Why Used Tesla Cars Are SO CHEAP (But Don't Buy One)

Why are used Tesla's are so cheap, and why you shouldn't buy one is what we're talking about today. You won't believe the reasons that I share with you for why you should not buy a used Tesla. We're going to break down Tesla prices, the Tesla models that these issues hit the hardest, and some of the overall problems with used electric cars and SUVs.
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[@ErikEvenson-3E]

Shocking. Cars are not an investment -- they are a consumable.

[@eraldhoxha6372]

They are investment but not for you to earn more money but for you to be more safe on the roads

[@N20Joe]

@@eraldhoxha6372 Unless you use it to get to work or do your work.

[@eraldhoxha6372]

@@N20Joe also is some tipe of investment

[@pedroferreira2871]

​@@eraldhoxha6372 No, cars are not an investment. By definition, an investment is something that potentially can bring you profit, by profit it means that you get returns with the money you invested. No car will make you win money, unless you will work with it to make more money, like Uber driving, for example. But if you are buying a car to be safe on the road, which doesn't make sense because more speed means higher risk so it's safer to walk, you are spending money on getting somewhere faster.

[@Comm0ut]

@@eraldhoxha6372 Until their lovely driving aids put you into a fire truck.

[@faizanqasim5265]

I got a used model 3 2022 long range for 24500$. Add to that the no sales tax and 4k$ used ev rebate in nj. I got an absolutely perfect model 3 with 36k miles on it for 20500$. Whenever I tell someone they think I got an absolutely amazing deal. And I agree!

[@ECPP]

Cheers

[@lavaughncaradine]

Do you regret it or do you think you got a steal or in between

[@faizanqasim5265]

@@lavaughncaradine i definitely think i got a steal. Considering for 20k i was getting something like a corolla/civic or accord at a stretch. A tesla is definitely the better choice

[@TonyMiguel-ko7cz]

@@ECPPproof youre an idiot 😂

[@jerrycallo]

Think about that when you want to sell it. You'll be on the wrong side of the equation then., and the 2nd owner will be the one to take the big hit on the battery replacement.

[@caldera6869]

Bought used 8yo Tesla MS with free supercharging and premium connectivity. Zero fear of battery issues. Now at 10yo 135k+ miles. There are folks running 400K miles on original battery. At my cost to charge, if I get 100k out of the battery, it will pay for its replacement based on gas savings alone, given a 0-100% charge would cost me a max of about $10 charging at home.

[@doublem6027]

Every dollar you saved will have to be put down in one hit for a battery or electric motor.

[@justinroth3174]

If your entire argument is that replacing the battery is inevitable, please tell me which gasoline car I can buy that will last forever without a new engine or transmission after it hits 200K miles or so. Duh it’s going to get old. Every car gets old. And no one buying a $17,000 used Tesla is going to spend $20K on a battery.

[@k4everut]

I can give you one, a 2001 Chevy Tahoe LS. My Tahoe had over 340,000 miles on it before I had to rebuild, not replace the transmission. The rebuild cost $1300 at a reputable transmission shop. The engine needed a new head gasket at 260,000 miles, and I replaced the gasket myself in my friend's garage in under 2 hours for less than $100. I've had Toyotas and even Hyundais with over 200,000 miles on them that only needed a clutch replacement ($800 - $1500). The drive trains (engine and transmission) on most ICE cars are highly dependable.

[@callmebigpapa]

My friend has a car with 600,000 miles and has had to replace the engine 1x and the transmission 3x. The key socket has had to be replaced like 6 times ......he has a shop do all the work. he should have bought a Tesla.

[@k4everut]

@callmebigpapa I wouldn't take a lesson on how reliable a used car will be based on one source or anecdote. There is a reason there are so many used Teslas on the market right now. Hertz dumped them due to high maintenance costs and unforseen maintenance issues. Hertz had thousands of Teslas in their inventory. What Hertz did is definitely a barometer to use when buying a new or used Tesla, since the Teslas in Hertz's inventory where used by a wide range of drivers and driven in a lot of different conditions (not just one driver under a small set of conditions). Consumer Reports has also rated Tesla as the third worst major automobile maker in the world, based on their Tesla owners' reviews. That says a lot. Stay away! IMO, there are a lot of Tesla owners who are having buyers remorse right now and who are trying to stick you with their problem.

[@callmebigpapa]

@@k4everut I guess everyone should buy a Chrysler or Chevy that should work out great for fuel costs and reliability? For some time, the average lifespan of a car's engine was eight years, or 150,000 miles. New designs, better technology and improved service standards in recent years have increased this average life expectancy to about 200,000 miles, or about 10 years. Still not great but still better.

[@callmebigpapa]

@@k4everut The 2001 Tahoe gets 14 MPG overall, with 13 MPG in the city and 16 MPG on the highway. So for your 340k miles you have spent around 65k in fuel. In a Tesla you would have spent 7k for electric. You should watch Tony Seba's videos.

[@stanwatkins1877]

After replacing transmissions on my Ford Contour and Pontiac 6000 4 times each. to get to 200K miles, I'm ready to try a used model S.

[@ECPP]

Yes I agree, we have been abused by poor build quality for way too long

[@pedroferreira2871]

Understandable.

[@philo441]

Don't buy worthless brands. Just guy Toyota, Honda and Nissan

[@slavcpanigaz846]

Buy Lexus

[@pedroferreira2871]

@@slavcpanigaz846 🤢

[@dealman3312]

I remember Elon said after 200,000 miles the vehicle would have 80% of its battery life. There is an engineering channel where he tests and rates the batteries in different EV’s. If I’m not mistaken, Tesla was at the top. Kona did reasonably well also

[@ECPP]

Yes if the battery is treated properly, as in never overcharge beyond 80per ent or grossly run it out all the time, it can go a long time. With that said, 80 percent is not good. Look at a regular lead acid battery, with no load if it reads 12 volts even it’s toast

[@Charlesbjtown]

​@ECPP Your ignorance is giving me second hand embarrassment.

[@anthonydarko3472]

​@@ECPPTesla uses lithium ion battery now since 2021 or so.

[@jamessmyth5949]

​@@ECPP In an ICE the 12V battery only costs around $200 to replace and some of them last for longer than 10 years in an EV the traction motor battery ranges from around $5000 up to a ludicrous $50,000 that I read Hyundai was trying to slug one of their EV customers. Even if I was a multi millionaire with cash to burn I'll give you 3 guesses as to which id still rather be paying for battery replacement EV or ICE.

[@rhdtv2002]

@@anthonydarko3472only on Model 3 Standard a range RWD

[@josephclemson1743]

The batteries last much longer than he's saying. It's been proven.

[@danielstehura9657]

He’s a PUNK

[@S3XYEV]

😅 exactly! There’s so much BS in this video I wouldn’t know where to start. There’s Teslas with 350K and more on them. The electric motors last longer than ICE engines! The vast majority of them have the same battery 🔋 pack, even 10 years later, and degradation levels off, and they will go another 10K or more. Most of us don’t keep vehicles that long. I get a new (or used - new to me) car every 5-7 years. The battery pack is under warranty the whole time! The current replacement on a pack is $15K, not $25… and the cost has steadily gone down every year for 12 years! But 99% have never needed a new battery pack. The depreciation is actually a good thing 👍 Now folks can get in an EV much cheaper. No, no one is saying by a 5-10 yr old one. But 2-3 yrs and you’re getting an awesome deal LOL ! 🎉

[@danielstehura9657]

He is anti EV

[@danielstehura9657]

@@S3XYEVin California $7,000 for Rebuilding your Battery Pack with a 1 year Warranty plus all used Cells get 100% Recycled into new batteries

[@danielstehura9657]

He is a Gas Car Wack Job totally anti EV

[@TV-qj5ct]

Who else is here because of the comments?

[@ROCKOLA79]

Me 🤗

[@S3XYEV]

Me too! 😂 I’m late ⏰ to the discussion, but I just had to see if people called this guy out in the huge BS presented in this video. 😅

[@vevenaneathna]

bought my 2013 "phev" last year with 95k miles on it for 7k cash. proceeded to put 35k miles on it since then. saved about $2500 in gas over my last car (02 civic ~30mpg avg). just looked any with gas prices so high in my state, my car has gone up to 9-10k in value with the new phev craze were in. if you count appreciation and the gas ive saved, my ev will be free in a couple more months. original battery, getting like 20% more range now than it did new.

[@mongo64071]

Tesla doesn’t give you a new battery under warranty. It’s a refurbished battery. They replace bad cells in a pack with new ones but don’t touch the old cells. This is like mixing old and new light bulbs. The old ones are just as likely to fail as the bad ones. Thus, these refurbished packs often need to be replaced again.

[@sirbum1918]

And that means secondhand Teslas become worthless.

[@badtoro]

Ahh ignorant ev haters.

[@ECPP]

Thanks for watching

[@yeahbuddy92193911]

20 minutes to charge a Teala, not hours. Bro do you even know a single truth about Teslas or do you just spout the same lies that the media puts out? Try talking to an actual owner about charging, battery life, battety replacement costs, you're wrong about every single point.

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

Battery prices has come down and will continue to do so. In ten to 12 years (in an ICE car the motor and transmission will be gone since they are designed for 150,000 miles only) Quote "The price of EV batteries is projected to drop 40% between 2023 and 2025, per a new Goldman Sachs research note." March 15, 2024. That is only a two year span. !2 years the battery will be very cheap, and there will be a business for replacing old batteries for newer ones that use less rare metals. The old battery will make several new batteries.

[@CitrusBoyz]

Exactly. I look forward to the day my battery is no longer sufficient to run my tesla because then I can use it as a solar battery storage bank. used batteries at auto wreckers cost between 6-8K and can be installed considerably faster and cheaper then internal combustion engines.

[@asajayunknown6290]

I have five vehicles with 200k+ miles. One has 370k, and going strong. Will not be spending $50k+ on anything new soon, maybe ever. Just don't see the point of car payments, and expensive insurance, and expensive registration. You do you, I'll do me😊

[@michaelmallon6346]

Hertz is selling low milage Tesla model 3 for a little over 20 - 23 k and there is also rebates that may apply

[@solidtmj]

Come on man. When has the price of anything gone down ?

[@danielstehura9657]

We have companies in California that take your Tesla battery off the car replace the weak cells with battery cells that match the voltage of the whole battery pack and put it back in your car and give you a one-year warranty for $7000! There are so many EV bashers that don’t know Jack about electric vehicles because they’re ignorant and cannot read and they don’t have a clue to do research on what’s going on with the current EV Phenomenon. Your old weak cells from your bad battery. Pack are recycled in California by a company called Redwood. 100% of EV battery cells are completely recyclable. This is the second source of battery material. The first is by mining it which is more difficult.

[@issigonis975]

But is that not a very high repair cost? If you are the unlucky one who in that situation and need to find $7000 and cannot afford it? I would be very angry with a company who sold me a car that needed me to stump up $7000 to just get my car back with the range I expected new. What car other type of car gets a smaller fuel tank the older it is? Is the warranty on Tesla 70% or below and if I read correct you could get a 70% put back in and not a new one and only in the region it was purchased in? Correct me if I am wrong. I have no issues with EVs they just have too many issues for what I need. One being the cost to wire up electrics into my garage. Many people where I live park on the road. Reduced range as I don't want to swap my car every 5 years to get my 'fuel' tank back to capacity. Going any reasonable distance. The God awful instrumentation of the Tesla and to me kit car look of it. The fact they think the Cyber Truck looks cool! It brings to mind the DeLorean.

[@carmenhealer4635]

My rich family members don’t care about resale value. They love their Teslas and get new ones in order to upgrade.

[@albertseabra9226]

The same took place with conventional Detroit made cars. New models appearing every year in the matket, driving the value of used cars down. E-Vs are evolving by leaps-and-bonds. Getting better every year. Furthermore, modern conventional vehicles became Computers on 4 wheels. Chips and electronics go bust, if a car is left for one year parked in a garage. Gone are the days when a car left for years in a barn, could be started after changing the fluids and little more.

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@samuelc.7153]

If someone wants to or likes saving money like me, I stay away from EV vehicles. With respect!

[@franklong6269]

Used Teslas dropped in resale value because Hertz dumped huge numbers of Model 3s and Model Ys on the used car market. The Hertz Teslas have pretty much been sold off and resale prices are increasing. Tesla batteries are easily lasting 10 years. Newer Model 3s with LFP batteries should easily last 15 years. Buying a used ICE car can present a lot of problems for buyers also, and you simply ignore those issues. I have a used 2022 Model 3 with 77,000 miles on it and it has 95% of its original battery capacity. So, you're just wrong. I have had zero problems with my Model 3, other than the previous owner had curb rash on two of the wheels, and didn't repair them correctly. Tesla Model 3 motors are designed to last a million miles. Hybrids are a good choice but they require more maintenance than an EV. You have an EV battery, an EV motor and a gasoline engine that you have to maintain. It costs me $7.75 to charge my Model 3 from 0 -100% at home. That provides me around 225 -240 miles of range in city driving. It costs about $16,000 to replace a battery on a Tesla Model 3, however that cost can be as low as $13,000. EV battery costs are plummeting, and I suspect that as they decrease, more and more companies are going to offer EV battery replacements for Teslas, and it is possible that Tesla will drop the cost to replace the batteries on used EVs. If you have a shop with the proper tools, the labor is not that difficult. So conceivably, a shop could purchase a new Model 3 battery replacement for $8000.00 in the future and charge $2000.00 to install it and make over a $1000.00 a day in profit per each repair, and they could repair multiple cars simultaneously. Considering the huge numbers of Model 3, Model S, Model Y and Model X cars on the road, these types of repairs could be very profitable for shops, assuming that the cost of the replacement battery packs goes down. Often an entire battery pack can be repaired in a Tesla by just replacing a few bad cells in the pack. This type of repair will be the future of EV battery repairs because it is relatively cheap, $2000 - $3000, and it restores the battery to near-new capacity. As more and more third-party auto shops start doing these repairs, most battery replacements will not be necessary. Auto shops are going to be forced to do these repairs because of the huge numbers of EVs being purchased. I just took a trip to CA, and every other car on the road was a Model 3 or a Model Y. I also would predict that Tesla will refine its battery replacement process and start repairing packs by replacing bad cells in the packs because it would be profitable for them to do these repairs and because they will be forced to do them by competition.

[@PeakTimeRacing]

I’m a life long car fan. I bought a Tesla Model 3 three years ago. Not because I’m a tree hugger…but because they are fast,fun,low maintenance, reliable and cost efficient. It’s been the best car I’ve ever owned and I still get excited every day getting into it and driving it. People hate on EVs because it’s something for them to do. They have a very uneducated opinion on them.

[@ECPP]

That’s a great point and every drive in a Tesla has been memorable as the performance is peppy and the get in a go with nonwarmup is great too. The. If challenge I find is it’s likely not going to suffice as the only car in the household, at least not easily. Thanks for the feedback

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

It's fast, but won't last

[@carlturner4344]

Most of the anti Ev sentiment is down to people being forced to move from ICE and as tax payers pay for it. Tesla are great cars, and like buying a new GSM you will get more for less each year. New battery tech will hit used car prices over the next few years.

[@Dontknowshit]

Uneducated?

[@Areku06]

Tesla only BEV that didn’t have battery recall. Porsche, Audi, Chevy, Hyundai all had battery recalls. Also software is much better on Tesla compared to Hyundai for example which is a mess.

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@S3XYEV]

🎉 👍 exactly. Just get a Tesla. Plus you get the supercharger infrastructure which is coast to coast.

[@jssjss721]

Tesla is unique because over the last 10 years they have had rapid growth and market saturation. I would say Tesla numbers peaked in 2021. But, now they have many refresh changes across all models, which makes buyers want the new stuff. I suspect you are wrong and while 2021- will be undesirable and low cost, the 2024+ are going to stablize (unless they make major improvements or drop retail on the new ones significantly). Also, the fed/state credits are sunsetting, whereas in prior years people got those incentives, which led to lower resale prices.

[@thefaceofbobby509]

Bro the used ones are getting so cheap if you’re batteries go out just buy another car. I love a good v8 more than anything else and I’ll never go full electric but it’s hard to argue with what they are for the price at this point

[@ECPP]

Some markets are cheap but in Canada most sellers seem to be disconnected from the entire reality that nobody has interest in used vehicles of this type

[@shepardsmith3235]

Driving an EV especially a Tesla is addictive. Yes you get addicted to it. You get addicted to driving with one pedal. Its so simple. Just take your foot off the accelerator and the car slows down without having to use the brake. A flywheel is enagaged charges the battery. You only need to use the brake when the car is fully charged. Its addictive not having to go to Midas muffler for brakes. If you take it easy you should get 50K on a set of brake pads. Its also addictive driving the car. The weight is down low and spread out to the four corners of the car so you feel like it is glued to the road especially if you have a dual motor EV. IIs addictive not going to Midas for the exhaust system and paying through the nose as there is no exhaust system and no catalytic converter to steal. Really I could go on for three more paragraphs but you get my point, I hope. Its put the fun back in driving for me. I love getting into the car and driving it. I care less about what other people drive. I see Bentlys and Roll Royce's and all I see is an old man in an old mans car. Really to own one is to love one. So before you die rent or lease one to honestly see what you are missing.

[@phil352]

Yeah I’m just thinking to myself how you can get a performance sedan with crazy speed around 2016-2020 ideally not that old for around 20k with not that many miles plus the 4k off seems like an unparalleled deal

[@shepardsmith3235]

@@phil352 You want the 3 performance sedan but its at least mid 20s which is not bad and its real fast. Zero to 60 in under 4 seconds. No one will beat you at the light. Period.

[@phil352]

@@shepardsmith3235 I was looking more at the S myself because I like the exterior and interior a lot more since it has a more luxury feel and more space plus older ones still look almost identical to the brand new ones

[@RicksCafeAmericana]

No. Just bought a used 2021 Model 3 for $23,500. $19,500 With the used EV credit I paid less for it than the used Subaru Impreza that I bought 7 years ago. And it’s like new. Batteries still strong on them even on older models with 200k miles driven. You’ll see testimonies about this on KZbin.

[@ECPP]

Thanks for sharing and yes the numbers have to make sense

[@lukewalker1051]

Thank you for your voice calling out all the auto industry fraud aka conning of American consumers. Majority of youtube influencers lie because they are on the automaker payroll.

[@ECPP]

Thanks very much and, yes, I tell like it is and am not on a payroll. I lived the garbage corporate life for a long time and I vowed that I want to tell things how they are and not BS

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

True. American automakers do not know how to make an afordable and reliable EV. Thay pay for influencers to talk bad about them.

[@amg3078]

It actually is a good idea to buy used I got mine for 20 grand cheaper than new and it's almost brand new

[@ECPP]

I agree, the market has shifted a bit and now depreciation hits them hard so it’s better to buy used a couple years anyway. I would not buy an 8 year old car

[@S3XYEV]

Yes 🎉 and it’s going to last 20 years or more. You’ll be ready for a new vehicle before the electric motors or batteries 🔋 ever go out 👍😎

[@amg3078]

@@S3XYEV I hope so the warranty is 8 years 120,000 mi for the motor and the battery everything else is 50,000 for 4 years I don't know if I should get a new one organic extended warranty

[@amg3078]

@@ECPP yeah definitely the warranty is 8 years on these things for the battery and the motors regular warranty is 4 years 50K so I wasn't sure if I should get an extended one when the time comes or just get rid of it and get a new one. Car is awesome though the technology and performance is mind-blowing. They must be good cars because all the TLC's are using them

[@JosephBeltran-td5lu]

Im buying a Tesla model 3

[@PeakTimeRacing]

There’s a lot of wrong information in this video regarding EVs. The main point about battery replacement is very wrong. EV batteries last 10-20 years. Many Teslas are on the same battery and have gone 200,000+ miles. They don’t cost $20,000 to replace. Currently a Tesla battery replacement is $10,000-$12,000 and it’s only getting cheaper with time.

[@zsb707]

Batteries lasting 10 years or 20 years? Not the same! Battery replacement costing $10,000 ... that's a lot of money tbh.

[@xiondFirst]

I was thinking of used tesla but you're right they are not going to save you money on the long run if you have to replace the battery that costs a fortune.

[@caldera6869]

It's far less grim than this video depicts. First, if you are in US, 30% point of sale credit on used EV up to $4K, up to $7.5K off new. Takes a bite out of the fear on the front end. Given how low many used prices are right now, great value to be had in a used Tesla. I have 135K mikes on my original 10yo Tesla battery. It's doing great and am not worried in the least about this FUD. When purchased I priced out the breakeven miles to pay for battery replacement and made an informed decision with good understanding of risk.

[@darinladick6666]

Just get an extended warranty!

[@yeahbuddy92193911]

The model 3 and Y batteries should last 20+ years and more than 300k miles, and only cost 7k to 10k to replace.

[@S3XYEV]

Correct. The average driver will get a different vehicle long before the battery pack goes out of warranty! For everyone else, it’s gonna run 300K+ miles. And the battery pack will last at least 20+ years. 99% of Teslas have the original battery 🔋

[@ROCKOLA79]

I personally would not touch a new or used tesla with a 10 foot pole...My daily ride is a 2003 crown victoria base model 120k and still runs like new zero rust (I live in Florida) still reliable & dependable as the day is long and will go 375miles on a tank of gas which i can replace in about 5 minutes at any gas station all this for a car that only cost me 5k 2yrs ago. I am good with the old cv 🤗.

[@CIA_Is_aTerrorist_Orginization]

How many times per year do you actually drive more than 200 miles per day?

[@CIA_Is_aTerrorist_Orginization]

How many times per year do you actually drive more than 200 miles per day?

[@katherynscleaning5807]

So many autos go over 1 million miles and 100s of models do 600k plus do some rearsearch. I put 8ook on a Volvo and it was sold and running at 800k. I love Toyota hybrids 1.5 million miles and never waited for anything but a fill up.

[@saucyhighlights5534]

It’s mostly the battery that’s a big turn off. A minor crash or even the slightest dent could damage the battery pack. Also degradation of battery is what scares ppl off

[@gangatalishis]

The degradation isn’t even that bad. It’s overblown imo.

[@bluzbrother]

In the car engine world, they cost money to maintain, and less reliable over time. Engines and transmissions break down. Degradation sounds like a pretty harsh word to describe battery performance. I think depreciated capacity would be a better term…and variable based on each use case. I found a less than two-year-old model 3 with high mileage (81k)… the latter being a bigger selling point for me than age. It currently gets 257 miles when charged to 100%. I’ve had the car 6 months and have driven another 12k miles (93k mileage now).

[@joemadhomie]

I’m not a Tesla fanboy. the model y has dropped so much in Australia that it makes so much sense to buy as a second family car and run around.

[@dandee5770]

The message in this video is, dont buy a electric vehicle, in my opinion. Personally im my own person so i drive what suites my needs. If i want to switch from gas to electric, my choice. Have this guy owned an ev and has driven it over 250000km, to justify what hes saying. If he has really good. If not then........

[@ECPP]

Thanks and I had one for awhile but not 250000

[@bigeee3123]

There’s a flaw in your mental approach to EV batteries. You said their warranty for the battery is 8 years and after 10-12 years you’ll need to spend 20 grand to replace it. Here’s the deal, in 10-12 years an ICE car owner puts 180,000 miles on a car that 12 years old if we use 15k miles per year on the average. So, if you drive 180k miles in 12 years and your car gets 28 mpg you would have needed to purchase 6400 gallons of gas. If you paid say 3.75 per gallon and multiplied that by 6400 gallons, you’re looking at 24,000 dollars worth of fuel for 12 years. Now this 24k expense does not include oil changes, transmission oil changes, spark plug replacement, hoses, belts etc, you and easily and another 8kmfor maintenance bringing your total to 24k+8k= 32k costs after 12 years of ownership. Remember, that’s based off of 15k miles per year, if you drive 20-25k which I did, that number can balloon upwards. So tell me again the price of a new battery replacement? One more thing. In 10-12 years car batteries won’t be its current 20k. With advances in manufacturing, that battery will be around 12-16K and probably provide longer range.

[@ceege111]

This point about range is very good. With any luck we'll get LFP batteries that are more stable as well, making the car safer again. The author of the video has an agenda - he doesn't sell Teslas - only Tesla does. I have a 6 year old tesla that has 90% of it's original range. Which means it has 300 miles not 330. Which is fantastic. The battery does have some risk of failure but data suggests it's quite low. The range loss is quick down to 90% then the degradation is very slow after that. There are Teslas out there easily going half a million miles. Find a gas car that does that - and I'll show you a 1972 volvo.

[@KrogenDragon]

Tesla fan boys will never discuss battery failures as long as they are replaced under warranty. My neighbor has a Model Y that needed its battery replaced after only 2 years of ownership and 60k miles. Tesla will share the degradation numbers on high mileage Tesla's but they won't give us any data on how many cars have required battery replacement. I don't think Tesla has any interest on sharing with the public what percentage of their cars have had the batteries replaced. The average age of cars on the road in the US today is 12.6 years according S&P Global Mobility. People are keeping their cars longer than they ever have. I have a 21 year old Toyota Avalon with 235,000 miles on it with its original engine and transmission. I would love to see how many Tesla's make it to 21 years of age with 235,000 miles on the original battery.

[@gracelandone]

Only fair. The tax issue. As far as reliability and subsequent costs, they can talk to me after my 20 year old Impala and Explorer are hauled off dead. Until then….

[@SURENITY]

💯💯💯

[@SURENITY]

Same with my prized 2003 Acura MDX with 300k miles.

[@SURENITY]

After that, get another old reliable used car.

[@anthonydarko3472]

Listen, mann, I don't think anyone who plans on buying a USED tesla expect it to last for a decade, come on.😂 and then what? get a new battery into it and keep using the same old car after a decade, sir, please.😂😂

[@anthonydarko3472]

And even so by then it would have paid for that new set of battery anyways🤷‍♂️

[@ECPP]

That’s the exact problem as it’s out of date way before that, but also why many people like to keep their ICE vehicles longer. Did you also know now that the average ago of vehicles on the road is 12.7 years. That’s because people do not want to get gouged by the car dealers and would rather keep driving what they have?

[@Michaelphelps1017]

@@ECPPexactly

[@amg3078]

@@ECPP where I'm from most people get a new car every 3 years

[@philo441]

If you can only afford a used car, then you need to last more than 10 yrs. Then why build lemon cars that only last 10yrs or less. That's unnecessary waste and pollution

[@yeahbuddy92193911]

Wrong on the battery life. Some Teslas are cranking out 1 million miles, the newer 2170 packs should last 20 years and beyond. I wouldn't buy an early Model S though as Tesla was brand new in 2012 and just figuring out how to build cars. Only consider at least 2021+ years in my opinion, for the tech.

[@pbfoley]

Is it the mileage or the # of years that determine battery deterioration? I assume the former but am curious as I eye a 2018 Model X with 30k miles on it.

[@ChosenMJ]

Nice try. I'm happily buying a Model S in the next couple of months. I know way more than you only because over half of what you said is complete BS. 😂😂

[@jamessmyth5949]

EVs are very heavy with their traction motor batteries. A Tesla model Y rear wheel drive weighs 4213 pounds or 1911 kilograms for those in the metric system. So their owners should be paying for the wear and tear on the roads like every other motorist.

[@sunking2001]

Short term...long term...it costs you money for every revolution those tires make on the road. It is "how much" each revolution costs you. You either pay with your left hand or your right hand...either way you're going to pay...no matter what!

[@dongolahmed]

you're speaking about a new Model 3 in Europe !? this is an old video, right?

[@moose1485]

He's also saying battery replacements cost 25K LOL... this guy is confused.

[@motogp2375]

Looking to buy an X model for the sheer reason of driving 90 miles a day. If work was only 20 miles a day then I have no reason to buy one.

[@yeahbuddy92193911]

Model 3 and Y batteries last 500k+ miles and only cost 7k to 10k to replace when they do go bad. Meanwhile saving $3k per year in gas which cones out to $30k in gas and maint savings every 10 years.

[@S3XYEV]

Yup 👍 and at the used prices, heck just scrap it and buy another one!

[@vignesh7989]

Tesla model 3 long range or Camry SE (gasoline)?

[@phillyspitta8147]

Depends on your needs . I’d say go with the Camry if you travel just because you can get gas anywhere .

[@bosnianaviation5531]

I love Tesla

[@JayDaVillian1991]

You will not find an all electric vehicle under $60,000 used that is better than a Tesla. You actually convinced me TO BUY another Tesla. I can't wait to get me a Plaid for under $50k.

[@manoman0]

Sir, the Chevrolet Volt is one of the best EREVs out there. 160k miles and getting my 70-85 km out of a single charge.

[@MikeJones-tx6iu]

🤔…I’m here in the Nation’s Capital & lately I’m seeing paper tags on Tesla’s every where I look, more so than any other used vehicle. I guess people are following the Y.O.L.O motto 🤷🏾‍♂️👍🏾 !

[@1millionstartups]

I'm in DC too and I think folks in the know already got the memo on EV credits after election.

[@ECPP]

Haha yes indeed. people have it figured out I guess, lol

[@prawnshop4573]

Anyone who has tried to buy tesla spare parts know you need a presidential decree to be sold any part by the dealerships 😂

[@terl99]

Based on what data itˆs a given that batteries will need to be replaced after 10 years?

[@anthonydarko3472]

Exactly. And even with that, I believe most people who buy a used Tesla probably don't plan on using it for a decade or expect it to last that long.

[@jayson657]

The same reason used BMWs, Range Rovers and Audi are so cheap. They’re unreliable junk that cost a fortune to repair and most people are smart enough to not touch them with a 50 foot pole.

[@asajayunknown6290]

You forgot "gorgeous". Yes, definitely still junk, but seriously pretty all the way to the junkyard😊

[@niacal4nia]

Reminds me when they preferred horses to cars😂 I agree EVs are expensive and just like the early big screen TVs.

[@driver.gt1]

I expect a Tesla to be like an iPhone. Disposable after the battery goes unless it’s worth spending 20 k for a replacement battery!

[@CompressorSurge]

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a company that refurbishes them

[@k4everut]

I just flat out don't trust buying a new or used Tesla. The build quality on a Tesla is worse than the build quality of a 1990s Hyundai. I feel that there are valid reasons there are so many cheap used Teslas flooding the market right now, and it's not just Hertz that's concerned with the hidden maintenance cost of owning a Tesla. I don't want to own someone else's problem child. Plus, the insurance and registration cost are going up for Teslas. I was excited about EVs 2-3 years, but Tesla has killed that excitement. I'll pass..

[@kemangraya2382]

You think you save gas money. But when you have to replace with new batteries they cost much more than the gas money you’d saved. Conclusion, EV isn’t cheaper

[@joseorozco1383]

@8:35 - surprised me with the pyrotechnic edit 😆

[@xalleem8117]

The depreciation has a lot to do with Telsa flooding the market...all the drones have one..most common car on the road in OC Calif..supply and demand out the window😂😂😂😂😂

[@ECPP]

Yes indeed

[@richardperata3311]

Typical Tesla hater. My 2024 S has no fit and finish issues. The car is PERFECT. I know I will loose a sh*tload to depreciation in the first 5 years but I don't care, the car is awesome. So much misinformation, is anybody hearing of herds of people replacing Tesla batteries? I haven't, seems to be the huge exception, not the rule. Don't listen to this guy, if you find what you feel is a great deal on a used Tesla, go for it, you won't be disappointed.

[@asadb1990]

What i can't seem to communicate with those buying ev cars is that electric cars are not green as electricity still needs to be produced cleanly without hydrocarbons.

[@N20Joe]

That's the easy part with nuclear. The dirty part is strip mining all the battery metals and the spewing of those extremely toxic and dangerous elements back into the environment when one gets wrecked, junked, and/or catches fire.

[@caldera6869]

Not everyone buying EVs has bought into the climate activism agenda. Both types have their pro's/cons, not convinced either is significantly better in that area. If your aim is to limit human impact on earth vs using earth to maximize human flourishing, then your end agenda is depopulation with a fair bit of human suffering along the way.

[@BaconatorYummy]

But they are green to the cities. Driving around town polluted the air much less.

[@ferrynpalmer3875]

BEWARE....I love this channel when he's talking about ICE vehicles. He loses me completely when he does these EV videos. I have a Lexus LS 400....a BMW 3 series....and HAD a 2014 Model S that I just sold this past April. I sold it in preparation to purchase a new Tesla at EOY. He's WAY off the mark with this video. An old Model S, pre 2018.....I'd steer clear of. But any Model S newer, buy it. The model 3....I wouldn't buy a 2018 or 2019....but 2020 and newer BUY IT. You can get yourself into a 2022 Model 3 with under 40k miles for less than $20k before the tax rebate if you qualify. They are reliable....resarch just a bit. My 2014 Model S was WAY cheaper to own than both the BMW and Lexus that I own. He's speaking about the glass... My BMW had more glass replacements than the Tesla. I counsel everyone I care about to NOT consider depriciation. Why? Because if you're NOT buying the car with the intent to pay it off, then you're doing this thing wrong!

[@aeronYTco]

So, what do you think about the future of electric cars? Should you buy them or avoid them at all cost?

[@ECPP]

I am a believer in personal choice and they offer fun, sort of exonomical driving solutions, the certainly show their limitations and I personally am not in a rush as I prefer to stay “off the grid “ and I like to be able to travel anywhere. But with that said, the tech and batteries are likely Improving and ideally making things cheaper as more brands get on board so waiting is best not to mention alternative fuels like synthetics engineered by the Germans, or Hydrogen or the natural push back by buyers means to me, that it will never be totally mandated. Gotta do it for your own reasons

[@F_C...]

I found buying used teslas from dealers is a scam. They mark up the prices so high you may as well spend a few thousand extra & get a new one and get the full tax credit + warranty. Yet from what I hear people are still buying them.

[@michaelqu]

The only time I'd recommend an EV is to those who only drive to church on Sundays. At least they don't carbon up when driven very little

[@juanantoniopulido1645]

From Europe: I have recently purchased an used diesel car, 12 years old, for about 1/3 of its original price. An EV of that age is simply worthless.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

Give it a new battery pack and the EV will be better than new and the new pack will last over a million miles. The diesel will eventually quit.

[@heyitsjulius6233]

Just got rid of my Model 3 performance for a new Silverado. Never doing EV again. Model 3 was cool at first but all your gas savings are gone and then some with insane depreciation, way more than an ICE. So that’s not even a wash. Plus body repair costs much higher. And insurance usually higher. Tesla service also suckssss. Stay away.

[@Canadian_Gamer]

The build quality of a 90’s Chrysler my friend. Take a closer look at a 4-5 year old Tesla the next time you are out and about. Paint blistering, loose door handles, deteriorated weather stripping, delaminated clear coatings… absolute trash.

[@pedroferreira2871]

Many things you said aren't really true or just not a problem at all... For example the transformer argument, we will need more transformers around... How is that a problem? Have you stopped to think about the infrastructure needed for petroleum harvesting and processing? Besides, transformers are absolutely everywhere already. Full chargers: for day to day charging, one can charge at home, even if you live in an apartment. For longer trips, there are apps to tell which chargers are useable and Teslas can use other chargers, not just Tesla's. That's a problem that will get better and better each year. When gas cars first appeared, there were no gas stations around and look at the infrastructure today and a way more complex infrastructure than what electric cars need. Batteries: a Tesla battery lasts for 300 to 500k miles! The new LFP batteries are thought to last more than the triple of the cycles of the NMC batteries and more than 1 million miles. There are refurbished batteries for a fraction of the price and battery modules to repair when needed. But chances are that you will scrap the car before you replace a battery. Devaluation: that's exactly why we buy used Tesla's...

[@CollegeVybz]

Look at these big transformers. Well look at these Dinosaurs stations so huge. 😂

[@callmebigpapa]

This video is a filled with falsehoods. This is obviously a channel shilling for big oil. Downvoting this one but will check some of his other content maybe there is something there. Also note that the early American cars had terrible build quality and didn't even have basics like air conditioning or electric starters.

[@joesmith9483]

which electric car is the most durable and give you the longest lifespan?? It seems one has to be lucky for one of these electric cars to last 10 years.

[@courtneytedford]

The talent on display is incredible!

[@pbreedu]

If electric vehicles were truly a superior technology, governments wouldn't need to ban combustion cars. For example, I switched from a landline to a cell phone on my own because smartphones offered portability and apps that made the transition worthwhile-no government coercion was necessary.

[@rko1914]

One has nothing to do with the other. Some folks preferred a horse and carriage to the first Model T Ford. The difference is that we are addressing global warming and pollution using a cleaner energy source. Banning combustion engines is because they are dirty pollutants and contributor to poor air quality and global warming, not simply because of the technology. Its cleaner and cheaper for EV use over ICE. Superior technology also helps too though.

[@jeffgalef121]

Do you really think a Model S will depreciate to $0???

[@ECPP]

there will always be someone buying one so ....

[@jeffgalef121]

@@ECPP Soooo no, then? If you find a Model S for $0, let me know, yeah?

[@S3XYEV]

Ya they’re never gonna depreciate that much, but at these used prices, just buy another one! 😅

[@kingjulien9525]

1:21 fuel economy? I blame the return of the patch 😷🤣😂 Thank you for the free knowledge Sir.

[@ECPP]

Haha thanks

[@PeterWilliamson-nn9et]

Musk should start his own insurance company for Tesla s , rates for EVs is much higher than ice cars

[@bradleyw6970]

Where are they cheap exactly? Cus in canada they are still ridiculous if your talking about the Canadian market vrs the American market , then yes they are a lot cheaper in America but it appears your in canada so cheap they are not

[@ECPP]

Yes you are right and I have found Canadians get hosed on everything retail.

[@CarlosRodriguez-hb3vq]

Just drove from San Francisco to San Diego. Stopped once for 5 minutes for gas. Saw lots of Tesla owners sitting in their cars at chargers in BFE

[@AvengerAngel]

Tesla is like a cult. Taking ownership of a Tesla is like the story of Dr. Frankenstein and his monster, or the Rabbi and the Golem. Good luck.

[@ECPP]

Haha I love it

[@stockey]

Like Apple.

[@Rmmlom]

Cheap, not a thought, those cars are junk. What the battery cost more than the car, after depreciation. The sellers saying o" no they don't have any problems. Ya" right, right. Those cars don't sell. And it's because of the force push of electric cars. That truthfully are actually worse for the environment..! The cost of operation, time to charge, no station's, mechanic to fix them. Poor quality a known fact. Yes Sr. Nothing but problems..! One thing for sure, heat us an enemy of all electronic equipment. Any equipment or motors. Worse, intervention of the government in your personal life. Where are you. He ows money. Lock down his car so he can't use it, through satellite control. Electronic waves to your car..no, no, no, not even a thought.

[@kaijen2688]

You can pick up a 2 year old Tesla for about 20k. That gives you 6 years on the battery and about 90k before the warranty expires. I have racked up over 200k and still have 87% of the battery. How many ICE vehicles go 200k miles and still run like the day it rolled out.

[@jcherestal]

How often do you charge to 100? Or let it go below 20

[@kaijen2688]

@jcherestal it depends as an lfp I charge at home. When on trips I'll let ot get down to 20 and charge it to 80.

[@lot2196]

With batteries, is it miles or years? I hear a lot of ev fan boys claiming they got 250,000 or even 300,000 miles. I call bull because EV's haven't been out in quantities for very long. And if they did drive that many miles in 5/6/7 years that's a hell of a long time at charging stations, that i hear are nightmares. But forget that for a moment, is it the miles that affected battery life or just time. Please share your thoughts.

[@lot2196]

Even if they did charge at home, they would have to have charged on the road to put that many miles in such a short time.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

New batteries are going to have a million mile warranty.

[@kevoco8031]

im sure as more used Cars come into play they will make a cheaper Batterie or after market

[@eman0828]

They are Endless Money Pits - Scotty Kilmer :)

[@sydjaguar]

No money pit. Scotty is wrong cos he doesn't have a clue about EV..he is a bloody mechanic not an electrical engineer

[@ECPP]

And a mechanic who spends how much time actually wrenching in the last 29 years?

[@eman0828]

Not mention a used battery pack cost $19,000 which will end up as an endless money pit once another battery cell gets weak playing wack-o-mole. They are essentially throw away cars.

[@deweycheatemandhowe2446]

If you want an EV, I have a digital Rolex to sell...

[@thebrownthomascrown917]

Its the QC issues for me...shouldn't be that way on such a pricey car

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

Tesla brand new ev (model 3) is thousands less than the average US new car price. People never check facts before giving opinions on a subject.

[@thebrownthomascrown917]

@@EnriqueAThieleSolivan The Creator actually stated that Tesla has been undercutting the used car market for their cars. He also stated that the QC issues have been improving...what does that have to do with the USED cars from the brand?

[@ad7837]

Love this channel! Keep up the good work. I just purchased a Mach E and totally regret it.

[@SebasOcean]

Why?

[@tyty0071]

EVs are NOT ready for primetime. Dont be a hero, let somebody else storm the beach.

[@ECPP]

Cheers

[@kaijen2688]

And you are the reason the US auto industry is so far behind the Chinese. If it weren't for Tesla we wouldn't have a dog in the race.

[@jeffgalef121]

If the depreciation is so high, I don't understand why you're recommending people buy a new one instead of a new one. A new one would have the most to lose.

[@ECPP]

exactly

[@jeffgalef121]

@@ECPP So why are you recommending your viewers take the largest loss? Are you trying to screw people over???

[@hermanpeters549]

The hate on EV real but it shouldn’t be. How much do you save on gas for 10-12 years and no maintenance on EV. Factor that in and you’ll still be cheaper then gas

[@ECPP]

Thanks a lot, and yes its a very polarizing manufacturer. Many love them and many dont. Its largely a digital control thing and why people dont want anything to do with "being connected"

[@John-ny6yy]

Electric rates are sky rocketing, how can you even make a prediction like that with unknown variables..

[@markday5797]

Check on insurance rate, I understand that some insurance companies don't even wright contracts. Look before you leap.

[@hermanpeters549]

@@John-ny6yy how can you’ll not factor in that part. Most manufacturers are giving two years of free charge with EV go

[@dwnwind]

Overall picture. It may work for some car owners. But for me, I look at tire and battery replacement, insurance, lack of infrastructure, taxes. Not ready to drink the Kool-Aid.

[@quokkapirquish6825]

Food for thought there, great video once again. Here in the UK, the charging infrastructure is lacking and is expensive to access. Our domestic energy costs are insane compared to most other countries. So for the foreseeable future, I’m happy with my diesel Audi and petrol Toyota

[@ECPP]

Well said. I love modern turbo diesels a ton of power and a great economical Solution

[@TheBlkhwkcrew]

They have made enough money on us from gas to pave roads to heaven.

[@sydjaguar]

Battery prices are going down constantly man. Total BS. Stick to ICE

[@ECPP]

Thanks fornwatching

[@Yeumatoinhieu]

Because the dealers know there are some stupid people will come to the lot and buy one.😂😂😂

[@comptegoogle511]

The home charger will probably have a counter with an higher rate per Kwh.

[@nestorchavez2946]

Ev should be lifetime ownership.

[@wangkenneth]

Best plan would be to lease and never own a car. Write of lease payment as business expense and get a new car before the 8 year batteries warranty expires.

[@Rmmlom]

No matter the price of the EV they are a life time of spend, spend, spend. A headache for your pocket book and more your bank account..

[@ECPP]

Everything like this is by design

[@seanmcneil2903]

Beard > soul patch

[@ECPP]

for sure.....Video created before beard. Still rocking the facial bit

[@mariokuzminovic7122]

Don't lie to people of xou need change batery you don't need change whole batery, just replace cells who is dead.... Expense is 1000-2000$ max Lok at EVC company in Croatia and few of theme is on EU