Why Valves New Shooter Is Not For You - Deadlock Impressions

[@eatcho_]

It is MUCH less a “shooter” and much more a MOBA. It is essentially Smite with guns. The main obj isn’t to play for kills, but to get your currency up for items/upgrades. From what I have seen all shooter focused content creators HATE it and MOBA creators generally like it bc they don’t market to the target audience enough.

[@deddrz2549]

That's literally what the video said

[@PoollShietz]

Shroud is number one fan of shooter, so who is not targeting who?

[@ufuk5872]

@@PoollShietz Shroud been streaming it for like 8h, holy shit. Not addicted.

[@yarincool1237]

That's the problem, I hate league/dota but love shooters and thought maybe this will be a bit more of a shooter as well but it really isn't.

[@RazgrizStraitz]

but it looks worse than Smite in 2012. why is that?

[@Chuc503]

I can respect someone who knows what they don't like and acknowledge why it's not for them.

[@ggve1995]

it's more of a moba less of a shooter

[@keorinkoluexl6365]

This level of movement shooter should never be paired with the methodical, slow play of a Moba. It actually requires so much more concentration than a normal shooter bc it doesnt have the ttk like one of those games.

[@Zipperskull_]

EXACTLY

[@carvode7428]

What I hate mobas and deadlock for is how little player agency there is. In a usual shooter a useless 0 kills teammate who dies a lot just puts you in a harder but managable 4v5 or 5v6. In mobas and deadlock the same player not only basically puts you in a number disadvantage, but also ensures the enemy team has pure stat advantage over making it psysically impossible for you to carry. After trying the game a bit I competely understand why moba players are so toxic and miserable, and even more clueless of why do people even play mobas

[@truthfuldrake278]

Gonna be honest I HATED this game, shooting at bots for 20 minutes straight with no progress from either team is so mind numbingly boring it legitimately gave me a headache no joke. Also ttk is so fkin high until you get like 20 perks dont expect to kill anyone unless they are stupid or the matchup is bad.

[@Flailmorpho]

@truthfuldrake278 it isn't the game's fault that you need to learn a new behavioral syntax. If your match has no progress that's on you, you should be taking objectives as often as possible. The TTK means you actually need to fight your opponent, this isn't a shooter where just whoever gets the drop on the other guy wins, you have to actually work for your kills. You can't just expect this to be cod or overwatch or csgo, this is a moba, you're sieging a base, not just fighting people

[@truthfuldrake278]

@@Flailmorpho yeah after some thought I realized the game just isnt for me, you say I need to reroute my brain to enjoy it but honestly im not going to put in that much effort to enjoy any game, but its not the games fault and ive come to realize that after some time

[@PeterTheOstrich]

This game has zero comeback mechanics. If you get behind in this game YOU CANNOT CATCH BACK UP (unless you're playing against a shitty team/are playing with a serious 5-stack). It just feels awful being a couple k in net worth behind and shooting someone and barely even scratching their gargantuan health bar(s). It's like you said: What am I supposed to do? If you group up and try to gank and find a pick in this game to try and level out the exp/net worth graph - BOOM there goes two of your fucking towers. There's just nothing you can do. The game ends in the first 10 minutes. And the laning is so fucking boring. In dota, laning is a skill in and of itself. The laning stage is engaging all the way through. In deadlock? You're just shooting and melee'ing creeps and trying to go for denies and taking little pot shots at your counterpart enemy laner. It sounds a lot like dota laning, but it is so fucking dry and tedious. And going for kills in this game is so unsatisfying. If you blow all of your ability and item cooldowns to make a push and try to kill me - guess what? I'm going to blow all of my ability and item cooldowns to either A) run away or B) fight. And if I feel like the engagement is disadvantageous at all I'll just blow my load and dash-dash-dash-jump-jump away. And that's it. That's the combat gameplay loop. You blow your load to attack someone, and they either blow their load to fight you back if they think they can win, or they blow their load to escape if they feel like they won't win. There's just no way to play this game. The gunplay feels like masturbating on 500mg of Zoloft and a gram of finasteride, and the reload animations/the little circle thing that plays when you reload is just disgusting. It looks so damn bad and it feels bad too. Why can't shooting people feel good like in other games? I know it's a MOBA first and a 3rd person shooter tenth, but jesus man why would you not take the opportunity here to make aiming skill based as well? The game is just a fucking mess, honestly. And yes, it is still in alpha - I get it. But the core game is just...Unplayable. It's like you're not allowed to have fun playing this game.

[@Chertograad]

I mean I do appreciate that you're being honest and fair. It's just that different people like different kinds of shooters. I can't stand recoil in games. Like PUBG drove me crazy since I can't just "spray" the gun and I have to keep pulling the mouse down a town. If someone likes that and someone's like "woahh realism", then good for you. I like when shooting feels natural (point and click) and not something you have to practice a ton in some firing range training mode. I play games to relax, not to improve. And I want an "easy" shooter where I just point my cursor at the enemy and they take damage. And I definitely don't like it when people die with a few bullets/hits and if it's about "spot the cat in the picture" and people have camoflage clothing. I know, I know. That's what war is. But I'm not into war games at all. I literally just wish they'd make more games like Unreal Tournament and Quake. And I also do not like "headshotting" in shooters. Back when I played shooters in the 90s, that wasn't really as important and now it's made the biggest thing ever in all shooters that you have to point an extremely small part of the body. I mean if people want games to be hard, more power to you, as long as they keep making games that are easier as well. If it was up to me, stuff like "bullet drop" wouldn't exist... Sniping in newer games feels so "meh" compared to railgunning people back in the day where you could actually point at the enemy player, not above them or next to them (if they're running)... So far Apex Legends has scratched that perfect itch for me and I'm thrilled to see what Deadlock will feel like. Smite 2 also seems mildly interesting. Different strokes for different folks.

[@charles_wipman]

Nah man, this crap it's definitely not for me.

[@Zipperskull_]

They added too many mechanics, it could have a identity crisis by being everything at once. When I played the tutorial, I was shocked by the amount of movement mechanics, the amount of visual clutter, and ability info.

[@Flailmorpho]

@Zipperskull_ the movement mechanics are to add to skill expression, and this game does a lot to reduce visual noise, environments are desaturated so that abilities and heroes will stand out. It might take time to acclimatize but the game is actually visually coherent and took a lot of notes from the design of summoner's rift

[@amongstus4418]

For builds, if you click 'browse builds' you can see a bunch of community builds which recommend how to build your character, most will have advice too.

[@professoradonis8246]

Boring ahh bun builds, that's when I started stomping other people who didn't know to use this trick and we're just buying randomly this to me, is not fun? That's why I like the simplicity. That is the complexity, the first person shooters.

[@crazymcjesus]

I like your perspective as someone who doesnt play these kinds of games. However on the note about the snowball games where you don't know what to do, that can be frustrating but there are tools that you can use to comeback, and the comebacks in this game or dota happen all the time. There is a reason why there is no forfeit option. Many times the way to comeback is to use an item that isn't in your build that will help stop movement, healing, or from firing their weapon, and there is also the urn which you can coordinate with your team to get for more souls. Knowing what tool is best to make that happen comes with time and knowledge about the items and heroes

[@crazymcjesus]

The saying "win lane, lose game" is a thing because comebacks can happen regularly

[@dangdudedan8756]

thats just aggrivating.

[@capnfapn]

I dont think snowballing itself is the actual issue with peope quitting midgame. The issue is that at lower levels the team that has the soul advantage doesnt understand how to go about actually winning the game, and the losing team also isnt good enough to understand how to take advantage of that and you end up with this awful 70 minute grind just to lose. If you look at tournament play youll notice that games usually take about 30 minutes and if they are longer then usually its a very even match.

[@misira8256]

This game want you to move like a superhero while shooting. Recoil would make this experience tedious. High level players play it like a movement shooter.

[@RohanKumar-ci9sl]

I respect your take on the game, I can see it. But I do think the game is going to see a ton of success when it drops, at least compared to the regular steam library. The game is currently in the invite only alpha, meaning you can't even get it on the steam page you have to be invited. And yet, with that massive barrier for entry, the game is hitting crazy player counts, like 6 digit player counts without even having been released. I think it's going to do very very well, and may create a new paradigm in both genres of shooter and moba.

[@catowarmeowson9964]

I have 2.5k hours in dota 2. I hate shooters. I love deadlock

[@pumpkinspice5848]

Its the reverse for me I have 5k hours in shooters combined and i hate mobas but i love deadlock

[@Сынсвоегопапца]

A man of culture I see

[@RazgrizStraitz]

how do you play deadlock without vomiting from how awful this trash looks?

[@pumpkinspice5848]

@@RazgrizStraitz bait used to be believable

[@shagaronsnyder5943]

I've play Dota since Frozen Throne and until now. At the same time, I'm also a hardcore FPS player. Dota is like an everyday game for me (more than 5000 hours ) and I keep rotating FPS games every now and then when there was a new release or trendy game. I've play all COD game, Valorant, extraction shooter and battlefield-like game. Once I try Deadlock, it just clicked and loving this game. I completely agree with you opinion and really loves your "mental switch' statement. First few days, I approach it as Overwatch perspective and I didn't really have fun. Then I switch my mental state to Dota perspective and I'm popping off!

[@veo7097]

Pretty much what i am thinking too, i hope they simplify it a little bit, its just too much going on to be enjoyable imo. League can be pretty chill and relax at times this is 110% speed and stress 200% of the time xD

[@Ven_detta_]

I can't say I'm surprised people go in with the wrong expectations, the amount of times I've seen people completely misrepresent the game is insane. It's not Overwatch or whatever, it's a MOBA (an *actual* MOBA with scaling, snowballing, items, levels etc) end of story, it just requires some minimum of aim. Also to be clear, MOBAs are strategy games fundamentally, at 3:04 you imply the opposite

[@WybremGaming]

mobas are boring af and people only play them for the price pool, can't convince me otherwise. as was this game, boring a/f

[@thevannmann]

@@WybremGamingPeople play it for fun. What an idiotic take.

[@WybremGaming]

@@thevannmann ye idk, remove the price pool and nobody would play it, it's boring af

[@jampakdd]

The game is arcadie, youre a mil sim fan. Of course games like this arent for you. I bet you also don't like Overwatch, valorant, or fortnite either.

[@TIPSFIN]

I have played 2000h of tf2 and I found deadlock refreshing and fun. I love the upgrade system, because it gives you the freedom to build your character any way you want, adding a lot of versatility to your playstyle. Imo this is one of the main appeal of the game. The game is not simple shooter where you click heads to win. The movement system in the game is pretty well polished, and if you took a time to look how it works, the game starts to feels a lot more fluid. You can also make your own custom build sheet and browse other peoples builds, in the game.

[@spammus1]

I think the problem is that most people for some unknown reason, started saying this game was like TF2 or Overwatch when in reality it's basically just DOTA with some shooter elements. I've been playing shooters for decades and I'm having a really hard time with the game because the MOBA elements are basically 90% of the game, it doesn't matter how many headshots I hit if I'm down 2K souls in the first 6/7 minutes and if my build is all over the place. If you are already familiar with MOBAs and all the related concepts (farming, items, ganks and so on) you'll have such an easier time with this. The game is fantastic nonetheless considering it's JUST an early development build and the final release will most likely be really different. I really don't understand why people started calling this game the new "Overwatch" when even the devs on discord says it's basically DOTA. I've played around 50 hours and I had fun, but I'll probably just drop it because I don't like MOBAs at all especially since this one is already extremely competitive.

[@JustATypicalGinger]

I think you (and a lot of people) are underestimating the amount of shooter DNA present in the design, but it is inspired by hero shooters and arena shooters much more than it is tac shooters/ realism focused shooters. The primary shooter elements that it brings to the MOBA formula is the *insanely* high skill cap movement and the map's verticality and the variability of sightlines throughout the map. SMITE is already a third person MOBA but it's just as 2 dimensional as any other MOBA from the map design to how the heroes play, Deadlock is very different. My initial impression as soon as I felt the gunplay, was similar to yours but as someone who loves the more movement focused shooters, the potential here is incredible. The variety of techs regarding how you can use momentum, chain different movement abilities, and use the maps geometry is legitimately mind boggling. Most people are not even making good use of the basic movement abilities right now, but I can't even imagine what highly skilled players will be capable of in a few years. Think of it this way, at level 1 you have a movement kit comparable to a Titanfall pilot but with a FAR higher skillfloor to get similar results, and of that only SCALES throughout the game because its a MOBA. It might not be for you, MOBAs with their snowballing mechanics and level of reliance on your team are notoriously frustrating and unpalatable for a lot of people, but I think your own personal preferences have given you a narrow view of what shooters are and can be. Quake where competitive shooters originated and it plays a lot more like Deadlock than Hell Let Lose.

[@cvalerinv]

For me Deadlock is more of a moba than an actual shooter. very few heroes are entirely dependant on bullet damage and the ones that do are more for beginners, they will get boring very quickly. I would compare the gameplay more to Smite than an actual shooter game. I feel like with the expectation of it not being a shooter then the game feels a lot more enjoyable. I love it and Im currently obsessed, but that's becuase I enjoy mobas like dota, lol, hots, and smite A LOT! So I knew it was going to be something more along those tracks.

[@juanjox2006]

its not a 3rd person shooter nor a hero shooter, its a MOBA, the whole game is about everyone being weak and taking 2 hours to kill each other in the early game to farm and be able to even 1v3 in late game being the strongest character in the lobby

[@eikonic]

Great analysis. Ultimately, the game piqued my interest because I thought that it might be a shooter in a MOBA setting. In reality, it’s a MOBA with a little bit of shooter on the side. That is reflected in the gunplay, which as you say is not its strong point at all. That’s all absolutely fine. It’s not a game for me, but I am sure that plenty of people will love it. More power to them.

[@__Jah__]

i mean a lot of your gripes in the beginning can be said about overwatch as well; no recoil, some bullet sponges, not a ton of variety in recoil patterns a lot of people don't like twitchy recoil pattern sightline shooters like CS, valorant, siege; myself included the reason i like hero shooters and not just a raw shooter is the extra level of thinking you have give to abilities, timing, coordination, all augmented *if* you have good aim, not completely reliant on exceptional aim you have a better chance of digging yourself out of a skill gap by out thinking your opponent in deadlock or other hero shooters or mobas; I've even won a bunch of 5v6 games in deadlock after people left because they felt they fed the other person too much (the game is rarely completely lost after a bad early game) different strokes for different folks

[@Chertograad]

I wholeheartedly agree. I absolutely hate recoil, bullet drop, headshotting etc. in shooters but I still love shooters. I just wish we'd have more games like Quake and Unreal Tournament... back when those things weren't so overly used in shooters. Then this "relaism" and modern military craze came along and every second game was about modern warfare or WW2 etc. And I generally don't like sneaking in shooters either... or listening to footsteps. But to each their own.

[@RazgrizStraitz]

happy we are all coming to the conclusion that in general, MOBAs are trash.

[@nicoleuswhite2192]

Bro, imagine if the mechanical skill ceiling in Deadlock is higher. Each hero has a spray pattern on top of the MOBA management

[@RazgrizStraitz]

this game looks like a low effort release from 2007. not sure how they even greenlit this garbage.

[@nicoleuswhite2192]

@@RazgrizStraitz I can see through your rage bait but for people who has no clue, Deadlock is still early alpha and in active early development with 80% of assets placeholders.

[@masonfoster7954]

60 hours in and a spray pattern is the worst suggestion i’ve heard so far. your focus should be on moba stuff like positioning and watching out for a gank on top of staying efficient while killing creeps and jungle denizens.

[@kingepostle]

Honestly, memorizing a spray pattern sounds pretty lame. I do it in CS2 but for the most part, this would add a layer of annoyance to the already lack luster gunplay.

[@fearlessarchangel]

All these games just making me wish Battlefield would make a comeback. I'm tired of the hyper-competitive pvp. Battlefield was always pretty chill despite being pvp. Only annoying people were the aircraft pilots who knew how to farm everything to get a K/D of something like 100/1.

[@nier2k]

it's defintely for shooter fans, just not for csgo/valorant shooter fans as it brings more of a ow2 tf2 tracking and movement focused shooting style, frankly the shooter "fans" that can't understand it are suffering from a bit of a skill issue

[@nier2k]

but obviously if you're not familiar with mobas and not willing to learn the moba genres gimmicks, you'll only get half of the enjoyment out of playing a moba shooter

[@Silicon_0014]

Nope. OW/OW2 aim sweat here to disagree.

[@saitama2471]

Hard disagree, CS and Dota player here, I've won most of the games I've played on deadlock and it still just felt unsatisfying. In it's current state it puts me to sleep, I'll come back now and then as they update it.

[@GeTMiXeDuP770]

​@@nier2k your comment comes off as a one sided perspective from someone who is not skilled in cs/val but plays ow/tf2

[@kurousagi1339]

I come from playing OW and CS. I don’t understand why people keep making these comparisons to Deadlock. It’s pretty misleading because I went into the game with those expectations and then realized it was moba… and I’m like why aren’t some people comparing it to mobas or at least mentioning them lol.

[@trashgamerxd7612]

You played valves new third person shooter? What's the name? Haven't heared of it.

[@yep8058]

It's not for me because I don't like MOBAs default game mode, aka the "DotA experience". I like ARAM in League or Assault and Arena in SMITE. I don't like this objective based game design and I hate it when the map is as massive as this.

[@HotShwarma]

Not gunna lie. You coming into the idea of you can’t come back from a disadvantage comes off pretty badly. “The game incentivizes people to quit” is a pretty wack way to look at it. I’m not sure how you would react to playing a game like Dota. Like do you quit the moment someone takes your queen in chess? Idk just comes off as “if I can’t win or am not winning than this isn’t fun.” Seems childish tbh.

[@Cruddyhorse]

It's definitely an incorrect take as respawns get long and longer the further you are into the match, reaching around 60 seconds, and a majority team wipe in late game often seals the the losing teams fate. I do think as a longtime Moba player these games have quitting issues, although due to the players mentality more often than not. In many mobas most of the time a losing team forfeits long before the end of the game because they convince themselves comeback is impossible when the game very easily allows it.

[@stang9806]

Yeah I’ve had some insane comebacks 55 minutes in cause we got a lucky pick and were able to push through

[@Fragile-s-junktube]

He might be incorrect but it doesn't change the fact that MOBAs are a slogfest made for troglodytes.

[@mattyryon]

I have played every MOBA, and deadlock by far is the most likely to comeback from being behind in a long game

[@ChickenCurry-w8s]

​@@mattyryonbro it's so easy to come back when behind this game.

[@rahorin]

Most of the things you complain about are what makes a moba great and fun to play. You are right it's not a pure shooter but more of a moba strategy action game. This makes it more interesting to me and I think I will enjoy this game a lot.

[@whointhewho]

its a moba. and a shooter. but it is complicated and i already see some people cant keep up with it which is fine everyone got different tastes

[@MVIVN]

I saw someone trying to explain the game and I knew immediately it wasn't for me

[@ramon1500]

idk why but it reminds me of plants versus zombies garden warfare

[@IRequiemI]

I totally agree with everything you said, sadly it's not the game for me therefore I uninstalled it already.

[@lennyface6828]

Deadlock doesnt look like it will keep it's player base after 2 years

[@thevannmann]

It will

[@Microphonick]

I was expecting the same thing. A shooter game. It's not great at all imo but then again I HATE moba's and find them extremely boring.

[@ISmashedMyKeyboard]

It's quite bad atm. Winning lane feels less important than just afk farming. Both LoL and Dota does this better

[@Dewfie]

Third-person moba with a Valve sticker Uh oh

[@pumpkinspice5848]

The game needs polish for sure the problem with it is the attention it got, pretty much the game is in a weird state This is an alpha very raw at best ,this needs like 2 years in the oven

[@FelixNothus]

The game is just fine as is actually and they're just making it better. Can't complain at all.

[@luvsik7]

People who know the least are often the loudest, so I don’t fault you for having these expectations. The game offers fun aspects of “shooters” being awesome movement, fast moving targets, and guns on every character, but this game is very fundamentally a MOBA. The community (and those who aren’t in it mostly) are quick to see a game with “characters who have ability and shoot gun” and call it an overwatch/valorant clone. Emplemon recently made a video on his second channel completely writing the game off despite never having played it and attributing credit to these Overwatch similarity claims. It’s great to see people expressing that the game is not for them, and I applaud you for not outright saying the game is bad. This game is definitely not meant to appeal to the widest audience, so this is to be expected.

[@azurethegamerkobold5434]

meh none of the characters are interesting to me... which killed it for me.

[@jordanhackner4676]

I would like the game if people weren't already toxic

[@kaluepnmanuetzel7383]

I think Deadlock's biggest flaw is its ridiculously steep learning curve and how demanding it is of its players. It requires a significant time investment and learning effort to not be overwhelmed by its vast number of item choices or confused by its visual clutter. I think it does not help that it is literally the only game out there like it. So, your impressions feel like the logical conclusion of being someone from a very different background who has spent their first hours with the game. I think most of its issues, however, disappear the more you play it, and it becomes one of the most addicting games of 2024. But if the initial time with the game fails to hook you, I think it is very natural to think this game is not for you.

[@jax5683]

Before watching the video, purely off of the title: this is NOT a shooter, it's a MOBA with some shooter elements. That being said, it feels incredibly dull to me. Played a game yesterday where we spent the entirety of the lane phase farming because the enemies were playing safe under tower. Our lane was neutral but other lanes fed, there was physically nothing we could do to stop them. I did my whole combo and a squishy character and did a small sliver of health. This game is too snowbally.

[@maniacpwnageking]

MOBAs are not easy games to pick up. You have to go into with a learning mindset ir you will not have fun.

[@ZALYVES]

The top personalities on Twitch with some of the best aim in the world, nailing every shot like its second nature are loving the deadlocks shooting mechanic. And then there's this guy saying the shooting is just 'meh. lmao

[@Hubbleshubbles]

Are we really going to pretend this game's gunplay is even remotely close to cs2? Like cs2 shits all over it. This game is absolutely a moba first that happens to have shooting mechanics.

[@ZALYVES]

@@Hubbleshubbles I didnt even compare it to CS2 since it is a tactical shooter and this is a Moba 3rd person. But its gunplay is still very solid. Every hero has gun mechanics you have to learn. Ivy, Haze, Vindicta, Lady Geist, Wraith are examples of heroes that aim is crucial for t the player to be very effective. You cant just separate the shooting aspect of the game just because it has more Moba elements to it. Thats why the aim freaks are very deadly when using such heroes.

[@RazgrizStraitz]

everything about the game is meh. just the visuals alone just from ONE PICTURE i could have told anyone this was a piece of ****. biggest failure from valve ever.

[@ZALYVES]

@@RazgrizStraitz it failed so much it already beat TF2 peak players despite being in alpha with placeholders assets lmao.

[@capnfapn]

​@@Hubbleshubbleswhy would you compare the shooting mechanics to cs2? Would cs style shooting mechanics make any sense in this game? Absolutely not. There are ways the gunplay and movement could be improved, but it would make way more sense to look at arena shooters/team fortress 2 for inspiration than CS or a tac shooter.

[@Thedrewshow559]

I posit from here forth we covert creeps to dweebs.

[@monkeymoobs4556]

Said by literally everyone in there first 10 hours of trying their first moba. Give it time bro. Give it time

[@evan9730]

and end up like those 6k hours dota 2 players who all want to die? no thank youuuu

[@3tap]

if you're getting owned in the souls department, you can farm jungle mobs, there's plenty of camps around the map, even some right next to your base. Matches are generally extremely balanced in my experience, the main learning curve is learning how to think like a moba player. Positioning, team-fights, farming, and what the hell you're doing at the current moment. If you don't actively try to learn these things they won't come naturally and you will continue to fail.

[@fryaduck]

@Terrydactyl I wouldn't be interested in it. One game I have "recently" become invested in (without spending money) is Once Human. 520 hours in, I've been melting faces solo (PvE). I can't do PvP because latency to the nearest server is 120ms (Singapore) but PvE is fun. Then again the player base is from Kuwait to New Zealand (15,000 km of lag) and you can see why I don't PvP. Free to play just don't pay money. BTW UK has access to EU servers so expect about 50ms max. You can shoot in first person if you want, sniping is fun. Lots of different weapons, Accuracy International AW, Barrett, SCAR, AK, RPD, MG3, Kriss Vector, Mp 5, Mp 7, Desert Eagle, Glock 17 etc all named differently cause of copy write. Lots of weapon accessories to improve your weapons (muzzle, sights, laser/lights, magazines). Mods to improve your damage or give you even a never ending magazine (as long as you have ammo). You can build a base in your territory and there is crafting, resource gathering and even farming if that boils your oil. My only suggestion for new players is join a local server that has (Novice) in the server name.

[@ZAN23966]

yeah i cant get into this as a moba player, fucking sucks really, none of the bits mesh at all and im shocked so many people are working the shaft for this

[@kingepostle]

I'd rather play Smite than this. This game honestly is overrated hardcore. The gameplay is very bland. All it's doing is catering hard to groups. Give it a little bit and the numbers will drop really hard.

[@michi302010]

I appreciate an honest review. However, you said yourself youve never played a MOBA so you basically have no idea what this game is about and are in my opinion not qualified to give it a review. Especially coming from games like hell let loose, this is not the game for you, but you fogured that out yourself :D Still, this is like youre reviewing the new iPhone after spending 2h with it as your first apple product ever. Not fair to the product and not fair to your audience. (I am in no way supporting apple, just had to find an example and u fortunately iPhones are very common everywhere)

[@MasterLink924]

Simply, this game is not for you. This is a moba through and through. I’m looking forward to it aince i really like mobas

[@alextihor1190]

Again and again i see new people go into this game with the wrong mindset, you said "very slow, push and pull". It is a push and pull, this game is one of the most fast paced shooters ever, the movement is as important as the gunplay. I feel that the gunplay is unsatisfying, but man is there so much more to it and im not talking about items. I would advise everyone who wants to start to look at how the game is MEANT to be played with good players on youtube.

[@MrSongib]

It's called a games and any shooter game kinda the same as well. your view of the game is kinda 90's or 80's dad that seeing their kids playing some goofy video games while in His own leisure paying tetris and chess thinking it's not a game. I have seen this kind of midset with "I'm so cool i'm play this game" but in reality this kind of people is scared of change, scared of new things and it's just a cope mechanism seeing something and try to bring it down. You think it's kinda helping but in reality feels kinda haters view. XD

[@heavyflamerheresy2581]

Bro its a Moba 🤦‍♂️, why say anything els. But you can play aim heroes like vindictus

[@21thebeardedwonder]

This is smite but made by valve and for someone who gave mobas a fair shake they aint for me and Also apparently you and thats okay.

[@GenericInternetter]

from the very first screenshot i laid eyes on, i thought it seemed shit. now seeing this footage and hearing your analysis, i still think the game seems shit.

[@funnyvalentine6670]

Why don't you play it and make a real opinion?

[@greatmatt301]

His opinion is his opinion however there are a couple things to keep in mind. 1) This is a closed alpha. You have to be invited to even play it. 2) It's going to feel like shit if you are expecting it to play like an FPS, it's not trying to be an FPS. That's like saying COD is shit for not being like StarCraft.

[@dangdudedan8756]

@@greatmatt301 but it is

[@Sarasseo]

to be honest, the gun play you're used to is low TTK. You probably never played something like quake so this wouldn't be the kind of game for you. You're used to shooting slow moving targets whereas things here move at erratic paces. The correct title should be "dont play valve's new shooter if your'e not into twitch shooters"

[@frogery]

i had no interest in mobas until this game.

[@kaimetaev46]

For me the game's not fun. Deadlock provides a strategy gameplay (where you essentially need a lot of information) with shooter controls which limit a game-awarness. Random bunch of moba mechanics feels inconsistent. Three level map is too large in my opinion and overloaded. Underground is random and strange: creeps, bosses, urns and buffs, wtf. I'm not saying about builds/skills/skills-upgrade/flex system which is a huge cognitive load for a highly dynamic game. In the end of the day, Deadlock looks like 3-person Dota2 and it's sad... My opinion, of course. I don't want once again become Ph.D. in a new MOBA, I want to get fun of gaming. I think Valve and other game developers should use an old Blizzard moto of "easy to learn, hard to master". Gl hf

[@Flailmorpho]

man experiences a shooter with real combat and gets confused

[@Wallyka1007]

Skill issue and also ITS A MOBA you don’t enjoy mobas nothings wrong with the game

[@GeTMiXeDuP770]

Nah saying skill issue is just your way of making yourself feel better today 😊 did it work?

[@TheDiner50]

Everyone and I mean everyone is calling this game Overwatch/TF2. And possibly saying later that yea it is a MOBA. But in reality it is DOTA/MOBA in 3th person. If there is anything to enjoy or praise this game for? Fine. Yet if no one wants haters to hate then do not fool people into something they do not want or asked for. This is a Overwatch! Wait what? Oh? You do not like DOTA? Well your wrong to dislike the game. If a car dealer sold you on a car and then when you drive off the lot you find out that the car is not road legal. Then would you not be upset that the car dealer sold you a rock crawler/off-roader ? I mean look at SUV's being sold. Should not be legal... Point is. Your sold on a idea/concept. To then find out that what it should have (honestly) been said to be is DOTA 3. With Overwatch. I would call this Deadlock game. DOTA/Fornite/CoD/Overwatch. At what point is this TF2 for instance? Where is it? Even Overwatch had Torbjörn and such. I honestly see myself begin to play Fornite for the first time or something like that then some MOBA/DOTA like game. Artifact = Deadlock. Deadlock = Artifact. And no. Not a big shooter fan. TF2 for instance is a old-school team shooter. Played allot of MOBA like World Of Tanks. Awful game that is. Simply tanks are fun. Not even played Overwatch. It simply comes down to the fact that the strategy part of the game is going to be busy work and allot of BS like stun and crap on the screen. With the shooting being awful. Relying on teamwork to have anything happen etc. Like we have Helldivers 2! If not for PSN and such I would probably have started to play that game. That is a PVE game too! It is not even fair to compare it to a PVP game. Yet it deserve more phrase then some DOTA like. Even in technical merits, look at the fluid switching between 3th and 1st person shooting in that game! And the animations! I never liked Overwatch over TF2. I would find it difficult to enjoy Overwatch but DOTA. No way!

[@ZALYVES]

"I dont think people really want deadlock" Meanwhile on Steam: Getting close to 100k and its not even closed beta. - You don't speak for everyone sushhh I love how these boomers try to gatekeep their memories of the old valve games by telling them what to do, thinking the new generation of gamers share the same taste. Valve doesn’t owe anyone anything-they’re a private company and can do whatever they want. And I love them for it. This game have its place as Valves 3rd competitive multiplayer game along with CS and Dota. This will 100% pass 500k players at some point. A new HL game is in development too according to leaks so there's that.

[@FelixNothus]

My dude this has nothing to do with being a boomer. Love this game. -Boomer.

[@JackingBastos]

not because it gets 100k it will be long term. Bruh there is a lot of games gain high player count at launch then fell off after several months or years.

[@ZALYVES]

@@JackingBastos This game has been in playtest since May. Its has 164k player as of now. Thefre is no way this game wont have consistent players in the 200-300k or perhaps more in at least 5 years. This game flow like Dota and its easier for new players compared ti it. Plus Dota has been consistent top 3 in steam in the last 10 years.

[@JackingBastos]

​@@ZALYVES You're totally in love with Valve, huh? You said this game is easier for new players, but I’ve played top-down MOBAs like Dota 2 and League, plus a bunch of FPS games, and I still suck at this game. The problem with this game is that it's way too hard combining a third-person shooter with a MOBA is just ridiculous. Even if you're the fastest shooter, your enemies can just run away and heal, and then you’re the one who ends up dead. It's super frustrating and makes you want to quit. I really hate the vertical shooting trying to hit an enemy with tons of HP just makes it even harder. If you think it’s just a skill issue, it's not. It’s the game’s fault. If they want more players, they need to make it more accessible. The third-person perspective is the problem, and if they added auto-lock or some indication of how close you are to your enemy, it might help beginners. This isn’t an FPS, after all.

[@ZALYVES]

@@JackingBastos I'm in Love with the game they made, not because its Valve but coz its freakin good? And you wrote all these excuses and deny its a skill issue. lmao bro u suck. Hundreds of thousands are enjoying the game just fine. Game is too hard for you. Sorry bud. SKILL ISSUE. Its nearing 200k players now and it will reach 300-400k after September. They want this to be FPS on the start actually, you can see their earliest build as FPS but playtesting suggested 3rd person is the better path. Imagine thinking you know better than thousands of hours of playtesting for 2 years lol. Cope more.

[@Glowbox3D]

Hahaha. Paid actor by Hi-Rez Stuidios. No, but seriously, glad to see there are a few haters, and not everyone is drinking the Valve Koolaid. My opinion? That you have a pretty bad take on the entire game. It's loads of fun, already feels polished, and is barely in beta. And it's Valve. I see from your other videos you are a hardcore shooter fan who loves ballistics. Hell Let Loose. Hunt. Grey Zone. I know you need that recoil. I know you need your enemies to die with one well-placed headshot. Ya, this game isn't for you. Don't yuck our yum dude! lol. Kidding. Rock and roll.

[@theelectricant98]

He acknowledges that and was very respectful about it being a preference between different kinds of gaming audiences

[@nicoleuswhite2192]

In standard shooters, you generally use your gun to kill heroes. In deadlock, you use your gun to shoot souls to power up abilities. And then you use those abilities to actually kill heroes or pull objective, unless you're going for a DPS Build which is nice if you main Ivy.

[@jeremyyamma4364]

I started a few days ago. Most matches I get no kills and die 15+ times. I love the characters and movement n shit, but goddamn I am fucking terrible.

[@lukeskywalker6641]

The game is absolute garbage. People shouldn't even try this game.

[@rippeh8942]

I was going to write a whole paragraph explaining why this whole video is dumb af talking about a games that's in alpha etc lmao but nah not worth it lol

[@doggtreet]

I tried this game and played one match with real people. I got dove by Wraith 2 minutes in, died, and got ganked 4 times afterwards by her and Lash. Game's not for me. I don't like PvP. I don't like being told by others I can't play and learn what to even do on Infernus.

[@Bombvial]

Your frustration comes from not understanding what a moba is and expecting this game to just be a shooter with small moba elements. You're getting mad at the fact that its 80% moba and 20% shooter so you have no clue how to play it and are blaming a bunch of things that are core moba mechanics. "too many items", yeah it's a moba lol. "Shooting mechanics are meh" Yeah it's a moba. It's just not for you especially if you're coming into it with expectations that it's going to have be like hardcore shooters like the ones you play lmao.

[@MaMastoast]

That does not make his complaints/issues with the game less valid. "its a moba" doesn't mean anything if the game is ultimately not fun for new players.

[@kylebuudah4729]

The game is pretty shit Smite was 10000x better on release. What does bullet resist even do.

[@frankylampard3931]

Dont like Moba and really didnt like this either.... whole game felt like a mess. I think I uninstalled when I got stunlocked for the 17th time in 5 mins , a dull affair IMO

[@greatmatt301]

You don't like moba's, were you expecting a moba to be any different?

[@frankylampard3931]

@@greatmatt301 this is true.. I didnt know this would lean so heavy into the Moba side when I playee it tho tbf cos I played when there wasnt even footage of it online. But yes just like guy in video Im not target audience I guess.

[@Hotrification]

You are good at decision making or aiming? Guess what i just outfarm you and game is done/ Dont play this game it's waste of time

[@illusstrait]

I feel like if they changed the setting to the 1960's, had 9 distinct characters,removed annoying hero shooter abilities. and replaced the lanes system with either capture points or a payload system. Then it might be quite tf2.. I mean good*.

[@LordLux]

Just another Moba Can we have somthing MORE than just deadlock? Something MORE than another generic moba fps?

[@WybremGaming]

I tried 7 minutes, the gunplay is so fn bad, that there is no reality in which i could enjoy this. Combined with the no skill bullet sponges, absolute garbage just like dota and lol.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

This game makes no sense , its like an average moba for some reason played in third person. Make more sense for Valve to just improve dota , or make an origonal third person shooter. I think it actually could have been more interesting if they made this more like a shooter but with the moba lane aspect instead its like they took the worst aspects of a moba and the worst aspect of a fps tps... What real benefits is aiming and shooting if most the mechanics are strategy and slow tts / spell / area weapons. Oh well the grinding and unlocking of pointless atuff will probably suck in ppayers and it will sell well regardless.

[@Flailmorpho]

@GamerMuscleVideos the benefit of aiming is, more damage, to help you win fights and trades. If you get headshots you deal double damage, and swing a lot of the fight in your favor. Aim helps you dominate lane with farm demial as well. If you can't aim in this game, you still have a chance, but you're much weaker without it.

[@6u1ll3]

Skill issue

[@microblast3700]

This game is neither a good shooter or moba and the map is a mess

[@taylorbrown7912]

Valve being attached to it is its only chance, dead in 6 months max either way probably

[@timonenluca4live]

I don't feel it to be strategic , more spam then anything with no mana management. Everything is designed to keep you in-game as anyone putting pressure is constantly punished for it by setting up shops next to lanes and preventing retreats by keeping you off the glider etc it's all about flanking. Late game it's all about get X item to counter the constant OP Ult spam off the same three heroes by just focusing damage with zero effort. Lame game , sorry.

[@minecraft132321123]

game is legit trash

[@carvode7428]

The game wont really last for two long because its to mechanically challanging for moba target audience while it undermines any mechanical skill diff that shooter fans like.

[@MrHustler]

it's just you bro this is 100% a shooter and this is coming from someone that plays hell let loose Call of Duty Battlefield Counter-Strike and so many other FPS games it takes way more skill to kill someone in this game than in any other FPS game because it doesn't take one to three bullets to kill someone!

[@ohduude]

Why your title is stupid - deadlock is for me

[@gm08351]

get to the point

[@SirKnov-ph4yj]

Skill issue