Biggering Storyboard

(EDIT) You guys are amazing. Just amazing. I can't tell you how wild it's been to see this EIGHT year old project, um, blowing up? It really means a lot- I know it's an old piece, but it was one of the last projects I did at art school and is still pretty special to me. I truly appreciate everyone's comments and enthusiasm and just... you guys are the best.
Also, if anyone's interested, I'm redoing it. I've been feeling really nostalgic about the whole thing and decided to go back and make a more polished animatic (I work in animation now so hopefully that'll help lol). Once it's finished, I'll post it over on my GloriaDrewThis channel: / @gloriadrewthis
Till then, if you want to check out what I've been doing in the past, yeah, eight years:
Instagram: @gloriadrewthis
Twitter: /gloriadrewthis
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An exercise done to try and work on the differences between presenting a board statically and presenting it as an animatic (also trying to work on finding a process I'm happy with....).
So.... this is what I was thinking- instead of a slow demise into greed.... what if there was one, precise moment where the once-ler had to make a choice about which way he was going to fall? I figured the "lighting ceremony" of Thneedville (aka turning on the power and zapping of all the natural resources of the area) would be a good place to start.
Characters and "Biggering" (c) Seuss and Illumination Entertainment

[@XavierZara]

"Biggering" is what really happened, "How Bad Can I Be" is what you say in court

[@sofialozano4031]

Onceler was the one telling the story, so we could as well assume it actually WAS what happened and he just told the story as though it was the How Bad Can I Be to make it look less bad.

[@questionablemotivegirl6054]

Well said Dude!

[@rammy9133]

Damnnnnn

[@zbroadcast3414]

Ted: So what happened after your Thneed started getting successful? Onceler: (Flashback of Biggering) ...It was my family’s fault. Really.

[@smbsuperfan271]

@@sofialozano4031 never thought of it like that. Damn that’s powerful. Alright you’ve created my new headcannon.

[@jokirb2739]

_"Here's an emotionally charged song that perfectly displays the Onceler's greed and also fits perfectly with the original narrative and theme of The Lorax."_ Illumination: *We don't do that here.*

[@absolite6]

Writers: _Creates Biggering_ Illumination: *Chopping block for this I think*

[@vigilabo3007]

I mean it hits to close to home for them

[@jokirb2739]

@@vigilabo3007 you mean close to home

[@vigilabo3007]

@@jokirb2739 ya, It was 4 in the morning for me Imao

[@kkTeaz]

@@vigilabo3007 you mean too?

[@huntercool2232]

I like how in “How Bad Can I Be?” The Lorax is trying to save the trees, but in “Biggering” he’s trying to save the Onceler.

[@dearlybeloved4041]

i agree so much with this omg

[@charlieelioooo]

Dam bro this is good

[@huntercool2232]

@@charlieelioooo It wasn’t my comment unfortunately. I got it from another video, but it was just so good I thought I’d share it.

[@yg6484]

@@huntercool2232well I’m glad you did.

[@MikeWazowskixxx]

Exactly what the anti woke community is trying to do They don’t want to be against minorities they want misled black people to be grateful again

[@dunkev4152]

I can't imagine how pissed the guy who sung his soul out for this song was when Illumination rejected it

[@astrobeth]

Ed helms

[@calibricalypso]

​@sanrio enjoyer Iirc, this is the demo, so Ed Helms himself never sang it, because the song didn't make it that far in the production process (which is a shame, really. We were robbed)

[@mairokindasus8807]

I would have loved to actually hear Ed Helms sing it, but yeah it's a shame that it got rejected in the first place

[@sloft-70]

@@mairokindasus8807 AI can do it, I mean Mr Krabs and Freddy Mercury sang it.

[@fernoagent8581]

​@@sloft-70that i a cursed sentence i don't want to hear it again

[@ChuckNorrisGOAT]

I love this version of the Onceler, mainly because he's well aware of all the harm he's doing, he just doesn't give a shit

[@NerfTheLamp9]

Just like the original old movie

[@HellVirus0919]

Mhm

[@Bro-cx2jc]

Does this make the end of the song a villain's "heel-face turn" when he sees for the first time, the damage he's caused, through his past eyes rather than his present ones?

[@_TehTJ_]

Pretty much like in the book

[@bl_nk5047]

get help 🙏🙏

[@gplgs4640]

Illumination scrapping a song that would have objectively made The Lorax a better movie overall and properly conveyed the message of the real Lorax story in a dark tone, solely for more profits, is the most Illumination move ever

[@Jamsalt]

Its especially funny given the theme of the lorax

[@randomcat5262]

hypocritical of illumination. they probably pulled the plug and said that "Biggering" was too anticorporate since they made them seem evil despite conscious, and replaced a song that said corporations were evil due to ignorance, which the big corporation was more OK with since it gave them a better excuse when something actually bad happens.

[@jeanmichellelaurent]

Illumination are the anti dreamworks, They care more about fart jokes, and toys than the message, Unlike dreamworks who use a bit of goof off humour to keep the kids happy, but not shit all over the true narrative message.

[@seeyoulateralligator2640]

it’s so ironic considering the message of this song 😭

[@WakerOfTheSky]

It would’ve destroyed zootopia if they put this song in the movie

[@D3c4yingb0n3s]

“Hey why’d you cut biggering? Do you think it would scare the kids?” “No I think it would scare the adults.”

[@driveknight026]

Amazing comment

[@GigathanLifts]

"You think this would scare the kids?" "This will give parents nightmares" -Jurassic World

[@QrittneyWashington]

Lmao

[@Runninglizards]

Still an underrated comment

[@nunya6537]

@@GigathanLiftsIs that... good?

[@billcipher147]

Y'all gotta keep in mind, this was just one song. It would've been extremely weird for only this one song to be so dark, so it's safe to assume that the rest of the movie would've followed suit in tone had this gone through. One can only imagine just how powerful this movie's message would have been, and likely was planned to be at some point. A movie about corporate greed ended up being ruined by corporate greed. The joke practically writes itself, and yet I don't feel like laughing.

[@ladyalicent705]

Okay but “A movie about corporate greed ended up being ruined by corporate greed. The joke practically writes itself, yet I don’t feel like laughing” is an absolutely raw fucking line. Have you ever considered becoming a writer Mr Bill Cipher?

[@8is]

I hope we will one day get a movie where the capitalist will look down upon all his work, all he has accomplished, all the consequences of his work, se all those who have damned him, accused him of exploitation, short-sightedness and how god will send him straight to hell and realize one single thing: it just doesn't matter; they were all wrong and he was right. Kind of how Huck, at the end of "Huckleberry Finn", determines his own morality against that of his community, his state and his god and feels like a should be the villain and yet is surprised at how he simply isn't.

[@D3c4yingb0n3s]

In the original version of the opening song the towns people were actually supposed to hate how fake thneedville was. It was going to be them singing about how great things are while things just casually go wrong. Sort of like they’re singing to cope. It was supposed to acknowledge how messed up thneedville was from the start, and how the people knew that but felt they couldn’t do anything. This movie could have been so metal.

[@diegosanchez5412]

@@D3c4yingb0n3sHearing this made me hate the final product even more.

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@D3c4yingb0n3s also that originally Ted was not going to be a simp, he was going to be a greedy and selfish child who only wanted the tree to be the first child in the city to have one since there are no real trees in Thneedville, you can hear that in the demo, another fact is that in part of the song a hill is mentioned with the name of its founder (el onceler) that will become a pizza chain, implying how materialistic and consumerist they became, There are more interesting parts in the demo that I don't know if I can mention everything, this song along with the other songs removed from the Lorax indicates that the movie was going to be very different and more faithful to the original book, a shame

[@moosecannibal8224]

The darkest and best part imo is when he's rationalising it to himself by talking about how a company's an animal, and it's needing fed to survive and that it's (in a sense) part of nature itself. Really adds a lot of personality that is missing from the song that's actually featured in the movie. (I like it, just damn this would have been great fully animated).

[@drawnwithlove3499]

Isn't that how abuse works

[@asdfghjk1576]

There was a similar type of lyric in “how bad can I be”, but it’s def better in this song since it sounds more genuine and emotional

[@alexpyndus4702]

My favorite part is when he's on the balcony near the switch with the Lorax and he's deciding to switch it or not, then when he looks at the crowd he choses to switch it. It really shows how much he was dedicated to the company and how greedy he was.

[@notto5937]

The animal that eats has got to scratch and bite and punch, And the animal that doesn't is someone else's lunch.

[@moosecannibal8224]

@@aliensexist1661 I'm not denying that it is also that, simply that it also implies what I was saying through subtle implications.

[@laurendelune7618]

This is so ironic that this got cut because of corporate greed

[@lucaspec7284]

how bad can they be xD

[@thegarshinator7178]

@@lucaspec7284 they were just biggering *ironic*

[@thereestersheetser543]

But ya know you can't really blame greed no that's stupid you see it has a little worm inside and that one always needs to feed and it's never satisfied you get it? and the more you try to find it the more it likes to hide and that's a NASTY little worm and I like to call it Pride

[@thegarshinator7178]

See? That's why they're biggering

[@justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247]

They won’t stop biggering and triggering more biggering

[@scrp6638]

Hear me out How Bad Can I Be still happens the same, being the Onceler telling Ted what happened It then cuts to the Onceler after Ted leaves, where he recalls what really went down, that being Biggering.

[@Cry_Crow.-.]

@@Lime_light24probably, because he does it on the original movie too

[@boogaloobender3462]

I thought the 2 songs should be just the once-ler at different points in his growth.

[@scrp6638]

@@boogaloobender3462 how bad can i be is him fantasising, and biggering is what he does? sounds pretty good too

[@ConeHeadMan1]

Biggering is the oncelers song, how bad can i be is o hares

[@goober81]

​@@Cry_Crow.-. *original book

[@ImAPimpNamedSlickbac]

“Who cares if some things are Dying” This Oncler was built different

[@dreadedgamer23]

He still said basically this line, just focused on the trees, instead of animals, too.

[@ibis03]

​@@dreadedgamer23there is a huge difference between lines "Who cares if *few trees* are dying?" and "Who cares if *some things* are dying?". In the first one, he just says about just a few trees and tries to show that it's not very much that he's destroying. While in the second line, he clearly shows that he doesn't care at all about anything, he doesn't care what will die and in what amount. Sometimes even replacing 2 words can change the whole meaning of a quote

[@dreadedgamer23]

@@ibis03 Yes, that is basically what I was saying, just in less words. I was also saying that the words not that different, not the meaning, which is different.

[@AYVYN]

Well, it’s a principle of nature and a company is an animal

[@adora_was_taken]

@@ibis03 idk, i always interpreted the "few trees" version to be him trying to downplay the damage because he knows how bad the truth is. like "what? no, i'm not destroying the whole ecosystem, just a few trees".

[@Titleknown]

This song, and a lot of the film's concepts that seem like they were heavily dialed down in terms of darkness, makes me think this film suffered from what Terry Pratchett calls "A script that had all the hallmarks of being good until the studio got to ot."

[@BillZypher]

+Thomas Johnson Pretty much showing the harm of corporate greed. Never thought that a moral could be so meta...

[@AvitalShtap]

@@BillZypher Imagine that was on purpose LOL

[@paladinboyd1228]

Mag Magnet, I wouldn’t be surprised. But that level of intelligence isn’t in Hollywood.

[@dracocrusher]

"We can't have a film without a villain, throw in an obvious bad guy." "Can't have a kids film without a love interest plot, make the movie about getting the seed to impress a girl! Gotta hook that female demographic." "Can't make a kids film without comic relief, got to shove in stuff like those successful minion guys we have." Meanwhile, in the original animated film....

[@firerulezz116]

It's Illumination, literally founded on the principle of making the cheapest films possible with the highest public appeal possible.

[@Cudge1]

The Lorax needs a faithful, dark, and ambiguous rock opera adaptation with a segmented version of HBCIB, more realistic and gradual character development, and Biggering as the finale.

[@geminfly]

Agreed.

[@pastel-axle3197]

Yes, yes and yes. I would most definitely watch that.

[@geminfly]

TESTMACORONI yeah same, I wanna get an animation program and make an hour long animation of how I wanted this movie to play out which won't happen until a couple of years because I need to go to an art college first.

[@MrStarman926]

TotallyAMetrocop this should NOT be the finale. It should be the end of act 1. The finale would be much better left on the ambiguous note of the original Seuss movie

[@MrStarman926]

Mercular yeah I think the idea of two plots is kind of interesting and they should make Teds motivation more than just impressing a girl

[@BottoBobbs]

Imagine how insane Tumblr would go if this song made it into the final cut

[@estrella-om7tu]

oh no

[@ChrofonicPlague]

The wouldnt be able to handle themselves lmao

[@trixsanimations5109]

Yeah we wouldn’t, trust me. Edit: Sorry I meant *would*

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@trixsanimations5109 I wish

[@florantlover5554]

​@@trixsanimations5109he speaks for the tumblrs

[@TylerFNF]

I like how this storyboard shows less of "look how fun for kids this movie is!" and more of how the Onceler's goals went from just keeping himself afloat to destroying as much as possible to make as many thneeds as possible to make as much money as possible, to keep, well, biggering. Also the line "who cares if some things are dying" hits soo much harder than the version that is replaced with trees, it just gives more emphasis on how the Onceler is actually causing so many animals to die and most likely go extinct.

[@TylerFNF]

also the song is a bop lol

[@madisnzz]

Emphasizes the impact more as well. Trees and animals and people and the EARTH itself from capitalism.

[@NottaMovieStar]

I hate to be that person because I completely agree with what you're saying but.... how bad can I be said "who cares if a few trees are dying"

[@mushnl4863]

i now headcanon that some things are only trees, and that all the animals are alive and content now in 2023

[@starropenisthe4th786]

Also the line about the lawyers denying the truth to the public

[@madz2013]

Imagine the emotional impact this would've had.

[@EyeOfArgus]

Unfortunately Illumination doesn’t like taking risks

[@yatzibe]

they preferred the catchiness of "how bad can i be" /neg

[@justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247]

Well we would have to change a bit like give some build up to this and than make the movie more darker so that this doesn’t feel out of place in the movie also so it feels more like the book and than we got a good movie on our hands

[@anib8863]

@@justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247 The original script was probably much different then what we got, this would have likely fit in context of said script.

[@theguestkid5651]

yup

[@sterling7]

What's heart-wrenching is that this song- not "How Bad Can I Be"- comes with the realization that the Lorax isn't just trying to save the trees. He's trying to save the Once-Ler.

[@absolite6]

That's deep.....and heartbreaking.

[@hunnybunny3211]

You are accurate sir

[@livinglegend9709]

That my friend is another reason I like this song

[@BadNyaruko]

Lorax is the conscience of Once-Ler.

[@spookyho5994]

bruh, don’t make me cry rn-

[@Oskir_Schlickarsson]

Not the creators of hop and minions making a villain song on the same level as hellfire and just scrapping it 💀💀

[@estrella-om7tu]

Blame that on Illumination, who didn't want the song because it described what they did and they didn't want to accept it.

[@Oskir_Schlickarsson]

@@estrella-om7tu fax tho

[@spud4056]

idk how to explain it, but I feel like the onceler looks a lot more intimidating and scary in this storyboard than he does in the actual film

[@lemonoid7793]

probably because since it is a storyboard, the face isn't given details with makes it seem more like he, who used to be innocent, because a greedy person and anyone can turn into him. Also because his eyes are almost never seen and when they are, they look like he is insane

[@estela654]

@@lemonoid7793 that makes sense

[@estela654]

@@lemonoid7793 Considering that the eyes are the window of the soul, he wants to say that he has no soul.

[@goober81]

The film absolutly butchered the lorax and turned him into nothing but some kid who was manipulated by his parents, when originally he was a man who was corrupted by greed,and found out he was corrupted when it was too late

[@DeterminismisFreedom]

It baffles you? Really? It baffles you a corporation didn't go with an anti-corporation message and instead went with defanged "recycle, kids, that's how you save the planet" message?

[@slucarios]

Everyone feels bad for the singer, but imagine how bad the composer feels.

[@ciarafirth6784]

Like that’s so much work to put into a song that’s going to be cut

[@World-Bass_Mapper]

I think they knew the song was going to be cut.They just wanted to give the message.

[@accountlol7409]

@@World-Bass_Mapper I mean shove it in illumination’s face that they’re greedy

[@idot3331]

Considering this is just a demo of the song, I don't think the singer would ever be the voice actor of the actual onceler character. It's just a demonstration of the song by the music production team, not the final thing.

[@captainkraken3550]

True,bro,True!

[@dividedtime8529]

I love the scene in the elevator, it shows his descent into the dark side and when Lorax said "Pride" you see the bottom of the elevator descending showing his "Pride" pulling him down since he doesn't want to admit to De Lorax's words. His "Pride" is making him refuse to admit that his "Pride" is pulling him down. Beautiful. Edit: Spelling

[@WhySoAnimated]

Thanks so much! That seq was my favorite bit to do.

[@soulangela7154]

It's such a gorgeous scene, I absolutely loved that too. The colour change, and as well as the lines being drawn harder around the eyes. Like he looks more and more annoyed as well. Like, actually starting to get fed up with what Lorax is telling him, as well as it being on the cue of him being called an idiot. I would absolutely have loved if this storyboard was used in movie, it's sooooo good. Also the mirror part!

[@thelastprotectorofoverain1035]

@@WhySoAnimated That was really interesting and I hope to see the final product soon

[@redpanda6497]

@@WhySoAnimated This storyboard is absolutely amazing.

[@binoobear9607]

@@WhySoAnimated I would love to see the updated one!

[@nota113]

I feel like dreamworks would have done The Lorax right.

[@KindaEpic]

Dreamworks does everything right

[@thatoneguy609]

@@KindaEpic Dreamworks is kind of a crapshoot, their quality is all over the place

[@funky5008]

@@thatoneguy609only used to. Their young kid movies are shit but the others are amazing

[@mr_man_Sir_man]

​@@thatoneguy609 DreamWorks movies are ether masterpieces or garbage

[@alexiawilliams4619]

@@mr_man_Sir_man i agree, they put out some GREAT MOVIES such as httyd, shrek, etc, but there are some that just aren’t that good at all..

[@thegodlygoober]

Instead of a G-Rated happy story about the onceler getting peer pressure from his parents and accidentally chopping down all the trees, we could have had a PG-Rated rock drama about the onceler actually doing his crimes on his own and not feeling any remorse for anything he destroys. Illumination should create a darker version of this movie with Biggering in it, i feel.

[@spidermen100]

But if the movie is PG, they had to make it PG 13.

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@spidermen100 If the movie had been pg-13 it would be the first Dr. Seuss adaptation to have that rating

[@Hecuba107]

Honestly, Biggering actually makes it PG than PG-13 because it justifies bringing the parents. Kids won’t be able to understand the song but they will talk to their parents and it is up to them whether or not they should explain it.

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@Hecuba107 In fact, the film is already a PG with the final product, if this song had been released along with the removed material it would have been a PG-13

[@Hecuba107]

@@estrella-om7tu No, as is, the movie is just generic fluff out of KZbin Kids, making me doubt if it is actually deserving of a PG rating. However, had the movie still retained the cut material, that would have challenged the audience and given them a sense of urgency. Of course, those themes are would not cross a child’s mind so this justifies why it should be PG.

[@xoidparhsin]

this makes the onceler seem like an actual villain rather than a guy who did an “oopsie” and ruined the environment

[@account7117]

Yeah. A villain that doesn’t care for the environment if he gets money would’ve been so much more realistic. Sometimes there are just bad people in the world.

[@Uhshawdude]

The onceler isnt even treated as a villain in the movie, they infantilize him by taking away his responsibility for the actions of his company. He’s easily manipulated by his cartoonishly evil family, who are made that way to distance them from real industrialists. The onceler in the song is repeating what many real people have told themselves to assuage their guilt for their companies crimes. This change pulls any sort of anti capitalist messaging right out of the movie.

[@anitaxin7329]

But his mom convinced him lol

[@xoidparhsin]

@@anitaxin7329 you could use that argument but still, if this song was used it would make him sound like he has no remorse for his actions.

[@Mr.Smeghead]

But- but I didn't MEAN to destroy all the wildlife, I promise it wasn't my fault! My mom convinced me! I swear it was an accident! Anyway, on a side note, Thneeds are now half price.

[@voidishprattles4319]

Imagine Danny Devito giving us a rock speech about greed and pride. They took that from us.

[@Logmao.]

Yeah

[@Saul_Bueno]

As they say in south park; “THEY TOK R SUNG!”

[@LuckyRare]

To be fair it'd be an odd message to send if you compare greed to a pet "Feeding pets is bad." XD

[@WitchHunter93]

@@LuckyRare I think the messaging is that if you overfeed your greed then it gets out of control and always wants food. So it's kind of like an obese dog that won't control itself.

[@LuckyRare]

@@WitchHunter93 But at the same time "If you feed it, it'll just get hungry again" applies to every living being. Generally you shouldn't feed greed at all.

[@boogaloobender3462]

I have absolutely no idea how nobody in Once-ler's company thought to harvest the seeds from the truffula trees they chopped down lmao

[@Illusion397-]

yeah they were kinda.. 🫡

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

It's kinda the point. They were so greedy, so prideful, so careless, that they ended up biggering so much that the only thing they had left to eat to bigger, was themselves..

[@devontheundivided9815]

Company property hand them over

[@dionaeamuscipula6649]

Say that to the people chopping down the amazon 🫠

[@devontheundivided9815]

@@dionaeamuscipula6649 lmao you actually believe in the amazon?

[@Ripred25680]

Don’t forget we also lost “YOURE ALL GOING TO JAIL!” So many scrapped things could’ve saved the movie

[@zombiefvckerr]

literally this song and 'you're all going to jail!' could've been the only good parts of a hellhole movie

[@estela654]

also the demo songs of the movie and the original ideas that could turn the movie into a good movie

[@vilmavenla]

But instead we get funny yellow guy and YOU DIRTY DIRTBAG and the meme pop song

[@Mihael_Lugo]

​@@zombiefvckerrp

[@WEYYYY874]

@@vilmavenlaand let it grow 😄🔫

[@yoboibeerus1387]

"who cares if SOME THINGS are dying!" You almost had the balls illumination, you almost had the balls...

[@peepeepoopoomyguy7457]

Now,it has hen

[@KallenMalefic]

Think about it. The writers knew this song wasn't going to make it. But they wrote it anyway. They had it sung. They had the SB made. Why? Because one way or another, they wanted to say "fuck you" the the companies.

[@stingray12323]

There's a similar line in "how bad can I be" but this one is more darker tone

[@Rancord123]

@@KallenMalefic never thought of it this way, it makes a whole lot of sense tbh

[@xleplayVA]

The difference between the how bad can i be vs this one is who has agency and knowledge of the actions. Its darker cause in this one the onceler knows he is straight up killing animals and other things than trees as a result of his actions, yet he keeps going. Im thinking about making a rough 3d versio. Of this as i 3d model for a hobby, and seeing how it turns out put to this cut song. See how good it couldve really been

[@sev1011]

Although this song wasn't in the movie, let's all be grateful that we were able to hear it. We might of never knew that a song was created to truely represent the Lorax

[@brandonb4742]

Amen brother

[@Treeeee2008]

This could've been one of those lost media cases where the original draft for the movie was scrapped and none of it would be able to find online, luckily they added this and all of the other deleted songs to the official soundtrack.

[@ace_pro_gamer1]

The only reason its in the soundtrack is because the band the preformed it had clauses for it so it had to be in the movie and cd or just the soundtrack

[@totlicker]

kind of ruins the effect tho

[@captainkraken3550]

Hell yeah.

[@Difelder]

I am just glad they actually released this to the public cause man I love this song

[@Spidercola]

This is fan made lol

[@Blueskiiiiii]

​@@Spidercola nuh uh

[@Spidercola]

@@Blueskiiiiii read the description

[@getaround1276]

@Spider the storyboard is fan-made but the song is official

[@Spidercola]

@@getaround1276 I’m not stupid I know that’s not the point of the comment

[@SourGummi1118]

“How bad can I be” is what he told Ted “Biggering” is what actually happened

[@Guilty-Gearer-Does-Things]

Why not both

[@Nada-V]

​@@Guilty-Gearer-Does-ThingsNah, because the movie one made it seem like peer pressure. While here makes it show how far pride can eat your morals.

[@Guilty-Gearer-Does-Things]

@@Nada-V Cool, cool. But I was talking about how Illumination could've used both songs in the movie instead of just using How Bad Can I Be

[@phrinus]

I mean, I see the irony. The Once-ler cuts the trees. They cut the songs. Biggering it is.

[@absolite6]

Chop chop......

[@odinudin4313]

Wow..

[@sasukes.6370]

at the end of the day, it is a corporation that makes this movie and has to promote it. they can't wound their ego too much so they just decide to cut the song for that reason and then make some lame excuse about it being too "dark" (despite knowing most kids wouldn't actually understand or pay attention)

[@I_am_somebody_1234]

Big corp needed some biggering of its own

[@pashenka1546]

@@sasukes.6370 Not to mention, most of Dr. Seuss’ books had really dark meanings and messages behind it.

[@bored_potato]

"Who cares if some *things* are dying?" is a whole lot scarier--and hits more close to reality, than just "Who cares if a few trees are dying?"

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

Right? That line implies that he’s legit killed some of the creatures or even workers either on accident or on willful ignorance, and the sad part is that’s basically how a majority of companies are. If I recall there’s a story of a pretty big mining company (can’t remember the name) completely covering up MANY fatal accidents in the workplace and it never came out till years later, and when it did they made a half-assed clearly corporate apology without giving the families compensation at all.

[@suraivase7285]

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Honestly, companies that are discovered to have done this kind of crap should be forced to dissolve and the heads of the company should be arrested, and not be given the option to pay using money, or if the option is available, it should be high enough to put them in finantial ruin.

[@sebastiantucto5647]

Not only that but the way he sings it makes clearer his evilness

[@davifernandopereiraborges5168]

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 i never thinked he may also be refering to workers,but surely he is killing lots and lots of animal because of how they not got food and surely got intoxicated by polution,plants are also living beings and they are all dying.

[@whadayadoin3300]

@@suraivase7285 you say as you're typing on one of those computers those companies manufacture

[@Jaydog-sc8zv]

I like the line “I need a bigger staff”. He’s most likely referring to a staff for his company. I prefer thinking it as he wants a bigger scepter to go with his bigger chair and hat, like a king on his throne.

[@sclint1427]

I know this is just a storyboard but at 4:09 the way the Lorax horrifyingly looks at the Onceler, knowing he wont stop is brilliant as it is haunting

[@Alini_]

Dr Suess is crying that this wasn’t in the movie.

[@jelliforever8580]

Dr.Seuss crying sounds nice

[@pcvrisepic]

@@jelliforever8580 what

[@dirtyblnd]

@@jelliforever8580 everyone makes mistakes. if you ever became famous, and your life gets put under a glass, people can literally find the worst things you did and use that as reasons to dislike you. he changed, read deeper. he brought happiness to children all over the world before he died, and that's what matters.

[@pcvrisepic]

@@jelliforever8580 I know, but nobody really is, I don’t think it’s fair to put famous people under a glass of good and once you see something bad, to think of them as a bad person. Normal people do the same bad things as he did and everybody makes mistakes

[@justinus8608]

Everyone is crying this wasn't in

[@Andrea-zo4qy]

I like how he doesn’t just say he “wants” a bigger office or he “wants” a bigger chair, he NEEDS it. It really shows just how greedy he’s gotten that he can’t distinguish between a want and a need.

[@SleepyMelodies24]

@mrbeastt ok? XD

[@ssgpizzalover515]

same its a good touch

[@zzodysseuszz]

No shit. The song was not being subtle at all with that message. Not even remotely Edit: you guys are braindead. You actually thought you were making valid responses to me by claiming you weren’t trying discover a hidden message. If you weren’t trying to discover a hidden message than your comments were literally the floor is made of flood joke. You LITERALLY repeated the entire message of the song. The song is literally about the onceler becoming greedier and greedier until he becomes consumed by his greed completely. That was the entire point of the song, you just told me that you liked what the song was literally fundamentally singing about and then tried to act like it was outrageous of me to say it was obvious. Grow up you’re embarrassing yourself. You were literally belittling and mocking me for saying the obvious was obvious as if it’s an outrageous thought. Holy shit. You have all reached peak idiocy

[@BurningBridgeStudios]

@@zzodysseuszz I wonder what you morons are actually thinking when you say stuff like this. Like.. I don't get it? Did you think he was purposely trying to find some secret message? I feel like you people want to look smarter but it always makes you look like an idiot that has a low reading comprehension.

[@venusianblivet9518]

To be fair the distinction is arbitrary

[@mjhtv5397]

this hits so much harder after seeing the greedy and borderline EVIL behavior studio CEOs and executives have put on display recently. their refusal to pay actors and writers right on top of plotting to use AI to replace them is super depressing. they even plan on dragging the strike until the SAG/WGA members start losing their apartments and houses. this whole situation is the embodiment of "who cares if some things are dying? I don't wanna hear your crying"

[@rikiishitoru8885]

It's a democracy, Hollywood - the execs and the union members and even the struggling workers - brought this upon themselves with their own spending and voting patterns. The writers easily clear $100k for uncredited work and still can't afford to live? They're all animals and they'll eat each other before admitting they've been living the wrong way

[@The_True_Mx_Pink]

Capitalism! Yay...

[@rikiishitoru8885]

Californians brought this upon themselves with their terrible voting patterns $150k is poverty wages in LA because of them

[@thesteelsquid863]

​@@The_True_Mx_Pinkunfortunately, it's probably not going anywhere, either..

[@fatcat5817]

The fact the gov was supposed to keep them in check but instead they give the 2A to illegals.🤭

[@huntercool2232]

“WHO CARES IF SOME THINGS ARE DYINGGGGGGGG!!!! I DON’T WANNA HEAR YOUR CRYINGGGGGGGG!!!!” *Bro that honestly hits way to close to home…*

[@Bandicoot_Productions69]

a detail that I always notice, onceler seems to simply go crazy in these last parts from "I Must Keep Biggering", honestly this makes the character much scarier than he actually would be

[@Bandicoot_Productions69]

Biggering was a song that could show the onceler's change in behavior, going from greedy to sadistic madman. (lmao This sounds like a creepypasta haha)

[@theradicalace]

honestly, what kind of movie did we miss out on that had this song in it??? like, the cheesy movie that we got could've never had anything like this, so WHAT was the first draft of the lorax like to allow for this banger of a song??

[@ahnalbeets774]

Samantha Adams Some executive: “Yeah, this is a great song and everything Jim, but the focus testing is saying that we need MORE POP TUNES, otherwise we run the small risk of only making a FRACTION of the potential profits! You wouldn’t want us to, god forbid, take CREATIVE RISKS? Would you?” At least that’s how I imagine things went all those years ago.

[@soulite2574]

Because Illumination cares more about "biggering" themselves.

[@dosdoomguy2285]

The message is more important than the song and sadly kids are more into easy listening pop songs than rock ballads.

[@Marcelelias11]

But the chart says...

[@alvarodoismil]

It was always the same, except Ted wanted a Whosit (whatever that is) instead of Audrey and in first drafts the Once-ler was a bug instead of a person

[@tokka7954]

This song actually fits what the Dr Seuss's original Lorax was aiming for with the Onceler

[@Sleepy12ftPanda]

That's why Illumination hated it.

[@Iluvtallyhallsm]

yes it did

[@an8strengthkobold360]

So much better

[@ahorribleterribleperson]

When a movie that is supposed to be a commentary of the atrocities and dangers of big, soulless corporations is handled and produced by a big, soulless corporation The Lorax is what you get.

[@drawnwithlove3499]

@@ahorribleterribleperson probably cuz Illumination is a big, selfish company

[@Oskir_Schlickarsson]

The fact that this would’ve not only been the best scene in illumination history, but the greatest villain song in animation history but they just said ”nah” is so insane. Hellfire really has nothing on this

[@louiedelk592]

Everyone talks about the Onceler’s solo at the end but my favorite part is Lorax’s monologue. It’s so brutal and honest.

[@snoopdoge1353]

I can't find the original comment so I'll just put this here again. Everyone is talking about that this should have been in the movie instead of HBCIB, but I think it'd have worked even better if they put both. Starting off with HBCIB as the Once-ler is still "naive" but doing increasingly questionable things in the name of money, which then returns as a dark reprise in Biggering (since they even share parts of the melody and lyrics) with a drastic tonal shift in the movie once he fully embraces his corporate greed and willingly descends into full-on madness, destroying the world out of his own avarice and newfound megalomania. By having a light-hearted iteration of the song in the beginning of his story that returns as a gritty reprise later, the audience would be able to see how far the Lorax has fallen from the "innocent" person he used to be, while still clearly seeing that he chose this path all by himself. It would have shown both how innocent intentions can go wrong (like the movie tries to), but alongside the original book's message that if a person becomes a monster like this, they'll have nobody to blame but themselves for it.

[@Vera-od4hp]

bruh that would’ve been beautiful

[@Gamergirl-.-]

I wish they could do a redo of the Lorax

[@RebelTrooperHoth]

How far the lorax fell as a person

[@etcetc1]

fuck it would have been such a badass reprise

[@eeeee3259]

Damn this gave me chills in a good way

[@theslickimpala5308]

I like how you portrayed the Lorax as more of the Oncler’s morality. When the Lorax was talking to him about greed, we could see the Lorax shadow but not him actually. And the Lorax rejecting the Oncler at the end symbolizes his morality being all lost.

[@dominicesquivel3901]

That’s how the Lorax should have been in the whole film.

[@anon4435]

And that he looks absolutely terrifying yelling “pride”. The Lorax, or rather the Onceler’s morality, should’ve been terrifying. A worthy contender, battling the Once-ler’s greed.

[@nalsium2828]

Alternatively, it could be seen as him losing all respect for himself

[@amnxji4723]

@@anon4435 real he looked pretty scary yelling pride

[@WormTexture]

i saw "lorax shadow" and read ldshaowlady.

[@theflatpancake1713]

Maturing is realizing that "biggering" is better than "how bad can i be."

[@tangerinecowboy]

I think they're both good to be honest. How Bad Can I Be, is pretty iconic, sounds decent, and gets the point across to a specific degree Biggering, is spectacular, but I'd say isn't as known about as How Bad Can I Be ( to the average viewer ) sounds extraordinary, and gets the point across really well. How Bad Can I Be, is good in a more lighter tone, but Biggering is good when trying to convey a true lesson, which in a way they both do, but Biggering gets the point across.

[@astrobeth]

​@@tangerinecowboy I think both of them should of been in the movie, put how bad can I be first as a lighter version that shows he doesn't realise what he's doing and then later on in the movie use biggering as a darker reprise to show the damage

[@BurritoVillage]

@@astrobeth They would probably have to make mild changes to how bad can i be because he does give in to pride and greed in the song, and we want that in Biggering

[@TrifectShow]

​@@astrobethYeah, best of both worlds

[@monke7919]

​@tangerinecowboy biggering prioritizes telling the orginal message of the book making the ounceler the villain how bad can I be is making him a oblivious villain and prioritizes getting stuck in your head over actually sending a message biggering he says "who cares if a few things are dying" in how bad can I be he says "who cares if a few trees are dying" a notebale difference in meaning

[@RealSpaceCore]

i really want for someone to turn this masterpiece into a 3D smoothly animated clip

[@yourwifi-dn7le]

my life is not complete until I find it

[@PureMusizuEntertainment]

​@@yourwifi-dn7le same

[@PureMusizuEntertainment]

Imma find a animator

[@LizardGames_25]

We're gonna need a miracle, we'll have to just pray that someone comes to make a 3D animation of this that looks like something that could have been in the movie

[@PureMusizuEntertainment]

@@LizardGames_25 fr

[@raquelalejandrapatinoojeda8334]

The idea that this song is "too dark for kids" is absolute bullshit. If people look back at The Hunchback of Notre Dame and the song Hellfire with nostalgia, with people still talking about how great that song is... Yeah, no, Illumination had no excuse to cut this. Kids can handle way more than what you think, and corporations need to stop treating them like idiots.

[@Charely1925]

Agreed! I think it has less to do with kids handling darker themes and more that they can handle deeper honesty. It's not dark for dark's sake, the song is dark because it holds truth. Multi-million dollar corporations don't just accidentally destroy their means of production. Good wood companies strictly measure how much they harvest and make sure to re-place what they cut down. Big corp's never start with evil intentions, but every corp is fully capable of intense evil. Pride is the source of all evil, that's why greed is stated to be like a pet. Greed can do nothing if we don't feed it. But the moment we start indulging in more than we need, it makes us want more until it drives us to be consciously insane, doing what we KNOW is wrong. Hellfire and Biggering not only cover dark themes, they cover the human condition which every one of us struggle with. A bit much, I know, but that's my thoughts on that.

[@jackdavenport5011]

Illumination is just so fixated on making bare-bones, digestible movies that are as inoffensive as possible, that's why they watered down the movie's dark themes so much (along with, you know, being exactly like the corporations the movie would have been calling out).

[@fueledbycandy5920]

And children no longer can or want to be oblivious to this sort of thing. As a 12 year old, I wish I knew more about climate change and this song would have been great for 7 year old me to hear, even if it stung. Its supposed to sting, its fucking climate change

[@josharmstrong8813]

Yeah that's absolutely true it may just be the fact that I was born in 2001 but I watched a fairly large amount of dark things and I'm not a completely maniac Watership Down, a Mouse's tail, lion king and many others I can't think of right now Basically I watched quite a few things that were either dark or had dark parts in them

[@BsicalyLucifer]

their hand was kinda forced though

[@tokenofdreams]

“if the customers are buyin’ and the money multiplyin’... who cares if some things are dyin’?” DUDE that line is so good why didn’t it get into the actual movie?? oh wait, because illumination was too scared to face the reality of corporate greed and consumerism in a kids movie because they were afraid it’d be “too dark”

[@christopherc5456]

Ilumination: BUtt iTS noT kID FRIendLY

[@ericjohnson6120]

plausible deniability. "some things are dyin'" got censored to "a few trees are dyin"?

[@peepeepoopoomyguy7457]

@@christopherc5456 I agree with illumination studios.i was scared in a bad way.

[@sharkpopsharkie]

That line is actually in the song weirdly enough but its washed out and forgotten because of the poppy and oblivious tone its hard to understand the songs message there are some things that stayed but they became washed out and over time lost their meaning and just became another line

[@stupidenby]

@@peepeepoopoomyguy7457 that’s the point

[@narsilthefreak6171]

2:08 *That is a nasty little worm... And I like to call it PRIDE* This movie could've left a gigantic mark if they'd chosen to take this route. The Lorax's bit about unrestrained greed and personal pride is so real it burns.

[@yohan6942]

"who cares if some things are dying?" I fucking love this part

[@J_Dio632]

crying*

[@yohan6942]

​@@J_Dio632nope it's "who cares if some things are dying I don't wanna hear you crying". I doubt they would use crying two times and also it's pretty hard d at the beginning

[@The_flonkiest_son]

way better than "who cares if a few trees are dying?"

[@yohan6942]

@@The_flonkiest_son exactly! A lot more powerful

[@haziqhakim5995]

In the original the trees probably weren't the only one dying humans were also dying

[@ObaREX]

Honestly, this movie should be remade. A tad bit of a darker version, which includes this song. On another note, this song is so great. I know that the Once-ler is falling into darkness and is being a total jerk but at the same time you can really feel for him. You actually feel like you're with him at the top of the world near the end. Really says something about the human race. We want to do the right thing... but we also want things for ourselves.

[@ezrablock3218]

I agree. I would like your comment, but you have 28 likes. And i really like the number 28.

[@ObaREX]

Ezra Block lol ok

[@ezrablock3218]

Now you have 43. Here.

[@AprilTheSimmer]

Ezra Block Usually if I see a comment and I'm not sure whether to like it or not, if it has the numbers 9, 19, 29, etc. I tend to just like it anyway for some reason. It's a habit, and I have to force myself to not press the like button. 😆

[@zomystar]

I’m late, but I want a wayyy darker version of this movie for an older audience instead of a completely childish movie that covers up the meaning of the movie with bright colours

[@Benjamin-vl2oh]

People, just remember: This song is only a Demo. Imagine what we could have gotten.

[@nicholasmahoney7820]

Oh.....

[@gabrote42]

Wow....

[@MrsBunny-hg4yg]

What we “got” was a terrible pop song for children. They basically aren’t even the same song anymore.

[@clouds-rb9xt]

@@MrsBunny-hg4yg Well it's two different songs so yeah, I don't think anyone's arguing they aren't

[@salmonish891]

I don’t think you can get much better than this

[@verycoolperson46]

Imagine putting your heart and soul into making one of the best songs in film history, only for it to be cut because it hurt some business man’s feewings

[@cursedcat6467]

Cut to deep

[@Aresie271]

To think how good this movie actually would’ve been if this song would’ve made the cut. Not only is it a better song, but it’s more organic to the story and it would’ve allowed a better opportunity to write a character growth arc for the Onceler. The movie would’ve made a lot more sense, and it would’ve been more faithful to the original onceler. He would’ve actually learned that he should actually give a shit about the environment, instead of realizing he made an oopsie and didn’t replant the trees. I’m one of the few people who actually unironcally like the Lorax movie (and I ironically enjoy How Bad Can I Be) but this movie would’ve been so much better with Biggering and would’ve allowed for more potential for the movie to be more respected.

[@huntmoped]

If biggering hadn't been cut we would have never gotten HBCIB

[@TheGalaxyWings]

It's a symptom of the movie's failure, not a cause

[@Diabolical420]

HBCIB is a bop tho

[@louche2388]

*_You will never get to watch a dark, rock opera version of The Lorax_* I could just cry

[@foolofhearts4553]

cutie patootie SAME

[@elpatoarcade2320]

Just end it

[@twinkiesmaster69]

life ain't worth it

[@maniakk3563]

I mean the original lorax wasnt meant to be a comedy. Sure it was cartoony because it's Dr. Seuss, but it was supposed to be a semi-dark story with a serious environmental message

[@alvarodoismil]

If they do another Lorax remake i hope they make it actually good and put this song (when it belongs)

[@FlynnBTerrens]

Biggering is what actually happened How bad can i be is just the way the Onceler told the story to that little kid

[@BabyGhast4]

Y’know what, this is an answer I’d be happy with. Imagine if there was a bonus short or maybe even another film that was about how the Onceler lied to the kid as it shows what really happened with this song being the main moment in the film/short.

[@theultimatememelord5494]

This is now my headcanon.

[@PrincessGalaxia9]

That is hilarious and super realistic at the same time.

[@PrincessGalaxia9]

@@BabyGhast4 DUDE omg yes that'd be perfect

[@videoms1271]

That's actually pretty smart. He wouldn't try to portray himself as a soulless monster, rather as a businessman

[@Kira-pv4xq]

Woah.. this.. STRANGELY RESEMBLES A CERTAIN KZbinR RIGHT NOW.

[@alientif0450]

I didn't know who this comment was referring to, until I saw it is a recent comment lol, but yeah, definitely

[@Guy96477]

Funny that mrbeast literally made something called team trees lol

[@justaguy6216]

This excatly what should have been in the film. He knows his, past, he knows all the people he's hurt, but his pride wont stop him from biggering. Lorax also played a more active role in this storyboard than being pushed around in "how bad can I be". Wonderful work.

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

I think both songs should have been in the movie. It should have started with "How bad can I possibly be" and the transitioned into "Biggering"

[@justaguy6216]

@@alchemistofsteel8099 Honestly after I heard this, how bad can I be is kinda mid.

[@Vespercold]

this was cut to make the movie more relatable think about that, they were literally biggering

[@PeeperSnail]

The problem is that they didn't handle the Onceler well in the film. Biggering or How Bad Can I Be, no matter which was chosen in the end, would have still been a shitty attempt at making him relatable if they didn't properly developed his character. The shift from well-intentioned hipster to greedy smug fucker was too quick that even the fandom that came out of this movie had a hard time acting like the two were the same person.

[@FuzzyLittleBastard]

I think if they had focused on the Onceler instead of ted it would have been a MUCH better movie

[@louche2388]

remember the lorax approved SUV commercials? "AND THE PR PEOPLE ARE LYING"

[@LadyYukihyo]

I agree. The biggest problem of this show is they focused on Ted so they lighten Onceler's personality and moral as well.

[@PokeTube]

Gingereenio And It's A Kids Movie So No Smoking A Cigar.

[@Titleknown]

Anyone else have a hunch that this film was meant to be waaaaaaay darker until it got watered down to what we have now by the execs? This certainly gives credence to that hypothesis...

[@carmena.gonzalezrios8372]

J. Han at least Zootopia conserved it’s original message and turned out to be good unlike the Lorax

[@PikaChu-fr4fq]

What if we got a Tim Burten remake :O

[@VeloxFox]

I actually did have a hunch when I watched the film on its screening. I knew there was a darker story behind there (I was not a dumb kid)

[@sad-4ss]

@ouh ́ would have* i also agree... so so so much. I wonder why the film was cut so that it doesn't paint corporations in such a dark color hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@wildfire9280]

@Big Deo if it does happen though, I'd love to see Illumination in particular face some comeuppance

[@smoldragon339]

This song gives "Hellfire" a run for it's money. It sucks so much that we were robbed of it, especially since Lorax SHOULD be an unapologetically dark story.

[@estrella-om7tu]

What do you mean by hellfire?

[@estrella-om7tu]

Well actually, originally the movie was going to be darker and closer to the original book, this song is not the only one removed, there are more songs that are on the soundtrack that if you listen to them you will realize what the plot was originally going to be like.

[@smoldragon339]

@@estrella-om7tu "Hellfire" is the villain song of Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame". It's widely considered to be one of the best villain songs ever, as well as one of the darkest.

[@smoldragon339]

@@estrella-om7tu Thanks! I'll have to give the rest of the soundtrack a listen

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@smoldragon339 I think there are similarities in biggering and hellfire

[@upcomingperson4098]

Something I noticed in the lyrics while listening to this song again: In the last part (where the chorus takes place), the Once-ler says this: "Though biggering is triggering more biggering!" But then, in the next part, he states: "And biggering is triggering more biggering!" "Though" is replaced with "and," like Once-ler's fully accepting what he's doing. This could imply that Once-ler was having second thoughts. Or maybe I'm looking too deep into things.

[@dand1253]

If you notice, he also uses "and" at the very start of the song. That definitely makes it seem like the "though" represents him acknowledging that what he's doing is wrong, or at least has downsides - because he _did_ hear the Lorax's warning, after all. He just chose to _ignore_ it. In the beginning, he was just being reckless, not fully understanding the implications of it all. At the end, he's _willfully blind_ to the problems he's creating.

[@upcomingperson4098]

@@dand1253 Yeah, he does know what he's doing is wrong. I think he's just lying to himself.

[@mimsycookiiess]

@@dand1253I love this interpretation!

[@angie.castle]

I like how the Lorax here talks that Pride is what feeds Greed. Not talked about enough. There's a reason why pride is considered the deadliest of the sins

[@1_____________________]

Although it is true, the answer isn't as simple as trying to shut your pride off. Pride is your identity, getting rid of your pride would imply getting rid of one's self. Letting that "worm" grow out of control, that's where the problem is.

[@sheevhernandez3869]

Like vegeta because he allow cell become perfect, became evil again by allowing babbity controlling him for a bit and when he fought perfect cell, he allow his pride come our and he was defeated. Pride may as well be the most dangerous sin in the world because it can hurt like vegeta and other heros/villans in the past. Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

[@SunScourge]

"This is all so gratifying"...

[@artemiostriantafyllou7986]

@@1_____________________ agree, except pride is not your "identity", it's not the nucleus of your existence.

[@geardestroy]

Wnating better things is not a bad thing, but when you only care about yourself and having power, and you hurt others for it, then youre just feeding your ego, greed and pride are not bad in istelfs, its when you take them to the extremes when you stop caring and start hurting

[@ArtsyStarleta]

Honestly the writers act as if they had to choose between this and HBCIB, but like, do they not understand what an amazing reprise to HBCIB this could have been?

[@louche2388]

You make it sound as if they came out and discussed their reasons for changing things. They didn't. The director vaguely alluded to this song on the commentary, that's it.

[@jodgee2374]

I listened to the commentary. It sounded like they wanted the movie to have a more "ironic" tone so it could be light-hearted and fun.

[@louche2388]

Jodgee The Lorax was never lighthearted or fun, though. That's just inappropriate.

[@jodgee2374]

No Face but we've GOT to have MONEY!!!!

[@louche2388]

Jodgee topical, I like it

[@thefbiman2116]

Not only does it sound better as a composition, but the singer sounds so much more into his performance. He can feel himself being consumed by his power as the song goes on, and that's nothing short of amazing

[@animan608]

At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff I had a little cottage And that cottage was enough A place where I could sit and knit A place where I could sell my Thneeds But now I've had a little time To re-assess my needs And I need a bigger office I need a bigger chair A bigger desk, a bigger staff A bigger hat to wear Because I'm biggering I'm figuring I'm biggering And biggering is triggering More biggering Hey, listen up, meathead I'm going to say this once, and I'm not gonna repeat it Greed ya see, it's like a little pet, alright? And the more and more and more that you go and feed it The more hungry it'll get But you know, you really can't blame greed No, that's stupid You see, it's gotta worm inside Oh yeah, that's right It's one that always needs to feed And it is never satisfied You get it? But the more you try to find it The more it likes to hide Now listen that is nasty little worm And I like to call it pride See, now that's why you're biggering Listen here, idiot I'm figuring on biggering But that biggering's just triggering more biggering Got that? Alright There is a principle of nature That most every creature knows It's called survival of the fittest And this is how it goes The animal that wins has got to Claw and kick and punch The animal that doesn't Winds up someone else's lunch A company's an animal That's trying to survive (survive) It's struggling, and fighting Just to keep itself alive I must keep biggering I'm figuring I'm biggering Though biggering is triggering more biggering I won't stop Biggering I'm figuring I'm biggering And biggering is triggering more biggering And the customers are buying And the money multiplying And the pr people lying And the lawyers are denying Who cares if some things are dying? I don't wanna hear your crying This is all so gratifying

[@WeNeedAMeteor38274]

You need to get pinned!

[@William_William_]

@@WeNeedAMeteor38274ikr

[@TheJackish90]

You know, "How Bad Can I Be?" is essentially the Kidz Bop version of "Biggering," someone said once. I don't remember where I heard that though, but it's not wrong.

[@hunnybunny3211]

Yo funny

[@Errlich]

I think it was on the music video of biggering (auto gen by youtube)

[@Errlich]

Sadly KZbin decided to turn off comments on auto generated videos (for some reason) but I think I know the exact words. "How Bad Can I Be is the Kidz Bop version of this song" You got the comment almost right.

[@TheJackish90]

@@Errlich Yeah, that's where it was! We shouldn't let that message die, my friend.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@Errlich Why did KZbin decide to do that? It was a great way to discussed music, and sometimes had the highest quality of the songs uploaded.

[@twiggy3638]

I will never forgive them for ruining the animal that doesn’t winds up someone else’s lunch. It’s so powerful here but there it was just annoying and came across as childish. This is a masterpiece and illumination is symptomatic of the very problem the movie was SUPPOSED to talk about.

[@xloisx4603]

They made ‘How Bad Can I Be’ just a goofy song so now it’s a meme. If they kept Biggering, it wouldn’t really be a meme song, it would be more of a song that would make people want to re-watch the film.

[@audreyii6750]

Even better in "Biggering" the the metaphor is/works as a call back to the conservative push to make corporations "people" under the law. A corporation isn't a person/animal. It's not alive. It won't starve unlike real animals/people. But businessmen still push that lie. At his worst, _this_ Onceler is indistinguishable from real businessmen who do/say anything to keep making more & more money, including destroy the environment & cause irreparable harm to people & animals. In "How Bad Can I Be" at his worst the Onceler is naïve & unaware of how much damage he's _really_ doing, something not true to life when it comes to billion dollar corporations. They know exactly what they're doing. Every time I come back to "Biggering" I get mad all over again!

[@jessicacreed7773]

Love how they kept the exact lines about the survival of the fittest in how bad can I be *except* for the part about corporations lmao that's not telling is it

[@Cobalt985]

@@audreyii6750 I'm mad for both that reason and also the fact this song straight fuckin' SLAPS and I can't believe I didn't get to hear this in the theater

[@technotrapper]

Its why no one likes their suess movies

[@sky-trevishere9638]

I like how this also shows the creation of thneedville, and actually shows the onceler as an actual villain and his decent into this greed and cruelty instead of being mamas boy who listened to their fam and “how bad can I be”?

[@estrella-om7tu]

It also shows that the onceler is the founder of the city of thneedville

[@supernovel7514]

This song perfectly fits mr beast

[@yourcarsextendedwarranty4453]

I was gonna say the same thing

[@enriquetapio]

Onceler is Mrbeast while Lorax is dogpack404

[@Noelleanderson]

The “Who cares if *some things* are dying?!” Would’ve hit so much harder to the audience. Especially since in the film we all got to know and love the adorable furry creatures the oncelor met.

[@d3cay1ngaway33]

There is a similar line in how bad can I be ("who cares if a few trees are dying") but I feel like it's over emphasized unlike in biggering where the lyrics are more subtle

[@thelegendarybloxycola4727]

@@d3cay1ngaway33 It also says "few" instead of "some".

[@GreekTurkey]

@@thelegendarybloxycola4727 and "trees" instead of "things." It creates plausible deniability and removes autonomy, where this song doesn't.

[@lelacorbin5986]

Yeah

[@m00nsickn3ssx6]

Facts

[@cinco5555]

Hey everybody--Cinco Paul here, I wrote the lyrics to "Biggering" (John Powell wrote the music) and it means so much to me how many of you have embraced this song. We personally loved it, but as many of you have guessed the higher-ups thought it was too dark for the movie. The tales I could tell about making this movie! Anyway, I'm going to let John know about this--I'm sure he'll be thrilled. Thank you, Gloria, for this amazing storyboard, and thanks to all of you for your great comments about the song. I'm so glad it finally found its audience.

[@GloriaDrewThis]

That means SO much. Thank you Cinco!!

[@Andrea-zo4qy]

If you don't mind sharing, what were some of those tales? How did you get involved? What was your favourite part about making it? Also Biggering is dope af.

[@cinco5555]

@@Andrea-zo4qy Audrey Geisel (Mrs. Seuss) was really happy w/ our writing on Horton Hears a Who, so together w/ Chris Meledandri we approached her about The Lorax, my favorite Seuss book. I specifically wanted it to be a musical as a way to expand the book, and creating the songs was definitely my favorite part. It was frustrating having "Biggering" rejected, as well as being forced to make Ted's motivation his crush on Audrey, make the story much more of a buddy picture than we'd wanted, etc., etc., but overall although I know it's a far from perfect movie I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. But much happier with Horton and Despicable Me!

[@brightsky9749]

Words can't explain how wonderful and talented you guys are!!! Don't let anybody tell you guys otherwise.This song is so on point.Thank you so SO much for this.You guys are legendary!!

[@Andrea-zo4qy]

@@cinco5555 That's so cool! I always wondered what went on behind the making of these kinds of movies, thanks for sharing :)

[@myguitarisinmymind]

The lyrics to this song is terrifying. It shows the truth self of the Onceler. He doesn't care about the animals, nor the trees, nor the Lorax, he only cares about the profits he makes from his Thneeds. THAT is scary, and that is a real thing happening in companies.

[@estrella-om7tu]

It's no surprise because it was eliminated

[@Hecuba107]

That is both a perfect summary of the conflict and, unfortunately, how companies really are.

[@I_Am_Transcendentem]

3:56 is amazing. And 3:58 is too. The once-ler, overwhelmed for a moment by guilt, reaches out to the Lorax, as a sort of peace offer. It is far too late.

[@SonGok11533]

Yeah then he sees how ppl love him by the shit he doing

[@narsilthefreak6171]

The Lorax might have been rightfully angry at him for what he did, but if he had accepted his offer it might have stopped the deforestation. Just like in the old animated movie, it's not just the Once-ler that is to blame.

[@pottmoontherealthe]

Corporate greed is scary. The Lorax story is dark. If you don't wanna confront that reality, and try not to scare children, why make a Lorax movie then? Thats the whole point of the story.

[@wandanemer2630]

They did it for THE CASH.

[@Ishidalover]

Because funny fuzzy orange man does silly dance and makes Illumination the big bucks. Lol

[@Doublemonk0506]

Because they never learned the lesson of those who were biggering

[@tiffanysantacruz6099]

Money bruh they are hypocrites that don’t wanna scare off their cash bags

[@chameleoncove]

Also, why were you making this movie for children? This would have been fine as a PG movie.

[@admiralackbar6551]

4:15 "Who cares if some THINGS are dying" vs "Who cares if some TREES are dying" WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE THIS SMALL BUT HUGE DETAIL???? It's so much more impactful when you realize that the Onceler's action aren't just causing trees to die, but animals too.

[@robowisanveithasung6022]

not just animals and trees, but potentially workers too

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@robowisanveithasung6022 And, in my opinion, both songs would work well, with "How Bad Can I Be" working as the start of his madness, and "Biggering" as him embracing that madness

[@nicky_kitty_777]

oh and also many people

[@HellVirus0919]

Yep

[@vilmavenla]

@@robowisanveithasung6022 And maybe just generally people with weaker lungs and health problems.

[@huntercool2232]

I’m glad people haven’t forgotten about this cut song from the Lorax after all this time. *It really does go hard like no joke.*

[@estrella-om7tu]

in this song we see what the lorax could be

[@aaronman4772]

I believe that we should bring this back, in honor of Universal, who distributed Lorax, who made the brilliant decision to cut trees that were providing shade to striking workers around the studios. Because the irony is just... so palpable. After all, why does Universal care if some things are dying, they just want to keep Biggering.

[@Protato_Gamer]

Reasons why this song wasn’t used: 1: if they used it kids may feel slightly weird and they might even have to think and that wouldn’t sell as many toys. That’s it. Thanks illuminations

[@Treeeee2008]

That's all companies care about when making children's movies these days, selling toys, not telling a story or expanding a world, only promoting products for gullible children to pester their parents to buy, I understand that companies have to make money to keep making movies but they could at least do it in a less douchey way.

[@gabrielegenota1480]

@@Treeeee2008 Well yeah- that's kinda what the biggering song criticizes kinda- Companies do things for profit. That's the main incentive- making shitty movies that sell is profitable.

[@unicornman147]

the other reason: it hurt corporate feelings

[@RicoLightning]

Ironic that the song about greedy corporations was cut out of the movie by a greedy corporation

[@inv3rted_moment884]

The reason biggering was cut is because Illumination wanted to keep biggering…

[@igorkoskin5214]

I know, I'm probably terribly late for the party, but my dear god, this song is so great. Slow start, story development, the cut to the overwhelming silence right after the apex, the climax - everything just lines up perfectly. And not only that, but the overall message is much deeper that overly simplified "nature is gud cause we want trees". How Bad Can I Be has it's own merits, but Biggering is a straight up masterpiece, and realizing it's forgotten forever to be buried in the dumpster brings a single tear to my eyes.

[@jackierocha5096]

Don’t feel bad, I only found out about it last night

[@phantasy9082]

@@jackierocha5096 what a coincidence I find it today

[@Bluejay-jg6hz]

@@phantasy9082 Same

[@Spectra651]

I never realized it before now, but... we were robbed

[@insertnamehere5615]

I know right!!! This song is sooo fricken cool! It's literally a masterpiece, ur right.

[@plaidhatter1674]

I finally understand what the Lorax was saying in his bit. Greed is what keeps him going further down his rabbit hole. Pride is what blocks off the exit and won't let him stop. The best kind of villain is one where they are CLEARLY wrong, but you can see how they got there. Most people in business didn't start out as greedy and prideful as there now are. They were from humble beginnings and wanted to have a better life. However, once they GOT that better life, they didn't stop. The money was able to come very easy once they started doing things that were more questionable, and if they were told to stop, they wouldn't want to go back to the life they sought to improve. The line between enough and more is shattered. That is why large corporations and their shareholders are the way that they are. They probably started out as people who wanted to rise above, but fell below as nothing became enough.

[@Tractor5015]

"Why are you trying? This thing is for childern, come on dumb it down a bit" A producer probably

[@Rain_Sparrow]

Like dude I'm so angry this wasn't in the movie, I get that it has a message that corporations do know what they ate doing and that's shit and how bad can I be has opposite BUT COME ON

[@bazookaburnzgrease9576]

Wow this is just so….human…in a way that most don't like to ponder.

[@minespatch]

Unfortunately the execs rather stick to "hipster" than sage advice for quality.

[@bazookaburnzgrease9576]

It's sad that when I was a kid, we had songs like "Hellfire" and "In the dark of the night" in our movies but this is somehow too dark now.

[@GalaxiaStars]

+BazookaBurnz Grease It is ! It doesn't try to make any excuses for the Onceler. The song full on addresses the fact that he made a choice to keep indulging in this unhealthy form of consumerism. That it was a result of him just refusing to self reflect on his actions that led to the Truffula forest being nearly wiped out. And I love that.

[@bazookaburnzgrease9576]

@raffle baffle This comment is six years old damn bro.

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

God forbid we hold up a mirror to the audience and the executives

[@thewordywarlock7159]

This song wasn't cut because the kids "can't take" something so dark. It was cut because Illumination is exactly like the Onceler, and they didn't want their product to espouse views that cut against their bottom line.

[@paladinboyd1228]

TheWordyWarlock, Oh the irony.

[@alvarodoismil]

shake that bottom line

[@stormycd392]

TheWordyWarlock Oh yeah, their entire studio was built on the idea that they make animated features for the least amount possible. Like, not even exaggerating, the studio actually admits this, right?

[@discountchocolate4577]

@@stormycd392 Honestly when you mention that detail it becomes all the more evident that Illumination was the worst studio to adapt this into a feature-length film.

[@riantheglobular9957]

I mean it was actually due to tge change in direction of the film

[@jaydyaboi]

I’ve said it before, so I’ll say it again. This song could’ve played a huge part in corporacy as we knew it if they kept it. Biggering in every aspect is so perfect and I’ll tell you why. Every single line hit harder than stone, the rhythm, the theory, it was all just too good. The rather darker tone, the operatic rock dramatic theme and how it all falls together to all fit just perfectly to how a corporation could fall into a greedy fueled monstrosity and not only hurt their workers, theirselves, but even the environment which leads into a global issue. The scaling, the order, it’s truly perfect. It tells an entire story in itself. But you know what happened? “It’s ‘too dark’ and ‘isn’t what we envisioned into the story.’ “ Let me put this in perspective. You just threw away a chance for people all over the world to open their eyes and see the true damage and take a giant step forwards just by a singular SONG? I know this song fits none into the movie and is ‘too good for just an antagonist’ but if I were the director I would throw away the entire script and start from scratch to make it fit because this song, no, not song, masterpiece is truly worth opening your eyes to. I know that How Bad Can I Be still does a good job, it really is good at what it was supposed to, but this, it goes to a whole other level. I’ve said it before, so I’ll say it again. Every piece of this masterpiece goes together like a puzzle. The lines tell the story, gives the message, the rhythm and melodies, the theories, they all add to the story and the message on how quickly things can escalate and how pride can grow bigger than your company can, already being a huge problem in any corporation, to lead to any downfall of any company or corporation, smallest of small to biggest of big. But pride brings a friend with it, greed (which all of this is literally what is described in the song which makes it oh so much better) with all this, forms a destructive, insane, non sympathic, narcissistic, self aware yet ignorant monster to push everything to the limits for his own pride. You cant excuse this for being ‘dark’ or ‘not what you wanted’ you knew why you really didnt do this. Yes, it was partly because you thought it came a little too close to the truth of the onceler, not an innocent little guy forced by his family, but a true villian, a true monster, but because you were scared. You knew every part of this was too controversial and would truly make everyone wake up, so you shrugged it off and said, “nah, this isnt for us. Someone else can make a change, it’s just a movie!” Yeah, thats another flaw that everyone makes. “Someone else will!” Someone else will make a change, but guess what. Nobody will because they all said the same. Exact. Thing. So as long as someone doesn’t wake up and actually realize that they could be the person to change the entire world, it’ll never get better. It truly wont. And guess what. THATS THE MESSAGE. IT TELLS A STORY WITHOUT TELLING IT TO YOU IN WORDS. THATS THE EXACT MESSAGE OF THE LORAX. This song could’ve made history, but they were scared. They knew it’s power and were too scared to show it to the public eye because of pride and greed. They knew the children wouldnt understand and the parents would be too scared to show their children this which is why they turn it down. But the truth is, it would really open everyones eyes, which is why this song is truly a blessing but a curse at the same time because of pride and greed in corporacy. Ironic that the movie producers created an entire story just by turning down a song and turned into the one thing they sought to destroy. This is truly why Biggering isnt just a song. It could’ve been history. But they turned it down and turned themselves into the thing they wanted to rid of “because” of a “vision” and “not being fit for the little kids” which is very true, but because they were scared but that also leads to because they knew they wouldnt like it and corporations and controversy which leads to a loophole. This song could’ve been perfect but greed & pride exist. All I can say is wow. Just truly, wow. Truly, truly ironic Illumination & Universal. Thats the literal message the Lorax told you 😭 This song is so haunted because it was just too perfect. I feel bad for the composers of the song. Goodbye history I guess, now I wonder what other huge hit song is really gonna change history and do what this couldnt. (yes i did)

[@estela654]

if you knew that originally the movie was going in a good way until illumination put their silly ideas, if you listen to the other demos of the movie you will realize how much the producers and writers wanted to make faithful to the original book, they tried but unfortunately they did not succeed, according to one of the film's writers this song was removed because they said it was "too dark" when in fact it was because the corporation realized they were describing themselves not only was this song critical, the thneeville demo song is a criticism of consumerism and capitalism, originally the film was going to be darker, realistic and crude with a more direct message, the boy was not a simp he was a spoiled, greedy child who only wanted a tree for himself since he was selfish , the citizens were consumerists and materialists They tried it but they didn't make it because Illumination realized that they didn't need to try it because of the success of my favorite villain and more because of the Minions they just have to overexploit them and that's it, sad that the movie became mediocre because of the company and it's ironic, right? sorry for making a bible greetings

[@estela654]

and it is a demo and it sounds incredible can you imagine already finished and finished

[@emotirainboi]

you spent your time wisly

[@Mashedpotato789]

This song describes them

[@missdisappointment1617]

Well said! Seriously, If only Illumination could read your message, then maybe the Lorax movie would be completely different. It's such a shame that we won't see the Biggering song live. I really hope that if someone makes a new film adaptation of the Lorax, they will be able to add this song there and convey the original message to the audience.

[@themoon.isbeautiful]

Composers: yall really think this would scare the kids? Producer: kids? We already shit our pants

[@mimithetigress9630]

Biggerin' got cut because it was too realistic. The song portrayed the oncler as someone who KNEW what they were doing was wrong. They KNEW it would end up hurting someone/or something but they continued. They continued for their pride, greed and the money. (Biggerin' perfectly portrays that perfectly. Always go bigger.) They tried to make the oncler "relatable, just looking for his mothers love, he was tricked" all that. He is made so that he'll be "relateable" but then when he does all these evil things, we are made to feel that he does it as a human. But in Biggerin' it shows that he is fully aware of all that happens to all the things. But he still wants more. Even the Lorax has a voice. The lorax has a choice to talk to him, and he does. But he still won't listen. "Who cares if some things are dying?" He chooses to go bigger and he does. We don't see him as a human, we see him as a monster. The song really goes in depth on how corporations may do everything for the money. Ironically, Biggerin also got cut because they wanted a song kids would really enjoy, they claimed this song would get kids scared and they may lose money. It wasn't the kids who were scared, It was Illumination.

[@MusSupremeJAR03]

Practically Illumination created something that identified it, they felt stained, that's why they removed it, since adding it would be "ironic" on their part, and as always, they made it more childish to make it more likeable, sacrificing what Oncler really represents

[@iNexMarck]

@@MusSupremeJAR03 Hoo Lee Sheet what are you doing here bro, i knew you

[@MusSupremeJAR03]

@@iNexMarck Seriously? The truth is that so many things have happened that I no longer remember (I also speak Spanish by the way)

[@geggy310]

this song isn’t even scary in the slightest!

[@iNexMarck]

@@MusSupremeJAR03 Yo había comentado en uno de tus videos, te conocí en un grupo de KZbin cuando habían chats por ahí en el 2019, y también por una usuaria llamada ''Daniela Guiterrez''

[@timbledon32]

I love how the Once-ler's tone starts as soft-spoken and humane and becomes louder and more insensitive as the song progresses

[@functionatthejunction]

If you scream the lie it makes it harder to hear the truth.

[@niko5008]

@@functionatthejunction if you don't you can't be heard. It was a lost cause.

[@flandrescarlet506]

The song also gains more instrumentation and a choir later on, meaning the song itself is also biggering. This song is so wonderful and I'm so sad it didn't make it into the movie

[@lauracerqueiramachado8979]

And in the end as he sings “this is also gratifying!” he is basically yelling the last syllable and we can actually feel his satisfaction as he does so

[@Woahss71]

@@flandrescarlet506 all because illumination felt attacked by the song lol

[@Eireguy_]

Biggering is such a masterpiece, accurately displayed how greedy and monsterous companies and big cooperations are, and is generally and amazing villian song

[@yer-mum]

i could deadass write PARAGRAPHS about why they should have kept this and why they should have gone with the concept of the onceler being more villainous instead of silly tumblr sexyman edit: i did it. almost 1k words and an hour and a half worth of writing about why the this adaptation could have been so much better. i need to get a life. also wtf how is this song only a demo and this good? imagine if they finished it? like hello?

[@yer-mum]

screw it First of all, in the original Lorax movie and the Dr Suess book, the Onceler was faceless and far more villainous, always being depicted in a dark environment. By keeping him faceless, Suess created the idea that the Onceler could be anyone or anything. Human, metaphysical, monster, physical embodiment of corporations, you name it. The Onceler could be you. This ambiguity and villainy were meant to be unsettling and scary. Even more so, because of the idea that it could be *you* doing such horrible things. By altering the image of the Onceler in this adaptation, making him obviously human and giving him a face, Illumination took away the Onceler's original purpose-- which was to make you afraid of what *you* could be capable of. Seeing the Onceler in all his silly tumblr sexyman glory takes away any unsettling feelings, because now it's obvious he is someone else. He is not you. He is a silly tumblr sexyman. You aren't a silly tumblr sexyman. You can't do what he did. You would never do what he did. By separating you and the Onceler, or you and corporations, or you and who-knows-what, they are creating the idea that he is only one person, one company, one who-knows-what. So long as it's not you, it's fine. Just as long as you aren't the one at fault, it's fine. Because there's absolutely 0 potential for you to be the Onceler in this adaptation, the fear of what you can do or what you're doing is erased. The erasure of the fear aspect in the story is counterproductive. If the studio really wanted to convey the message of saving the environment, don't buy into massive environment-ruining corporations, don't *become* the environment-ruining corporation, they would have kept the Onceler a faceless, ambiguous, unsettling character. But no, it's for the kids and they're sensitive. I mean, I understand. The target audience is kids. In order for the change this world needs to happen, we need to make the kids understand. But, kids are *very* literal. You cannot sugarcoat the lesson taught in this story. They will not understand. If not sugarcoating it means scaring them a little bit, then so be it. This brings me to my main point, about this song in particular. Not only is this song an absolute fucking banger, it actually implies that the original idea for this movie actually had a more villainous Onceler than the one we were given. The whole point I made above about him not being faceless or ambiguous ruining a key part of the story can pretty much be forgiven by this implication. After all, if they keep his villainy, in a way, the importance of whether or not he is ambiguous can be debated, because giving him a face and body humanizes him and can make one realize that humans are the problem. But that isn't the focus right now. Replacing this with How Bad Can I Be? was easily the WORST decision Illumination made with this movie. How Bad Can I Be?, again, makes the movie too playful. It isn't serious enough. You have to really read into the lyrics of How Bad Can I Be? to get the point across. Even then, it's very sugarcoated. Especially considering the upbeat music they put over it, and the relatively silly animation that went with it. I'm not bashing it, it's not a bad song at all. But it was not the right song for the movie. Because again, the whole point of the Onceler was to unsettle the person watching/reading. This song sounds and is mildly unsettling. It would make the watching the movie realize just how fucked up the whole situation is. It would make a child understand how downright horrible the Onceler and what he's doing is. How Bad Can I Be? just will not have the same effect. It barely touches on half of the key points Biggering does, and when it does touch on the ideas, it does a horrible job of it. Biggering actually touches on the idea of greed and pride, and how it can blind someone, leading them to pushing the limits and finding out how much is too much at a devastating price. It illustrates the tunnel vision people have when they become passionate about something, for better or in this case, for worse. How Bad Can I Be? definitely touches on a big topic-- how the offending company or person will make excuse after excuse to justify their wrongdoing, but again, Biggering also does this AND it does it in a way that's evident from the first time you hear it. In order to understand that theme in How Bad Can I Be? you need to really read into it, because the song is so upbeat sounding it's hard to catch it. The music takes away from the lyrics. Speaking of lyrics, the lyrics in Biggering hold a much deeper meaning. I'm getting sick of typing this tbh and ik I'm rambling, so I'll make this quick. Just to provide an example, the lyric in Biggering "who cares if some THINGS are dying" vs "who cares if some TREES are dying" in How Bad Can I Be? is so much more meaningful. It implies that more than just trees are dying. Animals, trees, and people are dying because of the decisions made. But y'know, taking away that ambiguity again, just this time in a song would make Illumination look hypocritical and stupid, so it got scrapped. TL;DR: faceless Onceler was better because he was ambiguous and scary which was the original purpose of his character, and How Bad Can I Be? was a horrible replacement for Biggering because the meaning gets watered down and sugarcoated a lot in How Bad Can I Be? thanks for reading my adhd rant

[@duck-cc4qu]

@@yer-mum didnt as- ok.

[@yer-mum]

@@duck-cc4qu free speech, dude. if you don’t care for it, don’t acknowledge it. it’s here for those who are interested and also, i general, because i wanted to. i didn’t write it for you

[@SH4RP_CH3SEE]

@@duck-cc4qu nobody asked you to type that comment but ok…

[@duck-cc4qu]

@@yer-mum i was making a joke writing that because I didn't know what to write in response, but as a human I wanted to write something. I really think its interesting tbh, but ok

[@JustAPaperface]

Cut for being too anticoporate So Cut for being too accurate to the book

[@ratedr7845]

the former

[@wubbers662]

The point was to stop cutting down all the trees and take care instead of chopping everything down with subtly Former I also disagree with, because there are plenty of songs in moves by big companies that do this Probably for being too out of tune, not as catchy as How bad could I be (goofier, but still gets the message) or a mix

[@lynkingbetti]

@@wubbers662 you are the enemy.

[@wubbers662]

@@lynkingbetti I honestly couldn't care less which song got it, the status quo wouldn't change probably Biggering - Slightly better Lorax 2012 How Bad Can I Be? - Slightly worse Lorax 2012

[@lynkingbetti]

@@wubbers662 that is not the focus of what I said. Your point, and that is if I got it correctly, is that the song's and story's message is merely about not cutting trees. The original story clearly has a very anti-capitalist and anti-corporate message at it's heart, with the environmental focus used due to its urgent nature, with climate change and all of the problems associated with it. And it does change a little bit more than just how good the lorax as a movie is, this is a movie made for children with a massive reach due to it coming from illumination, passing on the anti-capitalist message on the most effective and direct way is one of the best ways to actually encourage critical thought in the youth and try to actually make a difference. But, exactly because it was made by illumination, the movie is boiled down in such a manner that it completely destroys the original's story , and I personally think it was very much intentional. But that can get very close to a conspiracy theory so I try to keep my head steady with that one

[@vincent207]

I wish we lived in the timeline where this movie was Illumination’s crowning achievement, and Biggering was up there with the most beloved villain songs.

[@Nic_2751]

It’s ok, at least we still have the song and it’s original vision, even if it means enjoying it in a vacuum…..

[@iexisted583]

a timeline where they actually chose passion over capitalism

[@lalaloopsyyay7828]

At least we live in the timeline where puss in boots the last wish exists , best animated movie I’ve ever seen

[@jasonchiu272]

​@@lalaloopsyyay7828 Though it would be better if this version of the Lorax existed alongside it.

[@estela654]

@@jasonchiu272 what are you talking about

[@Bandicoot_Productions69]

2:18 2:36 3:46 3:53 Honestly these frames scare me. The faces of Onceler and the Lorax are so dark and macabre revealing Onceler's frightening and monstrous look, while the Lorax's face is brutal and honest, keeping his eyes fixed with honesty and brutality looking directly at Onceler He doesn't get scared, sad or anything like that, he gets pretty rough because of Onceler's uncontrollable and never-ending corporate and greedy destructive actions.4:09 in this section Lorax really gets scared knowing that onceler will NEVER stop and the increasingly insane and scary and cruel situation of onceler 4:26 wow ok this frame is bizarre and scary it just shows how sadistic he is knowing that SOME THINGS are dying but he doesn't give a shit just caring about his fame glory power wealth and unbridled profits. throughout the storyboard, onceler has a high seriousness and apathy, showing no regret or remorse with what happens around him a real monster.

[@estrella-om7tu]

that's what the characters should have been, the lorax being firm and serious trying to stop the onceler with his words of pride and greed, while the onceler should have been the greedy and greedy man who knew what he was doing but never cared. What's more, he enjoyed what he was doing, appearing serious and apathetic without showing a trace of remorse with a song that demonstrated that, it's a shame we got the opposite.

[@Manuelslayor]

I think that the oncler was meant to be a much more nuanced vilian than many here make it out to be. His family, his closest people, dismised what he was doing and told him to go make something of himself, and so he went. He found a nice little place to settle. One day, he had the idea of knitting something out of the truffula trees. He did and was happy with the product, so he went to show it in town, but no one appreciated it. They did not appreciate his product, and to him, that meant that they did not appreciate what he was doing and, in turn, did not appreciate him. But that suddenly changed as they figured out how amazing his thneeds were. You see, normally greed has nothing to do with pride. Anyone can be greedy, prideful, or not. The Oncler is a bit different. His self-worth directly correlates to how people value what he is doing. He is proud of what he has become, proud of what people see him as, proud of his image. But he has to keep taking actions that please the people to uphold this image. That's why he is much more of a showman than a businessman. This is also reflected in the outfit. He is not greedy for money. He would not have built up thneedvile if he was. The people were already buying everything he threw out. He did not have to make them a brand new city. He was greedy for the approval of others. All other greed was a means to an end to fulfill his greed for approval and, in a sense, pride. You can see in the song when he uncovers the picture, how he hesitates. Then the lorax appears. A manifestation of his conscious, I would say. But he does not want to listen and is running away. We can see in the hallway how the shadow of the lorax is coming out of himself without the creature being there. It suggests that the lorax is really part of him and that it is his conscious. It is lecturing him about his problems, that he is joust meaninglesly trying to fulfill himself in a self-destructive way. The next part is him trying to reason away his consciousness. He seems ashamed of himself when he again sees the picture. He wants to give his hand to the lorax to his conscious, saying that what he is doing is not wrong, but it won't accept. He again seems to doubt what he is doing, but the people around him are chering. That's when it happens when he learns that It does not matter what some think of his actions when he should have learned that nearly everyone's opinion does not matter. He goes to pull the lever as his conscious watches in horror. This pull is a metaphor for his significant change. He is standing there as if he's saying "look the people are loving me, I'm the star, the main character, so who cares if some things are dying?" He certainly no longer does. The lorax and whit that his consciousness is gone. Don't come crying to me it will no longer change anything. He was blinded in the end by his pride. He never thought about sustainability he never looked outside of thneedvile. Only his workers did. He was aware that some things were dying, but not that everything was dying. The some in "who cares that some things are dying" implies that he is not at a point where he no longer cares if everything is dying. But in the end, he saw how the last tree was about to fall, and his conscious returned to his side. He suddenly realized the extent if what he had actually done in his pride induced stupor. But it was too late he could only watch now. He would have long diversified his business if it was about money and probably even begun to drive up prices to produce less and let it regenerate when the resource was getting scarce, but it was never about money. You see, the bosses of company's dont care about the resources because that not going to be a problem before they resign. And they could joust change to somewhere else to feed their greed if it was. Or sell the business and buy or start a new one. But anyone greedy in the onclers position would try his best to preserve the resource at least till he found a new market of equal value. The oncler can't joust change companies. There is not a single one that could pay him close to what he is making, which means that he can also not joust ignore the destruction of the resource if it was about money. It is certainly still a story about the consequences of unchecked resource use. As such, it's also about corporate greed, but I believe that the oncler was imagined as a more nuanced villain than joust bad greedy business owner. And of course, certainly not as the "uppps it seems that I deleted the forest" guy

[@deniella8753]

I totally agree with this and I love all of your reasons about the song,movie, and overall character development of the onceler and the other characters such as the people. Also, I really liked the idea/truth that the onceler is trying to uphold his own image rather than being that money hungry because of the city he built. All in all I think that the oncelers family negatively influenced him which ended him to where he was at the end of the movie, but great comment! 💖💖😊👍👍

[@estrella-om7tu]

Apparently they were going to give it more development and with more nuances, not like the type of "uppps it seems that I erased the forest" and that I didn't know what I was doing

[@SirLightsOut99]

Leave it to illumination to see what is basically a Pink Floyd song with Danny DeVito lecturing the main villain about his pride and rejecting it in favor of making the movie more consumer friendly. Nice going there.

[@ladyofrillwater]

THATS what this reminded me of... I watched a review of the Wall recently... I knew the tone was very old school rock ballad but didn't realize I was specifically remembering Pink Floyd.

[@spacegay9309]

I thought I was the only one who got Pink Floyd vibes. Dude I'm not crazy

[@Unkle_Genny]

I literally looked up John Powell - the composer - ‘s Wikipedia and did other searches wondering if he’s ever cited Pink Floyd as an influence on any of his music. Haven’t found anything, but considering he was born in 1963, he would have been anywhere from 10 to 16 years old during the height of Pink Floyd’s popularity, from 1973 (Dark Side of the Moon’s release, with songs on the album like “Time” and “Us and Them” having a similar rock + choir-like vocals sound to Biggering) to 1979 (The Wall’s release, an album which has a similar “epic rock” sound to Biggering). All of this to say that I think it’s potentially possible that he could’ve listened to Floyd during his lifetime and thus have had it influence his work on Biggering.

[@potatoes7u780]

this song sounds straight out of the wall

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

If Dr Seuss and Danny Elfman teamed up with Roger Waters lmao

[@christianboustani8284]

"But you can't blame Greed. No, that's stupid." I actually can't believe how good this is

[@mr.mirage3986]

Metal is dumb. All metal songs suck and I am not the only person to say that and I actually speak about people who don't like this song not saying that everybody hates it like You say that just beacause You like it, everybody does You are selfish.

[@mayaminuminati]

@@mr.mirage3986 Hol up I'm tryna find who asked

[@christianboustani8284]

@@mr.mirage3986 All I said is the song was good and now I'm selfish? Alright, dude. It must be wild to live in whatever fantasy world you're in.

[@luthient2605]

@@mr.mirage3986 ???????

[@dickydopy4638]

@@mr.mirage3986 what the hell are you on about?

[@WillScarlet16]

The writers of these songs appreciated and respected Seuss' language WAY more than the movie's scriptwriters.

[@realMoistNugget]

While simply having this song instead of "How Bad Can I Be?" wouldn't have fixed the film, listening to this does give a glimpse into an alternate universe where this movie was Illumination's Prince of Egypt. An incredibly powerful, artistic movie that can be as equally enjoyed by kids as adults. I wonder if this movie was made, would Illumination have made more thought-provoking and creative movies during the 2010's, becoming much more respected than they are now? One can only imagine...