Why World of Warcraft Has Become Toxic

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Many people say World of Warcraft(and other popular multiplayer games) have become very toxic, but why? In this video, we analyze just that.
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@madseasonshow
@madseasonshow 6 күн бұрын
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@greatgameplayswalkthroughs660
@greatgameplayswalkthroughs660 3 сағат бұрын
Pls, try "Guild Wars 2" where the end game is Helping the other players (especially helping the newbies) - you get achievements and mastery points when helping the others (also, a lot of exploration, a lot).
@pixelricebowl
@pixelricebowl 3 сағат бұрын
Get that bag man, you deserve it
@lemonsquidsec
@lemonsquidsec 4 сағат бұрын
The original Cataclysm broke me with the community. Those 5-man heroics were something else. Instead of helping people learn their class and guiding them with builds, if you had one talent point out of place or made one mistake, just... Flame and kick. It was really tiresome.
@WakoDoodle
@WakoDoodle 3 сағат бұрын
Hoo boy I remember that. I tried a goblin tank for the first time (never a tank, only a dps) and I used a guide back then to help me make one. I was invited to a 5-man heroic and then was kicked, I asked why and they said "your talents are wrong" I asked which ones and they went quiet so I moved on. A small while later someone replied asking if I was new; I said yes (new to tanking) and they told me 1 and only 1 talent was in the wrong place and where to move it. So I did. They then told me that the party leader will invite me because they needed a tank badly; the leader whispered me and asked me if I liked to join, I said... no. He asked why since they were desperate and I joined to do it before, I told them "if you're going to kick me for 1 incorrect talent and not tell me; only to invite me because you ran out of options, I'd rather not even do the heroic." He went "lol" (ofc) and then his friend asked why I rejected it and told him the same thing. The guy then later told me they disbanded because the leader was toxic. I wish this was the only time this happened but it happened a lot. So much that I just quit wow until WoD and even when I returned then; I left after legion for the same reasons. It's not fun of someone is screaming at everyone; while making mistakes themselves >.>
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe 3 сағат бұрын
That was the first time i tanked [on THE worse dungeon for it, forgot the name but it's the one which is now split into like 3 cause it was so massive, thanks dungeon finder] and i got flamed so hard, despite the fact that i wasn't even tanking badly, i simply got lost a few times cause the dungeon was huge and confusing. I didn't tank again for YEARS till i did it in FFXIV.
@volks86
@volks86 3 сағат бұрын
Half my server doesn’t speak English makes no attempt to min max or have correct talents. Why? They just gdkp later on, so yes I do kick you at the slightest offense or mistake. Sorry.
@lemonsquidsec
@lemonsquidsec 3 сағат бұрын
@@AzureRoxe Sounds like Blackrock Depths. They really did a number with that one, splitting it into three dungeons with not much/no indicator as to which version you were supposed to be doing. That helped absolutely no one.
@MysticZefer
@MysticZefer 3 сағат бұрын
I was kicked out of a war within heroic for not knowing Necrotic Wake from an expansion I barely played. Did we wipe? Nope. Just didn't do a mechanic right. instantly kicked.
@Jumbleman5
@Jumbleman5 4 сағат бұрын
Because somewhere along the line, just having fun in a game wasn't enough any more. It became about winning or earning as much as possible.
@billleblanc7340
@billleblanc7340 3 сағат бұрын
just depends on the company ur keeping gotta find ur actual friends
@Knight-Time_Smoke
@Knight-Time_Smoke 3 сағат бұрын
And now it’s about getting paid IRL. Particularly games with major focus on pvp for progression. Imo.
@circusstory
@circusstory 3 сағат бұрын
In Vanilla, people spend ALL DAY just camping low levels. It's insanity
@4523bgb
@4523bgb 3 сағат бұрын
ALL DAY...I'll never forget seeing my first Horde lvl 60 in Westfall back in like 2006......it was terrifying. Camped me for like 2 hours.
@mayhemguitar07
@mayhemguitar07 3 сағат бұрын
​@@4523bgb and some of them are iconic. Redridgeboss, that Hunter's cat in Lakeshore - same guy has been doing that for the better part of a decade
@Bitterman5868
@Bitterman5868 3 сағат бұрын
@@mayhemguitar07 worse is that Blizzard an mainly Tom Chilton enforced this behavior
@kozmo7
@kozmo7 3 сағат бұрын
From someone back in vanilla, I’d argue it’s always been toxic. Now all the friendly regular people left, it’s all just bile
@baryony
@baryony 3 сағат бұрын
Maybe. But it was such a big trend many of us actually got to play with people whom we knew from real life. That was a blast. Had an entire guild of people who were almost all from my cousin's highschool.
@sendL546
@sendL546 3 сағат бұрын
Its just.. people wanna rush everything these days. they dont wanna play to have fun. they wanna have everything fast as possible. which concludes problems in raids and what not. and some rage
@heroman1322
@heroman1322 3 сағат бұрын
Very true! That’s why focus on small group PvE content with friends and PvP overall for when I’m bored or want to have fun in a battleground! I have also been fortunate to not run into assholes in TWW. I’m probably quitting in a month till another patch, but it’s been great fun!
@Pholadis
@Pholadis 3 сағат бұрын
it's like they're addicted to the gratification, and it's feeding a sense of entitlement
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe 3 сағат бұрын
And the worse part is that game companies design everything for THEM, so everything is braindead easy, everything is fast and rushed cause no one wants to bother learning. Look at GW2, a game that suffers from this so hard that the game's developers themselves have mentioned how ridiculously low the DPS of the AVERAGE player is compared to a half-decent player.
@BoisegangGaming
@BoisegangGaming 3 сағат бұрын
This "rush culture" permeates everything. Everything must be optimized. You must know exactly what to do even if you've never done something before. It must be done in the most efficient way possible. Anyone who's tried to get a job has probably encountered this where "entry-level" jobs require previous experience. In MMOs, it's for the same reason: because these higher-level, higher-prestige groups don't want to invest the time and energy into teaching or instructing someone new. They want someone *now*. If someone I'd underperforming, kick them. Everyone becomes just a number, expendable, disposable, and replaceable. It's a destructive loop that doesn't benefit anyone. I don't want to say it's part of human nature (or at least it is encouraged and magnifies by these systems) because I want to believe we are better than this. I played World of War craft for a week or two with a friend and my siblings years ago. I remember how the 4 of us were running around dungeons, I was trying to explore things, and the one person obtained through LFG was just complaining what I was doing. Group content just isn't fun in MMOs because it's not cooperative, it's competition having killed cooperation and wearing it's skin.
@Cook_A_Burra
@Cook_A_Burra 3 сағат бұрын
@@Pholadis You got some gratification yourself from that comment, didn't you.
@ginosalazar7391
@ginosalazar7391 4 сағат бұрын
The real Warcraft was the friends we made along the way
@robinenbernhard
@robinenbernhard 3 сағат бұрын
Stil is
@Taylor-bw4zg
@Taylor-bw4zg 4 сағат бұрын
Anyone wgo thinks its only recently become toxic clearly forgot about when world pvp was a thing in classic.
@Muppet-kz2nc
@Muppet-kz2nc 3 сағат бұрын
100%. The Dragonflight/War Within Era is the least toxic WoW has ever been. WoW is about how you play it and what you bring to it. Today more than ever it's a game you can play however you like.
@txnafish
@txnafish 3 сағат бұрын
it's always been about the feeling of superiority, a lot of people nowadays in general have an inflated sense of grandiosity but especially in competitive spaces a lot of people want to put others down for the sake of sating said feeling of grandiosity. it's kinda sad honestly, sometimes certain people forget that the people they are shitting on have feelings too
@mdg8919
@mdg8919 4 сағат бұрын
most of us were 13-16 when vanilla was about, everyone grew up and decided they knew best and all wanted to max out our chars to furfil our teenage feelings when we saw that warrior walk past with ashkandi. i plalyed this during 15 year old when it was vanilla. during lockdown i played until i got my nerubian crossbow, after that i felt i'd ticked something off in my head, something i remember seeing 15+ years ago, a hunter with nerubian when i was 15... cant describe it
@Wraize1
@Wraize1 3 сағат бұрын
the average player in vanilla was college age...
@josejuanandrade4439
@josejuanandrade4439 3 сағат бұрын
Only classic realy... the Retail scene right now is at one the best moments ever. My last group experiences have all been super smooth and nice. -LFR the other day ONE person got mad because tanks didn't know the route, and the group literaly shut him up, saying it was fine, is literaly the 1st week the wing is out, and went out to explain the tank the route, and subsequent fights. And i had one of the smoothes runs in lfr of my life, i nearly couldnt believe it lol. -TW just yesterday there was a lot of wipes because the tunning was all mess up. Noone complained. instead they all were talking about how bad the tuning was this time around and agreed to slow down the speed, and it went much better. -I havent run heroics since lfr is out but the initial weeks, everybody was super nice, even in stupid dungeons like Dawnbreaker. I had a friend receive the trinket from the AK dungeon from a random guy. He had been farming that trinket for a few days and finaly someone just gave it to him...
@neugassh3570
@neugassh3570 3 сағат бұрын
:D:D:D:D
@heroman1322
@heroman1322 3 сағат бұрын
People actually playing the game on sub mythic play are genuinely helpful and kind to newer players. Most complaining have not played fresh parts of the game or are out of touch.
@goskawow1943
@goskawow1943 3 сағат бұрын
The issue I found in classic were the sad humans who played 15+ hours a day, while ignoring their supposed wife and kid and all other life responsibilities. Anyone who is trying to have some life balance 1) can't compete with those people and 2) can't relate to them and find them disgusting
@WarWolfCZ
@WarWolfCZ 3 сағат бұрын
Sounds like one big streamer. 😂
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe 3 сағат бұрын
It's been toxic since like Wrath. Blizzard has always nurtured a toxic community, especially when the WoW fans always went berserk and attacked every other MMO and Blizzard themselves constantly released their big patches at around the same times others did.
@spectrumsucks1607
@spectrumsucks1607 3 сағат бұрын
I started playing wow again after about 10 years when the icc raid came out in wrath classic. I started from nothing , and made my way to level 80 and doing heroic raiding. When classic cata classic came out , I hit 85 in 2 days and cleared all the raids the day of release. By the third week of the expansion, i was parsing high and pursuing heroic raiding, I realized how toxic the game was and the time investment needed to play at a high level. I haven’t played since and don’t think I ever will.
@Wraize1
@Wraize1 3 сағат бұрын
private servers are where it's at. left retail after cata, never went back.
@teepawt735
@teepawt735 3 сағат бұрын
Any game designed to be competitive or has rewards for winning will always be toxic because those kinds of games are only fun when you win. So if you are playing with people who are playing suboptimaly, they are ruining your ability to have fun. If you aren't winning, you are wasting your time. The game is about the reward, not the experience anymore. You can see that in modern fps games in how tf2 is a game with no stakes so people have fun even when they are losing because the game was designed to give each individual a good and fun experience regardless of skill, and overwatch being its direct competitor, being frustrating because its about grinding your battlepass and ranking up or whatever. That's how I've always seen it, and that's why most of these new games nowadays don't appeal to me at all. They are treated like jobs to the playerbase.
@Knight-Time_Smoke
@Knight-Time_Smoke 3 сағат бұрын
Tanking in any MMO is a risky venture for your enjoyment.
@usedcolouringbook8798
@usedcolouringbook8798 3 сағат бұрын
TLDR Fanaticism in any form breeds toxicity.
@jangranqvist7092
@jangranqvist7092 4 сағат бұрын
i hate that in wow there is no longer social grouping, and people are like one of the NPC. Truly has world changed people
@heroman1322
@heroman1322 3 сағат бұрын
People are scared and not as willing to speak in video games. 10 years ago, public lobbies with mics were more common
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe 3 сағат бұрын
@@heroman1322 Cause if you say "you idiot" now, you can get perma-banned. Hell, some random loser can report you with his friends and you'll just get an auto-ban.
@dreijdreijdreij
@dreijdreijdreij 3 сағат бұрын
Play WoW HC SF.
@adamgroszkiewicz814
@adamgroszkiewicz814 4 сағат бұрын
Hey the old days were great, and we got to pretty much go back for Classic. Nobody ever gets to go back and relive things, but we were all lucky enough to get that chance with a game we truly loved.
@WhatAboutZoidberg
@WhatAboutZoidberg 3 сағат бұрын
I remember coming back in Cata or Pandaria era and as a rogue I was trashed for not knowing the skip route for every single dungeon. This was when you could summon your party with guild skills and a rogue or druid would run to the final boss and summon everyone, it was so boring for everyone involved and terrible game design. It's been a problem for awhile and in a lot of culture as a whole now.
@XRCADIA
@XRCADIA 3 сағат бұрын
HC Community is the least toxic community I've ever seen in a MMO
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe 3 сағат бұрын
Almost because the literal only thing that matters there is "don't die", nothing else. DPS doesn't matter, speed doesn't matter, whether or not you cleared 5 or 500 times doesn't matter, it's just "stay alive and don't troll people so they die".
@Nishinga.
@Nishinga. 4 сағат бұрын
Mads!! Good to see a new video drop, hope you’re doing well man
@DeepFriedHugs
@DeepFriedHugs 3 сағат бұрын
I really only PVP and holy shit is it toxic. The moment the team loses the lead ppl start whining and finger pointing saying how its the worst RBG team ever. And yet THEY are a part of the team! Lol. But they want to piss and moan because they might get an L. FFS no one wants to lose a RBG but quit bitching about it. We all get bad teams from time to time or someone screws up mechanica or goes AFK randomly or whatever. Its a game ....and the players are the worst part of it.
@MeritRaXIX
@MeritRaXIX 3 сағат бұрын
Sometimes I feel I'm playing a different game. I've been playing since 2005, and it's true that we all changed. I raided original Naxx without knowing half the things I know about the game and my class. But what didn't change was the ability to make friends. Every season I make new friends, maybe pugging keys or replying to someone that asked something on trade. I haven't found that toxicity everyone talks about. My bnet list of friends keeps growing. I must be lucky.
@WatercatJane
@WatercatJane 3 сағат бұрын
I definitely know this community can be very toxic. I am a new player. I played a bit of DF at the beginning but really got hooked around end of season when everyone knows everything and it's all done and they're running LFR for certain pieces of transmog and then dipping. Or trying to beat it in five minutes for their vault. To say the least, I was not good and was thoroughly harassed for not knowing everything. Took me a long while to recover and stick with it. I constantly assumed that every person was going to yell at me, but it's really been the opposite. Sure, there's the sweaty people but I find them less and less. I'm in a guild now that focuses on helping newbies and on our first raid night we got 6/8 bosses on normal. It was great, everyone's been having fun and we're learning a lot. And it is SO satisfying to get a boss mechanic down that you've been struggling with. Anyways, just wanted to share my experience with it. Yes it's bad, there's a reason wow is associated with toxicity. But with such a massive fanbase, you can definitely find the good ones that want to play casually.
@Anders-vl6kk
@Anders-vl6kk 3 сағат бұрын
man that final picture instills a true sadness in me
@jaxen231
@jaxen231 3 сағат бұрын
Also a factor are youtuber and streamer. You get contantly content of ppl who spend their job-, and life on the game so some viewers will set the bar to that. And the million "10 things you should or not do" "get op fast" "phase x tier lists" are making the free play segments shorter and shorter .. instrumental play is almost there at day 1
@Azurantine81
@Azurantine81 3 сағат бұрын
Great points here, I haven't played wow in nearly two years now and it is because I was always chasing that feeling of the OG Vanilla wow, where I was playing with friends and when no one knew anything about the game. It correlates precisely with the notion of free play vs instrumental play - where I find the former much more fun than the latter.
@dragonriderabens9761
@dragonriderabens9761 3 сағат бұрын
The game has always been toxic ganking in stranglethorn, an obsession with BiS, a struggle with class balance... it's just that as the expansions went on, the actually good people in the community stopped wanting to be in an abusive relationship and left leaving only the toxic assholes where they went? IDK
@gwarlock4700
@gwarlock4700 3 сағат бұрын
Tried getting into TWW expac, played and leveled up a few toons, loved it. The thought, "hey imma try pvp".. did a rated blitz and I sucked. Got a whisper telling me to enjoy my ban for sabotage from 2 people on the other team. Now im banned for 3 months and getting no response from an actual GM. After playing since launch in 2004 I uninstalled. Done with WoW atleast until REAL people are in customer service and mass reports are a thing of the past.
@nicholas_muccini_coach
@nicholas_muccini_coach 3 сағат бұрын
Literally just FUCKING BE KIND TO EACH OTHER.
@Frosthowl93
@Frosthowl93 3 сағат бұрын
I've been trying to enjoy the changes to retail and a lot of them are good. But there's this looming cloud of hostility over the game. I didn't think it could get worse, but retail easily has the most hostile, miserable community I've ever seen. Every day I log in I get a new reason to not come back.
@Dot_Skeith
@Dot_Skeith 3 сағат бұрын
Cata ruined everything, hence where I quit. you didnt have a CERTAIN build by 1 talent point, you got kicked or not invited. Was a joke.
@BiIboSwaggins
@BiIboSwaggins 3 сағат бұрын
I am somebody that is quite toxic in wow. But only to the people that deserve it. I am toxic to the people that sign up for a Mythic +20, and then have absolutely zero regards for what needs to happen for that dungeon to be completed. Neltharions lair for example, on tyrannical. The adds need to die. There's no way around it. And I have seen people tunnel vision to the boss as if that's what needs to happen. And they are just blissfully unaware of it all. They sign up to someone else's key without having the decency of looking up what to do. I myself make sure the people are overqualified for the key that they sign up for. Which in term creates a form of toxicity.. People with the appropriate gear can rarely find the keys they need.
@Kevkoss
@Kevkoss 3 сағат бұрын
Be me. Just came back from doing some weekly shopping. Saw new MadSeasonShow's video - nice. Pop wireless headphones, go unpack groceries and make something to eat. And ad segway hit just as I started doing myself a salad.
@Ar1AnX1x
@Ar1AnX1x 3 сағат бұрын
I think people who are in the community have become mostly toxic, they've become old, bitter and jaded and they don't realize it because they project it on everything else but themselves
@goskawow1943
@goskawow1943 3 сағат бұрын
MadSeason talking about shaving balls was not something I knew I needed
@sct77
@sct77 3 сағат бұрын
The playerbase is toxic because Blizzard designed the game poorly. Imagine playing vanilla WoW and seeing a mining node. You walk towards it, another player suddenly shows up and takes it. Then you find a chest next to a camp of murlocs. You try to clear the camp to take the chest and then someone takes it while you're still fighting so there's nothing you can do about it. You run a dungeon after that, the boss drops gear you really wanted and the bottom dps in that group outrolls you. You log in to retail to do a mythic plus key and someone disconnects, wasting everyone's time and causing the party to disband. WoW is just full of situations that make players resent each other. It's not the player's fault. Games like FFXIV and Gw2 were designed to have a nice playerbase.
@haunted5311
@haunted5311 3 сағат бұрын
We definitely don't have enough "free play" nowadays. Too many tryhard sweats scoffing at the idea of spending any amount of time "doing something fun" instead of constantly grinding and getting gear/collectables/gold in the most efficient way possible 100% of the time. Then the said sweats complain about the game being boring once they got everything they wanted to get. They completely forgot the fun aspect of gaming and it's really sad.
@BIacklce
@BIacklce 3 сағат бұрын
What if I told you some people enjoy finding efficient loops
@hg1651
@hg1651 3 сағат бұрын
It’s been horrible for me tanking already. 9 keys ran all of them with hostile dps and a healer once in awhile. I need to know meta route, meta pull, meta tank spec for a 2. It’s not just bad groups, it’s not once in awhile you get an aggro Andy. Look at the gen threads on the wow forums. This week since plus went like I have seen multiple threads about tanks being abused, not enough tanks and so on.
@sticehan
@sticehan 3 сағат бұрын
How does this man not have 10x the subscribers? Keep up the good work!
@kibble-net
@kibble-net 3 сағат бұрын
WoW: $4000 to play for 20 years Magic The Gathering: $4000 to play for 1 year Both are toxic in their own special way!
@TakashiAmanoOriginal
@TakashiAmanoOriginal 3 сағат бұрын
That guys cardboard armor is best armor ever, hopefully he still has it
@ninnoofthelastunicorn2693
@ninnoofthelastunicorn2693 3 сағат бұрын
if you wonder why Yoshida and the gang over at XIV crack down hard on any sort of out of line talk or behavior, this is why. That said, the 'ultra-friendly' player base id XIV becomes something...else.
@Wraize1
@Wraize1 3 сағат бұрын
I don't know what RP server you've been playing on, but wow has been toxic from day 1. Vanilla instances back in 04-05 were very toxic. LFG in Wotlk, TOXIC. LFR in Cata OMG TOXIC. Hell, barrens chat was always toxic.
@lordchaos52
@lordchaos52 3 сағат бұрын
anyone else got youtube volume and windows volume on full and barely able hear madseason in this video? cant wait watch but il have to wait until my headset is charged up as its wireless and sucks lol
@itsirrelevant4565
@itsirrelevant4565 3 сағат бұрын
It’s funny how critique has changed in real time about video games under hyper connected post modernism. No one was even talking about toxicity in gaming back in 04.
@BIacklce
@BIacklce 3 сағат бұрын
Because it was part of the experience. LoL and it's consequences ruined this expectation.
@ShaQiRaJ
@ShaQiRaJ 3 сағат бұрын
Was I the only one that knew the exact point he was trying to prove when he began presenting the theory of free play vs. instrumental play? Btw great video, I agree. :-)
@SodiumWage
@SodiumWage 3 сағат бұрын
It's only toxic if you don't take the time to become part of a community / guild. And if you're continually unable to find (or stay with) a group of like-minded individuals, then you need to start looking at yourself in the mirror as to why that's happening.
@helloworld-rv3zw
@helloworld-rv3zw 3 сағат бұрын
when I started in tbc classic the game was so chill... but after wrath the community just changed so much
@Bitterman5868
@Bitterman5868 3 сағат бұрын
Blizzard themselves fed this behavior, just look at Blood elves and TBC in general, Every single toxic and Raid or Die behavior started there due to the grinding and certain wowtubers, and when wrath came out, said people started to push Gear Score, Cata is where the camel broke its back and the game never healed since then, even Vanilla servers absorbed this behavior badly and pushed to classic, there is no fun anymore, just pooooopsock.
@MjolnirsPower
@MjolnirsPower 3 сағат бұрын
The creation of the "io" score was one of the single worst things to ever happen to wow. That nerd needs to be canceled.
@MG-cj7ve
@MG-cj7ve 3 сағат бұрын
Back in the day erverything was unknown and exiting. The fun was in exploring the unknown world. Now its just about rushing trough stuff.
@thefelix420420
@thefelix420420 3 сағат бұрын
i once got shit on in a game of civ in turn 20 for not building the most optimal shit . i was playing with old buddy. i dont play with them anymore in any multi game .
@petermerison4002
@petermerison4002 4 сағат бұрын
Mythic plus hasn't helped
@Muppet-kz2nc
@Muppet-kz2nc 3 сағат бұрын
I dont think MadSeason's perspective is really relevant anymore. This current era of Retail WoW is the least toxic ive seen since Vanilla 2005. You can play the game almost anyway youd like. The WoW streamers tend to be positive also as a lot of the big complainers (Asmon, Preach) have taken their perfunctory perspectives elsewhere.
@AKS-74U
@AKS-74U 4 сағат бұрын
I am once again on a MadSeason video asking for him to do a video talking about the music he uses in his videos. Where they are from, etc.
@zeng58
@zeng58 3 сағат бұрын
ever since i left world of warcraft i always miss it and deep part of me i want to go back it was my very first mmo and it will always be
@drmarchable
@drmarchable 3 сағат бұрын
I have been playing Wow since vanilla and i don't that it is particularly toxic. Its a representation of society. The other side of the is as following: why would i want somebody to waste my time in an m+ if they are not fit for it I think it is perfectly fine to expect somebody to know tactics/their class etc in m+ bc it is higher level tier of content. Stick to Heroics and world content if you dont want to get involved and learn class/dungeons
@shawnfancy1476
@shawnfancy1476 3 сағат бұрын
the take away from this video is that was a sick couch fort.
@cigarr3870
@cigarr3870 3 сағат бұрын
Toxic is such a silly buzzword.
@Patrious_WoW
@Patrious_WoW 4 сағат бұрын
It's been toxic since day 1
@johanlahti84
@johanlahti84 4 сағат бұрын
Simply not true, however, the whole world has become toxic. It isn't just in wow
@dozzer88
@dozzer88 4 сағат бұрын
No
@heroman1322
@heroman1322 3 сағат бұрын
@@johanlahti84It is simply true and you are denying it to cope. The community absolutely has been toxic since year one. Just watch old Wrath videos with raiding and tell me no one is toxic. However, the way people play the game has become more toxic. The way the community interacts, I feel is more tame recently.
@Uthic
@Uthic 3 сағат бұрын
​@@johanlahti84No they are right. The Internet wasn't devoid of dickheads back in 2004, after all. Losing in AB had the usual insults I see today, for example. Pugs, same deal.
@usedcolouringbook8798
@usedcolouringbook8798 3 сағат бұрын
@@heroman1322 Barbies Wrath of the Bitch Queen does not equal vanilla WoW. You'll need to use Trade Chat from vanilla for examples.
@Vandantcyclone
@Vandantcyclone 3 сағат бұрын
After Cata classic which I played for like 2 months after release I realized that wow just isn’t it anymore. I’ve turned to gambling online and the community is even better there unfortunately. How sad is that?
@Chris-yu3co
@Chris-yu3co 3 сағат бұрын
Bro that ad transition was perfect lmao
@eyevou
@eyevou 3 сағат бұрын
People talk enough in WoW to actually be toxic?
@andrewplatt7076
@andrewplatt7076 3 сағат бұрын
The only people still holding onto wow are the nolife elitists who have sunk 10k+ hours into the game. New players don't stand a chance in this environment...
@neugassh3570
@neugassh3570 3 сағат бұрын
Every massively multi game is toxic.
@LeeRox91
@LeeRox91 3 сағат бұрын
Because people are getting toxic. Last best thing humanity got was pokemon go.
@Decoffeee-ky4ch
@Decoffeee-ky4ch 3 сағат бұрын
FPS Doug clip! Respect!
@ericlol99
@ericlol99 3 сағат бұрын
What killed me when playing classic wow was WCL. As we got to ulduar and onwards, more people wanted log and GS and achievements. I just wanted to play the god damn game. SOD isn't any better. So l just stepped away maybe just be a single player andy
@juansoto4149
@juansoto4149 3 сағат бұрын
I juat cancelled my wow sub last night. Might be the last time too...
@SimpleRick22
@SimpleRick22 4 сағат бұрын
Here I am asking this very question, and you come out with this video
@jlo2o199
@jlo2o199 3 сағат бұрын
With each passing increment of time.. The grounded, reasonable, normal, real people quit wow and move on. Only the hardcore, no lifers, unhealthily addicted remain. This keeps compounding and compounding. Think of the type of person who is STILL playing? Who never quit... Can you even imagine living this way? These are the people who play wow.. Those cool people are gone...the friends you made memories with, the people who inspired you to become a better person.. they don't play wow.. These are not the people you're playing wow with... Ok maybe on European servers... Somehow I feel like it's a North American server thing more than anything else. As an American I can admit its a mentally unhealthy culture, and it seems the players and streams I see of European guilds are a totally different type of player... mature adults.. with actual lives outside WoW.
@teej143
@teej143 3 сағат бұрын
It’s not the game. It’s the people
@ceroenblanco
@ceroenblanco 3 сағат бұрын
I love to learn about sociology while talking about wow
@tactfulrogue
@tactfulrogue 3 сағат бұрын
Become? we were born in it.
@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas
@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas 3 сағат бұрын
WoW was always toxic. You would be doing dung pugs back in vanilla you would have some random raging if you wiped. And this got worst in TBC. It hasn't become toxic it was always toxic. And also pug pvp such solo queuing into a bg
@ericv738
@ericv738 3 сағат бұрын
Oh yeah, hit us with that mass effect ambiance music
@twistedmovies8782
@twistedmovies8782 3 сағат бұрын
People in general are toxic.... when profits and greed rule above all.
@hansolowe19
@hansolowe19 4 сағат бұрын
Mass effect soundtrack intro. Excellent.
@dudere
@dudere 3 сағат бұрын
Wow is becoming toxic? Bro in vanilla people killed players at an actual funeral.
@robinenbernhard
@robinenbernhard 3 сағат бұрын
Game not more toxic but so many ppl cant take any criticism. Last in M+ tank say you guys need interrupt more and ppl got mad. I play now almost 20yrs and game is realy not more toxic and then was in 2005. Onlye ppl cant take shit any more and get mad do fast.
@FLAMINGBABYPUNCH
@FLAMINGBABYPUNCH 3 сағат бұрын
Honestly I just think its how Blizzard designs their games. Pretty much all of their games have toxic communities. Its always been toxic. I think what it could be is how other players are usually a be detriment to you. Loot is always fought after, either by ninja looting or with corrupt loot councils. Rescourse nodes disappear when they're tapping by other players. You're often punished harshly for other people messing up, similar to Overwatch. Also the faction war / world pvp mechanic just isn't really good feature for an mmo. It only separates the player base and encourages toxic behaviour.
@dufftime
@dufftime 3 сағат бұрын
Best ad intro ever LMAO
@KidArkx
@KidArkx 3 сағат бұрын
Become ? I always thought wow was toxic
@artiewoof
@artiewoof 3 сағат бұрын
Game died with HWL Crumbshirt. RIP to an Absolute Legend.
@Iamlightforged
@Iamlightforged 4 сағат бұрын
This ad placement is top notch! 🤣🤣🤣
@Meshan135
@Meshan135 3 сағат бұрын
Every game is toxic now. It’s a generation thing I guess
@juanp.lievanok.3737
@juanp.lievanok.3737 3 сағат бұрын
omg his voice has changed so much
@handturkey
@handturkey 3 сағат бұрын
for the war within at least it's giving delve geared players access to on the clock mechanic sensitive content with no incentives to train or learn the bare minimums they conscripts yo we're all just xcom ufo defense recruits until proven or trained to be otherwise
@Subxenox15
@Subxenox15 3 сағат бұрын
Nice, I can't wait to watch this when Asmongold uploads it!
@Chris-yu3co
@Chris-yu3co 3 сағат бұрын
OH HELL NO YOU DIDN'T REFERENCE PURE PWNAGE
@sanjayw9878
@sanjayw9878 3 сағат бұрын
Hating on wow is just free views 😂 its like that for a lot of games though people are attracted to hate its always free views
@zantsmith4257
@zantsmith4257 3 сағат бұрын
Always has been.
@Panda-Reee
@Panda-Reee 3 сағат бұрын
The Dsp bit 🙏thx lmao
@BIacklce
@BIacklce 3 сағат бұрын
Never changed just people got soft
@93theproducer47
@93theproducer47 3 сағат бұрын
Awwww shit. Another MadSeason vid🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@petardinjo
@petardinjo 3 сағат бұрын
it always been.
@danielohalloran4492
@danielohalloran4492 3 сағат бұрын
Wows been toxic for most of its existence 😂😂
@Uthic
@Uthic 3 сағат бұрын
It always was
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