Why You STILL Can't Swing...

[@samulitarula]

"It's not DagadagadagaDagadaga, it's a buDig-a-gonk-a-gonk-EH-shampo-dugudubi-ududi-shigadobu-tsugga-unka-unka-unka-untsikuga, eh, a-tsuga, dunka-dunka-gangga-gangga-gang, tsangga-gang, ga-gang, ga-dunka-gang, thats different."

[@nagaten6350]

Getting the right swing feel really does depend on getting the right articulation for it, more than focusing on the rhythm "definition" of swing.

[@magicanna4289]

Quote of the year😂 but so true

[@RadicalTrivia]

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[@MarcPlaysDrums]

BRO TELL THE TRUTH!!!!!! Sheeesh.

[@jazzupthattriad1257]

I'm always a little perplexed, how some people still vibe with the Wynton school of "modern day jazz purism" - as in just basically playing tribute straight ahead jazz, where you're not evolving jazz further in terms of sound choice, form or concept - which is what Miles started to do already over 50 years ago. Like go see Herbie live today, and hear what he's doing in terms of jazz. Like I get it that 50's bebop and 60's hard bop is cool n' all, but sheesh... You can do so much far out thangs in the the framework of black american music (=jazz). We don't need another Cannonball Adderley or Sonny Rollins tribute outing, cos' lord knows how many there are and have been already, With all love of course!😎 Peace my youngins

[@TitoSilversax]

@@jazzupthattriad1257 solid statement. there should be a solid effort by jazz musicians to keep jazz from crystalizing like classical music has.

[@michaeldavis9954]

Glad you brought up the dancers. The best thing I ever did for my swing rhythm was learning to Lindy Hop. The swing dance culture was also a total blast: positive energy like nothing else.

[@Semicolon42]

Yeah! Hello fellow swing dancer! I’m learning piano, and having learned lindy hop first has been great for my rhythm on the piano!

[@willyjoe3000]

I bought a kit after jazz school years ago and used to do exactly that. Just play time, nothing fancy for hours and hours. Completely changed my guitar playing, feel etc.

[@magicanna4289]

The way Patrick is so gentle with that little umbreon on the piano when playing just made my day :D

[@AMTunLimited]

I remember the first time I got thrown behind drums add our local jazz jam. We only had two jazz drummers local, one of them was out, and the other had to go to the bathroom and for some reason just assumed I could play drums. I had an absolute blast and it really did teach me a ton about feel and dynamics especially

[@didishufford7765]

the way I genuinely started geeking out when you brought out the sticks. A very potent masterclass 🎶🎵

[@janismillers5344]

Could also mention Dexter Gordon. Triplet feel? Nah. Swinging? Hell yes.

[@nootwithana]

My introduction to jazz was when I got my first bass in highschool, that’s all I played in a jazz band until the end of my undergrad when I finally started playing trumpet. It helped my rhythm so much

[@julianferrer5786]

Yes

[@rudolfboukal1538]

Brilliant presentation and insight. Get the beat in your body - and .... you ain't feeling it if your trapped in thinking about it. Thank you ! Also, great tip on practicing a beat for fifteen minutes a day.

[@nathanhavey1]

great video! i feel that the same can be said for piano to learn changes more thoroughly. not only is it good ear training to become familiar with the chords, voicings, and comping styles, but it forces you to think about the music from someone elses perspective instead of being caught up in your own. i'm a drummer myself and i work on bass lines from time to time because i know my role as a drummer isn't just to play rhythms/time

[@matthewschwartz6486]

11:41 This is exactly what I keep telling my students. You can't learn how to SPEAK a language if you're only reading it. You have to hear people speaking it. The reading helps of course, but you have to know how words and sentences sound first.

[@handdancin]

its all about it becoming so automatic and steady you forget its even there

[@sebastiannai4381]

Swing is a feel, and it you approach it from an academic place it is lost. Swing is best in the street, where feel is king. Academia is cerebral, a place where administrators profit as dream merchants, selling out the music and the children for a steady paycheck and health insurance. You can play behind the beat as a natural feel born of deep passion and expression; or because some school person tells you that's the way They both may produce a similar sound, but the content is starkly different, real vs impostor. Jazz at it's peak was a street music. The few that could had the natural talent and didn't need school administrators and student debt to get there. All they needed was inspiration, albums, a place to shed, opportunities to play with talented mucisians. Teachers organically came into their path without the cost and constriction of school administrators.

[@WiseFool888]

I love transcribing by ear the old records as closely as possible, i learn so much by doing it, will have to focus on rhythm practice sessions to get the feel right. Thanks for the video from Australia! 🎉

[@blow-by-blowtrumpet]

Preach brother! I can hear when people are playing "visually" and it sounds exactly like you demonstrated here. Some people get annoyed when I tell them to learn by ear not from a sheet but like you I always think "When did learning by ear become controverial?". It's very much a cart-before-the-horse situation.

[@bluessax5089]

Digging this video, and I agree about the triple for swing, not being what it is. I personally do believe that the triplet feel is more particular for blues. Whenever I hear Albert King play a good slow blues, It feels like a waltz.

[@WillAldrich-Music]

Yes.

[@tobiasfatherbornkingthejed1344]

I just told my boy the other day every musician should learn drums. You are correct.

[@tobiasfatherbornkingthejed1344]

You sharp on that piano too. Word.

[@Ve55el]

Dude, that Antonio Hart cd is my childhood. I looooved that CD in highschool. As an alto player it was him and kenny garrett.

[@cooldebt]

Thanks Pat for some great insight into learning how to swing (especially if you are from a classical background) and the impact of listening - @13:21 sounds exactly like my classical piano teacher mum thinking about what's written in the page (sorry Mum). I can now also justify the desire to get a drum kit 😉

[@rockinon011]

Learning swing dance helped me with this as a guitarist. First thing they teach you is how to pulse.

[@littlehandplaying630]

wow he's playing keys too 😮

[@jsem94]

Fuck yes Patrick.

[@Balkanoscent]

I love this video and your stories, thank you so much for this huge knowledge you are giving us and this nice records . what you're saying is valid for traditional music also.. about dance and dancers.

[@LiamAnderson-kw7mp]

That stream was 🔥pat is always preachin

[@magohipnosis]

I was a drummer for 8 years before taking trumpet and it made everything easier

[@handdancin]

you play lines that imply the changes, so you have to know the changes. but your lines also imply the time, so you HAVE to know the time. you cant imply something that you dont have.

[@effsixteenblock50]

Spittin FACTS! People want to shoehorn everything to fit into the Western way of thinking where everything is quantifiable and there must be a recipe to follow. It ain't like that - the truth is in the music! People lose their damn minds when they don't have some exact recipe and actually have to INTUIT the sh!t. Thanks Patrick for always telling the much needed truth!

[@vellikofon]

hey Patrick, love your videos, keep up the amazing work. I have a question for you(i am adrummer btw), at what point should someone stop practicing the swing with a metronome, and also for someone that was not raised in that music (i am from greece and i did not meet jazz until recently) how should i approach my practice in order not get a good swing feel (and not necessarily triplet feel).

[@PatrickBartleyMusic]

I think you should NEVER practice swing with a metronome! I practice swing with the records, on the bandstand, and to my own pulse! If it doesn't feel good, I'll know because it doesn't feel like my favorite records. So I'll do that order: Records > Self > Live Rinse and repeat. If you don't sound good live, go back to the records, then test it by yourself, and this cycle will help itself. Swing is never quantized. I don't believe in using metronomes for acoustic dance music.

[@vellikofon]

thanks a lot for your response, appreciate it. What you just said makes perfect sense to me, so i think that i should consider changing some things regarding my practice

[@AntonVittal]

Yea, early jazz rhythm feel is different from contemporary. Jonathan Stout talked about in his interviews how some players come to swing dance gig and comletely lack the autenthic feel, and most don't even take that perioud of jazz seriously.

[@a.j.nicoll477]

My professors called this Humpty Dumpty Syndrome

[@lukeherren5171]

"Ummm, I know you aint talkin to me!" -Sushi Swing Lamp

[@TreeintheQuad]

When he hops on the piano too i’m like DAMN save some funk for the rest of us

[@woolyd.436]

A PERSONAL ATTACK???

[@RafaFlugelhornBLOODOFJESHU-k8h]

when i changed mayor studies at pcpa i had never studied jazz like most that start early in elementary school and learn all the licks and tricks , i di classical studies and salsa or movie music, so jazz was a new thing i canr swing cause as much as i want too there a part of me that likes the weirdness of my 1 given talent , list and play play play specialy at home no one can tell you anything... just saying

[@Buckleupbucko]

The hard truth about jazz is that YOU WILL QUIT 😂

[@goldwhite6727]

モス

[@jomwatches]

You can notate feel, but it would just be information overload to the musician.

[@enriconolasco8124]

If we aint real, who will

[@marselmusic]

i alr knew youd say drums when i saw the sticks! ngl my timing got better after switching to kit in the pandemic also man i miss seeing your tweets so much .. i hope you are doing better these days 🙏🏾

[@nagaten6350]

umbreon plushie ♡

[@TheArtofBlues]

If you’re a guitar player play along to james brown. Thatll cure everything

[@TheArtofBlues]

The Real Whiplash. You're welcome

[@SP35640SNAKE]

Yo you teach private lessons?

[@UkuleleAversion]

5:24 Just as the video was about to finish lmaooo

[@jukesjointOG]

Preach!!!!

[@future62]

Humans love patterns and formulas but unfortunately a lot of skills just require feel and experience. We gotta stop with the galaxy brain shortcuts..... it's not easy, but it's not complicated either.

[@bobbachelor5930]

Bro, every musician has his OWN sense of time, rhythm, and swing. It's DNA, just like every one's unique finger prints. Either you like their time and rhythm, or you don't. This is why musicians gravitate toward certain musicians who have similar time as themselves. And It's ok.

[@PatrickBartleyMusic]

This is what everyone says to me and I'm tired of it. This is why I never talk in public at rehearsals anymore. No one wants to be open to new perspectives from other musicians that did the exact same homework, if not MORE, that they did. It's a cop out. It's absolutely NOT "DNA". That's ridiculous to me. It's not my DNA that I'm able to swing like 50 different musicians if I listen to them all and study them all. That's because I put in my homework and don't slack on the details. I refuse to accept someone having a "natural time feel" as an excuse for their inability to hear and execute details. Someone once told me, "if you don't like my time feel, don't call me", and that's exactly what I do. If I'm looking for original music, I can call anyone and just accept what they're doing; if I'm calling an ACTOR for a role in a PLAY, are we going to simply accept a good actor that just "has their own accent/DNA", or are we going to call someone who can match the required accent and feel of the role? I'm picking the latter. Playing music from 80 years ago is an acting job. Period. If you aren't trying to play like 80 years ago, then just say it. If you watch the video, you'll see the part where I say "I just want people to be honest, and say 'this is my version of the song'."

[@PatrickBartleyMusic]

You aren't "born" with a time feel, that's ridiculous. That's absolutely asinine and I'll never accept that. You're not born with an accent, you're not born with a language. It's all learned. And, just like language, some people can speak more than one. That's all I'm going to say anymore.

[@nates5110]

I was here. Also I had a jazz tour today with my school band and 1st tenor did a Ikema781 lick

[@clalimit5077]

Damn this is such a crucial point damn you're givin out everything

[@lsmith869]

😂😂 so true

[@willyjoe3000]

I bought a kit after jazz school years ago and used to do exactly that. Just play time, nothing fancy for hours and hours. Completely changed my guitar playing, feel etc.

[@KnzoVortex]

YT duplicated your comment lol