Why You Should ALWAYS Strap Your Ceiling

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@BTPO
@BTPO 2 жыл бұрын
Currently finishing strapping out my basement ceiling tonight. Great for led pot lights, pipes, and access panels. I’ve used a tons of your brilliant advice on my basement remodel. I’ve rewatched your basement videos many times. Your soffit idea want BRILLIANT! Thanks again Jeff
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
That is awesome! Cheers! Bri!
@marksullivan57
@marksullivan57 2 жыл бұрын
Because of you Jeff, I strapped my living room ceiling and it turned out looking great. My wife was shocked Lol
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
well done Mark!
@maddhouse99
@maddhouse99 2 жыл бұрын
My basement ceiling is already dry-walled but I think I might put strapping over it anyways because you made it look so easy
@ajmckinney33
@ajmckinney33 Жыл бұрын
Question!! Do you frame the wall before you strap the ceiling? I started strapping but it looks like it’s going to cause more trouble when I try to frame out the room
@tylerdunlap-ll3dt
@tylerdunlap-ll3dt Жыл бұрын
Don't exactly know why, but this is one of your most enjoyable videos for me. I'm finishing my basement, and often come back to this video when I'm second guessing myself or getting overwhelmed. It pumps me up, gets me back in the saddle. Thanks!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome Tyler. Happy to help!
@DominickCascianoIII
@DominickCascianoIII 2 жыл бұрын
I just read through all the comments {before posting, and all my questions were answered} Jeff, good bless you for answering the same comments over&over and for putting up with us harry homeowners and armchair contractors you said it -- don't overthink this, folks!! -- I needed to hear that. thanks.
@jobaecker9752
@jobaecker9752 2 жыл бұрын
Great information - and on a side note, especially with today's technology, I would definitely take lots of photos and videos of any major house remodeling -- for your own reference or for the new buyers. I had remodeled two bathrooms at my parents house and took a huge amount of photos. The new buyers were beyond flabbergasted at the detail and could easily see the electrical and plumbing runs.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@avenger429
@avenger429 12 күн бұрын
Thank you! I live in a 1900 stick built house with red oak flooring. The living room buckles the most in the winter, even though the basement is heated and the floor joists are solid and done right. This made me think of adding a backer to a cabinet to keep it from "racking" or building a torsion box to help a structure keep its shape. It may not add strength against loading, but it does add strength against racking. Since wood is constantly expanding/contracting, this is a brilliant countermeasure to that.
@rhoopark
@rhoopark 11 ай бұрын
As a new DIYer Jeff is smooth as a superhero 😂
@swishnsmokes
@swishnsmokes 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff, thanks for posting. I am finishing my 1987 basement and this will be extremely useful, along with your other videos on framing walls, sub-flooring, vapor barriers, etc. Thanks so much.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you! You are your best contractor! Cheers!
@jacktorrance3522
@jacktorrance3522 2 жыл бұрын
Literally just finished doing this same job myself and totally agree with Jeff. The ability to go in and add more cables for future ceiling speakers (if I choose to) is really handy.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jack
@quandt4847
@quandt4847 2 жыл бұрын
Explain this to me. I do not understand why strapping aids in running cables other than that the wire would lay on the strapping instead of on the sheet rock if you ran the line perpendicular to the strapping. If you run the wire same direction as strapping how would this help at all?
@jwb0323
@jwb0323 Жыл бұрын
@@quandt4847 I struggles with this too, I guess maybe you’d only have to punch a small hole in the drywall to fish the wires through and not have to go through the joists
@robertgiresi9515
@robertgiresi9515 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is how you get production work done fast! When I added strapping to my ceiling, I didn't know about the spacer trick. Also, I used screws even though I have a nail gun. I was just being lazy because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of getting out the compressor. It's DIY for me, so luckily I'm not on a time budget. Great tips Jeff!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Robert!
@rolfbjorn9937
@rolfbjorn9937 2 жыл бұрын
For ceiling strapping screws are superior. For obvious reasons, ...gravity likes to pull stuff down and screws hold better against pulling forces.
@helmanfrow
@helmanfrow 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing lazy about using screws! They create a far superior assembly which will not pull out over time. There's essentially no risk of the screws breaking because the load is all tension, no shearing.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
there is no shear force on a vertically installed nail. Cheers!
@helmanfrow
@helmanfrow 2 жыл бұрын
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I think you might have misread my post. 😉🍻
@boodybandit
@boodybandit 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on as always! I just demoed the finished part of my basement to start from scratch. I was contemplating whether or not to strap because ceiling height is already below 8’. Now I know it will be a mistake not too and what am I sacrificing? 3/4” Okay my material list just got a couple hundred dollars bigger but WELL worth it! Thanks! Perfect timing. Heading out tomorrow to pick up material.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Great news. strapping is only 5/8 of an inch thick so you will have a wee bit of extra head room. LOL. Cheers!
@Lsidjejaickenw833
@Lsidjejaickenw833 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, for basements under 8, you are sacrificing some headroom plus any additional inches you add to floor (insulating/vapor floor boards). Inches start mattering a lot. Running conduit everywhere might make more sense.
@boodybandit
@boodybandit 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lsidjejaickenw833 its 1200 sq ft of open space. I have been designing multiple concepts for over 2 years. Although I think I have a pretty good idea how it will be set up I might change my mind over time. Being able to fish speaker, broadband and electrical wire practically anywhere makes more sense by giving up less than an inch. Trust me. I know how much it already sucks having less than 8'. My last home had over 9' ceilings in the basement. I had such a sweet setup but we moved to a historic area where most homes are over 100 years old. I tried several companies to under pin my home but had no takers. Beggars cant be choosy. Gotta make due with what I have now.
@denisegaylord382
@denisegaylord382 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lsidjejaickenw833 my late husband was 6'4". Our basement when finished was 6'6". We put in recessed lighting, and used the rim joist on each end, and built the adjacent walls about 2 inches off the block to create a chase way for all the wires, plumbing, etc.
@ADUSolutions
@ADUSolutions Жыл бұрын
Waste of time and money.
@inquisitive4928
@inquisitive4928 Жыл бұрын
🤩 I’m not a contractor/builder, I was watching a renovation program and the guy was explaining new siding to be installed. He said, but 1st we have to do the strapping, I looked it up & here’s your video. Your EZ explanation filled my knowledge bank with something I’d not even heard b4🎉
@mikecampanella1990
@mikecampanella1990 2 жыл бұрын
I used strapping on my ceiling as well to hold my drywall. Drywall gives a better fire barrier and looks like another part of the house. People complain about not accessing things, but you can get spring loaded access panels for these items and can service things if needed. If you nail the strapping, use ringshanks to avoid anything loosening up! Another great video, Jeff!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
exactly!
@TheOnlyBigRed32
@TheOnlyBigRed32 Жыл бұрын
What gauge nails do you use to attach strapping?
@soupysoup931
@soupysoup931 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, papa Jeff. Always bringing fun quick videos with a lotta satire and jokes because of experience. Gotta love to learn a lot by watching a quick video on a break, thanks.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@chrisroyuri
@chrisroyuri 2 жыл бұрын
Besides spreading the load out, which preserves the integrity of the drywall joints over the life of the house, the other big reason is you can nullify structural brackets and any other protrusions (less than 3/4 inch) from bulging out the sheetrock. Fixing any 16 oc layout issues is also a significant (and common) plus to Strapping. Snapping lines every 4-8 ft is good practice for large rooms (greater than 16 ft or so), so your 16 oc doesn't get out of whack with the spacer block. Great video though. (Also should stagger the joints for the furring strips). Dang, furthermore if necessary Strapping can be leveled with shims or spacers for floor/ceiling joints that are out of plane.
@darinvee4980
@darinvee4980 2 жыл бұрын
He was using floor trusses with a 3.5" screwing surface. You'd have to have some of the worst framers in history to not have adequate surface area to attach drywall. Do what you want, but his reasoning on why to put up strapping had nothing to do with logic.
@chrisroyuri
@chrisroyuri 2 жыл бұрын
@@darinvee4980 That doesn't necessarily address layout issues, where the joists layout flip 90 degrees, which is common. Also sometimes there's angle brackets and stuff sticking down even from those floor trusses. And while those engineered floor trusses are quite firm, any deflection forces without strapping goes right into the sheetrock (negligible in this case, probably, but not with maximum length joists (whatever that may be; 16+ ft)). Agree, that if there's ever a time where strapping can be skipped it's with those engineered floor trusses. Other considerations may still apply.
@tredogzs
@tredogzs 2 жыл бұрын
or... NO strapping
@chrisroyuri
@chrisroyuri 2 жыл бұрын
@@tredogzs I'm doing a house right now that has 4 rooms with beams, brackets and long crowned ceiling hosts. Strapping is necessary. Though people are free to do hack work if they want. Have fun with that.
@darinvee4980
@darinvee4980 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisroyuri Your particular situation is not any comparison to this video. He is in new construction with engineered floor trusses. They are used because they are uniform and do not have long crowns or other defects. The use of strapping in this video is just a waste. No logical reason to do it for this project.
@kjincanada
@kjincanada Ай бұрын
You are a helpful fun person. It's such a fun thing to watch your video. Learned a lot!!!
@stephenbrickwood1602
@stephenbrickwood1602 2 жыл бұрын
Remember the end in the beginning. Excellent.
@ivanxyz1
@ivanxyz1 2 жыл бұрын
I like your reasons for strapping floor joists. I would strap my ceilings. But I am kind of wondering if 1x3 lumber nailed to engineered joists can really transfer that much deflection to neighboring joists. Maybe if the 1x3 was screwed in? Or maybe 2x4 screwed in?
@B.r.i.a.n.1
@B.r.i.a.n.1 2 жыл бұрын
Of course it does nothing. He's literally talking out of his back side. Staples and furring strips. Lmao. Any house with hardwood would be required by code to have adequate sub floor.
@silverbackag9790
@silverbackag9790 Жыл бұрын
@@B.r.i.a.n.1 code is minimum. Code gets you shitty McMansions made with 85 different materials that was left over from other jobs.
@joeelsaesser1659
@joeelsaesser1659 2 жыл бұрын
Great...now I need a Ramsey burger. Great info. Made me feel good that I did it this summer and it wasn't a waste.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
So good!
@stevenrobinson2964
@stevenrobinson2964 2 жыл бұрын
I like your videos Jeff! Thank you! Here in Massachusetts, USA, strapping has always been done on all ceilings since the dawn of time. Building/Electrical code even has a change in it to allow wires to be ran between the joist and the drywall. The ceiling basically becomes a huge chase for wiring if needed. It otherwise would not be allowed because there is not 1-1/4" of clearance between the nailing surface and the wiring. We use ring-shank nails. 2 per joist. Not 1 like you show in the video.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
In this video I was strapping to set up for a t and g wood plank ceiling. for drywall 2 nails are best to prohibit twisting and nail pops. Cheers!
@dmcarpenter3097
@dmcarpenter3097 2 жыл бұрын
I mean this is pretty good. Strapping doesn't add strength or distribute load to adjacent joints, and squeaking won't occur anyway because the subfloor is also glued, but all in all this is a pretty good video. (Construction professional)
@lucash1980
@lucash1980 2 жыл бұрын
Second that, no strength added. Strapping will only act to help prevent the beam from twisting, but not sagging or bouncing. Only adding blocking between joists actually transfers the load from one joist to another...but only if it is done right and tight. No loose fitting blocks and don't space them out too far. Old homes with 8" joists benefit from closer spacing to firm up the floor.
@chrisc5334
@chrisc5334 2 жыл бұрын
Journeyman carpenter here, agree with you, strapping really only serves an aesthetic purpose, it helps you install different finish materials more flatly and get away from protrusions, aside from that it does nothing
@jwiereng
@jwiereng 2 жыл бұрын
seems to me that it is optimistic to assume strapping makes it 3 times stronger as mentioned at 1:28
@chrisc5334
@chrisc5334 2 жыл бұрын
@@jwiereng its optimistic to say it adds any strength at all
@jwiereng
@jwiereng 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisc5334 Ya, it this was true, you would see the engineer calling for straps and save $$ by allowing for smaller joists or smaller floor trusses
@johnm5131
@johnm5131 2 жыл бұрын
100% right on how it contributes to reduced deflection. Made a huge difference with my TGIs!
@vezmonlp
@vezmonlp Жыл бұрын
Please make shirts that say "Perfect every time!" You're my new favourite building and renovation channel. I'm about to finish the basement on our new home and I'm doing it myself to get the best result.
@lrc87290
@lrc87290 2 жыл бұрын
In the states some parts of the country strap some parts do not strap. I know there are a lot of names for those lights. I think " Wafer Lights" best describes them. Great video as always.
@ernestinasanchez5305
@ernestinasanchez5305 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks again. Just having the knowledge, even if we don't do the job ourselves, it's so helpful to be sure the job(s) are done correctly by whom ever we are paying to do them.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@hannesd9586
@hannesd9586 2 жыл бұрын
Love the enthusiasm and humor! I'm building a timberframe house in Belgium.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds great! Cheers to Belgium!
@plarh8r163
@plarh8r163 2 жыл бұрын
I believe that things will turn out a little nicer if you take the time to measure and cut the strapping so your but joints will land on the joists and staggering the joints will also reduce problems with drywall cracks. Screws or ring shank nails
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
the drywall runs contrary to the strapping so there are no butt joints. Cheers!
@jolkraeremeark6949
@jolkraeremeark6949 2 жыл бұрын
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY again, wouldn't you want strapping butt joints to land on joists? You wouldn't need to worry about the backside splint.
@nbco55
@nbco55 2 жыл бұрын
I think he's saying the drywall is long enough that there's no butt joint... Like a 12' sheet makes it across the whole bay.
@jolkraeremeark6949
@jolkraeremeark6949 2 жыл бұрын
@@nbco55 ok, 12 x ? I do believe you will have butt joint, no?
@plarh8r163
@plarh8r163 2 жыл бұрын
I meant that the cut of the strapping was a but cut it is not mitered .Cheers!
@billb.4901
@billb.4901 2 жыл бұрын
I like the ideas of strapping, although I’ve never done it. It seems like we use drywall screws to hang the drywall. Wouldn’t it be better to use screws to mount the strapping?
@blakepeterson1977
@blakepeterson1977 6 ай бұрын
Screws are my fastener of choice. Unfortunately, they
@blakepeterson1977
@blakepeterson1977 6 ай бұрын
Standard screws Don't have the shear or tensile strength of nail. Drywall screws would not hold up well if that is what you are thinking.
@km04
@km04 2 жыл бұрын
If part of the benefit is to relieve tension on the nails in the flooring above would it be helpful to rent a screw gun and use a fastener stronger in tension loads for the strapping? Or would it not really matter?
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
that is over thinking it a bit. just giving the deflection a bit of a resistance is more than enough. Cheers!
@JasonEllingsworth
@JasonEllingsworth Жыл бұрын
One thing to note as well, if you are willing to put in a small amount of more work, you get some rubber strips to place in between your 1x3 and floor joist and nail/screw through. You will isolate much of the sound coming from footsteps above if you do this.
@dodgeme1986truck
@dodgeme1986truck 2 жыл бұрын
trick when strapping offset each row of strapping so that all the seams don't line up this adds more structural integrity and reduces the chance of ceiling cracking
@rheuss1
@rheuss1 9 ай бұрын
In the eighties we built almost everything with strap ceilings. The problem after a few years is the one by material starts to sag and it shows on the drywall. No perfect system.
@dylanowens3173
@dylanowens3173 2 жыл бұрын
As someone lives in rural Colorado mountains, I tore down my basement ceiling and insulation because of mice ! In rural mountains these mice seek warmth and were so destructive chewing holes to get in the house and would run all over the basement ceiling and insulation creating their own warm village. It was best to rip it down so could put traps so they couldn't have place to hide and thrive.
@shoebert31
@shoebert31 2 жыл бұрын
THAT CEILING IS RAW
@rockshot100
@rockshot100 2 жыл бұрын
F me, it is RAAAR!
@turboflush
@turboflush 11 ай бұрын
My 1940 house had strapping from the beginning. But the sheetrock was 2x4 strips with 1/2" of plaster on top. Not really sure why they did it. But i like it and duplicated with the new addition and remodel. Foes make some lighting and duct work a bit challenging. Probably reduces cracks. I have zero cracks in my house to this day.
@WesterlyPrune99
@WesterlyPrune99 Жыл бұрын
Can you do this over an old saggy drywall ceiling before putting new drywall over it?
@goldiemoore9573
@goldiemoore9573 2 жыл бұрын
So what prevents the weight of the sheetrock from pulling the nails from the joists? Seems to me that the nails won't hold that went thru the strapping... am I missing something?
@dankelley9361
@dankelley9361 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip. I wish my whole house ceiling was strapped for lighting & wiring that always seems to change.
@ravinderrattan3207
@ravinderrattan3207 Жыл бұрын
What is size of wood for strapping 1×2×8 and nail size ?
@eagl3ye
@eagl3ye Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t romex sit too shallow if running behind 1x3 strapping? Doesn’t code require wire be set no less than 1.25” from a nailing surface?
@user-gi3bq3sz3j
@user-gi3bq3sz3j 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on how to stringline and level your strapping
@aaronf8119
@aaronf8119 2 жыл бұрын
Just a note: adding strapping does not make your floor "3x as strong". Might not of meant that literally, but def not true.
@gasgasgas
@gasgasgas 2 жыл бұрын
Strapping will add structural stability? I would love to see where that info came from.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
an engineer. Cheers!
@mattbcameron
@mattbcameron 2 жыл бұрын
Sound advice. I have an unfinished basement... I added a section of drywall to the ceiling without strapping a few years ago... the light pops out an inch, and now I want to do the rest, I do actually have to take down all the drywall I put up and do it right. Wish I saw this 5 years ago.
@Kmecha84
@Kmecha84 2 жыл бұрын
Just finish it as it is. Why do all that extra work? I've hung shit loads of drywall over the yrs and never once did I hang a sheet on a strapped ceiling or wall. If you've that far that's how new houses are built. If you're worried put some more screws in each sheet and it'll never sag especially if you screwed off 5/8 sheets
@JonathanSick
@JonathanSick 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Great idea for making electric retrofits easier. I didn’t catch what strapping material. Is it 1x3? 2x?
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
I used 1 x 3. you could use 1x4 to make it easier to drywall but then use 2 nails to install. if you have old dimensional lumber then upgrade to 2x4 if it is only 2x8 joists.
@pdg3870
@pdg3870 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure that the single nail at each truss/joist would do much to increase the stiffness of the floor framing system with regard to loading from above. The pull-out resistance of that nail is pretty low. If screwed however, then perhaps a bit of load distribution can happen to adjacent trusses/joists?
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
for sure it makes a difference to use screws, even 2 of them. but to just hang drywall on engineered floor joists 1 nail is sufficient.
@Bansheekilr
@Bansheekilr 2 жыл бұрын
The way I’m seeing it, the fasters are not even a factor. You’d have to install those boards vertically if you really wanted to reduce deflection.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
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@parzivalready8063
@parzivalready8063 2 жыл бұрын
Jeff what lenght of nail do you use to nail them? thanks :D !
@pauljean8069
@pauljean8069 2 жыл бұрын
I love your tutorials. Did I miss a video on drywall ceiling into roof trusses? I need to drywall my primary residence 2nd floor 24" oc roof trusses. I assume 1x3 strapping, one ring shaft nail(?) At each strap-truss connection??
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
2 1/8" , Cheers!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
for 24"0c I would use a 1x4 and 2 screws at each location. I would also suggest using 5/8 drywall to keep kit from warping over time.
@Manu__R
@Manu__R 2 жыл бұрын
I would probably use screws instead of nails, they are more work to put in but they won't work their way out. The way the nails are installed is their weakest holding position, the strapping trying to pull the nails out by gravity. Anything hanging on the strapping will make it worse. And if someone jumps upstairs, instead of transferring the load to the next joists, it'll pop out the nails in the strapping a bit.
@juniormint3136
@juniormint3136 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with screws, they're more secure of a hold than crummy nails. But if you insist on nails, then use a hammer. A few hundred overhead nails'll make a man out of ya.
@joeny1980
@joeny1980 13 күн бұрын
Jeff, if you strap the ceiling, then are you always doing a double top plate on your walls? If not, it would seem there's not enough top plate to attach wall drywall to.
@1sttigertiger426
@1sttigertiger426 2 жыл бұрын
Should screws be used on the strapping instead of nails? Vibrations and deflections on the joists, and gravity will cause drywall atrached to the basement ceiling to sag over time? Also overtime the nail will lose it hold in the wood.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
1 hundred and fifty years ago they built houses without a single screw or structural fastener. Today we won der if a nail can support 1 lb of ceiling long term. no worries. Cheers!
@scootdawg7542
@scootdawg7542 2 жыл бұрын
So glad you shot this video! I was always curious on why strapping was beneficial. When is it necessary to install a vapor barrier? Is this something that needs to be done 100% of the time when finishing a basement?
@Kmecha84
@Kmecha84 2 жыл бұрын
Always run 6mm poly on exterior walls. Tape off all joints
@gbltheolechurch5acrehomestead
@gbltheolechurch5acrehomestead 2 жыл бұрын
Right on! Scrapping is a GREAT IDEA!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@jeffbailey4928
@jeffbailey4928 8 ай бұрын
I started framing in 78’ in the NW. suburbs of Chicago. Strapping was never done and all the sheetrocker’s I’ve ever talked to you about it hate the idea because it screws up the wall heights. Besides, with the widespread use of engineered floor joists, deflection deflection is no longer an issue. So, for the extra time and material cost, it’s just not worth it.
@kyles7414
@kyles7414 2 ай бұрын
Great video, Jeff! 2 questions for you. 1. Is it 1x3 or 1x4 strapping you are using? 2. I was planning on installing a drop ceiling so I drywalled the walls. Now I’ve changed my mind and will be drywalling the ceiling. Is it ok to install the drywall on the ceiling after the walls? I really don’t want to take everything down unless it’s completely necessary. Thanks!!!
@nates5703
@nates5703 2 жыл бұрын
Good idea, but I wouldn't trust the pull-out stength of nails with direct vertical loading. Recipe for cracked ceiling drywall. Use nails to tack them in a few spots, then screws the rest of the way.
@SnowAngelfish
@SnowAngelfish 10 ай бұрын
I would imagine straping also decouples the sheetrock from the joists and reduces impact noise a bit. The contact points are much less surface area. Not as good as hat channel but probably better than that foam tape you put on joists. I imagine if he ran the foam tape on the strapping that could even improve sound deadening even more.
@jacobecorder
@jacobecorder 2 жыл бұрын
I just strapped my roof ceiling with membrain vapor barrier above it for zero penetrations through the barrier.. I used sealing tape at every strap screw I put in. Walls will be built after drywall is done on the ceiling. perfect barrier. Strapping was the only way I could fit the wafer lights in the ceiling without having to cut into the barrier.
@Odessit68
@Odessit68 Жыл бұрын
I see that you start in the middle, do you go all the way to the corner? Do you need a strap all the way at the edge of the ceiling?
@terrybowes4801
@terrybowes4801 Ай бұрын
Would I put vapor barrier first or after strapping
@drillingmachine
@drillingmachine Ай бұрын
What's the width and thickness of the strapping planks? Is that a framing nailer?
@garysullivan1970
@garysullivan1970 2 жыл бұрын
It is 9 feet from my walking basement slab up to the bottom of the upstairs floor joists. We live in the Southern U.S. where we added a basement bedroom & the contractor framed for the different rooms, bathroom, etc., but he also used the existing basement walls by running 2x4's across from the framing, cut to length and sandwiched between them and the walls. Those 2x4's were connected to the joists above with shorter 2x4 pieces. Sheetrocked attached to the 2x4 runners to make a lower ceiling. Your thoughts.....
@maagu4779
@maagu4779 Жыл бұрын
This video is amazing! You answered all of my questions and answers that I never knew existed!
@carlosecabezas
@carlosecabezas 2 жыл бұрын
I am sure he can use any brand....but craftsman is a serious brand now I have some of the newest and they are very good.
@dustincopeman2370
@dustincopeman2370 Жыл бұрын
How do you accomplish this when you have utilities like wire, ductwork, and pex hanging below your floor joists?
@mattalbrecht7471
@mattalbrecht7471 2 жыл бұрын
Also a nice gap for mice to run about your ceiling and joists. We had strapping right above the bottom beam of the joist just opposite side of where you were putting it. A spray foam for roughly 16" thick of insulation between floors, double rock (going perpendicular to each other with an airspace) in the ceiling, and the soundproofing is beyond words you can't hear anybody drop anything up above you and from up above you can't hear anything going on beneath you - that I liked!
@joycetessman
@joycetessman Жыл бұрын
Sure would like to find a video showing where/how insulation is placed around heating runs. I see here that a thin layer of insulation is put under the run. Is any insulation put between the tube/run and the floor?
@mikethompson7406
@mikethompson7406 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Now I know why my floor bounces when my wife walks on it! I thought she just needed to go on a diet! I'll be strapping my basement when I finish it in 2023!
@sihay93
@sihay93 9 ай бұрын
Strapping is definitely a great choice for ceilings. However, doesn’t the OBC require two 57mm (2 1/4”) nails per joist for wood or metal strapping to underside of floor joist? I also wouldn’t be inclined to fish a NM (Romex) cable in between the underside of a joist and the drywall. Unlike fishing into a wall space, where there is usually about 3 1/2” of space, there is very little room for the cable to move, if a screw is inadvertently driven through the drywall in line with the cable and the joist. Having said that, I do enjoy these videos!
@hexboxx735
@hexboxx735 2 жыл бұрын
Really help mate I have a crack across my ceiling due to a long span I bet that's what I need to sort it
@garrettbodwell61
@garrettbodwell61 7 ай бұрын
Adding strapping also allows for ventilation between the joists, helps prevent mold.
@Terius66
@Terius66 11 ай бұрын
What about or what would you do if you had venation going across the joist ?
@steveapet1
@steveapet1 2 жыл бұрын
Curious how much extra strength is added with these straps nailed to the underside of the joist? Seems like if such weight from above was enough to deflect the joist it would have no problem pulling on the nail holding the strap on, or bowing the strap itself, as the strap is laying flat and is thin stock??? However I love the idea of creating an extra direction for a chase way, and 16 spacing through out!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
it is small effect but helps against warping of dimensional lumber. for better results for deflection use 2x4 if you have a bad case. Cheers!
@soddog4
@soddog4 2 жыл бұрын
Steve, the answer is zero. Engineered floor truss tied together with a 1x3 to transfer deflection load from 1 truss to the adjacent trusses will do nothing to help minimize any deflection in your flooring above. I'm a fan of Jeff and his videos, but his claim here is incredibly weak.
@VTKingdomsawing
@VTKingdomsawing 9 ай бұрын
I have a 100 year old colonial with 9 foot ceilings. Lowering them with 2x4's and then strapping and adding batts for sound and CC before drywall. Overhead mud, tape and sanding super sucks, tho!
@Mrdubomb
@Mrdubomb 2 жыл бұрын
Another benefit to strapping is that it will level out the ceiling if the joists are not perfectly level.
@tcandle695
@tcandle695 9 ай бұрын
What size is the straping lumber? What nail size to use? Thanks.
@GregB-uk3in
@GregB-uk3in Жыл бұрын
Hi Jeff, I have a new house I just finished my strapping. Was I supposed to put a vapor barrier up?
@davidp6839
@davidp6839 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed it, but any issue with the sheetrock hanging on strapping attached by just a single nail 16" apart? Presumably not, but seems iffy. Wouldn't you want to use screws at the very least? Using 1/2" sheetrock?
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY 2 жыл бұрын
I have 1 nail every 16" on center with this application. that is 32 nails holding up 1 sheet of drywall that weighs less than 40lbs. when is the last time you pulled apart something with 32 nails. usually 4 nails is enough to require serious energy to tear apart. Cheers!
@davidp6839
@davidp6839 2 жыл бұрын
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Great to hear no longterm issues have been observed, thanks
@mobiledevto
@mobiledevto 2 ай бұрын
what about a garage ceiling? still need to strap? or can I just screw OSB to trusses?
@Lkgukg1
@Lkgukg1 Жыл бұрын
Without your videos, I wont get the professional suggestions to build my basement. Quick question - I use construction screws for my strapping, and the screw heads are drilled a bit inside so that the head does not show up outside, will it still give enough strength to hold the drywall or should I leave the screws projecting outside, how much deep can I screw them while strapping ceiling ?
@Elsa9999.9
@Elsa9999.9 11 ай бұрын
I was already ripping my strapping cause i thought it would be worse for drywall. Now, i know better! 😂 thanks👍
@ebbnyc
@ebbnyc 8 ай бұрын
What size/type nails are being used here? Thanks.
@Tattooclownfish71
@Tattooclownfish71 Жыл бұрын
Hello I hope you respond or someone else does am doing to strap the ceiling which is great question I didn’t see any straggling on the ceiling so I start on one side and work my way into the center ? Or should I just put drywall all the same way ??? A lot of help needed for one loaded question please please asap thank you I don’t know nothing about drywall and did my kitchen and one wall not sure I did it right drywall is super hard doing it allll alone too I got way in over my head I think 🤔 😂😂😂
@NorthernChev
@NorthernChev 2 жыл бұрын
Good for new construction and modern homes. But there’s so many of us older houses with limited height basement ceilings.
@garusbooth
@garusbooth 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I am wondering what nail type is recommended for this application?
@CBernie4
@CBernie4 5 ай бұрын
Find your channel very helpful. Thank you. Why on your sound proofing vid from 2 years ago looks like 32” on Center strapping. Can you do whatever works?
@connerhead126
@connerhead126 Жыл бұрын
What sized nails and wood were used? Thanks
@sherazwilliam1358
@sherazwilliam1358 Жыл бұрын
this would be ideal for a 9 foot or higher ceiling I guessing? With 8 foot ceiling-strapin-then two 5/8 drywall for soundproofing might bring that ceiling down..any ideas?
@DanielHBuchmann
@DanielHBuchmann Жыл бұрын
So happy I happened upon your channel.
@justsomeguy6133
@justsomeguy6133 11 ай бұрын
Should you use longer drywall screws at least over the area where it crosses the joist to add extra strength?
@markmartin7384
@markmartin7384 4 ай бұрын
In this video, what direction does the drywall run after all this strapping? Still perpendicular to joists?
@bookoobeans
@bookoobeans 3 ай бұрын
Drywall perpendicular to strapping.
@gooseboy73
@gooseboy73 9 ай бұрын
Now that extra height has been added between the ceiling and floor above won’t you now have to add more insulation?
@davel4708
@davel4708 2 жыл бұрын
You use the battens to straighten the ceiling as well. Also is there a nail shortage in the United States? I'd generally put more than one nail in haha!
@NickSanders-wt3id
@NickSanders-wt3id Жыл бұрын
If am using 4.5 x 8 drywall panels, do you still want use a spacing of 16inches on center or would you wan to 18 inches on center?
@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@HomeRenoVisionDIY Жыл бұрын
keep it at 16. so much better to help avoid nail pops .Cheers! install horizontal. Cheers less taping.
@NickSanders-wt3id
@NickSanders-wt3id Жыл бұрын
Thank you, also appreciate the quick reply!
@88jpen
@88jpen Жыл бұрын
so if I am planning an addition over my garage, and I am currently planning on installing drywall to my garage ceiling, should I add strapping prior to installing the drywall ceiling?
@jvburnes
@jvburnes Жыл бұрын
Can you use Resilient Channel as strapping? I'm finishing up my walls with channel in my basement home theater build. I even strapped the front wall for a flat projection surface. I've already run speaker and lighting wire, but I was going to run channel for additional sound proofing and to hold the rockwool safe-n-sound batting. No RC means I get the maximum height. RC means I lose 1/2 inch in the ceiling when my ceiling is already height challenged. Adding RC and strapping would lose slightly over an inch and I can't really afford that for my ATMOS ceiling speakers.
@redstingraycorvette
@redstingraycorvette 2 жыл бұрын
I use the same system when I install tongue and groove pine
@9ijnht5rdx
@9ijnht5rdx 10 күн бұрын
Strapping may not stop deflection if strapping flexes and joist will stick out both sides also.
@hatcheryman9951
@hatcheryman9951 2 жыл бұрын
What type and brand nailer are you using - thanks
@kodybryantmusic797
@kodybryantmusic797 Жыл бұрын
would resilient channel take the place of the strapping if building a music studio? or would we strap, then channel the other way, then drywall? I would love if you answered this quickly, I'm trying to source for my home that should be done April 24! Thanks
@miked5106
@miked5106 3 ай бұрын
is it code to run wiring btwn the straps without conduit?
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