Why You Should NOT Switch to LUNA...Yet | Top Issues with UA Luna Recording System

[@joxer96]

Now this is the definition of constructive criticism. Honest and fair!

[@onimisilovesonmusic4548]

The warmth they claim luna Daw gives , that can be achieved in any Daw if u know what u doing or if u have the right tools.

[@searchdiver55]

"Dark side of the Luna" for the win.

[@MarkGarbettLlanigan]

but not the win-dows

[@Cyrusnotmiley]

Just watched this with my roommate because he was telling me about Rick Beato's channel. Had to show him all the knowledge you drop. Great video.

[@andrewvaldez7206]

People bad mouthing LUNA so far are not seeing the true potential of this software. I don't think this will overtake PRO TOOLS in tracking, or LOGIC and FRUITY LOOPS in production, but it's going to have its place in mixing. This DAW has probably the best overall sound I've heard from a DAW.

[@roberteismann1929]

A daw doesn't have a sound, it's the saturation plugins in Luna that give it a certain flavour and you can of course use them in Protools too. I tend to use protools mostly and find it a drag to record in Protools and then import everything into Luna to mix. By the time a song is recorded and produced in Protools it's already in a good mixing spot, so why should I then import it into Luna and start again?

[@JayFrederick]

nope. the authorization being tied to the login, ilok, and UA hardward is three strikes and out. thanks for letting us know.

[@MCMAGIC.]

Great Points - I thought I was going crazy looking for all the basic EQs, Compressors & Tap Delays - besides BIP which i use all day in logic we need the right couch “slow down@ feature inside the fade zone - that is a MUST! ... but in the bright side my first Luna Mix sounds 🔥 THANKS WAVY

[@agfromdai.e3806]

Yoooo Magic waddup foo

[@adamrichards8252]

I love the feel and sound of LUNA, but for me i need, continuous scrolling, freeze tracks for plugins, VCA's, import session data, Bounce in place and a separate MIDI window

[@nolanneal]

I absolutely love your energy!! The world smiles more with you in it! :) I’ve been mainly using LUNA for putting strings & MOOG on my songs with the free trials 🤓 There’s some things I dig about LUNA but way more that I can’t stand! It also crashes soooooo much on me and I have a super powerful computer. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Had me really stressed for a couple nights. Then I remembered I could be crippled or blind and I chilled out. ❤️

[@BeauStephenson]

For a v1, it's amazing. Right now I'm just tracking, AAF to Logic for editing, then AAF back to Luna for mixing. So far, I've finished 3 projects and it's been great.

[@cityraintunes]

Beau Stephenson Music Channel yeah I’m producing in Ableton and exporting to Luna for Mixing. I love it!!

[@jasonstallworth]

Dude, thank you for putting this out there. I’ve been with Studio One since 2009 but for a moment, I was considering Luna with all the hype.

[@SchmirtleFirpOmPomWemgyulan]

I got a couple for ya Wavy. 1.There is no external side chain support still. No knocking the bass down a few dBs when the kick hits. 2. There is no options for clicks. You get the sound they provide & if you drummer wants click divisions in 1/8 notes and the guitarist wants 1/4s....sorry. You will get whatever you programmed into the signature map. 3. Say you spend all morning dialing up a full band live tracking with unison preamps. The first song they are there but when you start another session for another song, all that sound checking is for not. You get to reload all of the things you already did. You could just do the whole record in 1 session...since you are forced to.

[@leonardiacono4822]

That was a really fun excursion on Luna. Thanks for warning me. I’ll stay in Logic and just keep using my UAD PCI cards and TB3 Lynx Aurora interface. Rock solid.

[@peterfedak9682]

Great vid, Wayne. I think Luna's target audience is those of us already using UA interfaces, and that assumes we probably already have some of the (not inexpensive) plugins. We may already have a Mac. We are used to the hardware tether. And if you can move the license from the iLok Cloud to our key, which we also probably have for other plugins, there's not much of a heavy lift. Now, yes, the external hardware (fader controller) support would be really nice. But along with the AAF export (super-simple bouncing of stems!), I think the door is left open for us to track in Luna with very low latency, then move from Luna to mix on another platform where controller compatibility varies. Also, there's a mix down function for AAC which is great. I just started using Luna and it's quirky, but remember Pro Tools 1? Neither do I - I'm not that old. As far as FREE DAWs go, it could definitely be worse.

[@markmuiruri]

Two features that they missed which are critical to my workflow.. 1. There's no way to capture the playhead during playback and recording.. You have to manually scroll. Not a big problem during playback, but if you are recording yourself playing guitar, you cannot monitor the recording.. 2. There's no way to have the mix console on it's own window which I can move to a different screen.. When editing and mixing, it's easier to use multiple monitors that keep switching between the main project page and the mixer.

[@MrRaphaelRobinson]

When I heard ilok on their first stream it was done right there

[@SeanWyseman]

Unfortunately I have ilok from Ptools around 22 years ago. But I've always hated it and bitched endlessly every time I spoke to anyone at Protools for adopting it. I'm so glad the public is starting to create a groundswell of hate for ilok that will hurt vendors who insist on that confusing, unpredictable, money grab method of sabotaging thieves. There are better ways for the customer. Anyone know if ilok shares profit or pays out to vendors cash for leads (the customers that vendors send) them? If not there's no bloody reason anyone should use the ilok system.

[@MrRaphaelRobinson]

@@SeanWyseman everything you said is true and I think last week and people couldnt access their plugins. Could you imagine being on a deadline and not having access to plugins you paid for 🤣🤣

[@Quazelle]

One of my main issues with LUNA is automation. When you go to automate there are no numeric values that display on the track how it does in ProTools. But overall I enjoy it. I'd rather use LUNA than update my ProTools to that damn subscription fee.

[@RKBibleStudy]

1. You can't rout separate outputs from a VI to separate mixer channels. 2. You can't customize keyboard shortcuts. I am visually impaired, so I like to have as many shortcuts as I can on the number pad, even if I have to use modifier keys. Great video!

[@iliravdyli4109]

U can record with 4 uad plugins in arm mode. U just have to put the uad plugins in the insert section and not in record input.

[@4th4444]

Fkn propoganda from Wayne on that one. All he had to do was watch luna office episode #1. I expect better from the man smh.

[@TheHolyMC]

4th S&S he made 1 mistake chill lol

[@vonneandring497]

Love this. Helped in my decision to stay w/LPX -- and you're just darn likable!

[@TheBissco]

You nailed the big ones. But you acknowledged that they are still working on it, which is fair. My take, it's not ready for prime-time because ALL other DAWs are light years ahead in all sorts of ways. Once they start to catch up, and if they listen to the feedback, it will improve. Great vid. I hit thumbs up in the first 15 seconds!

[@raynaldomartine]

Wow, Great video. You didn't sound like you were ranting, rather, you sound like you were just pointing out the issues that are "currently" lacking. Thank you for that. Seems that everybody in this world is ANGRY right now and ranting about even the most trivial things. Okay, so my issue is this: After I'm done tracking (using the Apollo interface, and Cubase), I do all of my editing downstairs on my laptop where I have an Octo Satellite hooked up next to my couch, and naturally, the UAD plugins function properly; but I can't even OPEN Luna with my Octo! If I track in Luna with the Apollo Quad, then, when I'm done, I don't need inputs anymore, because that part's done, and now I'm just editing. All I should need is the Octo "horsepower" for the UAD plugins, but, the app will not open without the Audio interface. Too bad, but I think, like with most great things, they're just having "growing pains", as this is their first DAW. As long as folks like you keep doing videos like this, and not ranting, I believe they will be receptive to the areas lacking. I rarely watch a video like this in its entirity. Normally, I scroll ahead to get past the "too long, wordy intros", or the "rant sections", But it was cool to watch this whole video. Again, nice job.

[@georgegillen4639]

This is one of the best videos I've ever seen on many levels! Thumbs up! And every success!

[@devote2256]

Super Super cool brother. Just getting into the UAT, LUNA, and Apollo world. Thanks for the up beat training and insight. Was completely helpful!

[@The_Absurdistt]

Man, Wavy, I bet you would be crazy successful in the comedic world... You just have a great personality and the "gift of gab." Just flappin my jaw... You rock.

[@kwizo1]

Started with Cubase on an Atari Falcon. Moved to Protools TDM, didn't own it but used it in commercial studios. moved to Digital Performer 2.6 on my then G3 Power Mac. I stayed with Digital Performer but added Logic to my arsenal along with Protools once they allowed it to work natively. Once Propellerheads introduced "Record One" which later reverted back to Reason I added that. Added Logic Pro and later added Studio 1 v3... Added Reaper for fun and like its potential and just added Luna... The DAW that consistently impresses me to this day is Digital Performer which is now on version 10.1. I use it in my studio and for live audio playback for an A-list artist. It is by far the most flexible and comprehensive DAW on the market that most people sleep on. EVERYTHING in it is customizable. No one DAW is perfect, they all have their drawbacks but out of them all, DP10 is ridiculously good. Y'all should check it out if you haven't done so already.

[@DDPAV]

Yep the whole Ilok-UA hardware- UA login is ridiculous. For me hardware attached is fine- why do I need the rest? Great job on the run down!

[@Bruceta]

This by itself is already a big no-go

[@jorgesoto1763]

UA should have hired you to develop Luna broski. Great informative video for those thinking of switching to the Dark Side. Those are all deal breakers for me personally. I’m sticking to Pro Tools.

[@ORafaMusic]

And there is also the fact that UAD deletes all negative comments on their website ... this is offensive

[@louderthanlove4]

They deleted the reviews about people bitching about the fact the Neve Summing wasn't free, if those very people took their heads out of their asses they would of known from the start it wasn't free. So i totally understand why UA deleted these reviews :)

[@reven6e531]

Jamie Dockerty sound like a fanboy, pussy

[@louderthanlove4]

REVEN6E just stating facts dumbass.

[@BeauStephenson]

@@reven6e531 You sound like a Cajun.

[@Breakbeat90s]

@@louderthanlove4 still no reason to delete them, let them demonstrate their own stupidity in that case, i am sure that they've also deleted good criticism

[@higltypig]

reaper comes with a massive amount of effects, the excellent ReaPlugs and then a slew of JS plugins.

[@praxis-living]

There IS a bounce in place for MIDI. This was explained in LUNA office hours 22 with D.J. Jazzy Jeff.

[@CONEDBOY155]

Yea they did cover that. Essentially it's the same as mixing down a track and importing into your track window. It's not a major difference. but, like cubase you can render in place, one move. I wish the best for luna.

[@Rgdonaire_07]

Fully agree with everything you said man. Very very early version of Luna, bare bones. UAD will tell you to write everything in the feedback box ;)

[@TonyPuccioMusic]

I’ve produced in pro tools for 17 years. LUNA was released and I haven’t quit using it. I burned the 9 day free trial of the Neve Summing plug in, loved it but its $300. I, personally speaking, will continue to use both programs because I think it’s valuable to be well versed in different DAWs, widens your perspective on music production. LUNA is free if you own UAD hardware so why not?

[@thatswhati_ced]

I am glad I watched this video. I just bought the Apollo Quad so I got Luna with the package. I haven't gotten into Luna besides installing the software. I am a proud Pro Tools and Logic user. My go to is Pro Tools. It's confusing with Luna which plug ins that comes the package, which ones are free and which ones are the ones that are trial. Most of them are trial. So I gotta go through all of them trial plugs. Geez, I don't even want to use em because... They Are TRIALS. So I am riding with my waves plug ins. It is a bit overwhelming opening Luna. So instead of getting into it, I have to watch videos instead of creating or mixing or mastering. I will still try it but I am sticking to my go to's.

[@SunShyne_Culture]

I'm sticking with the industry standard, been with it from LE8 with my digi002 & still have my mbox 2 for portable, now at HD PT 10 (Hybrid, love the console) and 11 & 12 on iLok. I tried the Apollo Twin MKII, used it fir a month and sold it. PT Dope! London, UK .

[@gregsteffey1266]

Thanks for sharing. I was trying to decide if I should sell my Interface and go to UA/Luna. I don’t think I will.

[@billyhughes9776]

Requiring the iLok is just annoying and as you said restrictive. I have an account,...I own not one but two pieces of your hardware. How is that not enough? You make great points -- as a Pro Tools user Luna has a ways to go. Great video man.

[@f8accompli238]

'Dark side of the luna' got you an automatic subscriber! Crafty!

[@waynewav]

😁😁

[@nynetre7339]

Yeaaa it’s time for a updated LUNA video because you got templates now and a bunch of other stuff

[@Karlhto]

When you said that I can’t use Luna if I’m not connected to the internet it made me doubt about the possibility of using it.

[@mikeharwoodmusic]

It needs to connect to iLok which means either their cloud login or physical iLok USB - I don;t have an issue with that

[@Karlhto]

@@mikeharwoodmusic ye makes sense if i have the usb with me outside

[@mikeharwoodmusic]

Karlhto and any other plugins etc you may have that are iLok driven and why rely on internet connectivity?

[@Karlhto]

@@mikeharwoodmusic didn't he also said that luna needs a ua interface to open?

[@mikeharwoodmusic]

@@Karlhto Yeah, LUNA will only talk to an Apollo Thunderbolt interface

[@meechdeleon5799]

Dark side of the Luna. That's actually pretty clever Wavy

[@scotbyrdmusic]

No comp swiping! Logic nails this. And not being a ProTools user, I’m gonna have to learn all of Luna’s keyboard shortcuts (it uses PT shortcuts per Office Hours.

[@twarzawtwarzsmakzycia3324]

I just saw that video after 1 year and true when luna was released I didn’t like those issues that’s why I still was working on cubase But today I just love Luna and those issues was fixed Thanks mate maybe because of you UAD updated all those issues :) Peace

[@datzbeewild]

Also the free plugins is with your interface. UA just need to actually give a plug-in in each effect category. Also make new ones

[@waynewav]

Have you used any other DAW? Right out the box they have all the plugins you need from EQ, compressors, reverbs, gates, etc. are you telling me you can do a full mix session with the free plugins they give you?

[@datzbeewild]

Wayne.wav nope not at all. I can’t even do a half mix with the free ones, heck I can’t even do a full mix with the high price ones you can purchase. I just do not use there plugins much in my mixes at all. I only use them coming in on my vocal chain then the rest is waves with your trustee templates. I thought I would be switching to Luna for recording but that is not going to work.

[@iliravdyli4109]

@@waynewav with my Apollo 8 quad I get free pluings like Teletronix La2a, 2 x UA1176, Fairchild 670. Tell me a DAW that gives you high quality compressors like this. I also get 2x Pultec Pro EQs, Precision Mix Rack Collection, Realverb Pro, 2 Softube Bass Amps, Raw Distortion. U don't get everything but what u get with the Apollo 8 quad is high quality and believe me u can do a full mix session.

[@keysthomas1966]

@@iliravdyli4109 But my brother... U are a BOSS and dropped 2 RACKS for that SERIOUS PIECE OF KIT, (jealous) so it BETTER come with the plug in PACKAGE OF LIFE!! I been looking at the twin, cause Im so ready to join the no latency nation, but it's still a $800-1000

[@2502chalz]

@@waynewav yo im sorry for being waaaay off topic but i tried to hit you up another way but you never responded. im sure was busy or something, i know you have allot going on. check me out tho!!!! im trying to figure out how do i get quick time to screen record my sessions in stereo with my recording input enabled. i see you doing it but whats the secret bro, i tried everything. every time i try screen record the session, my shit keeps coming out in mono. help me out bro

[@Bruceta]

Thank you for the very clear and honest review! Really terrible that Luna has what It seems to be concept issues, like dongles, bureaucratic mobility and login, no mp3, no templates, no bundled basic plugins. Very disappointing. I was willing to try something newer and “better” but I will keep using Pro Tools.

[@jorgecastro907]

I will say, I think Luna has the ability to be what logic and pro tools is. UA is constantly updating Luna, like constantly. Once the kinks are worked out, and new features are added, I’m all in.

[@musicdriven888]

Good video, great points. I have to say, as professional producer with a software programing background, I'm not sure you understand what it would take to run UAD plugins natively. There are reasons they offer the best analog modeling out there, and yes much of that has got to do with how the software (aka plugins) work in conjunction with the hardware. With the topic of latency in particular, you can't do it in the same way natively. Yes I understand (like myself) you can run your native plugins without latency until you start maxing out your cpu. You start getting into the topic of "jitter" though. Jitter is extremely difficult to detect. It just starts to happen when you're using up over eighty percent of your cpu, and really effects the clarity and punch of your mixes. Running plugins on the UAD hardware greatly reduces the chances of jitter. Finally, UAD plugins pretty much always sound most authentic to the hardware they are emulating when compared to their competitors. This has got to do with the process they go through in order to achieve this. There's typically way more going on under the hood of a UAD plugin, and as a result they are MUCH MORE DEMANDING on CPU. An API channel made my UAD takes up almost three times the processing power as a waves. This is not due to poor programing, it's because the AUD plugin is actually doing a lot more to the audio than the Waves counterpart. All that said, I'm not saying UAD's system is better. It's better in some ways just like waves (for example) is better in some ways. I F-ing hate what jitter does to my mixes, which is why I'm heavily invested in the UAD platform. Luna isn't there yet for me, but I'll make the switch as soon as they come out with a version that includes some lacking essentials, like a better comping system for example.

[@mauriziomauricone]

If you bought the Studer UAD2 plug-in, it will be available for free in Luna, so it seems.

[@niozikpro5812]

Yes it will

[@mauriziomauricone]

Too bad I'm on High Sierra: not upgrading my system. Logic Pro X + apollo twin w/Console it is.

[@jasonxoc]

I don’t think they’re ever going to open up luna to be used with other interfaces. Universal audio comes with EQ’s Compressors and reverbs for free. You can use a twin and a laptop to do remote mixing with a satellite. I think the pm said they were going to add control surface support. Glad you added the feedback button to the video :) Good video man... You’re an entertaining dude.

[@richy2496]

Awesome video really enjoy it. First problem I encounter is punching in MIDI in between measures. It clears out the whole measure instead of just punching in only at the spot where I punch in. Second is exporting separated tracks with insert effects on but pre-faded. This is very necessary to send your track for mixing because most time you don't want to render that fader level. And of course Freezing tracks. But lets give it time because I feel I have a lot of faith in this software. It looks so beautiful and smooth just not usable for me now.

[@jca798]

The lack of free plugins is crazy, not being able commit or freeze a midi/ instrument track to audio should be standard in any daw by now and not being able to bounce to an mp3, let alone import them, was it for me. I do like the layout and the ideas, really like how similar to PT it is with the key commands and actually recording instruments. Thank you as always Wayne! 💯

[@mixworks-de]

You are not the only one to miss this: there is no mp3 option for the bounce BUT there is AAC - which is mp4 (Advanced Audio Codec). Just use that. Most people don't seem to know what AAC is, so it's an unlucky acronym choice in the bounce to audio menu.

[@RodneyD]

Well I’m not experiencing any issues with Logic. 😂😂😂😂

[@Cyrusnotmiley]

If it ain't broke don't fix it... fuck. hahah

[@PreciseSense85]

Logic is a beast. Too fye.

[@leonardiacono4822]

Logic is the best. No other DAW has the feature set and depth.

[@dominicsinicrope2795]

I love logic except for drum editing. It’s a pain in the ass in logic to edit drums. I usually export to pro tools to do drum edits then import back to logic to mix. This is the only issue I have with logic. I feel like for anyone starting out it’s absolutely the best bang for the buck. The stock instrument library and stock plugins are very good.

[@keveszatmari9831]

@@dominicsinicrope2795 It might just be the case for EDM producers, but Logic doesn't really have a good Drum Machine. It has Ultrabeat which is an outdated ugly synth and a layout for that in the newer versions called Drum Machine Designer. Also if you want to automate a parameter you have to scroll through them unlike in Ableton or Studio One.

[@AA-mo7pw]

I agree with everythign in this video as I was upset myself with expreienxijg these limitations first hand, but I guess this is why UAD restrain themselves from calling this a daw and consider the platform to be a recording system. Essentially, this is console 5.0 or something lol, because I feel as it just be beneficial to track with LUNA, and mix elsewhere; hence, why there is no mp3 bounce setting. Great video and I want to see the program progress with future updates!

[@TownsGroup]

Good info. This breakdown relieves a lot of anxiety.

[@shyharmonic]

This video headline is ICE COLD!

[@dancatherwood7484]

I was about to mix our next record using Luna instead of Logic, but after watching this video, that would be a bit premature. Thanks for the heads-up. The last record came out great in Logic so this one will be fine...but the next next one, maybe that's a good time to track with Luna and see how it goes. Maybe track in Luna, mix stems and effects and print them in Logic, and do final mixes back in Luna to capture the tape and Neve summing?

[@markstephens2531]

According to Universal Audio, LUNA does come with free plugins... The plugin bundle that comes with your Apollo! Lol

[@waynewav]

Yea. Exactly. Good luck working with just those plugins.

[@mcsweet1966]

@@waynewav Ok but still those are free plugins !

[@manvince]

@@mcsweet1966 No they really ain't because to use them realistically, you have to buy additional ancient DSP chips from them. They ain't cheap. Modern native CPU chips are way more powerful than UAD-2 Sharc Chips

[@MobTightEnt]

Wayne.wav I like your channel however I think you missed the mark with this video. A couple of the points you made are opinion based and aren’t factual which is misleading. To say it didn’t come with free plugins is misleading. An accurate statement would be it should come with better plugins because all Apollo’s comes with an EQ, compressor, and reverb.

[@babufits1584]

@@mcsweet1966 that's like saying "here go this free left shoe, but you gotta pay double for the right one." Don't say it's free when it's freemium.

[@soloridertv]

Hopefully, UA will get all of these things going before the PC version come out. Thanks, Wayne!

[@ScantlessBeatz]

@wavywayne I am a new Apollo user about 2mo. & I have seen several red flags with UA & it is not gonna be cost effective for me. It will have it's place in my tool box but I will not be relying on it 100%. I will keep using my fl studio where I can use all 3rd party plug-ins & have my beat & vocals all in one project.

[@samuelpeinado1267]

Was getting into Luna. Been using it for the last couple weeks. Today, after laying down the first track, Luna crashed because it couldn’t reach ilock. That’s it. I’m done. So glad I didn’t spend on uad plugins. The plugins sound great. I dig Luna... but I can’t invest in software that might crash on me. Ableton live have never... as in not once... crashed on me in over 10 years of using it.

[@luisbarahona6255]

Great video! Thanks for the insight I’m starting off in production and this really helped in what daw I will be using thanks man! Your awesome!

[@alexeysmirnovguitar]

Newcomer here on your channel. I’m mostly a live music guy, but I have nothing against any type of music. Man, great insight. Great sense of humor. Helpful video. Thank you!

[@loxpower]

Man, that was an instant subscribe... never reached that button more quickly! XD you're really funny and clearly know your stuff (without being pretentious, a big plus for me!).

[@robertstephens9294]

I think I’ll wait before I installed. Thanks

[@Sellarmusic]

That's a pretty good list to start with. Thanks for covering this. I too had some issues trying to get it installed with passwords and ilok. To be honest, I almost said to hell with it right at the start. Also, I was pretty shocked when I found out that you have to buy a lot of the plugins that were demo'd as if they were included. No-one ever mentioned that at the NAMM rollout.

[@basilandrigsby]

I’m a UA fanboy. I use an Apollo, a 6176 Pre and an OX amp top box, plus more plugins than I care to think about. Generally, I’m enjoying Luna, but its DAW vs store conflict is frustrating. As I said, I own lots of UAD plugins. I just wish I could find them in the huge List of plugins that comes up! I’m a loyal customer. I’ll buy stuff...Relax!

[@therealshadowmusik]

This is a dope and accurate video bruv I just got Luna and it won’t even allow me to get passed verifying my interface when my Apollo is plugged in🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ so I’m already getting a bad taste about Luna

[@robr3419]

The most obvious thing missing is rescan plugins. Just like Maschine and MPC software they did the same thing. Not stable, random crashing, and missing basic features. UA has so much potential it’s not ready for prime time but it is it’s going to be something I don’t think pro tools or studio one will be able to compete with.

[@wayahedia9989]

Good vid! The amount of work it would take to move processing over to the CPU would likely make Luna $299. The support costs especially. Using the Apollo, that's all dealt with in the box.

[@jordogo]

One thing you didn't mention, that is probably related to the crashing issue, is that Activity Monitors shows it's super GPU heavy. Fans on med/full blast with the DAW sitting idle. And i have a new 16" macbook pro with 8GB vram.

[@PreciseSense85]

Cool Daw name...Luna looks ok... there's alot of kinks to work out... I'll check more reviews in a few years. LPX is my new DAW venture. So dope.

[@MankyFrilla]

Luna looks like it will be on the kerb for now. . thanks wav.

[@bullfunkstudios3856]

All your comments are great, those are exactly my thoughts. Its just another DAW, but you would think prior to launching a DAW they would think about all these important details you mentioned because its all about the workflow. I always say why learn a new DAW when you are effecient with the current DAW you have we are about making music not re learning a new system that will take a minute to learn. You missed out on hardware inserts ;) at the moment Luna does not support that, I have a bunch of outboard but cant use it. Nice video dude! Happy mixing/producing

[@jupiter_ki]

with the UAD - Arrow you have that portablity . UAD doesn't want to let its software to end up like Waves where everybody has cracked versions of it . Thats why , bacc to hardware , they have DSP accelerator cards you can put into your computers & etc. its the exclusiveness like Apple . Having their "hardware" get's you the members only jacket .

[@AnthonyMartinsRock]

The arrow is fine until you decide to run more than a few plugins or need more io. I really wanted the Arrow for its bus powered portability but then after testing, I bought an Apollo Twin as the dsp on the arrow was almost comically underserved for the plugins I purchased. The bare minimum should be 2 it has 1.

[@ericsolomon3318]

That's how Studio One came out and look at her now!.

[@Prince.Mykal.Vision]

Never had any of these issues with Studio One Since V1. Studio one V2 was the most stable/productive daw I ever used at the time.

[@ampstudios]

Studio One never had issues, what are you talking about?

[@MKunstmann]

I use Cubase 10 and can’t see why to move to Luna. Got Apollo interfaces and DSP but neither getting a damn I-fuggin-lok nor being connected to internet for opening a session. Great video, man! Thank U.

[@TheSteveKinney]

I'd be willing to bet they have been working on all of this already and instead of just doing like existing DAW's, they are trying to come up with something more innovative. Or at least make the workflow easier.

[@Bruceta]

There are concept issues. They chose to demand i-lock dongles, hardware-dependent logins, etc. This is what they want and what they are, unfortunately.

[@Roy2maureen]

Thanks... I have an Apollo twin & Run logic X. Was thinking about downloading luna because you have to run everything thru console. Im gonna wait & I don't like Iloks either. thanks again, very informative

[@James-eg3nf]

A few thoughts: 1. iLok is probably going to be used to support a pay model (subscription or otherwise) at some point in the future, presumably when the fix all the bugs. My theory is that it's free for NOW because they're basically doing a public beta test. One day, they'll introduce a new and "improved" version that will cost something more along the lines of what UAD charges for things, and this might be a forced update. 2. I've been using Luna for a few weeks and at first I loved it, but when I updated it, I no longer can use zero-latency monitoring. It now acts EXACTLY like a regular DAW where you can monitor the hardware directly and hear the delayed output thought the DAW. I am not sure if there's a conflict with using the UAD Console or what, which brings me to my next point... 3. It's not clear if the UAD Console is even necessary or not. Luna doesn't work if the Console is not on, but when it's on, it mutes my current channel. I am constantly playing whack-a-mole trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've been using DAWs for about 20 years now and I'm no stranger to these workflows, but Luna is damn confusing 4. Recoding and editing is not nearly as mature as with other DAWs (I am currently using Logic). It's actually really bad. Recording is a ridiculous 3-step process, for example (arm track, press record, press play). 5. I really hope they fix everything because I really love the concept and the results I've gotten so far are very impressive. Sound quality and performance are truly amazing.

[@jedgould5531]

Wayne has devoted considerable effort in getting to know Luna. He had his doubts about a new daw, nevertheless he got to know it. At first overhyping right after NAMM, he then came up with the cons, which is great. He listens to his fans. UA has work to do. I would be happy if my Apollo 8 Quad was reliable. But they’ve given up on phone support, so all I can do is email these people and hope. The primary solution to almost every problem is a complete re-install. Which required running de-install, but also hunting down a dozen other files that made your re-install useless if you don’t catch every...single...one of them. Maybe the new software will help. But to ask clients to continually re-install is unprofessional. Luna would be worth the money (please don’t say it’s free) only if UA interfaces work MORE RELIABLY. ✌🏾

[@metalgunforhire]

Very helpful, and thanks for keeping it positive! You rock, brother!

[@CmrReviews]

how to export wav in luna

[@dannylharper6889]

Thanks for this review! Love dat Wavy Wayne!

[@rron7563]

So it’s just a DAW in development... I’m only interested in getting an Apollo Twin DUO, if it comes free with the damn thing then whatever. I’ll still be using my preferred DAW.

[@nucentury08]

Luna is running like a champ 🚀🚀💯 not one crash I score still in Logic then import to Luna OSX Mojave 2017 15inch Touch Bar MBP Solid Luna runs.💯💪🏽

[@Cyrusnotmiley]

"LUNA SUCKS"

[@iosuagalev]

Well, yes, LUNA has still a lot of room for improvement, let’s not forget that it is a 1 month old DAW. And for different things I still use Logic and Ableton, for different algorythms and workflows, depending on what I do. What I can definitely say is that recording and mixing in LUNA is way BETTER than Logic or Ableton. The audio quality is superior, without a doubt! And this is mainly because it just uses the audio interface in a way that Logic and Ableton do not. And this is obvious because it is build by the same company. Yes, I find it a lot easier to work with MIDI in Logic or Ableton, some production stages I work them in Logic or Ableton, but afterwards I export and load them to LUNA. For me, this is a very good workflow. The thing for me, when I first recorded in LUNA, it was my first time in my life when listening back to the recording I heard the EXACT sound I heard through my headphones when I played the part. And I had the exact feeling when listening back. Now, I’m very sorry, but I didn’t experienced that in Logic, or Ableton, or Cubase. And that feeling, was enough to make me spend for the last couple of weeks, hours into learning to work with LUNA. Yes, there are things I wish I wouldn’t have to open Logic or Ableton, but at the end of the day, I didn’t pay any cent on LUNA. So, record in LUNA if you can, do your MIDI, VST editing in what DAW you are comfortable in, import to LUNA, mix there.

[@paulamsmendes]

Thank you so much for your videos!!! Which microphone is that one you are using in your studio? It sounds incredible and seems very easy to use. Thank you!

[@qhen794]

Great video Wavy! Been using Luna as well and have been running into the same issues. Awesome DAW but definitely needs more work. I am looking forward to the future updates.

[@badpilotstudio]

If you have Softube CONSOLE1 then it works briliant :) If you have already have UA apollo then, most probably you have a lot staff. Thay are saying it is not DAW it is recording tool - at least now.

[@josephbeck5581]

The other problem I encounter as a beat maker that is a complete Deal breaker for me. Is MIDI TIME CLOCK! They do not sync midi time clock output so, My MPC which needs to know when to play so my beats can be recorded... Still works great with Ableton and PT. When I can afford the Summing and Tape extensions, Ill probably output and mix in there. Luna is the go to DAW for recording guitar and stuff though.

[@starpinestudio]

Reaper has a whole ton of included plug-ins 😎. Avid reaper here

[@ridewavesproductions3515]

I love these videos! I do agree about the basic suite of plugins thing. I was just thinking how there were no basic plugins that came with the DAW. there are tons of free AU plugins online that you can get for now, its not an excuse but its a temporary fix. Not only it being V1 its also a V1 that was released 6-8 weeks early. so a lot of stuff that seems like a no brainer might have been included. Its definitely not ready for a complete switch over. but its good to learn the program from start so when its ready it won't be so difficult to learn

[@SirJamalong]

Helpful and informative! Thanks Subbed

[@Electricowlworks]

Yes, Reaper comes with a very capable set of included plugins. Also. it isn't free. The license is $60 if you earn less than $20K per year in the music industry. The license is $250 if you make more. Thanks for the great video! - chaz

[@Kevinschart]

They are probably sitting on some extra cash since the apollo has become so popular. It only makes sense to build a DAW. Eventually it will be fully feature packed, and a lot of people will move away from Logic/Protools/Studio One etc....to use the DAW that ships with their favorite hardward.

[@pluckingthespectrum]

wowee LUNA is just fabulous over here!!! thanks man

[@ramonkey2939]

Love my UA interfaces but I’m just gonna stick with Logic//Pro Tools. It’s just that simple! This was a good full review of Luna v.1 looking forward to seeing UA improve its DAW for use by music professionals

[@ridewavesproductions3515]

also for a current work around To bounce within the session put the midi track out as one of the virtual channels and then create an audio track with those as the input. there is latency and you will have to line it back up but with the Tab to transient feature but its quick and easy

[@mikeharwoodmusic]

For a V1, I think it's pretty good and the sound is sweet. The sounds available in Shape leave a lot to be desired but as it works with au plugins etc and most seasoned DAW user's will have a whole bunch they like to use it ain't as bad as being made out to be. Personally, I like it and look forward to the ride along the way.