Why You HATE Fighting Slayer

[@MantaGame]

9:54 ...so close to the ground, even the mic breaks? now thats low

[@Maxler5795]

"characters who can get reaa-*violence to my ears*-aally close to the ground"

[@curiouscork6302]

You know a character is overpowered when EVERY single other person who mains different characters, who normaly would be complaining to eachother, all rile up togheter to hate on ONE character. God, it's Happy Chaos all over again, isn't it?

[@Yuieatspaint]

The difference with Happy Chaos is that Chaos actually had some strategies and options that were outright unfair but you had to dedicate the time to learn the character fully, Slayer is just Haha 2h roundstart counterhit into pile bunker 2S pilebunker Super Mapa Hunch dealing 80% of your hp for no reason

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

@@Yuieatspaint So it’s the same thing but more ridiculous

[@Asintar]

I still remember when I mentioned that they should nerf 2h like, a week or 2 after he came out in your stream, and you called me over dramatic. I am eternally vindicated.

[@iceink]

streamers are big babies

[@jordanguelbert7754]

I hate him not because of his damage, but because his damage plus his health means i have to win 8 times without fail in order to kill.

[@giddymadman2687]

Sounds like potemkin.

[@sancticial]

Sounds like nago

[@StarryArrii]

@@giddymadman2687 but with more damage under less conditions off better buttons

[@giddymadman2687]

@StarryArrii I know. But, I just wanted to prove that it was more then just high damage and high health.

[@Kismitane]

"In this community i love and cherish" there is no love in this community only mutual hatred for characters

[@retrostart8681]

In hatred we live and we die 🤣🤣🤣

[@Shuttergun1]

Something something blaming the beasts

[@expman1288]

As a Slayer player, I honestly think the best way to make him more balanced would be to tone down the damage of some of his moves. The main problem isn’t the mixups, that WILL get you eventually, It’s that when you inevitably make a mistake you get put in a position where you basically have to play perfectly or try again next round wich is why it feels unfair. Toning down his damage would make his mixups a lot less unfair because now he actually has to expend meter for good damage and you don’t get atomized for the losing a 50/50.

[@maz4628]

The thing with Slayer as another Slayer player, is that he was always kinda like this but in previous games, he had to have resources, the corner, a CH, or a combination of the three to get his high damage. in strive he just kinda needs one H button CH to erase most of your health bar without spending a single resource. So I agree that they should make his conversions a bit harder to do to balance out his high damage.

[@uhohspaghettios821]

@@maz4628 Another thing is strive is REALLY hard on zoners, to the point where grapplers like pot are actually playable... Sure that's great for out boy

[@Maxler5795]

Im still unsure if the pilebunker loops were intentional, honestly.

[@hugosilva9502]

Yeah, most of the time I think the combo will end and he picks me up from the ground again. So annoying

[@Malacai087]

def intentional. or devs wont get rid of it. its a modern FG, most "unintentional" things are some really small micro interactions that dont matter all too much. not really big character defining pieces of tech.

[@RavenGuiltyGear]

Well, without that shit he will dont have sauce on all 100% its just will be unfun to watch

[@mattsandvig7868]

100% intentional. Pilebunker loops were a common part is his kit, but they wouldn’t work in strive because of wall break. This was their solution.

[@HellecticMojo]

It was definitely intentional. His 2S was originally an awkward anti air, but they retooled it to be a vacuuming otg normal.

[@Dispensa7]

I really do believe in what the likes of Hotashi and LK said as well that Slayer is just.. overtuned. I'm not expecting much from the patch, I'm not even expecting bunker loops to be removed (at most scaling will be changed that Slayer would rather just wallbreak instead of loop for positive). I'm just expecting scaling, framedata or hitbox changes (Not all three at once, though.) He has too many absurdly strong things for basically two weaknesses (linear neutral, poor defence) that even pros will slip up against him and be robbed on the regular. Especially with how his weaknesses very quickly turn out to not be so weak after all, because you only need to mess up once for Slayer to snowball back. His health is high so he gains a lot of meter while you're winning and then he just needs a poorly spaced button, a mistimed meatie or a misread burst/deflect/YRC/reversal from you for him to cash out a 50% combo with an RC into wallbreak or oki. It's as Gekko said himself, it doesn't feel healthy for the game when, statistically.. why SHOULDN'T Slayer mash constantly? Why SHOULDN'T you press 2H roundstart? Why SHOULDN'T you mappa in neutral, when 6P either does fuck-all, you land a fat counter or get into one of the most perplexing distance and frame based unsafe/safe/plus-situations in the entire game? After every loss against Slayer I can easily tell WHY I lost the fight, which in a way is a good thing about the character, but it usually boils down to "Oh, I guess 2H had that kinda range." or "Ah.. guess that mappa was spaced enough for him to be minus but out of range of my 5K.." Stuff like that happens with most characters, but that's generally one slip-up of 4-5 interactions and not THE slip-up that leads you to lose 60% health and give the enemy a super wallbreak to guess for game.

[@LazyStatic]

so you're telling me, this guy aint broken, after showing me how broken he is? so true

[@Shuttergun1]

Not broken just frustrating

[@daviddoesstuffandthingigue966]

A lil broken,but so is basicly everyone else in strive (help bedman and zato please I'm saying this as a slayer main)

[@uhohspaghettios821]

@@daviddoesstuffandthingigue966 anything bedman does- Ram can do betterrrr 🎶 Ram can do anything better than you! 🎶

[@JohnnyGuiltyMan]

Ok now this is just stupid and I blame myself for not ever checking Slayer's frame data. +4 on block!? Why have I ever tried to punish that?

[@edwardblee]

Hate fighting slayer? Nah I'm the one playing slayer

[@Yanooie]

"I am not in danger. I AM THE DANGER !!!"

[@zeonasist]

what about playing slayer AGAINTS a slayer

[@edwardblee]

@@zeonasist dandy X Dandy= Dandy² aka Dandy Overload

[@acemaison2834]

@@zeonasistu know the meme in fullmetal alchemist the one where two guys fist 🤛 bump into handshake. Yea that’s what happens or a aggressive match with a lot punching.

[@dyna313]

Nah i'd pilebunker

[@diesirae0_]

9:54 this is a perfect representation of how it feels to fight this character

[@matmil5]

- No mention of Mappa Punches - No mention of Super Mappa Punch - No mention of his ability to crank risk via mix ups that you have to block paired with high damage Mid video, do better next time. 2H is powerful yeah, but the issue isn't solely on that move that you can block low.

[@BOMBstylePRO]

I don't need a sexy dandy Vampire to feel stupid... I feel that way already

[@Cassapphic]

2H is probably the most emblematic of it but the points at the end do a really good job of summing up why slayer is such a nightmare to fight against, while in a lot of situations, he has limited options, those options are so powerful or at least have such weighted reward, whilst also being linear, that it leads to an experience where slayer always dictates the flow of the gae, because even if he has bad defence, if he catches one gap, you die. If you 6P the f.s, no more pressure, if he CH your 6P, no more you! You try to play around the spacing of his big normals, he laughs and skips neutral with k mappa, you try to close in to make k mappa not be plus, you get caught by him sliding into you. It leads to an experience that feels similar to learning street fighter or tekken for the first time where all your options feel so weak and you have to play super cautiously, nervously watching for every possible dumb thing your opponent might do to hang themselves, knowing if you mess up once you can get overrun in an isntant.

[@DerpeyGnome]

Worst part about losing to slayer is knowing they dont have to try near as hard to win

[@remuvs]

I honestly think P-Mappa and K-Mappa are the the actual reason a lot of people don't enjoy fighting him even though it's not really talked about. While his mixups can be annoying and the damage is a little too high, you can fuzzy mash against dandy step and high damage isn't really anything new for Strive. People say "Mappa is his only approach options, he can get lamed out"- while there is truth to that, it's a little disingenuous since the characters who can actually lame him out are only a small subset of characters (Axl, Jack-O, Testament, Bedman and situationally Asuka and Bridget). Being -1 on block for a pressure ender tool has a few undesirable implications. Obviously he isn't punishable with anything, but if he structures his offense to space trap off P-Mappa it can be a bit more like RPS instead of the defender's advantage since their fastest buttons like 2P can potentially whiff, but Slayer's would still reach with how long his 2P is. If you try use a slower button with more range like 5K or 2K they come with their own risks. Slayer's 2P may be faster even with the -1 and 2H might catch you out on the 2K for a round ending counter hit. The same thing with K-Mappa, he is -2, but in a lot of instances he isn't going to be throw punishable as he may be left too far. Since it's also a 14f lariat, you aren't going to reliably react to it with 6P until he starts pushing to max range.

[@beansnrice321]

Slayer is the sexiest character in any game, ever. lol

[@malttz9129]

6:18 if you do c.S>6HS>236K it would be a wall stick

[@T4nkE-ng1ne]

"GGST: fraud gameplay" has an exact same video

[@donniebell7887]

I was ToDing potemkins before yall even became a type 1 civilization. This shit ain't nothin to me, man.

[@bushsbakedbeans2348]

Vampire flow

[@yugijak]

Hot take: I love brawlers and mind game heavy characters but Slayer i found kind of... dull... oddly. It was more how easy it was to get a simple setup or string or just mashing the link and it was actually not a bad idea because why not? Probably copium from missing Azrael or whatever, but the amount of reward for simplicity didnt feel gratifying. Comparing him to like Anji who i love playing but also has solid damage i still feel i not only earn my reward more, but due to the nature of going into the mind games. I still have to make you sit still so i can throw you on your butt and hold this butterfly oki. I want him to feel fun to play. I dont care how good he is as a character i just want to feel like im getting big damage for even simple decisions instead of mash f.s because while he cant get much advantage out of it neither can anyone else most the time and it sets up for a very easy trap with mappa hunch. Tldr make him more counterhit dependent or something i just want to feel something when i use him to just nuke a guy instead of just mash buttons more. Again probably copium

[@ataco5912]

9:55 noise my beloved

[@trynox0]

As a Slayer main who got into the game last season, I approve this message

[@sanctityninja9345]

His N.Y voice track, is fucking awesome

[@DevdevOnYT]

"What the fuck do you think you're gonna do?" So cool

[@sanctityninja9345]

@@DevdevOnYT “Centuries of violence, burned everywhere. But to me I just do not care”

[@dastrawberydum]

Someone who works very hard can never beat someone who mains Slayer !

[@tswrangle1000]

Hate fighting slayer? "Nah, I'd 5k"

[@JoE_the_InFernO]

Slayer mains be like: "He's not broken. He's lore accurate." Brah, F off.

[@frankaxe6700]

I think he is holding back less then he did back in the day

[@mitchcapp856]

Not even talking about super mappa hunch, a move that crushes your will to combo

[@DripHakumen]

I feel so ✨ dandy ✨

[@Bealls68]

Hes just lore accurate

[@normalabsolutely7240]

Just so everyone knows. Slayers crouching heavyslash was never special cancellable in past guilty gears. This is one of the reasons why I believe strive slayer is so much more powerful

[@woodearthdvd]

So basically, Slayer is true to canon.

[@troloosauhund8747]

At least Happy Chaos was hard to play

[@narotryhard6570]

maybe try vampire saviors for halloween? it do be spooky

[@basgbee9588]

Slayer pushed me over the edge fr. Because why tf am I fighting some roblox battlegrounds chracter??

[@absoul112]

3:40 I guessed all 3 moves as a joke.

[@ClassicFlush-b2b]

Swaniawski Stravenue

[@trynox0]

Can't wait until they bring Gabriel into the game so we get an even more broken character to fight Slayer

[@Dule810]

His low defense means nothing when he can just counter hit into a combo ALWAYS with INSANE DAMAGE. Slayer needs a nerf hammer or people will continue to actively avoid fighting slayer players.

[@ZachStarAttack]

I only hate it because I'm doing it with Zato-1 who's bototm 1 or 2 for 400 days straight.

[@SLAYER-MAIOR]

Because I have been here longer that anyone else

[@invarkul7831]

Pros of maining Slayer: - Strong - Fun to play - Dandy - Hot Af - PIE RU BANKA - MAPPA HATCHI - KOKODE IPPATSU KURAE TAMAE M A P P A H A T C H I - Last horizon - Wife - Sharon - 2H - Very dandy pose during 2H - Hot af Cons of maining Slayer: - 2x queue times cuz ppl dodge you

[@jBM7420]

Slayer has no losing match ups too cuz everyone declines the fight the millisecond they see him

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

Lol

[@BBK113]

I don't find him fun to play against because it's like whatever you do to him doesn't matter because he can just TOD back and forth across the screen with little to no effort

[@dyna313]

Your video made me realize that 2h is slayer's new 6p 😂

[@acemaison2834]

Sad fact I do like slayer ,his design and sometimes it’s fun to watch him . But when ur fighting him it’s like he said “ur forced to play super honest and careful around him” because one or two mistakes is death . There numerous vids explaining this in detail but I just wonder and this is question to everyone . Is there a way to make slayer more desirable as a opponent then dread the experience?

[@aganaom1712]

As a sol player, slayer 2H genuinely feels like the ghost of s1 sol 6S come back from the grave to haunt the playerbase and ive said this in other comment sections Its so stupid

[@shafferstyle]

Love him, but curious.

[@GhostIsAYandere]

See i just never minded slayers damage, or kit in general, I play asuka, so everything just destroys me already

[@retrostart8681]

Resolved to my fate I walk straight Towards my defeat

[@ichikayya]

not related to the video at all, but do you play Granblue? If not, you totally should! Great arcsys game.

[@xxOmerOmerxx]

Slayer made me quit back to post patch dbfz

[@sorensouthard927]

The answer to the first question is one word. Damage.

[@ShoesOnTheFreeway]

3:42 SPOILERS, The answer to this question is: Yes :) (I knew it 😭)

[@NoblePaws1]

oh god did Slayer mappa hunch the auto?!

[@pablogarcia4911]

He's a very good example on how to make a charimng character so hateable

[@ignavis]

Anji Mains: First time?

[@blastingpew]

u either hate em or join em there is no middle ground, he is BROKEN

[@guymitchell9234]

is there any way to play guilty gear for free? kinda new to this channel and the gg community and been wondering if there's a way to play the game for free on another platform then steam for example...

[@gustavoponto]

You guys don't love guilty gear's slayer astral finisher last horizon? 🙃

[@Izzytheninja]

You mean "love playing"

[@Emeraldym]

9:56 For all you LOUD enjoyers

[@ArcaneMana]

Not even started the video yet I hate fighting slayer because he makes me realize that I need to tighten up my gameplan to a degree that will make it unfun for my friends to play against me. Finished video Yeah he does make me feel like an idiot

[@olianims]

slayer does potemkin damage while having chipp mobility

[@frankaxe6700]

Now I said this Once and I will say it again it's just he's too dandy

[@jamesmetcalfe9774]

Wait you uploaded this at drowning pools?

[@iitscait]

9:56 ouch

[@howerlegend4458]

gekko why earrape 9:55 ?

[@RoyaltyFruadulent]

I hate playing as slayer

[@marrt_]

Surprised mappa hunch wasn't mentioned. being a fast neutral skip being barely negative on block is ridiculous lmao

[@headwaste5277]

As an Axl main slayer is not thst bad really

[@psychromaniac3525]

Slayer feels terrible to fight against because by the time you start learning his patterns, youre already 0-20

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Slayer is just too easy to play. Literally anyone can do well with him. He does like 70% to any health bar with a 4 button combo without using meter. I'm not saying nerf him just stating this.

[@uhohspaghettios821]

Man it almost like they removed some kind of extreme weakness he used to have and put him in an environment that is better for him.

[@Cinnamosha]

You don't, so I have to: nerf this cheap piece of a design

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

@@Cinnamosha I'm not good enough to really judge how strong he is at a high level. And since he hasn't won a tournament yet I can't say to nerf him. But I will say at a lower level he is busted. He just does too much damage I think. But again this is my unranked opinion.

[@espernova228]

Why doesnt he have air combo anymore? j2K was funny

[@AnthanKrufix]

*_Be the reason Leffen quits Guilty Gear_*

[@Johnny.Dollar]

It's pretty simple. The guy has an 80% life depleting, i-frame super. "Well, there must be a downside!" you say. No. There isn't. It costs an entire bar, yes. But the guy wallsplats off of ONE HIT! Meter is never a problem.

[@LindaBevan-o1x]

Olson Greens

[@howdoirun5241]

3 really 1. There laggy a lot of the time (prob just me tho😢) 2. High ass damage 3. He has a move that will splat you on the wall in ONE HIT. Thank you for your time. 😊

[@a_wild_Kirillian]

Don't play over WiFi 👍

[@howdoirun5241]

@@a_wild_Kirillian I see, get on their level. I like it

[@a_wild_Kirillian]

@@howdoirun5241 , I was just doing a PSA =)

[@howdoirun5241]

@@a_wild_Kirillian oh, thx then ^3^

[@Rontsu]

audio warning at 9:55

[@Caliber918]

As soon as I saw his Strive design I swore to everyone I talked to that I would be playing him, no one can say I play him because of how he plays, he's simply my favorite character and that's all there is to it

[@SamIngram-o6h]

Larry Underpass

[@DustinHays-o5z]

Greyson Crossroad

[@federicopalazzi3050]

K mappa. Thats why I hate fighting slayer.

[@soron_questionmark]

alternate title: why we should nerf slayer

[@waapi1914]

As a potemkin player, playing against slayer are pure inyections of dopamine to the vein, some of my most intenses matches have been against slayer players

[@nkirmath8621]

I also seem to recall you really wanted johnny, he's pretty strong rn as well, AND he's a zoner, so

[@RobertBarela-d8y]

Carroll Junctions

[@GroteMurphy-n4v]

Kelsie Field

[@YoungWilson-j3m]

Schinner Underpass

[@DaltonLeila-g7s]

Giovanni Street

[@Ratharaine]

Slayer near single handedly caused me to quit gg for 2 months... (i mean not quite the final straw was the baiken parry nerf, but hes still aweful)

[@azizkash286]

Guilty Gear strive would be a much better game if Damage would be decreased across the board. 99% of the matches are somone getting comboed into 80% of their life. Very little neautral is played

[@Abobus101]

The game is clearly lacking in ground based footsies Guilty Gear is known for

[@azizkash286]

​@@Abobus101for sure

[@MarciaGriffith-m7t]

Noelia Ridge

[@LoraLoibu]

wtf is that sound at 9:56 was that an error

[@LincolnChristie-h2x]

Boyle Roads

[@metaknight5199]

i have made a comment that i have regret

[@shhsshyw-y3j]

Abshire Village

[@MacMillanPerry-s5v]

Alan Circle

[@BlairReisen-k2p]

Jimmie Trail