morales as a way to introduce Spider-Man to the MCU. That's like introducing Wolverine, but instead of using Logan, you use Akihiro or Laura Kinney.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@thetypingavocado574 Tobey wasn’t a good Spider-Man but great in good Spider-Man films don’t @me

[@thedarknazo]

in the MCU being spiderman is a blessing for peter, in good adaptations is a burden

[@soupple]

woah. thats some real shit right there

[@thedarknazo]

@Connor Blackbird you already can understand its themes by simply looking at the individual components

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

It’s still a burden... did you watch the movie or go watch hitop (shit ass channel btw thinking raimi is the next citizen Kane LMAO what a nostalgic fool)

[@novafan3]

@Connor Blackbird it’s been two movies bro where’s the quality

[@underuined7172]

@Connor Blackbird imagine saying people don't have brain cells because they don't share the same opinions as yours sad

[@ChannelPup]

One of the best video essays on this subject. Good job!

[@criticalrants]

Thank you so much!

[@SonnyShines]

Hey Pup!

[@tomix4694]

This is why i don't love mcu Peter. He's like 15/16, so that means Ben's death happened wasn't so long ago. Yet he never shows that he's sad, beacuse the person, that was like a father for him died beacuse of him. But he's really sad, beacuse the guy that gave him suit and didn't really cared about him at the beggining died.

[@bluehero-96]

People would counter argue that "they don't need to see Uncle Ben dying again", but they forget that it's the consequences of Uncle Ben's death that should always be on display. That's what is missing from the MCU. Even Miles had an Uncle Ben scenario through his own self imposed guilt over not helping his own universe's Peter Parker.

[@응가바보-j7k]

Well, someone did point out something interesting in an earlier clip. They stated "Basing on the rumors of Garfield and Maguire being in Spider-Man 3, I thought in one way on how they can fix this Uncle Ben situation: Yes, MCU peter had uncle ben and he died, which made Peter become Spidey. However, maybe in the MCU version, he and Uncle Ben hadn't a strong relationship and/or didn't have a direct blood connection. That makes Peter sorry and responsible for UB dying and, consequently, becoming SM - but it didn't have the impact it had in other versions of Peter. Then Spider-Man 3 comes out and we get to see the previous live-action peters. Throughout the movie, Peter understands the responsibilities of being Spiderman by looking at how AG and TM act as Spidey's. At the end of the movie, MCU peter learns the famous spiderman sentence (With great powers, comes great responsibilities) and, after the villain loses/dies and the other Spideys go away, Peter is a new Spiderman, one that, after so long having the mantle, now finally understands his responsibilities as Spiderman (this could appear on screen like a situation of Peter starting to ignore some crime happening close to him, but quickly going to action to be the friendly neighbor)." - Pedro Maragon

[@knucklessammich3875]

@@bluehero-96 it's only one most like the version of Spider-Man recent memory is the PS4 version and the most common compliments it got was 1. he's older and going to the consequences of living through life as a adult and being Spider-Man 2.they don't even mention his origin story well they do but they don't make a whole deal of it matter of fact you don't even see Uncle Ben's grave if you either a complete the story mode or you go to the graveyard itself and pay your respectsin

[@MultiFirelover]

@@bluehero-96 spectacular SPIDER-MAN showed us how to do this. What is the MCUs excuse for the writing being so mediocre and having the MCU Peter Parker act like Miles Morales circa 2011

[@adaptivegamer9905]

And Aunt May just starts dating Happy like she never even grieved uncle Ben

[@cjgaming9394]

the spectacular spider-man was the best interpretation of Spider-man ever in my opinion

[@sugaryheaven4089]

If only it wasn't cancelled 😭

[@Abe-Lau]

this and spider-man ps4

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Both this and ps4, and miles Im pretty sure they did more of a favour for them than any other movie can

[@Aswar211]

Don't forget spider-verse. Even if miles was the protagonist, it did a fantastic job representing og spiderman and peter with peter B parker.

[@muhammaddaffa7026]

After playing spider-man miles morales, i kind of realized that the mcu version of peter parker is really based off miles morales. The mentor figure for peter in becoming a hero in tony stark as opposed to miles using peter as his mentor figure in the game, the best friend in a form of Ned and Ganke that basically supports him from a far, how secret identity isn't really the main focus of miles story the same with peter of MCU so far at least. If you think about it the character almost the same and the story too between spider man miles morales and homecoming

[@lovepreetsingh7549]

Yeah but Miles at least shows that he understand the risk of how turning a blind eye can show, he could've turned a blind eye to the Underground, but he didn't, he knows he's responsible for his city with his powers, while MCU Peter didn't.

[@CIements]

@@lovepreetsingh7549 What is that based on? MCU Spidey is always swinging in to help.

[@spider-man8455]

@@lovepreetsingh7549 when did the MCU Spider-man turned a blind eye ?

[@spider-man8455]

@Lakeway indeed

[@kawaki4441]

This is an objective fact. MCU Peter Parker always seemed off to me because he is a different character. They stripped him of everything that made Spiderman such an iconic character. Civil War captured essence of the character really well, but later movies dropped the ball.

[@joehicks929]

its an objective fact that he felt off to you, thats a weird way to phrase that lol, just say that you dislike mcu spiderman

[@brandonmejia5452]

How bout now

[@TheEmeraldCreeper]

@@joehicks929 I bet he only saw No Way Home for Toby and Andrew . . .people like him give me that feeling

[@dragazoidyt4464]

@@brandonmejia5452 nah

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@joehicks929 he’s not Spider-Man and that’s an objective fact. Simple as that.

[@Gulmanzo66]

After watching no way home I can say with satisfaction that Sony finally put his character on the right path

[@banano2210]

i cant wait for the next trilogy

[@FRISHR]

"With great power, comes great alcoholism." -Uncle Tony

[@enigmaticbeing7703]

ha lol uncle tony stank mcu is a joke

[@SeaBucket1]

SPOILERS BELOW This gets solved with the death of aunt may in no way home. I know it doesn’t happen the same way as other adaptations but I think it works well, and makes him the friendly neighborhood spiderman that we all know and love, and not some intergalactic warlord who got everything handed to him.

[@benf2682]

Potential spoiler . . . . . I think the tobey and andrew also played a part in him reaching his true spidey self too when they explained their losses.

[@jonahhumfleet472]

@@benf2682 Not a spoiler I think your right

[@charliesnark6535]

Yep, I agree. I think (and hope) that MCU Spiderman is going to start becoming more independent and actually face consequences

[@sierotkamarysia4199]

Honestly, if they already decided to make Tony Stark important person for him and his mentor, his death should have been "Uncle Ben death" moment. Killing his aunt is useless blow. What will that change? Make him even more miserable, loosing people he loves left and right?

[@bloodknightazodrac9224]

It took 3 movies + civilwar & infinitywar & endgame to be somewhat resemble the core aspects of spiderman? Pshsh :/ I'm just disappointed

[@joshuadesousa6668]

I always looked at it that Stark’s death was a trigger that amplified the grief he had for Uncle Ben, both men he could not save

[@elderscrollslad3062]

He could of saved Ben though, thats the entire point of the story

[@giovanniluke3882]

It was Tony's choice though to die, Peter couldn't stop him if he wanted to

[@chap3509]

"I'm assuming in the next movie Peter will be on the run" Matt Murdock: I'm a really good lawyer

[@mr.spring-miser3034]

You absolutely knocked it out of the ball park with this one, no wonder something felt off, I really hope Peter relearns the meaning of "With great power comes great Responsibility.", I think that'd be an awesome character arc for our web head, even if it's throughout the course of a few movies, but hey only time will tell. Btw, love The content my guy!

[@criticalrants]

Thank you so much!

[@brayden2254]

Maybe Tobey's Spider-Man can remind him of that in Spider-Man 3.

[@omarllamas5378]

After nwh I think this message has come across loud and clear for him. So I’m excited to see what happened next with toms Peter

[@NotYurAverageJoe]

“I never asked to be Noodley Arm Man... I never asked for these powers!” Nice job man. Been waiting for someone to show this Spectacular series the respect it deserves.

[@criticalrants]

Thank you my guy

[@bloodfinity]

So, what's your origin ???

[@Abe-Lau]

lol what kind of hero is that? 😂 elongated man?

[@TheCapedArtist]

Spider-Man is always looking for a father figure in the comics, but it's never a replacement to uncle Ben

[@photosbypeterparker8880]

Here’s my opinion i think mcu Spider-Man movies are good movies but not good Spider-Man movie because they miss the point, Consequences Peter doesn’t have any Consequences but tony putting him in time out

[@vikramprasanna8908]

Not really. Watch again.

[@omarawilson2853]

Vikram Prasanna he doesn’t really have any consequences though. So many things go wrong in homecoming and FFH for Peter. Yet he never has to bare any of the struggle by himself. It never truly feels like being spiderman is all that bad for him.

[@robl0xgamer258]

@Connor Blackbird exactly, people brush that off because they want their opinion to be superior, I would also like to add that Peter didn't get to enjoy most of his trip since he was dragged by nick fury to do something he didn't want to, which is pretty relatable for teens imo

[@robl0xgamer258]

@Connor Blackbird exactly my friend! Great analysis and explanation btw 😎

[@josephtaylor3259]

@Connor Blackbird Who died in FFH?

[@higaiwokeru]

MCU Spiderman is not Spiderman, he’s a superhero using Spiderman’s powers He doesn’t feel like Spiderman to me, he only cares about what Tony would think instead of what Uncle Ben would think Hell, it makes no sense why Aunt May is ok with Peter being Spiderman since she lost the fucking love of her live to a normal burglar while Peter faces gangsters and murderers on the daily The reason he fought against the Vulture in Homecoming wasn’t because it was his responsibility but because, and I quote from the movie’s dialogue, “the guy with the wings is the source of the weapons, I gotta take him down”, it doesnt sound as a “its my neighborhood, its my responsibility” but as “im the good guy, hes the bad guy”

[@redalert923]

Marvel cinematic universe should put or mentioned uncle Ben even in the next spider man movie or other marvel movie that includes peter parker as spider man add miles morales and gwen stacy while they add it

[@higaiwokeru]

@@redalert923 they are in two deep at this point that mentioning uncle ben would feel out of the blue there are 5 movies with spiderman and only one elluded to uncle ben

[@ashura9706]

He‘s not Spiderman, he’s Spider-Man.

[@higaiwokeru]

@Connor Blackbird that the only reason he fought the Vulture was because it’s what he’s supposed to do as a super and not as a hero

[@SurgyShel]

@Connor Blackbird Conner Lol is speaking facts idk why you trying act like they not, just because Homecoming and Far from Home are good movies doesn’t mean they don’t have flaws, and they have some big flaws because they ain’t add uncle ben.

[@planetofeffects5422]

I wish the next spiderman movie sticks to more of a story within Peter's personal life instead of Spiderman's life.

[@kento_23]

Uncle Ben will always remain in our hearts, RIP

[@kevintcp370]

Nick Fury: “We need you to save the WORLD” Peter: “Lol nope, screw that. I want to have a nice vacation and dating the girl I like”

[@stellarremnant3597]

More like he just went through a series of traumatic events after being dead for five years, losing his role model right in front of his eyes and having the constant pressure of the entire world looking at you to be the next iron man so that you can save the world from the next alien invasion. You’re also ignoring the fact that he gave up the opera date with MJ to go fight the Fire elemental. Jeez comments like yours are just stupid as hell with like 0 thought put into them.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@stellarremnant3597, 1. Tony wasn’t Peter’s role model towards Peter until the Civil War film/comic both of which are shitty the comic book stories and the MCU. 2. If anybody was ever more of a parental figure that wasn’t Uncle Ben in the comics it was Daredevil not Tony because Tony didn’t give a shit about Peter until the events of Civil War, so if Peter in the comics were to have severe PTSD from somebody dying in front of him that wasn’t Uncle Ben then it’d be Daredevil because Daredevil is the closest Marvel character that knows the tragedies Peter goes through, and he sympathizes Peter the most out of any Marvel character because they share the most common experiences out of any Marvel superhero characters. 3. The Far From Home and Homecoming MCU’s version of MJ sucks because they made a ginger character black, but yet whenever you take a black character like Black Panther and make him White SJWS get offended by people doing that, and saying it’s White Washing, but if you take a White character and make it Black SJWS are perfectly fine with that for some reason.

[@stellarremnant3597]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr You’re kinda going somewhere else with those accusations of MJ being black. It’s definitely not the same as changing Black Panther’s skin color because Black Panther has more of a cultural significance and it’s strictly in his character that he’s of African descent. You’re getting butthurt over nothing dude, calm down.

[@Saint0999]

@@stellarremnant3597 no thats not an excuse. also thats not something peter does. sure he wants that. but him actually doin it is out of character

[@stellarremnant3597]

@@Saint0999 How is that out of character?

[@AKACHIISBETTER]

"if you disagree with me about a character thats supposed to bring ppl together youre a terrible person." was that a joke?

[@AKACHIISBETTER]

wait nvm it was lol

[@criticalrants]

@@AKACHIISBETTER Yep that was a joke poking fun at the Spider-Man fandom for often taking that approach when discussing the character

[@TheEmeraldCreeper]

@@criticalrants tbh when I heard that I got twitter vibes

[@verdantmischief7092]

The scene at 4:23 is SO FUCKING GOOD. Peter truly learnt his lesson on that day, and even when facing a indestructible man like Tombstone he's never willing to look the other way again

[@johnpaulcross424]

So glad spectacular is getting the hype it deserves, awesome video

[@portiz6283]

FINALLY!!!!!! Someone who sees exactly what is wrong with the MCU Spider-Man. It angers me how wrong they got Spider-Man's character especially because of how perfectly setup he was in Civil War. Think about it why was MCU Spider-Man at his best in Civil War? Because the Russos clearly understand what makes Peter tick and they don't wipe their @$$es with his motivation and what drives him to be Spider-Man! The conversation between Peter and Stark IS Spider-Man! They've never been able to recapture that magic and my patience is wearing thin for them to correct this mistake!

[@gyromane1488]

The character is more than definitely redeemed in No Way Home

[@phoenixero8161]

"I won't ever look the other way again." They understood the character so well man

[@eduardolanzasuazo8954]

I thought when the mcu got spider-man we would get the definitive spider-man, but after two solo movie that ain't spider-man to me. Uncle Ben is the catalyst for spider-man. Heck they even are afraid to say the with great power comes great responsibility

[@bloodfinity]

Thank you for understanding . To the people that say this is a different Spider-Man, to them I say if you're changing the character this much , what's the point of making him Spider-Man in the first place. It could have been another character

[@ShakaHapa]

Ikr they should’ve left Spider-Man out of the MCU yeah everybody wanted it but obviously we were very wrong they should’ve made Tom Holland supposed to be the kid from Iron Man 3 and make him Iron Lad. It would’ve been way better than having an Iron Lad being called “Spider-Man”

[@bloodfinity]

@@ShakaHapa exactly!

[@SoIstice]

Hell, even just beating around the bush and making MCU Spidey what he is, that being Miles Morales, would have been a much better approach.

[@jupiter9045]

This here makes sense

[@bloodfinity]

@@jupiter9045 what?

[@alrightythen8551]

My theory is that Peter did lose Ben, but the impact Peter suffered was so bad, it got to the point that Peter couldn't mention Ben by name because the pain of the memory of losing him would be too much. It's like he locked it up in a vault inside his heart. It would explain why he is clearly referring Ben at some points, but at the same time, explaining why he can't just say Ben's name out loud. EDIT: Or maybe Ben died when Peter was very young. I don't know

[@isomericgamer6644]

He referenced uncle Ben's death in captain america civil war. And did the whole "with great power comes great responsibility" talk with Tony. He clearly understands and it shows how uncle Ben teached him responsibility. In far from home however he wanted to stay away from everything after everything he saw in endgame and infinity war. I too would try to do the same. Yet the movie and characters remind him again of that lesson uncle Ben told him.

[@TheEmeraldCreeper]

@@isomericgamer6644 I don't know if you've seen No Way Home but Aunt May does say the "with great power comes great responsibility" thing. So we do technically have it

[@isomericgamer6644]

@@TheEmeraldCreeper yeah I'm really glad they let her say that it even confirms my theory even more when he says "I know" implying that his uncle ben told him something similar. And the way he looks immediately at Tobey when he tells him that his uncle ben was killed.

[@gogogokuro204]

@@isomericgamer6644 im glad we will get an origin story all before he was bitten maybe we will see uncle ben

[@isomericgamer6644]

@@gogogokuro204 same

[@santiagomalagon9554]

Spider-Man without uncle Ben's death is like Batman without his parents' death

[@theaveragegamer8128]

Exactly

[@nadimls3672]

And it already happened. Jonnathan Hickman wrote it.

[@sonichart1364]

Tombstone: Just remember to look the other way, on any occasion I choose. Me: You pressed the Ben Parker button.

[@phantomcrusader04]

I’m so glad someone made this video. because in my opinion, Ben’s death is the most impactful moment in Spider-Man’s life, more than the spider bite.

[@MBrix-up2wi]

Getting this recommended right after watching "No Way Home" and feeling a satisfaction knowing that every harsh criticism Jon Watts faced for not including Uncle Ben was completely unnecessary. He never wanting MCU Peter to have THAT Uncle Ben in the first place. Which one scene in NWH made especially clear.

[@TheEmeraldCreeper]

Spoiler of course; "Which one scene in NWH made especially clear." do you mean when Aunt May Died?

[@MBrix-up2wi]

@@TheEmeraldCreeper No, the second one on the school rooftop.

[@shubb-niggurath]

@@MBrix-up2wi you mean when Toby and Andrew mentioned their Uncle Ben??? Because Tom’s Spider-Man only got that speech from Aunt May, his Peter never mentioned Uncle Ben at all…

[@MBrix-up2wi]

@@shubb-niggurath which is exactly what I said. No mention of Uncle Ben because he is the one who either only had May or not THAT KIND of Uncle Ben Peter 2 snd Peter 3 had.

[@theincrediblespiderdude5454]

@@MBrix-up2wi Yeah including Peter Parker when he learn the Uncle Ben name he is like he never heard it before

[@daryltor7608]

Even after No Way Home, I still very much like this video. Good Job on it!

[@criticalrants]

Thank you!

[@ajitbengali]

@Erik Kemeey you hack!

[@lightningpoweredfilms]

All three of the mcu spider-man movies were just one big origin story for Peter, and it was well done

[@mr.colbycheese6625]

I love how he calls people horrible just for disagreeing with his opinion

[@nicktroisi6347]

“Peter...all the times we talked of honesty, fairness, justice. A lot of those times I counted on you to have the courage, to take those dreams out into the world” That line. That scene in the film broke me. The one thing I’ll never forgive the MCU for not doing is introducing their version of Uncle Ben

[@joshuakim802]

This was one of the best Spider-Man videos I have ever watched on KZbin, you made me realize that Spider-Man is my favorite character, thanks, loved the video

[@VirtualEnigma9022]

Man i don't understand Peter's logic in FFH, Fury tells him that he needs to save the world but Peter wants instead to go to his vacation and spend some time with MJ but if he doenst save the world there's a chance MJ's gonna be in danger alongside his friends like Ned.

[@ATalesTruth-]

You see that where the movie is begging on the audience to be stupid Because no person with common sense can get behind where Peter is coming from given the context of the threat

[@jarenalfred66]

It would be nice if no way home started with peter visiting ben's grave and asking him honestly what he is supposed to do, and if the multiverse brings spider-ben or some way that peter sees him again to make it easier to explain who Uncle ben is, either way Ben needs to be mentioned at least.

[@ATalesTruth-]

Image in tobey is his uncle Ben

[@jarenalfred66]

@@ATalesTruth- the only way it could be, and Andrew Garfield should be Aunt May

[@milesbradshaw6643]

Is there any other reason why need Spectacular Spider-Man needs to return?

[@sugaryheaven4089]

@Spider-Man Fan449 Better than the movies

[@Kittysune12]

as i really want it return...i can't trust nowdays disney to delivered a good marvel show that is marketed toward the Marvel fans not MCU fans because they could just make super horrible movie adaptation of superhero and MCU fans would love it and call it masterpeice

[@milesbradshaw6643]

@@Kittysune12 True😔.

[@beastslayer8729]

SPOILERS FOR NO WAY HOME: Believe it or not, No Way Home hard counters all of these issues. The Homecoming trilogy acts as the origin story for Spider-Man. The MCU version of the story is a bit out of order, since Peter doesn't lose anyone super important until the third movie, but it helps clarify why he acts the way he does in Far From Home. He still wants to help people, but he doesn't view it as his responsibility until the end of No Way Home. Aunt May's death and dying speech acts as the Uncle Ben moment for the MCU, and while it may be considered nontraditional or not comic book accurate, I feel it plays an important part in the story and feels even more traumatic, given we had time to become attached to Aunt May as a character before she died.

[@snorange14]

thats why aunt mays death stung so much jesus christ 3 movies of build up

[@d7oomytapped494]

What a perfect time to get recommended to this video!

[@MusicByLIFE]

Wow I honestly thought this channel was much bigger 😂 awesome video loved watching this. You pointed out things that I never could properly say when discussing about the character. Spectacular Spider-Man is just the Spiderman for me. Such a shame for it to not have gone longer

[@criticalrants]

Thank you so much! It really is a shame that Spectacular Spider-Man got cancelled, it's one of my all-time favorite cartoons and certainly one of the most consistent superhero shows I've ever seen

[@MusicByLIFE]

@@criticalrants exactly I thought it was great from start to finish and because of you I appreciate the natural selection episode so much more 😂 If you want another great spiderman story but older you could check out the story of Spider-Man PS4 if you never played it. I think that’s how Sony should’ve done Andrew Garfield Spider-Man

[@FabianEllis]

Just found ur channel over the past few days and it is severely underrated- u deserve way more subscribers!

[@criticalrants]

Thank you! That means a lot

[@Youknowwhoiam234]

When you really think about it tony got hit with that uncle Ben treatment

[@thetypingavocado574]

how?

[@helixsol7171]

The only legitimate tangible confirmation that Uncle Ben existed at some point in the MCU from what I've seen is in What If...? Specifically the zombies episode

[@squilber2177]

Not exactly. Mcu Peter Parker doesn’t need to be convinced to fight because he doesn’t want to, but because he doesn’t want to ignore his social life outside of being a hero. Misterio later takes advantage of this internal conflict to steal Edith. Also tony was never meant to replace Ben, but he someone Peter cared about more than he needed to, and effects his performance as a hero. Happy teaches him that he just needs to be spider man, not iron man. Then he is able to beat the villain

[@classicspeeder]

"and my opinion, is an *OBJECTIVE FACT* "

[@potatoo4905]

Honestly with the rumors of Andrew and Tobey returning as their spidermen in the new movie. It'd be cool to see a dynamic of them being the motivation / uncle ben for Tom's spiderman. Someone that really teaches him to never look the other way.

[@joemama4543]

Plot twist. The role of uncle Ben in the tom Holland run was (spoiler) Aunt May

[@helixsol7171]

A lot of these comments aged like milk after No Way Home

[@MrLemon44]

Haha imagine seeing this 1 year after this video was uploaded, when it is now believed that Uncle Ben never existed in the MCU's version of spiderman

[@athompson26]

I personally love the mcu spidey, I’ve know that there was something wrong and couldn’t really put my finger on what exactly (ya know besides the lack of uncle Ben). But I feel like you finally explained what was missing unlike high top films (who makes good videos most the time). I hope they do have a scene where someone asks him why he’s still helping people even while being hunted and gets frustrated until he realizes it’s because he couldn’t save Ben.

[@athompson26]

@Erik Kemeey I really liked it, no way home genuinely fixed a lot of the issues I might of had. And I hope in the freshman year show we see uncle Ben actually there. But nwh made me realize this trilogy was just a massive origin story, which is really cool.

[@athompson26]

@Erik Kemeey np and i agree completely

[@peytonibarra8992]

Crazy how we never got an "Uncle Ben" moment for Tom's Trilogy.

[@jaygged6472]

aunt may was mcu uncle ben. she even says the "with great power" line.

[@peytonibarra8992]

@@jaygged6472 I know, I was trying to not spoil it for the two people who haven't watched it yet

[@MK-qv6fn]

Honestly, everything you say in this video man, I completely agree and I think the scene you pitched with Peter and spider symbol, it's a great way for the audience to have their mind blow in the theatre. Maybe having Peter just whispering the name *Ben* could be a way for Tom Holland's spider man to stop and think about the situation he's in. Maybe Jon Watts, SONY and Marvel Studios are all watching this video right now and getting their facts straightened out, I think your honesty is the truth about how they treat Peter's personality.

[@Fulcrum1313]

SpecSpidey for me is the best of all, I love it, I enjoy all of Spider-Man and I can not wait for more movies to come! I hope they continue Spectacular, I also created a tribute about it:) Keep up the great work man;)

[@breadmanmanmanman]

The spectacular Spider-Man was my introduction to the character and I was hooked

[@toganium4175]

Dang, I wish I could find a way to watch that cartoon.

[@criticalrants]

I bought a DVD collection online for about $25, which is definitely worth the price, but sadly, it's not on any streaming services at the moment. If you have a bit of extra cash lying around, though, it's soooooo worth the investment

[@TGM_Productions]

Critical Rants I got it on dvd as well.

[@later8353]

All of the episodes are in Dailymotion uploaded by Audrielle. Here is the link if you want to watch the S1E1: www.dailymotion.com/video/x76m6x2

[@gocesamardziev8450]

use the website SOAP2DAY, its free besides the annoying ads

[@Vibe1610]

Kisscartoon

[@cezermartinez9898]

5:03 had me dying for some reason. 😂🤣 But yes the MCU spiderman could learn from sprectacular spiderman. I agree with you.

[@CarnageRulez469]

I already know where this vid is going, and it’s one of the many reasons why I dislike MCU Spidey. Best modern adaptation of Spidey is still Spidey PS4, alongside Into the Spider-Verse. Best film version will always be Tobey, because it understands Spider-Man and the struggles that come with being Spider-Man.

[@who7th]

such a great take, bruv 😔👌

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

No, Tobey is best Peter Parker. He was a crap Spider-Man. He displayed none of Spidey's personality in costume. Plus he has the eternal shame of being beaten up by Eric Foreman of all people. Garfield had the opposite problem. Horrible Peter Parker, passable Spider-Man.

[@gokuisbetterthanvegetalolf9066]

@@Drums_of_Liberation How? Is it because Tobey doesn't crack jokes?

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

@@gokuisbetterthanvegetalolf9066 That and his scientific intelligence was never once utilized in any of the films outside of generic school scenes since Raimi went with the stupid organic webs. We got to see Garfield's Peter strut his engineering prowess by building the webshooters. And with Holland we actually see him making his web fluid and even if it wasn't with his own hands make his own suit and gadgets by the climax of Far From Home.

[@gokuisbetterthanvegetalolf9066]

@@Drums_of_Liberation Okay this should be easy

[@raxio8369]

I like how your video was on point for the Spider-Man we thought we knew in the MCU. I believe Tom's Spider-Man will have a whole other level of depth and sense of responsibility moving forward.

[@dlm292]

I like how the MCU subverted the Uncle Ben with having Aunt May die and leaving Peter with no one

[@brandocolate6564]

Apparently, we weren't seeing the aftermath of his origin but we were actually watching it, leading up to (spoilers for no way home) Aunt Mays death as a kind of stand in for uncle ben, i think we assumed that momment was with iron man, but no, it was aunt may.

[@b4gong99]

the point of this video is, where there is a great power, there is a great responsibility

[@cytorakdemon]

They introduced Spider-Man in the MCU, but only in the bedroom scene during Civil War, when Peter is talking about helping the people that get over looked by the Avengers, because he feels responsible because he has the power to do so. He's been Spider-Man for 6 months up to that point and he would love to do something like use his new strength and speed to be on a football team, but he couldn't before so it wouldn't be right to do so now. Even implied something happened prior that Peter could've prevented but didn't, and now he has to be Spider-Man to make up for it. Spider-Man has yet to appear in the MCU films since, because responsibility and self sacrifice fell to the wayside in order to feel validation by "Mister Stark" and defending his legacy. So happy that Spider-Man made his long awaited second appearance in the MCU during No Way Home.

[@smurby]

Or as I call No way home "Iron Boy 3: The birth of spiderman"

[@bluetowel-reko]

@@smurby lmao

[@cytorakdemon]

@Erik Kemeey You don't know how to read, do you?

[@obamagaming1529]

I’m so glad we’re getting freshman year and will see uncle ben and a more accurate peter parker

[@LORD-kg4sl]

we are in the end of triology tho and only thing that is accurate is his age lmao other than that spiderman never wanted to be an avenger and never was an iron man fan boy.......comic accurate yeah right

[@notaustine31]

They took a while but they made it hurt

[@Adam_X78]

I can’t believe Tom Holland is playing the new Spider-Man!

[@Werferharfer]

Man , spectacular spiderman was like Peter Parker face in the video game , it was perfect and then , they ended it.

[@quadbell8190]

Even post No Way Home it still seems off and lacking since it kinda begs the question where did he get his powers, what made him chose to start to begin with.

[@blinddig7525]

guess he just got bitten and then his motivation was to help people? Idk sounds pretty naive to me so glad that no way home addressed that problem

[@somecallmejeremy]

@@blinddig7525 We'll see when they drop the animated prequel Spider-Man series on Disney+.

[@nadimls3672]

Avengers, stark, and then may probably

[@NYCKZ360]

I’ve been stressing this point since homecoming dropped , but people always say you’re blinded by nostalgia when mentioning Sam raimi spider-man.

[@mirroughs7729]

Thank you, anyone can say what they want about the old Spider-Man movies, they worked because they identified who Spider-Man was, who Peter Parker was, and why key moments in his life should be utilized in telling his hero story. Tony Stark is no Ben Parker, MJ is no Mary Jane Watson, and saying "oh, he's a teenager" doesn't take away the responsibility of playing the role of Spider-Man. These people and things are all important to understand both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, he's a flawed hero, and shouldn't be shoehorned into the shadow of Tony Stark to fit the MCU movies. I think the worst thing they could have ever done was deciding to reveal Spider-Man's identity because peaking does exist, and there's nowhere to go once you hit the ceiling.

[@elijahcatacutan2641]

This did not age well

[@mirroughs7729]

​@@elijahcatacutan2641 No, no it did not. I wish it aged more gracefully because this is awkward.

[@Peniche94]

And we got, an aunt may... Shit that hurts

[@Jsh_Street25]

I know that this video is a year old but I want to acknowledge the fact that no way home tells us that Tom Hollands spiderman had no uncle Ben and so this doesn't really apply

[@spaceace9103]

That whole "Peter shouldn't look the other way" thing was definitely in my mind during No Way Home. Think this video has aged wonderfully.

[@tombensonfilms5328]

I suppose there are aspects of that in Homecoming, such as when Peter abandons going swimming with his friends to go out and investigate The Vulture. There are a few moments in that film like that which displays his feeling of responsibility and duty as Spider-Man over his life as Peter Parker. But I definitely agree that after that point, that feeling fades into the background a lot and feels heavily mixed, which does ruin the characterisation of Spider-Man a lot. A proper Uncle Ben type figure would've been really useful dramatically and in terms of character building, we didn't even need the whole shooting again, but could've instead had retrospective mentions of him or more displays of that feeling of responsibility to remind us of his impact. Great video!

[@sharky7703]

Holy shit you are right, MCU Peter was out of character

[@FazeRustyNuts]

How so he's Peter from a different universe 🤔

[@thedeskman08]

I friggin love spectacular spider, I Remember the theme song off by heart Edit: Rembert

[@rafaeltaets2396]

Well shit, they fixed it

[@mikebearthegamer1365]

As a mcu spidey fan, I can agree. I would love to see that scene where peter hesitates, but still does the right thing

[@keemeister]

The Spider-man Life Story comic you mentioned was soo good especially on the last issue where Peter tells MJ the reoccurring dream he has about not stopping the thief who killed Uncle Ben. That ending was perfect.

[@lukeamparo6586]

Real hot take, Tom Holland’s Spidey feels like a whitewashed Miles Morales.

[@RedPowerButton]

only comic book miles, comic miles and just the miles comics in general were just ass. I'm glad the movies and games are fixing this

[@lukeamparo6586]

@@RedPowerButton fixing what?

[@RedPowerButton]

@@lukeamparo6586 watch godzillamendoza into the spiderverse and you'll get it. Gotta go me and my friend are binge watching spectacular spider-man

[@soupple]

OOH BUT HOLD ON YOU ACTUALLY MIGHT BE ONTO SOMETHING BRO

[@ultimamage3]

Compare Ned and Ganke, they're 1:1 copypastes

[@Spawnfreak]

For the record I think the MCU Spider-man is awful. I look at these characters and I don't see anything resembling Peter Parker, Mary Jane Watson, or Aunt May. They do not exist to to tell good Spider-man stories, they exist to be MCU commercials. For me Spectacular Spider-man is the definitive Spider-man, with the Raimi trilogy as a close second.

[@blyki867]

They have the best reviews out of any spider-man movie and most people love them lol no one cares ab ur opinion

[@TheCapedArtist]

@@blyki867 fans of the source material care about his opinion, and that's really what matters

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

Raimi isn’t accurate...

[@TheCapedArtist]

@@raidoukuzonoha883 his peter is close to the stan lee comics, MJ isn't though.

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

@@TheCapedArtist too much of a wimp

[@M567dk]

I think that we need a flashback or two of showcasing Peter’s relationship with Uncle Ben in the MCU a bit to showcase his physical existence of the character and the impact and morales that he has on Peter.

[@thephenomenalalphaspider1451]

Dude this video that you made is awesome but you truly understanding Spiderman character is just beautiful. The influence of Uncle Ben aside the thing that makes me love him is that he's an imperfect hero and that's what makes him so relatable and loveable in my opinion. He makes sacrifices and mistakes but he always tries again and again. He never gives up.

[@gogetasama3488]

This was the greatest and saddest video I ever seen am crying,am happy I love this video this show was my childhood back then I was stupid I didn't understand anything but right now while growing up I understand everything mate thanks a lot for making my day.

[@kres6009]

I've been in a consumptive mood lately for Spider-Man video content and just got interested in watching the Spectacular Spider-Man series as a consequence (thanks "spectacular spider-man but mary-jane is iconic" video). This did get me thinking though: as someone born in 2000, (Raimi's) Spider-Man was the most prominent superhero for me. There was Wolverine (sorry, rest of the X-Men) or Batman, sure, but Spider-Man has always felt like *the* superhero that resonated with me-a kid then and a teenager now understanding and better appreaciating Peter/Spider-Man's character, story, and driving motivation more thanks to further iterations of the character and videos like these. I still haven't read the comics (just wikia info unfortunately), but I enjoyed FFH for what it's worth. Having heard of the difference between Mysterio in the comics and in the movie, I enjoyed how they still delivered his whole illusion gimmick in an interesting way. But, thanks to your video, it got me realizing the flaws of the recent Spider-Man. It's more than just "not being a complete comic adaptation", but more so of a lack of staying true to his roots-what makes Peter/Spider-Man, well, him, and what makes us gravitate towards his story. Though hey, I'm looking forward to how they'll continue Spider-Man's storyline for the coming years. FFH cliffhanger aside: by this point, there are thousands of kids who'll be growing up with the character, so I hope the essence of Spider-Man doesn't get lost along the way and that they'll come to love the character as much as us :]