Why You Should NOT Switch to LUNA...Yet | Top Issues with UA Luna Recording System

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Universal Audio recently debuted its new software, the Luna Recording System. While there are some amazing features like super low latency monitoring, Neve Summing, and built-in tape emulation, there are some features that we use every day that have been left out. I analyze what Luna is missing in comparison to other DAWs like Pro Tools, Studio One, and Logic Pro X.
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[@Cyrusnotmiley]

Just watched this with my roommate because he was telling me about Rick Beato's channel. Had to show him all the knowledge you drop. Great video.

[@MCMAGIC.]

Great Points - I thought I was going crazy looking for all the basic EQs, Compressors & Tap Delays - besides BIP which i use all day in logic we need the right couch “slow down@ feature inside the fade zone - that is a MUST! ... but in the bright side my first Luna Mix sounds 🔥 THANKS WAVY

[@agfromdai.e3806]

Yoooo Magic waddup foo

[@nolanneal]

I absolutely love your energy!! The world smiles more with you in it! :) I’ve been mainly using LUNA for putting strings & MOOG on my songs with the free trials 🤓 There’s some things I dig about LUNA but way more that I can’t stand! It also crashes soooooo much on me and I have a super powerful computer. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Had me really stressed for a couple nights. Then I remembered I could be crippled or blind and I chilled out. ❤️

[@qhen794]

Great video Wavy! Been using Luna as well and have been running into the same issues. Awesome DAW but definitely needs more work. I am looking forward to the future updates.

[@leonardiacono4822]

That was a really fun excursion on Luna. Thanks for warning me. I’ll stay in Logic and just keep using my UAD PCI cards and TB3 Lynx Aurora interface. Rock solid.

[@searchdiver55]

"Dark side of the Luna" for the win.

[@MarkGarbettLlanigan]

but not the win-dows

[@JayFrederick]

nope. the authorization being tied to the login, ilok, and UA hardward is three strikes and out. thanks for letting us know.

[@georgegillen4639]

This is one of the best videos I've ever seen on many levels! Thumbs up! And every success!

[@luisbarahona6255]

Great video! Thanks for the insight I’m starting off in production and this really helped in what daw I will be using thanks man! Your awesome!

[@BeauStephenson]

For a v1, it's amazing. Right now I'm just tracking, AAF to Logic for editing, then AAF back to Luna for mixing. So far, I've finished 3 projects and it's been great.

[@cityraintunes]

Beau Stephenson Music Channel yeah I’m producing in Ableton and exporting to Luna for Mixing. I love it!!

[@loxpower]

Man, that was an instant subscribe... never reached that button more quickly! XD you're really funny and clearly know your stuff (without being pretentious, a big plus for me!).

[@joxer96]

Now this is the definition of constructive criticism. Honest and fair!

[@alexeysmirnovguitar]

Newcomer here on your channel. I’m mostly a live music guy, but I have nothing against any type of music. Man, great insight. Great sense of humor. Helpful video. Thank you!

[@Sellarmusic]

That's a pretty good list to start with. Thanks for covering this. I too had some issues trying to get it installed with passwords and ilok. To be honest, I almost said to hell with it right at the start. Also, I was pretty shocked when I found out that you have to buy a lot of the plugins that were demo'd as if they were included. No-one ever mentioned that at the NAMM rollout.

[@devote2256]

Super Super cool brother. Just getting into the UAT, LUNA, and Apollo world. Thanks for the up beat training and insight. Was completely helpful!

[@tavardo]

Great content, keep pushing, have been watching your content for a few months I always forgot to sub 😁. I subbed today, keep up the good work...😎😎😎

[@andrewvaldez7206]

People bad mouthing LUNA so far are not seeing the true potential of this software. I don't think this will overtake PRO TOOLS in tracking, or LOGIC and FRUITY LOOPS in production, but it's going to have its place in mixing. This DAW has probably the best overall sound I've heard from a DAW.

[@vonneandring497]

Love this. Helped in my decision to stay w/LPX -- and you're just darn likable!

[@adamrichards8252]

I love the feel and sound of LUNA, but for me i need, continuous scrolling, freeze tracks for plugins, VCA's, import session data, Bounce in place and a separate MIDI window

[@f8accompli238]

'Dark side of the luna' got you an automatic subscriber! Crafty!

[@waynewav]

😁😁

[@samsoffia]

HELLOW WAVY WAYNE!!! THNKX 4 ALL THE CONCEPTS! I FOLLOW YOU ANTENTO.

[@jasonstallworth]

Dude, thank you for putting this out there. I’ve been with Studio One since 2009 but for a moment, I was considering Luna with all the hype.

[@dannylharper6889]

Thanks for this review! Love dat Wavy Wayne!

[@TheBissco]

You nailed the big ones. But you acknowledged that they are still working on it, which is fair. My take, it's not ready for prime-time because ALL other DAWs are light years ahead in all sorts of ways. Once they start to catch up, and if they listen to the feedback, it will improve. Great vid. I hit thumbs up in the first 15 seconds!

[@metalgunforhire]

Very helpful, and thanks for keeping it positive! You rock, brother!

[@davidrange347]

Great Video especially the stuff you hit on been definitely shooting them feedback hope they fix in next update

[@SirJamalong]

Helpful and informative! Thanks Subbed

[@The_Absurdistt]

Man, Wavy, I bet you would be crazy successful in the comedic world... You just have a great personality and the "gift of gab." Just flappin my jaw... You rock.

[@pwrmac7600]

Thanks for the insight. No included plug ins is a deal breaker for me. I get that the interface comes with free plugins, BUT that is not nearly enough. PT comes with a good array of plugins to get you up and running out of the box. I can mix plenty of sessions with stock plugins alone with PT because most of my bases would be covered. I'll have to hold out and wait for it to develop a little more.

[@FreeKAzoiD8]

thanks bro, you helped me out a lot!

[@peterfedak9682]

Great vid, Wayne. I think Luna's target audience is those of us already using UA interfaces, and that assumes we probably already have some of the (not inexpensive) plugins. We may already have a Mac. We are used to the hardware tether. And if you can move the license from the iLok Cloud to our key, which we also probably have for other plugins, there's not much of a heavy lift. Now, yes, the external hardware (fader controller) support would be really nice. But along with the AAF export (super-simple bouncing of stems!), I think the door is left open for us to track in Luna with very low latency, then move from Luna to mix on another platform where controller compatibility varies. Also, there's a mix down function for AAC which is great. I just started using Luna and it's quirky, but remember Pro Tools 1? Neither do I - I'm not that old. As far as FREE DAWs go, it could definitely be worse.

[@chickencreekproductions]

Just found your channel and hung around for a while. Love your energy man! My dark side is that there’s currently no way to get rid of imported/recorded audio. It stays in the project regardless if it’s used or not. It’s also copied if you ”save as” making it impossible to make a ”clean” template based on the settings you’ve made that don’t contain x gb of garbage audio files. But!! I really like LUNA and the features implemeted so far are great. I totally agree with your MVP-thinking though and miss a whoooole lot of stuff from my go to DAW (cubase). In time it will be... a great fullblown DAW, or... a great way to track old-school-style. We’ll see 😀 At the moment, to mee, it’s a semi-great way to track stuff. Btw, UAD encourage to use the feedback within LUNA. It helps ’em prioritize what the users request (very MVP-style). I feedback a lot as I go along. For example I requested functionality for templates. I miss that too 😊 Great video, agree on pretty much all you have to say!

[@ridewavesproductions3515]

I love these videos! I do agree about the basic suite of plugins thing. I was just thinking how there were no basic plugins that came with the DAW. there are tons of free AU plugins online that you can get for now, its not an excuse but its a temporary fix. Not only it being V1 its also a V1 that was released 6-8 weeks early. so a lot of stuff that seems like a no brainer might have been included. Its definitely not ready for a complete switch over. but its good to learn the program from start so when its ready it won't be so difficult to learn

[@richy2496]

Awesome video really enjoy it. First problem I encounter is punching in MIDI in between measures. It clears out the whole measure instead of just punching in only at the spot where I punch in. Second is exporting separated tracks with insert effects on but pre-faded. This is very necessary to send your track for mixing because most time you don't want to render that fader level. And of course Freezing tracks. But lets give it time because I feel I have a lot of faith in this software. It looks so beautiful and smooth just not usable for me now.

[@Tailwheelr16]

Great video Wayne. Thanks.

[@CmrReviews]

how to export wav in luna

[@cunninghammanor]

Good stuff Wavy! I love your insight. I've been reviewing Luna as well, and it certainly needs a bit more to work for everybody. But it's a great start. Thanks for keeping it real.

[@waynewav]

💯💯

[@waynewav]

💯💯

[@AA-mo7pw]

I agree with everythign in this video as I was upset myself with expreienxijg these limitations first hand, but I guess this is why UAD restrain themselves from calling this a daw and consider the platform to be a recording system. Essentially, this is console 5.0 or something lol, because I feel as it just be beneficial to track with LUNA, and mix elsewhere; hence, why there is no mp3 bounce setting. Great video and I want to see the program progress with future updates!

[@johnnybermudez]

Appreciate this... Brutal Honesty!

[@dancatherwood7484]

I was about to mix our next record using Luna instead of Logic, but after watching this video, that would be a bit premature. Thanks for the heads-up. The last record came out great in Logic so this one will be fine...but the next next one, maybe that's a good time to track with Luna and see how it goes. Maybe track in Luna, mix stems and effects and print them in Logic, and do final mixes back in Luna to capture the tape and Neve summing?

[@composersgarage]

color grading and camera work is on point. wish i knew what light you use for filming in the dark studio!!!

[@jasonxoc]

I don’t think they’re ever going to open up luna to be used with other interfaces. Universal audio comes with EQ’s Compressors and reverbs for free. You can use a twin and a laptop to do remote mixing with a satellite. I think the pm said they were going to add control surface support. Glad you added the feedback button to the video :) Good video man... You’re an entertaining dude.

[@raynaldomartine]

Wow, Great video. You didn't sound like you were ranting, rather, you sound like you were just pointing out the issues that are "currently" lacking. Thank you for that. Seems that everybody in this world is ANGRY right now and ranting about even the most trivial things. Okay, so my issue is this: After I'm done tracking (using the Apollo interface, and Cubase), I do all of my editing downstairs on my laptop where I have an Octo Satellite hooked up next to my couch, and naturally, the UAD plugins function properly; but I can't even OPEN Luna with my Octo! If I track in Luna with the Apollo Quad, then, when I'm done, I don't need inputs anymore, because that part's done, and now I'm just editing. All I should need is the Octo "horsepower" for the UAD plugins, but, the app will not open without the Audio interface. Too bad, but I think, like with most great things, they're just having "growing pains", as this is their first DAW. As long as folks like you keep doing videos like this, and not ranting, I believe they will be receptive to the areas lacking. I rarely watch a video like this in its entirity. Normally, I scroll ahead to get past the "too long, wordy intros", or the "rant sections", But it was cool to watch this whole video. Again, nice job.

[@Elixirmusiques]

Great insightful review. Thanks

[@DDPAV]

Yep the whole Ilok-UA hardware- UA login is ridiculous. For me hardware attached is fine- why do I need the rest? Great job on the run down!

[@Bruceta]

This by itself is already a big no-go

[@BariCooksey]

I can’t get my waves plugins to show up. Is there something specific that I need to do?

[@BenZGordon]

Hey bro I love your stuff!

[@waynewav]

💯💯🙏

[@joeymelotti7909]

Thanks Wavy! You rock!

[@TheSupremeExperience]

Just started using Luna for voice work coming from adobe audition. The no stock effects etc had me confused. Any suggestion on plug ins for echo/delay/compression etc?

[@markmcgibbon2101]

Thanks for the vid Wavy. I use Studio One and they've got a load of drum loops and samples i can just drag and drop in that i,personally, find useful for building and initial track but Luna lacks that function it appears.I know Shape is in there but it looked like you had to build the drum pattern and tbh it looked like a lot of effort. I've only had garageband before Studio One and they're drums/beats were pretty flexible too. I've not deleted Luna as such but as you say it needs a bit of development yet.

[@andesneko]

Funny, great style and more importantly you can tell you know your stuff as your intro music and voice sound well mixed and all. I had to subscribe, but mainly because of the dark side of the luna thing 🌑

[@soloridertv]

Hopefully, UA will get all of these things going before the PC version come out. Thanks, Wayne!

[@ridewavesproductions3515]

also for a current work around To bounce within the session put the midi track out as one of the virtual channels and then create an audio track with those as the input. there is latency and you will have to line it back up but with the Tab to transient feature but its quick and easy

[@robertstephens9294]

I think I’ll wait before I installed. Thanks

[@naughtalistv]

the transport at the top of the screen. I use touch screen monitor, its crazy to have to reach all the way up to hit play or record.... Great vid bro.

[@shippowindscar4413]

Thanks for this big time!!! So I'll be sticking with windows. Then I'll be using the neve summing and the tape plugins in another DAW. I create in Ableton and Mix, I'll probably be investing in Protools or Maybe trying something cheaper like the Harrison MixBus... don't know need to test stuff

[@ScantlessBeatz]

@wavywayne I am a new Apollo user about 2mo. & I have seen several red flags with UA & it is not gonna be cost effective for me. It will have it's place in my tool box but I will not be relying on it 100%. I will keep using my fl studio where I can use all 3rd party plug-ins & have my beat & vocals all in one project.

[@Bruceta]

Thank you for the very clear and honest review! Really terrible that Luna has what It seems to be concept issues, like dongles, bureaucratic mobility and login, no mp3, no templates, no bundled basic plugins. Very disappointing. I was willing to try something newer and “better” but I will keep using Pro Tools.

[@robertjerald4931]

Thanks for this review.

[@ORafaMusic]

And there is also the fact that UAD deletes all negative comments on their website ... this is offensive

[@louderthanlove4]

They deleted the reviews about people bitching about the fact the Neve Summing wasn't free, if those very people took their heads out of their asses they would of known from the start it wasn't free. So i totally understand why UA deleted these reviews :)

[@reven6e531]

Jamie Dockerty sound like a fanboy, pussy

[@louderthanlove4]

REVEN6E just stating facts dumbass.

[@BeauStephenson]

@@reven6e531 You sound like a Cajun.

[@Breakbeat90s]

@@louderthanlove4 still no reason to delete them, let them demonstrate their own stupidity in that case, i am sure that they've also deleted good criticism

[@gregsteffey1266]

Thanks for sharing. I was trying to decide if I should sell my Interface and go to UA/Luna. I don’t think I will.

[@pluckingthespectrum]

wowee LUNA is just fabulous over here!!! thanks man

[@bullfunkstudios3856]

All your comments are great, those are exactly my thoughts. Its just another DAW, but you would think prior to launching a DAW they would think about all these important details you mentioned because its all about the workflow. I always say why learn a new DAW when you are effecient with the current DAW you have we are about making music not re learning a new system that will take a minute to learn. You missed out on hardware inserts ;) at the moment Luna does not support that, I have a bunch of outboard but cant use it. Nice video dude! Happy mixing/producing

[@iliravdyli4109]

U can record with 4 uad plugins in arm mode. U just have to put the uad plugins in the insert section and not in record input.

[@4th4444]

Fkn propoganda from Wayne on that one. All he had to do was watch luna office episode #1. I expect better from the man smh.

[@TheHolyMC]

4th S&S he made 1 mistake chill lol

[@patrickwilliams1886]

not only are your vids dope but the clarity and picture quality is dope. what are you recording your audio with? I have studio one professional, logic x and luna but I have never done a video

[@JacksPlace-AusMusic]

Love this presentation 👍

[@Bass_Levelz]

Cool Daw name...Luna looks ok... there's alot of kinks to work out... I'll check more reviews in a few years. LPX is my new DAW venture. So dope.

[@amaz254]

How do you print your effects? we don't all have ample dsp Wayne. I've had to record to an audio track everytime, unlike pro tools where you can commit. Thoughts?

[@paulamsmendes]

Thank you so much for your videos!!! Which microphone is that one you are using in your studio? It sounds incredible and seems very easy to use. Thank you!

[@CLEANMUDVIDEOS]

I was definitely looking to upgrade my system to grab it but I’ll definitely wait on that for now. Hopefully they’ll fix some of those things! Thanks again for another dope video!

[@jocool1502]

Yo wavy im working on sonar x3 and been working on it for years. What do you think about it if you have heard of it or not. Its made by cakewalk

[@rubecordovaguitarist]

You made some great points, but as you said this is relatively new software. My guess is that they will eventually get those bugs figured out and add a lot more of the free features. Obviously this is a platform for selling all of their plug-ins, but I must say I am currently enjoying Luna minus all of the bugs/issues. Thanks man, good video!

[@TownsGroup]

Good info. This breakdown relieves a lot of anxiety.

[@1masterfader]

Can you save channel strip settings as you can in logic? Pro tools don't let you save channel strip settings.

[@Roy2maureen]

Thanks... I have an Apollo twin & Run logic X. Was thinking about downloading luna because you have to run everything thru console. Im gonna wait & I don't like Iloks either. thanks again, very informative

[@RKBibleStudy]

1. You can't rout separate outputs from a VI to separate mixer channels. 2. You can't customize keyboard shortcuts. I am visually impaired, so I like to have as many shortcuts as I can on the number pad, even if I have to use modifier keys. Great video!

[@tivares33]

Thank you for your video. I think that for a V1 it's dope but it miss the side chain effect..

[@JTS-c9x]

Well, you do get the plugin bundle that comes with the Apollo you’re using. But I feel you man...

[@blastid.]

my biggest problem is i cant process plugins to a selected audio clip like in pro tools

[@RaymondLaneAmazenOne]

What version of protools are you all using that doesn't require an ILok?

[@MKunstmann]

I use Cubase 10 and can’t see why to move to Luna. Got Apollo interfaces and DSP but neither getting a damn I-fuggin-lok nor being connected to internet for opening a session. Great video, man! Thank U.

[@BenCaesar]

I have UAD hardware, but like the DAWS i use are awesome so why switch now? I'll hold position and see what happens.

[@Rgdonaire_07]

Fully agree with everything you said man. Very very early version of Luna, bare bones. UAD will tell you to write everything in the feedback box ;)

[@GraysonErhard]

I noticed duplicate track is very glitchy. Hardly ever works correctly for me

[@higltypig]

reaper comes with a massive amount of effects, the excellent ReaPlugs and then a slew of JS plugins.

[@SeraDoll89]

I wonder if upon purchase we can request the prior software to Luna ?

[@itsmebarz9859]

what about the Bus sends ? do I have to buy the 299$ neveexpansion ? no regular sends ?

[@CLdwyer]

My hang up is the lack of a simple utility plugin like in Ableton. I want to automate gain for leveling vocals for pop tracks and the workflow requires me to do redundant vocal busses to separate the trim from the compression phase. Or I gotta go into the vocal clip and slice words with clip gain and cross fades. That’ll create artifacts. I only consider Luna viable for tracking. Not for mixing yet.

[@lesterbernard3866]

I appreciate your honesty

[@ramonkey2939]

Love my UA interfaces but I’m just gonna stick with Logic//Pro Tools. It’s just that simple! This was a good full review of Luna v.1 looking forward to seeing UA improve its DAW for use by music professionals

[@scotbyrdmusic]

No comp swiping! Logic nails this. And not being a ProTools user, I’m gonna have to learn all of Luna’s keyboard shortcuts (it uses PT shortcuts per Office Hours.

[@AnahataBeatspeaker]

can you change the global tuning? 432hz sounds better than 441hz

[@theallurr247]

thanks for the update

[@MajikMuzq]

Apollo can with free software didn’t it? 😊 pro tools had us tied to hardware for years so we got through it and I know UA is going to update we are at V1......

[@franklinlandaverde3067]

Uww, just got an Apollo twin X and was excited about Luna and running the application bit after watching your video i dont know if it will work for me or not.. I am just trying to get some vocals on my MacBook so not really sure if the effects and compressors are truelly necessary at this point but i definitely hear you out! Not sure about the templates but i might buy some too, from Wavyway.com or is it wavywayne?.com Either way, i'll find out.

[@rron7563]

So it’s just a DAW in development... I’m only interested in getting an Apollo Twin DUO, if it comes free with the damn thing then whatever. I’ll still be using my preferred DAW.

[@wayahedia9989]

Good vid! The amount of work it would take to move processing over to the CPU would likely make Luna $299. The support costs especially. Using the Apollo, that's all dealt with in the box.

[@OnGoBo]

dang that's all I needed to hear no export to mp3 damn luna maybe later I was rooting for you but thanks Wayne for the info def will work with you in the future

[@DiamoncutStudiosLLC]

great video,, i would agree that there is no free plugins that come with the daw,,, I'm hoping they will make that change since ua plugins are uber expensive (quality vs quantity)... Can you use templates i previously purchased from u in Luna now???? Also is there a list of all the plug ins you use for your templates in Luna, Pro tools, or Logic before i purchase more templates???? Thx bro

[@mauriziomauricone]

If you bought the Studer UAD2 plug-in, it will be available for free in Luna, so it seems.

[@niozikpro5812]

Yes it will

[@mauriziomauricone]

Too bad I'm on High Sierra: not upgrading my system. Logic Pro X + apollo twin w/Console it is.