Why You Shouldn't PRI-ARM Echo of Paradise? [Honkai Impact 3 Beta v6.3]

[@NyllHzri]

TLDR : Keep the Original Echo of Paradise and PRI-ARM another EoP with another gacha pistol or use dupe EoP if u have one If you have sharp eyes, look closely at 2:55, you can see that turg alr gone on EoP PRI run, I forgot to mention in the video Also typo on 3:03, it's phase 1, not phase 2 Edit : Haiya, feel like I have to explain my tldr even more Look, I never said it's harm to make pri arm, I just said it's just mess up usual strat with turgenev So you have 2 choice : - Have 1 eop pri and 1 base eop - Don't pri eop at all and just keep base eop Base eop now is considered valuable because there's no other way u can obtain except gacha, meanwhile eop pri, u can use any lying unused gacha weapon to pri arm eop pri as long u have base eop Except that eop pri is more exclusive to aponia support and not on other lightning dps So why turgenev? Because it's the most used stig for eden due to how fast she can apply through qte which doesn't even take 1 second, margrave is different story because it proc on ult, not hit In the end, it's basically your choice, I'm just giving advice and warning to some playerbase that understand how eden turgenev work

[@corpshu]

I don't even have EoP I'm gonna die

[@Phoenix-O]

Thank u. You just saved my Pri arm materials cuz I don’t have aponia and now I can save them for HoFI and HoO

[@Ahrul_50]

About SSS BKE one, CN players with EoP PRI got figure out different strat at start p1 using PV GD, it still playable but still not recommend to PRI it unless u have any gacha pistols or dupe EoP

[@NyllHzri]

@@Ahrul_50 yeah I saw the run, still won't recommended to pri original echo anyway, better be safe than sorry

[@JorgeGDMG]

I only have thunder kikaku, can I use it for the pri or is it still useful??

[@heming7589]

The original gun fits Eden’s aesthetics better, while the PRI-ARM looks like something Vill-V would make.

[@ignitingvoyager]

facts

[@arcana1234]

Vill V made a gift for Eden but Eden has a heart of gold to accept her gift even though she loved her previous gun design 🥲

[@magpiezaychik]

You say that but the wine red is the same colour as her hair and the gold/maroon lining then matches her dress so it’s more fitting to her then just the gold and maroon gun. It’s a beautiful addition to her kit but without it adding major buffs across the board then using that many resources to upgrade it for mediocre results is not very appealing. Until there’s a stronger Psy Lightning then HoT we sticking with what we got. Sorry Aponia

[@djentmas867]

It matches her BP outfit tho

[@yeojiherrscherofdepression3645]

@@magpiezaychik HoO is an upcoming Lightning DPS who might be stronger than HoT but she is IMG not PSY😅

[@zacvarg3530]

educational videos like this with clear explanations and evidence are amazing. thank you for providing this to the honkai community!

[@bonghy]

Thank you so much for this video, I was actually thinking of PRI arming my EoP. Lucky thing I came across your vid. Thanks so much.

[@alpha7xgaming1]

In general, Echo of Paradise PRI-ARMS is more suitable if you usually use Aponia team, otherwise you should keep the original gun as well (especially for f2p-players) Anyways, thanks for your demonstrations 😁

[@ShadowArabesque]

I just remembered/realized only the flame chaser SP Valkyries have PRI ARMs, wtf?!?! Carole, Bronie and Kongming deserve some love too!!

[@djentmas867]

But if they did that then how would they sell you Griseo, Sushang, Ai chan, and HotR?! If your previous supports were still ideal after 6 months then they wouldnt make money...i guess? The biggest slap in the face is Raven. She had a really easy fix tbh, give her tons of SP on entry, or ignite trauma on weakpoint shot thru Pri arm. *But shes a base A rank* people say but they forget we had Rondo pri arm and she was the main fire support forever as an A rank.

[@theploot8230]

They're outdated, there's no reason to buff old valks

[@coffee_enjoyer3828]

Carole probably can get one, Kallen introduction in Exalted Abyss make a proper shieldbreaking ability important now since Griseo + Paganini M solution is no longer enough. Bet that version of Kallen will also enter Exalted MA as SSS version too in near future patches so that's even more reasons she can get one. The other two ... well, HB can just use SW's PRI weapon. SA is just plain outdated.

[@yattamonke]

@@theploot8230 Herrscher of reason and herrscher of thunder: Are you sure about that? S rank valks aside, even white comet got a buff after Griseo got released. Although it's p2w but still exists.

[@gravios9641]

@@yattamonke white comet doesn't get any form of buff with griseo. The gun spam build can be use by any gun user that use proto alberich gun lol!

[@amadeusrolux0488]

Thank you for the video Hazu, short and easy to understand as always! Now I can save my pri mats for the trio peacefully XD gib me ur luck Hazu

[@NyllHzri]

No

[@Badmobileplayer]

This is the content the honkai community needs.

[@LinusDoGraphics]

this was actually so informative thank you so much

[@miguelray]

So glad I found you, thanks again Like the others here I was already planning on making EoP PRI just cause (and I don't have DP either) I get to save PRI mats for the three upcoming Herrschers lol this is gonna be brutal

[@samudramuhammad6224]

Mihoyo did eden-lover-non-aponia-haver dirty :(

[@BadAppleDes]

I like the original look better anyways, and Asa non aponia haver this only solidifies my resolve. Thanks hazu

[@tsunilo7857]

Ooh another Tranquil Arias case! This actually makes the game more interesting for me, wish they'd do this more often where the non PRI-ARM version of a weapon would be more useful in niche cases ngl

[@Teabreak-venerate]

Tranquil arias case?

[@RAIJINMARU670]

@@Teabreak-venerateyep 6s pistols are good general elemental dps pistols but when priarmed they become only good for 6s

[@Teabreak-venerate]

@@RAIJINMARU670 oh

[@gestalt7756]

@@RAIJINMARU670 slightly similar with nebulous duality, right?

[@yukarichan3962]

@@gestalt7756 nope lol cosmic is always better than nebs

[@doremi6544]

Glad I saw this before the patch. Thanks!

[@tinmyatmin6317]

Noted. That was a really nice information video. Thank you

[@Laz-y]

Bless u for this vid, was gonna just pri assuming pri always better but I don't even have aponia so I'd have ruined my Eden Thanks for the save 🙏🙏🙏

[@JS-cz6cj]

Very amazing information video!

[@reversal3628]

Thanks for the information. I still take my chances for my Eden.

[@fetyun]

This is really interesting and informative, thanks for sharing this 🙂❤️❤️✨

[@fenrysk]

time to craft another hyper rails for the PRI frame

[@NyllHzri]

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[@jcdenton2819]

Well deserved like, thanks for the warning.

[@Mikairium]

EoP PRI is basically tailor made for an HoTr Aponia with eden wearing handel team

[@kouseigi3448]

THe Thunder Kikaku Sitting on My Acc gathering dust: "My time has come..."

[@jighs]

The bgm at the start made me lose my shit cause I was going down the stairs and the lights were off, I thought theres a ghost in my house

[@rizkypramana6003]

Why did YT recommends me this when i already use EoP as base Pri-arm yesterday.

[@guyschill2059]

This just saved me

[@PanConSaS]

KZbin recommending me this after I just PRI-ARM my only EoP 😭😭

[@NyllHzri]

Ur pfp says it all

[@khorosho2533]

They should make a condition for that passive wherein it will only activate when Golden Diva or the weapon does something (QTE or active skill). Edit: I just noticed that the passive skill says "AFTER ALL team members cast weapon active..." not "WHEN a team member cast weapon active...". In the test video, the description should be the latter.

[@sirzechimpact5051]

How about using Two Handle Stigma? One on HoT as DPS, second on Eden as Support. Maybe some one can answer.

[@obelusillumina6077]

Handel support effects do not stack.

[@reed582]

Me remembering that the weapon spirits in Foundry exist and now actually serve a purpose >:)

[@MyVanir]

I mean, if you don't need any foundry stigs and REALLY want to buff Aponia, sure.

[@reed582]

@@MyVanir Eh there actually more important things I need to craft first like JST T and Pinions, but I will be able to craft them soon, and then my dreams of a complete dps Eden WILL MANIFEST

[@MeiX-5]

I discovered this video 7 days late...

[@bored_1023]

Ooo, i see This is certainly helpful cos I try my best to be F2P as possible (unless it's durandal) and I only have 1 EOP Thank you so much for the insight!

[@SinonPream]

It could be good if they keep it like v1 where it's 10s with 1hit/s and have no fking cd. It can totally reapply Tur and keep it like forever on enemy's face. Still don't know why they chose to mess it up =,=

[@NyllHzri]

for aponia ofc lol

[@hanabi7457]

It was too broken, reapplying PPM, which, from example, hugely increased HoT's damage. So they balanced it

[@crimsonprincetr5844]

Thanks. Very useful info

[@inspirit77]

i wish i knew about this earlier. i just finished upgrading priarm EoP to the max. but then again, i'm not a competitive player. so it's fine by me right now.

[@ballsoccers]

which one did better?

[@armageddonarms7003]

Good job bro You deserve like and sub

[@NyllHzri]

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[@obihz2415]

You still can farm a mag and craft the mag into the EOP pri

[@mint779]

See this video just right after salvaging a dupe EoP for blue slippers to max 7T pri 😭😭

[@keiidt]

me watching this video when i don't even have the base form of echo of paradise

[@zaneaulner4333]

I hope there will be banner for Handel and EoP,so I can gacha on them. I love Eden so much, she is best for every lightning DPS I have, so I'll go for her weapon and stigma

[@isazainal778]

Whenever I got eden's gun back in the days of her release, ai chan being so generous that she gave me 5 of her guns and now she got a pri arm that won't work on other lighting dps! Well thank you for telling this or else I would waste my resource of making my only gun a pri arm

[@zinxoid]

I would've had thought of this I was so ready to pri-arm my guns, thanks a lot, I don't have aponia so no point.

[@floofyspirit]

It's a good thing I'm saving a lot for the future Herrschers coming up...

[@Shinofey]

Good info, thanks alot

[@crustacean78]

Great BGM choice!! Love touhou music

[@anime13master]

Day one and regret it. They mess up with Tranquil Rhapsody before, I think they won't make same mistake again. But... huh.... Hope we can get Echo of Paradise in BP shop in the future.

[@Ennnne]

cool, my four dupe eden weapons will finally come in handy

[@daisyjeanpanta1695]

Thanks for the information and now Im relieved that there's no need for me to grind mats for pri arm since I don't have Aponia.

[@RoccusTerminal]

I'm still doubtful. Between the dmg Eden gains for making it PRI and Turg Extension thx to the PRI active and Main Active, I'm sure the dmg output should be far greater. I understand that the notes will proc turg like 3s earlier (time for doing Fischl QTE = Eden QTE the HoT QTE in) but with the hit count extension it should be equivalent. I think it requires way more testing than what you showed. New weapon means that the rotation should be changed to accomodate the new effects and optimize DPS, doing it as if it was only QTE proc que EoP won't do. I like the diversity it procures though. In you HoC example (I know you couldn't do much more because of some Beta restriction I imagine) you use HoTr as support who has a long rotation requiring the weapon proc at first, what would happen if you used Fischl by firing only 1 Arrow + QTE for both? Also considering the notes have a 18s CD and the bonus provided by the PRI version are higher than the 5* version. Wouldn't the possible lack of dmg be recovered by the overall dmg gain during the next 18s? I don't mean to say you're wrong, you make some good point and I thought about it for a bit but I think we would need way more tests. I'd suggest that everyone wait for some pro runs to make up their mind except if they play Aponia as Thunder DPS or the Support Team. What do you think?

[@NyllHzri]

Yes, it's fine Tbh I did spend another 2 hours testing between turg and jst with both hotr and pv, and what I conclude from both is that with echo pri, it does more dmg compared to normal pri because with echo pri early turg proc, it buffs pv ultimate and hotr ultimate But I decided not to put in a video because that stuff is way too complicated and I just just want to give rough idea why pri is not good idea Echo pri is mostly concern for endgame player, so yes ppl will find new strat which can work with echo pri, I'm not saying echo pri is bad because it certainly buff up eden dmg since she can do good chunks of dmg as well, it just messes up turgenev timing so if player is casual, they probably will do lot worse and just smash everything That's why I recommend ppl to at least keep the original echo and if they still insist to make pri, better use another gacha pistol like unused kikaku to make eop pri This is basically tranquil arias over again where the base weapon is good for elemental dps but the pri version only good for 6s herself Thanks for insight, I appreciate it

[@NyllHzri]

Also about fischl, there's alr a strat in cn bili2 where GD is using echo pri and still get pretty amazing score

[@darkrse689]

Hmmm, I rarely get gun dupe, maybe I'll wait until kiana's banner to pri EoP if I get HoFi dupe weapon

[@simpoftunality]

Thank you Hazu. Thank goodness I have a kikaku lying around

[@RockOrso2]

If I still have my spare HoV gun, I'm good having both variants of EoP, but I'm screwed since this video didn't exist when I sold it for extra Honkai shards.

[@RockOrso2]

Update: DEFINITELY sold my spare HoV gun BUT I have a lvl. 50 Hyper Railguns to sacrifice for the EoP PRI-ARM since KMB is out of meta and isn't in any of the team comps I like to use since yatta is the new BIO leader & Griseo remains the Physical team leader for extra SP.

[@rai_B.W]

thanks for the warning, but it seems that most players have the "JUST DO IT" guidelines and don't use the most correct combos like me. (one weapon support to help all DPS, whether it's Aponia or HOT) hehe, just my opinion

[@joshuawang3154]

Well I have Aponia, so this is a win win

[@projectsuiren]

Great video, very informative whel

[@NyllHzri]

u

[@lim3020]

does it still work with HOT equip on Benares while Eden equip with Handel since I am lazy to swap stigmata around?

[@NyllHzri]

Ye

[@Evitzeoshowerthoughts]

Ah yes the one time the feature where you can craft PRI arms with other weapons as long as you have the base form is useful

[@aldyzero6676]

Then there's me, a f2p who only have my Eden equipped with Senti divine key pistol and Margrave/Elysia Paragon set.

[@yebycz1018]

Im gonna upgrade it anyway bcs i use handel on her and dont need to worry about that

[@rhapsody85]

I think i deconstructed a couple of those guns, i guess that will teach me xD But i dont even bother to stay in 7% bracket so i uess it doesnt matter, just for sweaty players xD

[@GreenSpyro]

Can someone explain it in stupid? I get that pre-priarm is slower in doing dmg which gives time for something, what i don't get is why you want more time.

[@artessf2340]

how about equipping Margrave on Eden?

[@NyllHzri]

No effect

[@artessf2340]

@@NyllHzri do you mean Margrave still works even with EoP PRI?

[@NyllHzri]

Yes, margrave is ult, not on hit

[@artessf2340]

Okay, tysm for your video!!

[@aryanrawat112]

What about Eden on Handel with HoTr and HoO? Should you pri-arm your weapon then or leave it?

[@shaanbhaker2875]

Lightning is my strongest built team. I have full gear mobius, 3/4 aponia, 7thunder for HoT. They all fully priarmed. I have full set zhenyi but dont have fischl bow. Full gear eden, full gear fallen rosemary. Both eden and fr are ss. More recently I finally was able to get klein ( only 2 stars tho). I think i will priarm eden weapon because i only really use eden with aponia team, i use fallen rosemary and fischl for mobius and HoT. I only have one full set of handel so I usually put it on HoT when i use her. Really wanna build physical team but i dont have HoS😭 ( im level 88 aswell) or any geared dps or supports. Ice is my only other team thats decently built. i use turg and margrave for sushang and pardo. Elysia has her bow fully priarmed but im using full set welt on her coz i didn’t get her stigmatas🥲. Fire i have nothing for lol, i dont have HoF, Ae, or Dea (ik she old now), i only have raven w aslaug b😭.

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

since im still mainly running HoT as Lighning Deeps i shouldn't use it hmmm...shame i was realy looking forward to it, hope Mihoyo can fix this so it doesn't trigger turg

[@inari.gaming]

And I was wondering if I was too stupid to get the timing right against BKE with EoP PRI ^^' It is possible but harder so I just used her normal weapon 🙃

[@mousysaint9143]

How does EoP work with FR then? I would've thought it would extend turg duration, not reduce it tbh.

[@NyllHzri]

Same thing, mess up timing

[@velioona9835]

I already got 2 or more (idk, I forgot) EoP, I will PRI it

[@JasonMerrillGCC]

in the HoC demo it looks like HTR wep note applies turg at :02, you QTE to GD at :10, and turg drops off at :15 for the end of HT combo, which seems consistent with fully-extended 12s turg as we would expect from 20 GD hits. But when it's applied by HTR wep note, it should be 8s, so at :10 it was just about to drop off; if you delay GD QTE slightly I'd think she could reapply instead of extending and then you'd get the same turg duration for HT as with non-PRI Echo?

[@JasonMerrillGCC]

For PV I guess you want to QTE to GD right after PV wep+QTE for 10s Turg, should still leave about the usual 8s for HT.

[@NyllHzri]

That 12s extended doesn't work like that Every 6 hit by the host or summoned entity extend the duration for only 2s, so if you want to extend to 12s, GD need to hit 36 times That's the problem GD notes passive from echo pri only 10 hits, while QTE with echo is 7 hits, the hunter mark is only 6s and turgenev is explosion based application and it doesn't apply like newton and the explosion cooldown is 8s I did several test with it and yes, slightly delaying gd qte or hotr combo atk does refresh the turg, but the issue comes back when you do 2nd rot, since hotr switch form faster so I have try delaying few seconds and no, sacrificing few score just to get turgenev reproc is just not worth it, normal pri is much easier But don't get me wrong, echo pri is still okay pri unlike rhapsody, just understand that it literally mess up timing, that's why I recommend ppl to keep original eop and if they still want eop pri, use another gacha pistol to do so

[@shinhikaru]

My 7 Key of Radiances now have a purpose 🤣

[@fabbae215]

hello is this still true after HOTR?

[@NyllHzri]

No, eop pri is safe to pri

[@JohnSmith-ol3xc]

​@@NyllHzriis this true again after Luna?

[@hyou_ta]

Okay at least I can save some pri arm mats

[@Frostyknight627]

Me who doesn't even have og Echo of Paradise: 🗿

[@nahash4177]

I only have Mobius as DPS (full geared), so for her whay EoP is better? (My Eden is SSS, full geared)

[@NyllHzri]

normal, pri is exclusive only for aponia

[@iron2000]

Woah high level play. I'm not there yet.

[@alifraihan7319]

How about Eden with Fu hua Margrave stig ? Is it fine to get PRI-ARM EOP ? Because in this video, I only see Eden with turg and JST stig.

[@NyllHzri]

eden with margrave is different story since 3 set is proc on ult turg and jst is proc by hit, that's why I focused both of it in the video still won't recommend pri arm your only eop, just use another gacha pistol if u still insist

[@ThundahPrime]

that's actually bullshit... Eden finally gets a PRI after being the only FC without one and then THIS happens

[@arialan8953]

question, well this affect eden/the team negatively if she has 3 pc handel? from one ive seen, all of the tests were done using turg

[@NyllHzri]

Handel no, can use just fine since it proc on ult, not hit

[@arialan8953]

@@NyllHzri thanks!

[@waksligs4444]

Me who PRI-ARMs every weapon in sight. Jk but fr still gonna upgrade it because my Eden's on Full Handel anyway

[@kurinikuri8004]

Huh, my luck of getting 2 eop doesn't seem so bad now.

[@rivennii-sama700]

About the stigmas for Eden, is 3pc set of Fu Hua Margrave also usable for her ? Cause the 60/125 sp at once might also ruin the rotation right ?? PS (Edit) : I see margrave as 2nd turgenev.

[@NyllHzri]

ult and passive hit is 2 different things margrave has nothing to do with eop note passive, so yes it won't ruin rotation even so, it's better to just keep original eop and pri arm using another gacha pistol if u still want eop pri

[@hashakahwantstorepent.4176]

I mean if it increases dmg I'll do it since she is one of the characters I have the signature weapon for .

[@henriirawan2645]

Lucky I have some unused gacha pistols 👍.. Btw, is it necessary to max this eop pri? Or just leave it at lvl 50. 🤔

[@NyllHzri]

Assuming u have aponia, then yes max, but 50 is still fine

[@dashii4305]

Me who doesn't have her weapon: Interesting...

[@stewuaintfud]

Is this the same case if I'm using full Handel set on Eden? Pri-arm or base?

[@NyllHzri]

No, handel can use pri arm just fine, I advise ppl to use another weapon to make eop pri and don't use base eop to make pri, but it's ur choice

[@anibalscott]

I’m glad they finally gave Eden a pri weapon after so long. They should’ve given her one with her release

[@marink3677]

does the notes not extend turg duration?

[@NyllHzri]

it does extend but by the time your dps enter the field, you only have around 4-5s worth of turg duration compared to original 8s with normal eop, means you lose 3s worth of buff and mess up dmg, refer to HoC run in the video

[@marink3677]

@@NyllHzri ahh okay ,thanks

[@KazumaHayazaki]

If that so, then what about Herrscher of Origin? Pri - Arm EoP is much better for HoO in terms of DPS and Convenience?

[@NyllHzri]

I don't follow cn beta so idk

[@nastiiarz223]

Since I main aponia & hot I'll just have 2: pri arm for aponia and normal for turg build

[@adefahriza6353]

Thanks bruh

[@Zliarx]

Jokes on you I use Handel stig on my Eden and the Pri arm of EoP on her and still get to the top 5 in Superstring Dimension and memorial arena. No aponia btw.

[@novaxlii901]

Well, I’m still in Lvl 80. I dont really see much reason to breakthrough, and I’m able to clear most things with what I have.

[@nguyentuanhai502]

Which means I should craft/dupe another gun and pri-arm it to EoP instead. Stronks.

[@ranieleulloran5299]

Between Kikaku and Mjolnir, which is safer to use for EoP PRI?

[@NyllHzri]

mjolnir probably super niche for ma but kikaku has almost no use

[@aldyzero6676]

@@NyllHzri old Kikaku meta is used to trigger Mei pool M and Newton B off-field

[@goodemployeeresignation5115]

that not right Mei pool party, Newton and Jinshengtan it to short duration for meta. This PRI-ARM can trigger Turgunev. use Turgunev T, Tesla band M,Turgunev B can support every thunder cahracter 100% uptime cause mei, mobius, aponia have weapon skill they can trigger Eden PRI-ARM.

[@dayfe9933]

wow never know that hoyoverse make a mistake again on pri arm weapon

[@elygiaochu]

Nice video but if i use full handel on eden then does this pri-arm matter anything?

[@NyllHzri]

No, handel with pri arm is fine

[@zZz-kk8pv]

I'm ready😀

[@Ram_And]

nice info, I'll probably just use my dupe pistol to craft the PRI then

[@overhitempest]

ternyata tidak semua senjata harus pri-arm, sama seperti kasus 6S, btw o7 Captain !