Why You are Still Sick: Mold, Biotoxin Illness (CIRS) Made Simple - Dr. Alan Gruning

[@NutritionwithJudy]

You can learn more about the Christian CIRS Network here: cirsnetwork.com/ and Dr. Gruning's office here: fibromyalgiafortmyers.com/doctor/dr-alan-gruning-d-o/

[@Leslie4jc]

can you please share what A/C filters that Dr. Gruning recommends ?

[@R__T]

@@Leslie4jc Looks like Dr. Gruning recommends Air Oasis I-Adapt Air (found it on his site).

[@Ananimous7777]

Would just doing carniovre diet help to get rid of mold toxicity or supplements should be added to support it?

[@R__T]

@@Ananimous7777diet alone cannot get the toxins out. You need a binder (Cholestyramine or Welchol).

[@Mwilke3789]

This is the most hopeful Cirs podcast yet. Always thought it would be impossible due to finances, but now I'm thinking it will be possible.

[@pooler6955]

This man is an angel. He is so giving of valuable information for the sole purpose of helping others, as you are Judy. Thank you for this.

[@jerryiwanski256]

I also see Dr Gruning and I started with Judy. I highly recommend both of them!!!

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Thank you, Jerry! ❣I'm looking forward to your healing beyond carnivore-levels!

[@larryb8423]

How much is the cost of both?

[@terrythompson5979]

He is my doctor as well. This is just like he is on a personal consultation. I am only a few months into the protocol. This was encouraging to keep at it and be patient.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Yes, he's wonderful and now you know he's been through it himself.

[@cocoazen]

The most wonderful thing about this talk is hearing you two discuss that this is your calling from God. Its amazing finding out Judy is a Jesus follower ❣️

[@va3856]

Thank you so much to Dr. Alan Gruning and Nutrition with Judy for giving us much needed HOPE and resources for CIRS. 🙏🏽

[@maryfields6649]

What a powerful and engaging interview. It's the most understandable information I've heard about CIRS. I takes the fear out of a CIRS diagnosis and gives hope for those who could not otherwise afford treatment. He is a man on a mission sent by God with answers and solutions. 👏👏👏

[@kirkwolak6735]

This was awesome. I love that Dr. Gruning has been through it... That was WONDERFUL to learn! And he is my doctor as well, thanks to you, Judy!

[@gailivey2015]

What a wonderful servant of Christ!

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Indeed This man is laying up treasures in heaven! Bless him, Lord!

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Amen

[@kellynewman862]

1st time listener! To listen to two people that are unashamed of Jesus Christ & relate their faith to their practicing values is so incredibly rare to come across. Came for mold illness info but stayed for much more.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

God bless this man A dr with a heart What a very very novel idea!!

[@sdickerson8283]

I just got off my 1st session with Cheryl of NwJ- She is wonderful! I feel better just having her support and knowledge. Probably/maybe dealing with CIRS and looking forward to learning more and HEALING!! Thanks Judy for all you do! and Dr. Gruning too.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Cheryl is an incredible human being and we are lucky to have her! She will be joining us on the podcast soon too! We look forward to you healing even more!

[@cammos07]

Love both of your hearts that drive you to help the population you do! May God continue to use you both! I pray when I get to the other side of this CIRS journey I will be able to give back to the CIRS community!

[@sophie.v.]

Thank you for this interview! Dr. Gruning is my CIRS Dr. that I chose from your recommended physician list. I am very grateful and feel very blessed to have Dr. Grunings help! You are a GODSEND Judy!! 🥰🥰🥰

[@Aircheekz]

my cirs dr!! cant wait to listen later on today!

[@joshd6876]

I feel so fortunate to have worked with both of you. Still going strong with Dr. Gruning. Thank you both for doing the Work. I hope to find a career in treating CIRS as I continue to heal.

[@cocoazen]

On the topic of landlords and mold--i was evicted because i brought up the concern of health and possible mold to my landlord when i realized there was the black mold growing on the wall in the bedroom off the garage. She talked to her lawyer and they decided it would be in my best interest to give me 28 days to leave 😮. It was a shock to say the least.

[@jessmddn]

This doc is so cool! Loved this conversation.

[@annebeck2208]

Great CIRS on a budget tips!! My problem was not money, it was convincing my Dr. to give me the binders, as I was moving away. (Had high cholesterol and was able to get it that way.) I did feel 100% better just using the binders, maybe not perfect, but for me even some better, was better than perfect. I also agree with the Long Covid issue...I had that so much worse than the rest of my family. I need the protocol again and working on finding a way to do the whole thing if possible. The roof and bathroom vent was fixed and remediated and our local fogging guy is a neat Christian too...great job, we felt 100% better in 3 days!!! Love the tip on ordering water and waiting at a restaurant...even though meat is super easy to make at home. It really is possible, might not be easy, but doable slowly. I wonder if all the push of Statins was put toward Welchol if lots, lots more people would accidentally be feeling better?????

[@larryb8423]

What kind of fogging are you referring to?

[@rosalindr4975]

Good point on the welchol and statins. I can feel my vision improve a half hour after cholystramine powder ( instead of welchol) , working on the biofilm

[@therealjenniferrr]

It's really horrible the damage that happened in his area. I grew up in the Tampa Bay area and we would vacation on Sanibel Island that he mentions. I even got to see Fiddler on the Roof at the local playhouse there in Fort Myers. I've thought a lot about my childhood in recent months and all the signs of illness I had as a kid, but since kids are so resilient it wasn't a huge problem until my mid 20s. Hearing him speak makes things make even more sense to me now, with all the humidity FL has. I don't live there anymore and that is one thing I def do NOT miss!

[@Julesle-ATX]

How have I missed this? I’m thankful it came up in my feed. So many decisions ahead. 😌

[@blossomooo]

That’s where I’m at. A waste of nearly a year, trying to do these “other” detox protocols. I just recently learned of CIRS & now I’m waiting to see Dr G! Hoping he has some answers for me and can get me better. Bc I’m still nowhere well. A lot of neurological symptoms!!

[@douggrant3431]

Been sick for 30 yrs. I help people constantly. It's what I do

[@douggrant3431]

But now I need help

[@noeldeal8087]

@@douggrant3431 What's wrong Doug?

[@noeldeal8087]

I've been sick too since 1995 with CFS...

[@douggrant3431]

@@noeldeal8087 I can’t get better been to several doctors. Spent lots of money. Nobody knows what’s wrong with me

[@melissamalone1817]

Thank you both for an amazing interview I am so thankful I found you, Judy years ago and most importantly, I'm so grateful that you led me to testing for CIRS I love watching easy to understand interviews with CIRS Doctors so I can learn more and more about this illness and how to fix it This was a really good one :) Missy Malone Mississippi

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

I am totally pumped to help ppl. Wish I lived near the clinic. I would volunteer a lot. But I have zero desire to to live even in the Panhandle, let alone south Fla. No thx. For all the reasons he listed plus more. The insane humidity, being so at risk for tsunamis, hurricanes, etc.

[@selfmadesarajade]

Thank you so much for all that you both are doing for those of us who are suffering!! 🙏

[@vitalijussivakovas334]

Very good information 🙏 I am moving in a week's time. I hope not having any issues 🤞I live in the UK 🇬🇧 seaside town 😊

[@carriev9608]

This was so good! Thank you! :)

[@stealth48nurse]

Thank you this gives me hope of getting better.

[@rosalindr4975]

I understand how important Hope is. Don’t give up.

[@srm6366]

I ❤️this we need more doctors like this what a great guy! This just made my best cirs video ever✅

[@justinesimone5343]

Thank you! We need more Drs like you. I already had FM, Mold, and more in Sebastian FL. Dr Daniel Tucker in West Palm was Immunologist/Allergist (had CIRS himself) treated me. The roof came off my condo bdg and it had many molds. It was between the outer concrete block and dry wall but wasn't showing inside the condo other than the thick white dust. The AC picked it up from leaks in the walls. My body tested with the same molds. I left the condo and rented rooms in strangers homes while trying to get condo Remediated. Aspergillosis was strongest, with Cladasporum, another "C" mold? can't recall, a small amount of Stachybotrus, I'm back up north. Saved from mold? NO. In a 6 year old Apt House with Mold! Argh. I studied Richie Shoemaker back in FL before I found Dr. Tucker and now up north am using the binders on my own. Chlorella, Lyposomal Glutathione, Activated Charcoal. Yes! I lost everything I owned in FL. Dr Tucker said I shouldn't be near anything that's been near mold. Highly allergic. Real Time Labs is what Shoemaker recommended. Last tests show my brain is shrinking- very scary. I lose whole days sometimes. Close to Dementia! I bought a hepa/charcoal air filter. cleaner, runs constantly to combat the moldy air from AC. I am low income living alone. I can't easily move. Was on the list for another bdg. Went into their basement- one sniff is all it took. The smell made me run out. I HAD LONG COVID 2020! Three years later, I'm still so tired. I tell Drs I have mold and they look at me like I have 2 heads. I have nodes everywhere! One on brain, one behind parotid gland, multinodal thyroid and several in my lungs. I can't get a Dr to connect the dots. Separate Specialists for each. Useless! What's Welcall? I looked at RVs to live in, they smelled like mold- closed up w no AC on. I have a friend in FL who's very sick. I'm passing your info to her. God Bless you and your work. 🙏🏻

[@b.mary94]

I think Welchol? Cholestyramine. It's a farmaceutical binder but apparently very effective... how are you doing now?

[@zoelarsen3592]

What a fantastic interview!!

[@jenniferwade5022]

Bless you both for helping people. I tried to get blood work yhrough my Dr. The answer was. Ins doesnt pay for it and it would cost over 800$$ and more other places. Im going to find an ENT this area monday. Im so glad you ansered my questions about my new house. Because iv been feeling worse AGAIN after moving. Thank you both❤🙏

[@rosalindr4975]

My initial blood work cost 750$ about 5 years ago. I felt it was worth it after years of neglect by insurance dictated doctors. I’m on a tight budget on disability. Try not to be discouraged!

[@jenniferwade5022]

@rosalindr4975 Thank you so much for taking the time to say that. Very sweet of you. I will find away. 🙏❤️

[@rosalindr4975]

@@jenniferwade5022 never give up hope and keep moving forward. I know we all have setbacks. Most people have no idea how hard we struggle to feel well.

[@jenniferwade5022]

That is so true.. I hope you have found healing❤️🙏

[@rosalindr4975]

@@jenniferwade5022working on it. Definitely improving from when I started seeing Dr G.

[@BrendaGalloway]

Thank you 😊 Very informative.

[@debbiedebbie9473]

24:00 24:40 Thank you so much for this information.❤🙏❤️

[@marcibunn]

❤thank u!

[@hollylaw8272]

I wish I could afford to get to Florida to see him!

[@annebeck2208]

The one big thing to know is that once drywall gets wet, it WILL grow mold! If drywall gets wet, get it out, don't dry it out, TAKE it out! Lessons learned from Hurricane Katrina and the good contractors that ripped out, instead of reusing. About the military, especially Army housing can be poorly maintained but generally not any worse than any other landlord. As Dr. Eric Dorninger said himself, he caused a water leak, allowed several others and did not know that a quick, surface clean-up would make him and his family sick. That happens in anyone's house military and non-military, owned or rented. I don't care who is my landlord or where I live, I will find moisture and/or leaks and get mold remediated correctly. I love plants, but only succulents get to live in my house, because too many plants, fish tanks and other water producing/particularising things can grow mold. Fans and vents help and should be used in kitchens and baths. Basement dehumidifiers are helpful if there is no way to lower the humidity due to climate, as long as there are no leaks or other sources.

[@lawrencebadman8569]

Just wondering about infrared saunas cubicles and sweat on the seat and floor. L.uk

[@laurieboggs2403]

Wow! Weeping wish more doctor's were like this. I had 11 root canals extracted and went home and inhaled black toxic mold unknowingly. From a botched mold remediation. The extractions and poisons flipped my trajectory. The suffering is horrific. I am at a loss I have spent our retirement and have not moved. Any suggestions I have not moved, I did a Shoe maker doc he has me due 2500 ozone, diet, move and csm. He is 400.00 an hr., I have not moved. Teeth and systemic fungal along with parasites. Have you read Accidental Blow Up by Dr. Yu. I have CIRS and a jaw bone,infection caused by biological dentist. Any help is deeply appreciated it's been horrid.

[@sailuvijl6621]

Wow I heard biological dentist r good how could they do to you

[@laurieboggs2403]

@@sailuvijl6621 I ask that myself. Beware there are so bad one's too.

[@1dayfree]

Have you looked into how your liver and gallbladder are detoxing or not as the case may be? Mine is sludgy and am having CIRS symptoms since getting a gall bladder attack. Foreign estrogens are the culprit which have encouraged parasites to move in and won't leave..

[@maryjohnson753]

Dr. Neil Nathan says that sick people (with mold, lyme, CIRS, etc) do not heal until they address the trauma first. You have medical trauma.

[@rosalindr4975]

I’m glad you found this post. Don’t give up. I know it’s challenging to say the least.

[@pariarowand4942]

Could you please provide the link to the study showing antifungals causing brain atrophy? 🙏🏽 Thank you

[@Malevolenceswd]

Does Dr Gruning allow online appointments with patients from Europe ? Unfortunately, as a French citizen it is impossible for me to pursue CIRS treatment in my country as it is not a recognized illness, and due to my financial situation I cannot afford moving to the US for that matter.

[@kirkwolak6735]

he cannot write a Rx for you to fill in France. But I am confident he would do an online session with you. He will likely do a FREE 10 minute consultation. If you speak english (assuming you do, as you wrote English very well). The question is... Can you find a doctor, who won't use insurance that will write the Rx you need? (the big one is CSM. And if you are lucky and have High Cholesterol... You might get your doctor to Rx that for you, and have it covered!)

[@rosalindr4975]

@@kirkwolak6735are you sure? He may be able to help them. It’s the international center for wellness…

[@rosalindr4975]

@@kirkwolak6735he used to mail me my prescriptions out of state, I paid out of pocket, insurance wouldn’t pay for it.

[@noeldeal8087]

@@kirkwolak6735 Cholystramine is this CSM?

[@kirkwolak6735]

@@noeldeal8087 Yes.

[@stephanszwajcar2287]

What are these air filters he recommended? Didn't understand it, is there a link?

[@maryjohnson753]

Other good units are Austin Air & Intellipure

[@b.mary94]

I think he means Air Oasis IAdapt.

[@shellyv9564]

He was about to talk about air filters and she interrupted him. Can we have a follow up on that as well as the specific kind of soap he recommended?

[@melhigbee3903]

Hi Judy, thank you for your offerings and work. I’m a CIRS Patient and massage therapist, and am studying to become a certified health coach. Where might one study with you and or Dr. Gruning?

[@cocoazen]

My goodness, this is so informative. I have heard of Dr. Neil Nathan, and heard he is the mentor of a couple different practicitioners i follow, and didnt know that his protocol for mold was ineffective for CIRS patients. How sad. I know he and many others must mean well, but it sounds like Shoemaker's protocol is the only way, and maybe CSM and Welchol are the only truly effective binders. I dont know if i feel fortunate enough to call Dr. Gruning's clinic and find out if they can work with me, but i just might call anyway!

[@R__T]

Don’t give up if he doesn’t. There are a lot of Shoemaker certified doctors that aren’t on the surviving mold website. CIRS Map helped me find one recently and she’s great.

[@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth]

Neil Nathan knows absolutely nothing about CIRS.

[@sailuvijl6621]

I tried csm not great

[@rosalindr4975]

@@sailuvijl6621helping me

[@rosalindr4975]

@@R__Tcirs map?

[@amanimotto]

Thanks for all your efforts to help folks with these conditions. Questions: i myself concerned for presence of molds in house , especially areas near bathrooms. Since mold results from wet areas of home , would it be better to also have a1-2 dehumidifiers in a home, especially near wet areas like bathrooms?

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Yes, I think it's smart to have dehumidifiers in rooms that go above 55% humidity to reduce moisture levels. The key is finding mold levels that you can tolerate as it's impossible to remove every bit of mold in grout in the bathrooms, for example. But no big water damage should be left alone as it will make mold levels that are harmful for anyone. Dr. Shoemaker recommends a HERTSMI test result of

[@1dayfree]

Very much doubt that mold is the root cause of sickness. People have lived in damp moldy conditions forever. What we need to be looking at is why our bodies cannot rid itself of these mycotoxins fast enough. I think chemicals are the culprits here but it may be emfs aggravating the mold too, not 100% sure?

[@Jolei33]

I completely agree with you. EMFs from smart meters made me and my son very sick from mold and higher levels of common mold was found. We never had any health issues prior to this. I also think chemicals have made the bio toxins more resistant as well.

[@JoysLighthouse]

I have CIRS for over 20 years from working at a Xtian place with horrible mold and petro chemical exposures. Many people died from it and CNS injuries etc, it's a whole thing. (Allergy to benadryl, anesthetics, pain killers etc.) I am still sick and now disabled for years with fibro, MCS, multiple comorbs and have long covid now for 2 yrs. I've done the ozone / uvl's and things like that which actually has helped since I have over lab lvl EBV and MTHFR challenges. I've recently started trying senolytic remedies. Are people like me possible to treat, can we see people like you and Dr Gruning? Note: It's not PTSD if it's still active it's Traumatic Stress Response, see Dr Gordon pain reprocessing therapy (mind-body-nervous system connection) "The Way Out".

[@opedromagico]

Such a great and knowledgeable person! Does he have instagram?

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

RVs are notorious for leaks! Don’t get a used RV n live in it if ur sensitive AT ALL And new RVs are completely ludicrously priced An RV is not an option Get a van, build it out and live there. Cars don’t leak. RVs are MADE to leak, I swear. Gotta get those repair customers. That’s the real bread & butter.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Thank you for sharing.

[@bethboyd5991]

Agree

[@R__T]

Great info thank you

[@noeldeal8087]

How do you keep a van warm in the winter?

[@Headingtowardhealing]

What is the soap and where to get it?

[@lyndseyvandenberg3030]

Which Miele HEPA vacuum does he recommend, specifically? Can't seem to find that info on his website.

[@b.mary94]

I looked it up on their website. I saw 3 options.

[@b.mary94]

I had to choose the option "allergy".

[@kellyschlumberger1030]

I'm halfway thru and haven't heard a peep about the influence of acidity / low pH on bad fungal growth. And what about biofilms?

[@aprilcrider7269]

I wanted to say that most people that have been or is extremely sick from MOLD, most of those patients already had health issues prior to moving into a water damage building. Plus about the antifungals, people like myself that have true fungal issues, need antifungals! The antifungals DO NOT CAUSE brain atrophy! You do need to have your liver enzymes checked twice weekly. And true CIRS patients have SIBO. All this bacteria, fungi, viruses, parasites, metals, gastro dysfunction, vitamin/mineral imbalances, chemical sensitivity and endocrine imbalances are from metabolites and other toxins. As I have explained to others, that sick building people refer to, well, your body becomes the sick building. Blessings to all! 🙏

[@sailuvijl6621]

Yes I am but unfortunately nobody trustsme I am soon tired I kept quiet I know I am going to die

[@therealjenniferrr]

On fluconazole now (and also in past) because of massive antibiotics from diverticulitis. #cantwin

[@ledacedar6253]

Get help if you believe you can heal with food. Pharmaceuticals heal F All! Why do you think millions are resolving symptoms of AI?

[@devilwithin9514]

What if you know for sure you have lived with toxic mould but its mostly affecting your digestive system and youre losing weight? What is the best treatment? I feel like i need HCL but im scared to try it... i cant seem to digest anything right now.. as in the food feels like it drops in my stomach and just sits there and im developing loose skin as i dont think im receiving any nutrients from my food.. my dad lived in the same house and is just about dead due to severe weight loss since we lived with the mould..

[@sailuvijl6621]

Don't delay I a, very sick liver he P bile m chk sibo

[@noeldeal8087]

@@sailuvijl6621 how are you?

[@noeldeal8087]

Try 1TB apple cider in water instead with meals but HCL is helpful for so many who don't make enough stomach acid.

[@1622-p2t]

Is there an RV that’s recommended?

[@Bubblesandcandyfloss]

I am in Ireland. Could I work with either of these practitioners?

[@rosalindr4975]

Look in the description for contact info and ask. (I’m not sure how it works overseas. I know Dr Gruning can do visits online video chat )

[@jasongendron8309]

Is the Genie blood test effective enough on its own for accurately diagnosing CIRS?

[@iAlwaysSpeakTheTruth]

No. You need the blood panel.

[@cyn7869]

I appreciate this information but honestly most people cannot afford all of this. Everyone would love to “invest in their future” but you can’t if you are barely getting by as it is.

[@anapadilla7133]

How can I get help with this? I live the Philippines.

[@lindahardy4495]

We have been on carnivore for a month now. Allergic to all seafood. Wondering if we are getting enough Omega 3 with BBEB.

[@ledacedar6253]

Butter is a dairy as is ghee so many of us don’t do well with it; actually find it’s poison for the body. I was loving BBB until things got worse despite all the Carnivore food. ND confirmed it’s milk fat globules are very real so tiny but still just as harmful. Tallow is safe, nutritious & great for Carnivorous mayo & Hollandaise

[@JoysLighthouse]

In the last few weeks I tried higher protein/meat diet and it made me gain weight... Maybe this isn't for everyone?

[@devilwithin9514]

Wait, so binders dont help with toxic mould?

[@b.mary94]

Shoemaker says they help but slowly and less than the cholestyramine (welchol)....

[@serenawood6991]

Dr Gundy said "I tested them for Lyme and they don't have it." Does he believe those tests are reliable for Lyme???

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Walking away from everything u own Is impossible for most families Zero money to even go get new wardrobes to put on their backs. Like, 3-5 outfits each. IMPOSSIBLE Let alone whole household.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

He literally has a FREE clinic. He also didn't say to walk away from everything you own.

[@msbolt99]

@@NutritionwithJudyOnly people who live in Florida are eligible

[@rosalindr4975]

I had to start over. I have one box of old belongings that I still haven’t gone through, it’s in a plastic container. & My husband sold his dream house so we could live in a healthy environment for me.

[@noeldeal8087]

@@rosalindr4975 Your hubby is a gem...

[@erikjohnson4275]

What a shame that people refused to look into Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. As told in Dr Ritchie Shoemakers books, you could have known about toxic mold 35 years ago. All of you were derailed simply because of the silly CFS name.

[@erikjohnson4275]

No one could go up to Dr Nancy Klimas at Nova Southeastern and tell her about mold? What a total waste.

[@mv8771]

I don't have the actual time stamp, but somewhere between the 20 min and 38 min - did he say avoid WHEAT or WEED?

[@phillipbundy7633]

Wheat

[@mv8771]

@@phillipbundy7633 yeah, wheat jacks me up!

[@ledacedar6253]

Wheat is a basic along with all grains including rice; to not know the harms of gluten & glyphosates plus! See Dr Ken Berry DEEP DIVE into TOXICITY OF BREADS ETC.

[@semasariyildiz4346]

Too complicated explained for somebody who just starts learning about it.

[@SilverLakeDaze]

So I have to believe in the threat of eternal damnation and blood sacrifice to God to receive help from this doctor? That's what Christians demand you believe.

[@dl4507]

Stop saying “like” every other word please!!!

[@ledacedar6253]

I inhaled mold in a building but low exposure; my ND provides tinctures to aid the liver & gut … no CIRS. Judy Why don’t you ever serve us Ankylosing Spondylitis affected? It’s so so terrible to mind & body. Before Carnivore diet I was suicidal & that was reasonable given NO RELIEF CONSTANT MULTIPLE AGONIES. I’d love to learn why it is from you & your colleagues; with advised holistic advice for practices.

[@1dayfree]

Was your bone issues due to low vitamin D absorbtion? Thinking of the vitamin A (carnivore) /vitamin D connection

[@cutzijobes]

Does anyone know - @nutritionwithjudy or one of his patients perhaps - which Miele vacuum Dr Gruning recommends?

[@rosalindr4975]

I think it’s on his website, there’s a lot of articles in there. I think as long as it’s a canister with a bag & hepa filter. (Does Miele make any not with a bag? )

[@rosalindr4975]

The link to his site is in the description

[@maryjohnson753]

Miele all come with a bag@@rosalindr4975