Why You Should Ditch Your Pager (Hezbollah Operative Edition) || Peter Zeihan

[@guydreamr]

Operation Grim Beeper.

[@Frankenspank67]

Operation Pager Rager

[@The_Foil]

That killed me😂

[@JakobIlar]

Top kek, sir!

[@michaela7759]

Made me spit diet Coke over the phone😂😂😂😂

[@MisterWaldo]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Myrune1]

While Israel hasn't outright condemned the attacks, they are offering free replacement pagers and FRS radios to those affected.

[@maverick7291]

Fool them once...😂

[@TheMightyMurse1917]

😂😂😂

[@MisterWaldo]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nutmegnutter7234]

😭 😭😭

[@priest0701]

I see what you did there, good sir.

[@davidschultz233]

In response to the legality of this attack. While it might break international laws; one thing I want to correct is that these pagers did not use any kind of public network. They were not using cell towers. Hezb purchased this particular model because it uses UHF encrypted transmission. Why? Because UHF has very long range and bypasses public networks. You just need to setup the private network, put some towers around the country, and whalla. You have your own private pager network which is far more difficult to hack than a public network. Another correction. The manufacturing of the pagers was not the original manufacturer (Gold Apollo) in Taiwan and it was also not the shell company in Budapest. The OEM licensed the design to a 3rd party to the Hungarian reseller. Of course, it was Israel who obtained the designs, built the pagers, made their own modifications, and then used the shell company to sell them to Hezb at a fantastic price.

[@bloodgout]

Just a correction: it’s voila not walla

[@shtroizn]

Interesting observations.

[@Xharel]

Thanks for that info

[@bessx]

The Statute of the International Criminal Court: “intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives,” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts. Since these were encrypted pagers on a private military network, the attack targeted military equipment (valid military objectives), not civilian devices. In international law terms, the pager operation is a classic act of sabotage, which is legal under IHL.

[@guydreamr]

So basically, friendly neighborhood dealer Isra al-Mossad said, "have I got a deal for you."

[@JinKee]

The guy who bought the pagers for Hezbollah must be having an interesting day at the office.

[@viti8347]

He's ordering new mobile phones. Same supplier?.

[@chuckb7403]

Doubt he made it to the office

[@oatnoid]

Doubt he hung around for the festivities.

[@bekincai]

the Taiwanese manufacturer is pretty pissed. I'm sure they would like to sue. maybe they can

[@milospavlovic7520]

​@@bekincaiThe reseller is the company that mostly exists only on paper, no tangible assets that could be jeopardized by the lawsuit, so nothing prevents them from just bankrupting this company and setting up a new one

[@carlgarrett5142]

Brings a whole new meaning to the old phrase, "My pager's blowing up."

[@zipperpillow]

Wow. Didn't see that one coming, Captin Obvious. Thanks for playing.

[@Western-imperalism]

​@@zipperpillowcry abdul

[@LizardSpork]

If this had happened in an episode of an Netflix shows, I'd be like "na, that's ridiculous. You can't just place explosives in the batteries of thousands of devices, somebody would have noticed something." Guess I got schooled...

[@dougdupont6134]

I agree, it seems like unbelievable movie stuff. For everyone to just shrug their shoulders about where these papers came from and how they got in the hands of so many of just the right people. For none of them to go off prematurely. For so many of them to actually explode simultaneously. And no one noticed? Pretty crazy.

[@manolios]

i'm guessing that the argument "somebody would have noticed something." is a dated one.... Money shut people's mouths, everything is tracked, everything is threatened if need be. So they managed somehow, (i know it is still impressive) to bypass security. But not so much like a Netflix show.

[@frantsel5711]

This is extremely hard to notice if they are all prepared like that. We are talking grams of explosives here. Also that israel would take the risk to potentially wound thousands, what actually happened kollaterally.

[@dandankovsky7968]

Politics is the science of possible and Israel has always been adept at politics and knowing the limits of what it can do.

[@DecemberNames]

for realz dog

[@peterlast3200]

Brings a whole new meaning to " your pagers going off"

[@chissstardestroyer]

Yeah, their pagers exploded!

[@jyehoward1494]

😂

[@sway696]

Quit blowing up my pager!

[@chissstardestroyer]

@@jyehoward1494 Yeah!

[@chissstardestroyer]

@@sway696 Gives a whole new meaning to "Quit BLOWING UP my Pager!" alright.

[@mcpheonixx]

Setting aside the horror of war and the politics, this Op is brilliant. The sheer cheek of setting something like this up is astounding. Now all electronic devices are suspect and I can't imagine what that does to logistics, its gotta be pure chaos in the ranks. Now they have to spend money to replace communication infrastructure and spend the effort to make sure the replacements are clean. Astounding really!

[@cragnamorra]

Not to mention the most intangible but worrisome (to them) problem...re-establishing confidence throughout their ranks that the comms/logistics gear and processes are secure and safe. That whole organization is, quite understandably, going to be really skittish for quite a while into the future. They'll probably overreact internally, with lots of draconian responses...all of which will make them less efficient, less nimble, etc, as an organization. I perceive that was probably the point of the second follow-up walkie-talkie thing: "it's not just a one-off with pagers only, guys. Hmm, what could be next?"

[@williamdavis2054]

Plus which, Israeli intelligence almost certainly gained a great deal of information from this op. At minimum they will be able to identify many if not most of the victims of the op just by monitoring hospitals, but it's quite possible that they also gathered intel on geographic locations and on communication patterns between the devices. It could even be that that information-gathering was the primary goal and that the explosions were just a side "benefit." Also, exploding the walkies the day after the blowing up the pagers has to be in the Insane Flex Hall of Fame.

[@Nutsboss]

Its a War Crime! hope that explains it! Mankind tends to create horrors beyond our comprehension when the world will not respond strictly to their war crimes.

[@Rojomanzana438]

​@@Nutsboss You are probably one of the people who might've called the actions of the SAS during WWII "war crimes"

[@hyhhy]

> Now all electronic devices are suspect If they come from a US vassal such as Taiwan, definitely. This should serve as a wake-up call to all governments and organizations around the world that are interested in strategic sovereignty: do not buy critically important technology from the US vassal network.

[@daveoatway6126]

Modifying the pagers to react to a specific signal is much more complicated than just putting an explosive into the pager. At the least, the software must have been hacked, and probably the hardware board to include identifying the trigger signal, then initiating the explosion. I suspect they actually substituted a new board into the pagers that were modified in advance. Or the pagers were actually "manufactured" by Mossad to their specifications. Brilliant engineering and intelligence work!

[@JessSimpson1313]

Sandboxx did a report on this and said the same thing. A news agency looked up the Hungary company and it was just some random house and the Taiwan company said the Hungary company (house) bought a license from them, but did all their own manufacturing. So yeah they built these up themselves.

[@kolobcreek]

I would expect less survivors if Mossad was involved. Has anyone taken credit? Im sure the survivors will have a better opinion of Israel. Why would Mossad just mame terrorists? Too many people want the naritive to be true. I have many doubts. Less things need to go wrong with hardware than needed to go right for Israel to pull this off.

[@davidsawyer1599]

"Brilliant......" My thoughts exactly.

[@eelswamp]

I have my doubts too. It seems to fictional.​@@kolobcreek

[@Will-xk4nm]

@@kolobcreek So you think random explosions all happened at once AND were limited to pagers purchased by Hezbullah? 3000 coincident explosions don't happen by accident.

[@ChrisGerow]

Reminded of an old Irish curse: May those who love us, love us; And for those who don't love us, May God turn their hearts; And if He doesn't turn their hearts, May He turn their ankles, So we will know them by their limping. Old Irish Curse

[@ryansauchuk7290]

Hezbollah shoudnt have done their shopping at Crazy Ismaels discount electronics

[@JohnJaneson]

Also Definitely-Not-Mossad Emporium.

[@TomTomicMic]

It was the notorious Russian agent Ivan Dropabollockoff's explosive communication deals store!?!

[@PandaPanda-ud4ne]

They didn't have alternatives. Sucks to be a terrorist organization.

[@lostcauselancer333]

They’re switching their supplier to Levi Goldbraumstein’s House of Pagers.

[@nickhosford7801]

😂😂😂

[@dad_jokes_4ever226]

Phew ! I just got rid of my pager ....... in 1995

[@slimjim2584]

They were using them to avoid being located by geolocating systems built into more modern comms. Not saying right or wrong, but that is why.

[@roland20002000]

That was a close shave. If you'd hung on to it for another 30 years, your hand would now be another statistic

[@Brent-z2s]

Do I have to get rid of my 8 track tapes and my members only jackets.

[@mrfrisky6501]

😂😂

[@ronagoodwell2709]

Not a moment too soon!

[@Chameleox]

“Drunk as hell but no throwin’ up/ halfway home and my pager still blowin’ up.” -Ice Cube

[@ElgrandeRick810817]

Yes the great poet I. Cube foretold this decades before it happened. 👌

[@dongately2817]

Even saw the lights on the Goodyear Blimp and they read…..

[@mariusbleek]

@@dongately2817 ICE CUBES A PIMP

[@westingband]

Ice cube’s a peeemp

[@mabusestestament]

“Go ninja, go ninja, go!” -Vanilla Ice

[@apemancommeth8087]

Gotta admit I had to clap on this one!

[@Robert-cd5zr]

It doesn't get more discriminant than this

[@christinaapplesauce2459]

Operation nutcracker.

[@jayteegamble]

From The Liver To The Knee

[@Milk-rn5uq]

@@jayteegamble😂😂

[@preetjitsingh328]

That would be a really good/bad black comedy gold

[@VTh-f5x]

​@@jayteegamble😂😂😂

[@FGBFGB-vt7tc]

Guess those 72 Virgins will get sorely dissapointed...

[@harleydavo1099]

They will be nervous about a tin can and string .

[@JohnJaneson]

😂

[@billd9667]

You can’t free your homing pigeons. They keep coming back

[@Mehwhatevr]

this makes me nervous. Given the complexity of supply chains, and that some assembly is required in countries we aren't on the best terms with, what's to stop one of them from doing something like that to us...

[@mduckernz]

Surprise! Det-cord!

[@empoweryou1]

@@Mehwhatevr Great question. I'd would say, our potential response to an event like this.

[@ColbyAzimuth]

It's the new modern form of communication. Smoke signals.

[@robertkohler4173]

What Peter failed to comment about. Hezbollah is now in a situation where it has lost almost all of its electronic communication ability. They are back to land line phones ( such as the network may exist) and runners for anything tactical or operational.

[@chrisgrant7026]

"...runners for anything tactical or operational." Next on the list, Motorcycles !!!

[@_elix22]

Nice explanation , Hezbollah was using those pagers on a closed military encrypted communication network , it was not a civilian network

[@aircvr4175]

Even then, civilian targets like oil tankers delivering oil have been legally sunk since WW1

[@garykinard7553]

This is a "WOW" moment.

[@KimGameDev]

The WOW signal got a new meaning 😂😂🤣🤣

[@shodanxx]

Yes, wow, humans are really horrible.

[@HR-op2cq]

​@@MEKIDAME Cruel, is the definition of a certain kind of people mostly in the ME.. This people produce the most trrsts in the world.. And it ain't the js

[@nuam9906]

Cry me a river hamas sympathizer​@@MEKIDAME

[@Padoinky]

Correction - this was a very “POW” moment?

[@TheDWZemke]

Last time I use a coupon on buying a pager. " 50% off for Hezbollah group rate coupon". Sorry should not make fun of this issues but can not help myself. Have a great day.

[@wilfdarr]

No apologies! People should know not to get a pager from a terrorist organization! Also, from what I understand, these were not on a public network, not the ones your wife can use to remind you to pick up apples on the way home from work: rather these are the kind the fire department uses to call their forces to action, so the people wearing these were absolutely indefensible people. Go ahead and laugh: some people deserve to be laughed at.

[@oveidasinclair982]

Looks like Mossad earned their chutzpah badges this week.

[@sensorycircuits1338]

The people the Mossad killed on Oct 7 are still dead.

[@DivoGo]

You can say that again!!!!

[@letXeqX]

Haniyeh was good too. If I recall correctly, years ago you used to write some fine commentary on jpost.

[@andrewdewit4711]

Good point: the Israeli security services have identified Hezbollah operatives by observing who got injured.

[@Lucas-hb1uq]

Yeah, real big brain math there. I guess that 10 year old girl was an agent too

[@gilmaman7682]

@@Lucas-hb1uqher father was. It’s a tragedy, no one should deny that. But every mission has a ratio of acceptable civilian casualties.

[@LoganChristianson]

@@Lucas-hb1uq I wonder how many 10 year old girls died in the bombing campaigns of WWII? They're at war. Obviously it's a tragedy when innocent bystanders get hurt or killed. But it really can't be helped when the enemy hides behind them.

[@zulubeatz1]

@@LoganChristianson My Mom was born in a Bomb Shelter. This operation probably hit less civilians than any in history.

[@Lucas-hb1uq]

@@gilmaman7682 This wasn't a mission, this was a blind, indiscriminate attack reminiscent of what you'd see from ISIS or Al Qaeda. This was not a calculated military mission, this was straight up a war crime.

[@davetekannon]

Well done, Peter. Also, because a high-level Iranian's pager blew up, we know now without a doubt that Iran is a major player in the Hezbollah war against Israel. The shock waves are going to continue vibrating from the audacious attack of pagers and walky talkies and what we know for sure is that this is a game changer in the middle east. I believe it is clearly the straw that broke the camel's back in Israel's war with Hezbollah and Iran.

[@manifold1476]

So, "the camel's back" (in Israel's war with Hezbollah and Iran) *HAS BEEN BROKEN?* Is that what you're saying???

[@davetekannon]

@@manifold1476 GGGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. I am not a geo-political mastermind like Peter Zeihan, but what I think has happened is that the flood-gates are open for enlarging the conflict between Israel and its adversaries.

[@-Belshazzar-]

you really needed that to happen to know that? the amount of evidence of iran meddling in Lebanon internal affairs, supplying hizballa with weapons training and the constant travel of iranian officials to Lebanon and Syria is astounding and this is well known for years! the only reason this might surprise you is because most western media is biased against israel and will always report it with all the important facts omitted leaving israel looking like the big bad wolf

[@TheLastEmperorXiXinPig]

HAZ-NO-BALLS-AH is now in shatters. And it will only get worse.

[@KimGameDev]

😂😂🤣🤣

[@mrkelly1663]

That's a good one!😂

[@lizardking3979]

😂 oh dear, ahahahahah😂

[@jeckjeck3119]

Let's hope is wont' show a mere sea.

[@terryword7646]

You really have a sense of humor

[@YG-kk4ey]

Exactly why is it against international law again? Did the US attacking Al-Qaeda in Pakistan also go against international law? When someone has an active war against you, especially a terrorist organization, the legal question is if you reasonably protect citizens. From 4000 hits only 5-10 citizens were hurt. That's 400:1. No urban military operation in history has achieved those odds.

[@mennovanlavieren3885]

As soon as a civilian picks up arms he is a combatant and civilian legal protection no longer applies. It is hard to prove that for every individual, but the operation was targeted at combatants and was very selective to not hurt civilians. Also for buildings and other infrastructure. As soon as it it used for military purposes it is no longer civilian and can be legally attacked. Personally I think the selectiveness makes this legal since the pagers were only distributed among members of a terr*!st organization and thus were combatants.

[@corey3788]

13 dead, 1000 wounded

[@nicklane9032]

because they blew up and killed a 9 year old girl?

[@ct4649]

at face value it sounds like a Seinfeld episode where Kramer gets George a cheap pager. Oh the shenanigans JERRY!

[@Freedom-Fries]

George dialed the wrong number and set off the explosions. "You ordered the anchovies! Never order the anchovies!"

[@timadamson3378]

I bet the Soup Nazi is somehow involved. or muffin tops.

[@itachiofthesharingan67]

Imagine the psychological damage from this - they wouldn't even trust a light bulb after it.

[@JohnJaneson]

@@itachiofthesharingan67 it is very logical to suspect lightbulbs after this. Although, it is possible to put a device of very similar effect inside candle wicks, using a series of chemicals, unseen from the outside of the unlit candle.

[@Brent-z2s]

Guitar picks next.

[@Jackmackrel]

thats why its called terrorism

[@Brent-z2s]

Those where work related accidents.

[@eichelbergergary]

this was brilliant. this was ballsy. gotta respect that they pulled this off. the shock value is immeasurable.

[@rcchin7897]

Definitely ballsy. Plenty of shock value to the immeasurables. :D

[@sal78sal]

@@rcchin7897 is it as ballsy as offering a people a free train ride to their new home and then giving them a shower? lots of devious plans have been devised over the years.

[@JJSdad766]

absolutely brilliant!

[@bradhunt9518]

They have to use flags now.

[@rtqii]

Smoke signals are not too difficult to manage either. And flares.

[@HR-op2cq]

Yes, but some of the smoke signals are generated by Israel..

[@9userip0eSJD7]

#semaphoreFTW

[@alexandruraresdatcu]

How about Drums? Or are they only allowed in the jungle, they could call them Urban Jungle Drums.

[@NeauNurns]

Oh great! Now they're gonna have exploding flags.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

Pagers have also been used by drug-dealers and traffickers in the past.

[@robsrockinout]

The Wire. 😂

[@politicallyunreliable4985]

​@@robsrockinout reality

[@matt9897]

Computers and phones too. 😮 wild

[@User-54631]

And drs

[@terryword7646]

No tiki no wash e

[@stevenburton7622]

Peter, your conclusion that this attack was in violation of international law is ill informed. Firstly, the pager network was not operated by any civilian authority but rather by Hezbollah themselves. However, this is a moot point anyway as you have the principles governing the legal use of force completely wrong. The principles that actually apply (from Article 51.3 of Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions) are Distinction, Proportionality, and Military Necessity. There is nothing in the Protocol that precludes a belligerent from using civilian networks, using civilian devices, nor attacking in civilian areas. If this were true, no military would have ever been allowed to sabotage a cargo train with stick of dynamite, for example, which is obviously absurd. To the contrary, Israel's attack (assuming it was them who attacked) clearly met all three obligations: Distinction - The attacks were carried out exclusively using encrypted electronic devices ordered by and distributed specifically to Hezbollah operatives. Proportionality - Using small explosive charges in devices almost universally held closely to the bodies of legitimate targets limited the potential for collateral damage to innocent civilians. Note that Proportionality in this context refers to limiting the number innocents harmed in relation to the military value of the target. It does not precluding inadvertently harming innocent civilians to the point where there is zero collateral damage. Military Necessity - After Hezbollah fired thousands of missiles at Israel since Oct 7th and continues to do so and publically states that their goal is the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews, the military necessity of containing them or eliminating them is obvious. You should really revisit your assertion in light of these fact.

[@federiquek1025]

Underrated comment

[@corpsman]

genuine question i would be interested to read - why dont you apply the urgency and understanding of international law to Israel as a state, and that as the primary issue?

[@portaltwo]

Agree completely! 💯 Peter?

[@stevenburton7622]

@@corpsman I do.

[@joelobryan1212]

Hezbollah has fired hundreds of rockets and drone attacks into Israel for the past 6 weeks. Israel has as typical responded with IAF attacks on missile and rocket launch locations. This targeted pager exploit directly at Hezbollah leadership is entirely lawful under Internationally accepted LOAC.

[@v1e1r1g1e1]

I wonder.. how many UN staff members had their pagers blow up recently?

[@andrewkathe3471]

I don’t know but a bunch were bombed by the IDF in humanitarian safe zones designated by the IDF along with numerous women and children.

[@ScentlessSun]

@@andrewkathe3471That’s probably because Hamas thought it could stay in safe zones and use civilians as human shields! Thats a war crime. That’s the exact reason it’s a war crime. Civilians get killed. They were coordinating attacks against Israeli troops from these safe zones. They are in a war. You can’t call timeout, go into a safe zone and coordinate attacks behind human shields and expect no one to take you out.

[@el_naif]

@@andrewkathe3471 Do you mean the same UN employees who kidnapped the body of Jonathan Samerano into Gaza for ransom?

[@fatalexception1269]

​@@andrewkathe3471War is hell. Just remember, there were no bombs being dropped on Gaza on October 6th.

[@ilikehardplay]

The Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon lost one eye and had the other damaged when his pager blew up. Imagine that....

[@ZionOrange]

The pagers were specific delivery for Hezbollah, people need to stop spreading alarmist theories.

[@Dr_Jeff888]

Pinpoint justice as asked for by the international community 🎉

[@nicklane9032]

the 9 year old girl was a terrorist?

[@chrisc2671]

They were not made in Taiwan. The latest I’ve heard is that a Taiwanese company sold its branding rights to the manufacturer but didn’t have anything to do with the manufacturing. The company “making them” is some kind of shell company from Hungary but really they might not have made them.

[@rtqii]

Hungary denies making them, and the woman who set up the shell company said she knows nothing about manufacturing, she was just a middle person.

[@Nexus974]

I’m hearing this morning that the Israelis themselves manufactured the pagers.

[@jkbrown5496]

Yeah, otherwise how do you crack open ruggedized, waterproof devices and leave no trace on thousands of them. And I suspect they used something other than explosives, which leave residue on the outside that is detectable, to create the over-pressurization of the sealed case causing it to burst "explosively". Something common.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@meiko_kaji Pletny of kompanies do that.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@jkbrown5496 They made identikal pagers, but with extra surprise;) Then intercepted the shiperment, and switched out the originals. It's very simple.

[@spacedolfinproductions2331]

The new Exploding Pagers As A Service subscription from Amazon looks lit

[@visionaryremodelsllc2901]

Good one!

[@Stan-b3v]

The observers at the hospitals was one of my first thoughts about this as well. Many people are now almost certainly newly identified targets.

[@nyu3492]

This batch of pagers was not made in Taiwan. It was probably made in Hungary or even directly in Israel. The Taiwanese company just licensed their brand to the shady Hungarian distribution company.

[@bnaZan6550]

According to Hungary's prime minister the pagers were never in Hungary and they aere just mediators

[@michaelpettersson4919]

​@@bnaZan6550Jokes akin to "Mossad Electronics" are upcoming meme material now.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@bnaZan6550 nothing to see here.... move along...

[@dbencic]

Hungry is not in bed with those sparking the proxy wars. Taiwan is. Interesting play.

[@rtqii]

@@bnaZan6550 They talked to the woman who ran the front company. She admitted she was just a middle person and she had nothing to do with the manufacture of the devices.

[@kroee]

2:40 - these are not civilian devices. They're military communicators administered by Hizbollah to their operatives

[@XGD5layer]

Civilian drones can be used militarily, it doesn't really change their classification

[@DerajDoh]

​@@XGD5layer This

[@wicksee]

@@XGD5layer yes it does

[@bobsansmal]

Any device used by the military is a military device. Kinda like any device owned by me is "my device".

[@j0shj0shj0sh]

There is nothing military about them. They are pagers. The same simple devices that hospitals give to their workers. Hezbollah is also a political party. Not everyone in Hezbollah is a soldier. Was the the 10 year old girl who got her face blown off a soldier? The people in the fruit and vege market who happened to be standing next to a bomb without knowing it? The family crossing the street in front of a vehicle that has lost control because the driver has just been blown up?

[@mikefox1932]

My new VHS tapes seems heavy.......

[@Drinkingyoursaltytearsallah]

don't get on your space hopper.

[@doujinflip]

Do they have a weird greasy feel to them too?

[@mikefox1932]

@@doujinflip Yeah and a weird smell too

[@Brent-z2s]

Beta max is safer.

[@awax43]

Much better to have a Jew as a friend than an enemy.

[@vaakdemandante8772]

The thing is Jews are friends to nobody - they are like Chinese in this regard. Just look how badly they treat the US, attacking their soldiers etc. They can and will feign friendship if necessary but will always treat you as a potential target for exploitation.

[@angusabbott5615]

When terrorists are attacked everyone wants to quote international law and see the terrorists as victims, except the people who were targeted by the terrorists that is

[@thepogue]

I noticed that little comment as well.....

[@dcc70]

This begs the question, if Israeli intelligence is so good that they can tell by the pager number who is a terrorist, how in the world did they miss the October 7th attack?

[@stephenpepper1790]

You expect unbiased opinions from Peter? He knows a lot and I still watch him to stay informed, but his opinions are something I can love without

[@maverick7291]

Only demcorat leftists like Peter here

[@Minerals333]

@@stephenpepper1790what has that got to do with the original comment?

[@thebradmarkschannel957]

Next you'll be telling me to leave my Abacus at home. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CALCULATE.

[@JohnJaneson]

😂

[@pbinnj3250]

Beware of the Abacus. Time to move to a slide rule.

[@terryword7646]

By praying to God

[@SignalCorps1]

Use your slide rule

[@aliasalias8433]

Vielleicht wäre es klüger, die Israelis einfach in Ruhe zu lassen.

[@XGD5layer]

They're wounded, so I doubt they'll leave the others in the region alone even if nothing was done.

[@gagamba9198]

Wisdom is very rare amongst that group.

[@tahall5646]

Gute Idee.

[@terryword7646]

Words of wisdom

[@ocko8011]

"Click, click, boom!"

[@ryansauchuk7290]

Im coming down on the stereo hear me on the radio

[@terryword7646]

That big old black cloud is coming down think iam knocking on heavens door knock knock knocking on heavens door

[@dalegoesglobal4606]

This video will be a good litmus test for how accurate Peter is. Historically, he has always sounded good and he is a great speaker. But tbh a lot of what he says ends up not panning out or being inaccurate. Don’t know how I feel because he really is entertaining lol

[@ninemimesleft]

His takes are a perfect encapsulation of the establishment perspective on a situation. It's why he's so successful and when viewed in that way he has a lot of value. It goes to show in this era of the US it doesn't pay to be accurate, it pays to toe the line.

[@vaakdemandante8772]

yeah, certainly the narration that the Israelis missed Gaza is false - it's already known they not only did not miss it, but welcomed it and even helped. It was a great pretext for cleansing of Gaza, so they stood by, quelled any early warning sings that were coming from the military analysts and then acted surprised. Sadly Peter i.e. establishment legitimizes that story, but it only goes so far - as soon as the Zionist state falls all of it will unravel.

[@dalegoesglobal4606]

@@ninemimesleft I don’t like how he never goes back and addresses previous videos. He posts his videos speaking as if he is never wrong and sounds so confident. But then there’s no follow up and it’s just on to the next video 😂

[@rcchin7897]

PZ *did* say that Hez wouldn’t get involved b/c of the Lebanon economy. He’s not the only source of info, and no source should be seen as unbiased, etc. etc.

[@chrisgrant7026]

I've felt exactly thee same way for quite a while now. The fast and loose approach to interpretations of facts let alone just ignoring some while including others today resulted in me dropping the subscription because it all started to feel too much like a sucker play. He is charming as hell though.

[@adeladelgss8100]

Not civilians at all. Pagers were given to Hezbollah military members only. They don’t even use Lebanese communication net work….

[@perchte]

The most likely explanation as to the timing of this is that either one went up inadvertently or it was discoved by somebody (airport security, somebody replacing a bad battery, etc.) and they had to takeit or leavit now before every single one gets replaced.

[@Chrisklown]

Nyet. This is part of the Israel- Iran war

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Hezbollah apparently was getting members saying the pagers were sus

[@ninemimesleft]

@@Chrisklown It wouild've been infinitely more effective if this happened at the moment they sent their tanks across the border if they were planning a ground invasion, which it seems like they may be. Or if they did this right as they initiated a massive bombing campaign. Why waste the chaos this created? OPs theory makes a lot of sense and has been corroborated by a number of journalists. Not sure what this being part of an "Israel-Iran war" as you say has anything to do with the specific timing of the operation.

[@yaelthesnail]

No, it's not against international law. These pagers were intended for military use and were only in the hands of militants and personnel within a militant organization.

[@JOEDHIGGINS]

Yeah. I don't generally think that international law matters. It is never enforced, and is oxymorinc in nature. BUT I agree, this is probably not violative of international law. Is is definatly not violative of any portion of Hague or the Genevia Conventions that I am aware of, and it definitely comports with the Law of Armed Conflict.

[@YG-kk4ey]

Exactly. He got that wrong.

[@HDracer]

Maybe the UN should remind Hezbollah that they are in violation of.R. 1701.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@JOEDHIGGINS Genie Eba suggestions should only apply when 2 democracies are in konflict. Nowhere else.

[@DAntiprodukt]

International law is more than "a military target? ok bro go ham." People say some crazy shit to keep the world small, simple, and morally convenient for themselves.

[@JZsBFF]

The Americans in Vietnam and the Russians in Afghanistan contaminated the insurgents ammo supply with exploding rounds.

[@MrShyAlter]

Small but important correction: we're not talking about a "spat". Hezbolah has been shooting, unprovoked, missiles and rockets into israel since October 8, 2023, causing the evacuation of well over seventy thousand Israelis. This is not a spat. For all intent and purpose, they're at war with each other. Now it's a question of whether Israel will have no option but go all out to create, at the very least, a buffer zone between themselves and the Hezbolah, an Iran proxy, motivated by deep religious belief that Israel and Jews have no business having their own country.

[@itaitevet]

Facts. Peter Zaihan level of knowledge of the conflict is just embarrassing.

[@nicklane9032]

@e-bikesquared The hasbara is out in force today

[@bernardabinader]

Unprovoked 🤡

[@holyX]

​@@bernardabinader yea cope and seethe. Unprovoked.

[@SeanEustace-zk3mc]

Agreed

[@Tom-ot7ky]

Absolute genius

[@Michael-oz3dj]

And what did we learn from this? Don't piss off the Mossad.

[@absolootely2571]

So now they can no longer spy/listen in to Hezbollah's comms.

[@nighthawkviper6791]

America is cucked by a country with no relevant GDP, no military deterrence, and is the size of Rhode Island. 🤣 Meanwhile our actual economic peers, we treat with utter contempt and hostile military occupation while trying to Bush Sr. them 😅. The Murican people are long gone, so it looks like the oligarchs of the West have their Socialist Utopia they've been killing for. And it's as terrible as we all knew it would be.

[@zulubeatz1]

Just leave Israel alone but they never learn

[@sauliuspacekajus8840]

Just dont be a terrorist

[@justinjex1]

Just ask Jeffrey Epstein! 😮😮😮😮

[@hairy-dairyman]

Pagers are a brilliant method of attack. It's a one-way messaging system. If you're in possession of an issued pager, your party to the organisation.

[@bjrnhjortshjandersen1286]

But if you are a bus driver in traffic ?

[@hairy-dairyman]

@bjrnhjortshjandersen1286 a bus driver can be a prick too. I do feel sorry for the people on the bus. But this isn't a standard hamas is held too. Why should the people fighting them be.

[@SacClass650]

Not necessarily, moreover many civilians have been maimed, including children. It also violated protocol that Israel is a signatory of. You are unhinged.

[@omer_peleg]

​@@SacClass650 you are unhinged. This was probably the most targeted attack in the history of urban warfare. It specifically targeted communication equipment issued by a terrorist organization, Hezbollah, carried distinctly by people affiliated with it, and having a clear military purpose, mobilizing its operatives. This is a clear military objective, perfectly legal under any treaty of war (and Peter's hot take also got this one completely wrong in my view). Every urban warfare operation has collateral damage, true, but it doesn't get more targeted than this. It's actually amazing seeing these kind of responses, as this operation probably had the most minimal collateral damage in the history of urban military operations for its scale, the average op (certainly for any country in the world outside of Israel) that targets thousands of terror operatives embedded in a civilian population would have thousands (if not 10s of thousands) of civilian casualties.

[@chrisjackson1215]

@@SacClass650 Don't take this the wrong way, but who gives a shit? Yes, children are largely innocent, but calling people "civilians" in a Country like Lebanon (AKA a Country run by terrorism) is a sick joke. More often than not the "civilians" are supporting the terrorists (which, shocker, the bulk of people in Lebanon are doing as we speak). It's Hezbollahs fault; no war is won without civilians and children getting caught in the middle. You need a serious reality check if you think this is anything out of the oridinary, is unecessary, or is otherwise uncalled for. War isn't pretty. And in trying to make it a sanitary affair the only thing you do is prolong it, and with it the suffering and loss of life that will occur. If the mess that is the Middle East had been dealt with properly after WW2 (You know, back when people started trying to sanitize war) then this would be a non-issue today. It's not like this is Russia conquering and slaughtering entire villages in Ukraine just for personal gain, this is a Country defending itself from mindless killers.

[@rammul7801]

I watched the interviews with some doctors. Although there have sadly been some casualties among children (an 8 year old girl and an 11 year old boy lost their lives). Most injuries were young adult men. Mostly amputated fingers. One doctor said they removed 500 severely injured eyes. With reports of the Iranian ambassador losing an eye.

[@coloradomountainman8659]

Well, they were all told to keep an eye out for these pagers.

[@user-vr8zs3ei7n]

The crazy complexity of this operation is insane. A shipment of beeper and now walkie talkies were intercepted by Mossad and little bombs were installed in each one and put it back in the supply without anyone noticed. Very impressive.

[@manifold1476]

" . . . without anyone notic *ING.*

[@Brent-z2s]

I would never use plug valves on a manifold.

[@user-vr8zs3ei7n]

@manifold1476 sorry to offend you with my grammar. English is not my first language and was typing on my cell phone, on the toliet, at 5:45 in the morning 🙃

[@orin1971]

@@user-vr8zs3ei7n dropping a bomb?

[@user-vr8zs3ei7n]

@orin1971 I read your comment a few times, and I just got it. Now, I see what you did there 😂

[@josephdoiron8376]

This pager thing will be a good family guy skit in a few weeks or so.

[@Man_0f_Trenches]

Not necessarily a war crime since these were all Hezbollah operatives and therefore legitimate military targets.

[@stefano8936]

LOL and the 3000 injured?

[@davidbarnett9312]

An 8-year-old girl and 12-year-old boy legitimate military targets?

[@nandisaand5287]

Except for the medical personnel who were also carrying them. Oops. Also, there were several innocent bystanders killed/injured.

[@chuckmayper7549]

It's never a war crime the first time. Quack Bang! The Fat Electrician

[@Brent-z2s]

​@@davidbarnett9312 the Israelis didn't put the bombs in toys. Like the soviet's did.

[@lizardking3979]

Now Mossad really has a sense of humor 😂 I was laughing my balls off when I heard this news😂

[@drorjs]

They say some hizbloah members will never laugh their balls off after this.

[@waynemasters8673]

​@@drorjs😂 They are smart enough to know your gps from your comment. Dummy

[@hukphin740]

​@@drorjsbeat me to it

[@gooldii1]

@@drorjs

[@-Belshazzar-]

@@drorjs הרגת אותי 🤣

[@benfromgermany]

Excellent video and very thought-provoking.

[@swtexan6502]

Absolutely brilliant.....

[@markwilson2387]

Don’t call us; We’ll call you!

[@pbinnj3250]

1. The Taiwan company says they were manufactured in Hungary under license. Apparently they were not manufactured in Taiwan. May not matter to you, but you certainly understand why it matters to that company. 2. Using a civilian network in an attack is a violation of international law? So Hezbolah using a phone network, or a pager network to coordinate attacks is not a violation of international law, but using the same network to stop them is? Once again we see even the sophisticated analysts, you in this case, using a double standard so imbedded in western thinking, people don’t know they are doing it. That double standard is not acceptable, not at the U.N., not at the ICJ, and not in your hot takes.

[@justinokraski3796]

I bet you’re a genocide apologist too

[@frmrfr]

They are both against international law, for both Isreal and Hezbollah. However, considering 1 is internationally recognized as a terrorist organization and the other isn't, of course there are different expectations. Just because ISIS beheads someone live on TV doesn't mean it's "the same thing" if the US Military all of a sudden decides to also behead someone live on TV.

[@YG-kk4ey]

Exactly. He keeps getting fundamentals wrong

[@actionjksn]

Exactly, Peter Zeihan is full of shit. This was a completely legal attack against an enemy combatant, and it was done in a way that really minimizes civilian casualties. It is not possible to completely eliminate all civilian casualties though.

[@andrewbellinger6120]

Did not use a civilian network nor were they civilian devices. These were encrypted pagers that would only work on a privately controlled hezbollah radio network.

[@Alan-lv9rw]

The U.N. ordered Hezbollah out of Lebanon 20 years ago.

[@nightwatchman522]

Yeah, that was pretty slick. Some real James Bond shit right

[@holtcrowder]

THE NEW VANDIKE/GOTEE LOOKS GOOD ON YOU. 👍

[@IFRYRCE]

The subtitles saying "Hi everybody Peter Zion here" lmao

[@kkostadinof]

That's because the clown pronounces it that way - the H is not silent no matter how much he tries to hide that fact.

[@cdobrown6475]

Brilliant

[@cooper-lunayen1944]

That is why we have to make things ourselves! Especially something sensitive like pagers , walkie talkie etc. etc.!!

[@phoneticau]

Can make a pager out of generic bits from ham radio tinker bits the prob it will be 10 times the size and need a very large battery

[@JohnJaneson]

Impossible today. Most countries cannot produce chips or basic IC alone.

[@ninemimesleft]

That moment when you realize nearly all our electronics are made in the nation that is our greatest geopolitical adversary.

[@JohnJaneson]

@@ninemimesleft but the chips are made by our side. Oh wait, both us and them are holding each other by the neck, eh. 🤔 Well well.

[@sadjaxx]

Who in the US still uses a pager?

[@1czechit1]

I am sorry for your loss Peter.

[@1czechit1]

@zeihanongeopolitics-s5p The last few days must have been very hard.

[@guest6398]

"From the river to the sea, they can no longer pee."

[@mbshaw1]

Opinions on how smart an attack this was will undoubtedly change if one of these devices goes off on a passenger aircraft. It would be interesting to know what security measures are now going to be introduced to ensure no such device makes its way onto a passenger aircraft. Turning the device off still allows the possibility of a small explosive device being transported on a passenger aircraft.

[@ErnieThornhill]

@mbshaw1: No new security measures are needed, since TSA and other transportation security organizations have already implemented the security measures to check commercial aircraft passengers and our luggage after Richard Reid's shoe bombs were discovered in Dec. 2001 and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's explosive underwear was discovered in Dec. 2009.

[@ErnieThornhill]

@mbshaw1: No new security measures are needed, since TSA and other transportation security organizations have already implemented the security measures to check commercial aircraft passengers and our luggage after Richard Reid's xplo sive shoes were discovered in Dec. 2001 and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's xplo sive underwear was discovered in Dec. 2009.

[@seahorse2]

Don't be silly. A pager would never receive a signal from that far. Neither would walkietalkie, so you are simply creating a non-existent event.

[@Freedom-Fries]

Israel seemingly got into the supply chain of those devices. Masterful spycraft

[@geneharrogate6911]

Israel exports electronic warfare systems. Lebanon exports cement. Nuff said..

[@conchfritters01]

Brings to mind the old AT&T slogan; reach out and touch someone

[@terryword7646]

China bought out IBM years ago

[@conchfritters01]

@@terryword7646 IBM is headquartered in New York, and their stock trades on the NYSE. I was talking about AT&T. Do you mean when IBM sold their money losing hardware division to Lenovo many years ago? Big Blue is very much still an American software company.

[@conchfritters01]

@@terryword7646 no they didn’t. IBM is publicly owned, traded on the NYSE, headquartered in New York. They sold their hardware business to Lenovo years ago, to focus on their software business that has better margins.

[@Steve-O_27]

Cheaping out always ends up costing you away more on the end 🤣🤣🤣

[@InglouriousBradsterd]

I do have a pager but I prefer CB radio and rotary telephones.

[@phuckpootube6231]

Carrier Pigeon or smoke signals is mine.

[@MyBelch]

Smoke signals, hopefully not from the burning corpse.

[@Brent-z2s]

Do I have to get rid of my 8 track tapes and members only jackets.

[@testthewest123]

I wonder what the non-muslim lebanese think about this whole thing. How happy are they about Hezbollah rule and do they want to change anything about it?

[@yoav116]

Why would civilians have military grade encrypted pagers? Real question, it seems to never be brought up. Also why wouldn't hezbo give out a list of all the civilians injured? It seems that they everything to gain by publishing it.

[@boldbaatardashdorj9389]

You are the best Mr. Zeihan

[@davemeeks8109]

You think the pagers were cool just wait until they use toilet paper. 😊

[@karpadnechmad]

For the record. Hizbula started firing rockets oct 8. And ever since then. After un resolution 1701

[@Stash186]

Great

[@mbshaw1]

Perhaps you should review the UN resolutions that Israel has breached and what Israel was doing to bring about those resolutions.

[@briangain9836]

Some of these comments are great .. And Thanks ..

[@Fogghorn_Legghorn]

Nice scenic background. A little different than many of your breathtaking, sweeping landscapes

[@NI-pi2ne]

There was also wind in the background. It was a video made at home.

[@Fogghorn_Legghorn]

@@NI-pi2ne Wow!

[@matt9897]

You don’t mention the 70,000 displaced Israelis that need to be returned home. This is a very serious issue internally.

[@ktrimberger]

🥱

[@kanatsizkanatli]

Are you bored of hearing the truth?

[@Downunder7]

The Taiwan company has never made those pagers, they sold the rights for that pager to a company in Hungry, from various sources this company has been proven to be a shell company and just today the company is no longer operational, my guess is a particular country in the Middle East posed as a manufacturing base in Hungry for these pagers and implanted the explosives inside the pagers during the initial production phase. This style of warfare is on par with a storyline you would expect to watch in a James Bond movie…..

[@matthewdevalle404]

Vodafone just got really mean with their delinquent customers.

[@andrewbellinger6120]

These were not "civilian" devices as Peter stated- they were a batch of encrypted pagers that only work on a private hezbollah controlled network. the general public could not walk into a cellular store and purchase one of these pagers, nor would they have worked on the pager networks available to the general public.

[@bigmikeisaman]

The most important weapon on the battlefield: communication.

[@timsnow2204]

Gotta love those jews. They take care of business.

[@phueal]

They're Israelis, rather than "jews". They may happen to be Jewish, but it's antisemitic to tar all jews with the same brush.

[@phoneticau]

@@phueal not all jews are terrorists but the state of Israel are terrorists

[@gr7725]

No, no we don't

[@ScentlessSun]

@@gr7725Yes you do

[@AdamCross-k7g]

@@gr7725 So…. You don’t like Jews?

[@edan513]

I wasn't aware that encrypted devices used bought for and used specifically by a military organization is considered civilian infrastructure.

[@user-ow6bq9mm4i]

no one brought up the fact that a terrorist organization freely buys stuff in Europe.

[@dwaynejones1555]

Not only the guy limping or loss of fingers, eyes, but the person next to them by affiliation.

[@bunshoft]

Wow. Peter, as usual, your analysis goes deeper. I hadn't thought about the secondary and tertiary implications of this already impressive op. Anyone with an exploding pager is Hezbollah... Also, the psychological implications of this attack are terrifying for Hezbollah. All technology is now suspect. Anyone who *wasn't* injured in the pager attack is now under suspicion of being an Israeli spy! Israel demonstrates, once again, that turnabout is fair play.

[@StefanManjakov]

This operation also brings to light many people connected to this terrorist organization.😮

[@michaelpettersson4919]

This mean there is a market for replacement pagers...

[@TomTomicMic]

I would imagine that the market has reached bottom for Pagers and Walkie Talkies for a while, Putin was lucky as he dropped his down the WC by accident beforehand and due to his "condition" he wasn't going to fish it out!?!

[@michaelpettersson4919]

@@TomTomicMic Well it was meant as big of a dark joke. Paranoia will hit hard for a while.

[@richarddixon8707]

Shenanigans, I call shenanigans. There's footage of an explosion upon a person in a grocery store. People less than 3' away were uninjured... isn't THAT THE DEFINITION OF "TARGETED"?

[@SacClass650]

Children were murdered, you're sick.

[@ostevoostevo1592]

@@SacClass650 How about the hundreds of Israeli kids killed by Hezbollah's rockets etc over the past few years? Sac...You're sick. Well done Mossad.

[@richarddixon8707]

@@SacClass650... their parents probably shouldn't have had terrorist pagers. Those parents were sick

[@SacClass650]

@@richarddixon8707 The pretense of having higher ethical standards has gone, I see. I appreciate your honesty.

[@richarddixon8707]

No pretense at all, I am a sinner among sinners. I keep my children far away from my pager.

[@Jonbenjon]

Hi Peter I had to spend almost 4 minutes sitting through KZbin ads before I could see your video. I don't know if you have any control over the ads that are presented along with your content, but you should know that this is happening. I appreciate your content, but if this keeps up I'm just going to bail out at the first ad like this I get stuck with. Thanks for your work. John

[@ColbyAzimuth]

Instead of clicking "Skip Ad" after a few seconds, I like to download the whole video before watching it on my computer privately, to avoid the youtube AI algorithm spying on my viewing activity. The downloaded video has no ads.