Why Winston Churchill is Despised in Ireland

[@gregbrogan9061]

Churchill believed in English superiority - their right to have an empire as if it benefited the savage natives. Interesting how 800 years of English rule in Ireland had left them the 'poor man of Europe' but 100 years after independence, Ireland is the 'rich man of Europe' and doing far better than Britain.

[@khar12d8]

They were poor long after independence, and that was because of Éamon de Valera. They have become richer by embracing corporate capitalism and developing a corporate tax haven. This happened from the late 20th century, a long time after independence. Ireland is a tiny country, a lower population than London. So making a comparison to the whole of Britain is difficult. Ireland does do better economically from parts of Britain. But other parts of Britain do better than Ireland. There's more variation in Britain.

[@gregbrogan9061]

@@khar12d8 - Did you get my point?!?!?!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Ireland is not the rich man of Europe or doing better than Britain. Housing is abysmal for example.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@khar12d8 It was not all Éamon de Valera's fault however it was very poor.

[@SuperMikado282]

@johnnotrealname8168 That's because the Irish who stayed in Ireland weren't enterprising. They preferred to emigrate. Even today, Ireland relies heavily on foreign gold .....the EU and a corporate tax haven for US companies. That's something that Brussels is concerned about.

[@williamgoldsmith3796]

When Sean O'Casey was arrested during Easter week 1916 he was badly treated by his British captors leading him to tell them "your empire began here and it will end here" How prophetic was that?

[@SuperMikado282]

@williamgoldsmith3796 He was quite happy to settle in England from 1927 and have his plays performed. The Abbey Theatre was not nearly so obliging.

[@dickdiver9614]

​@@SuperMikado282 No doubt the ramblings of a West Brit 😂

[@copferthat]

@@SuperMikado282 The most common name in Ireland is Paddy o' Hypocrisy

[@donnachamcgowan]

​@copferthat the most Common names in.britain is Black N Tan. Vermin.

[@dickdiver9614]

@@copferthat A hugely xenophobic rant not worthy of your previous contributions 🙄

[@davidoshea4325]

He is despised in Liverpool as well. He sent gun boats up the river Mersey and the army into the city. It was because Liverpool was the the last area to carry on the general strike.

[@Minime163]

@@davidoshea4325 the whole British establishment was like that. I seen a film about the coleminers strike in the 1920's I don't know how accurate this is but one of their union bosses sold them out and the labour government made it quite clear to them that if they didn't go back to work they'd be made redundant.

[@bunyip5841]

Yes, he was an imperialist snob who hated the working class as much as he hated his colonial 'objects'.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@bunyip5841 No, he was a reforming liberal who was an architect of the People's Budget (1909).

[@SuperMikado282]

@@Minime163 What exactly is a "coleminer"?

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

And Glasgow and Wales he sent in troops to break up strikes he said leave the wounded at Dunkirk covered up for the nazi loving Edward after the war starved India I think he has something to do with concentration camps in South Africa and all the military bollocks he dropped Norway dieppe Dunkirk Singapore arnhem gallopili shall I go on sectarian and racist man

[@History-jo3xd]

If Churchill is disliked, Cromwell is absolutely hated.

[@willhovell9019]

Cromwell was more complex. He may be hated in Ireland, but he freed Britain from Royal tyranny and murder, and seen as a great parliamentary general and defender of religious freedom, except catholic agents and Jesuits in the pay of France and Spain.

[@nealgarner6431]

@@History-jo3xd at least didn’t breed is people for export like de Verla did

[@michaelcassidy1864]

Indeed. "To hell or to Connaught"

[@PatTigue]

They both clowns n mouthpieces but we got rid of them ,never taut we'd win over them look at tem now no Steel or coal commenwelth broke their finished no loss just like tatcher gone

[@copferthat]

Well, as usual when you are dealing with the Irish they are always the victims. Do you think Cromwell invaded for the fun of it? Ireland were sending an army of 10,000 men to join the King in an English civil war, to determine who ruled England. They can't complain when England returns the favour. What is with the micks, always seeking martyrdom

[@adrianovasconcelos2739]

I am neither Irish nor British. Churchill undoubtedly played a key role in holding back the Nazis in WWII, but what he and the British Government did in Ireland, above all the partition and the anti-Catholic stance that bordered on religious apartheid, were unpardonable actions. The fact that WC had an Irish mother only makes those decisions more evil. This doc takes a mellowing approach that I find untruthful, to say the least: I doubt very much that WC mourned Michael Collins' demise, but must have been very relieved to see such a commanding opponent out of the battle. The very democracy that the UK and WC so famously claimed to fight for was contradicted in Ireland with repression, brutality, torture, and excessive use of the military for purposes other than defense. If I were Irish I would find it very tough to forgive WC.

[@russellhogan2708]

@@adrianovasconcelos2739 Excellent take.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

You seem to be unaware of this but Mícheál Seán Ó Coileáin by 1922 was on Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill's side. He was not an opponent and many on the British side came to admire Ó Coileáin. As for the rest, I do agree but the Pro-Treaty side was often as ruthless as the British, famously in Contae Chiarraí.

[@honey-feeney9800]

I get ya’. I’m Irish American. All of my predecessors were Irish and I carry a strong Affinity for Ireland .

[@adrianovasconcelos2739]

@@johnnotrealname8168 Thank you for your clarification. As I indicate at the start of my comment, I am neither British nor Irish, and I am rather ignorant about details such as Michael Collins being on WC's side. Of course, as in any conflict, both sides committed condemnable acts.

[@SnortingElk65]

Partition was not unpardonable; it was a political necessity. Just as the majority of the south yearned for independence, so a strong core of Ulster wished to remain part of the UK. Whilst the precise borders are open to justified criticism, forcing all of the north to join a united, independent, Ireland would have been undemocratic and led to a second, perhaps more bloody civil war. The key negotiators, Churchill and FE Smith for the British, and Collins for the Irish were kindred spirits. On partition, each came to realise that the principles of their own cause also underpinned the position of those opposite.

[@brendanwalsh9829]

He sent the Black and Tans with permission to do what they liked, which they did.

[@neilodonohoe3841]

He sent the Auxiliaries not the Black & Tans.

[@brendanwalsh9829]

@@neilodonohoe3841 Both were sent. The Black and Tans were constables attached to the RIC, the Auxiliaries were a counter-insurgency force. The Back and Tans developed a reputation due to their behaviour and reprisals on the civilian population. Summary executions were common, as was the burning of houses, villages and even cities such as Cork. This was tacitly condoned by the British Establishment including Churchill.

[@brendanwalsh9829]

@@neilodonohoe3841 He sent both. The Black and Tans were recruited as Constables to help the RIC. The Auxiliaries were a counter-insurgency force. The Black and Tans were notorious for their brutality which they applied with impunity which was approved by Churchill et. al. Houses, farm and business premises, as well as villages and towns and cities such as Cork were burned to the ground. Murder of the civilian population was common and done with impunity. Hence the hatred of Churchill in Ireland.

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@neilodonohoe3841 who were the specials was that not another shower off killers

[@copferthat]

The Black and Tans were sent to deal with the brutal, sadistic, uncaring IRA and when they began to treat the IRA like the IRA have always treated everybody else, they didn't like it and switched to their victimhood status.

[@northred4930]

We don’t dislike him we despise him .

[@garethjohn3184]

I am a Welshman and also cringe to hear how great he was? Not a hero to me !

[@abc.972]

But you like the freedom that him and the millions killed created for which you did nothing, as usual. The rest of us despise and never forget the representative signature placed upon the Book of Condolence for Adolf Hitler by Ireland. Sums it up really.

[@copferthat]

Well, not surprising really, the Irish don't go in for disliking anything, they always stick to despising

[@copferthat]

@@garethjohn3184 You do know you're in a tiny minority of Welsh communist simpletons?

[@martinholmes-ue9ko]

We don't care.

[@davidh6543]

The older I get (and I'm quite old) the more it gladdens my heart to have seen Britain's overbearing, belligerent presence visibly shrink over the years, Churchill, and Britain, are largely irrelevant to the younger generation in Ireland, apart from the 6 counties of Ulster, which is a work in progress. Long may that trend continue. That being said, Churchill is definitely on Ireland's historical sh*t list, along with Cromwell, Trevelyan, Lord John Russell, Maggie Thatcher.........ah well I'll leave it there.

[@sojnab1]

Well said,it was an ignorant pig

[@phillipsugwas]

You could have added some West Brits like John Nelson Darby. More trouble caused there than ever seems possible. It even links into US groupings vis a vis the ME

[@joekavanagh8997]

Churchill was an alcoholic and I believe this affected his judgement ,not just as regards Ireland but the world. World War 11 was won by Russian blood ,at least 20 million dead . All the "Battle of Britain " hype is a load of bollox.And anyway the best pilots in that particular part of the war weren't British but Czech and Polish airmen who knew how to fly a plane.

[@longdeadfox219]

... also five pound Vicky. A pox upon their memories!

[@itseamuscallan7004]

i agree completely The Irish people suffered ,mass murders rapes and torture comitted by the Blackntans.in Ireland just like many of their ilk before them. WC sent in these brave boys to Ireland they were the equal of any Nazi Murderer. so Fuck Churchill. i hope he is still burning in Hell

[@barrymanley4975]

Churchill remains a hated ( not divisive) figure not only in Ireland, but in any part of the world where imperialism is relentlessly pursued.

[@thevillaaston7811]

Where in the world is imperialism is relentlessly pursued?

[@LionelMessi-ct7tu]

@@thevillaaston7811absolutely nowhere. These paddy’s just love other terrorist states and organisations like Hamas and hezballah. They also got into bed with the nazi’s. Awful people and country!

[@andrewclarke6899]

​@@thevillaaston7811Don't you just love them plastic paddies sitting on land that rightfully, by their own argument, belongs to the First Nations, who were robbed of their territories by the American Republic through a series of "treaties" that they hadn't the faintest intention of keeping. Usually, on further examination, your Plastic Paddy's Irish roots are lost in the mists of time. All that's left of Irish culture are the three As - alcohol, antisemitism and anglophobia.

[@Mary-Kp9ie-p1w]

@@thevillaaston7811 Doesn't make it right!

[@Muller-s5f]

@@thevillaaston7811 He wasted countless ANZAC lives in the folly that was Gallipoli. Colonial cannon fodder

[@DidYaServe]

I'm Irish but, as a human, what makes me hate Churchill the most is what he did to India and what he started in Palestine. He was an imperial racist drunk. Same as drinking buddy Stalin at the end of the day.

[@GrahamCahill-uj3sc]

Total nonsense. Stalin was a complete bastard like you cannot believe, he starved 20 million Ukrainians to death for starters, there is no comparison but most Irish people know this anyway

[@DawnohopeBridge]

You might think again of how bad humans can be when the government turns out the load of immigrants now been fed for free in hotels up and down the country you might be glad to be given the chance to run for your life......

[@Jamacianwoodbine]

How is Churchill responsible for the bengal famine ? I will admit that the British policy of a scorched earth policy in bengal didn't help but the British were at war with the Japanese who had already taken Burma, people in Britain were on food rationing during ww2 food rationing that didn't end till the mid 50s !!! Food available was given to the millions of soldiers fighting the axis , practically even if food had been available to send the food ships would of been sank by Japanese subs , a scorched earth policy during wartime and a cyclone don't equate to mass murder and genocide , India had always suffered famines long before the east India company got there , for what it's worth the Indian population rose by 300% that the British were in India, policies like banning the throwing of widows onto funeral pyres and outlawing baby girl infantaside Rose the population , along with the Indians having access to new vaccines and medicines 💊 that had previously killed millions , remember your country stayed neutral during ww2 , you had your own blue shirt fascists and plenty of irish republicans had nazi sympathies , your prime minister Eaton de la Vera even sent a message of condolence 🙏 to the German people of the death of Adolf Hitler, even tho the nazi atrocities were known then and had been for a couple of years by politicians around the world , as someone who has jewish grandparents I will always be grateful 🙏 to Churchill that he was the only one who forsae the danger of Hitler in the 30s and kept Britain in the war in 1940 when the Germans wanted an armistice with Britain as they saw them as aryan cousins , they didn't wanna fight Britain they wanted to fight the soviet Union

[@copferthat]

When facing the serious allegation that Churchill deliberately worsened the Bengal famine, it is essential to look at the primary sources: what was actually said at the time, and what the actual policies were. All of this is available at the Churchill Archives in Cambridge. And the truth is very different to what is frequently peddled by outlets like the Guardian and the BBC. In October 1942, a cyclone struck Bengal and Orissa in British India, wiping out much of the rice crop in the region. Transportation of food and other resources were hindered as southern railways were washed away. The cyclone threw part of the subcontinent’s weather system out of sync, ruining the normal winter harvest in Northern India. Previously, this could have been alleviated by the authorities purchasing grain in the surrounding territories of Burma, Malaya, Thailand and the Philippines. But these territories were all under Japanese occupation. Constitutionally, the famine was a matter reserved to local provincial governments run by Indians. However, once the news of the severity of the situation reached Westminster, the Churchill administration did all it could to alleviate the famine. Churchill summoned the war cabinet on many occasions to discuss aid. Hundreds of thousands of tons of grain were shipped to India to try to make up the shortfall. The minutes of a 1944 January War Cabinet meeting show that from mid-October 1943, about 80,000 tons of wheat were shipped from Australia to India, with 130,000 tons of barley sent from Iraq. In the same memo, another 100,000 tons of wheat from Canada were ordered to be shipped during the first two months of 1944. Generally though, Churchill was struck with two fundamental problems: the shipping crisis and the Japanese fleet. Allied shipping was severely overstretched, and there were not enough ships for its current missions. Not only would these key ships have to be diverted from their objectives to send grain to India, but from April 1942 onwards, the Japanese maintained a powerful fleet of submarines and battlecruisers in the Bay of Bengal. These were a great threat to merchant shipping and were posted there throughout the famine period. A government paper for the Chiefs of Staff Committee of the War Cabinet, of which Churchill had a copy, demonstrated the grave Japanese threat in the region. Marked ‘Strategy for the War against Japan’ on the 1 March, 1944, it showed that the ‘estimated area into which a Japanese Battleship/Carrier raiding force might penetrate’ was devastatingly far inside the Bay of Bengal. From near the coast of the Maldives to South Burma, Japanese submarines and battlecruisers wreaked havoc on the East Indian shipping routes. Nevertheless, the British administration still managed to send about a million tons of grain to India between August 1943 and December 1944. Many of Churchill’s detractors point to declining grain being sent from Canada as evidence of him deliberately refusing aid for India. What it actually demonstrates is that Churchill was strategic and sent grain from closer places to reduce any logistical issues and allow food to reach starving Bengalis quicker. If you read the full November 1943 telegrams between Churchill and Canadian Prime Minister, Mackenzie King, Churchill is clearly exonerated from the charge that he starved Indians in Bengal. In these telegrams Canada offered India 100,000 tons of wheat. Shipping wheat from the Canada’s West coast was impractical, given that Canada was already inadequately trying to transport timber goods for aeroplane manufacturing and Chilean nitrate to Egypt. And, as Churchill noted, it was a nightmare shipping from eastern Canada given that the journey would take at least two months. He instead had the wheat ordered from Australia where it would take three to four weeks to arrive. Winston, and the war cabinet, chose the most practical and quick option. Those who refuse to accept this and pretend that Churchill simply refused to aid India are completely wrong. Later in April 1944, a rather distraught Churchill telegrammed President Roosevelt, pleading for American aid. He wrote that: ‘I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India’ and ‘by cutting down military shipments and other means, I have been able to arrange for 350,000 tons of wheat to be shipped to India from Australia during the first none months of 1944. This is the shortest haul. I cannot see how to do more.’ In the same message he asked the United States for a ‘special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia.’ Roosevelt’s response was depressing - America could not divert any ships without hindering its military operations. There was to be no American aid. Of course, we must remember that throughout all of this, not only was Japan attempting to invade India but it was bombing coastal cities. This damage worsened the crisis. In December 1943, a bombing raid over the Calcutta docks caused major port backlogs. Accidents didn’t help either, such as when a ship caught fire and blew up in April 1944 at the Bombay docks. Not only was the port not fully functional for six months but that one explosion destroyed over 36,000 tons of food. So where do the false accusations of Churchill engineering or prolonging the famine come from? Partly from conspiratorial works which neglect many of the facts referenced above. But the primary reasoning is based on alleged quotes Churchill made in private, that Indians were ‘a beastly people with a beastly religion’. This quote though is actually taken from Amery’s diaries (the secretary of state of India). If one looks at the full context, Churchill was at the time under immense pressure, with the Quit India Movement refusing to compromise with the British government over independence. In doing this, they were helping the Japanese, as the independence movement encouraged mass disobedience at a time when Japan was invading the country. Can we not forgive Churchill, a man bearing the weight of the world on his shoulders, whilst being ill for much of the war (he had a heart attack in December 1941, multiple bouts of pneumonia and more)? If Churchill’s detractors actually bothered reading Amery’s diaries, they would see that Churchill often had quick bursts of rage to blow off steam. Yes, these comments were awful and racist, but to pretend that this represented his view on Indians is dishonest. Winston was a paternalistic imperialist. He was condescending, yes. But he was not genocidal. His opposition to Indian self-government in the 1930s was out of fear of the Brahmins abusing the Untouchables. He was extremely concerned that premature independence would cause the subcontinent to partition, but Churchill on many occasions professed concern for the wellbeing and protection of Indians. He once said, ‘I want to see a great shining India, of which we can be as proud as we are of a great Canada or a great Australia.’ And recounted that, ‘The unsurpassed bravery of Indian soldiers and officers, both Moslem and Hindu, shine for ever in the annals of war…The response of the Indian peoples, no less than the conduct of their soldiers, makes a glorious final page in the story of our Indian Empire.’ To paint Churchill as an unapologetic racist, responsible for the Bengal famine is a gross distortion of history.

[@SuperMikado282]

​@copferthat Well said, sir 👏

[@JohnKirwan-zp5fl]

Churchill tried to deny India independence too!!

[@russellhogan2708]

@@JohnKirwan-zp5fl Amritsar massacre.

[@brigidspencer5123]

Churchill was from a hoity toity background and a Conservative. Conservatives only look after their own, hate unions because they protect the average working person by preventing the upper classes from exploiting the people who actually do the work.

[@davidmorris6278]

He sent warships up the River Mersey with orders to open fire on Liverpool if the people didn't end the general strike at the time of the great depression.

[@marybedward9381]

My Welsh neighbours loathed him for sending troops to the strikes.

[@Ubique2927]

Which strikes?

[@thepopesmokesdope6774]

My father , who was Irish, a Republican and a socialist hated him too for sending the Black & Tans to Ireland and for putting troops on the streets during the 1926 general strike.

[@Ubique2927]

@@thepopesmokesdope6774 He just hated him. he didn't need a reason.

[@davidaldridge6870]

My grandfather hated him too . He was a striking miner at the time

[@themaestro3034]

@@thepopesmokesdope6774 I love him for that 😀

[@andromeda60]

How could an Irish person but despise Churchill. He never did anything good for us. I could never see him as a hero.

[@copferthat]

And if he was still alive I'm sure he'd be really upset

[@Kodakcompactdisc]

@@copferthat I’d like to think so.

[@copferthat]

@@Kodakcompactdisc And if he hadn't led the Brits to victory the Nazis would have used us as a stepping stone to wipe Ireland off the face of the earth. He sent money to the IRA you know but the IRA naturally just took it and spent it on themselves which humiliated and incensed Hitler and he swore to annihilate Ireland. Fortunately for you Britain was in his way

[@KerinCrowe]

@@Kodakcompactdisc Don't waste your sympathy on an imbecile - we Australians are not very fond of that Richard Cranium. He didn't mind Canada and Australia feeding him and his beloved empire but really went ballistic when we decided we needed our troops back home. Fortunately an Irish Australian stood up for us and insisted.

[@johngilmore6688]

You'd be speak German, also living under European rules; oh I guess you are!

[@erichstocker8358]

One of the big differences between Churchill and Roosevelt was Churchill's insistence that the maintenance of the British empires was one of the goals of WWII. Ireland, of course, had its independence by then (except for the 6 counties under British domination). but India was a major bone of contention between Churchill and Roosevelt. Empire was key to Churchill.

[@wewhofly]

Yes, it was Empire. He was a 19th century man, he grew up under all the pomp and ceremony of Victorian Empire. He was no commoner, he was an aristocrat, and even though he used Parliament during war, the war allowed him pretty much to rule as a single entity on behalf of his King. He didn't fight the war to save the peoples of Europe, his goal was Empire. It's not to say he was naïve and could not see the writing on the wall for the British Empire, even in victory - needing the US would humble any delusions he might have still held in that department -, but in his heart he believed in destiny and in a world after the war when the Empire might regain lost territory, power and influence. His mind never left the 19th Century.

[@haroldbridges515]

In his cabinet meetings during the War Roosevelt always regarded the British Empire as the man economic enemy of the US since they blocked American trade with the colonies. According to some reports Roosevelt consistently referred to Churchill himself as "the old drunk."

[@monarchist1838]

@@wewhofly Churchill was an aristocrat. A man who suffered the burden and dangers of soldiering from the Sudan, India, Afghanistan, South Africa, and the trenches of the Western Front. Yes, you deduced correctly an officer born in the Victorian era was proud of the British Empire and the system of governance it established in the world that survives to the present day. Churchill sought to defend all peoples of the Empire. He defended Indians in South Africa and condemned the Jallianwala Bagh massacre. In 1935 he told Gandhi’s friend Ghanshyam Das Birla that he supported the movement and was saddened by his later murder. India was vital for Churchill in his eye as Britain needed a base to defend its interests in Asia. He vehemently praised the contribution of the Indian army during the war.

[@SuperMikado282]

@erichstocker8358 The UK would have divested itself of its empire. You don't just walk away. You have to ensure that responsible people are going to govern the country when you have left. Sadly, some of the people who came after were wanting to say the least.

[@haroldbridges515]

@@SuperMikado282 You attribute a thoughtfulness to the Brits for which there is no evidence. When they did divest themselves of India in 1947 they did so with the most irresponsible haste imaginable resulting in one millions deaths and 10 to 20 millions displaced.

[@peterl5804]

In Bengal he is seen as the mass murderer he was there.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

He was not.

[@peterl5804]

@ I think your position is increasingly seen as an outlier. Churchill was responsible by wilful neglect, he had the option of preventing the disaster but didn’t. His reasons were racist to the extreme as the now opened archives have shown.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@peterl5804 No, it is not. I have read a recent article on it. Food was actually scarce, Burma was occupied by the Japanese and there was a War on! Also the archives do not prove he was racist, it proves the opposite. I would write he was surprisingly not racist for his time.

[@andrewclarke6899]

​@@johnnotrealname8168I believe there was a lot of hoarding going on. By Bengalis.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@andrewclarke6899 From what I have read there was some hoarding yes but not enough to cause a famine.

[@pamgeorge8523]

He's disliked in Wales too for his behaviour as Home Secretaryv when he sent troops to quell a miner's strike. We booed him as children when he appeared on the news in the Saturday matinee.

[@copferthat]

More fantasy

[@jillybe1873]

Diolch

[@Bellabella-n2i]

@@copferthat it’s a fact the Scottish and Welsh despise him!

[@copferthat]

@@Bellabella-n2i Is your ability to spout bullshit a natural gift, or have you had to study for it?

[@themaestro3034]

Well if they got their asses back to the mines then troops wouldn’t have been sent 🤷‍♂️

[@margaretmanion9121]

Benjamin Franklin visited Ireland in 1773 and was shocked by the poverty there, which was worse than any he had seen in New England. He was worried that if the American colonies remained under British rule, they would end up like Ireland, and this persuaded him to fight for American independence.

[@edwardfrostickblois4191]

Not just the Irish, right-thinking people everywhere should despise him as one of the most evil men in history.

[@GrahamCahill-uj3sc]

You are insane ! Imagine if Russia had been in charge of Ireland, honestly how many would have survived the enormous murders of the czars like as happened in the Ukraine? Churchill ? Not in their league!

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@@edwardfrostickblois4191 Churchill used to write letters to mussolini he coverd up for the traitor king Edward after the war he said leave the wounded behind at Dunkirk he didn't give a flying f about the 2.500 yanks killed at pearl harbour he was jumping for joy the yanks were in the war to bail him out

[@copferthat]

In what way?

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@@copferthat everyway

[@mrmouse7642]

​@@copferthat Think Tonypandy 1910, Liverpool 1911, Russia 1920, the Dardanelles 1915, Dieppe raid 1942, Greece, the Bengal Famine for a start. Changing parties twice? His modern position as all-purpose saint is largely a result of the Falklands and Thatcher. Prior to that he was very much a divisive figure. Enemy of the working class and "imperial subjects". Entitled aristocrat and imperialist. Not for him war time rationing - had to have his champagne, brandy and cigars.

[@desmneylon]

Churchill fanned the flames of sectarian hatred and division in Ireland with inevitable consequences for Ireland and the demise of the Empire.

[@andyb.1026]

Divide and Rule 😢

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@@desmneylon prody pisshead

[@SuperMikado282]

The only people who fanned the flames of sectarian hatred in Ireland were the Irish themselves.

[@SuperMikado282]

​@@andyb.1026Rule what? An impoverished backwater that kowtowed to the Vatican. Until quite recently as well.

[@fintanotoole3514]

Impoverished backwater, welcome aboard England 🤣🤣🤣😋

[@daviddunne4737]

As viceroy of Ireland, Churchill's grandfather, the Duke of Marlborough, inhabited what is now Áras an Uachtaráin. Churchill's father, Lord Randolph, served as the Duke's secretary and from age two until age six, Churchill lived in Dublin. During World War II, what later became the Republic of Ireland was now officially neutral and independent from the UK. However, over 80,000 Irish-born men and women (north and south) joined the British armed forces, with between 5,000 and 10,000 being killed during the conflict. History is strange , it now looks like Britain can't govern itself . What would he make of Brexit ?????????????

[@wewhofly]

Well, he might laugh at the notion that Ireland is not now again part of an Empire. Never forget, majority Irish sympathy and empathy was not with the men of 1916 UNTIL they began to be executed; and it was a newspaper called the 'Irish Independent' that was most vociferous in opposition to the men of 1916. And on to today? Criticise the GREAT EU and you are deemed..... well, you know the list of words. History IS strange. You are absolutely right. It repeats and repeats and history students themselves resist the urge to see it repeating. Because, of course, politics is a much stronger force than history. All men become blind in politics.

[@fiachramaccana280]

@@wewhofly complete nonsense. The Irish people's views were never consulted by anyone including the Norman Irish media until after 1918. The Irish electorate jumped 5 xs in 1918. That was when democracy was born in Ireland. Which means that in all previous elections less than 20% of the Irish people had a vote. The media catered exclusively to that 20% and was dominated by Norman and Anglo Irish papers in the 26 counties and by Unionists in the 6. 80% of the Irish electorate were voiceless and had been since 1169. The Catholic church was also run largely by Norman or Norman sympathy bishops. Lazy Irish historians have repeated this ahistorical nonsense about who supported what in 1916 based on the views of the Norman/Anglo Irish media such as the so called Irish independent owned by the very Norman William Martin Murphy. Who was educated in Belvedere College; one of the hallowed private schools for the Norman Irish. No self respecting Corkman would ever be educated in a private school in Dublin unless he was a Norman through and through. May I further remind you that thus was during wartime when in any event frank reporting of views contrary to the British government was illegal.

[@wewhofly]

@@fiachramaccana280 "Democracy was born." 5 million people in an Empire of 450 million. We don't even control our own tax system anymore and get fined when we disobey orders from Brussels. Believe the idealistic poetry and songs if you wish. At least the Belvedere 'Dublin Elite' crowd and self-respecting Corkmen now agree with each other - you all worship the new god, EU. Every cloud.....

[@fiachramaccana280]

@@wewhofly and whoever wasted money on your education should get a refund. Ireland like every EU member has a veto on every proposals. Its a club where all members must agree. Even a 5 year old knows that. Refund!! Demand a refund!!!! you were robbed!!!!!

[@fiachramaccana280]

@@wewhofly and if ye dont like it sod off to the England of yer Norman ancestors.... you will be happy dere with yer own kind dumpster diving and living in filth...

[@billcollins6705]

Churchill sent the black and tans to Ireland. This immediately categorized him as a total scumbag until the end of time.

[@kieranmclaughlin8920]

My grandad, from Glasgow, with Irish heritage, fought overseas for six years of WWII. He despised Churchill. All of his comrades did. They understood he was a power-hungry simpleton. Typical of the landed gentry.

[@LoveYourLuck]

it's well known that hitler made unofficial contact with churchill to stop the 2nd world war in its early stages ( i think about 1941 ). Churchill wouldnt let go, couldnt imagine a future where Hitler wasnt obliterated...if he had chosen the path of peace we would have had no D-Day carnage, no millions murdered no jewish holocaust ...all because Churchill, the warmonger, had to have his way

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

Uve got it pal and your grandad 👏👏

[@kieranmclaughlin8920]

@@DavidBroadley-tw7ks 👊

[@postscript67]

I think the simpleton was your grandad.

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@@postscript67 P---K

[@seanmccann8368]

Churchill was lucky to have lived in the time of Hitler and Stalin, the made him look less of a war criminal.

[@monarchist1838]

Yet Churchill fought to preserve democracy.

[@ncheedxx0109]

​@monarchist1838 Wrong. He fought to preserve the Empire. He didn't care that much for democracy. In the 1950s Churchill authorized concentration camps in Kenya, only 7 years after the Russian army freed Auschwitz.

[@LoveYourLuck]

it's well known that hitler made unofficial contact with churchill to stop the 2nd world war in its early stages ( i think about 1941 ). Churchill wouldnt let go, couldnt imagine a future where Hitler wasnt obliterated...if he had chosen the path of peace we would have had no D-Day carnage, no millions murdered no jewish holocaust ...all because Churchill, the warmonger, had to have his way

[@PatTigue]

He bigger tramp tan Hitler at least Hitler not drunk every day lik him fat drunk slob !!!

[@mickmcgregor66]

​@@monarchist1838He only fought to save his own ass.

[@simonlitten]

Churchill was a person who saw England first and all others as lesser. He opposed decolonisation to the detriment of those colonies and the UK's relationship with them. He was also a poor military taction being responsible for the Dardanelles campaign in WW1 and misadventures in WW2. Ireland was supposed to get home rule in 1914 but WW1 scuppered that. I wouldn't be surprised if Churchill was a leading voice in the deferment argument.

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@simonlitten he s a half breed half yank isn't he not the full english

[@copferthat]

You have to take the Dardanelles in context. Here we are, locked tight on the western front, thousands dying every week in the most appalling meat grinder for not a yard of land. Somebody had to try something different and the Dardanelles was a sound idea executed badly. Following it he left office and went to serve on the front line. Over 30 times he went off into no man's land at night. You can say what you like about the man from the comfort of your armchair but he was a very courageous soldier and had served in more wars than his own generals of WW2

[@copferthat]

@@DavidBroadley-tw7ks And you're not a full shilling

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

Churchill and Cromwell 2 shithouses

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

​@@copferthat sod off

[@vinstyles]

After 800 years of British tyranny, how the hell could Ireland suddenly fight alongside Britain? Also, the US stood by too after Churchill begging and begging them to engage and give arms and the US told Britain to pee off. But Churchill hadn't a bad word to say about the US. I wonder why?

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

He s half yank isn't he

[@SuperMikado282]

@vinstyles What utter uninformed nonsense you post. The Irish quite happily fought along with the British for the Empire and during WW1 and WW2. There were several Irish regiments, and the Irish distinguished themselves in the Royal Navy and Air Force. The U.S.A did not tell Britain to pee off and was hampered by neutrality laws and popular isolation issues. Presumably, you would have liked to have seen Europe ruled by the Nazis.

[@SDMcC1916]

​@@SuperMikado282many irish bought into the propaganda and joined the British armed forces during both world wars, but that doesn't mean there isn't popular support for irish neutrality in Ireland. Thousands joined the war effort, millions refused

[@briwire138]

Wasn't he half American?

[@SuperMikado282]

@@SDMcC1916 Millions? The population of Ireland was very small at that time.

[@merseydave1]

My Family is from Liverpool, my Mum catholic Dad protestant ... he fought in W.W.2 against Fascism. We Hated Churchill on two fronts 1, he was a Conservative 2, he divided Ireland and its people.

[@leechgully]

He was not particularly loved in Australia either. There are lots of Aussies of Irish descent and others who were told through family and trade union education about his role in Ireland and the suppression of workers in the UK. He threw lives away in the failed Galipoli campaign. Then in WW2 , he refused to cooperate with our Prime minister , Curtin who wanted troops returned to Australia for national defence after the fall of Singapore. Churchill at times refusing to provide adequate naval escorts for troop ships retuning from the Middle East and then attempting to divert them to Burma. He never had anything but contempt for the colonies and the dominions.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

It does seem that he had a tendency to use the Dominions but this is an eminently unfair portrayal. For example he was a backer and pusher of The People's Budget (1909).

[@patrickmurphy6021]

I wonder why the Irish did not welcome the leader of an occupying country?

[@monarchist1838]

Because their own government offered condolences to Germany upon the death of Adolf Hitler.

[@philtheugli]

@@monarchist1838 I'm sure the Irish government offered condolences on the death of the King also, and probably the death of Churchill as well. What British people and Churchill in particular failed to understand is that when a jackboot is standing on your neck, it matters very little to you whether that boot is German or British. The British seem to think the British boots are somehow softer and leave less of a mark on your neck than German ones, and that because the invading army spoke English, "Well they must be on the side of the good guys". I can assure you that from an Irish perspective, there was precious little difference between the British and the German forces at the time. Both would have been invading armies, and we had already had the British variety and it was every bit as nasty as the German kind would have been. Think on it like this. As a proud Irishman, I and the entire nation of Ireland speak English as our first language, NOT our own language, Irish. That's just one legacy of British rule in Ireland. Would it really have been so different had we ended up speaking German?

[@monarchist1838]

@@philtheugli Do you think Britain would have set up concentration camps in Ireland to systematically slaughter Jews, minorities, and other ‘undesirables’? Tell, would Hitler have granted Irish independence or would he have unleashed a monumental retribution? Exterminating entire communities as he did in occupied Western Europe and Russia? At the end of the day, Churchill fought for democracy. British democracy helped bring about the creation of the Irish Free State, and preservation of democracy in Europe. I remind you Churchill didn’t punish the men of Southern Ireland who fought in the British Army to destroy fascism, unlike the Irish Government who ostracised 5,000 surviving Irishmen who battled the forces of Nazism. The were formally dismissed from previous roles in the Irish army, stripped of all pay and pension rights, and prevented from finding work by being banned for seven years from any employment paid for by state or government funds. The Dail would subsequently pass a starvation order in the form of a list of these men to bar them from certain occupations. They never got an apology until 2013.

[@joemdee]

@@monarchist1838 you should remember that Irish nationalists and Irish republicans are as brainwashed as Putin’s supporters.

[@anthonycosgrave8539]

@@monarchist1838 Britain did set up concentration camps in South Africa so why even ask that question?. The thing of " Ireland would have been much worse under Germany" is a lame excuse.

[@tonycarton8054]

My granny referred to him as the warmonger

[@monarchist1838]

@@tonycarton8054 do you think he should have sued for peace with Nazi Germany after the fall of France, allowing Europe to remain under German occupation and genocide for the indefinite future?

[@copferthat]

Yes, he understood war and he understood nazism, well before the rest of the world cottoned on. Ireland should be grateful to him, for without him we most certainly would have lost the war and after the Nazis had conquered Britain, where do you think they would head next?

[@Les-d1n]

Most of your interpretation of Irish history is make believe. Churchill was no friend of Northern Ireland .He refused to defend it during the formative years by letting terrorists raiders from the south cross the border to murder and plunder .He also would have handed Northern Ireland to the south in exchange for the use of the Atlantic ports during WW2.

[@copferthat]

@@Les-d1n Churchill was the right man in the right place at the right time and you should thank all your gods he was

[@Steve-gr6jm]

​@@copferthat Why would he have been interested in Ireland considering we had nothing of value?

[@JohnMcEvoy-sv7bd]

The man was a Villian

[@themaestro3034]

Irish always gonna blame someone else for their ineptitude at growing something as easy as a potato 😆

[@basilpunton5702]

As an Australian I have only a negative reaction to that horrible politician. His complete disregard for other countries. He refused the return of Australian troops and ships from the European war, even as the threat from Japan became real. His answer was that if Japan invaded Australia, then the British would come and throw them out. No one accepted that could be done. Basically that any country supplying forces to fight his part of the war could not take them back for their own defence. Britian never stood alone against the nazi perils. Not even Churchill made that claim. He said 'that in all of Europe, Britian alone stood against the nazis'. Complete disregard for that truth is a common English trait.

[@bentaylor330]

Churchill sent British soldiers into liverpool killed 2 and injured 300 in the transport strike.. liverpool will always welcome the irish as most are families. Churchill was a fat mess

[@copferthat]

Victimhood has been honed into a science by the scousers

[@mikki3562]

Churchill was an arch enemy of Irish indepenednce and nothing more to us in Ireland.than that. He was also a good friend to Stalin because he recognised in Stalin, a counter-revolutionary to Bolshevism. I like this video because it trys to speak honestly about the world's greatest evil, the British empire.

[@DawnohopeBridge]

British empire evil?, wait until the Albanians and others form ranks all young fighting men ....ya seen nothing yet

[@copferthat]

An empire the Irish have contributed handsomely to.

[@mikki3562]

@@copferthat You can say that if you take the view, which you apparently do, that the slaves also contribute handsomely to the slaveholder's power and wealth. Ireland was enslaved by the British empire and fought against it. Do you not know that?

[@copferthat]

@@mikki3562 I know that. The Brits are accused of enslaving the world, by one person or another and as my post below states, they could not have done that without the Irish. Take a bow

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

Churchill used to write letters to mussolii he admired him he also covered up for the traitor king Edward after the war

[@vincentbrowne8639]

Churchill was a viscous class warrior on the side of the elite- he was a snob and an incompetent military leader- remember he was kicked out after the slaughter of WWII

[@vincentbrowne8639]

@Albert-k1b yes he was - read history

[@vincentbrowne8639]

Ah, speling error, I see what you meen!

[@copferthat]

And I thought he was Knighted here and bestowed with a hundred honours and decorations from the nations of Europe. How ignorant I must have been?

[@vincentbrowne8639]

@@copferthat yes you are ignorant- read what happened not what the elites want you to read- God bless you

[@paulconnolly7437]

We all have read numerous books and have seen the movie Schindler’s List depicting the horrors of the holocaust in which six million perished yet I don’t recall seeing any film depicting the Bengal famine in India in which three million starved to death which was result of Churchill’s decision to commandeer all the food for the British Army fighting the Japanese.When England declared war on Germany in 1914 the wife of prime minister Asquith recalled seeing Churchill beaming with joy in number 10 as everyone else present were saddened and in a state of disbelief.Churchill revealed his true colours in a post war interview when he stated that it mattered not if a Jesuit Priest had been in charge in Germany instead of Hitler “We would have had to attack them for the same reason that we did in WW 1 ie because they were becoming to strong. Churchill made a secret speech to parliament stating that the survival of Britain as a world power depended on no continental power becoming stronger than them.

[@LoveYourLuck]

it's well known that hitler made unofficial contact with churchill to stop the 2nd world war in its early stages ( i think about 1941 ). Churchill wouldnt let go, couldnt imagine a future where Hitler wasnt obliterated...if he had chosen the path of peace we would have had no D-Day carnage, no millions murdered no jewish holocaust ...all because Churchill, the warmonger, had to have his way

[@thomascochrane4922]

Absolute rubbish. Read a history book.

[@SuperMikado282]

The Bengal famine was caused by the failure of the monsoon rains. Burma had made up losses in the past, but that was unobtainable because the Japanese had overrun Burma and wanted the rice for themselves.

[@SuperMikado282]

British troops would not have eaten rice.

[@SuperMikado282]

​@@thomascochrane4922Exactly 💯

[@michaelcassidy1864]

This was an exceptionally insightful view of Churchill and Ireland. As an Irishman, I despise the man with his absolute distain for the Irish people. I do however acknowledge his important contribution to Western civilization when not caving in to pressure from the nazi elements of brit "upper classes"

[@johnnotrealname8168]

He did not hate the Irish people. He commended the Irish Warrior Race and wanted them to fight against the nazis.

[@Analytical2000]

It should not be surprising that people from everywhere across the World do not like Churchill. He was in favour of colonisation. He said "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." Another quote by him is " You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks." He viewed himself as above not only of other nations' people but also of working class people in his own country and ignored what the people say and wanted. He was a very good orator and could get people to do things that were against their interests, but there were many other men during his lifetime that were equally good orators that stoked as much hatred that Churchill stoked, and got people to do things that were against their interests. I.e. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Tito, amongst many others

[@davidjenkins1288]

churchill practiced in wales (tonypandy) in 1910 he sent in the army to surpress the welsh miners .he hated al the non english of the british isles

[@martinputt6421]

He hated working class people in England too. As Home Secretary he sent troops into Liverpool to attack striking workers.

[@MrConan89]

The Army were sent to back up the police when rioters became violent. Troops did not enter into any action. Wise up on your history.

[@copferthat]

Yes, Welsh miners destroying Welsh businesses, terrifying Welsh citizens, promising to flood Welsh mines with there hundreds of horses in them and after the strikers beat up enough Welsh coppers, the Welsh council pleaded with Churchill to send in troops. Your kind are addicted to victimhood.

[@copferthat]

@@MrConan89 Yes, and on a plea from the Welsh politicians and police themselves,

[@johnnotrealname8168]

No, he did not. He actually admired the Irish as a Warrior Race.

[@davidrussell8689]

The people of Ireland have suffered terribly under British rule . History is complex ; villains and heroes are easy to see with hindsight .

[@Topper954]

One hundred correct the British treated the Irish appallingly but believe me the ruling class (Establishment) didn't treat their own kind any better.

[@davidrussell8689]

@ completely agree . My father once told me that at school in the 1930’s as a young boy ( he went to war aged 16 ) the teacher unveiled a map of the world , colonies and British protectorates highlighted in red . My father said it made him proud until he thought to him self the following : if I belong to a country that owns half the world why do I live in a slum , shit outside in a hole , see my family die with TB and I’m called to defend “ the empire “ when deemed necessary by the ruling clases ?😂 The wealth generated by that Empire was for a minority . Irish poverty was extreme but Scottish , Welsh and English poverty wasn’t good either .

[@lawLess-fs1qx]

Churchill viewed the Irish as Untermensch (sub human ) like Hitler viewed the Slavs. Always fascinated me that arch Colonist Churchill was the Architect of the downfall of the Empire and the UK by saddling Britain with so much debt in ww2. If he accepted Hitlers peace offer after Dunkirk the empire may have lasted into the 70's. and a lot of British and colonial soldiers would have lived.

[@joemdee]

what? and sent the Nazis in to subjugate Ireland. Are you fucking real?

[@copferthat]

HA! I've read some fecking almighty shite on this thread but that above is in a class of it's own.

[@joemdee]

@@lawLess-fs1qx you speak with the intellectual vacuity of an Irish Republican. In the UK we do not use or recognise the term untermensch about anyone.

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

Not just in ireland a lot off places he was despised

[@copferthat]

And worshipped in a multitude of places for the freedom he helped give them. Europe worshipped him and wherever he went he was mobbed by truly grateful peoples

[@SuperMikado282]

@@DavidBroadley-tw7ks The Irish despise each other. They have disputes and never speak to each other again.

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@@copferthat he was a sectarian racist c--t

[@dnickaroo3574]

Churchill has limited regard or approval within Australia, also. After Australian & New Zealand Divisions had fought against Rommel’s Army, they returned to Australia - fortunately on a United States Ship. Churchill wanted them taken to Burma, where they would have faced a disaster. Franklin D. Roosevelt advised the Ship’s Captain to follow advice from Curtin, Australia’s P.M. After WW2, Churchill did not visit Australia - he would not have been welcomed in a friendly way.

[@Steve-gr6jm]

Ye mean ye didn't appreciate being told to run repeatedly at machine gun nests with no cover and armed only with Lee Enfields? How ungrateful.

[@fintanotoole3514]

I know many Australians are proud to part of the commonwealth but 100% you were better off dealing with the Yanks, they would be more straightforward and honest with Australia than duplicate Britain would ever be.

[@copferthat]

@@fintanotoole3514 Unbelievable, you were British citizens, every Australian had the right to live in Britain. Every Australian descended from Britain or Ireland, you are and remain kith and kin.

[@fintanotoole3514]

copferthat It's not the oeople of Britain, it's the elites of Britain, the aristocracy that can't be trusted, Churchills class. Look, how, Philby was allowed to escape, regardless of the huge damage he did to Brirain, to the West, to Ametica. It didn't matter. They are a treacherous group which many have had to find out the hard way, much to their detriment and pain. Its not the people who are duplicate at all.

[@fintanotoole3514]

It's not the oeople of Britain, it's the elites of Britain, the aristocracy that can't be trusted, Churchills class. Look, how, Philby was allowed to escape, regardless of the huge damage he did to Brirain, to the West, to Ametica. It didn't matter. They are a treacherous group which many have had to find out the hard way, much to their detriment and pain. Its not the people who are duplicate at all.

[@RhysDavies-n9f]

He killed many GB citizens when home Secretary. My grandfather was shot at by the army (Worcs Reg) in Llanelli. He (Churchill) was hated and known as a fascist. Strange he is now known as an anti fascist leader.

[@copferthat]

If your grandfather was shot there was a reason for it, so what was it?

[@RhysDavies-n9f]

He went on strike because working 70 plus hoursa week he could not keep himself and his wife. Churchill took a similar approach to any "strategically" important withdrawal of labour. He became motivated by the events and became very active in the Labour Party. At the end he was an express engine driver before committing to the iron and steel trades confederation wh ​@@copferthat

[@copferthat]

@@RhysDavies-n9f No he didn't, when miners went on strike in the middle of a war, when men are dying, he's entitled to object. What many of his socialist detractors don't know is just how many social laws Churchill is responsible for. He was responsible for the Coal Mines Regulation Act 1908, which provided for an 8 hour day in all mines; the Trade Boards Act 1909, which established the first minimum wage system in Britain, mandating rates for both time, and piecework for 200,000 workers in several industries He was one of the founders of the welfare state. He radicalised prison welfare. At the Board of Trade, he pioneered measures to reduce poverty and unemployment through state intervention in the labour market. In 1909, he toured Britain campaigning for the ‘People's Budget’ and its radical proposals for the taxation of wealth. At the Home Office, his penal reforms as well as his measures to improve working conditions in shops and coal-mines were reflections of a continuing drive for his social reform which was cut short by his transfer in 1911 to the Admiralty. In the course of a lifetime in party politics, Churchill often touched on social questions, and there were other phases of his career in which he bore some responsibility for the development of social policy. He transformed the penal system and introduced libraries into prisons. Churchill was an advocate a driver for th introduction of milk in all schools for children saying.... no country can invest better than to put milk inside of its children. Churchill detractors mostly know nothing about him and for some on here they hate him because their granny didn't like him, pathetic.

[@sailendrayalamanchili]

Churchill did his best to deny India independence, and failing in that objective, he tried hard to Balkanize India, and was delighted when India was partitioned on communal lines. He is disliked in India as the Bengal famine of 1943 led to the death by starvation of millions of people , while Britain was exporting vast quantities of grain from India to feed her own population.

[@thevillaaston7811]

You should study some history, Churchill was not part of government when the partition of India took place.

[@petew5289]

iam english my grandfather hated Churchill wouldn't have his name mentioned in h is house

[@copferthat]

Pity you didn't have the intelligence to find out why?

[@petew5289]

@copferthat grandfather hated Churchill because of the wall street crash in 29 he was a bricklayer and there was no work the government were going to help poeple with money ect Churchill was against and made a long speach against it my grandfather lost everything became homeless blamed Churchill for it

[@copferthat]

@@petew5289 The Wall Street crash! what the feck are you on about.

[@petew5289]

@copferthat the wall st crash caused the markets to crash nobody was building houses firms were were going bust there was no work for bricklayers or any other construction workers and in the 1930s there was no welfare state ie dole no nhs if you didn't have a job you were fucked if you had morgage the house was reposesed if you rented you got evicted for not paying Churchill stopped any goverment funded help for people out of work

[@christopheraliaga-kelly6254]

"To make Ireland Hell for the IRA to operate in!" That was his justification for the Black & Tans and the Auxies.

[@johndooley5482]

SADLY MANY OF THE BLACK AND TANS WERE CATHOLIC!!!! \

[@ALavin-en1kr]

I heard stories that were handed down about the Black and Tans, so called because of the color of their uniforms. To see them marching on a road was to feel fear. A lot of them were thugs and behaved like thugs; throwing an elderly grandfather out of bed onto the floor with his mattress in their search for weapons.

[@kieransavage100]

@@johndooley5482Just the tan ones????

[@Michael-jy5rn]

It was your RIC GARDAI who got CHURCHILL to send in the BLACK AND TANS don't put all the blame on him

[@copferthat]

The black and tans were ruthless barbaric nutters who murdered plenty of Irish men women and children. When they finally met a foe who was as ruthless as they were they cry foul

[@nutrocker62]

I just finished readin "precipice" by Robert Harris, a book put together by reading the Diaries of Margot Asquith, HH Asquiths Wife, the diarys of Asquith's mistress and ofe the asquiths children, so all in all fairly representative of the time. In it, Churchill comes across as a war hungry individual. he was warned not to attack the turks in the south of turkey by Admiral Fisher, but refused to listen and walked tens of thousands into an ambush, his idea of warfare seems to be "it's not my blood". A vicious bloodthirsty scheeming individual.

[@lawLess-fs1qx]

Sir Henry Strakosch was paying the bankrupt soak to start a war with Germany. The files were released in the noughties. Historians are remarkably incurious about who employed Strakosch as their bagman.

[@LoveYourLuck]

it's well known that hitler made unofficial contact with churchill to stop the 2nd world war in its early stages ( i think about 1941 ). Churchill wouldnt let go, couldnt imagine a future where Hitler wasnt obliterated...if he had chosen the path of peace we would have had no D-Day carnage, no millions murdered no jewish holocaust ...all because Churchill, the warmonger, had to have his way

[@nualahahnitodd6135]

Yes Churchill was a dog of war.

[@denismoran670]

Universally loathed by the Welsh, who have never forgiven him for turning troops against striking miners, a classic bully, who the BBC made the hero of the 2nd wwar.

[@yox465]

He caused untold misery worldwide. Great speaker though and writer. I read his book on the second world war in eigth grade. It was excellent. I tried to read Mein Kampf at that time to see how it motivated people to such crazed devotion. It was terrible, couldn't, slough through it. It did prepare me for today and how its possible to capture the souls of a people.

[@blueeyes402]

Churchill did not write his own speeches... during the war Professor Lindemann otherwise known as Lord Cherwell managed Churchill. Churchill was a member of the 'Milner' roundtable and is as responsible for both world wars as anyone else... Everything about Britain was put there by the State not the British people including the church... From the Reformation...built on a foundation of hatred.. Churchill only protected that version of Britain! Britain was set up as an exact opposite to the church in Rome...its all fake and its all based on historical lies and people's assumptions... The truth is and always has been the opinion of the powerful. Britain never stood alone...that's propaganda at work...the US were already building up power with the intention of being involved... so to the Soviets. It took two world wars to stop Germany becoming an economic superpower and threatening the Anglo/American dominance. The reason the 2nd war went so long was because the Soviets did not cut off Germany's only rich crude oil supply. In doing so the war would have ended by Christmas 1941 and we didn't want that! History is a matrix of mind control just look at how it triggers the left.

[@joekavanagh8997]

Yes , Churchill was a great Public Relations guy ,he would have made a fortune on Madison Ave. in the advertising business!!

[@GerardFleming-e7e]

Churchill was an alcoholic bum who had a taste for the high life and had his debts paid for by wealthy benefactors.....the amounts concerned put Starmer's recent donations in the realms of triviality.

[@dickdiver9614]

​@@joekavanagh8997 He practised continuously in front of the mirror throughout the night, relaying drafts to his secretaries who had to read it back to him. He then revised his former scripts until complete. They weren't fluid or enate. Like Hitler, it was propaganda but unlike the Bohemian corporal he was perpetually sozzled as Hitler didn't touch alcohol.

[@brymorian]

Yox465 Aesop was another good writer of fables. He damned himself with his boast, "I know history will be good to me, I shall write it myself. "

[@AreJayCee]

I remember reading somewhere that during the war, when he appeared on Pathe news in Dundee picture houses, he was roundly booed.

[@dipanjanbhattacharya3131]

Churchil not only divided India, but caused famine in Bengal in 1942.Hence, as a Bengali, I think that for the Bengalis,he was devil incarnate. Just like Cromwell, he enjoyed that Bengal perish.While, he enjoyed it,as he had engineerd, by storing all the food for the Brutish, British army, during the 2nd World War.

[@copferthat]

The British brought mass education to India and what do you do? Get a degree in historical bullshit. In October 1942, a cyclone struck Bengal and Orissa in British India, wiping out much of the rice crop in the region. Transportation of food and other resources were hindered as the British built southern railways were washed away. The cyclone threw part of the subcontinent’s weather system out of sync too ruining the normal winter harvest in Northern India. Previously, this could have been alleviated by the authorities purchasing grain in the surrounding territories of Burma, Malaya, Thailand and the Philippines. But these territories were all under Japanese occupation or didn't you know there was a war on? The minutes of the War Cabinet meeting show that about 80,000 tons of wheat was shipped from Australia to India, with 130,000 tons of barley sent from Iraq. In the same memo, another 100,000 tons of wheat from Canada, all organised by Churchill and his government and every ship ran the gauntlet of Japanese submarines. From near the coast of the Maldives to South Burma, Japanese submarines and battlecruisers wreaked havoc on the East Indian shipping routes. Nevertheless, the British administration still managed to send about a million tons of grain to India between August 1943 and December 1944. Many of Churchill’s detractors point to declining grain being sent from Canada as evidence of him deliberately refusing aid for India. What it actually demonstrates is that Churchill was strategic and sent grain from closer places to reduce any logistical issues and allow food to reach starving Bengalis quicker. Churchill wrote to Roosevelt ....I am seriously concerned about the food situation in India and by cutting down military shipments and other means, I have been able to arrange for 350,000 tons of wheat to be shipped to India from Australia during the first nine months. This is the shortest haul. I cannot see how to do more.’ That means he deliberately cut own the forces supplies to get food through to India. In the same message he asked the United States for a special allocation of ships to carry wheat to India from Australia and Roosevelt refused his plea as America could not divert any ships without hindering its military operations. There was to be no American aid. I won't go any further with this, what would be the use? You can't cure the terminally stupid but I will say, read your history and stop reading it through tea leaves.

[@LeinsterExile]

This is why Ireland will always support and understand the Palestinian cause.

[@thevillaaston7811]

Get real. Israel in flattening Gaza. Britain did not steam into the Bogside and Andersonstown after Guild, Birmingham, and so on.

[@LeinsterExile]

@@thevillaaston7811 you really have to look at the damage Britain did to Ireland sinie Queen Elizabeth 1st. Trouble didn't start in 1968.

[@thevillaaston7811]

@LeinsterExile The latest figure for the death toll in Gaza since October 2023 is 45,000. 45,000 out of 2 million. What was it in the troubles?.. 3,000 in 30 years, out of a population of 1.5 million. How do they compare?

[@LeinsterExile]

@thevillaaston7811 You're conviently leaving out all those who died and were displaced during the plantation of Ulster. You also leave out the 2 million that died between 1840 and 1847. You left out the ones that died during the war of independence. You left out those who were executed in 1916. You left out all those that were executed on the streets by the black and tans. There are loads more but I can't think of them right now I'm on a train in Zurich. You were doing exactly what the Israelis were trying to do and say that the problem started on October the 7th. You're trying to tell us that all the problems started in 1968 with the trouble in Ulster. There's the similarity right there.

[@kevingleason1051]

The "BLACK AND TANS" come to mind...

[@marybedward9381]

A horrible man with his Black and Tans 😡

[@copferthat]

Yes and those black and tans were very naughty with those cuddly members of the IRA, Sunday school teachers to a man.

[@KerinCrowe]

@@copferthat If your intent was to grossly misrepresent the truth - congratulations on offending not only the population of Ireland (Eire), but the millions of the Irish diaspora who live in Canada, the USA, Australia, New Zealand etc. Unlike Ireland, our numbers have grown exponentially due to independance from English Cuddles or other forms of affection such as the enslaved Irish in the Colonies of the Americas - they date back to the lovely man who thoughtfully transported people thereto. I think his name might have been CROMWELL.

[@copferthat]

@@KerinCrowe Yes, the Irish were the first to take advantage of the British Empire, wherever it went, which is why they are in those countries. If Ireland hadn't decided to send 10,000 Irish troops to fight in an ENGLISH civil war, maybe they wouldn't have attracted the wrath of the man they were sent to kill, along with his men. You're mired in victimhood.

[@joekavanagh7171]

Sounds like he was the Netanyahu of his day.

[@copferthat]

Is there a greater compliment?

[@KerinCrowe]

@@copferthat Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu - I wonder why both are still allowed their freedom. We are entitled to look on from afar and shake our collective heads.

[@copferthat]

@@KerinCrowe Don't be so pathetic

[@anthonyferris8912]

What I like most about this site is all the comments showing there’s no more grievance and we're all friends now. 😃

[@KerinCrowe]

[@JohnBoylan-r3t]

Churchill did not attend the funeral of Michael Collins.

[@joekavanagh8997]

That was the only thing that shocked me in this video. If he did attend he would have had to have a platoon of bodyguards!

[@danielkaranja7978]

I thought the video said Churchill eulogized Collins and this doesn't mean he attended the funeral because you csn eulogize from far.

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

Both sides in the civil war would have killed him😂

[@joemdee]

LOL.

[@SuperMikado282]

​@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935They wouldn't have had the courage to.

[@charlesd3a]

Churchhill offered a unified island of Ireland if Ireland entered the war but Ireland refused because this wasn't the first time Britain offered Ireland its freedom it was back within the first world War.

[@sean_d]

No he never offered a United Ireland, he proposed an All-Ireland defence alliance, joint operational involvement in WW2 which he claimed would lead to unity, though N.I. parliament wasn't even consulted so it was never going to happen.

[@Zappy9518]

Yes, he did. To get his grubby hands on the treaty ports, he would have sold all the people in India for them. Dev rightly, (and he rarely got it right) definitely had Churchills measure, and his duplicitous nature was well known anyway by this stage, post treaty. Remember, that 21st century clown boris, he modelled himself on Winston. A pale imitation yet who still could not open his mouth out lies rolling out. Shameful.

[@dickdiver9614]

​@@sean_d he offered it for the ports but De Valera wasn't having the drunken buffoon pull a fast one and have Ireland cities and ports bombed.

[@carthy29]

He was an empire man, all beside the english were a lower class, in the end he lost the empire for ever, he was the man who gave away the pound sterling as world reserve currency to the US dollar at bretton woods in 1944 thus ending uk empire as it was, thats his real legacy, the man who lost the empire, he was the captain of the ship

[@daravaughan2902]

Totally missed out on gallipoli disaster for the irish regiments

[@copferthat]

What are the Irish doing there then?

[@turnpiketumbler8938]

The annihilation of the Redmondites. Home Rule, died at Gallipoli too.

[@Benny18-18]

Churchill sent the troop ship Antrim up the Mersey to menace striking workers in the 1911 transport workers dispute in which workers were shot dead..💀

[@bentaylor330]

killed 2 and injured 300 in liverpool, the two lads were killed on scotty road, a very irish area in liverpool

[@brendangamble5088]

Churchill was tyrant and a war monger just ask the people of India and Pakistan

[@DawnohopeBridge]

Brendan it was when the British left these countries that the wars started, same as in Ireland. If they hated the British so much why did the Irish not demolish Aras an Uactharan instead of moving in a President.....surely they would prefer that - or is it just a bit of constant whingeing. Wake up and be thankful look at your illegals now!!

[@copferthat]

Yes, why don't you

[@brendangamble5088]

Your a tool

[@cathalbrendankelly1892]

Fair play to the Ivory Coast for supporting Ireland one minute into this video. (Even though the Ivory Coast didn't adopt their flag till 1959).

[@danielomalley4394]

Winston Churchill was born in Blenheim Palace, seat of his grandfather, the Duke of Marlborough became the Viceroy of Ireland. He was very familiar with the British, though from a lofty place. While he climbed the political ladder of power, he made many enemies. The Welsh and the Scots hated him for his brutal acts against his own countrymen, repressing the coal strikes. His record in India and Africa is no better, not to mention the Gallipoli disaster, just ask any Aussie about that. And Canadian troops sent to defend Hong Kong in WW2 just to save face. You must read « Winston Churchill, His Times, His Crimes ». Author Tariq Ali methodically tears down the myth using the man’s own words revealing how ‘history’ is manipulated to serve political purposes. Real history!

[@copferthat]

Author Tariq Ali? are you joking? The man detests all things British, including you, you naive idiot

[@copferthat]

He could write a shocking biography on Jesus Christ that pernicious tool

[@timothymitchell5616]

Churchill was sadly living in an Empire bubble, where he didn’t have the foresight to see the change on the horizon, that situation was disastrous for the Irish ☘️ and blackened the reputation of Britain and a country, I totally understand the feelings of the Irish ☘️ people for there quest for freedom … 💪 🇮🇪

[@anthonylyons9810]

Churchill . A 20th Century Oliver Cromwell

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

2 shithouses

[@copferthat]

An utterly pathetic statement

[@copferthat]

There's some pretty ignorant and stupid comments on here from some pretty ignorant and stupid people but I think you just might be the best example

[@anthonylyons9810]

@@copferthat Can you Give Me a Reason for Your Answer Please. After all the Video above is about his role in the Troubles in Ireland.

[@copferthat]

@@anthonylyons9810 Right, for a start the Irish are addicted to victimhood. Let's start with Cromwell. Here we have a leader in an ENGLISH civil war but then the Irish promise the King an army of 10,000. What has an English civil war got to do with Ireland? You know, interference, a word that pops up every time an Irishman opens his mouth. You interfered in England and Cromwell then interfered with Ireland. To connect Churchill to Cromwell is an act of sheer malice or sheer stupidity, or both. What do they possibly have in common? You are talking about a man who did more to save the world than any other against the true evil of Nazism and without Churchill Britain would have fell and just where do you think Hitler would have gone next? He'd have wiped you lot out as a sub species. Did you know he sent a small fortune to the IRA to fight Britain and naturally they just stole it, after all they were a criminal organisation and Hitler was incensed by them and promised to wipe them out when he got to Ireland. He would have wiped Ireland out with them, so just thank you lucky stars Britain didn't take the neutral route out of trouble like you did.

[@gregconway736]

He closed all the industrial schools in the UK. He tried to get the industrial schools closed in Ireland. So did David Lloyd Gerorge. So did Edward Carson. The Irish Catholic church wouldn't have it and egged on the Irish to fight for independence.

[@POD1888]

God save Ireland 🇮🇪

[@richiekeane7730]

To your last question - villain without doubt - he saw all 'subjects of the empire' as they were considered a lesser people with significant less rights or humanity which in itself shows the lack of humanity and decency at the core of the man

[@mikeloughnane5436]

War criminal.

[@johndooley5482]

HE IS NOT. HITLER AND STALIN ARE

[@itseamuscallan7004]

your right

[@monarchist1838]

@@itseamuscallan7004 how? He helped preserve democracy and human rights in Europe. He could have thrown in the towel after Dunkirk but did not. The world owes a debt to our famous PM.

[@itseamuscallan7004]

@@monarchist1838 u clearly are incapable of any empathy for Irish people or the mass murders rapes and torture comitted by thje Blackntans.in Ireland just like many of their ilk before them. WC sent in these brave boys to Ireland they were the equal of any Nazi Murderer. so Fuck Churchill, and u along with him . i hope he is still burning in Hell

[@cormacwilkie1725]

​@@monarchist1838He left the 51st highland division on the beaches at St Valerie to the fate of the Germans. They were the last to get to the beaches after holding back the German army while the rest were rescued only to find that the last of the rescue boats had left for England.

[@johnleahy9789]

Can you imagine if Ireland was still under British rule under Johnson, Liz Truss, Brexit and the rest, we would be a impoverished back water instead of being one of the richest countries in the world unencombered by the incompetence of the Brits. We also happen to have the best rugy team in the world while England pathetically flounders in the third tier. Ireland should take England to the ICC or the ICJ for compensation for the genocide conducted by Churchill, Cromwell and the rest of the butchers who got their kicks from killing, torturing Irishmen and particularly raping women and children.

[@michaelplunkett5124]

Well done. Good straight history. My Irish father hated him. I know him for WW II, after which I was born, and I admired him for that. So not real popular in Ireland or India. He did not want to see the end of the British Empire. We’ll both he and it are gone.

[@Hunkiller-pj5qx]

He’s hated in Wales too !

[@copferthat]

Don't talk through your arse

[@brianmacc1934]

Yes , churchill was a see u nxt tue.

[@nialldevine1083]

And this is only scratching the surface as to what the British done and still do in Ireland for over 800 years. Horrifying

[@AindriuMacGiollaEoin]

Pretty brutal from an Irish perspective

[@patrickporter1864]

My aunts best friend had their farmhouse burnt down by the black and tans because they lived in a place close to where an incident occurred during the war of independence.

[@colmmagill4097]

The celebrated his death. Blood thirsty villain. He should have been brought to the ICC if it had existed in 1916 onwards. He destroyed a lot of countries like his mad father.

[@darrenroche9225]

He's not liked in Ireland and India, and numerous other countries. I will give him credit for keeping Britain in ww2 while he was under pressure to deal a treaty with Germany , he was an inspiration for British and other people, but he was blinded by empire and that is the how he could be so cruel to people in colonies

[@alasdairjohnson1821]

Outside of the anglosphere he is largely hated and rightly so! Bengal, Kenya, Sudan, South Africa and Ireland all places where he committed atrocities. In Bengal his callous racism led him to allow the deaths of at least 3 million. If he hadn’t been prime minister during ww2 he would only be remembered as a monster. His crimes are akin to other mass murdering dictators of the 20th century.

[@edwardcroghan5375]

When I see statues of Winston Churchill, I feel nothing but disgust. Period. He was an absolutely dreadful human being.

[@DavidBroadley-tw7ks]

@@edwardcroghan5375 something for the pigeons to shit on and Cromwell s stat

[@LoveYourLuck]

it's well known that hitler made unofficial contact with churchill to stop the 2nd world war in its early stages ( i think about 1941 ). Churchill wouldnt let go, couldnt imagine a future where Hitler wasnt obliterated...if he had chosen the path of peace we would have had no D-Day carnage, no millions murdered no jewish holocaust ...all because Churchill, the warmonger, had to have his way

[@Mary-Kp9ie-p1w]

Well said!

[@aslankastanetz3680]

And very much disliked in Liverpool

[@Kodakcompactdisc]

He was responsible for a famine in India and also Gallipoli in WW1. The man was a disaster.

[@KerinCrowe]

To the person who suggested that I return from whence I came: I came from Contae Clar, Eirann. Until the wondrous deliverance from the rigors of Brehon Law, my clan were in possession of Ceneal Baoith as inherited clan land. Thanks to the acts of Settlement and the Plantations, we were removed from most of our Land. Those who did not find shelter were picked for Indentured Seervitude (Slavery) in the American Colonies and the West Indies. Yes !! The Irish were the first batch of British slaves - The Americans kept quite good records for a lot of them. I live in Australia where my great grandfather bought and cleared virgin land from the Crown. So if the British Crown wants native land returned, it had better start saving its pennies because it is worth a lot more than it did in 1855

[@seanfagan8490]

Himself and Hitler are of equal standing in Irish 👀

[@thomasburke2683]

That's untrue.

[@joemdee]

Well you loved Hitler so that must mean you hold Winston Churchill in high esteem.

[@LoveYourLuck]

@@joemdee it's well known that hitler made unofficial contact with churchill to stop the 2nd world war in its early stages ( i think about 1941 ). Churchill wouldnt let go, couldnt imagine a future where Hitler wasnt obliterated...if he had chosen the path of peace we would have had no D-Day carnage, no millions murdered no jewish holocaust ...all because Churchill, the warmonger, had to have his way

[@GrahamCahill-uj3sc]

That says everything I'm sure Hitler would have been very nice in Ireland as he was in Poland, Holland etc Deluded!

[@HistorymanDublin]

Don't know what you're talking about

[@James-js2js]

The anti-Irish commenters below just keep on showing their ignorance and bigotry, grasping at straws with their stupid, irrelevant and senseless comments.

[@RoyWhearty]

Churchill wanted to shoot soldiers who refused to fight against the Bolsheviks, Lloyd -George told him that those soldiers also had guns, the man was utterly convinced of something untrue, his own ability.

[@PatrickAhern-qb6xb]

He was nothing but a bully didnt he see a million idians starve to death was no better than the austrian bully that done likewise in ww2

[@antoniafenech8279]

No he wasn’t. No he didn’t. No he couldn’t have possibly been. Please try and read a book. They offer lots of real insight into actual history.

[@PatrickAhern-qb6xb]

​@@antoniafenech8279fact he was a terrorist of his time maybe you should read about the crimes he enforced on the innocent irish too

[@LoveYourLuck]

​@@PatrickAhern-qb6xb it's well known that hitler made unofficial contact with churchill to stop the 2nd world war in its early stages ( i think about 1941 ). Churchill wouldnt let go, couldnt imagine a future where Hitler wasnt obliterated...if he had chosen the path of peace we would have had no D-Day carnage, no millions murdered no jewish holocaust ...all because Churchill, the warmonger, had to have his way

[@copferthat]

@@PatrickAhern-qb6xb No, I suggest you do and put away you big bumper book of Irish gripes and victimhood claims

[@KerinCrowe]

@@copferthat Given that a large proportion of the English population has at least some Irish genetic material, including the Monarchy, methinks you are terrified that you might secretly be somewhat Irish.

[@TonyWhite-s4c]

Churchills greatest achievement was not being as bad as Hitler, Tojo or Stalin. Not a very high bar

[@copferthat]

There wouldn't be a British empire without the Irish, the army was full of them and did they care who they killed? Hatred of Britain has never gone as far as making the Irish stay at home and not emigrate to England, in their millions for a better life.

[@Steve-gr6jm]

The ones who emigrate there obviously don't hate ye. They don't speak for the rest of us and unfortunately for ye our minds can't be changed for a few shillings.

[@fintanotoole3514]

Bit of a clueless statement, "as making the Irish stay at home" They could join the British army in Ireland they didn't have to go anywhere. If you didn't realise it the British army occupied Ireland. You are one blissful happy person, well done.

[@SuperMikado282]

​@@Steve-gr6jmYe hate each other as much as ye hate the British which includes Scottish and Welsh people.

[@SuperMikado282]

​@@fintanotoole3514The British army was not big enough to occupy Ireland. Britain relied on the Royal Navy for protection as befits an island nation. It never had a large standing army.

[@fintanotoole3514]

@@SuperMikado282 please inform us, what would you call it? What the British army was doing in Ireland.

[@MarklovesTV]

A very interesting video, I never knew Churchill has such strong feelings about Ireland.

[@pambromley7481]

Wrongly seen as a a war hero, Churchill was a dreadful man.

[@Pumpherstonsmith]

We shall fight them on the beaches we shall fight them on the sreets , what he really meant was you shall fight them on the beaches you shall fight them on the sreets , I`ll have buggered off to America if it comes to that.

[@copferthat]

Have you ever read a biography of him? Thought not

[@pambromley7481]

@@copferthat no doubt full of dubious history.

[@copferthat]

@@pambromley7481 If there is a gold medal for utterly pathetic replies, I'm nominating you

[@jillybe1873]

Churchill is also despised in Wales. Murderer.

[@jameshiggins1505]

Both grandfather's fought for the British during the first war, the paternal grandad, s medals I still have.

[@bealfeirste2056]

Tans.

[@jameshiggins1505]

No not tans, just hard working class Belfast (short strand) men with family's to feed!!

[@GrahamCahill-uj3sc]

You should be proud of him

[@patrickporter1864]

He spent the first ten years of his life in Dublin I believe in the 1890s

[@tommymurphy459]

1876-1880 in the Phoenix Park. Among the happiest years of his life he wrote! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratra_House

[@MichaelPenrice]

I think that much of this narrative overstates Churchill’s role in Irish affairs, certainly before WW2. He was part of a government before WW1 which supported Home Rule. He was not the originator of the Black and Tans but was one member of a government which supported the policy. Similarly he is portrayed as chief architect of partition. Again, he was one member of the negotiating team under Lloyd George, and not one who had the final say. What is often missed out is consideration of the reaction of the Unionists had they been forced into a united Ireland. I would speculate that that would have resulted in a civil conflict more bloody than the Irish Civil War that ensued. Finally in the 1930s Churchill was completely out of government and not in a position to have any responsibility for the trade war. He was certainly an imperialist and a defender of empire but such positions were not exactly uncommon among British politicians in the first half of the 20th century.

[@seanmccann8368]

I think your point about 'civil conflict' more bloody than the ICW might be on the right track but ultimately it would have been bettter for Ireland. It would have united the two strands of Irish republicanism against a common enemy and left a united Ireland in its wake with no brits on the island - or at least none who would care to oppose the will of the Irish people. More bloody but better in the long run without the open sore of apartheid Norn Iron.

[@32toffeeman]

irish flag is GREEN WHITE AND ORANGE....not the other way round, as shown early in this documentary

[@MSKim6563]

🇮🇳💖🇮🇪

[@davidreilly9456]

The narrator is excellent

[@kingofcelts]

Didn't you notice that it's AI..

[@genevievedolan1288]

@@kingofceltsalso a very skimpy look at the very complicated history with wildly inappropriate and stupid images …why do these things get made? And why do I end up watching them??

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

Good AI, sort of _David Attenborough lite._

[@sean_d]

I don't like this AI clone of David Attenborough because it falsely suggests Attenborough's credibility.

[@marybedward9381]

Sent the same Black and Tans to Palestine. 🇵🇸😡

[@copferthat]

You really have to wonder at times

[@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158]

Well, they were there before the Balfour Declaration in 1917, in fact they came from Palestine to Ireland in 1920.