Why Your Modern Pokemon Investments Stopped Working

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[@tyrants3062]

PSA made half a mil from looking at champion path charizards

[@pcgtrader]

i wonder who made more of Pokemon cards the last 2 years, PSA or eBay??

[@nolan8859]

@@pcgtrader psa

[@Mosessousa1]

@@pcgtraderebay

[@jonathancastronova6954]

The difference between modern and wotc is wotc was played with and modern is Immediately sleeved

[@leop12768]

Exactly I think a lot of people failed to see that.

[@GeorgeBot7]

Yes and it's not just a few more are sleeved or double. It's probably 100x or 500x more holos being sleeved than were sleeved in 1999.

[@Epsylon21]

And not only that, it is combined with way less printing relative to today. Even with more people in the hobby.

[@131313MOCS]

Remember how vivid voltage got to about $300? Imagine evolving skies came out in 2020.

[@muckersTGN]

Interesting point about the role modern plays, and how that applied to WOTC. I wouldn't have the slightest bit of interest in vintage if my lasting memories were of putting it in my closet. Instead, there's emotional attachment of filling binders, trading at school, building decks, heading to hobby shops with friends and opening packs together. It's different for everyone but I would say a vast majority of my age range (I'm in my 30s) would feel the same. We all talk about how we wish we never opened up all those 1st Edition Neo packs or put that Dark Blastoise in a card saver instead of loose in a deck box. But truth is, we wouldn't care about it in the same way if we didn't enjoy them in that way. That's why I agree with you about some modern TCGs. They're Kickstarted with "investing" in mind, and little else.

[@moonboy5851]

💯bro

[@gigiizzy5651]

Personally I just get one extra of anything I like so that if it ever goes up on price I will not be tempted to sell my only copy. I don't plan on getting rich. Juat to hopefully buy back my collection.

[@headPokemon3126]

This is the best way to go about the hobby if you're extremely serious, like me. This is how I move. Just add a zero to that 1 extra and that's me. I'm terrible. Lol

[@gigiizzy5651]

@@headPokemon3126 I just don't ever want to be in a position where I would consider selling a card I like because it raised in price. Or my children or grand children will be tempted to sell the collection I worked so hard on :(

[@zaminator9016]

From Evolutions i could see the STAFF Charizard and the MEW 1st 2ed 3ed & 4th place Card be a good example of a good modern investment.

[@Kangasconrad]

Ive been going to stores on random days and stock still on the shelves. Been nice to see. Later last year I started being more strategic in my buying and not just buying new products because its new. I started allocating funds much differently from the beginning of the Pandemic. Building mini collections of my favorite cards. Lots of great points here. Luckily I held to my dollars and got some reprints that I hadnt added to my collection yet. Looking forward to see what the next 5-10 years hold for the hobby and diversifying my Poke-folio.

[@TwoQuickOnes]

I've had a Darkness Ablaze booster box i got years ago......walked into target the other day and saw some fresh DA packs on the shelf lol

[@visd.9344]

Definitely some good points in the video. As someone who does invest some in modern ( I also have alot of fun in the hobby period) people are definitely lying about 10x in 2 year on anything chilling reign; However I do believe modern is very investable, but people need to realize you may have to hold for the long run. Modern will become vintage. There is a huge next generation of pokemon collectors that have come about through the whole pandemic era. Parents that loved pokemon as kids are sharing the hobby and playing the game with their kids. Pokemon is in a great spot and I strongly believe history will just continue to repeat itself. I think how many graded copies of this or that is kinda just irrelevant when it comes to investing in sealed product. People buy old and new products to open everyday to chase cards etc. But I believe the experience is the number one reason why this happens. I've always felt like pulling the chase card in a set is great and you complete that chase but ultimately I think the chase is more exciting than the result. People will open hundreds of packs to pull a chase card when they could have just went out and bought a near mint copy for far less. I think people miss that point alot.

[@Bootymeatson]

This

[@XrossfireOfficial]

Excellent points

[@markrodriquez6447]

Solid points. I enjoy the experience of trying to pull my own chase cards.

[@chirashi1132]

Modern won’t become vintage LOL

[@SuperDeano1000]

The thing is, there's also a lot of other people holding for the long run. Unless there's another universal lock down in the future, these modern cards aren't going to reach the heights people think they will. You could look at the investments as a "safe" way of saving money for later. You also need to consider PayPal and eBay fees because unless you make 25% on anything, you're down. Even then, you're just back at square one with the cash you started on. Your geographical location also makes a big difference because in the UK the card market isn't as easy as US. Same as the retro game collecting. I've invested in modern slightly myself with a few ETBs but honestly, I wish I hadn't bothered.

[@gogicollects]

Great video! Do you invest in modern sealed?

[@anonymoususer3496]

People who didn't live through the 1999 experience just don't get it. You had to be there.

[@hoila4718]

Sometimes few words and an anonymous user say enough.. In 2000 Base set Unl. Packs were 5.5 euros the weeks after the first wave, or 10 dollar if you reevaluate the for inflation. It was the craziest mania I've ever experienced in my life. Old man at bars knew who Pikachu was... Without internet, socials or influencers.

[@Teacherguy06]

Thanks for some solid knowledge my man ...new subscriber.

[@tayloradams245]

It's an odd argument that is being made here when you can see he is collecting modern pokemon products, I'm confused.

[@PabeLg91]

His point is to collect to collect. When you collect to invest, it’s not going to have the same result.

[@cuddysendsit3043]

What’s your thoughts on investing in only psa graded cards?

[@JoeeBebop]

What’s the MSRP on a Master Scroll?

[@Robert-ju1zb]

I could also make an argument that all these "alternative Art" cards are like the renaissance of Pokemon cards. I think those cards appeal to not only card collectors but artwork collectors. I find myself enjoying those cards so much more than the dumb rainbow rares. They are way more fun to look at and see all the detail. I think they will appreciate like great artwork appreciates in value over time.

[@Faber0k]

Such a great topic. If everyone just stock piled wotc, noone would care about it today because not enough people would have had the experience to create memories and therefore future nostalgia. Wotc is expensive because it mostly got opened up. People everywhere are stockpiling sealed modern product right now. Its very unlikely that what we call modern today will ever catch up to wotc. Not until prices plummet, then everyone decides might as well open everything, only then will it start to increase in value. Just my opinion.

[@enthused7591]

"It couldn't even get up to the Chansey 120 hp!" Lmao

[@GTIBROS]

I love seeing the flex table every episode 💪💪

[@kid_gen]

Great video, and you hit the most important point for me, which is that a lot more people are buying these products and holding on to them than they did in 1999 when it all began. So realistically, in 20 years you're going to be able to buy a lot more sealed modern product than you can find today for Base, Jungle, or Fossil sets. I would say that in 10 years time anyone that is anxiously holding on to these products for turning a profit is going to be dumping the products on the market. So we'll have periods where a race-to-the-bottom condition happens for some modern sets, and we see downward price trajectories before picking back up.

[@CoolTrainerTony]

A good comparison could be to our older brother magic

[@vintagecardboardusa]

On the flip side of that argument... We have thousands more youtubers/streamers/box-breakers than during the 1999 collecting era, or even the 2009 era. Will the reduction in supply through these large umbers of box-breaks be enough to reduce the supply of sealed product to a point that makes it a reliably investable asset over a 10 year period? Hard to say.

[@hoila4718]

@@vintagecardboardusa look at Fallen Empire from MTG. Crqzu Supply kills every demand

[@christopherbrown1613]

fill up a couple pages in your binder with alt arts, you will probably be in the $1000+ range depending on your taste and budget.

[@hdsoupp232]

Good points, especially about the risk, Pokemon printing more&more, influenceurs saying "easy bet" BUT -Popularity can grow, -Inflation will make msrp higher -Once Pokemon stops printing a set, the quantity of sealed products of the set goes down which pushes its price higher

[@josephkocherhans5545]

I really enjoy your content more than the other too pokemon KZbinrs. You have a great collection. Did you ever stop collecting Pokémon for a period of time or you never stopped? And don’t want to bug you but I was wondering if you could lead me in the best direction or place to buy a near mint raw Neo Discovery Umbreon Japanese (or English) for a pretty good price? It doesn’t have to be perfect for grading. I just love the artwork and want it for my collection. Keep making these great and informative videos!

[@pablooverthinkshit8763]

How do I get that Mewtwo hat in the background though

[@BT-su1yf]

You get it for free when you buy your first Pikachu Illustrator card.

[@hellboy1488]

So what about sealed mordern like vivid Voltage over the next 10years?

[@PatTattsPowerChannel]

I don't know Scott this is a tough one but I can agree with you on Xy evolutions throwing the anchor down and staying still for a while that was one good point 😎 take care man see you in the next one

[@smackdaddy710]

What about jpn modern.. like eevee heroes, blue sky stream, dream league..

[@digismithytcg]

I am in the camp that the heart of the hobby, whether you play, collected, or invest, will always be about the cards. People say sealed product is investable, which I won't argue because I think it is, but I only see it in a 10 year window. We are not in the quick flip investing since the Boom is on the decline. As far as ETBs, people always forget about the other costs there is to collecting said item. ETBs take up space. And that space adds up quick. It will also have a certain value, but its true value will be hindered when you do try to cash out the item and sell it. Unless you do it local, shipping and materials to ship it does have extra costs and does have effort. Now for me, I always love the cards and like to deal with the actual cards. For $40, I think I'd rather put my money on a card like the Marnie Promo. It goes for like $35. I believe Marnie is a more better character and arguably just as popular as Lillie from Sun & Moon. $250 for Lillie from Ultra Prism? Now I doubt Marnie due to it's high print will ever get to $250, but I wouldn't be surprised if it hit $100. But again, it is only speculation just like any Pokemon investment is.

[@Doors067]

If your going for marnie go japanese or sword and shield base full art non rainbow marnie

[@digismithytcg]

@@Doors067 For sure. Both are on my list, but even though the Japanese one might perform better, I probably will go with the SwSh Base Marnie. I usually only get Japanese cards with no English counterparts.

[@simongamer987]

Japanese will not be affected by the recent printer acquisition, idk why people still collect English

[@Sherlock-rc2ed]

I think the BnJ’s dunk FnF case behind you is a nice flex

[@zacharymorris9912]

I can’t even begin to tell you how many grown man would be in line to buy Pokémon cards saying you never know this could be the next $500,000 Pokémon card box lol

[@Philosophee]

Just the advice I was waiting for 👍

[@zacharylewis417]

I always look at 5 year intervals for any investments in collectibles.

[@willpower1177]

If you go back to the previous Sun & Moon era, have those sets not gone up in value? Are you still finding Cosmic Eclipse booster boxes, Team Up booster boxes, Hidden Fates ETBs, or Shining Legends ETBs at msrp? If so, please let me know where. Sure, everything from an era isn't going to perform equally as great but that's where a little research helps. Do you think Evolving Skies and Brilliant Stars booster boxes will still be near msrp in 5 years? Take the top 20 cards from either of those sets and you'll have to spend $1,000+ to buy all of those singles. That's what sets Evolving Skies and Brilliant Stars apart. Chilling Reign has a terrible pull rate while Vivid Voltage and Darkness Ablaze are too top heavy. Those 3 will be far outpaced by Evolving Skies and Brilliant Stars.

[@deana6072]

"Printer go brrrr" simple concept not complicated at all.

[@willpower1177]

@@deana6072 sure but once they move on to the gen 9 era, quantity of sealed product for previous eras will only continue go down. Pokémon hasn't shown us that they're willing to reprint from previous generations... yet. Evolving Skies booster boxes are already knocking on $200/box even with an expected reprint and it's less than a year old. Not to mention these were easy to pick up at $100/box just a few months ago.

[@willpower1177]

@@LostLosty I believe he knows quite a bit about sealed products but I also believe he has ulterior motives which he will not divulge publicly. He specifically chooses Chilling Reign, Vivid Voltage, and Darkness Ablaze to make his point (3 somewhat underwhelming sets from the S&S era). When you look at sealed product like Cosmic Eclipse, Team Up, Hidden Fates, Shining Legends, Evolving Skies, and Brilliant Stars, it's easy to see that modern sealed product has a place. A little research will show you what sets to collect. This video exemplifies the vintage snob mentality and shows how they are willing to depict modern sealed collecting in a negative light to push their own agendas.

[@Rocketsnail1000]

And what percentage of sun and moon sets were kept sealed versus the percentage of post Logan Paul sets being kept sealed?

[@EnriqueShockwave216]

Truth be told, we had a black swan event coupled with astronomical growth that anything released pre 2020 wasn't printed enough for the current demand. The prices of anything released before lockdown went up because of that, modern product released before 2020 is not the same as modern product released after 2020. I'm not saying that no one should be investing in modern ok(churn and burn is very much alive and lucrative), but Pratte's point is absolutely valid when considering the fundamentals. The numbers looking good right now does not mean they will continue to look good for everything going forward. We are in a completely different Pokemon world, and alot has changed in the past 2 years to where it's a night and day difference.

[@fernandomarroquin8901]

Pokemon discontinued Staff Prerelease and that stuff is stonkasaurus rex at this point and it doesn't even matter the card cuz that stuff was tricky to grade high even when it was available

[@lbangerproductions6493]

Completely agree back in the 90’s the cards were bought to be opened now people buy to hoard and to each their own if you have the money to do it why not but if you are investing in modern as your only source of investment you beating yourself up. Obviously those chilling reign ETB’s will be worth more in 20 years there is no doubt about that but think of all the money you could have made in just an average performing ETF? At the end of the day do what you think is best for you.

[@TheAnalyticGengar]

Lot of real nuggets of wisdom in this video, time and popularity are the determining functions in the math that will be able to predict what a modern set or item will be worth. and "modern" from back in the day is not the same as the modern from today, where its so widely speculated on and invested in.

[@nostalgic_pokemon_memories]

great video!

[@aterriblesliceoftoast4096]

I’m having a great time collecting now. Prices have dropped on sealed or Atleast the sealed I wanted, singles are abit more reasonable, and I’ve finally nearly completed my master set of Chilling reign 😂 Good news all round imo

[@JupiterSailfish]

Chilling Reign was the first set I've bought a booster box for since way back in the day and I was like "Well I'll try and complete this set". Didn't realize it was so big lmao. That's awesome you were able to complete it!! What did you do for all the full arts? Just eBay hunt?

[@deana6072]

I'm happy you guys finally got your collection 😁

[@thecasualcanuck4590]

The thing is, it's cool to invest in pokemon for sure. But if you enjoy the hobby, it's great to invest to collect. I've never been in this hobby for the money. The recent drops in vintage has been nothing but good for me. I love to collect. But an investment is still an investment. There is no guarantee. You may make money, but at the end of the day, the chances of you losing out are much higher. Especially with modern, without the scalpers, product is abundant. Great video as always man!

[@abrjoergen]

So happy I sold my Charizard Evo psa 9 for $700 and bought a heavy base set pack.

[@matthiasstykar2216]

High risk

[@ZeGD-wg8tr]

Thank you sir

[@dspokemoncards6184]

I can agree with you on most of your stuff but there are some things gaining value and you don't talk about any of that Celebrations ETBs and evolving skies and the Celebration UPC or any of the pokemon center etbs i don't think a lot of modern is worth buying but there is stuff you could bought and made money on.

[@gamesake999]

I used to hunt down evolving skies sealed blisters for months but that was for fun. I actually found 3 at msrp. I just like the hunt.

[@FranklyCollecting]

Where are all these Chilling Reign ETB stonk videos? I must have gotten lost in the wrong corner of TCG KZbin 😁

[@WSFM_Rex]

Smprattes very good at saying things* after they happen

[@WSFM_Rex]

@mr2wolfD prediction ?

[@WSFM_Rex]

@mr2wolfD I’m just saying that by the time you “wait for these facts” it’s already pretty obvious everything that he’s saying. Imo smpratte just doesn’t really say anything important anymore, maybe I’ve gained all the knowledge i can from him but he hasn’t said anything surprising to me in months.

[@WSFM_Rex]

@mr2wolfD yea man Scott’s a 🐐

[@legendary_mewchu2185]

Thoughts on Japanese “modern”? Always seems to be shorter print runs and better inherent quality for grading. The price on Full Art trainers from BW and XY era isn’t to be laughed at. It seems these era’s were played and difficult to find mint.

[@leeroy5639]

Personally I think Japanese modern is the better investment in all aspects except liquidity. But I don’t buy modern for quick flips so I’m okay with that.

[@kb1039]

Our gentleman smpratte 👌

[@magnificcenTCG]

For people willing to wait over time, everything will go up in value. However certain products and sets will def perform better. Pokemon center exclusive ETBS will perform better than the normal etbs. Items that dont get reprints will do better, such as ultra premium collections. Sets such as Evolving skies will increase in value much better than something like Darkness ablaze. If rebel clash and steam siege can rise in value a bit, pretty much any set can. I dont bother buying all the other smaller tins, collection boxes, milk cartons, pokeballs etc I call those filler items with no real value other than maybe a decent promo card. except for something such as the Flareon/jolton/vaporeon vmax boxes, those I never once saw in stores. At any rate, buy what you enjoy and dont worry about the value.

[@andrewwadsworth1143]

Just got a psa 10 japanese rainbow vmax charizard winner card. There are only 600 in existence and only 158 were psa 10. According to psa pop report says a psa 9 sold for 7000. I got my 10 for 7750. I figured since the population will never go up it was a good long term investment. Whats your thoughts on my purchase? Worth it due to low pop or not and why?

[@brosettastone7520]

this certainly didnt age well xD

[@matale66]

I do really love these cards but I never had them. Recently they caught my attention once again and I've been thinking about starting my own collection so I've been going back and forth for about a month since I'm not quite sure whether it is a good idea or not. I had a good economic past which allow me to have extra money to spend in something like this, but my present is just okay which is why I can't help seeing this as an investment if I went through with it. I have no one to play with so it would definitely be seen as an investment and after seeing this video and knowing about the upcoming recession I think I sadly have to pass. I will still be in depth with my inner child lol

[@dub._.3839]

Theres no movement because they are still in rotation when they stop getting repinted youll see prices rise. Down the line when we get older the population will grow with it as well as our nostalgia theres also the thing with people deciding to open up product when they think theyre at a loss leaving less to be found in the market. Yeah theres no gain market for singles or graded slabs going up in the future but that also goes for vintage, too much of it out there wait till psa opens and prices crash for both. Look at sun and moon sealed its still going up and will keep doing so same with sword and shield specially when some sets and artwork are so much better in comparison. Id suggest for people to invest in the next Evolving skies reprint if youll even be able to get your hands on it as market manipulation is at its finest with that set with everyone holding product and demand not being met. I mean same thing happens with stock everyone holds and forces the price to go up significantly over time slowly but surely it gets the job done. Personally I purchased 39 Evolving skies booster boxes back when they were 104$ look at them now 🥶Im pretty sure if I hold on to them for 5 years ill get back a minimum 500 a box guaranteed.

[@headPokemon3126]

Phenomenal play my guy. I've got a few but I want a couple sealed cases of evolving skies when reprinted. I knew itd be the best set of this era. I have so much evolving skies product. Just wish I thought bigger when it came out. Evolving skies was the set that came out when I got into modern, been in vintage since cosmic. Dont be bearish on anything. I hate that I was so bearish on modern.

[@dub._.3839]

​@@headPokemon3126 I spent my tax returns when my little brothers face lit up as soon as he got the alt art umbreon vmax on our 40th pack and told myself "this is the one" when buying these cases at 3 am have not regretted any purchase after. I currently spend 500 on sealed weekly and can tell you im up like 5k now half of my collection is Evolving skies and wake up happier by the day hope you get the chance to spend a few thousand on the reprint with good deals of course, ill be doing the same!

[@jameschinn845]

Indeed

[@PatchsOhulahan]

I sold 3 of my evo zard PSA9’s for 350 a pop haha!

[@JW-sz7ku]

Evolutions is like Lebron sat for 4 years doing nothing. Not true Lebron value didn’t stay stagnant while he sat haha

[@jjt7071]

Why do you bring up modern products that got reprinted or are trash like chilling reign etb.... maybe bring up a set like cosmic Eclipse from 2019 and it's selling for $450 or even sword and shield base booster boxes selling for $220 from 2 years ago. Hell even rebel clash booster boxes are selling for over $200. You need to open up a little and get out of investing in only the rarer, minter, older.

[@AKcam7]

he said Chore-ee-Zord

[@basedzayde339]

I agree

[@TracksideViews]

They cranked the printer machines up to 11

[@electrictrip2901]

Ha

[@Kikan319]

A lot of people investing in modern forget that it took 20 years and a pandemic to make everything skyrocket. I remember Master sets of Base unlimited selling for like 120 bucks in 2019 early 2020. I remember Base Set 1st Edition selling for less than 10k, Base Set for 800. Jungle 600 etc etc. Hell, Even Base Set Japanese no barcode boxes selling for 1200. But then the hyped died down a lot. We are now seeing prices come down on a lot of stuff and starting to balance out. Will we see that again in another 20 years? That is very hard to say. Hell something catastrophic could happen between now and 20 years where none of this matters whatsoever and everyone is left holding boxes, slabs and tins.

[@justanothercollector43]

7:52 message

[@ealbar1]

Of course you can cherry pick the chilling reigns that flop and ultimately don’t spike, but the same on the other side. Using your exact example of a champions path ETB not being rare and having the most graded zards. It's MSRP was $50 and is now pretty frequently selling for $100+. A 100% return in less than 2 years is substantially better than the S&P. If anyone is genuinely expecting a CP ETB to skyrocket and be able to 10x any time soon, then yea they are definitely misguided and need this advice, but hopefully those are very few and far between. How does "popularity before product" only apply to modern and not "vintage"? The same boom that lead to a 500k zard is also responsible for those evolutions boxes reaching $700+.

[@pokebronxakaunclerico]

Thumbs up 👍

[@guccimane3731]

Go kings go!!!

[@roythecrazy2790]

I’m hearing this, that, 🤪🤪 i’m so confuse and about to blow🔥🔥🔥 should i burn all my seal collection!? I probably I will!!! No answer not sure may be this that then KZbinr telling people to check there site and trying to sell there product …..so on and on…

[@pokecrib2626]

For years I buy a box every week if i have it my children and i crack it. If I don't it joins the pokebins lol Hopefully my sons keep this pattern going forever.

[@jakubkulakowski]

That's so not true. It's super easy to make 15-30% profit on most modern boxes within 1-2 years since release

[@ragunamist677]

Chilling reign was a vastly unpopular set. I don’t get the etb joke

[@Bahamut_Mega]

You absolutely can invest in new sealed Pokemon... However... You need to be able to lock that money away for on average 10 years plus. When I buy any sealed TCGs for investment I'm aiming for a 4X - 5X return in 10 years. If you average a 12% return year over year in stocks you'll 3X your money in 10 years with compound interest. So any investment I make that hits 3X in 10 years is a win in my book.

[@lun7n]

Word

[@aligavriel9113]

I'm my opinion modern won't always stay modern,when I buy something to put away as an investment I'm looking to 5-10 years before even thinking about selling, there will always be new collector's that didn't have a chance to pick up the items you've picked up, the main thing is just enjoy it.

[@29396]

thats its im selling all my champions path etbs & buying exclusively fortnite tcg booster boxes

[@tcgtonysamazingpulls]

Invest in 1997 Toyota Pika promos

[@acheronXcomplex]

Let’s go BLUUUUUUUES!

[@dereklee796]

What’s wrong with the “pokemon investing craze” now is that they miss the true point of why the Pokemon Cards were created in the first place. Sure, collecting is one but it was playing the game with your friends and enjoying the literal PURPOSE. These days in American Schools you won’t see kids trading pokemon cards or playing on the cafeteria tables. And I’ll make a bold statement; half of American Kids and Adults who collect and invest in don’t even know how to play the literal game they are spending $200 - $500 to hold for the long term. I’m not gonna predict anything, but if it keeps continuing like this pokemon investing is BOUND to fail.

[@mach389]

👍👍

[@TheBilf]

My Evolving Skies Cases have 2x in price. My Celebration UPCs have 3x in price. Celebration ETB cases 1.5x. Brilliant Stars cases 1.4x. Modern seems to be working well for me😂Just need to invest in quality modern sets and product, it’s not that hard

[@akushner11]

Celebrations is a perfect example of this. I know so many people holding on to sealed celebrations ETBs thinking they'll go up a lot in the next year or two. In reality, so many more people are holding on to it when compared to Generations and it's still readily available. I'm a collector of pre-release cards, and even the early BW cards go for cheap because they're not scarce (still waiting for that Clefable PSA 10 to pop up, if ever!)

[@hoila4718]

Because they are not scarse? Bro who was buying B&W packs back in the days?... It's because that's very low demand for them imho. Better for us, niche collectors ❤️

[@akushner11]

@@hoila4718 I'm talking about pre-release promos. B&W pre-release promos are just as cheap as the SWSH ones, sometimes even cheaper from what I've seen. Sealed B&W is a different topic, but I was just referring to pre-release promos

[@hoila4718]

@@akushner11 yeah, I intended the same thing. Nobody was carrying about Pokémon packs, Promos or boxes back in B&W era and nowadays the Promos are very cheap because still today there isn't any demand for them

[@pokepixs1936]

Celebrations WILL continue to rise, and quicker than just about any other set. Why? Because Pokemon won't be reprinting it. EVER. What is out there is all that is out there. What is opened will never be replenished. Those who know went big on Celebrations, even with people saying things like "It is everywhere, no one wants it", etc. Talk to me in three years when UPCs are $1k and regular ETBs are $400.

[@akushner11]

@@pokepixs1936 I agree in the longer term, I was talking about people thinking the standard ETBs will double in value in a year or two, which won't be the case. UPCs are obviously a different story as they were very scarce upon release, and were already selling way above MSRP. It still holds true though that more people are holding celebrations sealed product compared to Generations at release, and Generations did take a long time to actually show a significant jump in value

[@headPokemon3126]

I think it's good people are atleast putting their money into something besides going out and wasting it. That's good, right?

[@HesiJimboSplash]

No. Stop it. The champions path promo was a promo in a every etb. And guess what? The highest tier product was the etb, no bbs were made. Imagine giving every person that opened evolving skies a rayquava v, the population would be crazy

[@PokeMartin]

All the poketubers told me that investing is a bad word 😶

[@lakamokolaka]

I am just a collector who wants to complete my card collection but I am getting really sick of the greedy weridos that came in when jake paul came into the community and ruining the market for both buyers and sellers.

[@mrjuls53]

I don't get the "this is modern" logic. Id rather pick shit up now when its printed and at its all time low, than wait for X amount of years and its on the up. Everything is modern and turns into vintage lol if the point was to tell people, don't expect a big jump in price for 4,5,6,7 etc. years, of course.

[@fathuddinfathy5200]

Imagine there are 10000 collectors worldwide doing the same, they stocked up the modern X amount of boxes, all waited for the years and when the price gone up a bit they all dump the market at the same time. The only bet here is the demand is to outpace the freaking huge amount of supply 7 years later

[@diamondhandspokemon5918]

This is the thought that has been working away in my subconscious for the last few years. Thank you for articulating it.

[@Fab1LouS]

[@Philosophee]

Nice haircut

[@kennywynn1513]

Nice couch

[@CHITOWNMVP]

Scott, this just a terrible take. Don’t get me wrong, I have total respect for your content, but this video is just terrible. Bad take after bad take. Just disappointing to say the least.

[@OpinionatedChicken59]

I'm sorry, are modern investments supposed to pay off right away or something? Because I was under the impression that an investment is something you buy and hold onto for years until it stops being printed and starts going up in value? That's always how it works, it's why those cards that came out in the 90s are worth so much now! They were modern once, they weren't worth anything in 1997! Do people expect their fusion strike and battle styles cards to be worth 10 times as much not even a year after release??? If you're only seeking small short term gains on products that are new and still being printed that's not investing, it's scalping.

[@RAM_C5]

This 100%. It doesn't even matter if it's popular set or not, with people opening sealed out of print means prices on sealed go up regardless. It's a long term investment but definitely an ROI.

[@Throwingknifekiller]

Smort

[@levisnguyen1363]

Speaking facts, closet hoarders 🤣

[@AlphaWasSpotted]

investing in modern is totally possible, but you just gotta store it away for 15 years lol

[@jackielife7145]

No way, it took 20 years for the old ones to get to where it is now and thats the old wotc cards/boxes ..its not about the time too its about the supply and demand and expectations. Back then no one held onto the boxes and no one hoped it will go up, everyone opened it and had organic love towards it......NOWADAYS everything about pokemon cards is about money so everyone and their mothers are holding onto and its been massively printed to the ground. No way would it be the same it was before even in 30 years.

[@jackielife7145]

also one might as well invest in something else if it takes that long. Lets say it will 2x-3x in price in 15 years then what.... first you have to sell it then taxes will come and fee then there is inflation ...you are back to where you started or gained little... you might as well invest in stocks and real estates.

[@brettlewis2900]

And there is zero guarantee that it will do what vintage did in that time span growth wise.

[@AlphaWasSpotted]

I agree, it's a risk just like everything else. There are also many more ways to invest for quicker returns. Patience is a virture though, and I love the hobby enough to hold on and store modern for the next 50 years (if i live that long). Who knows, stranger things have happened.

[@jackielife7145]

​@@AlphaWasSpotted Yea if you like card then by all means go for it. I buy things I like too but to just invest in things just for money there are far better alternatives than this.

[@sorrycashonly5651]

modern isn't really investment at this point... it's more or less for collectors.... I spent a lot of money to collect psa 9-10 alt art cards, and I honestly don't expect the value of those cards will explode like vintage. There are too many ppl to treat Pokemon as an investment, instead of a hobby :/ If you want to invest in Pokemon, invest in vintage.... or sealed boxes

[@manmosuP-man]

I agree!!! I don't see the value in the new card PSA10.The only cards that are worth anything are over 15 years old.

[@BT-su1yf]

My man smpratte out here taking shots at Metazoo, that’s what I like to see

[@swoopthescripter7771]

about to watch this if he says fundamental's once im gonna lose it

[@swoopthescripter7771]

2:08 GOD dam it

[@zaijal1572]

Yeah I think there are numerous problems with modern investors and their mindsets - looking at a 3-5 year timeframe for deciding how popular something will be in the scale of what will likely be a human lifetime or more when talking about the full lifetime of Pokemon start to eventual finish. A smart modern investor buys and sells popularity as you mention - and long term they buy the oldest possible sets. It's about smart arbitrage and picking your products with actual forethought. This ain't your grandmas pokemon.

[@deana6072]

Oh they ain't gonna like this video

[@Blitzz]

I don't see how people don't get that you'll be waiting for SOOOOO much longer for modern to move over a set which is 10+ years old and holds more fundamentals + WOTC literally shits on everything

[@ThePokeMartian]

I AM NOT A CLICKBAIT CHANNEL! jk nice video hopefully the dummies can understand what your saying