Why Vox's MCU Video Feels Empty - Vox Response

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I had some big problems with Vox's video on the Marvel Cinematic Universe
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[@captainmidnight]

Go to squarespace.com/captainmidnight and use code "captainmidnight" to get 10% off a website or domain. Do you think Vox was right about the MCU? Here's the link to their video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmPUi2WVqdVgoLs&t=

[@logarugamon2645]

They were just trying to be cool. & failed.

[@TevyaSmolka]

captainmidnight not really

[@shrektheogre4349]

You didn’t link Vox’s video

[@evanhenderson9461]

You forgot the vox video link my dude

[@princessjellyfish98]

Thank you SO MUCH for calling them out on the Spider-Man thing. Like, of all the MCU movies, I feel like homecoming is the closest thing to a true sequel to the original avengers (besides other avengers movies). It basically took the ideas going on the Netflix shows about the human aspect of the battle of New York and turn it into a movie. Also, I know vox is a huge company with dozens of writers but it’s clearly clickbait when they release a video complaining about the MCU, yet 90% of their marvel reviews on their website are glowing

[@RealEngineering]

Fancy editing doesn't cover up terrible writing. Good work CM!

[@shubrock18]

Omg u r the engineer guy from Ireland Big fan of ur videos 👍 And yes what u said is absolutely right 😀

[@ehcoblast]

Watched every one of your videos. Love your content.

[@shaylempert9994]

Same here

[@theheart9681]

Sounds like a description of mcu movies🤔

[@aronseptianto8142]

But you have both though

[@sbcd7808]

I laughed when Vox said that the MCU had only easter eggs in Homecoming considering Tony Stark played an important part in it.

[@cherkaouia5541]

And the villain's connection to the avengers events

[@AB-zl4nh]

@@cherkaouia5541 Agreed, it felt like a semi-sequel to Avengers 1.

[@cherkaouia5541]

@@AB-zl4nh they did some sort of aftermath and origin story at the same time

[@DavidTSmith-jn5bs]

And Cap made a cameo in an "educational film" which connects with Spidey and Cap discovering that each of them were NY boys.

[@pariscloud2907]

Forgets that Phineas and Ferb have crossed over with Marvel and Star Wars.

[@TigrMchine]

DIdn't Duck Dodgers cross-over with the Green Lantern Corps. ?

[@TigrMchine]

Wait. Wait. Wait. There's an entire Scooby Doo cartoon from the 1970s chock full of insanse cross-overs!

[@waterking74]

@@TigrMchine the scooby doo crossover episode with batman and robin and the addams family felt like a fever dream when watching it :)

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@TigrMchine Well the point where it all *really* spirals out of control is Santa Claus. Dude gets around.

[@dickmelsonlupot7697]

@@waterking74 How about when Scooby-Doo had a crossover with Supernatural?

[@MrZomBie775]

I definitely think the worst part of vox's video was comparing the work of Stan Lee, Jack Kerby and Steve Ditko to a ham fisted sitcom cross over from the 70's. I mean a planned out comic book universe filled with interesting and dynamic characters is not the same as a cheap cash grab.

[@MrRockBlogs]

And they never said that they are the same, the vox video only refers to the idea of a common universe between properties

[@Deltasquad382943]

MrRockBlogs It’s implied if they’re comparing it

[@FOFORO28]

Marvel is super cash grab like Thanos existed become marvel wanted there own DC , jack kirby style darkseid. Vox is saying the corporate hand could fuck mcu up for money the way a bad sitcom crossovers were only done for profit

[@kylemorello4787]

Jim Henson's crossovers feel more like universes then those, for crying out loud! And those were mostly just him and his crew paying tribute to the projects he's done over the years! But, seriously, Muppet Family Christmas was awesome!

[@mtanquizon]

@@FOFORO28 Your just waiting for 1000 Angry Nerds replying to you, you're free to think that though.

[@amanahmed9550]

This is a well made constructive criticism video without any hate towards a channel. We need more youtubers like CAPTAAAAAAAAAIN MIDNIGHT

[@AP-Design]

Indeed. A rare breed.

[@hyper4831]

Exactly, and it's more CAPTAINNNNNNNNN MIDNIGHT!

[@busiestnebula5186]

True vox would just bash all their different opinions

[@pittland44]

I heard that in the Captain Caveman voice

[@metimoteo]

There's nothing wrong with calling out stupid when you see it. What Vox put forth is dumb. What Captain Midnight did is okay, but he would have done just as well to throw Vox under the bus.

[@Jayfive276]

"Sir, the MCU is threatened by a well-made but flawed video essay by a popular channel!" "Make the call..." [gasp] "You don't mean...?" "Yes, this is a job for Captain Midnight!"

[@HxH2011DRA]

lol

[@superior2096]

A popular channel with as many flaws as the MCU, if not more.

[@josharntt]

@@superior2096 Vox for sure has as many flaws as the MCU, probably more. And their parent company (BuzzFeed) definitely has as many flaws as the DCEU.

[@meko750]

Oof, I think “well-made” is a little kind. :P

[@lakshitdagar]

😂😂😂

[@jackkemp7256]

Vox: "The MCU feels empty." Endgame: "On your left." *Edit:* Honestly, I was completely missing the point when I made this comment.

[@huna2479]

Jack Kemp “don’t say it, don’t say it”.

[@homeb0ys7515]

@@DerpaTure9503 that was literally the entire point of endgame but, whatever.

[@yoursonisold8743]

@@DerpaTure9503 Ah yes, the movie that literally changed the entire universe with a time-jump and major repercussions, dozens of character arcs moving forward, left the universe defenseless without Infinity Stones and explored the depth of loss was "empty". Next you're gonna tell us how fanservice is bad and that time-travel is the worst thing in fiction lol

[@yoursonisold8743]

@Subscribe To Me For Good Luck You literally have not pointed out where, so you are literally dismissed. Literally.

[@homeb0ys7515]

@Subscribe To Me For Good Luck Endgame is not in the top 10 best movies of all time but it still is in the top 250.

[@zach1619]

Vox...to feel so desperately that you’re right...but to fail, nonetheless

[@philipfahy9658]

Fun isn't something one considers when balancing the like ratio, but this... does put a smile on my face.

[@cooley3639]

666 likes lol

[@Riley_187]

Failure is inevitable

[@PrimeCookieGuy]

The MCU isn’t a bunch of crossovers, it’s a universe that takes its time to tell the story of every individual in that crossover. Justice League felt like a crossover; Avengers felt like it was meant to happen.

[@Mentocthemindtaker]

YES! THIS ^

[@johnreel4695]

How come this comment has very little likes?

[@virginialoverproductions]

Yaseen, I really agree!

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

Especially when the only characters that have been given any kind of development were Superman and Wonder Woman. Batman, Aquaman, and Flash might as well have been pulled out of thin air. It was completely backwards on WBs part to have solo films AFTER the team up film, not to mention they are missing key members like Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter. Maybe they hate the color green?

[@rizkaarifiandi5670]

hey, very nice choice of words man

[@battleupsaber462]

Ironic. Vox could save others from emptiness, but not themselves.

[@haefoc9387]

r/unexpectedprequelmemes

[@bloomylicious]

@Not Todd Howard not from a Jedi...

[@josedavidgw6813]

in my country, vox is a party of the extreme right

[@Nobody-fb7ni]

Lol this. “The MCU feels empty”, continues to make an empty video about how the MCU is empty that never actually shows how the MCU is empty.

[@aghost1171]

Here we can see a rare SW preaquel meme in its unnatural habbitat...

[@WiloPolis03]

How to get attention on KZbin in 2018- Complain about the MCU Works every time

[@weirdotzero7065]

Wilo Polis And Star Wars

[@WiloPolis03]

True, but the MCU seems to be more common for some reason

[@cvoghel]

Wilo Polis I understand in an environment flooded with video essays people will try to stand out with 2edgy Marvel sux videos, but still, they’re cringe as hell.

[@WiloPolis03]

@@cvoghel Yeah, and I get that it's hard to stay relevant and all, but to me it just seems like a more lazy way to retain popularity

[@cvoghel]

Wilo Polis Agreed. What sucks even more is people seemingly eat this shit up. I mean the views speak for themselves. I also always wonder who falls for the clickbait thumbnails. I don’t know, the whole thing bugs me to no end.

[@RandomCarrot2806]

The Vox Video just reeks of "It's popular therefore it must be bad" syndrome. Like they had their conclusion before they started working on it.

[@rels_dana]

Yep.

[@RandomCarrot2806]

@ra al You might want to check the date of the comment and when the video was released. The MCU has destroyed itself trying to replicate what it did so well in the lead up to infinity war.

[@RandomCarrot2806]

@ra al Big news story coming in today. Turns out executing something well makes it good, executing it horribly makes it bad. And don't think I didn't notice you spamming the same comment in every comment thread desperate for validation.

[@houston-coley]

Thank-you very much for this my good sir. That Vox video was a total mess.

[@storba3860]

It's vox. Everything from them is a mess.

[@thehmc]

Only if you're an absolute moron could you possibly think the Vox video was a mess.

[@tomboz777]

Dat edit doe

[@Heard2]

They were deliberately being disingenuous

[@BuckDat]

@@Heard2 And deliberately baiting.

[@KentoBento]

great stuff, completely agree

[@jerrytang5888]

Kento Bento holy kento bento huge fan

[@issuesexplained681]

Kento Bento, I agree. Also love your channel!

[@Batmann29]

Kento Bento this is the best comment crossover right here

[@capriphonix8863]

Eyyyyyy I love your channel too!!

[@Yogeshturtlecrushers]

omg kento bento what is this a cross over episode? Ps: love ur channel

[@TheSoulDivided]

It kind of seems like Vox is accusing basically everyone at Marvel, well, ever of being artistically bankrupt, which is honestly pretty insulting.

[@joseconcha4848]

They are tho

[@dyland1842]

@@joseconcha4848 no theyre not

[@noelyanes2455]

Because they are

[@cringekiller348]

Nowl Yanes They are not

[@spoopy._.cheems]

Well this comment aged like rotten milk lol

[@JayExci]

This is great! I really wish I had your comic knowledge.

[@dankerbell]

oh hey it you

[@benstar242]

Jay hi

[@DemonicRemption]

@Jay Exci What are you talking about, your response to the same video was well put together and well argued despite your lack of Captain Midnight's knowledge in comics...

[@matthewcrane5294]

DemonicRemption he literally never said it wasn’t lmfaooo you’re dumb as hell 😂😂😂

[@comicskywalker]

Matthew Crane your reply shows you are

[@RugerEnthusiast]

Vox is the reason why Thanos snapped

[@tasteofmexicoyt0202]

LOL

[@miha2979]

Liberty Prime 😂me to

[@chriram97]

Money Singh on the contrary, i believe Vox isn’t in the MCU. If it was, the universe would be empty enough for Thanos

[@JohnCFee]

‘Snapped’ heh heh

[@Chanray123]

Those Captain American cartoon clips give me life.

[@HailG3]

"I launch my own rocket!" **explodes**

[@Andrew-np1jo]

I had to go back and watch it twice 🤣

[@seanself7189]

Oh hey Chanray

[@Chanray123]

Sean Self Yo

[@ahmedelkeshawy8398]

@@HailG3 but you got me on the right position beats it really hard😂😂

[@thomasmartin4281]

That whole thing felt like peak hipster contrarianism

[@perotekku]

Nailed it. So many I know, young and old, who don't like the MCU just make it out to be drivel or childish, without ever giving it a chance. Sure it's not for everybody, but dismissing something you don't see the appeal of is just shallow.

[@NickPotatoes]

@@perotekku I wish more people could share this mindset. More and more people are getting completely dismissive of things that they dont like or understand. Its frustrating.

[@jeromemendoza5281]

Vox: Why Mcu feels empty Stanlee i: Oh Don't make me come down there Punk!

[@rajat8999]

The Batman(the person I am replying to) MCU and comics MCU, are totally different except for the characters I am sure Stan Lee in his heart would agree with Vox

[@Mrenderboyo]

Rajat Makwana woooosh

[@rajat8999]

Mrenderkid Comics dude I was referring to him as Batman forgot to add a comma

[@Mrenderboyo]

Rajat Makwana that means the joke flew over your head he was quoting stan lee in homecoming

[@rajat8999]

Mrenderkid Comics I really don't watch the movies, I have only read the comics, so I didn't know the joke in the first place

[@Ixe2077]

Vox: I have AN ARMY Captain Midnight: We have a Hulk.

[@captainmidnight]

Hahahaha

[@jennyberger8229]

Traveling Boi Vox: I have an ARMY! Marvel: and we have the fans

[@Max_Le_Groom]

Vox: I have AN ARMY Marvel: What's that? We can't hear you under all this money!

[@ooooneeee]

Vox: We have a Thanos. Captain Midnight: We have a Captain Marvel.

[@tenzintsenpey5274]

Their army isn't backing up this time.

[@GenerationWest]

Your video matched my thoughts, but further expanded upon. It was a bloated explanation of crossovers, with glossy editing that didn't explain their point clearly (there is a kernel of an idea to work with), and of course the biggest sin committed was wasting 10 minutes of my time. No wonder when I first watched the video it had up to 80 to 90% dislikes, it didn't just insult the MCU, it insulted the fans, and an entire medium.

[@rkaytkt]

an*

[@TheRishijoesanu]

Yeah, that video is more of a criticism of shallow crossovers than well constructed fictional universes. MCU is a beautiful place. The box-office numbers, critical acclaim, fan engagement, franchise endurance, and many more things are a testament to that. The level of care that Kevin Feige and co. have taken in constructing it has shown why none of its pale imitators have had the widespread success or appeal that MCU has garnered across all demographics. It might eventually feel the weight of its expansiveness eventually down the road in the future but right now following the massive success of Infinity War, MCU is in the peak of its powers. Avengers 4 is probably the most anticipated movie in film history.

[@thevoid99]

@@TheRishijoesanu as someone who loves art films and often wait for anything by martin scorsese, quentin tarantino, lynne ramsay, sofia coppola, lars von trier, and any art-house filmmaker. i love the mcu. to me, they're no different from what the art house filmmakers do. they're just telling stories that are fun with cool characters and high stakes. vox's video is just shallow and snobby. the fact that the mcu got ryan coogler, anna boden and ryan fleck, taika waititi, and james gunn to provide ideas for the mcu that have their own ideas but with ideas that is expected from these films are just awesome. plus, give kevin feige credit for not just overseeing everything and get whoever he can get for those films but also pay respect to the source material as he is what harry saltzman and cubby broccoli are when they oversaw the james bond franchise and it's still going well thanks to broccoli's daughter and stepson. as long as we have people who give a shit about movies and make sure audiences get more bang for their buck. things will be fine.

[@lakshitdagar]

I agree

[@cremudgenguy2132]

ya there edit wuz gud but there wasnt any content

[@mario199923]

Vox lost me when he tried to use the Tarintinoverse as an example of....not being a connected universe. Most fans consider the tarintino movies to all be connected and Tarinto himself has never denied it either.

[@mario199923]

@laz kar I Know, my phone is really retarded sometimes

[@bramsteenhoek2674]

GOD! ITS TARANTINO! TARANTINO! WHY DOES THIS MAKE ME SO IRRATIONALLY MAD.

[@ferhat4425]

Tarantino said himself that his movies are connected, but not all of them are real.

[@heythere9707]

Bram Steenhoek GOD, you meant to say “it’s” not “its” as “it’s” means it is

[@kylemorello4787]

@@mario199923 dude. I know the feeling. When that happens to me, I proofread my text to be sure it ready. That being said, I WISH his name was Tarinto! Sounds like a more interesting name!

[@Nemo-Nihil]

One of the things I love about the Marvel Universe is that it feels so much like our world but with superheroes and mythology actually real. It feels like I can go to New York and see Iron Man and Captain Marvel flying through the air. Captain America outside the UN building, Spider-Man swinging around and Daredevil listening from hid perch atop a building. It feels real to me. Inversely, it's probably why DC doesn't draw me as much as Marvel does. DC just doesn't have that feeling. I don't feel like I can find the Thermyscaria embassy in DC or take that one exit while in Delaware and get to Gotham. The locations in DC are a little too fantastically for me to feel like I can go find them. Where Marvel feels more firmly rooted in our reality.

[@chargedonpc9989]

100 percent

[@constantinezoelayman3132]

@@chargedonpc9989 wow, I respect that, BUT in my opinion, Dc feels more realistic because of the characters of how they were written and surprisingly, their world building feels art imitating life because the truth is, the real world is NOT A GOOD PLACE, HOPELESS HOME, EMPTY (Mentally) LOCATIONS AND HEAVILY FLAWED PEOPLE instead of perfect mary sues . example: Watchmen, man of steel, V for vendetta, Batman begins, a history of violence, BVS DOJ ULTIMATE EDITION, Superman the movie 1 donner cut, superman 2 donner cut, Batman Forever, Return Of The Swamp Thing, GREEN LANTERN ULTIMATE EXTENDED CUT, THE ROAD TO PERDITION, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, Shazam, the dark knight, wonder woman , aquaman, birds of prey, suicide squad, Batman Returns, Superman Returns, Batman 1989, Jonah Hex, Swamp Thing, The Losers, The Kitchen and lastly, Joker. in my opinion, these feel relatable to me And they age better better than I remember since I USED TO HATE DC movies, BUT NOT anymore MOSTLY.

[@chargedonpc9989]

@@constantinezoelayman3132 that’s also a good argument because marvel does make the heroes seem a little too powerful sometimes where as seems to be more open to making there characters have weakness like kryptonite

[@iarellano27]

Half to be exact because of Thanos.

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Spider Man LOL true! :)

[@JamesBrown-go4ic]

Oh, snap.

[@mxkhxi]

Or is it half full?

[@LameCorvette]

omg ur alive

[@macafromthewired]

Noah Ridenour haha snap

[@SFDinossauro]

Not to mention stars wars actually exists as a product in the mcu. Peter Parker love star wars.

[@InternetNinja100]

but he hates it in the comics

[@SpencerMakokis]

too fucking bad

[@SuperfieldCrUn]

And Steve had Star Wars on his list of stuff to catch up on at the beginning of Winter Soldier.

[@ATthemusician]

There's a very bothering plothole in homecoming. Peter has the Lego death star set. That's like $500. He can afford a $500 Lego set but has to dumpster dive and build himself a shit spec'd computer? :P

[@noahlucas7906]

Andrew Teller that wasn’t peters that was Ned’s

[@buddabudda]

"I think they really almost have a good point, here." More praise than Vox has ever deserved

[@philipfahy9658]

You mention "outside the boundaries of reality around every corner" and that's why the MCU is so great. The MCU establishes itself on a simple governing premise: Take our universe, there are six stones representing fundamental aspects of existence. This universe is controlled by the same physics ours is. Magic, such as Thor's lightning, is simply incredibly advanced technology. These stones, existing since the beginning of the universe, allow control over that aspect. But the only way to break physical laws in the MCU is to use an infinity stone or a combination of infinity stones. So now we have a universe where legitimately crazy shit happens all the time. Aliens confirmed. Oh yeah we fought em, somehow won. Africa had a secret country, and they are like Halo level tech. We out in space representing humanity. And I'm not talking on some dinky asteroid freighter. Nah we got wormholes and cloaking and lasers and shit. But all of it, is believable. Though sometimes far fetched, every character's powers in the MCU has a backing in science. Just watch Because Science explain how Thor's hammer is actually manipulating gravitons so he can fly. Can we manipulate gravitons like that? Who knows? Hell, we don't even know if gravitons exist yet, they're only hypothetical. But they are a legitimate point of study in current science. Essentially, the MCU is amazing because it takes the unbelievable, gives it a believable reason to exist in the world, and makes you wonder what crazy shit might be going on in your world. Maybe, just maybe, somewhere far off in the inky black of our own sky, a raccoon and a sentient tree are helping an angel pirate make a badass axe out of a neutron star with the help of Tyrion Lannister.

[@chocobanana4109]

I usually like Vox, but this video felt rushed and poorly written just because they wanted a click bait title

[@TheRishijoesanu]

I like them about 80% of the time. Their videos while imaginative sometimes are beautifully edited though.

[@bgcm1995]

I been unsubbed frombox, very biased smh

[@jamesburgess2k]

Feel the exact same way about Vox. They something stray into making the "cutting edge opinion" videos that are different, just to stick out. Sometimes it works, giving a new perspective, but most of the time it looks like click bait due to how idiotic they have to make their arguments in order to justify shitting on something that everyone agrees is rated well.

[@superior2096]

Vox is kinda sounds like a salty guy at fox entertainment. That acts like he knows everything but he's more likely to be a part of the problem than the reason a movie might be an success.

[@adnanilyas6368]

Nah, they are mostly interested in actually explaining stuff. The problem here is that the question they were tying to explain was "Why do some people feel tired of the MCU", which is already a loaded and biased perspective. It's just a moment of overreach and weak arguing.

[@josedavidgw6813]

in my country, vox is a party of the extreme right

[@youngjah2010]

20th Century Vox

[@oscararreguin7443]

I believe Vox is owned by Comcast. The same Comcast that's still salty about being out bid by Disney for those Fox properties.

[@sotypme4813]

I'm glad I found this video. The Vox one made me so confused I was wondering if I missed the point they were making, or if the video itself was all over the place. The point I actually came away with on that video is that "cinematic universes are bad because we say so"

[@matthewdj993]

Captain Midnight:“The sitcom and the supernatural mystery makes sense to never meet” Marvel: Hold My Beer Marvel: WandaVision bitch boom!

[@youli3568]

"It feels empty" Okay, but why? "It just feeeeels empty" - Cux

[@delycan4912]

I can explain. I honestly thought he was gonna say what I was thinking but he just tried to ramble

[@rorylennon4043]

That Vox video literally said absolutely nothing

[@Kim-zf5dp]

Rory Lennon the majority of their videos say nothing.

[@aaaaa-dd9lu]

U can say it was....EMPTY

[@jaredcardenas813]

Rory Lennon it said enough for people to respond

[@FabbrizioPlays]

"Would anyone be surprised if [insert uneducated absurdity] happened in the MCU?" The Video

[@notleah8700]

I love how vox talks about how empty the MCU feels while showing clips from the some of the most empty x-men movies.

[@ot7biasedmashups]

They didn't say what makes it empty.

[@hyperspaceoddity7805]

This was very well written and refreshing! I've had a lot of complaints about the MCU over the years, but certainly not the ones stated in Vox's video. I really have to give props to them for keeping up something that seems so difficult to maintain. Imagine having to make movies about individual heroes, with individual tones, also while weaving plot elements together in order for a crossover movie to take place. It's extremely difficult, but at the end of the day I'm only impressed that they tried something new at a time where everyone else is doing the same thing with movies. What I really have complaints about is that because of the MCU, now everyone else wants to make a cinematic universe, and, more often than not, it doesn't turn out as well thought out. Also, am I the only one who loves the corny transitions? XD

[@iammusiqquirarte734]

I was just as baffled by some of the sillier points the Vox video attempted to make. Thank you for this analytical and much needed response

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

So, a thing I find kind of interesting about their argument that you didn't mention (and probably others in these 2000 comments already have, but just in case): Mork and Mindy didn't "crossover" with Happy Days. Mork from Ork was a character who appeared in Happy Days and was so popular, he got his own show. It's not a crossover, it's a spinoff.

[@cloudwaveASMRsleepsounds]

On the Stick THANK YOU! that was bugging me too.

[@paulheap1982]

It's like Vox doesn't know what a backdoor pilot is.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I didn't say any of that, but I'd hate to strain you by expecting you to actually read what I did say or approach anything with some semblance of nuance, but keep stumping for Vox, I guess? I'm sure they appreciate it.

[@MRCAB]

This illustrates Vox's vague research.

[@tajwar9547]

Just goes to show that Vox thought of the idea before formulating any sort of sense or foundation to back it up with. They don't really make a single good point that links back to their original question.

[@javanrench2094]

I destoryed my computer when the vox video sayed x men did a better CU then marvel

[@Vanya11_12]

Javan Rench 🤣🤣🤣. That was extreme! I just went and saw x-men apocalypse and infinity war one after the other.

[@deathberry33]

That vid was complete click-bait tier, so I never watched it.

[@ericpschoon3922]

Honestly my main problem with this video was its structure. It took him a solid 5 -6 minutes to even kinda start talking about what the video was about, and by then the video was mostly over *Vox's video not midnight''s

[@ericpschoon3922]

.............?

[@otsoman]

How about you structure your sentence in away where you dont have to edit in what its about.

[@arc4859]

VonHaigen Chill dude.

[@inamib.9786]

Nitro Mouthpiece I think they’re just confused that you decided to correct them on their personal problem with the video. You’re not even adding much to their point

[@footclann0043]

It's like Vox doesnt understand that the MCU is based of Marvel Universe from the comics. Dude like Spiderman, Daredevil, Kingpin, FF, and the OG Avengers all lived in NYC. But if they put that in a live action film, Vox would be like "Why are all these characters in New York? Seems forced!"

[@RtistiqSkubie]

''Correction, I launch my own rocket.'' Captain I knew you & Bucky was doing something strange at night....

[@taqu]

Thank you for the calm, measured and poignant response. I'll never get why some people are so damn eager to jump on every passing hate train and trash something (Vox in this case) that they disagree with or is wrong. I would babble on about a nuanced and more thoughtful approach but I get the sense that some just want something to take out their anger on and really don't care. (Mandatory disclaimer: Not all people.. etc. Nothing wrong with disliking the video, I do too) In any case, I like Vox but I think they kind of dropped the ball on this one. I can see the nugget of a good idea they had, and MCU _could_ be a suitable topic for their Overrated series, but it feels like they didn't really do their homework. Based on the title, I actually expected the Vox video to be about how we haven't really seen how the shared experience of alien invasions, gods and magic has affected people's lives (we've seen some bits and pieces in the movies, but mostly shots of news reports don't make the world seem alive). I don't need any deep dives, but I'd like to see more world-building through minor characters. I think they're heading in that direction, because Homecoming proved how you can focus on smaller things and still get a sense of scale. Their world of superheroes has never seemed more real than in that high school - Cap doing PSAs was funny but made also a surprising amount of sense, and the reaction (or lack thereof) by the teens further established the kind of reality they live in.

[@2nooby2idol90]

Oh Vox...To feel so desperately right...but fail nonetheless.

[@optillian4182]

Dread it, run from it...

[@2nooby2idol90]

Optillian Destiny still arrives.

[@cirnotheicefairy3609]

Fun isn't something one considers when balancing the superhero movie industry.. but this, put a smile on my face.

[@2nooby2idol90]

Cirno the Ice Fairy In time you will know what it’s like to lose...

[@shonakkhan9623]

2nooby2 Idol underrated comment

[@TheBrokenEclipse]

Thank you for explaining it! Man the Vox video made my head hurt and I had no idea where to start. You flushed my ideas out nicely and coherently. Oh, and it sucks that Vox made such an error of a video because their videos are usually astonishingly good - and especially their editing!

[@swanpride]

Everything about it was just wrong...starting with the guy who brought forward the argument. There was something about the way he talked which made it really, really hard to listen to. But the worst part was really the line of argumentation. It is just deeply dishonest to act as if the MCU movies are only connected by vague references while also citing two MCU movies which even had guest appearances by other characters in the story, and then turn around and act as if the X-men of all franchises did a better job of telling an overreaching narrative.

[@jeremylim2421]

@@swanpride he sounded very cocky for some reason, very positive he was right

[@maxdrags3115]

Vox is GARBAGE.

[@dudethisusername7285]

I understood the vox vid just fine

[@nightkore6756]

I dientes like the Marvel video neither, but meh no big problem. A really big problem I have with Vox (and maaaany other amazing educational/informational channels) is that they get into the political situation of other countries and just see the situation as if it was in the US. They don't really understand the mentality of the people in the other country, the context, culture and history.

[@idakiilerich6541]

Thankyou! Of course it was a great video, and you made some really good points, but I'm just really happy you explain what Vox was saying, because I reeeally didn't understand that video!😁

[@boncitagoyang6963]

Ida Kiilerich HAHA exactly! After I watched that Vox video when it first came out, I really did not understand the video one bit. But after watching this CM video I finally get where the Vox video is getting at 😂 The video is so messy

[@richardmartinez7802]

Bro. You're videos are great and I love them but I'm hones just SOOO impressed by your transitions. Especially the ones into your ads. I hate sponsors in videos, but yours, I watch everytime

[@erickkampa9360]

This VOX guy is completely biased. That's it. He simply doesn't like shared universes and tries to build an argument based on bad examples which barely relates to what Marvel Studios has been done since their first movie. He doesn't understand that the Marvel universe was built as a completely cohesive and integrated universe since it's beginning. All it's heroes are supposed to live in the same world. They are NOT forcing crossovers. Thats how the comics universe are and he doesn't understand it.

[@BeeWhistler]

I have to agree (with OP, lol). His criticism started with Marvel Comics, not the MCU. It was the kind of complaint that is usual best answered by asking why the complainer even consumes the media if they hate it so much.

[@argh523]

I guess midnight hates crossovers too and doesnt understand the marvel universe either, because he mostly agrees with the main points of the vox video.

[@LiquidMatterStudios]

EXACTLY.

[@GritsnBeans]

@@argh523 No, he's in love with their editing.

[@radrno7]

Bee Whistler Hating? At what point did Vox even say they didn’t like MCU films? They were criticizing it, which apparently is considered a sin by MCU fanboys because they can’t take the argument the MCU is not as good as they think it is, and it’s even worse, because the movies barely get criticized, as if critics just give them whatever rating to have some credibility or just flat out think that these movies don’t have to be good in order to be considered as such.

[@brianbuz770]

7.8 “Too many good movies.” - Vox

[@block-buster1039]

I understood that reference

[@brianbuz770]

Block- Buster Steve? Is that you???

[@betobenavides4868]

After watching a lot of your videos, this is the one that made me subscribe. Great job on this!

[@HeadCannon19]

Beto Benavides same for me

[@guthrowtaylorjohnson5758]

I see what you mean with your main point that crossovers are inartistic and overused but... a good crossover can be more artistic than the separate movies would you prefer it if Iron man, Hulk, Thor, Captain america and Spiderman existed in different universes? I would be devastated to see such potential as the avengers be ignored for the plot of each individual character. I understand that a character needs to evolve and develop but It's also important to see that development as a group. If Black panther and Antman did a cross over, I wouldn't be that thrilled, Its similar to as Starvengers crossover but to have a Captain America and Iron Man crossover is brilliant as they both have opposing views that exist in the same universe that DIRECTLY relate to the people their trying to protect. Should they be free to do what they want or should they be licenced by the government. Like Captain Midnight said the whole of Spiderman Homecoming's set up for the Vulture is a spectacular example of this. Damage control is a great comic series and I'd like to see more of it. Dc fails at this from going from a divided city on whether Super Man is good or bad to "EVERYONE misses Superman. Why is he dead." The Superman vs Batman movie had potential but misused it by making the characters connected by plot and not by their beliefs and ideology. If Thor just popped into a Spiderman film or comic and said. I was there when your father died and didn't save him dispite being a doctor would be a prime example of DC's mistakes. You can't throw different properties together without a level of connection or contrast that works well with each other. Again this relates to the tone and themes of properties but that's enough from me. Anyways good video and I'd love to see more like it.

[@whalwing25]

Manx Marvel what’s funny is I wouldn’t even calling Thor: Ragnorak a “crossover”. Hulk and Bruce were an established character in that universe who no one would be surprised to see standing next to Thor. Them together is just part of the universe, they are two characters who know each other completely. How is that a crossover?

[@milvache]

The MCU never feels empty. It feels like a whole universe where everything is connected.

[@nerdomania24]

disconnected

[@skxlter5747]

U know people hate perfect things like shared universes

[@MrZampo123]

After seeing infinity war on release night made real life feeling empty

[@ImAviex]

Nerdomania He didn't mention the DCEU though? :thinking:

[@TheExecutioner21]

not really

[@lad9732]

the vox video was basically "I dont understand how comics work"

[@Yamazaki742]

you really have mastered the segue, I barely even register that I'm listening to an ad at the end of your videos

[@paulcoy9060]

11:56 With Daredevil's increased senses, I find it difficult to imagine him eating something as nasty as a burger from any place in NYC.

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

One thing about the Ant-Man "Call the Avengers" scene that neither the Vox video nor your video touched on is that it also comes from a very character-driven place. Scott is overwhelmed by everything that's happening and everything he's hearing about for the first time, and he's not confident that he's up to the task. He thinks it's too big for him, pun intended. Yes, suggesting that Hank call the Avengers is certainly to address the obvious question fans would be asking in their own heads, but it's also a very human thing for Scott or anyone in his position to do and makes perfect logical sense from his character at that point in his journey.

[@guthrowtaylorjohnson5758]

he sort of touched on that saying that's what a normal person would do as they are the main hero group but I believe that it's one of the more forced reasons to add in the continuity of the avengers. It's also a way to build up the pairing though because in the comics Hank Pym worked with the avengers. It's no Ragnarock but there is still a lot of thought going into these scenes. At least more than "oi oi the avengers are a thing, lets call them so they can boost our profit"

[@deucezulu_22]

@@guthrowtaylorjohnson5758 I didn't think it was forced at all seeing as we saw Peggy Carter and Stark in the beginning of the film. And the fact Hank claims his tech could destroy the world, is a fitting logical choice to think of the Avengers for help.

[@guthrowtaylorjohnson5758]

My opinion isn't that they used the mention of the avengers wrong but that they could have found a better reason. Maybe Hank was good friends with Anthony Stark was a personal thing I was looking for in that movie but was a disappointed. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but that's mine.

[@vexis58]

I think they had to start doing that because of all the times in previous character-specific movies where I left the theater going "why didn't he call [one of the other Avengers] to help with this?" I really appreciated the realism added by that scene, because if this were a real world with real people, your first thought is going to be to ask the other superheroes for help. You either have to wrap up the other heroes so they're unavailable, give a real reason why they wouldn't be able to help in this situation, or in this case, refuse to ask for help. Simply not mentioning them at all is unrealistic and leaves the audience wondering.

[@guthrowtaylorjohnson5758]

Kiryn Silverwing this is the main reason why I dislike the end of ant man. Surely he being a hero would have heard of the crazy sightings of aliens and purple fortnite skins. You should check out how it should have ended's video on it.

[@petercummins2455]

I would definitely say that while marvel doesn’t produce as drastically different tonal films as fox, they definitely aren’t afraid to change things up. If you put winter soldier on and then ragnarok, you wouldn’t even say that they are in the same genre unless you knew about marvel, yet put on infinity war and both characters feel at home together. I love vox, but they definitely missed the mark here

[@Mentocthemindtaker]

Yes, I feel this is a great point that is totally missed by critics of the MCU.

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

True! In 2014 the MCU released both Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy!

[@radrno7]

Mentocthemindtaker Pff “critics” nowadays are just a mass of teens that will give good grades to anything they like, there are exceptions, but most will just say “it’s a movie for kids, you’re not supposed to think, just to have fun”

[@unknownredacted3513]

@@radrno7 Ahem Venom would like to speak with you

[@Jacob-sb3su]

Or how they kind of flipped the script with the Thor Ragnarok movie. I mean they essentially made a buddy cop film with Thor and Hulk.

[@twackburn]

Great video and all, but I can't say I love how your outro begins like an intriguingly grand thesis statement but turns out to be advertising for squarespace. It's like hearing *"Plentyy of room at the*- Marriot Hotel off exit 37" on the radio

[@Oceans711]

I just want to acknowledge the fact of your seamless transition from the end of your argument into the talking about your sponsor, was the best segwaying (thats not a word) I've seen on youtube. Flawless.

[@frootlup979]

Growing up I just assumed all of Marvel was connected and all of DC was connected

[@DeathBringer769]

That's just how it anachronistically seems looking back, but nope ;)

[@tjkhanks]

Very true. It has been that way for so long we forgot it wasn't always that way : )

[@marnerbroman]

For DC that's called Hypertime

[@TrippieFox]

I didn’t but I see where you are coming from haha

[@TKOverkill148]

Haha me too lol

[@marcusbenjilake]

Despite claiming up front that the Vox video was not clickbait- it was click bait. The end.

[@kiarawatts6829]

Also in Pulp Fiction, Mia tells the story of a pilot she was in called Fox Force Five where she played a character called Black Mamba. That was the foundation of Kill Bill 1 & 2. So they were connected in a way.

[@yautja89]

I'm certain that in Homecoming they dont just steal Chitauri tech but there're references to Ultron, Sokovia and Thor.

[@MysteriousMiddleEast]

Vox were clearly fishing for clicks. Not sure why so many people watched and why so many KZbinrs are responding. It was a forgettable video.

[@Nortarachanges]

Mysterious Middle East, yeeeah I didn’t even click on that one or the All the Heroes are Villains one. Those kind of videos tend to be obnoxious instead of interesting

[@codepizza5077]

Not even forgettable. It was downright infuriatingly stupid because it simply threw logic and common sense out the window to argue a concept that even a child could understand. To top it all off its also being explained by a smug idiot trying to sound smart

[@Jeudaos]

Because it was bad.

[@mbrooks842]

Not only did it feel like they were fishing for clicks (which they probably got) but the whole video felt like that irritating hipster that brings up a bunch of little known mostly useless tidbits of information into the essay that make it sound smarter than the argument actually is. I'm glad that CaptainMidnight called that out as a bad comparison. but like I say, I don't think that they made the comparison because it was a good one, I think they made it because not everyone knows about the snowglobe fan theory, and bringing new context to the table makes it seem like "if only you knew as much as I do you would see it the way I do". I knew the vox video was clickbait when I saw it. I knew I shouldn't have clicked on it, but I honestly wanted to see if they had valid points. through the whole video I disagreed with almost every argument that they made, because as this video stated very well, they made statements in the context that props up their point. and in the end I think they mainly took that position because they knew people like me would want to hear them out. I think one of the opening statements they made kinda made me realize that they look at the MCU and marvel differently than I do. something about wipe out half of them and there is still too many. I actually really like the vast collaboration of characters in the MCU. To me it shows that we all rely on each other, it gives lots of different types of characters to relate to. Ive always liked team up movies. and I think that these are the things that VOX is missing here.

[@RtistiqSkubie]

I didn't watch the Vox vid,but I am watching this...go figure.

[@ShinRyojin]

Vox did what every X-Men film fanboy does: hypocritically criticize the MCU for doing the things that the X-Men Films are guilty of doing.

[@johnbabylon7626]

And for doing a whole host of things the X-Men films only wish they could do.

[@KarinaHunter]

THANK YOU! I didn't want to validate his weird video by commenting on it; I wondered if he was just trolling to be honest and still think he may have been (makes for good viewer engagement right?) ANYHOW YOU explained what was wrong with his video so well, and I felt, like I think you described, being disappointed since often I find VOX videos informative and that one made me wonder about how misleading others I had trusted might have been. So, thanks again, well done. :)

[@lukelim5094]

If vox video is a thesis paper about Marvel Film, I will definitely fail the student.

[@OwenLikesComics]

*THANK YOU*

[@JPVersus_]

The problem with that video is that it puts a fan theory and a bunch of 1940's afterthought crossovers in the same lane as a well-thought-out string of movies. Like, comparing Tarantino's Red Apple to a Bruce Banner Easter egg is so bafflingly stupid that it draws in knee-jerk reactions from fans who'll gloss over the main problem with that: Bruce Banner is a real breathing character in that universe that has been seen multiple times and has a whole "Jekyll and Hyde" situation going, but it's funny to see that for "normal people", he's just a very smart boring scientist. Even an MCU Easter egg has a myriad of layers. It's not an empty universe and it's not overrated. It's smart and thought-out, unlike Vox's video.

[@caelummackay8039]

That link into Squarespace was the highlight of the video, smooth.

[@mikelewis495]

Regarding Spiderman Homecoming, you didn't even mention the fact that freaking Iron Man is actually in the dang movie with a role in the plot - a minor one, but still a role.

[@alexwong7324]

And we first met this Spider-Man in a Captain America movie.

[@baronsengir187]

If you take the X-men as an example how to make it right, you already lost me. He really did that?

[@ATrain2Raw]

Yeah bruh. He did.

[@kccx4x]

Facts 😂😂

[@philcorrigan5641]

I haven’t managed to pick my jaw up off the floor after hearing that either. I mean, seriously??! With a couple of exceptions the X-men movies have been objectively awful adaptations, and the older ones really haven’t aged well. Their success is 90% based on Hugh Jackman’s personal popularity. I get the feeling this Vox fella is just trolling us all... 🙄

[@CoinOpTV]

ohh snap - shots fired!

[@lucariopokemon13]

Lol

[@Scroteydada]

That video didn't need shots to go down.

[@jeremyhallman3186]

HEY. The word snap gives marvel characters ptsd

[@posterboy0007]

Yeah too bad Vox chose to battle with a dull butter knife.

[@DefenestrateYourself]

Vox is neither aware of this "fight" nor would they care if they were aware of it.

[@danhayek]

Your videos are such thoughtful critiques, thank you for sharing these with all of us.

[@robthurston527]

I enjoyed this video, thank you. In this video, and others, you use a backing track that sounds a lot like "Under your spell" by Desire. Where could I find that? track?

[@Kevin-jr7ue]

Fact that Vox also made a article about how “Marvel had a built such a impressive universe” and have this video is just confusing.

[@King_Sad_Boy]

I mean Elvis owned the rights to "I hate Elvis" t shirts. Play both sides and profit.

[@Quiro26]

I remember Jim Shooter , Marvel former Editor in Chief, making the continuity on the Marvel Universe a priority. Is there was a scene of a broken window in one issue of one comic there be another scene of a different title where that window was being repair. A small detail but maintaining the continuity.

[@zaneearldufour]

Great video! Saw that squarespace plug coming from a mile off though lol

[@lennart_glimpsel]

"I launched my own rocket" 🙂

[@zothOne]

Thank You! I hated that video

[@Sachi10007]

Same

[@genuinewinter1425]

Same

[@josharntt]

I already hated Vox

[@thewriterforge]

I hate the channel as a whole. They have a few good videos but most are hot garbage.

[@DrMadd]

If there's one thing I cannot stand it's people saying "The MCU is completely soulless and made only for the money". Because not only is it insulting to the filmmakers who do work hard to make quality products but it also implies that anything that isn't part of the MCU is made purely for artistic merit which is just total bullshit. A lot of movies that you see nominated for a best picture Oscar were not made because the director had some great vision but because some studio exec thought "Man, if I play my cards right I could get that nominated for an Oscar and make tons of money".

[@thelaughingmagician7724]

The reason people say that about the MCU is because their films are pumped out like a factory line, and that's not art.

[@thelaughingmagician7724]

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[@thelaughingmagician7724]

It's the same shit they're trying to do to Star Wars and it looks shady.

[@anyareyes2663]

The Laughing Magician just because they’re well planned out and effectively made? They have a clear story in mind. If they take their time and go through production hell, that’s the DCEU. They make these films efficiently and have learned over the years how to manage multiple productions.

[@cirnotheicefairy3609]

Its like they think Marvel make these movies for free. These guys make movies for money for making more and better movies that would be more memorable which also creates income for them and for our side, better entertainment.

[@In20xx]

I like most of Vox videos I've seen a lot, which is all the more reason I'm really glad you made this video. Great video!

[@marthamaywhovier5962]

your transitions into ads are smooth boi

[@THENBASTORYTELLER]

still feel like you took it easy on them.

[@biazacha]

He totally did.

[@MRCAB]

Yup.

[@mcphersontape]

Whoah, it’s a surprise seeing you here

[@Jeudaos]

He did

[@icedcapplord710]

Well it's wrong to approach this with a triggered mindset and inadvertently hate on the channel

[@kingofthebis1068]

What a marvel character crossover with another marvel character Imagine my shock

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

There's even been a Marvel/DC crossover

[@smoothblink]

Man I just really enjoyed this video. Really constructive and balanced. Also the smoothest segue ever at the end there.

[@jeffreyyelverton5567]

Thank you!

[@wastucar8127]

That Vox video was a total mess.

[@deewdrops]

*But* *that* *editing* *tho.*

[@smilingnihilist9620]

This can be said about almost any Vox video.

[@jeanleon3537]

Hey Cap Big fan.

[@SuperTierney24]

I understood that reference

[@moviefan8713]

Lol

[@Operation_Bagel]

I’m Spider-Man

[@massivespeedy5]

Hey everyone

[@justtryit4057]

That was a smooth transition to an ad props bro :)

[@cameroncannon8064]

They answered a question that we didn’t ask. They basically reported the history of cross-overs.

[@MusaTariq25]

You were too polite to that ridiculous video but I appreciate the balanced response

[@cosmicmcmoon5773]

Anger and hostility just makes things worse in an argument. Politeness is a much more effective weapon which Captain Midnight wielded better than Cap's shield.

[@laurocoman]

X Men? The guys at Voxed think X Men is a better take on linked films? X Men timeline is a fucking mess full of retcons! And half of those films don't only suck but they fail to fit in the narrative! You can call Marvel on their blandness and formulaic nature, mostly phase 2 which kinda sucked, but you just can't say Fox made a better job on anything, Logan and Deadpool were great but those are 3 films out of how many? And look at how bad their interconnection work! They had to recast everyone in X Men!

[@johnathonhaney8291]

I always look at the X-Men franchise as a failed experiment in MCU style storytelling. It could have been what the MCU became a decade earlier. But they squandered what they had. The only reasons Deadpool and Logan were made is because it was late in the cycle and they had screwed up so badly that they were just open enough to both.

[@laurocoman]

@@johnathonhaney8291 right! And let alone doing Deadpool 2 and Logan if the first Deadpool had tanked! They could have made the prequels a 2 parter so that Mystic left Xavier little by little and they could have stretched the Apocalypse saga for a long while giving each X men a role in the fight. But no, they threw everything at the wall recasting every 2 films hoping something stuck! And hardly any film didn't revolved around either Magneto or Charles. They never took a different road or tried to make anything in other genre and they were constantly changing every time something failed. Remeber Origins? They were supposed to be several films but they gave up immediately.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

@@laurocoman I think I am possibly the only person on the planet who actually liked Wolverine Origins actually. Yes, it was messy and as overstuffed with side characters as the mainline X-Men films. But it gets better to watch every time I give it a look. And yes, I DO recall Magneto was supposed to get his own Origins movie that was scrapped after Wolverine Origins crashed and burned. The biggest mistake was likely mindset. They thought of the X-Men franchise like individual films instead of TV episodes like MCU does.

[@laurocoman]

@@johnathonhaney8291 right, I heard that about Magneto. I also liked a few films everyone hates, like Iron Man 3 and I don't mind to watch Batman v Superman, it's not that bad because of the visuals... that Martha thing though XD

[@alonsoarana5307]

Bitchslapped hey more half of Phase 2 ranged from amazing to pretty good (Winter Soldier, Guardians, Age of Ultron, Ant Man)

[@bugazi3918]

Seeing this thumbnail suggestion saved me from ranting in the vox comments section... appreciate your calm talk down lol that arguement was such a reach wow

[@sunnyxymes]

The transition from the video to your sponsorship was smooth af

[@doxazo5512]

I couldn't finish their video, it was so bad

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

TrevorBOB it gets better at the end, apparently Xmen did a better job at shared universes

[@iamsheep]

kind of like Guardians 2

[@Thephinxst]

You’re the best, man. After seeing Vox’s video (all the way through) I was wondering if you’d make a response! The video didn’t even feel like a true Vox video, but one from a parallel earth.

[@rumor7055]

TheTopHatter yeah it was weird I wouldn’t be surprised if aqua-man showed up

[@freespeach99]

Seriously ... it was lacking any of their usual research & love for a topic. It felt like the dude had only watched the first two avengers movies.

[@pittland44]

I totally agree with you about the Marvel Universe being full of possibility. That's what makes it, for lack of a better term, something magical. It really is a place where there is something for everyone, and knowing Stan's philosophy on life I think he wanted it to be that way. It wasn't a place that excluded people, where ideas were unfeasible or dreams were impossible, and that's why it has endured and why so many people love it. It was the place where you could fly to the stars, travel beneath the ocean waves, fall in love with girls of every shade and variety, meat wizards and psychics and blind lawyers who fought crime at night. That's the appeal, and the interactions of the people who live there are a big part of the draw, both in the comics and on film. Does that mean they're always done well? No. But when they are, there's nothing quite like it, and they way you know that's true is some of the best interactions between the characters are not when they're fighting or going into battle. It's when they're sitting around, eating lunch or having a drink together. That's what makes the whole thing work. For as fantastical as the whole thing is, it still feels like a real place and they feel like real people, and we as real people can feel like we could live there too.