Why V8 Engines Are Supercharged vs. Turbo😮| Explained Ep.6

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[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Bro keep breaking down the motors like this and you’re gonna go way up. People like me love this kind of stuff

[@x4tfxChallenger]

Factz

[@BrokeMahWallet]

Ong✅✅

[@BillyDaGoat1017]

I really don’t think he understands how up he’s gonna go!

[@hoagiewhap1006]

I agree Heavy 😂💪🏾like these videos are me when a friend asks just 1 simple question on air induction or some shit🤌🏾🤌🏾

[@BillyDaGoat1017]

@@hoagiewhap1006 lol real talk “Car tech for dummies” type book.

[@ChefofWar33]

That instant torque is such a beautiful thing for supercharged engines.

[@GewelReal]

Electrics smoke them anyway smh

[@bengtsson45]

@@GewelReal Pride month is over.

[@kikopasinecki5110]

@Gewel, I like to see how EV is going to smoke combustion engines in race like 24h LeMan or in some rally in Finland in minus 25 °C. Get your head out of your ass and understand EV are not ready to surpass gasoline engines in practicality and ecology, screw your green agenda and learn that to make one lithium battery you are polluting the earth like driving gasoline car for 10 years, and you have to change the battery after 5 years.

[@P71ScrewHead]

@@GewelReal yeah, but push it only once n battery goes low immediately, fuck that shit..

[@GewelReal]

@@P71ScrewHead that's why current electric cars are for suckers. I'm still waiting for vastly better and safer batteries to become available

[@billahler7728]

My limited experience between the two is the absolute and immediate brute force of a supercharger vs the mild start then overwhelming and uncontrollable kick from a turbo. Love this channel

[@KelvinSharp-s5s]

Nearly 30 years ago I was in charge of production at Sprintex Superchargers (In Perth West Australia ) where we built and exported over 1000 units to Art Whipple (which is now Whipple Chargers and run by his son in Fresno California) There is the common misconception that turbo uses "free" energy from exhaust gas. This is simply incorrect. Many years of R&D at Sprintex and any identical engine with equal amounts of intake manifold pressure. (e.g. 50kpa) will make pretty much the same net BHP. We did diesel, petrol, aircraft, industrial engines, marine and old and new engine design all with fantastic results. Turbos can not take advantage of natural exhaust scavenging either. I agree it is a bit of a historical thing also but Superchargers do sound great..👍🤪🦘

[@farayimatibiri1724]

U said it doesn't use exhaust gasses how does it work then would you care to explain?

[@gottliebdee263]

@@farayimatibiri1724 You missed the important word in his reply, "Free".

[@TTyote]

Gen 1 coyote can make 650hp safely with a vortech or Whipple, but It can make over 700hp with a single or twins without ripping the crankshaft input off, kicking a rod thru the side of the block. Turbochargers will always be easier on parts and more efficient because they do not have parasitic loss like a supercharger. This guy is smoking pole.

[@boost1728]

That limited experience must have been with improperly sized turbos and dumb Honda kids, because the right size turbo for whatever engine it’s on will provide more power everywhere- starting right off idle. Notably more than a supercharger.

[@theax40]

I've always preferred superchargers just because of the sound. They rev in sync with the engine, so you end up with a beautiful harmony of engine revs with supercharger whine and it's just the most glorious thing you've ever heard.

[@chrisg031]

10-4

[@brandonfairman4462]

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[@helloukw]

They do sound good indeed. I'm an European so I don't get to hear muscle car v8 that often, but when I do its amazing. Turbo chargers are also very popular in Europe because of evolution of diesel engines, which were the norm back in the day and which made small displacement diesel engines both powerful, with lots of torque, and economical. One of the best examples I can think of is BMW which for a 2.0 turbo diesel could get 60+ mpg while having 184 to 213 hp in 2008. Now it doesn't sound that much, but back then I was impressed.

[@julianbrelsford]

It sounds like a lot to me. Hardly any vehicles today can get 60mpg and produce 200 horsepower.

[@chrisg031]

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[@merkel2750]

Big props man, no nonsense, easy to listen to videos with heaps of awesome info on screen that goes along with your script, great job!

[@hamzamirza2004]

This channel is literally a heaven for car enthusiasts and people trying to increase their overall knowledge about internal combustion engines. These illustrations with the voice overs give a tremendous clarification of the engine. Keep up the good work brother!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Also check out driving 4 answers. He has more math in the videos and it's just beautiful.

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Literally was gonna say check "Driving 4 answers"too lol

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@Eduardo_Espinoza 😉

[@MitchM240]

You should look up the words “literally” and “Heaven”.

[@43griffins]

Fantastic vid

[@FreakyT333]

I’m a supercharger fan, mainly for the constant visceral experience from the drivers seat. However I also really like the rush of G’s that comes on when a higher boost turbo set up starts pulling hard. That hot V configuration is sick and having everything right there to work on is so nice. Killer vid man!

[@Rascofresco11]

It may sound silly, but if you ever get a chance.. drive a supercharged BRZ manual, you’ll never stop laughing.

[@Mr_OoOsH]

I much prefer having 500hp with a turbo than 500hp SC because the turbo car will be faster as it’s power increase is free of charge where the SC costs power to make power. I’m a practicality man. I’ve just turbocharged a 2005 ZX10R too and there is no lag.

[@ronaldjoseph9607]

Hot V is is sick, eh? *BMW N63 has entered the chat*

[@Adierit]

Yeah they're sick til you're blowing up your turbo constantly.

[@yousef.al-assaf]

@@Mr_OoOsH A SC car rated at 500hp is making 500 after the hp loss...

[@Mattax355]

As a Mopar tech of 23 years, I love your vids. Even though I am already very knowledgeable about the information you present, I still learn tidbits of new info you have taken the time to research and I haven't. Plus you present the info in an entertaining, straightforward and easy to understand format with good editing skills. Keep it up!

[@fendoski]

Im starting school soon to do a high performance automotive mopar course, as a technician with 23 years in how was your experience?

[@jeffgood6441]

What do you think of a 2.0 dodge neon with a 5th gen m45 supercharger and e85

[@TheGriphon]

Why not both ?

[@Abhishek-150]

Cost

[@keynang8046]

You can and people have, but its very expensive and takes a damn lot of tuning plus time

[@wil4741]

Old Detroit engines have a supercharger and a turbo. The supercharger is only there to blow fresh air.

[@BOMBON187]

Too complicated, I think Volvo had made one.

[@markedome214]

Talk to the Germans about this

[@miamisasquatch]

I think it's incredible what Ford has managed to do with the ecoboost series ESPECIALLY on the F-150. Superchargers can definitely get you more power now, but turbos can dramatically increase overall powerplant efficiency.

[@soulsweeper1630]

Actually turbos get more power than superchargers

[@mihneacireasa4613]

@@soulsweeper1630but akshually🤓🤓🤓

[@Marco-fi6gv]

​@@soulsweeper1630Ecoboost is turbo charged

[@VanquishedAgain]

The ecoboost is garbage man. At least for the feel of it.

[@deusexmachinamotorsports1505]

This Ford is the top dog when it comes to the big American three. Their passenger cars and SUV and nice. GM is only killing it because of the new Corvette and dodge jumped started the new muscle car era. But the dodge 1500 are kinda cheap looking. GM the king of V8s still sucks at making v8s

[@rcauthen324]

The problem with hot Vee turbos is heat management. These engines generates a ton of heat and are hard to keep them cool. BMW's first N63 engine (twin turbo Hot Vee) was a disaster; trust me I had one (2010 550i). There were issues with the turbos coolant/oil lines, burning oil; killing batteries because the fan would run for a long time to cool the turbos. I can say BMW improved the engine with each technical update (TU) such as N63TU1-N63TU4. Over the years, I had a '14 550i, '18 M550i and currently a '21 M5 Comp (uses S63 engine with better internal parts) and had no issues (looking for some wood to knock on)! 😄 Last, going forward ('23 models), BMW will only use their M division new plug in hybrid V8 engine (S68) in all their V8 models (the engine will be detuned to differentiate true M cars versus M performance models.

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

This guy knows his BMW V8s very well

[@pestoking2469]

What’s your profession?

[@neohimself]

"Z06 heat soak" just came to my mind. still, i get your point, its more of a turbo thing.

[@y0Special]

N63 are just absolute trash. M60 was great, M62 already had chain guide problems. N62 took that over and also added valve stem seals to the list. N63 took all these problems and added turbo related problems. Seems as if every iteration just gets worse. BMW V8s are made out of glass. Only get an N63 car if its just had a replacement engine or everything has been replaced before the ticking time bomb comes around

[@cartere9981]

My uncle had a 650i one of fhe pistons seized from all the excessive heat I'm assuming. The motor was completely toast

[@Bamfhammer]

As a former N63 owner, the hot V definitely needed work when it came out. Regularly cooking the oil in the turbos is a terrible side effect, but as he says, it was easier to work on them being up top.

[@louistru8652]

That engine was so unreliable like any BMW engine that’s not a straight 6, the N54 too 💀

[@Bamfhammer]

@@louistru8652 I think the N20 motor is pretty good. Underrated anyway.

[@billyowusu48]

@@louistru8652I love both my n63 and n54. N54 is less needy but that’s expected

[@BVonBuescher]

As an N54 owner I can bear witness to the labor intensive component of ownership. Still. Love the platform

[@Demoxx1]

Hot v turbos are improving from what they originally used to be

[@GioBMX]

Gotta remember the biggest thing. You were close to saying it. V8s make more low end torque than 6 and 4 cylinder engines. Super chargers give instant torque better for low end power. Turbos build peak boost later in the rev range better for DOHC high revving engines. Usually v8s aren’t Devine as high. Also V style engines are wider making it harder to fit snails next to the heads. Super chargers sit snug on top of the intake manifold

[@cognition26]

That's with old turbos newer turbos spin up way faster can make power as low as 2.5-3k rpm.

[@timtresch4848]

That kinda goes both ways though, because supercharging the i6's and i4's could help offset their relative lack of Torque. I think its mainly down to the fuel costs in US vs EU, Euro car manufactures focused more on turbos because they knew their customers demanded better fuel efficiency due to the higher cost of gas in EU, not to mention the EU's stricter gas guzzler taxes and so forth, which the US stupidly followed suit with later.

[@12pawsinn]

A properly sized turbo can start spooling at 2100 rpm. But then fail on the top end of the rpm. But a twin turbo setup matched correctly has both low and top end.

[@charlieodom9107]

So, my truck makes peak power at 3,000 rpm, and it is turbo charged. It makes very little power at high RPMs, so that kinda blows your stupid comment out of relevancy, huh?

[@CodenameOliver101]

@@charlieodom9107 damn bro chill we’re all learning

[@leowalless9328]

Great video. Worth noting that the first superchargers used on automobiles were developed by Paul Daimler in the early 1920's. Having previously worked on Roots style compressors for WWI aircraft engines he went on to build World beating race engines for Mercedes, thrashing competitors like Bentley at the Nurburgring etc.

[@SonikDethmonkey]

I’m pleased to see this comment. Daimler/Mercedes played a HUGE roll in bringing superchargers to to cars. Personally one of my favorite supercharged engines of all time is AMG’s M113K.

[@1xBossup]

Damn what a life he lived

[@JFateburn]

The explanation of the inherent differences between the two was clear as day. Don't know why I was never able to get a clear answer for forced induction comparison back then. Thank you for making this video

[@ElMittens]

Man I’m not one to ever comment on videos but I HAVE to say this. I agree with everyone else. Your last 5 ,6 videos ?! Are amazing. I binged watched all of them. You’re knowledgeable , articulate very well , and we can all FEEL the passion you have for this shit. Props bro. These videos are gonna take you places you haven’t even realized yet. Wishing you all the love and blessings brother.

[@BlackHamed]

FYI

[@mikestewart9088]

LOL! You had me dead when you were talking about the power steering pump! Just discovered your channel recently and love the work

[@DaInfamous0ne]

"You know when there's a supercharger under the hood or you're low on power steering fluid" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Touché

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

I've always loved having a built high compression naturally aspirated engine. Something about the drive ability and sound with them even though they don't make as much power after a certain point, they're just way more fun to drive for me.

[@nwabuezeozuzu6370]

Same here. That's why I enjoy my M62TU (BMW 5 series)

[@boost1728]

Drivability is ruined with remarkably high compression, not improved, but sure

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

@@boost1728 Mine were all completely streetable and daily driven with 13.5-14:1 compression. No issues.

[@boost1728]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 ​​⁠throttle-sensitive, noisy as hell, lurching at stop lights the list goes on. You have fun with all that. The rest of us will stick with 10:1 and a turbo, make twice as much power as you, be able to put the car in gear and idle through a parking lot without all the nonsense. To each their own. Some people like to show off their slow and obnoxiously loud small block, some people appreciate a comfortable and reliable 1,000hp.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

@@boost1728 I have none of those issues, for the second time. My vehicles run 100% everytime. Everyone of my friends boosted vehicles are constantly broken or having "tune issues", the fact you think 1000hp Boosted is more daily drivable is laughable, so whatever you're smoking in fantasy land, keep on keeping on, jack.

[@Yournotawhat]

First timer viewer here; I had to hit subscribe! I really appreciate you sticking to the facts. And providing thorough well researched information. 👍🏾

[@Vizr]

I’m glad I found this channel. Easy to understand break-downs and I’m learning more and more. Thanks man!

[@asabennett1153]

Check out his TikTok account there’s a lot more too

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@asabennett1153 Does he have Instagram?

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Fun Fact: One of the early prototypes for the BMW N54 was a positive displacement 3.0 Inline 6. They obviously ended up going with a twin turbocharged setup

[@amorag59]

You mentioned positive displacement in your other comment, what do you mean by positive displacement? because engines tend to not be the best descriptor of that phenomenon.

[@younkinjames8571]

I have a 535xi with that engine configuration. It rips. But I'll take it down with my naturally aspirated hemi magnum...until the 1st bend of course

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

@@younkinjames8571 you supercharged an n54?

[@BigUriel]

@@amorag59 I think he meant supercharged, of which a positive displacement supercharger is a type. Roots blowers and twin screws are positive displacement pumps, as opposed to say a centrifugal supercharger which is a dynamic pump.

[@saltymahero9898]

@@BigUriel great answer.

[@purestress2597]

important thing to note. A supercharger with a pressure bypass that allows n/a performance off and partial throttle only draws as much load as an unloaded alternator

[@Imarida2]

I just love ice. Electric motors have no soul or character. Every different ice configuration singles v4,6,8,10,12- i2,3,4,5,6,8- wenkel, rotary- opposed cylinder- diesel. They all have a different feel sound and power characteristics. With a small powerful motorcycle you are literally riding on 10's of thousands of controlled explosions per minute and hundreds of explosions per second. Its amazing to think about the symphonies of timing and complex mechanical movements that accomplish the feat.

[@ProjectRaijin]

The fact you don’t have millions of subscribers already is mind blowing to me, you break down everything better than some companies do in their marketing material (350k as of writing is a crime)

[@UnkRCP]

found you on tik tok....staying cuz of the youtube! great educational pieces

[@roche1517]

I found him on Instagram

[@jayswisher575]

I love the look of the computer generated cars and engines and engine parts. Really really liking this channel. Keep it up! As long as you keep posting videos with awesome footage and those amazing 3d animations I’m gonna hang around!

[@diarrheadisastr2114]

Dude, excellent video and a great balance of being informative but not overly technical. You've got a new subscriber!

[@jyx6626]

I think u should mention that newer higher Cost turbo models have a System where if u shift the air valve opens and lets air pass through the turbo so it won't have a turbo lag anymore and has nearly constant power

[@ManyArmedMooseDei]

One thing you must admit though, is that high performance turbo noises sound pretty damn cool, especially with a blowoff valve and manual transmission. But supercharger whine is so choice.

[@darrenrausch5876]

The exhaust fluttering sound of twin turbos is super sick though.

[@hazardeur]

im not an expert by any means but aren't those just flutters (i take it you mean the crackles and pops?) intentionally programmed misfires that could occur just as well on any engine setup?

[@HondaEnjoyer12]

@@hazardeur he’s talking about the blow off valve sound not exhaust sound

[@SeeFlow-bo1dl]

@@HondaEnjoyer12 Or a turbo with no blow off valve that just ends up having air go back through it

[@HondaEnjoyer12]

@@SeeFlow-bo1dl yeah that is true in this case

[@AdamHemi]

The sheer amount of mechanical knowledge shown in your videos is truly impressive.

[@louissnipe6778]

With these engine explanations. This is now my favorite automotive channel.

[@Altanabstick]

Thanks for understanding the difference between boost threshold and turbo lag! Very clearly explained, makes me happy

[@user-wb1sw1tn6c]

The main reason is tradition. Muscle car guys are notoriously resilient to innovation. That’s why you see so many still use carburetors at the drag strip.

[@jwilson3663]

Such good educational vids brotha. Keep ‘em coming, absolutely love them.

[@brett7761]

I don't know if the European engineers came up with the hot v first, but I've seen that setup in a v-12 diesel engine and it was for oil field fracking operations which is probably not the only application. It had 4 turbos and I was really having a hard time figuring out the plumbing since it wasn't torn apart. It was an absolute maze of piping lol.

[@michaellin2493]

Great content, I'm glad that I found your channel, super informative. man you really deserve 1 million subs.

[@337speed]

😭 thanks really appreciate it

[@simontist]

One other thing about hybrids is that the electric motor is well suited to give a quick boost and compensate for turbo lag. The two fit really well together (e.g. McLaren P1)

[@kingdongo4388]

No because hybrids are heavy

[@SeeFlow-bo1dl]

@@kingdongo4388 They dont have to be

[@kingdongo4388]

@@SeeFlow-bo1dl What’s weight is a heavy hybrid to you?

[@SeeFlow-bo1dl]

@@kingdongo4388 p1 is 3000lb... a chiron is 4400lb.

[@craigr.h.laurent240]

Thank you! Your narration was clear and highly detailed without repetition.

[@king_gold7211]

I appreciate your videos, you explain everything well and the examples are different from everyone else that i’ve watched.

[@JessSimpson1313]

This is an amazing video, thank you for sharing. Look forward to watching more. One thing on hot-v systems not noted is the heigher center of gravity due to the weight of the turbos/etc being moved up higher in the car.

[@abrahamogunkola7722]

I LOVE THESE TYPE OF VIDEOS!!!!!, keep up the good work!!!!!

[@landocommando7321]

me 2. who knew engines could be so interesting

[@plepgeat]

That was an EXCELLENT explanation of turbo lag and boost threshold!

[@kai-el7868]

I definitely plan on keeping my 1999 SVT Lightning and my 2014 F-150 Ecoboost. Both trucks have 2 completely different personalities. The Lightning will instantly light the tires, pushing me back in the seat and there's the lovely exhaust note and supercharger whine. I actually most times forget that the Ecoboost has forced induction because of its lack of noise from the turbos and its power delivery being very different than that of my Lightning.

[@xmo552]

The Lightning doesn't impress me. The Ecoboost has impressed me with its towing capabilities.

[@savagenewmexico]

Great video, I appreciate the hard work you put in to making these engine breakdown videos, keep it up!

[@corystansbury]

As was probably already mentioned, twin screws are somewhat rare these days; principally limited to the IHI Hellcat blowers. Pretty much everything else in recent history has been Eaton TVS Roots.

[@TimFavorite-ql8si]

Keep the faith gear heads, EV sales are falling, the combustion engine will not go quietly into the night.

[@BulkMuIch]

The CT5-V is genuinely one of the most underrated of all time

[@joshr7434]

Keep it up man!

[@gabeshaw3721]

Hearing him say “we were at the peak of internal combustion engines” was so bittersweet. RIP Camaro RIP Hemi 💔

[@ValenThePowerful]

as a self taught mechanic, videos like this are really helping me expand my knowledge. keep it up man! hope you can cover the advantage and disadvantage of an H pattern gear box vs sequential gear box

[@gcook619]

Sequential being in a specific order more so disadvantage would be not going from 1st to 3rd etc like an H pattern could! Advantages over H pattern less shift time no miss shifts etc! That help any??

[@ValenThePowerful]

@@gcook619 nah I already know that. but need a more in dept explanation

[@leftyeh6495]

Sequencial are often only designed for racing, and will have features such as straight cut gears (stronger but lots of gear whine), and the ability to slam shift. You can take the pressure off them by blipping the throttle and just mashing the lever forward or backwards to shift. H pattern is generally able to be shifted fairly quick, but it's hard on the synchros trying to jam gears if you even can at all. You can float the gears without touching the clutch by rev matching but it's way slow.

[@mohammedfareed9581]

Love my hot V amg c63s. The way that the turbos just light up right away and take off is addicting, it’s such a violent car

[@DaRealFantomas]

Would be cool af to see more cars use both supercharger and turbocharger

[@CarputingYT]

I think the "peak" of internal combustion is only limited by metallurgy. 50 years ago blocks couldn't take nearly any boost. Nowadays you see 20PSI without thinking much of it, upwards of 100+PSI on all out race builds. Maybe one day technology will be good enough, and trickle down cost wise enough, that we can cost-effectively have super-strong engine internals and make massive power. That would only be for dedicated enthusiasts though, no doubt all production cars are going to become electric, I think internal combustion will eventually be left solely to the aftermarket. You still have people that like living their lives without electricity or anything like that... Some people just never change, and there will always be a niche for internal combustion, even if it fades away from the main spotlight.

[@troypatillo1688]

Well said.

[@BigUriel]

50 years ago nobody made engines with forced induction so there was no reason to fit very strong connecting rods. These engines are turbocharged from factory, naturally the internals are designed to take much more abuse. It's the choice to use boost that has led to manufacturers fitting stronger internals, not the other way around. You're right in the sense that improvements in metallurgy are part of this but mainly on the turbos side rather than the blocks. It used to be much more difficult to machine a turbo with enough precision that it wasn't unbalanced and now we have superalloys that combine light weight, high strength and high tolerance to temperature. We also have direct injection and advanced engine electronics management to make it all work together, turbos and carburettors don't go very well together.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

Idk I mean the grid can't sustain electric cars though

[@leftyeh6495]

Blocks could take it. The Ford big block 352 loves boost. The pistons, rods, and head gaskets were not there yet in metallurgy or design to take big power though. Even today I'm having issues finding anyone that wants to supply forged rods, pistons, and crank so I can see what 40psi in a Ford 352 will do to my galaxies

[@autophreaktrishield]

1962 and 1963 Oldsmobile took the Buick Aluminum 215 v8 and turboed it from the factory

[@KingDavidV8]

Great content! I love how you present the info and compare like for like performance and hp between the supercharged cars vs turbo equipped cars! Thank you!

[@whyjnot420]

I love the idea of twincharging setups like Lancia did with the S4. I.e. having both a turbo and a supercharger. A little crazy for a daily driver though.

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

Volvo has been making twincharged engines in their T6 and T8 models for the past 6 or 7 years, unfortunately they're quite issue-prone.

[@BigUriel]

Nowadays it's also an overly complicated and unnecessary solution. Modern turbos have a very wide usable range, not like those old turbos that were useless before 3500rpm, plus many cars now have 48V mild hybrid systems which can be used to drive an electric compressor on the turbo.

[@whyjnot420]

@@BigUriel Won't stop me from loving them due to the audacity of the fundamental setup. (not to mention that when they work, they really work) On the note of hybrid designs of any nature. These will not even come into play when I am entertaining the idea of a twincharged mid engine setup like the S4. They are just something else, as in 'does not apply'. To twist a line from history DAMN THE MERITS, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!!. :P

[@mistersomaru]

I mean, when they were still in their rally days, Lancia was crazy in general.

[@whyjnot420]

@@mistersomaru Modern day Lancia gives so few fucks that "Stratos" means so little to them, they have literally given up any legal claim to the name. I mean, its better than sitting on that name and doing nothing with it. But still. wtf Lancia. Lancia's likely answer "minivan go putputputput."

[@VanguardDetonados]

for me the big plus in SC is that they don't cook up the car oil like high end aftermarket turbos do. But in stock cars it's just a matter of preference, really.

[@SJR_Media_Group]

We have been using a hybrid Supercharger / Turbocharger setup running in Series. Supercharger provides instant power and a linear boost curve. Turbos have both lag and exponential boost curve. When it spins twice as fast, it provides 4 times, not 2 times boost. We feed our Superchargers with boost from a Turbo. No lag, linear boost, and when Turbo spools up the boost, it reduces pumping loses in Supercharger. When boost is sufficiently high from Turbo, the Supercharger doesn't need to use power to also provide boost. However it continues to provide linear boost control.

[@MightyTubbyTuba]

we can argue which sounds better but it's superchargers

[@HOTPLATEGAMING]

As a European, I love supercharged V8 over turbocharged V8

[@mypronounismaster4450]

horse--> steam engine ---> gas engine ---> EV ---> horse

[@zaccorpseman7366]

No kidding

[@Beegpapijimbo]

Superchargers have their own auditory appeal but a turbo that's allowed to really breathe just sounds perfect. Even my 2.0L boxer sounds like a monster sucking in air after putting a high flow intake and a new bypass valve in

[@im-not-me893]

If you’re looking for crazy unique sounds there’s nothing better than a twin supercharged, twin turbo, two-stroke Detroit Diesel 12V71.

[@BillyDaGoat1017]

I like twin turbos and superchargers But the sound of rolling anti lag is just second to nothing

[@GAMRMNTS2]

💯

[@platano4924]

Naturally aspirated with ITB… ❤

[@-tarificpromo-7196]

@@platano4924 loud and slow, let me guess you drive stick shift

[@silviannistor]

@@-tarificpromo-7196 tell me you were born in the backseat of a tesla without actually telling me that you were born in the backseat of a tesla. Passion for cars has nothing to do with actually going fast or stomping on a single pedal like a zombie. But what do you know, you re 8

[@Cameronb.1026]

Fuck it. Twin charge everything.

[@gameonyolo1]

Only correct answer. Pros of both, cheap, simple, and great response.

[@ZHyper48]

Lancia put that in the s4, supercharger for low revs and turbocharger for high revs. Haven't seen or heard of it since then, maybe it wasn't cost efficient idk.

[@chiragghuman]

Cool video. Superchargers are the best thing that ever happened to Forced Induction. Turbos are just a compromise. I can live with a couple less ponies since in any case I'm getting over 500 HP but the instant boost throughout the power band - PRICELESS! Not to mention that Eargasmic Supercharger Whine. Amazing!

[@BuzzedtheTower]

Your channel is awesome. I love that the algo recommended it. If you aren't already, I'd love a video talking about the differences/pros and cons between single, twin, and sequential/compound setups

[@moeguns9477]

This channel needs more recognition. Keep em coming man.

[@chrissmith-rv5ro]

It seems to me that supercharging still requires big displacement to make a lot of power. And turbos aren't parasitic to run.

[@troypatillo1688]

True. I see a lot of Civics with turbo kits. Never seen one with a SC.

[@PhatMikeSP1]

@@troypatillo1688 back in the early 2000s there were supercharged civics, namely Jackson Racing, but turbo civics were faster. I have to agree that displacement plays a big role in turbo vs supercharger.

[@DuBstep115]

@@troypatillo1688 I have BMW Z4 with supercharger. Stock makes 231hp & 300Nm mine makes 330hp & 380Nm

[@troypatillo1688]

@@DuBstep115 I’m not sure if you’ve made any mods on the outside but I’ll bet that’s a hell of a sleeper.

[@troypatillo1688]

@@PhatMikeSP1 Yep that’s a good point. I’ll have to look up Jackson Racing to see if they have some vids.

[@lukedavis4760]

I agree this videos are unique and I look forward to seeing the newest videos in this series. Do one on Subaru motors and why they suck.

[@Matt-qo8ht]

There ok, if you baby them and let the oil get up to temp before going anywhere

[@Jakalwarrior]

Superchargers are also more engaging to drive. You have a direct connection to the throttle. Most people enjoy that more than the delayed disconnected feel of a turbo.

[@SonikDethmonkey]

Not only has turbo technology come a LONG way but other technologies that are developing in parallel have also essentially eliminated all the downsides typically associated with turbocharging. DSG/DCT transmissions allow quicker shifts which help to retain boost between shifts, electric motors can act as fillers to provide power in the low end before reaching max boost, and a properly tuned turbo engine will also be much more fuel efficient.

[@WJHandyDad]

that was so awesome to watch. Nothing like hearing a supercharger whine!!

[@The_Drive_Inside]

Turbos are also very sensitive to temperature so in order for them to be a ✌🏻set it and forget it✌🏻 type situation they have to be dialed back… Also the supercharger is only affected by the intake side of the engine and has amplified effect on the exhaust🤤. Keep all this good stuff coming man!!🤙🏻

[@mizaqenyad4269]

None of that makes sense 😂

[@xKraZeSc0p3z]

@@mizaqenyad4269 makes perfect sense your comprehension is just low

[@midnight347]

What do you mean it's only effected by the intake side? Not sure what you're trying to say there. And what do you mean it has to bs "dialed back"? It seems like you only partially know what you're talking about and you're just making the rest up as you go lol.

[@mizaqenyad4269]

@@midnight347 exactly hahah. Like the fuck

[@The_Drive_Inside]

@@midnight347 turbos run off exhaust side…superchargers are on the intake… to get max effort out of turbos they take constant tweaking to keep up with temperature swings… superchargers do not. I understand if you don’t get it

[@Max.44]

For me the power delivery is key. I like drifting, the linear power delivery and immediate response of superchargers make them much more fun than turbos for going sideways.

[@MiGujack3]

I'm not sure about that, most drift cars use turbos and stay on the powerband most of the time, the benefits of a supercharged are much lower.

[@Max.44]

@@MiGujack3 It is much cheaper and easier to work on especially with something like a 3l 6 cylinder in most drift cars. However a big v8 with a supercharger offers much smoother control than a more common turbo engine putting out the same power.

[@SeeFlow-bo1dl]

@@Max.44 Pretty much all drift cars use turbos... When you're drifting you usually don't go under 3500rpms between drifts... Look at the most popular drift cars: BMWs, Hondas, Toyotas, etc... It's much more rare to find them supercharged.

[@TheFluffyWendigo]

Installing turbos are very time consuming in regards to superchargers. At least in my experience

[@zeno15sti33]

Really really really depends on the setup , and how much bang for your buck your trying to get out of it.

[@paulchandler427]

i was watching, watching, watching > then u said "or your low on Power Steering Fluid" I knew u were an old school car guy. Big smile on this side.

[@jasonbyassee7541]

In 1986 I received a Mustang SVO. My dad knew some folks and I got it making 18 psi. That was more than enough to rival the GT’s and Z28’s of its time. I’m definitely a big fan of turbos. There are little tricks to get into the boost faster.

[@eac1235]

I'm very certain at 18 psi your engine reliability went to hell in a handbasket! The valves would have been fried in less than 40k.

[@jasonbyassee7541]

@@eac1235 the engine was fine, but they had to replace the turbo sooner than expected. When they replaced the turbo it only made 12.5 psi. It felt so slow after that.

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Best supercharged Positive Displacement V6 engines: Audi 3.0 V6 supercharged ( ex.B8 and B8.5 S4) Mercedes 3.2 V6 Supercharged (ex. Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 and SLK32 AMG) Jaguar 3.0 V6 Supercharged (ex. Jaguar XE 35T R-Spec)

[@lmh2695]

audi 3.0 v6 is probably one of my favorite engine nothing can beat that sound😍

[@imjoeking_]

Damn no 3800

[@felixwankel3989]

Forgot the GM 3800

[@Mik3y2087]

The supercharged engine in the Crossfire was the main reason why I bought it. Loved every minute of owning it. It’s a rare gem that didn’t get the recognition it deserved.

[@DuBstep115]

@@Mik3y2087 No LSD, 350hp and sh*tty transmission is why I sold my C32 AMG and got e46 M3

[@Osamabeenleanin210]

Low on power steering fluid🤣🤣🤣.....that ish hit home😮‍💨

[@stickyfingers6541]

Bro nice brake down.....but a camero zl1 against a porsche 911 as in diagram towards the end can't be correct even in a quarter mile the 911 gaps the camero and finishes a full 1sec faster and that's alot in a 1/4 mile...much love 0:07

[@funkybird6377]

Whikka corvette has rwd and porche awd

[@Gwarnine]

Dude you are so spot on. We’ve reached near complete mastery of ignition, air flow and fuel delivery. For example, back in Harley Davidson’s early years, you used to have to control the ignition timing on the left bar and the throttle on the right bar, technology would allow this to be controlled via the crank position sensor, move along to fuel injection and electronic throttle control (originally designed and utilized by aviation) “fly by wire” brings more granular fuel dispersion, and now thanks to advances in metallurgy and material sciences we we no longer ask for atmospherically appropriate amounts of air, we demand the proper fixed rate according data the ecu collects every cycle. I’d still like to see a supercharged v8 with an electronic valve train before the world goes full electric. Total shot In the dark, but if it were possible to have the super charger run off a battery or series of capacitors that would be fucking perfect. 😅

[@joshtheking1772]

Nice video. Im an engine builder and I get the same question on everybuild, well 95% of them anyway. Whats better a Turbocharger or a Supercharger? I laugh, and the question after that is, ALWAYS. Why are you laughing? Then I know I'm gonna have a long interview. My worst customers are the "Street Outlaws" fans. I asked one customer if he was willing to shell out $175,000 to build his Camaro. He said why is it so much? I went through everything with him, and he decided to go Supercharged and I got him in a 750hp Street Car for $78,000 out the door. Saw him the other day. Car still works and looks amazing and he thanked me. My best customers by a LOOOOOONG margin are my K20 Comptech Supercharged Honda kids. Those kids are punching 400hp little 4 bangers and they love em. Those little buggers fly. My turbo guys are usually Audi`s, Mercedes, Toyotas, etc. Those guys usually just come in for re-welds and tuning with the occasional Tranny and Diff rebuilds. You see it on TV all the time with people wanting 1,000hp builds but out of a couple hundred engines, I've only had 3 or 4. They still run and are blister fast but its rare you get those people in reality. I think most of my customers are LS V8's NA that are hitting about 750 hp.

[@brandonbaptiste]

I don't think the petrol engins are going to go away let alone quickly like everyone thinks. Fingers crossed I'm right for all our motor head sake.😉😊 what I think may in time give the super charger a run for its money is the electric turbo like Porsche has patented and tinkering with. As the technology grows for that it will be interesting to see how that goes. Because charging and batteries needed to power the electric to spool it. How long can it go how many hits can you get out of a charge. Space saver though because no longer need to hook to exhaust manifold so you can kinda put it where ever it seems. It will be interesting.

[@TaLiiWaG]

An electric muscle car is not a thing.

[@spinstormofficial5593]

I agree

[@goldenc4770]

I also agree

[@xmo552]

It's a lady-toy

[@kace2852]

5:30 yesss broooo I'm telling you. That's why I hate EVs and how companies are bending to it. ICs are incredible inventions, I refuse to believe humans are not God's creation.

[@zackgatopolus9851]

So glad you mentioned the 3.0 supercharged audis

[@luTvVlogs]

You got me when you said we are the peak of internal combustion, you’re not wrong we have gone such a long way

[@dennis17116]

Less expensive and compact. Less piping. Superchargers are inferior to turbocharging. You loose to much hp turning a supercharger.

[@mrbig7718]

1 year later, EV market starts falling 😂

[@hoost3056]

It's about torque curves and how it feels, plus let's face it......OEMs are naturally conservative and copy each other. The hot V is a mistake. With the concentration of heat in a smaller space, seals, gaskets and other small parts are exposed to higher temps and the breakage increases. We are not gonna even talk about the sensors and other electronics in the V. With the turbo tech available today, you don't need a hot V to make life happen, it's just a money hustle.

[@khathn4200]

I just wanna know how is the stock flat line in a regular c8, is producing 450+, then they Chevy advertising that the flat plane can produce so much more power being N/A

[@khathn4200]

In the z06 c8, I’m just wonder how can you yield so much hop in a N/a

[@TURBOMIKEIFY]

Since I was a kid, I always associated superchargers with American Muscle/V8's in general. Playing many racing games at that age, I learned that through Midnight Club and Need For Speed.

[@chrisbebensee334]

Excellent presentation! Most KZbinrs are just motor mouths that edit and string together the facts and figures that they read off Wikipedia. They keep every word and sentence back to back with no time to digest what you're being told. You managed to deliver information at an excellent pace while still giving the viewer time to comprehend what you're saying.

[@billymania11]

Both supers and turbos are good. Turbos are more expensive and require more detailed engineering. The supers are easier to retrofit to good o' push-rod engines. Everybody wins! I also own a Tesla dual motor and that is fun too, but in a different way.

[@2A5X4A]

Personally I like both, but with my capabilities I prefer push rod v8s, easy to work on, way less complicated comepare to Europeans, that’s why I own a dodge.

[@zapa47]

I dont think EV will naturally become more desirable until charge time is in the 10 min range. On a road trip, adding 30 min for every 200 to 300 miles in a top of the line EV is silly. EVs are awesome but not close to ubiquitous. I have a Sienna hybrid that can go 600 miles easy on one tank and its way more spacious and practical than any tesla.

[@mommaduck79]

I think the main problem is how much they discharge when you put your foot down. I don't think you can even drive an EV on the street hard for an hour before it runs out of charge. that 200-300 miles becomes

[@tankerd1847]

I think hybrid is the way and manufacturers and governments are painting themselves into a corner with the material supply chain and electrical grid problems mass implementation of EVs are going to bring about. It's all sunshine and rainbows right now because Western governments have tunnel vision on emissions and OEMs can only think about getting government money in their accounts and regulators off their backs.

[@jayartz8562]

@@mommaduck79 Drive any car on the street real hard for an hour and you'll be loosing your licence.

[@Bob_Lob_Law]

It's weird how you people always put ridiculous unnecessary and impractical requirements. Requirements that also get more stringent over time. It's always I dont think it will happen until X. But X changes... and it is already happening.

[@Diogenes_von_Sinope]

my 2013 VW has both, a supercharger and a turbo on its 1.3l engine. peaks at 180 hp. fun little car.

[@Ballacha]

One thing you forgot to mention is that pushrod crossplane v8s all have super long stroke which makes the engine itself very torquey at lower rev ranges. That means these engines care less about parasitic loss at superchargers’ typical spool-up rpm than engines produce peak torque/power at higher rev ranges. So superchargers are definitely less “inefficient” on these engines and don’t give you the feeling of as if you are sacrificing low end power for a bit more power under higher rev. So long stroke v8s are pretty much the only engines left where superchargers nearly make about as much sense as turbos. But in any case, turbos are always from slightly to a lot more efficient and can be put on all kinds of engines regardless of where the peak torque is. I love my 4b11t and the fact that at 3,000rpm, it transforms from a grocery getter to a proper little pocket rocket.

[@puebespuebes8589]

I'll take a Lancia Delta, both is better