Why you need a 6 ARC | TPH 12 Minute Talks

There's a lot of misconceptions surrounding 6 ARC, so we thought we'd give you our elevator pitch for why you might and might not want to get a 6 ARC.

[@ES44AC-2]

Magpul needs to make mags for it and I need to see ammo on the shelf, so I'll be waiting to see.

[@kenorrah8072]

The 6 ARC will become very popular, so it’s cool to see your early take on it . Now I do have a bone to pick with you though. Leave the 308 alone .😀 Not everyone shoots to extended ranges and up to 300 yrds the 308 is a workhorse of a round . Love the show , keep it up

[@txpredatorhunting]

😆

[@mikeelshoff1591]

I love all tbe talk about the 6 mm arc. I finished mine in November and love and hate it but im not going to give up on this round cause i like it so much.

[@dionysis84]

What’s the hate coming from? Please don’t tell me it’s a pain in the ass like an ar9 can be?

[@chrisfisher3900]

I like it because of the utility of it. Small package and you can load from light to heavy. 72’s for yotes and from 90’s-110 for hogs and deer

[@outdoors76]

Got one yesterday!

[@MrTylero28]

I got a badass 12” 6arc barrel from Rainier arms. Super nice! And because I reload it makes sense for me

[@tphpodcast]

Rainier always has top notch stuff for a good price!

[@apolitis1]

imo this is the replacement round (for the majority of the military) to the 5.56 due to recoil, range, ballistics and ammo capacity. The cost is only a matter of adoption and will certainly be less than adopting the 6.8x51 which will mean changing platforms too

[@robertsonperformance5182]

Currently building a 6arc had a hard time finding brass but finally found some starline brass

[@918Mitchell]

I love my 6 ARC, planning on getting a bolt gun this year to really stretch it out.

[@mostrogolf22]

I don't hunt, I have a 500 yard range nearby and so far my 20" 6mmARC shoots fantastic with 105 Barnes Match Burners and 108gr ELD M. When I compare to my 20" .223Wylde setup, the 6mmARC is easier to get consistent shots out to distance, a flatter trajectory.

[@danthemaan7092]

Saw some 6.8 western for 59.99 at Bass Pro…I’m liking this 6arc more now

[@dionysis84]

I truly believe this round is going to blow up in popularity. It really has it all aside from heavy heavy stopping power like a .308-450 bushmaster but still flat shooting and amazing ballistics on an ar15 lower.

[@tphpodcast]

Seems like it already is, based on the traction of this and our other 6 ARC video.

[@depthcharge-lx5bt]

I can see this following the 6.5CM as in the popularity. Making it a 243 on steroids!

[@waynemensen4252]

I was waiting for the best bullet for coyotes is------Oops we're out of time.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Lol

[@MrLongshot762]

The one you hit them with is the best

[@therealfearsome]

6mm ARC is my new 5.56mm

[@mikeelshoff1591]

I personally would like to hear alot more about this round and longer podcasts.

[@markmtbrider]

Hornady and vortex have long discussions as well as many others. COVID really messed up the launch of this cool caliber. Just type in 6ARC and lots of stuff to see.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Hornady has a few as mentioned, also we did part 1, click link at the end of the video.

[@stevenbradley2245]

Really would love to hear some more really world numbers on the ARC

[@jjjr.1186]

It's basically Grendel. Lighter but a little faster. But if u compare match 6.5vs 6arc. There isn't much difference. Grendel also has steel cased ammo. And every company makes it.

[@herknorth8691]

This is the first "AR caliber" besides 556 that I've been actually interested in. I remember 15ish years ago when 6.8 SPC came out, a.k.a.: "expensive 7.62x39". The Grendel was intriguing too but I never took the plunge. I wish we could figure out magazines for this class of cartridge; ASC/C Products are dogshit (and so are their products) and Magpul has publicly stated they won't touch them with a barge pole so I guess I just have to hope my whopping half-dozen Unimags fit the bill? We need an AR-12.5

[@tphpodcast]

Geissele started making their own mags specifically for the ARC, hope those become available soon. We've had decent enough luck with the ASC arc mags (red follower), but still would like something better.

[@jimyeats]

I just put together an ARC build and the ASC red followers work well. Zero issues thus far.

[@jjjr.1186]

C products are flawless in Grendel. Also never had an issue with asc.

[@MJDGator]

I'm stuck right now between 16" or 18" 6 arc. If suppressed and going with 18" would you suggest rifle length gas or rifle +1?

[@Threegunmaster]

Great cartridge for reloaders ,but if you don't there aren't enough factory loads available. I've had 2 different complete uppers cmmg and Stag neither one liked anything that Hornady offers.

[@deshaundrane2705]

Where can u get that timer at?? I love the show

[@davidmilisock5200]

I have 2 AR 15's, a 20" Colt A2 in 5.56 and a 16" Aero Precision M4E in 6MM ARC. I buy Hornady factory ammo and reload for the 6ARC, it's less expensive than buying new brass and safer than mixed head stamps. In my opinion the 223 is not best served by the 77 grain, if you want a varmint/self defense round. The 223 even in a 20" barrel cannot produce enough velocity with the 77 grain and has too much drop to be field effective against small targets. My A2 does vastly better with 68 grain match, much higher velocity than the 77 grain and therefore better drop and reduced time of flight therefore better in the wind at 223 effective varmint ranges, 350 yards maximum chuck head shots. Compared to my 16" 6ARC from prone position on 18" steel my 20" A2 falls significantly behind my 6ARC at 500 yards in terms of ease of making first and repeatable hits, the ARC make easier hits at 650. The 6MM ARC in 16" handles faster and more smoothly than an M2 Carbine in M1A1 configuration in close, out performs the 16" M4's in close and significantly at 300+ yards, also outperforming the 20" A2's in close and out far starting at 350 to 400 yards depending on the wind. It's a great horse or truck rifle.

[@mostrogolf22]

Send the link for the countdown clock you have on display during the video. Thanks.

[@Strelnikov10]

It's nice to (hopefully) see this decade of fiddling around with alternates to .223 in a small frame AR arrive at a solid conclusion. I think 6 ARC may be the pinnacle and I hope it catches on enough to come down in price and increase in availability.

[@userJohnSmith]

Ultimately, to get the most out of it you need to reload and it's absolutely reloader's cartridge. I've happily been shooting the same brass for three years and it's about as cheap as anything else precision oriented.

[@mylesharvey6488]

6mm arc in a 6.5 Grendel is fire formed brass.

[@jjjr.1186]

Just buy Grendel. Every company makes it.

[@mylesharvey6488]

@@jjjr.1186 not the same at all. 6.5 Grendel is not supersonic past 900 while 6mm is out to 1200. The wind drift of 6.5 is way higher. 6mm ARC is what they hoped Grendel would do.

[@jjjr.1186]

@@mylesharvey6488 6.5 Grendel match ammo. Like federal Berger gold medal match 130grn is supersonic to 1250yds. Lol. Don't buy the honady hype. Bill tried 6mm. 6.5. 6.8. And 7mm. 6.5 did best in most cases. Also Grendel is higher bc.

[@jasonlindburg3702]

Wait till the come out with factory 87-90gr 🤯…

[@Skyhawks1979]

Took my 6mm ARC out of the gun safe for the first shoot of the year. Milk jug at 500 yards. 103gr ELDX. 10 mph crosswind. First shot was a kill. I put it back in the case.

[@bobbyhunt4387]

How bad does it tear up fox?

[@Neanderthal54]

Wade, have you broken any bolts yet on your 6 ARC’s?

[@AppleJack76]

I'd like a mini bolt action in 6 ARC.

[@depthcharge-lx5bt]

What AR barrels is everyone seeing the best performance with? I am in the midst of planning a 6ARC build :) Already have a Aero receiver (no BCG as of yet).

[@tphpodcast]

Check out the 6ARC page on Facebook. T Box barrels are super popular, we've been super happy with our proof barrels.

[@tiger9764]

Can y’all go into 6ARC vs 6 max and some of the stuff coming out of SOLGW and address some of the reliability issues they have on the 6 ARC? Are you experiencing any of the same issues?

[@806Guns]

Building a 16" 1/10 twist. Light bullets galore

[@waynemensen4252]

I have a 16" gas gun with about 200 rounds through it. I'm hoping the thing breaks in and the groups shrink soon. I'm reloading, thankfully. What bullet would you think a 1/7.5 would throw best? 75vmax?

[@rustynut1967]

What cartridge 223/556 0r 6 ARC? If it's a 6 ARC and want a varmint round 87gr Vmax, if you want small groups the Hornady 105gr HPBT work good. At 200 rounds your barrel is well broke in.

[@formulajoe2]

I have shot everything from 55gr to 108gr in my 6ARC and I’m amazed at how good the lightweight bullets group out of the 7.5 twist barrel. The 55gr Sierra Blitzking shoots bughole groups with H322, but I’m running the 75gr V-Max with H4895, which also shoot well, but not quiet as good as those 55’s.

[@waynemensen4252]

@rustynut1967 My 16" gaser has a 4-5 inch group with Hornady Black 105's at 100.

[@GhostlierQ82]

@@waynemensen4252 I recommend changing to a heavier buffer. Vibrations/resonance from the BCG can mess with accuracy, no matter how high quality the barrel is. Cheers.

[@therealfearsome]

@@waynemensen4252 you've got something wrong, you should expect groups half that size. I haven't heard anyone not getting MOA at 100m. I've got a McGowen Precision Barrels 18" match-grade that I have put 10 rounds through the same .75 ragged hole at 100m 108gr BTHP @ 2650fps @ muzzle in gusty conditions. I'm running a Geissele trigger and a Wilson Combat Compensator. I use a 4x24 40mm FFP scope.

[@elwhastrummer]

Yeah there's that one thing... Where's the brass?? I have 2 choices Buy expensive, hard to find ammo so I can collect the brass for reloading Or Resize 6.5 Grendel brass for reloading, which is a pain in the ass. Otherwise, I love my 6mm ARC rifle, it's very accurate at 300-400 yards, and I'll be shooting at 600 yard steel this spring.

[@craesh1001]

My buddy hunts with 6 ARC and it is awesome for hogs and dogs. The only thing keeping me from going to it is the ammo. We reload but the brass supply is killing him at the moment

[@waynemensen4252]

I bought loaded ammo and played at the range. The 103 eld actually shoots fair out of my rifle.

[@craesh1001]

@@waynemensen4252 he bought a few hundred rounds but it would be nice to just get the brass without having to buy loaded hornady ammo or their brass alone that’s insanely expensive. Starline makes good brass but they’ve had no major calibers on hand for a hot minute.

[@waynemensen4252]

@@craesh1001 ammo seek currently has 108 for about 1.50/rd after shipping.

[@craesh1001]

@@waynemensen4252 NICE! I’ll let my buddy know. Much appreciated

[@waynemensen4252]

@craesh1001 1.32 / $1.64, when I added shipping in my cart. I just went in this morning, and it was $184 total, $188 insured for 5 boxes.

[@blueeyeddevil1]

The absence of available brass for loading, even from Hornady, is a deal killer right now. It's perplexing how they seem to have abandoned this cartridge just as it was trying to take off.

[@dremc94]

Hey guys the last thing I'm trying to decide on for my 6 arc is either a criterion or bartlein barrel. Any advice?

[@txpredatorhunting]

Have heard good things about both, do not have any experience with those in particular.

[@therealfearsome]

McGowen Precision Barrels my 18" shoots sub-MOA out to 200m and I've managed MOA at 400m...in an AR!! In a Freeking AR!

[@jimklemens5018]

Lilja barrels.

[@K-bob_45]

Genuinely confused at the disdain for 308. I’m pretty certain it’ll shoot inside this cartridge with more energy. Just a bigger platform

[@jimbograves1576]

Okay, here's the big Q. Your getting 2 rifles, one AR the other bolt. One has to be 6arc the other grendel. Which way do you go.

[@markmtbrider]

I am on the fence, 6.5 grendel sure is cool, but ammo .....

[@jjjr.1186]

Buy Grendel. Ammo is available from every cartridge company on earth except Winchester.

[@InkwellFoto]

What clock is that?

[@MrTylero28]

It’s called a Nixie tube clock

[@Jordan882007]

What suppressor is that on the table ?

[@MrTylero28]

It’s the CGS Helios

[@Jordan882007]

@@MrTylero28 See I think you are wrong. It looks like a CGS Hyperion. That’s why I’m asking. Also there are different types of Helios. There is the Helios QD. The Helios QD TI. There are direct tread options. Hence why I am asking.

[@franklinholt8054]

That clock is sick, WHERE ?????????

[@kellytruong5404]

So anyone has tips for building an ar in 6arc?

[@txpredatorhunting]

Check out our first vid .

[@StukesOfficial]

Build a good one

[@nismoracer15]

Do these guys own a munitions company? If so, name?

[@tphpodcast]

Ally Munitions

[@joquin4618]

Cuz ammo availability 🤷🏻‍♂️ 👍

[@jimklemens5018]

My 6mm ARC barrel is going to be 25 inches.

[@byzantinelegionnaire9469]

If you already have an AR-15 you need a 6mm ARC upper!

[@TheAdam2877]

It is a shame we have been priced out of being able to realisticly train with practically any ammo. Even cheaper .223/556 is running 40 cents + a round. I enjoy shooting particularly to be competent with my firearms. That is the Governments goal. Price civilians out of everything while making corporate America richer.

[@laserbeam-fx9qv]

Honestly I don't see enough of a difference between the 6.5 Grendel and 6 mm ARC. Yes 6 mm ARC is faster mainly due to the lower weight of the bullet. But if you fire a 100 grain 6.5 Grendel the speeds are very comparable. If you fire both a 5.6 Grendel and 6 mm ARC form the same length barrel though the speed is higher on the 6 mm ARC the energy is very comparable down range. Where the 6 mm ARC shines is that it stays supersonic longer make it better for longer distance shooting yet the Grendel is better for hunting due to it's heavier bullet. I just don't see the "huge" improvement of the 6 mm arc in a AR15 platform. Too me the only reason 6.5 Grendel would die as a cartridge is if the ammo manufacturers stopped supporting it.

[@anthonymurphy2540]

I will keep shooting my grendel!!!

[@r.markrosquist4842]

This cartridge could easily just die if we don't see brass and ammo options and SOON!

[@SSPENGUIN1]

HORNADY is gonna drive this caliber to the ground they refuse to release proprietary rights to the case specs.

[@tysanders8700]

More effective at hunting? Why switch from 6.5G...

[@MR-vk9li]

Well, issues with consistent factory ammunition, poor availability of brass and other components for reloading, issues with magazines (reliability), and issues running on full auto makes it an issue for commercial viability as well as adoption by the military. The kinks are still being worked out... Currently a hype cartridge for nerds.

[@user-mj1vb8jr6j]

Woah bud slow down there. 556 with a heavy non bonded or non monolithic bullet (like a mk262 or similar) goes through less walls than a 9mm and will knock a bad guy ass over teacup. I don’t think they make a better home defense caliber than 556. It’s a beast

[@AutopilotAndChill]

Multiple reasons you wouldn’t want it; Ammo availability, price, need a bigger bore silencer, weaker bolt. The reason you want it is for hunting and long distance shooting as the BC is better. I would say for home defense 223 is better. There is a lot less chance of over penetration. 55 grain vmax or 77 grain sierra OTM. I would even go with 300 blackout before 6 ARC for home defense as you can use some of the first rounds as subsonic with a silencer, then below those rounds you can go loud if you need more power. 6 ARC is very niche cartridge.

[@BillyWillicker]

Ummm...... Ruger SFAR/POF Rogue in 243 Win. Mic. Drop.

[@Brieken90]

Because Grendel exists I won’t ever touch arc. The fact you can buy Grendel everywhere and it’s so affordable in steel case it’s a financial win for Grendel all day

[@RespondOutdoors]

Where have you found steel case? 🤔 Thats harder to find than Hornady.

[@rustynut1967]

308 and 6 ARC have about the same drop.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Care to expand upon that?

[@rustynut1967]

@@txpredatorhunting Look at a ballistic calculator. 6 ARC at 600 yards with 108 ELDs 12.49 MOA up at 1000 30.79. A 308 with Hornady 168gr ELDs at 600 13.1 MOA 1000 32.63. That was one of the requirements and selling points to the military, 308 ballistics in a smaller cartridge in a AR size platform.

[@txpredatorhunting]

I’m aware of the ballistics, was just curious where you got your data . Fact is, yes they wanted same or better. In a lighter platform. It outperforms the 308 with close to 20 gr less powder. And dramatically less recoil. Real life data it outperforms the 308 .

[@rustynut1967]

@@txpredatorhunting Yes, I'm a big fan and love my 6ARC. I've had mine for quite a while. It was one of the first 6Arc barrels chambered by Compass Lake Engineering (later part of 2020).

[@MrTylero28]

No they don’t

[@smicksmookety]

Summary: You Don't. Grendel has filled this gap for quite some time and the ARC is so incredibly similar it seems its only purpose is to sell more guns.

[@aktideracer8710]

It’s just a better version of 6.5 Grendel, faster, more ballistically coefficient, and similar energy with a 15%-20% lighter projectile. Kinda makes buying a new Grendel obsolete, but if you own one already all you need is the 6 arc barrel. But… if you don’t shoot past 400 you won’t need it and inside 400 6.5 Grendel is very similar

[@smicksmookety]

@@aktideracer8710 I've looked at all the charts and seen it in action, it's certainly not better, it just trades energy at distance for flatness. It's so incredibly similar that its creation was mostly pointless, other than for selling more guns. Ammo purchasers are heavily influenced by novelty.

[@aktideracer8710]

@@smicksmookety it was made for the military, not to sell guns but to kill people. They have limitless amounts of our money to give to Hornady to test and the 6 arc is the result of that testing. To say it’s not good and made to sell more guns shows you haven’t done your homework.

[@recklessrt]

If that were the case, then DoD would have never let the contract for 6mm ARC. Apparently, the US Department of Defense disagrees with your opinion.

[@smicksmookety]

@@recklessrt that just adds strength to my argument XD. In fact it's quite flattering.

[@weldmonger1560]

Good for reloading not for people who don't. On top of that it's a phase. It will fizzle out til the next best thing comes out just like the 6.5 creedmoore

[@anthonymurphy2540]

There is no brass to be have!! Just build a 6 creedmoor!!!

[@carldoby2827]

If you want to shoot factory loads, don't buy this gun. You can't find it. Only Hornady makes it and it's out of stock.

[@Skyhawks1979]

The 103 grain has been available at my LGS for the last couple of months.

[@gesheepistemology8050]

The one reason why NOT ARC!! Weird bolt face and it is not better than Dasher GT CM BR... GT and CM have 308 bolt face and do not need special mag and don't have feed issues.