Why ?

[@AL_O0]

Because apparently manufacturers decided that customers want thin phones and manufacturing an expensive glass back with a large bump to make the rest of the phone thinner is apparently more important than making it thicker and filling the rest of the space with battery

[@NMZS]

Filling the rest of the space with battery makes phones uncomfortably heavy.

[@AL_O0]

@@NMZS make phones smaller and use lighter plastic instead of heavy glass and metal

[@s8wc3]

​@@AL_O0This was a very common complaint with early Samsung galaxy phones. "Ew its plasticky". People think they want glass and metal because it feels good to touch and show off. Then you have to work to keep the weight down so it's not unbearable. (Nevermind that HTC offered both 'premium' materials, high specs and a good android ui, people had already made their mind up that only iPhones and SGSs were applicable. Rant only relevant in 2011 over)

[@victorkreig6089]

No the manufacturers did not decide STEVE JOBS decided.thats what we needed and everyone else had to follow suit because "oh if apple does something we don't nobody will buy our phones!"

[@victorkreig6089]

​@@s8wc3all hail the LG G5

[@junoestro]

hes not complaining at all I dont understand why people are saying he is, because he literally said multiple times that hes not complaining

[@lazyposy]

Exactly 😁

[@mattiscool11118]

He is: Not complaining ✅ Owns an iPhone 5 ✅ Breathes oxygen ✅

[@dinozaurpickupline4221]

​@@mattiscool11118He is a lucky man

[@dinozaurpickupline4221]

​@@mattiscool11118He's happy

[@GameOver-nm2us]

Sexy accent ✅ This man has it all!

[@utfigyii5987]

imagine if they just thickened the phone to match the cameras and put a bigger battery and cooling into it

[@NMZS]

Imagine having to hold that in your hand. Many phones already weigh 200g.

[@phongvu-ju5rm]

careful, you're starting to make sense. you don't want to know what apple do to the people that make sense.

[@victorkreig6089]

​@NMZS except that's wrong, HMD has already proven that you can squeeze out insane amounts of battery life without having massive batteries. But the super killer graphix! arms race won't allow it, if you aren't running a super strong cpu mouth breathers deride your phone and say it's under powered and won't buy it. My Nokia 6.1 wipes the floor with pretty much every smartphone out currently and it came out in 2018, the only reason I don't use it is because it can't reach 5g bands

[@bliss_gore5194]

​@@victorkreig6089 manufacturer's putting 3 modes in the cpu's power as default can help a lot. saves battery when you dont need it, there when you do

[@iscander_s]

What's next? Adding an SD-card slot? Headphones jack? Don't be ridiculous, nobody want's a good phone

[@Atmos_Glitch]

That _"What you doing???"_ in the elevator is golden lmao!

[@macktheinterloper]

Scandalous. This isn't lazy at all. This took effort. I was lied to! Alas, as someone who's been using iPhones since the 3G, I fully echo your sentiment. The 5S was my favourite, and while I appreciate the larger screens, the camera bump and the easily breakable materials infuriate me.

[@mactep1]

What else could they realistically use?, plastic sucks and it would be unacceptable in a device this expensive and metal breaks NFC and wireless charging.

[@tamiwu0346]

I miss plastic phones. I don't know how phone manufactures managed to make us believe that glass was a more premium option when it breaks way easier than anything else.

[@mildphil]

@@mactep1"plastic sucks" that's subjective, samsung galaxy S FE phones use plastic in place of glass and it looks/ functions fine. Your argument about it being unacceptable for an expensive phone is also nonsense, if it is superior in function (the plastic) then what does it matter? Not like glass is expensive or even premium, it's used in many disposable items. I'd much rather have a durable plastic back with a high toughness, over a fragile piece of glass with considerablely less toughness. Both allow the use of wireless charging and NFC; Glass is objectively the worse choice.

[@blastbottles]

​@@tamiwu0346plastic phones still exist, they made them feel less like plastic though, googles pixel a series phones have a plastic back but you won't be able to notice the difference

[@mactep1]

@@mildphil Plastic does suck, it scratches way too easily, doesn't feel solid in the hand and looks worse, its a worse thermal conductor, its a much worse structural material(especially on the sizes of today) and its much less recyclable/worse for the envionment, it might be fine for a budget/midrange device, but if im paying 500+ for something i expect a little more than just "fine".

[@Ryleeeee]

now I really appreciate the google pixel's symmetrical camera thing, it passes the desk test :)

[@grugiv]

at the cost of having this strange frozone-esque situation on the back side :(

[@AtomicSymphonic]

​@@grugivWorthy trade-off IMHO. It looks good to me!

[@titustan1902]

Yeah, but it still has a big bump that gets bigger with each new phone

[@EspHack]

and it looked great with the dark hidden lenses, now they fell for the stupid marketing trend that it has to clearly show how many circles it has to grab idiot's attention

[@nefrace]

@@grugiv still better than what others do.

[@iainhunneybell]

Your point about the nice but breakable back, therefore needing a case to stop it being broken, is so PERFECTLY made

[@Brick_Soup]

This is why the pixel's camera bar is nice

[@swecreations]

And the 8A uses a plastic back too!

[@abyssstrider2547]

Yeah, this guy should explore other manufacturers.

[@Space_Reptile]

posy you are a man after my own heart, everytime i handle a glass phone i want to scream "WHY" as all the prettyness of it is lost in the required cheap plastic case

[@martin1649]

Doesn't have to be that way. You can also buy an Expensive plastic case ! Directly from äpple.

[@NandR]

The glass is there because metal backs block the signal. Glass doesn't. Neither does plastic. But Apple doesn't want to use plastic.

[@Mallchad]

@@martin1649 Yeah but then it just feels cheap because it's made of plastic.

[@SToXC_.]

You guys are overestimating the durability of a plastic phone without any case. without any falls, its gonna look like a cheap shitter ass in 1-2 years, but you still paid it 700€ at least, wake up 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Space_Reptile]

@@SToXC_. I will take a scratch or dent over a massive crack or having the entire thing shatter and put small glass shards in the palm of my hand

[@han_pritcher]

Old Casio scientific calculators from the 80s and 90s used to have a wedge-shape; thicker at the top to accomodate the AA battery. I think a similar design for phones would be an interesting solution to the problem of large cameras.

[@nerfynife]

Motorola Moto X 2013 shaped something like that

[@IsM1ku]

so like a big chungus Lenovo Thinkpad battery?

[@lihtan]

I remember in the late '90s when Apple's Newton Messagepad was out, the last model (MP 2000), included a battery tray that could take 4 AA batteries. You had the option of using a NiMH battery pack that fit the same slot, or use AA batteries. We're never going to see that again from Apple!

[@Nubrigtube]

@@dyscotopia they did it before with the Nexus 6P. Gorgeous design imo.

[@electricblade5]

Pixel 8 Pro.

[@s8wc3]

I was hoping the smartphone industry would have moved to optical zoom lenses using folded optics by now, so we would only really need one lens, but that was not to be apparently

[@victorkreig6089]

They can't, most people are too stupid to use them properly which is why most phones these days straight up just switch lenses for you depending on how far in or out you zoom

[@bermyvlogger]

you do realize that would require an even bigger "bump" right? maybe 5 times the length . somebody made 1 a while back. failed tremendously

[@Moonstone-Redux]

​@@bermyvloggerthe Sony Xperia 1 III and above just called and said you are a liar. They use folded optics for their telephoto cameras and they are no thicker than their competition, even counting the camera bump. This means that they only need three sensors for four effective focal lengths, and for the latest V model the telephoto range is continuous meaning you don't have to crop down the lower telephoto length to get the intermediate telephoto length.

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@bermyvlogger Sony Xperia 1 IV has a very small bump and actual analog zoom. I think it's the same in the successor.

[@classydays43]

@@victorkreig6089 They had the same issue with removable lenses. The idea happened and it never took off because people are too stupid to use replaceable lenses properly.

[@PantaloonTV]

5:24 the way he said "hello apple" got me wheezing 😂😂💀

[@itsfonk]

I’m not complaining, either, but Apple’s limited options and impractical, unsustainable choices make me want to scream as well. 😅

[@protocetid]

B-b-but Apple makes them super recyclable -to greenwash their operations and easily salvage materials to make more devices designed with planned obsolescence- !

[@ThatOnionispog]

@@protocetid iphones with planned obsolescence? ha the s20 doesnt get software updates and its only 3 years old

[@protocetid]

@@ThatOnionispog Planned obsolescence is pervasive in the entire mobile industry, it’s why I consider mobile the worst kind of mainstream computer. Things are improving, the days of pulling the "Android gets few software updates" card may be coming to a close. Android phone makers are lengthening support periods, last year Samsung announced their flagship devices will get 4 years of updates. Not too impressive I know, but if Samsung wants to stay competitive they’ll be forced to make that number higher because there are now Android phones that will be supported longer than iPhones. Google said the Pixel 8 phones will get 7 years. The phone brand that puts almost every other one to shame in terms of longevity, sustainability and repairability will update the Fairphone 5 for 10 years.

[@nottsoserious]

​@@ThatOnionispogat least you can get updates from custom roms on Android

[@darwiniandude]

5 year old iPhones (XR, XS, XS Max) all run the latest software that came with the new phones, and older models still get important security updates from time to time when it's needed. Show me an example of another phone manufacturer actually doing that. I know Google has proclaimed their pixels will have longer now (7 years? which Apple does if you count security updates) which is fantastic but we'll have to see how they actually delivery on that promise. Google has a habit of breaking promises sadly. Like the Pixel upgrade program subscription - pay the monthly fee and get a new phone every two years and bundled stuff. Which they canceled just before the first purchasers were eligible for their next phones, so no one got an upgrade. Imagine the lawsuits and media outcry if Apple attempted that haha

[@redderthanmisty6762]

I love the way my pixel 6 handles the camera bump issue, it still allows me to use the phone at my desk, while also tilting the phone slightly for a better viewing angle, and doubles as a grip when I'm watching videos for long periods of time.

[@96Blue]

i loved the infinite rise of music and overall tempo to a melting down point

[@harackmw]

I love the barely contained rage over these silly design choices, thank you for being a voice of rage and reason for us all! 😉

[@Ulteam8]

And then he turned himself into a gnome: 4:33

[@NinoDesbordes-sb9ii]

Ouuhhouuuhhhh you've been gnooooomed!!!

[@DWithDiagonalStroke]

HOO

[@SirSethery]

I went through a very similar upgrade path. Went from an SE to the 13 Mini, which is the biggest that I'd want a phone to be. I would have waited for a 15 Mini with USB-C, but since they already discontinued the Mini for the 14, I jumped on a 13 Mini during a Black Friday deal last year. If they made a phone in the same form factor as the 5 with smaller bezels (though I'd prefer slim top and bottom bezels to a notch), USB-C, and slightly better battery life (though it would be difficult given the size constraints), I'd buy it instantly.

[@mcmh9523]

If Apple's gonna make a phone that matches your description and also happens to drop camera bumps, I'll buy one instantly even if it's gonna cost $2000.

[@SirSethery]

@@mcmh9523 100% agree. I'd be perfectly happy with slightly worse photos (I probably wouldn't tell the difference anyway) if I got to ditch the bump.

[@CrispyGFX]

Your first problem was expecting intelligent design from Apple.

[@NMZS]

Apple has some of the best designs and best designers on this planet. And I'm saying that as a person that has never bought a single Apple device. Looking at the "desk test" shown in the video: Most people just don't care. I don't either, to be honest. I never actually use my phone when it's sitting on the desk because it's just uncomfortable. The simple fact is: photo quality is more important than a camera bump for the overall market. And you need the depth for better photos. Now some people will say "then just make the phone thicker overall" and.. well, that also makes it heavier, which is another issue. Now, personally, I also prefer "smaller" phones. I have a OnePlus 8T at the moment and I feel like it's a bit too big and a bit too heavy. The selection of smaller phones isn't great. But that is not the fault of phone companies but of people buying them. Many people consume a lot of media on their phones and thus really want big screens. I don't, but I'm in the minority, so the selection of phones is smaller. I don't like capitalism, but that's how the market works. All of this is not to say, of course, that Apple cannot do any wrong when it comes to design. At times they are too much in love with a certain look or think they can just pull anything off because they are Apple (and, well, they're not even wrong). But by and large their designs are excellent. You just might happen to have different preferences than their target audience.

[@SomeRandomPiggo]

@@NMZS I feel like their designers generally prioritize looks over practicality, as that's what sells to most people. Apple is more a marketing company than anything else

[@redhel]

@@NMZS Apple *had* the best designers on the planet

[@NaderNabilart]

They've completely lost touch with what users "need" vs. whatever new consumerist trend they wanna push. Not surprised that Europe is tired of their bullshit, more countries will follow. They might have financial stability now, but Apple as a symbol of "good tech" is failing to convince more people of that while people can see and explore better alternatives.

[@aquaponieee]

​​@@NMZSthey're not ergonomic at all and i hate the design trend they started and i think they've fallen behind

[@kikivoorburg]

I agree the 5 and 5SE were wonderful. Now using a 13 mini but had some time with the X in between and I do miss the close-up camera. It’s a shame they don’t design for practicality anymore. Not complaining either though!

[@s2000.]

Still sticking with my good old XS, becuse it's compact and comfortable thanks to the rounded edges. And it has an useful telephoto camera instead of the useless ultrawide. And 3D touch, oh god I love it so much.

[@cirkulx]

5SE?

[@ekhidnis]

The truth is that they want you to break your phone, so they can repair it. I had 5S for 7-8 years or something. It has some scratches here and there, but it's in pretty good shape, I didn't repair it a single time and I have never shattered any of the glasses. Now I have 14 Pro and guess what... I somehow (I didn't drop or throw it, no one was sitting on it or anything and it even had a casing on all of the time) managed to damage all of three lenses on the back while only exploiting it for 4-5 months. That's extra funny considering that I am pretty cautious guy when it comes to devices.

[@pvanukoff]

This. They know if they made phones rugged, durable, easy to service, etc, people would keep them for years upon years. But they want you to get new ones constantly, so they do what they do to make that happen.

[@octorokpie]

Wide angle lens is a godsend when you're trying to get everything into a picture but can't get further back. Not great for filming, but awesome for getting a picture where you just need to document the whole space. Which is exactly what I want my phone to be- a tool with maximum flexibility for when I need something "good enough". Which incidentally is also why I don't use an iPhone....

[@ydboss]

5:23 bro why does apple have the slowest pwm ever

[@kaitlyn__L]

I’m actually a very big fan of wide angle front facing cameras, mainly because it’s really hard to get a selfie to include my sports wheelchair otherwise. It’s blue! It’s curvy! I coordinate my outfits with it! I want that part to be visible. I can imagine most people who aren’t using a wheelchair, or maybe trying to take a similar sort of bicycle selfie, probably will never have any use for it. Also that lens definitely looks much wider than the ones I had on the Pixel 3 and the iPhone 12 mini. Those ones were more than sufficient, this one seems maybe a little excessive - I would probably crop in on those photos. I suppose it might be handy to have the choice after the fact rather than having to do it all in the framing, though.

[@justandras.]

If you want a camera that is in a line, get a Google Pixel, you won't regret it :) There at least the bump makes a bit more sense because the lens needs to move for stabilisation, but apple uses sensor shift so unless the space is needed for focusing, there is not much point there. Other manufacturers have always messed up Android with their own poorly implemented changes and it also come a long way.

[@victorkreig6089]

You will regret it because it's google garbage and lacks bezels

[@justandras.]

​@@victorkreig6089 More repairable than an iPhone tho, so less likely to turn into actual garbage :^) The bezels are even smaller on the iPhones so I don't see your point.

[@SkoolConnor]

I have never bought a Google pixel in my life, after seeing my mom having to upgrade to the newer models every 2 or so years because hers slows down and starts bugging out way too much, I decided that I will never buy a Google pixel ever.. I used to use android before I switched to Apple and my android phones couldnt last a year without slowing down or being buggy. But I talked to my friend who still had an iPhone X and he said it practically still runs like new. So I saved up a little bit of money from my job, went to my local Verizon and bought a brand new iPhone 15 Pro. I've never looked back since, I love this phone so much.

[@metromodernism]

@@SkoolConnor I've had a Pixel 6 for two years now, I upgraded from an iPhone 7. Still runs great, if not better than when it was new. Will see if that continues considering the iPhone 7 I was using was 5 years old when I upgraded and running decently aside from the occasional app crashes, but I'm confident.

[@bacalhau_seco]

​@@victorkreig6089you can just flash it with lineage or crdroid, or just root it and remove google software from it

[@kisielthe1st]

The M35 was my first cellphone as well. It was water-resistant too, the two parts of the clamshell had a silicone gasket between them, so did the battery cover.

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

Easy to fix too as the internals were 100% identical to the C35

[@Mysda_]

And thats why I just bought my first Sony. It's plastic, so super light, with jack output. Got 3 cameras : 80° main, 120° ultra wide, and 43° telephoto lens with x2 zoom for 350€. With a case, the cameras are flush, tho it's no Pixel phone. If you really have money, look into Sony's premium phones, the camera and software is insane for a phone.

[@lucas8913]

I just hope they don't go the way of LG before my current phone becomes too slow to use, as I'm really interested in the Xperia 5 line. I replaced a cracked back and added a new battery to my Pixel 3 and intend to use it at least another year. It was a lot of work but it was definitely worth it.

[@victorkreig6089]

Sony only.makes massive phones now they all suck

[@Mysda_]

@@lucas8913 Just received the Xperia 10 V yesterday. People are complaining about the slowness but for now it's really nice for me. And the 5 V and 1 V are much faster. I feel like it's really based on what you do with it. For me it's watching videos with good sound that matters and good battery time. I don't play any 3D games, just emulators.

[@Mysda_]

@@victorkreig6089 Not at all, they are a little longer than classic brands but much thinner because of the 21:9 aspect ratio.

[@kornaros96]

​@@victorkreig6089they are the only ones who have micro SD slot and 3,5mm jack on their flagships!

[@k31than]

@5:08 So true! 😅 What's the point of designing something to be pretty if you're only going to make it imperative to have it covered up and not let people admire it.

[@Maple_Tachibana]

4:55 I lost it there 💀LOL

[@blues03]

1:41 Ah, the Galaxy S (10)! My second smartphone. I started on an iPhone 3G in 2007, then 3 years later got a GS1 in 2010. I've been on Android ever sense. Don't forget to mention that the top mounted micro usb charge port had a sliding dust cover!

[@koraypekericli]

I hear you. For all these reasons I am still stuck with a 64GB first gen SE.

[@emersauce]

I'd love to see your treatment of the credit card-sized unihertz jelly star. It's terribly small and often nearly unusable due to app design being for larger screens, but this is my favorite phone. It passes the table test and is reminiscent of early novelty smartphones.

[@ThermiteKitty]

I have a Jelly 2 as my backup phone and it's fun to just try various apps on it to see how they look.

[@fabiosemino2214]

I have an Atom as a backup phone, I know what you mean

[@hotkeymuc]

"You are placing it wrong!" 😂

[@GrizonII]

Watching this on an SE (the original one, I should clarify, not the new model with the same name) and totally agree. So many decisions that phone companies make baffle me.

[@wardrich]

5:14 NGL, I'd subscribe to Angry Posy 😂

[@flixelgato1288]

Remember guys: he’s NOT complaining, not at all

[@heroninja1125]

Samsung xcover 6 pro. It is perfect for you, removable plastic back cover. Passes desk test. Has full ip68 waterproofing and mil810H certification. The battery is also removable. Only issue is the phone is a bit larger but its really good.

[@jiawu5679]

i was happy with the wide angle camera since I was able to take pictures of the whole room and not taking 4 separate instead.

[@paraphax]

when i heard the music in the beginning i just knew it was your music, the way your voice blended in naturally with your sound as if it was supposed to be damn that was satisfying

[@TMCNJ]

“What are you doing” in the elevator made me chuckle 🤭

[@xnopyt13]

I think the real reason for bulged cameras is that manufacturers saw that practically everyone uses a phone case, so the might as well use the camera cutout’s thickness to improve the camera.

[@OryAlle]

But people only have to use phone cases because of their terrible design decisions to begin with. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@xnopyt13]

@@OryAlle what? People have been using phone cases way before this trend

[@LilacMonarch]

@@xnopyt13People started using cases en masse because phones became absurdly fragile. It wasn't always that way

[@xnopyt13]

@@LilacMonarch I know, my point stands. They saw that everyone uses phone cases a few years before bulged cameras became a thing

[@LilacMonarch]

@@xnopyt13I was responding to your other comment, "people only have to use phone cases because of their terrible design decisions to begin with" was perfectly valid regardless of the current trend

[@plica06]

2:16 "The front glass sticks out. So drop it and break it.. very easily." Something funny about a foreign sounding voice speaking English but making total sense!

[@adog3129]

i especially feel the case thing. phones nowadays look so good but all we see is cheapo plastic rubber stuff that protects them. i just don't use a case, i'll take the risk.

[@adog3129]

@@Not_Sure-i6o the only time i've broken a phone was with water

[@Angel.Shehu8081]

Just get a clear case...nothing new.

[@adog3129]

@@Angel.Shehu8081those are the worst, they always look gross

[@funkyboys4834]

@@Angel.Shehu8081 They turn yellow though

[@Garvm]

I am ok with the risk of breaking the back glass. But for me the worst is the glass in the camera, which is outside of the rim and gets all hits and all scratches

[@acme401]

The "What are you doing?" hit me hard. I know that tone all too well.

[@KarstenPHT]

For the Camera(s) It is because manufacturers wanted to keep phones thin (but not too thin, because of things like the iPhone 6 snapping in half easily), however you can't really make the camera's thinner while still looking better You see, phone optical sensors get bigger and bigger as time goes on, and because of that, the lenses for the cameras to gain focus needs to be bigger, or else it would be a blurry mess. think of it like a normal DSLR, when there is no lens, there is no focus, however when you put the lens on you immediately can see a clear image (if you have the correct focus setting turned on You may say "then why not put an old camera in the phone instead?" it's because old cameras have lower quality, especially when you need to do things like low light photos. Old phone camera's are usually grainy (with the effect being amplified at low light) because they add a lot of artificial brightness to "make the image more visible" which degrades image quality For the back case: The thing is, just like what you said manufacturers could go back to the old case design, which also means that in the process would allow for things like replaceable batteries again! However it's because companies want you to spend money on repairs and replacement units. And also they want their phones to feel "premium", which is why there are so much glass and fancy metals at the back and sides of the phone, instead of the cheap plastic that everyone used to use

[@bermyvlogger]

nobody,not even the op,here has any sense. explaining the camera is pointless. p.s u have to have glass back to get wireless charging

[@nas73603]

@@bermyvloggerWRONG you need to have a non metal. Otherwise it would block the magnetic fields. This is in fact how faraday cages and RFID blocking wallets work. So you can have plastic, glass, or any range of materials, given that it doesn’t block magnetic fields. Not just glass

[@paper2222]

@@nas73603 what phone companies don't want you to know

[@areadenial2343]

Two words: folded optics. Yer argument be invalid!

[@flynni1234]

2:41 I totally agree I still use it as a backup

[@ElijahCiali]

The nice advantage of the wide angle camera is that on newer models it’s basically a macro lens that can focus on anything

[@antoniovanci1024]

But is it just a matter of software or is it hardware? I mean are the ultra wide angle cameras like the one on the non-pro (older) iphones capable to be macro or just on the newer 15?

[@ElijahCiali]

@@antoniovanci1024 I believe it’s pro models only. It’s hardware-based though, as the pro’s ultra wide lens features autofocus where the base model doesn’t.

[@jiriq8853]

The camera lenses defintely cannot be any thinner. The technology that manufacturers are able to pack into such a thin profile is absolutely incredible! I totaly get your point, my iPhone 13 Pro is also hard to use on table without case. Therefore the only possible solution is to make the phone thicker (and also heavier), which most of customers dont want. Most of them put on case anyway to protect the glass from shattering and scratching. So I get your points, but believe me, there are logical explanations to why the phones are the way they are today...

[@akashaabeysundara8454]

It isn't impossible to engineer a thin phone. The only reason they avoid it is to capture the customer's attention to the product, and this is a marketing strategy.

[@jiriq8853]

@@akashaabeysundara8454 well i mean the camera module itself. With today’s technology limits it is impossible to make the camera module thinner with all the features that are packed inside there. If they would want to make it thinner, the camera quality would decrease significantly, including the sensor shift stabilization. It is already an incredible feat of engineering

[@semibiotic]

Wrong. People would love to have +2mm thicker phone with more accumulator capacity. Manafacturers delu that thiner phones are somehow better (even with those stick-out lenses) and brainwash people withtheir delu.

[@harrydang9]

have you considered looking into the recent Google Pixel phones? they do have quite a large camera bump, but they're designed into a bar so it passes the desk task pretty well for my use cases

[@BichaelStevens]

Ultra Wide Lens helps me at work when i dont have enough clearance to take a necessary photo in full view. Like server racks. Inventory. Rows of equipment. Pipes. Etc.

[@asdfghyter]

3:23 My iPhone 12 Mini passes the desk test, because I keep it in a case, which makes the back almost completely flat. Also, I recommend using soft cases instead of hard cases like the ones you showed, because soft cases protect the phone way better. mine protects the front screen as well, since it pops out a few millimeters above the screen height

[@cameramaker]

Please please, make a full episode with the 4:24 miss B voice :) PS. we know exactly what are you doing with the fancy LCD !

[@xx__miqu__xx3812]

3:45 whoaaa man i thought you are HIM for a second

[@axtra0333]

Same😅😅

[@terrycahyadi6954]

what a calm men, he's not frustrated at all

[@IoRobot_98]

I think that it's never a bad thing to complain about a problem, as long as one doesn't stop at the surface of a problem but digs deeper... I agree that almost every modern product has some really idiotic design flaws, most of which are dictated by greed, rushed designs, poor QA and prototype testing, but most of all, because nowadays product features are no longer something that the designers and engineers have thought and implemented, but are instead something that the marketing team decided was necessary because the consumers want it, the problem is that consumers are idiots, they don't know what they need and want... everyone wants more battery life, more features, more memory, better cameras, but they want a thinner phone... but a thinner phone can't have what previously said, so the engineers have to make compromises, and then people complain, but they won't buy a thicker phone (and by "thicker" I mean a phone that is as thick as a normal phone with a camera bulge, but all flat, so it's not thin all but where the camera is but is flat and thick as the camera is)... because they're stupid... I see the same stupid designs in laptop PCs, desktop PCs, TVs, cameras, cars... companies are forced to make products with features that make said products sell more but don't make them better. PS: there's also the planned obsolescence topic that one could discuss (as you talked about the battery dying), but that's a whole other world...

[@mactep1]

Phones haven't really gotten thinner since the iPhone 6 days, and ur mostly talking about 1000$+ phones, so yeah, the consumers of those are fully justified in demanding the damn best in every aspect, and calling them stupid for doing so is stupid in itself.

[@sewiim3612]

“Oh no i have no hobby’s let me put my phone on the table and complain about it wobbling” Tell why does it matter when it wobbles?

[@eclogites]

I used an SE until around 6 months ago, and I replaced the battery with an aftermarket one to keep the battery life usable. I chose a pixel, it was cheap ($450 for 256gb unlocked) and many features just work best for me

[@fraybarretoduque8447]

Exacto! Yo quiero comprarme un pixel 7a pronto, son bastante polivalentes los pixel

[@LilacMonarch]

I switched from iPhone 5S to Galaxy S9 then to Pixel 5a (5G). Still rockin that headphone jack

[@rihamission487]

Having replaceable plastic back covers is a great idea! Never thought of that! And having a glass back is the absolute stupidest thing, no doubt. But from smartphone manufacturers' point of view, it lets them sell back covers; the removal of headphone jack lets them sell dongles, the removal of sd card slot lets them fix the storage capacity of the phone so that if anybody wants more storage, they need to buy either a new phone with more storage or iCloud storage.

[@JamesR624]

Seeing this being the first ever video from Posy NOT from his usual "professional documentary" style on his main channel was amazing. It's like hearing that voice that does all the movie trailers going off on a rant and it's amazing.

[@creativegamer_03]

makes me appreciate my Nokia Lumia 520 more. would have been my iPod Touch 5G, but i remember it had a small camera bump too.

[@serhiirudenko6183]

Oh, din't know you have a 2nd channel. Today youtube SUDENLY sugested me this video. And I completely agree about things in the mobile industry. Phones get BIGGER, more expensive and with less features. I had to carefully search for my current phone, which have a headphone jack, and microSD slot. Also without a hole in the screen and reasonable size. It was pretty hard I'd say. Also there's a chinese company called Unihertz, they making a powerful smartphone with 3" screen. Opposite extreme side, lol. But someday I might get it actually.

[@ReclaimerTyphoon]

... So who's going to tell him that wide angle cameras are for people with friends? Agreed, though - I'd absolutely love a modern phone in the form factor of that SE.

[@anthonycraig274]

I had the iPhone 5s, 6plus, X and iPhone 13 Pro. I broke the iPhone 13 Pro, purchased a 13 mini for temporary use, while the 15 Pro was launched in a couple of weeks. I later bought the iPhone 15 Pro, liked the 13 mini, then sent the iPhone 15 Pro back and kept the mini.

[@privacyhelp]

are sure that was 15 pro? because they are looks like 12 pro

[@Karaoke-Bear]

13 mini pro 😂

[@porvoonosho]

Who uses their phone flat on a desk, poking hard with one finger? NOBODY. MAYBE A SPACE ALIEN.

[@Qwertworks]

My two cents: I like nice feeling materials on a phone … I always disliked Samsungs old plastic phones but yeah I do see why that would be advantageous. However I also don’t have cases on my phone usually or only when I’ve already had the phone for a number of years to give it a fresh feel (if that makes sense to anyone but me xD) Also not all plastic is equal. There were a number of nice phones back in the day that were plastic but had a nice feel to them (Samsung was not one of them). I would however like to return to phones that don’t bump as much on a desk … I know thin phones feel better in the hand for most people but at least make it symmetrical then as pointed out.

[@InimicalWit]

My own opinion, it is a “conspiracy” to convince us to also *purchase* “necessary” accessories. Now, I’ll watch the video 💙

[@low-res-nic]

The way i smiled the whole Video throug out just bcs you pointed out that the Mini Form factor was absolutely the best... imo the XS was the last nice sized phone, not too big, not too small! But lets be honest, the SE 1st gen was a king at its Job!

[@bermyvlogger]

ok maybe i come from a time when cavemen rules but how small are ur hands? the max sized iphones are still too small,,need to be wider

[@protocetid]

I miss pocketable devices, the handheld PC segment blew people’s minds because a fully capable PC that comfortably fit in your pocket existed. Now they’ve ballooned to the size of small tablets and, kid you not, (smallish) laptops.

[@teamredstudio7012]

Didn't they remove 3D touch with the XS?

[@naim3968]

The sacrifice of having a big camera bump for having better cameras is worth it, smartphone brands could make thinner cameras but the cameras would have to be worse. Thye arent thick for no reason consumers care about cameras.

[@MinhHa-wj3nn]

You can just feel the genuine happiness an iPhone can bring its user

[@allenbenson7517]

i get your point ,i also don't like when camera protrudes far than the phone but that thickness is required for the optical image stabilization to work . so if you need a phone with no protruding cam you would either not have optical image stabilization or a thicker phone that matches with the thickness of the camera bump also imagine if you have 3 cameras in your phone but only one camera protrudes out, it would not look so good so they make it all same size and thickness

[@Legion849]

Sony Xperia left the chat. The bump can be mitigated but nothing will change because manufacturers decided its here to stay

[@FlyRetroGamer]

That's how I've got my phone bended, because of the DARN CAMERA!!!

[@SpaghettiniFiveMillion]

When a phone is engineered by designers and not actual engineers...

[@scellyyt]

You may find they need that extra z space for the autofocusing system, the actual lens can actuate forwards a bit over a millimetre from its resting position.

[@naervern2107]

The sliding one, I had a similar which got a dead speaker after a while. I was during a trip, about 1000km from home when it happened, but back then phones had normal, human-friendly philips screws so I could disassemble and verify and then noticed it had a flex cable ripping. Design was functional, but obsolescence was planned.

[@ericlippe]

The cameras do, unfortunately, have to be that way. In order to produce higher image quality, sensor sizes and lens sizes must increase. Once you increase beyond a point, you need to start having focusing mechanisms to move the glass to keep things in focus. Then if you have that, you may as well have image stabilization (which they do, quite impressively too), and now the newest phones even have mechanical zooms, which ups the size even more. Plus, it isn't like there is much major innovation with smartphones these days. They use old processors, old displays, old software updates. The only thing that tends to improve year over year is the camera size and quality. Without bigger bumps, they just don't sell. Should they be better incorporated and designed? 1000000%. Apple is perhaps the worst offender, second only to whatever collab Xiaomi and Leica have going on. But it isn't without purpose.

[@car8298]

Have you seen the awful OnePlus x Hasselblad?

[@tanksfornothin]

I've thought about this every day since I got my first asymmetrical phone and it's been about 10 years. I assume that by making them easily breakable, they cause people to be more cautious and therefore attached. People are then subconsciously encouraged to use it more and therefore increases their profits. I hate it so much but it's almost impossible to function in modern society without one!

[@definingslawek4731]

3:50 even if you made the circle the size of the actual lens underneath, the z depth is still necessary for the high quality camera. How would that improve usability for you or reduce wobble on the table? I don't think it would. the larger camera area looks nice design wise.

[@Jackpkmn]

My Galaxy S20 has the same kind of cancer camera bump on its back making i not sit flat, but they added nice sharp angles to the edge of it so it scratches your table if you scoot it across. Very nice, especially since I don't film anything with my phone so have no need for nice cameras, they cameras aren't all that nice anyway tbh.

[@tauon_]

0:59 i have that phone! :3

[@deatronace7979]

Me too lol

[@darwinbaguiogevero4282]

I don’t usually like sarcasm & lowkey toxic grievances. But, I finished the entire video. Now I felt like this content raised my blood pressure. Not complaining but complaining. Sorry but not sorry.

[@aneekes.]

Guess Apple needs an equal competitor to start doing really cool things. So far they are in no hurry to do them, introducing minor changes to their phones ppl’d buy anyway. Once we get it I’ll change my iPhone to that one immediately. I had way too many troubles with Apple products so there’s no trust in them left. But on the other hand …androids, that I can’t really stand. I’m kinda trapped. I’d turn a blind eye to their failures if they weren't overpriced ofc.

[@NHSoft]

Thanks for covering that topic, i also hate this extra bump

[@Kukrie]

with bigger image sensors comes bigger and fatter lenses to direct the light, if you want something that passes the "desk test" then get a google pixel.

[@Kukrie]

@@Not_Sure-i6o “crappy” that’s funny since the iPhone was the only one to completely disintegrate from a waste high drop this year💀

[@Kukrie]

@@Not_Sure-i6o yeah it has curved glass, but lo and behold it’s actually more durable than the iPhone, also I believe this guy wouldn’t care if he had such a phone, since he seems to be focused on the wobble problem.

[@farikkun1841]

Why cant manufacturer just make a twitter poll like do you need headphone jack? Yes no

[@samsanimationcorner3820]

Pro tip. Go with Motorola. Stop wasting your time with Apple. I promise you, Android has improved a lot since your first one, and you'll love the gesture operations. Chop like an axe to turn on the flash light. Twist like a motorcycle handle to pull up the camera.

[@MindBlowerWTF]

Too bad the edge 40 has massive camera bumps and rounded edges screen. It will litterally spin around the camera if you put it down fast enough.

[@kornaros96]

​@@Not_Sure-i6othose are very good devices to own and operate. Just make sure they have Snapdragon chips.

[@kornaros96]

@@Not_Sure-i6o no problem with these two.

[@DeltaXMusic]

the amount of thickness matching the bezel to the cameras would take is insanely small… it doesnt make sense.

[@DeltaXMusic]

but maybe they make it optimized for use with a case ….

[@consciousmushroom]

Why buy an iPhone in the first place? That's what I'd like to know lmao

[@BESTofAlp]

I agree with the glass etc. but the wide angle cameras are very useful for me. But obviously it looks silly in such a near proximity.

[@mmmlinux]

I don't think Steve Jobs would have allowed the camera bump. Notice they only appeared after he was gone.

[@darwiniandude]

True, but my Nokia N95 bought after I saw the iPhone launch (but hadn't used it to know what a game changer mobile Safari was) had a 5MP autofocus camera with flash, 640x480@30 video recording, AV output on mini jack, GPS, flash player, etc etc. Anyway my point was the camera was vastly superior to the iPhone camera at launch. Apple just didn't care about the camera as a priority, but they did start to care while jobs was around. The 3MP autofocus in the 3GS with video recording was a solid step in the right direction, as was the iPhone 4.

[@chopstick134]

Thanks for the nice free apple advertisement

[@Maximmaximmaximmaximmaxim]

📱📱📱After using about 25 different phones for the last 20 years I must say, that Nokia N-8 and Iphone SE 2016 were the best of them!!!!

[@teamredstudio7012]

Symbian OS was amazing yes! The iPhone SE had the best design and the 6s most features without sacrifices.

[@hermi1-kenobi455]

going straight from an SE to a 1 mini is wild

[@natebragg]

For the camera to be good there needs to be space for proper lens optics. The notch is levelled when a case is added. Its a tough but necessary compromise.

[@jeangage7224]

You sound like the Narrator from the Stanley Parable. Love it! Keep up the good work!

[@twoexem6548]

Get a Fairphone!

[@varganyamuvek]

nophone KHM KHM FairPhone is a good brand!

[@eruno_]

I love my fairphone 5

[@FrogJ]

I was going to say this. It (4) still has the protruded cameras but being able to take the back off and replace parts is awesome

[@Somebodyherefornow]

yesssss fairphne

[@messier8379]

so expensive i could have buy a better phone with a powerful processor which i can slap a custom later on

[@qwertykeyboard5901]

The software stack on Samsung's Qualcomm BREW based phones is pretty good tbh. Responsive, bug free (except for the security vulnerabilities, but thats sort of a Qualcomm BREW thing), cromulent implements of the BREW api, quite stable, overall a genuinely nice experience, Samsung did a good job here. Then Samsung went with Touchwiz. Them porting it to early android did NOT help matters. In hindsight this is quite amusing.

[@PhilfreezeCH]

Damn, you have a very similar phone history as me with exactly the same complaints! The iPhone SE was truly peak phone and I am still sad I had to switch to the iPhone 13 mini. The ultra mega wide angle is also beyond useless. You just know they went with wide and ultrawide so that people have to upgrade to the more expensive phone to get the actually useful other lens, the telephoto. I constantly want to take pictures of things somewhat far away but straight up never in the ultrawide realm. And having to have a case so your phone doesn‘t wobble when you put it on your desk is just frustrating, I seriously can‘t understand how the designers thought this was good. Do they never put their phone on their desk while working?

[@picblick]

And now please add the angry version!

[@devjock]

I still use a blackberry Curve. None of the side buttons are even there anymore, but that's okay, I don't use them anyway. Given that I work at a machienshop, I opted to fill the voids with clear setting epoxy. It kind of got out of hand, and as a result, I accidentally made my whole not-so-smart phone completely waterproof. I kind of enjoty the fact that people with phone's later than mine were complaining about 3G shutting down, yet here I am, happily calling on the true GSM standard, all because of the fact that ambulances still use it for comms. Once that goes, I will have to actually start using a phone with a touchscreen. Or maybe I DIY myself one of those hipster phones with a radial dial on it.

[@99xara99]

I wish they still made tiny phones! Let's hope they will have a comeback.