Why Young Women Are More Woke

This is a clip from tomorrow's podcast with Eric Kaufmann. In it, he and Dr. Peterson discuss the current definition of "woke" and why young women tend to align themselves with this ideology.
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[@davidcarp1034]

Being a woke woman is like being member of a club where you are always right and you have seemingly unlimited support by your peers. Support that manifests as social lynching and cancelling of people who threaten their cult.

[@cmleibenguth]

GSR -- gossiping, shaming, rallying + seemingly endless empathy and oxytocin

[@drlca6601]

and it seems so silly and even non-threatening at first... but it's been systematically, and actively destroying the vulnerable, generous Anglosphere for fifty years and at an accelerated rate for ten straight years, which not only threatens to annihilate the fruits of the Enlightenment and classical liberal democracies, but also engulf the world in eternal totalitarianism, when whatever replaces the Balkanized West/Global North is inevitably worse (1984 or CCP.) This would be a world where freedom of speech doesn't exist, the scientific method is curated by neomarxists, property rights are subject to the state's fluid interpretation, mobs are even stronger and more numerous than they already are, all economies are centralized by impenetrable oligarchies, which devolve into mercantilist policies. The craziest thing isn't that these radical leftists exist, or even seemingly sprung up out of the woodwork when Trump was elected, but that the MODERATE LEFT COMPLETELY EVAPORATED *O V E R N I G H T* on election night in November 2016. Imagine if any more moderate sphere just disappear like that. What will we be left with? As someone who was raised on the moderate left and was a proud liberal until 2016 when I saw radical leftists strut into court and sit on the throne UNCONTESTED due to COWARDICE, which was exhibit A and exhibit B was twisting all of the left's positions into a sort of reverse-McCarthyism. Hundreds of years of moral progressive ideology erased in what feels like was less than a month. I would be more sad if I wasn't honestly terrified of what happened. I'm not scared of radical leftist, but I am scared by how fast literally TENS OF MILLIONS OF LIBERALS across the anglosphere just suddenly decided they were going to cede their morality, ideology and history to a bunch of postmodernist deconstructionist mobs.

[@Derzull2468]

@jbtechcon7434 Open your eyes, remove the race lenses and look around. Wokeness has a globallist agenda, it's not ethnically limited, quite the contrary.

[@sveng35]

@@jbtechcon7434 Being white is definitely not a prerequisite when it comes to being woke...

[@tonyrmathis]

@@sveng35 No but it is an indicator of motivation. Guilt for whites. Advantage for PoC.

[@dementiawavin1587]

"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy." - George Orwell, 1984

[@marteumar8429]

Which makes me think Eric’s theory is closest to the truth than Jordan’s one. I don’t think it’s biological I think women will just team up with the strongest narrative of the moment no matter what it is

[@archentity]

@@marteumar8429 If men aren't doing this at the same rates, then it IS biological. What else does this difference arise from?

[@Captain_Guts7]

@@marteumar8429 If it's not biological, why is it expressly female?

[@AnthonyRusso93]

In context within the book Winston was wrong. He later finds out Julia is just as critical of IngSoc as he is. Then they screw a ton before eventually O'Brian sniffs them out by pretending to be against the party as well. Which I think is what is a more demonstrable plot point. O'Brian was totally full of it he was like hey Julia and Winston I'm WOKE and then Winston and Julia were like oh wow we trust you completely then as we are also WOKE AF

[@marteumar8429]

@@Captain_Guts7 🙄 haven’t you watched the interview? Women aren’t biologically tilted to be woke or leftist, they are biologically tilted to side the majority or social morality. JP’s theory is that women are woke because wokism is maternalistic, he thinks wokism biological manifestation of female nature, whereas Eric’s theory is that women will side ANY ideology as long as it is predominant, prestigious and held as moral in society. One example is that back in the days women used to be more conservative than men, when being conservative was seen as morally superior, another example is George Orwell, 1984, they would defend literal brutality and extreme tyranny, because that was the dominant narrative.

[@thistledownealli]

Because they don't think independently and are easily influenced by others. My Dad was always telling me to "THINK!", "FOCUS!", and to not be influenced by others - actions have consequences.

[@nschlaak]

Mine said similar words "Don't be a follower, be a leader." Too many people will go along to get along. It took me a long time to leave the follow group and enter the leader group. You have an excellent parent.

[@asahearts1]

If enough people nearby said the sky was green, they would believe absolutely that the sky was green.

[@Level_Eleven]

@@nschlaakFather. She has an excellent father. Why did you choose to dance around that word like that?

[@cyberspace7208]

Exactly

[@Nancy-uc2tu]

I completely agree. They remind me of the Borg (Star Trek Next Generation). No independent thinking. They are part of the whole. Independent thinking is frowned upon.

[@tylerwest519]

Dated a girl who was in college for 6 years and it was hell. Every time anything bad was mentioned she would blame the “patriarchy” it was exhausting and she didn’t even know what she was talking about, she would just spit out these talking points. She thought the Supreme Court was all white men until I had to pull up all of them on their website and show the 4 women on a 9 person Supreme Court. This is just one example of the ignorance I dealt with. She told me about all her professors and them teaching her about all white people being subconsciously racist and that black people could not be racist. It’s insanity, we have an indoctrinated problem from our professors and teachers that needs to be stopped

[@markwoods1530]

i can only imagine that you put up with her for a very good reason?

[@Laowu1898]

97% of Harvard faculties are liberals - what do we expect?

[@dannes22]

She must've had the looks of a supermodel with a brain like that.

[@frankshannon3235]

@@markwoods1530There could be only one reason.

[@itzhakbentov6572]

Please cut this guy some slack. Relationships are multifaceted.

[@buckhorncortez]

WOKE:(adj) A state of awareness achieved by those dumb enough to find injustice in everything but their own behavior.

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Suffragettes

[@Whosdwht2who]

That was perfect

[@DundG]

@@Whosdwht2who This definition can be flipped to many who critizise woke, for example those who rage against "woke" comic books etc. Or am I wrong?

[@solidstehl9546]

Some please explain how this isn't the definition of narcissism...? Just asking

[@Derzull2468]

@solidstehl9546 Sure, narcissism already has a definition, go look it up before continuing to use the word as your go-to buzzword for a lack of vocabulary.

[@SydneyCarton2085]

I am a brown latino male and virtually every white girl who I had to interact with at university confided to me that they "hate white people". I left confused and then suspected that these same women would be hating other races if they were in Nazi germany. It is natural to love your own but they see it as all or nothing. Just because the Japanese love their kind and culture does not mean they have genocidal tendencies towards others without provocation. In any case, as terrible as the holocaust was, I find it far more disturbing to hate your own than to hate out-groups IF you are going to hate anyone.

[@tallspicy]

You clearly don't know the history of Japanese. Ask the Koreans how they feel about the murder and imposed name changes and such. Please know your history before you say things like that.

[@tallspicy]

The Japanese were murderous violent people who subjigated both the Koreans and Chinese with violence and cultural decimation. Find another example cause this one shows your ignorance.

[@mortuitissedai2085]

@@tallspicy His point still stands man. While it's certainly true that the Japanese military committed atrocities in the name of ethno-nationalism during WW2, that doesn't contradict the assertion that national pride =/= militant ethnic superiority. Besides, if the Japanese were still this way, then Johnny Somali wouldn't be doing so well at this moment.

[@tallspicy]

You sound like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. The Japanese were murderous amongst themselves and towards others for hundreds of years. Hundreds. It makes the commentary mean nothing and undermines the point.

[@Jenrasp]

I’m white and never hated myself or anyone white. Most I know don’t hate white people it’s usually liberals that have a problem with white people simply bc they are white

[@condew6103]

Nobody who whines about the rights of "indigenous people" is ever concerned about the indigenous people of Europe and the UK.

[@josephgriffin2388]

It's like dealing with blacks. There's ALWAYS some injustice they will interject, to get ANY advantage. Weather it be financial, social. IT'S ALL BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS.

[@frequentlycynical642]

And who were these people? The record shows that only the Neanderthal were native to Europe. Homo Sapiens arrived from Africa and displaced the Neandertal because they were smarter and better hunters.

[@condew6103]

@@frequentlycynical642 I see, so you would see the native tribes of Europe replaced by African invaders on behalf of an extinct species? And the Neanderthal were not native to Europe, they were just the first wave of immigrants. For that matter, the native tribes everywhere other than Africa were just the first wave of immigrants.

[@frequentlycynical642]

@@condew6103 As I asked, who exactly was there before the Neanderthals?

[@wednesdayschild3627]

Did you ever see the Solutrean hypothesis? That theory has been shut down.

[@kayeallen2742]

My girls went to a Canadian Ivy league University, they were not taught, nor allowed to think. As if they wished a decent grade they had to show they believed the woke agenda, and as Breath requirements classes were also required to graduate. These political classes were masked as necessary and the more essays written, the gap widened between myself and them. Now they have no contact with me as I am the Problem, as their mother I am more conservative and every Ism and Istic they could label me, they did. I loved them through this, and realize now it wasn’t another phase. Now I wish I had never sent them to this indoctrination institution.

[@JamFlexx]

Praying for you. As previous commenter said, hopefully they come around. It took me 25 years to truly love my mother with my whole heart.

[@billstrasburg384]

What a terrible scenario. The socialists always need to undermine the nuclear family and the bonds within it to push their agenda. Both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union encouraged children to snitch on their parents. We've got to figure out how to bring back religion and reject socialism and cultural Marxism in our society. People naturally have faith in a system of some kind. If they don't have religion, they will create an epistemological structure out of the dumbest things in the world.....like the utterly ridiculous idea of anthropogenic climate change.

[@justinbuddy56]

If you don’t mind sharing (I also understand if you don’t for privacy’s sake), which Ivy League school was this?

[@loverofhumanity]

how old are they? I think they will come around tbh. I had a complicated relationship with my dad who was pretty abusive. I don't want to really get into details because I've moved on but it was as bad as you could be tbh. In my 20's this affected me greatly but as I got older, I understood that people are who they are. Just like I'm a certain disposition, so is my dad. They may never want a relationship with you, perhaps you did have tendencies that could come off to their naive mind as something they couldn't understand. Maybe you thought they were just innocent jokes or moments but they took it to heart. And, perhaps you're correct that they are just brainwashed. Who knows, really? That's the thing we dont really know what others are thinking and most people don't have the bravery to be fully honest and open about how they feel about you. They simply just ghost you and you have no idea what you did that was so horrific.

[@SuicidalChocolateSK]

So, your kids got an education and youre upset they learned and are now against you as a self professed conservative? Sounds about right to me. If you voted trump, then im starting to think your kids were probably in the right.

[@stephk5255]

Idealism over realism is a big problem right now.

[@symbiont2932]

=> Facts before morals

[@sandb1867]

@AnneDeo-uu9nb Only because "truth" is a subjective reality, whereas science is about discovering the inescapable objective reality (i.e., facts). Read the first chapter of "Sapiens" by Harari.

[@Edvanallen5151]

@AnneDeo-uu9nbJust another version of flat earth believer. Bet you think you can fly if you identify as a bird LMAO

[@Edvanallen5151]

@@sandb1867like ol Tyson said, everybody’s think their shet’s gonna work till they get punched.

[@Js-kt7sr]

​@@sandb1867 science can not explain or give reason everything happened, happening in this world. It is limited. Science is human way of understanding of things. And it can not explain human nature.

[@StimParavane]

Identifying as a victim allows you to absolve yourself of the consequences of your actions. This makes life a lot easier in a superficial way. One problem with this is that you just never change or grow, but if you assume you are perfect anyway then that's not a problem (in their minds).

[@lancewalker2595]

It's harder to realize the truth when the lies flatter your ego, much easier to call bullshit when the lie is a condemnation of your own humanity; so in the defense of women, the reason why young men are more aware than they are is because we had to develop our awareness because our nature as masculine beings has been under constant attack since early childhood.

[@contemplating1015]

This is so on the money👌

[@dreamingmusic3299]

That's the "under dog" narrative. "The under dog is morally right in their perceived self defense against their enemy"

[@tallspicy]

You don't even see the irony of what you wrote here of men playing victim to exactly what every other group has actually experienced for years. Poor things, they have to evolve and work just like the rest of us.

[@genesises]

@@tallspicy ??? what?

[@tsrocks2029]

I’m a woman and accepted long ago that other girls were never going to accept me. I was always bullied in school and rejected by most other girls my age. Even now most of my opinions make me too “prickly” to be friends with most other women. I’m blunt and honest, I think for myself , I don’t go with whatever the trend or popular opinion is, so for those reasons I can’t get along well with them. I think some women desperately want to be accepted so they just go along with things, they hate feeling rejected.

[@constrainedvision]

same here. I'm rarely in a large group of women, but when I am there isn't a diversity of opinion. They tend to go along with the leader of the group

[@spacecoyote55]

I have had a similar experience throughout life. I'm the odd chick. I wear what I like and get things done my own way. I don't like confrontation so- sooner than later- I quietly slink away from the female relationships I do end up in. It's especially hard in a workplace setting- I stay well away from women unless they are as odd as I.

[@TimL1980]

blunt and honest..... maybe you're a transgender man!😂😉👍🏻

[@christielongsdorf3597]

100 💯 percent correct

[@primetimeseal8616]

Sounds insecure. A lot of times I think they project their insecurity on men who are actually secure enough to not go along with the crowd.

[@truxton1000]

Women look upon themselves as morally superiour, defend the weakest etc etc. But in reality I remmember back at school when the largest bullies were actually the girls, not physically but mentally, boys could be rough and argue with each others but the next day it was forgotten. Not so with women, one argument and they would hold grudges more or less forever, and their methods was truly evil.

[@mikegalvin9801]

Years ago my sister got in trouble with her teacher (Woke hadn't been coined as a term but it was around already) by mentioning her older twin brothers (I was one) would fight like wildcats but twenty minutes later we were best buds again. Moreover we would always back each other up, period. Girls on the other hand would be best friends but if they ever fought that was over forever. Moreover they would backstab each other as naturally as we would stand behind each other right or wrong.

[@lunalee3021]

Why don't we stop making up fairy tales about women and blaming them for everything? These overly simplified stereotypes aren't helping anything. Sad Jordan Peterson is hopping on the bandwagon and making it worse. All the conservatives I used to respect turned so stupid (but I'm just going to "go along with the norm" and agree with them, right?)

[@PrinceoftheVioletFlame]

The funny thing is when I was a young teen i had a moral superiority complex thinking i was better then others. And the truth is I often hurt the weak and innocent due to it while thinking I was the good guy. i regretted it all my life that I was petty, judgemental and rejected kayla for stupid reasons. I committed long ago to be better. Only to find out that the majority of women are exactly like I was as a teenager, except most of them never grow out of it. It is just one of lifes many ironies.... and yes women can be unfathomably evil. there is a reason why the saying exists hell hath no fury like a women scorned.

[@Alexis-kg1sm]

@@lunalee3021 They are valid and common anecdotes. It is not necessary to believe them, everyone can search among those they know and the same trend will be verified in female group behavior.

[@lunalee3021]

@@PrinceoftheVioletFlame Stop lumping us in with your own issues. Weirdo

[@derekmcmurchie179]

"Misplaced maternal instincts" helps to explain it all. Once these women would have been looking after babies and small children and using up the reservoir of compassion and care within them naturally and not wasting it on Marxist-based malicious nonsense.

[@Personwithopinion]

hits the nail on the head

[@infinitydreamzz]

That is one aspect of this conversation, and the other aspect is that w will more readily accept and support the prevalent norm in society.

[@factsdontlie4342]

It's that combined with being easily manipulated (so, stupid in short). Even back in the garden of Eden, Eve was manipulated into eating the apple.

[@jrr570]

Yep!

[@TheControlBlue]

The best way you can make women advocate for Mass Migration is to show pictures of brown boys crying. Then seeing instead a massive amount of males, in reproductive age, and ready to fight, at best makes them neutral, at worst it presents the ultimate shit test they can throw at you. And now, the cheery on top. The best to make women NOT advocate for Mass Migration is to show pictures of young, pretty refugee women, of reproductive age, *actually* fleeing from war. They will fight for those women to stay at the border. If you understand that, you understand everything that happened in the last 20 years.

[@josephvlogsdon]

I think social media plays a large role. Young people are easily influenced by those around them. It used to be that you were just influenced by your immediate family and peers, which could be both a good and a bad thing, but now young people are susceptible to a sea of misinformation and sophistry. I don’t think it’s an accident that wokeism took off around 2013, the year smartphones became mainstream. My sister has become somewhat more left-leaning because of the environment she’s in on TikTok. Women also tend to be more agreeable, so they are more easily influenced than men.

[@hugodomingo3765]

This explains to me why some young ladies barely wear any clothes at the gym.

[@Diepvries11]

Oh boy, I do hope you see the irony of posting that on a jordan peterson video.

[@AdullFiddler-ez7tm]

Why it was stupid to lower the voting age to 18. They go with the crowd and are influenced by the daftest things.

[@PinkWaveGo]

Well said.

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

People are in general are incredibly vulnerable to social pressure, this trait is exceptionally prominent in your teens. Human development research shows that teens care almost exclusively what their peers think of them, combine this with parasocial relationships and marketing/messaging targeting particular demographics algorithmically (sex/race/religion/sexual orientation) and you get an extra nasty cocktail that results in viral cults. You're correct it isn't a coincidence smartphones accelerated the spread, and it's no coincidence that patient zero was California. Home to both Hollywood and Silicon Valley. It's the modern day jewish diaspora spreading christianity by founding churches in every city. Except this time the diaspora is in wireless airwaves, beaming Jesus and his cult following right into a little church in your pocket.

[@saltyvalkyrie]

As a middle aged female US Army veteran, I do not understand this frustration or hatred that the young women are having with men. I must be getting old. During my entire life, every man I’ve ever had to deal with in civilian or military life, all the fellas cared about was if I could do my part or job. I always got paid accordingly and advanced in my career based on my performance. I’ve never known a man who had the interest or even time to be “misogynistic “ . I just do not understand these younger women. Instead of bitching about inequality, I was raised to get after it and work my way to my goals. Just like the fellas have to.

[@Ruby_Villain]

Thank you for your service, friend 💛

[@maggiemerc7607]

As a older female (combat) veteran as well, applying one’s experiences to generalizations seems completely inaccurate. This problem is an escalation of social problems not dealt with and exploited by certain groups of our society for their personal political and economic agendas. On the back end of Postmodernism, and the erosion of moral values, younger generations have no solid ground to stand on and are easily manipulated. However, denying injustices, discrimination and violence against women is delusional. It is a complex problem but it is real. Recent scandals involving abuse against women and children, regardless of what is your source of news, support the reality that has garnered so much animosity from younger women. There is documented cases and policies put in place to deal with this social issue in both civilian and military settings. I can’t say that I am optimistic about improvements in the thinking of young women if there is no improvement about treatment of minorities. There many layers, socio economic, race, etc. Unfortunately, social media is an echo chamber of mostly half truths and a tool of distraction from weighty things and for the degradation of reasoning. Higher education has become a powerful cancer in many cases… just so many factors!

[@cucugeorge5783]

As a middle aged Romanian radiographer I can answer to some of topic. "Toxic patriarchy" is the motto. When I asked about "toxic matriarchy" or "human toxicity" WOKE goes feral. Just like the army, health have rules about discipline and teamwork. It's HARD work all the way. The young girls wants to cut corners because of WOKE or DEI. Different standard for the specials. All autocracy had this. It's sad that self mutilation is encouraged by the same people who think feminine and masculine are "social" constructs. Sexual perversions are encouraged (the game of pretending to be a fluffy pet is a sado-maso game) but sexual intimacy is banned and you will be cancelled.

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

They have an unhealthy distribution of hormones resulting in extreme amounts of personality trait neuroticism (sensitivity to negative emotion). Extreme amounts of fear over extended periods make them feel an overwhelming urge to try to gain power over their environment,. But because of their low testosterone levels they don't feel confident enough to compete/survive on an even playing field. They are basically terrified of men, especially rich men, and feel that they can't play fair in order to be safe from men. Even if I can scientifically prove it and have the political power to change it. Should I? What if the solution is we have to start socially engineering people's hormonal balances?

[@mcraft1181]

That's your experience. Some of these women have unresolved trauma caused by men in their life or childhood and think every woman must have had this past so they become radical feminist seeking justice in places that don't need it.

[@SkywalkerOne1977]

My wife took an English class in college where she was required to write why certain things were bad, without being asked if they were bad. You'd expect this from kindergarten, not college.

[@SoloRenegade]

I had a similarly framed class assignment once, and simply instead wrote about how the premise was false. got an A.

[@SkywalkerOne1977]

@@SoloRenegade Nice! That's a gamble for sure, but a welcome one!

[@SoloRenegade]

@@SkywalkerOne1977 not a gamble at all. I know how the college system works, and how to fight back. Logic, facts, and math. They can't refute science. Once college I was at almost lost accredidation becasue of a class I was in and the professor went too far and we pushed back. Professor was banned from teaching that class for a few years. just have to know the rules, understand science, math, logic, and reason, and remind the college what their purpose in life is. If they earn a bad reputation with employers, students wont enroll.

[@ashchaya7676]

@@SoloRenegade It's a relief to hear that your experience with colleges is that they "can't refute science". Seems like that could change at any moment with celebrity scientists being illogical and irrational these days.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@ashchaya7676 Science works, if you know how to use it properly. you have to understand the psychology of teh people you're up against as well, and know how to tailor your arguments to win against them. It can be done, it's just that most people don't know how to do it unfortunately. I earned a number of nicknames during my time in the military. Two of those nicknames were, "Data", and "Spock", from Star Trek, because of how logical and precise and analytical I am. I've also had two lawyers try to hire me over the years as well because they were so impressed with my argumentative skills. Sometimes it pays to be hyper logical and precise.

[@atenas80525]

"ideology tells you who to be compassionate to" - there's a profound statement there

[@4DIVID7]

That one hurts!!

[@tobybigham4196]

Compassion is nice, but it is also a double edged sword. Compassion might cause you to feed a man over and over again because they are hungry. But the only way to truly help that man is to teach him to feed himself!!! That is the bigger difference between true Liberalism and Wokeness. Feeding the man over and over again creates a reliance, thereby giving power over that person....

[@BornAgain223]

maybe compassion in some sort of vaccuum that excludes all other virtues, like discernment and wisdom. If you add in more virtues along with compassion then you often come up with a much better solution. Bring lunch on your fishing trip to teach the person how to fish, and in the meantime, share your lunch.

[@Jerbraska]

Indeed…someone tell that to the religious fundamentalists on the right too though💁🏻‍♂️

[@tobybigham4196]

@@Jerbraska Lumping everyone into a groups. You sound like a liberal trying to understand things that are above your ability. There are good church people and bad church people. And just about every color in between. You have people that do great things, and you have charlatans. Heck, I can't even go to a service at a church and find many groups that agree fundamentally with each other on most subjects. No one says you have to go to any church, but bad mouthing people you don't know makes you look pretty sad and desperate......

[@richardtardo5170]

The ideology didn’t creep in, teachers and professors imbued it from elementary school to college.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

Yes, just because they missed it doesn't mean it wasn't there in the 1990s

[@ValerieMajor]

I graduated from h/s in 2004 and that’s when the gentleman in the video said it really started showing up in 18-34 y/o’s, that they were more progressive. And man, my mindset leaving h/s was awful. It took the Lord and constantly renewing my mind to be transformed over time and praise God I was. I grew up in a conservative family but the school’s influence from elementary and on took over, because of the lack of participation from my parents. We are here because parents stepped back from taking charge of their kids schooling many many years ago…

[@SQron188]

Also, ideology doesn't just float in the air, like microbes, it has its "carriers" (or believers)...

[@pwit4186]

​@@ValerieMajorspot on.

[@thedukeofchutney468]

As a teacher if I may say while SOME are woke the problems come predominantly from the school board and not teachers. Most school boards are made of activists and Karens who have never been in a classroom and yet feel that they can make the rules for us.

[@jkkjeldsen8249]

I'm a female stoic and endorse this theory. Angela Merkel years ago was explaining her "no borders" policy for EU was due to her growing up in East Germany behind the wall. I remember thinking how silly and emotionally driven this was. Not well thought-out. The men all went along with this however.

[@edwardx.winston5744]

Even Merkel had simps. 🤦‍♂️

[@obviouslyasockpuppet]

​@edwardx.winston5744 I am a man with very strong convictions but even I know not to rush someone holding a gun. I don't think it's a good idea to publicly challenge someone who has the power to point state violence in your direction.

[@LordRykard9376]

Men follow because the West is largely feminized and gynocentric. Resisting institutions is what gets them in trouble, not resisting feminization.

[@lukefriesenhahn8186]

She has not been the best president. She has enforced cancel culture.

[@NAR-wv3sl]

The men were employees of the organisation she led. Men okay for the team or they’re dropped. Cancellation isn’t cultural is a systemic necessity. Hitler had followers whose job was to follow or die.

[@73challenger5031]

IMO, the turn started in the 90's, where male teachers and admin in the public school system were lost, for whatever reason. Boys acted like boys and the women in charge couldn't handle them so, they started labeling boys as hyper-active thus, started medicating them to comply. This has now destroyed masculinity for two, full generations. My son was an outgoing, rambunctious 8 year-old and that is exactly what they did to him. Unfortunately, it caused him to live the next 17 years with Grand Maul seizures until his death at 25. He was a beautiful boy that women destroyed.

[@BlueFish-kq9fh]

@73challenger5031 : Sorry to hear about your boy. My condolences, FWIW.

[@ludgerkres.1437]

As part of that group, even though I am not medicated or anything. My dad was once brought to school to have a talk with the teachers and principal. They said xyz and thought I was in the wrong. My dad, on the drive home asked me "did you think what you did was wrong?" As I think at the time I was mostly minding my own business and just happened to stumble into a situation where another kid was now threatening me. I told him "I didn't really do anything, I may have said something." He then replied: "do you believe you did the right thing?" I replied "Yes. I didn't do anything, I just like to mind my own business most of the time." He replied "yep, I figured you were like that. I'm not going to punish you for something that you didn't do, or someone else is trying to frame you." The other kid was trying to bully and pin it on me for by telling the school. My dad could have been harsh. Instead, he heard me out and he trusted my judgment if another was being the aggrivator.

[@Dipset415]

More like 2004 I was a junior when this Alphabet community stuff started getting pushed

[@alasidereal]

So you're blaming women because your son was born with an illness...

There was a big push for marriages to get divorced instead of staying together. I grew up hearing “kids are happy if their parents are happy”. Well, when marriages broke up then the fathers were legally removed from their children (moms almost all times get more custody time than fathers). So now you have children growing up without fathers. Boy became beta males since they didn’t have father figures to look up to and girls became deeply resented against men.

[@gus333]

Father and mother families are the cure to the woke society we live in

[@SnickC13]

​@@gus333thats not a cure for them

[@williamsporing1500]

Women raise children, men raise adults. I would LOVE to see the percentage of transgenders that were raised by single women. Of course, we’ll never see these statistics. One statistic that is easy to find is, a man raised by a single mother has somewhere around a 70% higher chance of ending up in jail.

[@-haclong2366]

​@@gus333 I know plenty of extremely Woke women with loving fathers, how children are raised also matters. Yesterday I met a woman who is highly educated and has a loving father, while her sister has a family she's in her 30's and still single. Fatherlessness is an effect of Wokeism rather than its main cause.

[@FupaTroopa69]

It’s also to drive the money to the hands of the spender.

[@mklik4]

He who is Compassionate to the Cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate

[@danascully1248]

What?

[@mklik4]

@@danascully1248 read it again. It's a fact

[@josephgriffin2388]

👍👍👍👍

[@thefalsehero]

@@danascully1248 Try using the gray matter in your skull for once in your life.

[@GhostScout42]

​@thefalsehero try not using an insult in every confrontation you create

[@jasmineosinski521]

Motherhood changes political priorities. You go from protecting all these external groups to protecting your children.

[@darylfoster7944]

20-40 year old single women are overwhelmingly liberal, and it's probably even higher for those who attended college.

[@SardonischerDean]

Well said

[@UBtagSoGood]

Never would have thought about it like that, great comment!

[@Quantalume]

Bingo! I believe that since young white women are having fewer children of their own these days, it leads to a misdirected protective instinct. If they did have their own children, they would see many of these so-called "marginalized" groups as threats.

[@SimonASNG]

Often they realize they need to protect their children FROM those external groups.

[@JutJemaacht]

Our daughter started out by the age of 14 to advocate for the (at the time) LGBT-movement in a High School group. She then soon identified as ‚gender fluid‘ and finally graduated HS with her self chosen asexual first name with some sense of embarrassment. She didn’t want to reclaim her given name as the teachers and fellow students had supported her for nearly four years. Fast forward to today: She turned more conservative, dresses more feminine and embodies more a homemaker than her female elders. It sure helped her to move away from her childhood friends. Generally, despite of all her name calling, accusations of being bigots, homo- and transphobe, we always knew, it was a phase. To all parents out there: There is a good chance that you’ll be able to have a meaningful relationship with your child once the phase has run its course.

[@HitoshiPenile]

It’s sad evil and crazy that young women are going through this in hordes these days. Something like 70% probably go through this phase at differing levels. Even highly religious women

[@keenanluciani5577]

I think much of this today has to be rooted in people looking for absolution from their own personal flaws and offenses. "Hey, it's okay if you're rude, lazy, ignorant, cruel, hateful, callous, capricious, or irrational. You're amazing, and you don't need to change a thing. All of your flaws come from the inherent flaws in our society, and the problems in your life are not your responsibility." I cringe at that idea, but to many it must be like someone offering them a mug of hot cocoa with extra marshmallows.

[@DNA350ppm]

But why is it OK to present male role models that are rude, lazy, ignorant, cruel, hateful, callous, capricious, or irrational, and still believe they are amazing, and 100% entitled to submissive wife and children, whom they can neglect? Just check wide-spread pop-culture and Tic Toc. Also check how little adult men protect society from such influencers.

[@keenanluciani5577]

@DNA350ppm I think if you'll read my comment again, you'll find I wasn't excusing men from anything, my friend. I'm no Andrew Tate fan, and I find just about every "influencer" distasteful. I don't believe anyone is entitled to anything, which is why I find the "none of my mistakes are my fault" narrative so poisonous. Everyone, regardless of what is between their legs, needs to accept responsibility for their mistakes, learn that blaming any demographic for the shortcomings of their life is ignorant and pathetic, and become productive members of a respectful society. They need to set a higher bar for people around them through their personal behavior and actions, rather than using the low bar as an excuse for being, frankly, weak losers.

[@DNA350ppm]

@@keenanluciani5577 I agree! Thanks for your clarification!

[@anwylhsm954]

@@DNA350ppm I have to say, I'm seeing a growing number of men on the right, the ones who think they're "red-pilled" who think exactly like this. And I think a lot of it IS Andrew Tate. There's a split in men on the right, it's like factions. There's the Jordan Peterson faction and the Andrew Tate faction. It's the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction. And probably an IQ issue, too, of course.

[@ysf-d9i]

and the root cause of this isn't communism like JP thinks. It's in western culture's obsession with freedom. Freedom will necessarily devolve into the freedom to be/do all of those things you listed.

[@seth4321]

I recently read 1984 and thought it interesting how the main character pointed out that it was the young women that towed the party line the most. Strange how this phenomenon isn’t new.

[@kongvinter33]

the worst prison guards in the concentration camps were the women. this was said by the prisoners themselves.

[@swk862ssu4]

You didn’t read it too carefully did you? He turned out be wrong

[@seth4321]

@@swk862ssu4 Oh, right. Julia. I’d imagine she was the exception and not the norm. The main character was surprised when it turned out she despised the party.

[@kongvinter33]

@@swk862ssu4 that was 1 woman. wasnt it?

[@umeng2002]

@@swk862ssu4 That's why he said women, and women of different ages; and didn't specifically say Julia.

[@MollyOKami]

Simple. More women care about pointless details and worry more about hurting feelings than telling someone a hard truth. They also get more of a rush from FEELING virtuous, even if it comes at the cost of someone else. If you really care about someone, you give them the hard truth, even if it risks your relationship with them because you care more about them than how it makes you feel to tell them the hard truth.

[@TWP13]

Because women are emotionally driven. That's why they're easily manipulated.

[@OfftoShambala]

I tried that… it was lonely. You have to know them enough to know how to get them to listen. We are living in a mainstream cult… we are stuck dealing with these people. Maybe it’s important for your husband or wife to know the truth. But, even then, there’s a way of going about it.

[@emmang2010]

the other commenting is exactly right. People aren't robots with zero emotions that only adhere to hard logic and reason. And as long as that's true there is a better and a worse way of getting someone to understand the truth/reality.

[@julesbrunton1728]

The problem with the "hard truths" is that the sort of people that want to tell them very rarely have any idea what the truth is and are simply disagreeing with the person they are trying to truth bomb.

[@OhioVworld]

@@julesbrunton1728I am sure up till 8 mos. ago the word ‘genocide’ meant the attempt to eradicate an entire people in an area and/ or civilization. Now, we have large swaths of the left using that term to describe a moderate sized regional war which has taken place the lives of ~30000 ppl out of a group 7.5M ppl from the river to the sea. This yr Palestinian population in that area will almost certainly INCREASE. No, facts don’t mean a thing to much of the left.

[@cynthiaberardi9573]

Why women tend to support the prevailing ideology: can it also be their preference for following the fashions or fads of their times? To be joiners? To downplay their critical thoughts in exchange for acceptance into the group?

[@lunalee3021]

I wouldn't call the things they support prevailing in a lot of cases, unless you're talking about a very specific vocal minority. Girls are the ones who support some of the most bizarre and obscure causes I've ever seen. What a ridiculous overly simplified take.

[@DerStammtischphilosoph]

What critical thought?

[@AliciatheCho]

Women are more vulnerable to social contagion

[@sreardonatpfg]

“Women tend to support the established moral order, while men tend to be contrarian.“ I think that is the most significant statement in this entire video, that is the truth.

[@EduFirenze]

that's exactly how the trans athletes debate happened, most women saw no problem, fought for it and now they're being kicked out of their own sports.

[@MisfitShawn]

That just means women follow the ideology that is most popular at the moment.

[@leetster6303]

@@MisfitShawn the real question is how did it become so popular?

[@bigneiltoo]

Women support the established "order" whether it is moral or not. See Patriot Act, Obamacare, the War on Sniffles and the persecution of Donald Trump for examples if immoral and amoral order.

[@waldoralphhenry]

Fighting people who are making generalizations with more generalizations is incredibly unhelpful.

[@firefoxchibi]

I'm a 30 year old Australian female and most of my female friends are "woke" and none of my male friends are. I avoid talking politics with my girl friends, that's for sure 😂

[@Just_a_Lad]

Do they take jokes? I have a male friend who's woke and I roast him every now and then, but in a funny way. He tries to get it back at me, but Woke people tend to just be naive :)

[@ZFern9390]

​@@Just_a_Lad I tell my woke friends they have unicorns flying out of their asses! They are ridiculous! They tend to be scattered and impulsive and unreliable. I tend to hang out more with my older friends because they are organized and sensible for sure.

[@Just_a_Lad]

@@ZFern9390 woke people might grow up ... eventually

[@darkice7669]

Ditch your female friends miss, and social media. From US veteran who has been in war. Don't subjucate yourself to that. At least you were willing to admit that. That takes guts. You were right on your assumption. Stick with it ma'am. You will succeed that way with men. Delete all your social media. It's no good

[@williamanthony915]

25 year old Australian male in the middle of Sydney. I grew up surrounded by woke women, and I always spoke my mind, which caused a lot of conflict. In the end, most of them actually agree with me now. If you talk to them rationally and slowly introduce ideas, they will likely lose the wokeness.

[@Sako-85_308]

Female compassion is great in the home but it doesn't scale.

[@zanido9073]

it's not that it doesn't scale, it's that it's a terrible thing to try to make a system out of. Female compassion works within the rational framework that men create. Men provide for their family and discipline the kids, women provide love and nurturing. Men create laws and economic systems, women work in the charities. It stops working when you try to turn the economic system itself into a charity.

[@Sako-85_308]

@@zanido9073 In other words it doesn't scale.

[@bigneiltoo]

Exactly. Women are Socialist because each child should get the same amount of love and food, etc. Apply that globally and we have free hotels for illegals who cause inflation.

[@private-private]

@@Sako-85_308 Ha ha ha...... exactly right! Brilliant!!

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

So it doesn't scale but longer also this means patriarchy and civilization are synonymous

[@flakyfan1496]

They are so depressed too that’s what really bothers me. It’s like they don’t even know what love is

[@nunorican]

And not only young girls, many of my woke girl friends are past their 40's, unmarried, childless, living with cats/dogs. I trully believe wokeness is the expression of their resentment.

[@Jose.G_]

How do you want them to know what love is when wokeism is against any form of true love as it would imply any kind of implication, which they're completely against, just watch the number of women nowadays, especially younger than 25, who had 20 times more partners than their past 5 generations together

[@KatallinaVT]

They have been trained to focus on the self or on larger, ideological issues, rather than focusing people around them--which is traditionally women's jobs as mothers or as social leaders within neighbourhoods and communities (rather than the larger political fabric that men tended to inhabit traditionally). As such, they have been taught to be both unloving and unlovable. And therefore, they are miserable but largely incapable of ever being able to put their finger on WHY.

[@flakyfan1496]

@@KatallinaVT very well said! thank you for this. Ive been starting to think the same thing and often think at great lengths to the psychology of these sorts of things because its one of the few places I enjoy asking the question of "why" when so many whys are unknown or unhelpful. Them not seeking answers may be the saddest part.

[@lunalee3021]

You BELIEVE in depression? (A fake illness made up by big pharma to sell meds). That is the first problem here. 2nd you sound like a bitter man-enist who blames everything in society on women.

[@telepathicpenguin]

Young people in general are easy to manipulate and tend to follow groupthink. School and the media play a big role in that, especially now that kids have a computer in their pocket 24/7. I was homeschooled and chose not to get a smart phone until I was 22 and I am so thankful for that. I am 29 now and I still find it very hard to relate to many people my age because I don't enjoy drinking/partying/"advocating" for woke causes. I was taught to think critically, spend time outdoors, learn from people who are wise/experienced, explore interests and hobbies, grow in my faith, and work hard. I know not everyone has the opportunity to have an upbringing like that, but something has to change.

[@robertrichards4930]

I got my first smart phone at 42 LOL!

[@naisyjohns]

​@@robertrichards4930I got my first phone at 18. Beat that!

[@df71091]

I remember the group think , kinda swarm intelligence from school. The teachers/profs always had to inplement some anti conservative points during the lessons. Since im put of school, my standpoints changed drastically. Also the boomer generation never had those problems in school or when they went out drinking. Just last weekend i could have been stabbed and then i couldnt tske the train back home because some terrorist fake called about an attack....

[@morangedesign]

You're not alone :)

[@dddux]

I still don't have a "smart phone" and I'm 53 IT tech. I do live like Neo from Matrix though... surrounded by computers. What would I need a smart phone for? And when I get out, a normal phone is perfectly fine with me. I can't understand why are people so addicted to the internet so they have to have it even in nature, or when walking a dog. It's sick.

[@radiofreealbemuth]

Not even the greatest dystopian scifi writers could've predicted this woke matriarchy, where feelings and emotionalism overrule logic and rationalism

[@Jake-mv7yo]

Yes I think we just need to accept that some people can't afford to be alive.

[@randallsimmons391]

George Orwell did.

[@joevaghn457]

Finally, someone called it a matriarchy. Huge thumbs up.

[@s.e.studios1386]

Feelings and emotionalism overruling logic and rationalism? Sounds like the manoshpere and all the young men finding god.

[@joevaghn457]

@@s.e.studios1386 what are you on about?

[@auriel8300]

Group thinking. Peer Pressure. Mimetic Desire. Mirror Neurons.

[@FuelAirSparkTime]

Vapid egos and no self awareness I'd add to that

[@serga7486]

being a bunch of wusses. (i chose my words because i want to keep it classy in JPete's comment section)

[@starfox300]

This is too generic, the main point is hypergamy. Women have always responded this way in regards to the tribe leaders.

[@DNA350ppm]

I see almost nothing but "Group thinking. Peer Pressure. Mimetic Desire. Mirror Neurons." among the comments here. Few sources, few original thoughts, almost all comments variations on theme posted hundreds of times. There is clearly a pattern! How are men to break free and come up with something constructive, acceptable solutions?

[@Tiasung]

Nah, *lack of mirror neurons*

[@SusanVivian-g3l]

This intriguing video serves as a poignant reminder of the heartache I've been enduring since my 7 year relationship came to an end 4 months ago. My cherished partner, the love of my life, made the difficult decision to part ways, leaving me consumed by thoughts of him. Despite my earnest attempts to win him back, I find myself facing frustration and an overwhelming sense of emptiness, unable to envision a life without his presence. Despite my efforts to move on, I'm compelled to confess my lingering feelings and longing for him here.

[@JustinLouis-p1u]

The process of releasing a loved one can be an uphill battle. I can relate, having navigated a similar journey when my 8 year relationship dissolved. Despite the heartache, I refused to relinquish hope and embarked on a quest to win her back. Turning to a spiritual counselor for assistance, I found guidance that ultimately led to our reconciliation.

[@SusanVivian-g3l]

Impressive! How did you manage to connect with a spiritual counselor, and what's the process for me to reach out to her?

[@JustinLouis-p1u]

Allow me to introduce Suzanne Ann Walters, a highly skilled spiritual counselor known for her expertise in rekindling past relationships.

[@SusanVivian-g3l]

Thank you for this invaluable information; I've just checked her out online. Very impressive indeed!

[@KatyYoder-cq1kc]

Cease and desist all death threats, chemical, political, spiritual warfare using malicious AI and energy weaoons: US Woke military, governments, Asia, Korea, China, Iran and Russia. I am not your property

[@roywall8169]

Its a lack of fathers and brothers. Small families, with no father in the home have lead to several generations of women who have never been checked emotionally. Their feelings are all that mattered growing up. Voila, wokism has taken hold.

[@erinavery4577]

I think this is a big part of it totally

[@NoFriendLikeJesus]

A lot of homes are fatherless because the mother divorced the father and got custody of the kids. Women initiate about 80% of the divorces here in America.

[@denisecornell-e5z]

The real problem is that when women stand up for themselves , small weak men feel threatened

[@roywall8169]

@@denisecornell-e5z 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@monkey6207]

This theory sounds like it comes from a lack of sisters. No one in my family has ever been woke, and it's mostly girls.

[@dirkhamilton2709]

“Low verbal intelligence” predicts wokeness. Like, people don’t have the vocabulary to like describe like whatever it is they’re thinking like and because they don’t like understand the concepts, like like like like like like.

[@ryankerins361]

but... liTERalLY!?

[@timothyskye79]

So, you people here are much more intelligent and logic than these women. Now I understand...

[@bobbydowling4263]

and I just think that, I mean, I just think like, you know, I mean, like, I dunno. You know? I mean, right?

[@ComicGladiator]

@@timothyskye79 Yes, we're more logic than them.

[@JohnW-sy1eo]

​@@timothyskye79 amazing demonstration of low verbal intelligence

[@juliaalvarez4783]

So grateful my mom made me read 1984.

[@Bodey2]

Based mom!

[@Powertuber1000]

For anybody willing to listen…f-mail influence is the issue, it is the common denominator.

[@carmeister_]

W mom!

[@euridionvult7814]

B A S E D !

[@monkey6207]

Oh then you surely recognised some issues with it then, like how bad George Orwell was at writing women, and how he worshipped $ex for the whole theme of that book. It wasn't perfect.

[@UberTankred]

The only thing more impressive than a young woman's devotion to an ideology is the speed at which she will forget she ever adhered to its tenets the second a more advantageous alternative is offered!

[@starfox300]

Correct!

[@Gpacharlie]

Perhaps Diversity Equity and Inclusion are the main personalities of a new religion which replaces The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

[@DaDoubleDee]

I think there could be truth to that

[@Kolinahr1701]

Fuckin' A Dude.

[@Gpacharlie]

@@Kolinahr1701 Watch your language young man.

[@Teresa.Says.It.Here.2]

Scary ! SCARY thought!

[@MarcThe_Shark]

The new holy trinity of wokeism

[@67skullcandy]

It is not a secret you can sell anything to women with the right marketing.

[@awsambdaman]

@AnneDeo-uu9nb I don’t think it’s exploiting..it’s not like you’re marketing cigarettes to kids. These are adult women, they should be able to make other decisions

[@steven-el3sw]

@@awsambdaman”should”

[@leetster6303]

@@awsambdaman history shows that women are easy to manipulate. women who can make good decisions are rare and most need men to make the decisions for them. its a hard pill to swallow but its a fact.

[@nastyathedustslayer]

Don’t forget that the Nazis were men 😊

[@berkeliumk]

With the right tone

[@stelthtenau]

The idea that you cant be in the wrong if you are in defense of someone or something is inherently female

[@monkey6207]

I think it's just a logical fallacy. Like claiming a sin is just part of being a certain gender.

[@fatmonkey4716]

​@@monkey6207 Men and women are different, that supports different standards.

[@monkey6207]

@@fatmonkey4716 You don't get away with that. "Men and women are different" has been used by redpills to dismiss an argument too many times. What does different mean? Not more sinful or less virtuous. Not less able to use logic. Not less able to use your brain. Not having less free will.

[@monkey6207]

@@fatmonkey4716 "They are 'different'" has been used by redpillers to dismiss an argument too many times. You have to explain what this adjective means. I'll tell you what it doesn't: being less able to use logic (which most men can't, it's a subject you study), being able to reason, having free will and intellect, having certain virtues, avoiding sin. . . And I'll tell you what can't be used as "evidence". Certain times in history where "most people vote a certain way" due to outside factors that may not have anything to do with biology. Because then we can all just point to Germany during World War II and make claims about men all day.

[@fatmonkey4716]

@@monkey6207 Women get bailed out of poor logic all the time because there is a higher standard of niceness applied to women. Noone cares if a man is shamed for using poor logic, but the same cannot be said of women. Therefore it is easy to see that men have to apply higher standards of logic than women.

[@joannelee6484]

I'm a Gen Z woman and not woke. I know my limits. I like being stronger than I think I am which makes me feel good. I want to become independent because I'm too shy to ask for help.

[@richardjoslin2549]

You appear entirely normal and well balanced, and thank heaven for that, Joanne.

[@chillibeans9519]

Unfortunately my daughter has fallen into this. I have no choice but to pray

[@chickentoucher55]

Look she’ll most likely grow out of it, show her this video

[@somethinderpsterious]

​@@chickentoucher55she's 47

[@binks69]

She won't change until she hits rock bottom just being honest

[@dr.davidhoward3179]

🙏🏻😇⛪❤️‍🔥👑🕊️🕯️

[@reptipis148]

Kick her out 😂

[@PetrosArgy]

I wonder if this isn't an example of the "female herd structure" we were taught in health class back in the 1980s here in the US, where the lesson on dating and boy-girl relations in the early phases were often complicated by the tendency that girls generally herd together, making them less approachable than boys, who are more often comfortable walking around school, eating etc on their own. That, together with something I read once about womens' role in the continuation of religiousity in societies (the old women in church meme) both seem to fit with young women being more woke, if woke is a new "religion."

[@goodtalker]

I'm 62. I raised 4 daughters with two marriages. Their mothers made out like bandits--me, not so much. But I really did love being a dad. One thing I inculcated in them was to stop being a bitch and assume responsibility, even if they thought theirs was going to be an easier, softer way. 3 of the 4 became well adjusted, content individuals dealing with the everyday difficulties of life. The 4th, not so much. For her, I pray for her often, but I am not The Savior--and I won't go down with the ship. Her mother can, if she wants, but I won't. Thanks for reading.

[@ZER0_G]

Thanks for sharing.

[@TWHY-f2x]

Loved the story you’re a hero man god bless

[@caterinaml]

You're a great Dad. Continue being strong and consistent. You are doing God's work. 💕🙏😇🙏💕

[@goodtalker]

@@caterinaml Thank you for your kind word. Roy, So Cal

[@alexanderhowarth6460]

You're a shitty husband and father. It shouldn't matter what her politics are, she's your fucking daughter, man. Going down with the ship is your job.

[@jancovanderwesthuizen8070]

Misplaced maternal instinct went off in my head like a lightbulb, it makes so much sense. It basically explains everything

[@jpespinosa4539]

Why are they for abortion tho?

[@matheusjezini]

​@jpespinosa4539 because they're allergic to responsibility and accountability, how the hell are they're going to raise a child lol

[@DigitalApex]

​@@jpespinosa4539 They don't view an embryo as a sapient creature, just a "clump of cells." That, and they want to be able to whore around.

[@DigitalApex]

​@@jpespinosa4539 The same for a fetus. Be it a week or 7 months into gestation. It doesn't matter to them. They view an unwanted baby as an intruder, a virus.

[@finkamain1621]

@@matheusjezini They same reason they think virginity is a concept created by a man to create a woman's worth. In reality, the woman tries to ignore what a hymen is and how more partners effect your oxytocin production for pair bonding. This also effects your care for family members, your children, and pets

[@redwolf7227]

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

[@danpatterson8009]

I have met more than one woman who was quite sure she knew better how to run my life than I did.

[@ZER0_G]

I've got a few in my family.

[@hanklesacks]

😂

[@francestaylor9156]

I figure most women are like this. My mother insisted she run my life. I had to fight her on EVERYTHING. Ugh… narc moms are awful.

[@siberianshuburshun688]

There is a Russian saying, which is hard to translate without lengthy explanations: "Некоторые люди - дуры".

[@Paul-nn9oj]

Happy wife, happy life

[@calistafalcontail]

I can proudly say that neither I, or any of my female friends, was ever "woke". I was roasting this nonsense the moment it became a thing and got pushed in everyones face.

[@anwylhsm954]

I went to high school in a small midwestern town with two liberal arts schools in it and so almost everyone I used to be friends with went "woke". And they all unfriended me during Covid. But I did notice something. While it's primarily women who will follow the moral trends and tend to be on the left it is also women who I've seen be the first to start seeing the many layers of manipulation that we're under - one of them being the whole "woke" thing. I was a liberal in the 90's, too. It was the women that I know who were first to leave the left when it started acting like this. But we're Gen X, so they were all married and had kids. Maybe that's the difference. A lot of them have husbands who are still deeply under the spell of the so-called "elite", though, unfortunately. One friend's husband - who is one of those people I knew in high school, actually - learned that she voted for Trump and he said, "Who got to you?" As if she couldn't think for herself. And completely oblivious to the fact that HE was the one who was incapable of thinking for himself.

[@tallspicy]

😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@NPC13niner5]

Sounds nice and peaceful.

[@genesises]

so kind of the same behaviour but on the other side? and proud of it. nice

[@morganclare4704]

" were '

[@rgj8044]

The more “equality” and power women achieve, the less happy and more aggressive they become. My opinion.

[@morganclare4704]

but you're right!

[@230mps]

It’s a fact backed by research and data.

[@jibberism9910]

My ex claims she is finally living the life she always wanted. Nothing I ever heard about, but sure. She's also more frustrated with complete strangers than I have ever seen her in my life. She's brainwashed.

[@gabe1277]

Care to explain why you think that?

[@230mps]

@@gabe1277 The genders are supposed to compliment each other. The closer to being men women are, the more out of sync with nature they are. Same thing with men being feminine. It’s not a matter of legal equal rights. It’s about societal and cultural gender norms. Gender roles to a point, are a product of biology, not a social construct. It shouldn’t take a social science study to figure out that women aren’t fulfilled in the workforce and men aren’t built to have women lead them. Let’s also be honest that women don’t want that at all.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

The question reminds me of that episode about Survival Island Men vs Women episode. Men immediately created a hierarchy and assigned roles. Women almost die from starvation and dehydration, because they immediately turn to collectivism. They rejected any authority, leadership and hierarchy and wanted to make decisions collectively. It didn't work even for a second. So I think that might just be the simplest answer. Women are more collectivist by nature, so marxism and woke intersectional politics are the next natural step.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

Families are inherently collectives. So what you see happening is female biological imperatives taking political form.

[@Francesca-yu5cy]

Woman are relational beings more and man are goal oriented (hence the hierarchy)

[@Cheech-lk2yp]

Great observation. From a bird eyes view, this is nearly all of what we are seeing...and it is a little concerning at scale, projecting this pattern forward for hundreds of years. If the West truly becomes 'matriachal' it may fall apart, or be overwhelmed by other geo-political forces still organised around male hierarchies. This is where we can start to see how empathy and compassion - the feminine aspects of human psycholgy, you could say - might ulltimately undermine us, even though for a while they postively modulated the previously harsher society built around a patriachal structure.

[@christinereich6050]

That is interesting. As a woman I would start with the collective but maybe divide the work to pairs? I will see if I can find that episode.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@@christinereich6050 it was an interesting episode. The show was with Bear Grylls I'm pretty sure, in case you're not sure what you're looking for. I'm not sure if your idea would work in their situation, because they did have a couple of capable women with them, but all the other women would block them from doing anything. If a woman tried to take charge, other women would argue with them over everything, call them bossy. I distinctly remember one of them saying "You think you are so sure" and "You are dismissing everyone else". That kind of thing, shaming tactics and such.

[@danielw.8356]

Been saying this for years. The biggest political division in the West currently is between Men and Women. This includes Japan, and South Korea.

[@hildegardvonbingen9092]

I watched a feminist documentation about south Korea. And I swear nothing those women Said made any sense. Of course the reason for Low birth rates was systemic sexism. Even though thr contrary is true, the more patriachal and unequal the society the more children were born and vice versa. They talked about how women earned less and therefore ran higher risk of old age poverty. What didn't make them worry at all about the future, were birthrates around 0,8 children per women and the younger Generation exponentially shrinking 60 ,percent every Generation. They seemed to be completely unaware what that means for their futures. That the nation will completely fall apart in two or three Generations and nothing will work properly

[@OfftoShambala]

Not the biggest, but a symptom. The vaccine Nazis and worship of pharma products is the biggest threat. The milgram effect.

[@Kolinahr1701]

Perhaps it is engineered. Who is doing it?

[@michaelsmith473]

@@hildegardvonbingen9092 5 to 10 years South Korean economy will collapse. Losing 30,000 people a month and accelerating.

[@user-se8ef9xi6j]

@@Kolinahr1701 but it doesnt make any sense. the capitalists need cheap slave labourers

[@red131abarth]

I attended Sydney University in the late 1970s. That was about the time of the creation of the Womens' Studies Unit. Here was the birth of Third Wave Feminism, driven by what I call St George Syndrome - the need to create new dragons to slay once you have slayed the original dragons. Second Wave Feminism resolved the fundamental equality issues, and generally entrenching them in legislation. But the Third Wave left its lane and pursued racial equality, gender equality and other groups where oppression could be ideologically identified. No-one asked them, but these Woke Karens took it upon themselves to be offended on behalf of others. Thus the birth of Woke in Australia, a mirror of the postmodernism that was growing in the USA and Canadian universities at the same time. The spread of Woke grew throughout universities, schools, government departments, corporations, the legal system, and most obviously the mainstream media, which in Australia is utterly biased, useless, and which has lost it trust and authority. Even the current ruling political party, The Australian Labor Party, has a DEI-esque quota system ensuring equal numbers of female parliamentarians....but in order to become one, women have to pledge to become a social justice warrior as a sworn member of Emilys List. Our recent referendum was to create a formalised Voice to Government for Indigenous peoples, a proposal couched in layer upon layer of a counterfeit compassion. In reality, the proposed document was essentially a Trojan horse hiding all the tools to efficiently convert Australia into a quiet Communist revolution, but without the revolution. A considerable amount of effort and cajoling of celebrities, large corporations and many sporting bodies were co-opted into presenting a united, compassionate front. But sanity prevailed, the swindle was detected, and the woke conversion to some sort of Marxist utopia was thwarted by a suspicious general public. Turn out the phlanx of compassionate, woke women who were selling the proposition inadvertently revealed their deception in many ways. It seems the woke are relatively unsophisticated in the ways of solid Constitutions and in reading the populace. As soon as things turned against them, their woke compassion soon turned to scorn against the general public. Thus, in their behaviour, they fully outed themselves as possessing their utter contempt for the people.....not compassion. That is reserved for their preferred oppressed groups. Never has being a "deplorable" felt so right!

[@lancewalker2595]

It's harder to realize the truth when the lies flatter your ego, much easier to call bullshit when the lie is a condemnation of your own humanity; so in the defense of women, the reason why young men are more aware than they are is because we had develop our awareness because our nature as masculine beings has been under constant attack since early childhood.

[@sebastiaanstok]

Moral virtue over caring for the "oppressed", or what's called narcissism in it's truest form. Luckily not all women are like this, but the narcissistic ones use the others as pawns by playing on there feelings, because women tend to be more agreeable and group oriented they fall rather easily. Call it out as a man, boom you are called a misogynist and the controllers set-up the others against you. Thanks for sharing this story, we need more of this whistle-blowing.

[@Al-xq4ec]

Feminism was never about equality but about hatred of men families and straight up against human nature.

[@Brightangel55]

You are so correct. Thank goodness the Voice to Parliament referendum failed. You're totally right - it was a Trojan horse the public, after a great amount of anguished consideration, saw through. We still have a great country that is more united than divided by woke stupidity. My politics have shifted from the left to the right in today's Australia. I will be voting for the conservative Liberal party in the next federal election. I never thought I'd be saying that.

[@vulpinemachine]

Controversial take. Every wave of feminism was wrong.

[@rustymertz]

Woke fatigue is becoming a real thing and I feel like I’m starting to see people unaffected by these folks trying to shame you for your beliefs.

[@acediamond7524]

The same reason companies target women and children in advertisements more than men… They are more susceptible to marketing and the power of suggestion… There’s been studies done on this globally and it’s pretty consistent.

[@stereotypespecialist]

And George Orwell. That was like 80 years ago.

[@GraceHarwood88]

Or… they do the majority of shopping? For the home and family?

[@Rocketninja200]

It's been known since early ages. That's why there's no female priests or rabbis at legitimate religious institutions.

[@Thor-Orion]

@@GraceHarwood88that was certainly part of the initial female targeted advertising for canned goods and such, they had to win over mothers first and foremost as the primary shoppers for the household. However we can also notice a gradual change in the what and the how of advertising from that time to the present.

[@monkey6207]

Actually it's more because women go shopping more than men, since they're not in an office all day and getting the groceries falls to them. I work in retail and men barely ever come in. So why would more ads be aimed at men when it's not their job to go to the store?

[@barneymiller4088]

Isn’t the use of cancelling people absolutely inline with women’s use of character assignation as an expression of aggression to tear apart another person?

[@monkey6207]

I think it's just a logical fallacy. Like claiming a sin is just part of being a certain gender.

[@reedmckinney7426]

Yep, the reputation destruction angle is totally female-oriented. Men would settle it with fists, women destroy your image socially

[@t.j.payeur5331]

Yeah, Barney...it sure is...

[@BeesAreArrogant]

@@monkey6207, you posted this reply verbatim in another thread. Either you have nothing to add, or you’re a bot.

[@monkey6207]

@@BeesAreArrogant Well I'm not, I just posted the reply to two similar comments. Do you know how to think in nuance?

[@MaraJadeSkky]

If my almost 13 year old daughter wasn't homeschooled and did have a "smart" phone, she'd be "woke" 100%. These poor kids don't stand a chance. They don't even have a chance for their frontal lobes to fully develop.

[@Ruby_Villain]

You are correct. Public schooling since Covid has been poison, for our children.

[@somenuttysquirrel]

My siblings and I were homeschooled. Smartphones weren't really a thing back then... We're in our late 20's and early 30's now... and decent, stand-up citizens, my parents would say..... My sister is studying psychology, my brother is studying kinesiology... I didn't own an iPhone until I was 27... even then, I found little use for it; canceled after the first year..... Corrupt people in high places are definitely after your kids, protect them at all cost!

[@Kolinahr1701]

It is very sad. We are beyond a foothold, beachhead idealogical situation. We are overrun. I hate to say it.

[@michaelyolch79]

The only chance these kids have is for their parents to actually be PARENTS! It’s ludicrous…no, repulsive, how many parents throw their young children a smartphone.

[@michaelyolch79]

@@Kolinahr1701 People are very much starting to fight back against all this idiocy. Enough is enough.

[@WizzRacing]

It simple why it affects young people. As they lack Purpose. So their easy to con... As they will latch onto any Cause that gives them value. It's a replacement for the family and church..

[@valeriepratt2140]

I have also reached the conclusion that "the woke" lack purpose.

[@ASMR_Lighting]

💯%

[@shortferal]

Agreed!

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Suffragettes

[@travisjazzbo3490]

Well said. At the root of every woke person is a person with no 'purpose'. Imagine a person with purpose and drive ever trying to get along with a person with no purpose or drive in life.

[@DjDeadpig]

Genuinely fear of this generation of women an generations to come if this insanity doesn’t end.

[@qualquerdez]

I’m not, feminists will end up alone in their 40’s with cats or they will be pretty enough for a lunatic to impregnate her and leave and they will be miserable single moms, selection of good woman by men will save and replicate the good ones.

[@Whit3_279]

But be aware ... these young people are just victims of an evil narrative, witch is driven from an evil source. Don't blame the victims, blame the Source and reject it.

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

Their kids are going to be little shits!

[@DNA350ppm]

They will not come and kill you or rape you, rest assured.

[@Kolinahr1701]

Yes. Memory can go on for decades... or longer even centuries, or millenia.

[@tennesseered586]

". . . misplaced maternal instincts." Yes, brilliant. Many of my friend's adult daughters are just like this. Childless (and husbandless) at a time in their lives when they ought to have both. Their options dwindle and their unhappiness rises with each passing day. Two of my three sons chose a foreign national to marry instead of a woke American girl. Lovely traditional women they are, too.

[@CodyseusRex]

Sucks that the sons had to bastardize their lineage instead of waiting for a decent american woman☹️

[@mortuitissedai2085]

@@SharkyJ40 Society has a right to standards. Young people owe their taking up of paternal and maternal roles (and that doesn't necessarily mean childbirth imo, but in the vastest majority of cases) to the cultures and societies that raised them, and to expect such is not only acceptable, but moral. Is it really so unreasonable to correlate unhappiness with advanced age with simultaneous childlessness? Conservative versus Progressive mental health breakdowns would seem to strongly indicate this. All that aside, there's really no need to be so superior when responding to someone, and it's ironic that you seem to be making at least twice as many assumptions about the case of the OP as they might potentially be making of the women in question.

[@lucasdarianschwendlervieir3714]

​@@SharkyJ40there is only one reality.

[@darev6780]

The Woke westernised mind virus will do this.

[@braamkotze473]

​@@SharkyJ40you okay there?? 😂 Do you believe in God? I would bet, no?

[@veronicaford5737]

“The ideology tells you who to be compassionate for” how eye-opening. Thank you.

[@dawall3732]

6:00 Wrong, it's not just amongst younger women. It's amongst unmarried women who have no children. With a subset being women who have children and no male support or who are actively avoiding male support in raising their children. That subset also happens to be the subset. Actively pushing to have children go through sex change surgeries. As well as be taught gender fluid and homosexual ideologies in elementary school.

[@Arsonprobable]

Where’s your data?

[@shortferal]

​@@ArsonprobableSociety, there's his data. Look around.

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Suffragettes

[@songsthatarecatchy]

​@@shortferal I dunno man most people aren't woke at all and mostly hate that crap. It's just that's all we see and hear about on MSM but it's not reflective of the real world. Currently I don't know anyone who's woke. And I live in jersey.

[@tallspicy]

Wow. Just wow. As the southerners would say... bless your heart.

[@juliaalvarez4783]

What happened to women? They don’t have kids anymore. That’s the problem. Without children to take care of, that nurturing instinct is misapplied.

[@kathycoleman4648]

Yes. Either two children or two idle hands, with idle hands being the devil's playthings.

[@lucasdarianschwendlervieir3714]

​@@kathycoleman4648 Wow, that's a pretty dark way of putting it.

[@SubstituteProfessor]

Have you ever noticed that all woke people are very pale. It's anemia from iron deficiency. Women are more vulnerable to iron deficiency as they lose a lot of iron every month. It also causes sexual dysfunction which is why they don't want to have kids. I explain this in depth on my YT channel.

[@david2498]

Peak b itching. About literally nothing. Produce nothing. All materialism consumers. Starbucks is their bizarre heaven. Serve me the swill.

[@friarnewborg9213]

Being a woke female is all about holding, and increasing woke privilege. But in reality, only LOYAL Woman, should be protected by the men in their lives

[@MichaelElias-q2z]

Remember when societies experience moral panicks or mass hysteria events, it's almost always influenced by female emotions.

[@Rawdiswar]

C O V I D

[@antibull4869]

Its even worse than that. Society, typically, doesn’t suffer mass panics. The women in society do though. As do the men who emulate the panic to sleep with the women.

[@Ruby_Villain]

Where are their smelling salts? They must have their smelling salts

[@DNA350ppm]

Like fascism, progroms, Stalinism, KKK, medieval crusades and Vikings, and such you mean?

[@prometheus1438]

can you please elaborate? I don't know anything about that

[@downtime86stars17]

It is generally in our (women's) nature to want to be compassionate and nurturing, which is a good and necessary thing, especially in the care of children. These woke women, however, are not tempering their emotions. They let their feelings run wild to the exclusion of reason and don't evaluate the consequences.

[@HaleStorm49]

Wokeness is rebellion masquerading as virtue.

[@denisecornell-e5z]

You have one part right and one part wrong , wokeness is a rebellion against years of injustice and it is masquerading as anything except we have had enough of this crap and we intend to change it for the better

[@PrezVeto]

It's conformity masquerading as virtuous rebellion.

[@DunceCapSyndrome]

Bingo.

[@fosphor8920]

rebellion against the patriarchy?

[@mason4966]

Rebellion can be a good thing.

[@tsparky9196]

The big issue is that for the majority of women, how they 'feel' is more important than logic and facts.

[@truxton1000]

Tru, and all the talk about "my truth" as you can bend reality.

[@dohdoh2430]

Thats why they shouldnt vote

[@vincet6390]

As an atheist, I would say the same is true for religious people as well. Maybe also explains why most religious people are women.

[@DisasterSC92]

We men do the same, we can be very contrarian when we get a feeling that something is off. I am pretty sure if you are honest with yourself you will realise more than often you decide on feelings more than you would like to accept. We grew up in a world where we got used to men doing this and for better or worse we have learnt to deal with these flaws in men. Now women are regaining power and guess what they can also be problematic, it’s time for all of us to be compassionate and learn the best way to communicate with each other now that the power dynamics have changed and will keep on changing

[@lunalee3021]

This is such an oversimplification of the fact that women are more sensitive (physically i.e more tastebuds, can see more colors, and psychologically more aware of emotions), which does not mean they put necessarily put emotions over logic. These half-truth stereotypes aren't helping the culture war and are just making it worse.

[@caedrewan]

I just checked: Facebook started on February 4, 2004. The perception of high value and the lack of accountability (in the internet age) can almost certainly be traced back to this point. I should check when Tumblr began...

[@kenbaker4528]

Tumblr created my woke daughter.

[@caedrewan]

@@kenbaker4528 sorry to hear it, good luck

[@DsiakMondala]

All these genders that became law where born as delusions from tumblerinas way back them. I was there mocking them, and now their gender is law

[@captainvanisher988]

Social media and the internet only accelerated an alreaday ongoing phenomenon. All of this can be traced back to 1st wave feminism and the main issues arose as feminism entered its inevitable 2nd phase in the 60s (women's emancipation and sexual liberation). By the time 2nd wave feminism was done, the system had become gynocentric, the family had been destroyed and general society subverted.

[@francisquebachmann7375]

You can also trace how this "ideologies" spread when Tumblr banned NSFW content leading them to spread their "ideologies" around other platforms. Tumblr is a mental asylum that kept it's patients in. Apparently it spread

[@jjsays]

The compassion is targeted towards whoever doesn't throw into relief how average the average or sub-average person really is. It's all in "Egalitarian Envy"; a wonderful book.

[@Ryan-um5xe]

Same reason they're more susceptible to joining cults, they're followers

[@CuriousCattery]

If they're followers then men are leaders. So then who's at fault?

[@saltycat662]

@@CuriousCattery How dare you go spitting facts like that? You're absolutely right. Even the Bible says the very same. When the men fail, the women and children become disrespectful. The men fail to realize that they caused the problem to begin with.

[@kliersheed]

@@CuriousCattery education. woman have become smart enough to fight for their rights and independence while being unable to FUNCTION independently. Now men CANT lead them anymore, because they arent allowed to. or more precisely greed, capitalism and education that doesent consider side-effects. e.g. the state is happy with how things are because if woman try to work as well, that means twice the taxes to collect. so is the entire capitalistic ruling class because they can increase prices for everything if two people in the family make money. they dont want woman to be female and supportive, they dont want men to be masculin and leading. they want everything to be equalized and more easily controlled. they should have improved on how men lead woman (no physical abuse but with some respect) and on how woman support men (no emotional traps or playing with their sexdrive as a reward system etc. aka emotional/social power abuse) instead of trying to reverse 2+ million years of evolution. womans brains are different from men. they have more interconnections between hemispheres. they associate more, they have a harder time keeping things separated which is crucial for decision making/logical -non emotional - conclusion processes (at the same time, its very beneficial for e.g. languages to associate objects, moods and abstract meaning of words etc., it isnt all bad, just case specific.).

[@WhiteKingdom-y6k]

@@CuriousCattery The ones thinking that leaders are sexist

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Suffragettes

[@llIlIlllII]

Women are always concerned with what other people think because we gain our power through other people (male attention or being higher up on the social totem pole compared to other women, as well as being in the group vs not). We don't have real power, sourced from inside us. Power and status can be lost in a heart beat, because somebody else doesn't like you and decides to turn everyone else against you, too.

[@brianthesnail3815]

I think that is very insightful. My wife having been at a girl's school and got quite high up in a male dominated industry would I think have quite common ground with you. She always observes that she hated school because of the way other girls sought to control other girls and having been in a high paid profession by dint of her own effort and intelligence she observed the talentless women who got to the top via garnering male attention or doing their dirty work and often pushing other women down. She calls them 'handmaidens' though she is no rabid blue haired feminist.

[@monkey6207]

Pseudoscience alert.

[@wtfdoihavetodohere]

Wrong. Women's power is almost entirely sourced from within them - in their biology- while it's men who must work and build a nest in order for society to value them. Women simply choose from among the winners and society is ready to bail them out if they make a bad choice (ie: divorce court, women's shelters, "believe all women", etc).

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

First off your rational self examination is on point though I suspect you are male if not bravo second off I think this means women are masters of proxy warfare.

[@francestaylor9156]

What?! Speak for yourself. I worked hard for the confidence within myself. I don’t need outside validation for that.

[@NazaireDragonash]

Young women just want to be 'fashionable'. It's sickening what we're seeing today.

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Suffragettes

[@sketchartphoto8117]

what about the elder women of THE VIEW?

[@dashcammer4322]

@@sketchartphoto8117 They mostly smell of urine and too much body spray.

[@torachan23]

​@@sketchartphoto8117 they get paid to hold those opinions

[@DivineMultiForce]

@@sketchartphoto8117 they’re r3tarded. KZbin kept deleting my comment.

[@Gt3ch]

Why is it so hard for them to say young women are concerned with social status and develop their identity and self worth from it?

[@twitchly]

It would explain why so much interaction among progressives reminds me of scenes from junior high. I feel like we’re living in an endless episode of Mean Girls.

[@chrisc7265]

the justification for woke is partly an appeal to emotion because that's what resonates with some of its adherents. But woke is very much top down. It's naked power politics. Woke is what power for power's sake looks like.

[@denisecornell-e5z]

You have it just backwards the right wing conservatives are about controlling Americans as an example the abolishment of Roe v Wade== oppression of women. Voter supression laws are violating citizens rights to vote and the blatant attempt to destroy democracy in America is a perfect example of a power grab

[@47bricklayer]

Woke is thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals.

[@Kolinahr1701]

Woke=Communist bullshit. It is Evil.

[@CaptainSilvan]

funny how many people here have differnet definitions

[@47bricklayer]

@@CaptainSilvan One cannot be woke, racist, sexist, communist or islamist unless they they think of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals.

[@47bricklayer]

@@jfkst1 Fair and Free are opposites. I choose to maximize freedom, and because everyone's different, that's not fair. If I happen to be fair, it's just a coincidence.

[@SardonischerDean]

Individualism isn't the answer.

[@earlliotti5316]

Very profound and accurate description of woke; I've listened to many others describe it, and accurately too, but Eric's definition cuts thru to the basic architecture in a clear-cut way. Simple and spot on.

[@debbiedawson8109]

Excellent discussion between two intelligent men - my favourites - a psychologist and political scientist. I have worked for most of my professional life in HR and you are right that more mature women don’t usually sign up for these woke ideologies. I teach HR courses and have worked as a consultant in the education and university sector and I definitely noticed the increase of female administrators (including HR sadly) and their promotion of woke ideologies and policies. With the benefit of wisdom I suggest to my young students that it’s not our job in HR to promote these ideologies and to think critically about the unintended consequences. For instance by elevating some groups (e.g. racial, sex, ‘gender’) we risk alienating others. Fortunately for me I am low on agreeability - in fact my high school report said I lacked tact which I now realise was probably a compliment 😊 - and I’m also not a people pleaser which is largely a female affliction. I agree that the personality traits make women particularly vulnerable to this sheep like thinking. Great discussion of slightly differing viewpoints 🤓 - thank you.

[@KanyeT1306]

I really liked the point about misguided maternal instinct. However, I also want to add that misguided religiosity plays a part. Religiosity goes down across our society, and people fill that void in themselves with political activism. It give them purpose, meaning, drive, community, etc.

[@hab0272]

That's an interest point you make about the religiousity! Human culture evolves faster than human biology. The world may be more secular these days but homosapiens are pretty much the same. This may include a tendency towards religious thinking (which i think has overlap with ideology and believing in absolutes.) The tricky thing about these new "religions" is that they are more subtle and may even feel somewhat scientific. The maternal instinct- thing made a lot of sense to me. I like the word misguided better than misplaced because i do see some value in caring about minorities however i think this cultural wave is too agressive/overprotective about it like some mother-bear

[@pharmcat8484]

I’ve been saying it for a while now. Our society has become too feminine for our own good.

[@lehxyx]

Alex Jones tried to warn us about the frogs

[@monkey6207]

What a slimy way of putting it to shift the blame onto someone other than yourself.

[@connors3356]

@@monkey6207slime chunks have a 92% chance of spawning within 200 blocks of the 0,0 coordinate

[@wadewilson955]

every time I watch Peterson's video it's such a relief! like finally someone can put into words this thing that was in my head for a last couple months and turns out I'm not crazy I just could not articulate it well enough

[@maladyofdeath]

Women love chaos, drama, unaccountability, and a landscape of options. The opposite would be duty, responsibility, loyalty, honour, structure, and limits. When we put all aspects of women first, hold it as the ideal, then there will be a breakdown of all the structures that make society strong, free, meaningful, and prosperous. Woke = unbounded chaos, a beast with unlimited hunger that devours voraciously without end.

[@woutmoerman711]

Nope, woke is: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

[@jenniferj5324]

This is nonsensical.

[@monkey6207]

Hmm, if you want more women to be conservative, maybe you shouldn't pseudoscience them all day everyday. "You have no virtues and you should just accept that." K?

[@woutmoerman711]

@@jenniferj5324 you ate totally right, and not only that, it isn't true. The women around me are all the good things which were mentioned as aspects of men. Kind regards from the Netherlands.

[@maladyofdeath]

@@monkey6207 women can be whatever they want, doesn't change much.

[@lancewalker2595]

It's harder to realize the truth when the lies flatter your ego, much easier to call bullshit when the lie is a condemnation of your own humanity; so in the defense of women, the reason why young men are more aware than they are is because we had to develop our awareness because our nature as masculine beings has been under constant attack since early childhood.

[@LifeWithL3x]

Education plays a LARGE role in this, especially universities.

[@StudentOfLife.-ot6um]

I think more than it is the education it is the echo chamber.

[@woutmoerman711]

University studies often are very precise in the definition of words, while Peterson often tries to rape the meaning. Woke means aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). Webster dictionary.

[@LifeWithL3x]

@@StudentOfLife.-ot6um agreed but where does the echo start? For a lot of young adults in uni

[@LifeWithL3x]

@@woutmoerman711 thanks for sharing. Yeah I appreciate the precision of defining concepts at university. I don’t appreciate how in my experience you can’t bring up certain aspects of it outside of their definition, especially since many words have multiple meanings or things shift over time. Or if your take is not what they exactly want, you’ll get a lesser grade for comparable quality of someone who aligns more ideologically it seems.

[@StudentOfLife.-ot6um]

@@LifeWithL3x Perhaps in the most simple terms it is a matter of education, I just typed a crap ton and realized I'm speaking in terms unnecessarily detailed 😂

[@andrewkivela5668]

I would posit that the university shift to female dominance in the early 2000s was directly related to increased enlistments after 9/11.

[@davidcox3076]

You make a good point. There was certainly a smaller cohort of men going into the colleges.

[@DerStammtischphilosoph]

It started long before 2000.

[@vincentfalcone9218]

People like being told they are better than others. And woke ideology puts women above men.

[@williammkydde]

Not just better, but better without any merit, just by virtue of being born a certain way.

[@awsambdaman]

I think it’s mostly that being a victim is so advantageous, especially to women. You don’t have to adopt any responsibility to behave better towards others (because your anger is justified), none of your failings are your fault (the system is rigged against you), none of your relationship problems are your fault (men have been socialized to be horrible to women). And also, men don’t really get anything from being a victim. People tend not to feel as a bad for men, and other people tend to look at men with a victimhood complex as weak. Now this is good and bad, good because it’s a disincentive for men to view themselves as victims (which no one should) but also it’s bad because sometimes men are true victims and we tend not to care because we ascribe men a greater sense of agency

[@fredmiller6482]

What you might be suggesting is that there is a segment of the population that tends to align themselves with what they believe to be the "winning" side. It's less about ideology and more about wanting to associate with the side that they believe to be most advantageous.

[@ae-vil]

Great point. That's why we hear the "right side of history" phrase used as a threat.

[@Batterybus]

They think they are compassionate, but thinking of people in terms of groups is as dehumanizing as it gets.

[@trapdoor7232]

Compassion has nothing to do with any of this. It is a power trip.

[@danielreardon6453]

Yes. Young women (mothers) historically used their compassion mostly on children (Individual children in individual circumstances).... Now their compassion is applied to massive racial, sexual, cultural groups (collectives of people under seemingly all circumstances). How can you be compassionate to a group when they are all wildly different and individual? You have to dehumanize and stereotype the people in that group in order to be compassionate to that one group. Its very new in human history for human compassion being applied to groups consisting of millions of people. From learning a little bit about genocides throughout the 20th centuries, I noticed a pattern of the perpetrators having a strong theory/ideology that their group are victims of another group's oppression and their language starts becoming dehumanizing towards the oppressors... Compassion for one entity can lead to the destructive hatred of another if it is perceived to be the aggressor, which would make sense in regards to children.

[@shorletav]

Female-run large organizations preceding the 1990's: convents, charities, schools, nursing facilities, orphanages, women's colleges...there were also several large corporations founded by/run by women, most notably in the fashion and cosmetics industries, but also magazines and other businesses. Perhaps it's worth looking at how those were run, as compared with modern female-run organizations.

[@Francesca-yu5cy]

I am woman and agree with what has been said and the bad results of this naive trust and no child happened to me. I was naive and paid the price. People who trusted me unfortunately as well. But there is a second part of the story… man around me were not able to provide good enough life, were stressed, finally alcoholic some did not respect woman, business models where wrong so there was stress around, multiculti make it hard to see on time who you trust (so we were heart open to everyone) there was no place/value in being real woman(not even saying woman with kids/family) so we tried our best to have influence / led and our instincts misled us. It is hard to do so when we do not know man world (world). There are predators in business world. I have woman friends who are in trap (business, kids, career became a trap but they have no choice - the try to survive) and they say to me they regret having kids…. I personally think it is because multi-culti agenda.If we had only one culture, one official religion in a country then we could focus on common values and life. Nie there is no time to life - just trying to survive. Or getting borderline like between survival (hard heart) v very emotional. Adhdish…. I hope Christianity will become stronger in my country so I can enjoy life where people have common values and man will live in accordance with good values.

[@city_of_coompton6832]

"were not able to provide a good enough life" sure.... sure... you deserve the best... you're a woman, after all...

[@StudentOfLife.-ot6um]

Your english isn't very good but you did a great job getting your ideas across, the problem is largely centered on the role women play in society but it is multifaceted, we couldn't have ended up here if men didn't allow it, and men have basically given up their roles (for reasons we don't need to list) I'm sorry you came to this realization this late in life but I hope you make use of your knowledge by waking women around you, truly our life shouldn't be a story of surviving.

[@StudentOfLife.-ot6um]

I said "women around you" but there are men that aren't aware or simply don't care that need to be talked to.

[@EnchantEmerson]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I love Peterson's fashionable expression.

[@bluearchangel0015]

Ha, I noticed that too. I wondered if he had recently watched a Clint Eastwood movie. 😅

[@Waterfront975]

Young women will always support the winners. At present time the majority culture is woke and the orthodoxy is multiculturalism, so that is what they support. It is not so much a question of what is right and what is wrong, but rather what is order of the day that will make them seem most well adjusted and popular.

[@novelas3536]

This

[@m.c.martin]

And now that the culture is shifting back, women will come back to their senses

[@s.e.studios1386]

Actually, I did a philosophy undergrad and the women were definitely more contrarian and disagreeable. In general I haven't seen a gender divide on this. I find it funny when men say women will always support the winner, women will always go with the crowd. Really, what are you basing that on? 'Jordan Peterson said it' LOL! Oh I see! As if anything Peterson says has to be true.( not a cult at all) This whole comments section seems like a lot of emotion fuelled people, who have no interest in fact checking Peterson at all. They all just say what he says.

[@nochpo4230]

@@s.e.studios1386 your experience flies in the face of what most people are seeing an experiencing. I doubt what you say is true

[@SensEnigma]

@@s.e.studios1386completely false. The majority of women are democrat at the moment which is whats “popular” plenty of statistics support this. Male mannerisms are inherently disagreeable. Being disagreeable is a MASCULINE trait not a feminine trait. You are absolutely with certainty wrong on this. I cant stress that last part enough. Read that over and over again. The more masculine, the more disagreeable. The more masculine a man or woman the more propensity to be disagreeable. Women have NEVER been more contrarian or disagreeable than men. This is directly against biological FACT. Also you claiming authority by stating you did an undergrad is HILARIOUS considering Peterson has done it basically his whole life. Pro tip, dont cite authority when the person you disagree with has higher qualifications than you do. Considering on the dominance hierarchy, the more disagreeable means the higher on the scale, if what you said was true… women would be the more dominant gender … but they arent. You arent right on quite literally anything you have stated.

[@Aiphiae]

I'm a high school teacher. I could talk for *DAYS* about how this stuff has influenced education and just how unbelievably entrenched it is.

[@mrsp5713]

I agree with the observation by Dr Peterson regarding ‘misplaced maternal instinct’ secondary to our girls not having children until much later in life or not at all. We were created to nurture and bring forth life; makes so much sense. 🙏🏼

[@anwylhsm954]

I'm a woman who used to be on the left, back in the 90's anyway. It is truly empathy, and the Powers That Be (Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, the Rockefellers, the ROthschilds, Soros, etc.) are weaponizing empathy. It occurred to me one day, though, that back when only men were allowed to vote it wasn't that women had no say. The men cast the vote as representatives of the whole family. I brought this thought up to my dad, who is a philosophy professor, and he told me about the anti-suffragette movement - which we never learned about in school, of course - and sent me a dissertation a student had written about it. They were highly educated women who understood exactly this. And also understood that what it would mean is that now young, single people would be voting, and they vote impulsively, emotionally, and selfishly. They don't have families to think about so they don't even think about the future. Those people are incredibly easy to manipulate and control. And that, too, was by design. I don't, of course, think revoking our right to vote is the answer. But I would absolutely support raising the age to at least 25, if not 35. And the voter needs to have "skin in the game", so to speak. Tax payers, property owners, etc.

[@darev6780]

From nurturer ( outward attention giving ) to consumer ( inward attention giving ).

[@leetster6303]

@@anwylhsm954 the hole has already been dug and we have fallen in it pretty deep. i honestly don't know how we are going to revert back to normalcy but i know it wont be pretty.

[@1OnlyGot7]

@@anwylhsm954Womens vote should count 1/2 to 3/4 as much as men

[@city_of_coompton6832]

@@anwylhsm954 Look at what's happening in the Ukraine. Men and women vote for Zelensky (I'd be interested to see the male to female ratio of who voted for him). When Russia invades, Zelensky declares women can flee the country but men from age 18-60 must stay so they can conscripted and sent to the front lines get blown up by drones in ditches. In times of crisis and war men will ALWAYS be expected to carry the greater burden and make greater sacrifices.

[@icebough4191]

It’s all about hypergamy, abortion, the duel sexual strategy All of their political ideology derives from this

[@songsthatarecatchy]

Those are all just symptoms. It all comes from Marxism actually.

[@PukikiQuaker]

I believe that people express their respect for life and prevention in different ways. Most women have had to show a great deal of mercy. The problem is seeing yourself as a second class citizen instead of designating yourself with honor from within. I have admiration for people who try to be fair and conduct a root cause analysis like Dr. Peterson. Compassion is what balances excessive force and levels the playing field. I may be conservative at the state level and liberal at the national level depending on where I am and what’s going on.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

It is biological imperatives taking political form.

[@PukikiQuaker]

@@dreamingmusic3299 The same thing can be said about males exercising too much force or dominance and displaying a primitive lack of resolve. Hyper-vigilance of inactive threats is considered a disorder.

[@dreamingmusic3299]

@@PukikiQuaker - "Most women have had to show a great deal of mercy." Then explain the abortion rate. vvomen are much more likely to delete the elderly and young children. It's almost unheard of for a man to delete a child.

[@thefinaldispatch]

I graduated high school in 2003 and didn’t go to university or college other than carpentry school where there was little to no interaction with women but the changes in women in the last 20 years are apparent, just maybe not as obvious to me as if I were born slightly later. My cousin is a radical feminist and fits all the criteria that JP mentioned; female, not the brightest, temperamental, and took a few classes in women’s rights. Off the deep end now to the point that she hates almost all men while not having to work because she lives in her parents house that they worked their asses off the last 40 years to pay for. The woke frontier seems to have taken her mind

[@truxton1000]

Women always has to choose the option that on the surface is "kind" and caring, taking the side of the "weak" person. They rarely look at the long term consequences.

[@thorswole7338]

Every young girls bio I see has pronouns on there. I’ve rarely seen it with dudes