MUSICIAN REACTS TO Biggering (Original Demo)

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[@viviennesong7586]

Greed is what makes you say "I want that thing." Pride is what makes you look at the consequences and say "Yeah, so?"

[@kittenmittons_]

underrated tbh

[@exoticcats6119]

Great comment

[@viviennesong7586]

@@exoticcats6119 Thank you!

[@animando7877]

I loved your point

[@vflowersimp]

i read "I want that thing." in millie from helluva boss’ voice- edit: fixed dumb mistake

[@dremckenna8570]

biggering goes way harder than necessary. greed comes from pride, because pride tells us we always deserve more than we already have - and "more" is worth anything we have to do to get it.

[@DavidTheHooman]

Thanks for making that connection, maybe pride itself isn't a bad thing BUT unchecked pride can result in worse outcomes for the induvial and the whole

[@BothOnce-lers]

WHAT DOES BIGGERING MEAN

[@NitroStart]

@@BothOnce-lers it means he’s growing the company or something like that

[@thebreadban]

@@BothOnce-lers the company is growing exponentially

[@therobloxiangang3218]

​@@BothOnce-lers bigger (verb)

[@nemasisdemarini8339]

I wouldn't say that the song is saying that pride is the root of greed, but rather, that it feeds off of greed. That once you really start to feed into greed, it becomes a matter of pride that you must maintain that feeding, to maintain that growth. Cause at that point, it's no longer about the little pet called greed, it's the fact that you think that you can keep it fed.

[@DavidTheHooman]

thanks for the insightful comment and it makes sense in that way too also thanks for being a subscriber!

[@saigecade5830]

Oh man, that's a really good perspective that I haven't seen yet when talking about greed and pride.

[@AlexDayz]

I find the Demo songs for the Lorax very interesting as it seems they would’ve been a lot more cutthroat about the message. In the Thneedville demo version (which I recommend you listen to as well) it’s clear the message is about consumerism and wants over needs. Humans only really need a few things like food, water, shelter, and oxygen to survive. That’s where greed and consumerism come in. We get more fancy cars or products to fit in but are never happy with it so what do we do? We consume more and more and more. That’s why the Once-ler insist he “needs” a bigger office, chair, hat, etc. He even hesitated on the “who cares if…some things are dying” line showing he knows what he’s doing is wrong but doesn’t care as long as he’s getting a bigger bank account. One of the reasons the original movie doesn’t really do this great is that the people of Thneedville do genuinely look happy. No one is suffering and no one is obsessing about having the newest thing. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[@dancingcarapace]

I’d add one more to your list of human needs. We also need *enrichment* something to fulfil us mentally. Now we don’t quite need everything Capitalism pushes at us, but there’s a reason one of the oldest human inventions is games. We have always sought mental invigoration.

[@odacova3319]

*Crowd starts to clap*

[@JustCallMeEmily]

I just listened to the Thneedville demo, and it really calls us out 😂 Like me with all my books and wanting more and more. I know I should be satisfied with what I already owned, but y'know, it's the worm that feeds on my greed.

[@layzerlovers]

*ted* talk

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

"Humans only really need a few things like food, water, shelter, and oxygen to survive." We need way more than that, community, sex, curiosity, god, self actualization... Just some big ones you missed. But of course you look at life like a complicated mechanism. That thinking is so self-evidently stupid.... Its why we have the issues we do with powerful groups abusing weak groups. You're complicit. The matrix creates the One. It teaches the One. And the One surrenders to it. You're the problem.

[@MissMarigold32]

I personally belive that pride and grew are connected the same way the lorax (the charicter the lorax) said they were, pride is a worm in greed. A parasite. Greed is the want to constantly take more than what you need. And pride is the worm keeping greed hungry, keeping us greedy. Pride makes us say "No I not greedy, how dare you!" Our egos keep us from seeing the problem we're making. That's my opinion anyways

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

I believe our egos don't keep us from seeing the damage but rather they make us put our own satisfaction above whatever we're harming in the process of obtaining it

[@c.jinuzuka8438]

It's really sad this song wasn't included in the movie. It would've definitely rose it to one of my favorite movies. The concept was deemed too targeted directly at corporations and made them feel all threatened. The replacement song "How bad can I possibly be" puts corporations in the view of a bumbling, forgetful person, that they just don't realize the widespread effect of their actions . But Biggering would've made citizens think, shining a true light on the actions of companies, that they knew exactly what they were doing and don't care about any consequences even when right in their faces. Corporate just couldn't let that happen. So it was cut, most saying it took too much screen time, and didn't fit the movie they wanted to create.

[@DavidTheHooman]

it couldn't fit the movie its 5 fu- never mind. It should have really been four minutes if they wanted to get all that in there hahaha

[@blackbird9421]

I too don't like the fact that they didn't include Biggering in the movie, but people tend to discredit "how bad can I be" too much. Agreed, musically it's just worse (at least fornmy taste) but the underlying theme of people justifying their actions to others and themselves by thinking "how bad can this be? I'm just following the rules of nature/economy/society" while doing growingly wrong and despicable acts is just as interesting as the pride-->greed-->biggering theme. The point where the lyrics change and he says "How bad can I possibly be? Let's see!" shows clearly just how twisted that self-justifying path can be and in the end it puts more blame on the Onceler than the Biggering song, because he even says out loud that deep down he knows he's doing horrible stuff, while in biggering it could look like he's just an unconscious prey to his insecurity, pride and greed, truly convinced that what he's doing is what it's best.

[@JDReC100]

thing is, "how bad can I be" almost didn't make it in either. seems the execs really didn't want any perceived fault, but in the end went with the one that was "less harsh". But as blackbird put it: "shows clearly just how twisted that self-justifying path can be and in the end it puts more blame on the Onceler ". Both songs are great in their own way and I'm glad we at least got one of them.

[@gazelle_diamond9768]

That is absolutely not the vibe I got from "How bad can I be". To me it just sounded like the Onceler simply started to not care about the consequences of his actions anymore.

[@teammommasammyNOTUPLOADING]

Honestly this is like my fav villain song ever

[@CaptainCFalcon]

You absolutely hit the nail on the head. This song was cut because of just HOW hard it targeted corporations. And this fucking *_terrified_* them. So of course it had to go. They'll tell you 20 different reasons why it was cut, but none of them are honest. And he has a point about the Greed feeding off of Pride. Greed is always there, lingering. It's always telling you that you can't be satisfied. But Pride is the primary *_enabler_* of that Greed. Greed wants more, but it never provides a reason, just an objective: get more, do more, be more. And then comes along Pride to ask yourself: _Why _*_NOT?_* _You _*_CAN_*_ be more, so why _*_shouldn't_*_ you?_ And much more often than not, you don't come up with a reason not to. Because it was rigged from the start.

[@ArtistUnfound]

Anyone else feel like Biggering is the kind of song that you can listen to on loop and once in a while when you actually pay attention to the lyrics you just have a random moment of realization that this is our reality, that this is the world we live in, even though you already knew that's what the song was about-? I dunno, I'm weird and think like this-

[@leeroyjenkins4456]

I looped the song for like 3 hours its that good

[@leeroyjenkins4456]

*5 hours i mean

[@rydergolde3169]

11 month old post but you reminded me the Chonny Jash cover of The Moss literally has lyrics like that "legend has it that we're all just doomed and we've ruined our society"

[@Lux_the_Lost]

I will absolutely LOATHE "How Bad Can I Be" forever because it was used over this absolute masterpiece. Seriously, what a letdown... It is EXTREMELY easy to blame greed for the Once-ler's actions, but the thing is that it didn't begin that way. At first it began as him just wanting to do something successful with his life - and he was remarkably good at it! But then, as time went on it became less about just doing something great that he loved and more and more about becoming as BIG as humanly possible. All the success, all the demand, all the praise; he ended up becoming so wrapped up in all of it that his own swelled pride literally would not allow him to stop. And the Lorax and all those animals he'd once made friends out of? After he became a huge success and his actions steadily became worse, he started totally disregarding the damage he was causing to all of them because in his mind, they no longer mattered. Who cared what they thought or what became of them - he saw himself as being above a pesky little crowd of naysayers because, well, he was... him. In his view he deserved and did whatever he pleased by virtue of his own self-worth. It was only when the last tree fell that all of that was suddenly stripped away from him and the massive tree that was his own ego had nothing to stand on that he finally realized where he'd erred, when it was already much, MUCH too late.

[@oshadow8325]

Both could been used, HBCIB could've been the prelude, naive to one's actions where biggering is the knowledge of it, and lack of any care or empathy.

[@TheSkizzler]

I like how bad can I be it’s catchy

[@JRicardoTorres3752]

This song alone was WAY darker than the rest of the movie, so they cut it and put the other song which was less dark, thoug that song almost get cut out too

[@cullenlatham2366]

I dont know the actual story of the development of the movie, but Biggering is a song who's implications anger me. Not at Biggering itself, but at what it implies the first draft of the movie was in comparison to the safe bubblegum pop we got. Biggering is TOO potent to fit in the movie we got, so of course it got cut. But take a moment to think about that a bit. The song got far enough along to be made, and for a musical movie, it makes sense that some of the first things to reach completion would be the villain song (which is what biggering clearly is), the "i want" song, and the finale- each one dictating a key element of the plot, and a way to guide the direction of the story not yet made. What we got in the movie was "how bad can i be", a song about willful ignorance to the damage you are causing framed in such a way to try and absolve blame instead of pointing it out. Is it even a villain song? id argue no. The movie adds to the absolving factor by framing the turning point from hero to villain as a wide eyed youth who is being manipulated. The ones doing the dirty deed are always sure to do it behind the "hero's" back, often times instructing him to turn around for true deniability (not just the plausible variant). In short, there is a stark difference between where the blame is placed. If my assertions up to this point are true, originally, the onceler was going to be a truly evil force, even if he did not start that way. he knew he was doing wrong by the time Biggering would play, but the way the song ends very much suggests it would have been placed in the exact same spot as how bad can i be- the point immediately after crossing the point of no return. There are no more resources to consume to feed his greed, and he can no longer deny his own wrongdoings with the wasteland staring back at him. So if the realization of his greed was the turning point that biggering presents, why did we instead get a story of an innocent dreamer? For biggering to exist, the script, at some point in development, MUST have been much more harsh in its tone towards capitalism. Maybe the original short story was just a tale of environmental conservation, the evil capitalism angle was subtlety hinted at with less "evil" and more "if our current path doesnt change"; it wouldnt be much of a stretch to add that plotpoint for the sake of the increased runtime. Maybe i could accept the fluff we got instead if it was harmless fluff, but it wasnt. Anyone remember the marketing that was everywhere for it? A story about environmental protection and a warning against unchecked greed became a cash cow sold out to the highest bidders to advertise with, filled with all the pop songs modern artists would pay to have included for exposure reasons. The movie became a hypocrite of its source material and could not be called a hypocrite for the clash between the way they handled the movie and its marketing (which was likely its funding method, though i have no proof of that), instead toning down the original work of art that Biggering implies once existed as a script into hypocritical fluff. Biggering is proof of what not only could have been, but what was almost certainly the original goal. The 180 degree change in tone is an insult to the audiences who DID buy into the legacy of the source material and the ads that were impossible to avoid (everything from car ads, to kids meal toys at fast food, to even lorax and dr. Seus themed meals everywhere).

[@estela654]

In the original script the movie was going to be cruder, darker and more realistic and faithful to the book, there are other songs that are demos of the movie that are 5, one of them told you that the onceler was not going to be good, he was going to be more greedy, Ted was not going to be a simp, he was a greedy child who only wanted a tree to show off to others, the citizens knew what was happening, they were conformists to the point that they saw it as normal, basically the plot was cruder and the message was more direct

[@cullenlatham2366]

@@estela654 I had heard of- but never listened to- said Ted's "i want" song, which only further boosted the idea of a cynical movie draft. Us normies will never know what said cynical draft would fully entail unless someone with heavy connections to the project leak it, so i left most of that cynicism to my own imagination. The point was more that Biggering is too good for the move we got, subtlety or no. A message can still be filled with subtlety and nuance, even if it is direct in its presentation. What Biggering suggests is exactly that: an obvious message with an artistic level of nuance. Compare that to the movie we did get, filled with mostly fluff and no character responsibility at all, with all conflict coming from a forced villain with no subtlety or nuance.

[@cookecountryballs7196]

​@@cullenlatham2366the song is thneedville(original demo)

[@orangeslash1667]

@@cullenlatham2366 the Story is that Chris Meledandri, worked with Dr. Seuss‘s widow to make Horton hears a who. The film was just successful enough for widow, to be interested in another one. When Chris became the head of illumination, Seuss widow asked illumination to make the Lorax thier next film . But unlike Horton, she would not be involved in the films production, big mistake!!!

[@maddiemorales1419]

Yea, there's a lot of hints to a more darker script. Not only with biggering or the thneedvile demo, but "this is the place (tricky version)" which kinda implied onceler was js an asshole from the very beginning and exploited not js the trees, but the animals for cash. That would've been PERFECT for a script with biggering. But, nah, illumination has no balls.

[@maxdon2001]

Great reaction! This song was so good, I am surprised that they cut it! I heard that they thought that it was too dark! I think that that in the context of the movie pride was linked with greed because the main character refused to listen to others that are wiser then him while he was high on his success! I recommend checking out "Better Then You" from Camp Camp (with the clip preferably), and Song of Raindrops from Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou (Also with the clip if possible)!

[@therandomnobody3407]

Pretty sure it was cut because a corporation making movies does t want to be called out in one of it's movies

[@maxdon2001]

@@therandomnobody3407 Haha, true!

[@huntercool2232]

That moment you realize a company cut out a song about corporate corruption because it was to real for them

[@HSG0824]

They didn’t put it in because it describes illumination

[@jpgartist110]

Pride is viewed as the original sin, it makes you see everything and say "I deserve to be bigger"

[@ryaniversen8653]

The sin that cause the devil to fall, God's once most trusted angel, is very insidious. "If you are better, why must you care about others who are so obviously lower?" Pride is dangerous as if left unchecked, it can cause your worst impulses to grow.

[@jpgartist110]

@@ryaniversen8653 honestly yea, I didn't think I'd get such a really well done comment from a post I made a year ago, good job

[@uralink3485]

I think the pride thing is because there's a point that you have so much you don't even care, but you're not trying to get your business bigger because you want more things, it's because you want to be the best company, you want your company to be better, more powerful and succesful than anyone else's, you want everyone and every other company to know that you are better than all of them. And that's the pure pride that is pushing you to keep biggering, to demonstrate to the world how good of a businessman you are.

[@Nic_2751]

I fucking love how Illumination played themselves

[@raindozer249]

I still can't understand why this song was cut it is literally a masterpiece and makes the movie's message 10000% better than "How bad can i be and the entire Lorax movie combined

[@crypt5129]

Because it critiques capitalism too hard and makes Illumination and other corporations look too bad

[@kimpedchenko6426]

They realized how it perfectly described them, so they put a stop to it. 💔

[@paperbagboi3185]

I recommend any song from the musical Hadestown: Chant 2, Epic 3 are specially amazing

[@melsy94]

Epic 3 is great, but it's also one of the big conclusions of the story. I think Way Down Hadestown is a good fun starting point (BRASS GANG) but I also love Any Way The Wind Blows (which was originally the first song in the musical, before Road to Hell was written)

[@The_Lord_of_Cryptids]

I'm personally partial to "Hey Little Songbird", "When the Chips are Down" and "His Kiss, the Riot" specifically the OCR for any songs without a Hermes solo, excepting "Way Down Hadestown" for which I still prefer the OCR

[@paperbagboi3185]

@@The_Lord_of_Cryptids _His Kiss, The Riot_ is just *chef’s kiss*

[@midnightwolf_13]

YESSSSS OMG I've been waiting for you to react to this song for forever!!! What a nice surprise to come home to 😊

[@eatenjaguarjaguareaten3367]

Gonna be a bit of a hot take but.... greed without pride is almost nothing, greed expresses itself through only being the acquirement of more resources. Whatever form they may take, which by itself is not too harmful. And can easily be reversed or thought around of, for instance collections of items whether it be rocks or action figures are acts of greed that are well accepted and thought of as reasonable and harmless. Greed can easily also be expressed as 'I like this thing, I wish to collect more of it'. But if you add pride to the mix, and it makes it much, much worse. Now I will say, pride much like greed can be harmless. Like an artist taking pride in their creation. But a mixture of pride and greed is almost never good, the only thing that can come to mind as a harmless act of it is taking pride in one's collection. But most of the time it ends like how it's displayed in The Lorax, pride in how much you have compared to others. Pride in making making more money than anyone else, pride in the ways you attain this wealth. No longer caring about those around you, no longer caring just so long as your Ego can be stroked at the end of the day by how much wealth you have. Hence greed by itself is the weakest of the seven sins, it must always rely on pride for any real power. Whereas greed takes the form of collecting things, pride takes the form of well... pride. Relishing in how much better you are than your peers, feeling like you are better than others for your mere existence. Pride is called 'the beginning of all sin' for a reason, it is the turning point from where a harmless acts like enjoying one's own creation, and how much others love it as well. Into what The Lorax depicts, despite all the Oncle-ler's greed... it is pride that started it all. And it is pride that drove him to keep biggering his company, making himself feel more and more powerful by merely having more money. And it is what drove him to keep repeating the cycle, until he had drained the world of every tree it had for him to take.

[@mendaxMultorum]

Its less that the root of greed is pride but more that greed may be inherent to humanity, but pride is a social construct. pride is what causes us to uphold our greed, greed is a feeling but pride is a driving motivation to feed into it rather than staying humble and content with what we have

[@matthewmcshane399]

Im so surpised and glad u reacted to this.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

The song and its attitude getting stripped from the movie is the ultimate act of corporate destruction of art I've ever seen. Literally the whole point of the movie is gone and hollow without it. Illumination has been artistically dead ever since they let that happen.

[@mayadargeon2172]

I love this song so much, honnestly.

[@tia7520]

There's a video by "the sin squad" called "the (cut) song that could have saved the onceler" which I watched a while ago and analyses the song and how it would have made the movie better and why it was cut. Because there's no way a corporation that makes movies is gonna let such an anti corporate message be in their movie. Its too bad you didn't watch the storyboard and instead watched the one with clips from the movie... Now I'm gonna go watch the storyboard again Also id love to see a reaction to "how bad can I be"

[@JittyRatchet4342]

They probably could had improvise, the song how bad can I be could be like the first song that he sings and the second one is biggering and nice vid

[@TDArulesclub4]

The comment should of said the fan made animatic of the song, not the animation, missed opportunity but great reaction as always!

[@nightmareeyes9419]

Pride in your achievements at some point become legitimation for greed in it’s basic manner , wish to have more , to do more , to control more to be praised more and such .

[@chimorin2656]

I David! I think you should listen to Gate Of Steiner - Main theme from steins gate! It’s a really good song following the theme of a time loop that is evident in the story, however, the song somehow presents this without the need for lyrics. Truly a masterpiece.

[@sandervandeneynden253]

Greed is the thing that wants us to get more, and pride the thing that justifies it to ourselves to ease our own mind.

[@riswald2723]

a greedy person wants the world, but a prideful person thinks they deserve the world

[@TFoxhound]

I want a live action lorax, maybe the message will be picked up then

[@alessandrosilvafilho8527]

Para que essa mensagem possa ser passada, ela precisaria estar em um filme independente. Em Hollywood dificilmente essas ideias são aceitas.

[@serenity_ren_bliss3566]

I never actually listened to this full song. I personally think I prefer “How bad can I be” but it’s still nice. Also, yknow the drill: Day 3 of asking: Can you please react to “Cause I’m a liar” and “Last words”? Both are vocaloid songs made about fictional characters. I do honestly prefer covers made because the robotic voice is hard to understand, but I adore how both songs capture the characters. Cause I’m a liar does perfect at apearing mysterious and chaotic. It has great wordplay that keeps you on your toes and perfectly captures, the mysterious, energetic, and mischeivious personality of the character Kokichi Ouma. Last words focus on the backstory of the god of freedom Venti from Genshin Impact. The lyrics perfectly represent how Venti and his friend longed for freedom. My favorite line is “A kingdom of isolation is as glorious as a prison” because it does well describing what Venti’s kingdom, Monsdtat (/mon-stat/) used to be and how the revolution felt when they finally found the courage to fight back. Also I saw an animatic made to it that was made amazingly

[@MortinTheGreatest]

I am once again coming to you to request TheFatRat. I would recommend hiding in the blue, Stronger, and Monody.

[@IcyUpNext]

Biggering hits different

[@goldenreflection2811]

Listening to the song, it definitely sounds like it was replaces or partnered with the song "how bad can I be" from The Lorax due to similar words at some points and whoever made the video used a number of scenes from that song.

[@ratedr7845]

No, it was straight up replaced, though some lyrics were reused

[@morganspider-manmarvelfan6110]

I liked the song they ended up using.

[@marmyeater]

Same, but this one is a bit better.

[@JazzTheLass]

it's not that the song is bad in its own right, it's just that it replaced a song that was way better in both music and lyrics

[@morganspider-manmarvelfan6110]

@@JazzTheLass Hmmmmmmm

[@conradcampbell6536]

Pride is the essence of sin itself, like the main root is Pride and all sin stems from that. You know the 7 sins and whatnot Greed, Envy, Pride, ect. So yes "The Worm" inside Greed is Pride because all sin is supposedly Pride in disguise. I'm sure if we switch the topic to another one of these emotions I guess I'll call them you'll know see it connects to Pride. Pride likes to hide as they say so it comes out as Wrath/Anger and whatnot as well as Envy and all that. Heart

[@roughbro]

This song was almost TOO good for the Lorax to release in the final cut. Would've honestly been out of place.

[@marcoaraiza9381]

Just tryna earn those units of currency

[@snompy7398]

YES!

[@Average_Anger_Issuies_Enjoyer]

If they added this song insted of "How bad can I be?" The movie will have increse the audiance score by 20% bc It show's the trasition of becoming a greedy person after you realize that you done an abomination, you regret what have you done and you have to chill

[@justaguy6216]

Shareholders are NOT regular people. The 1% own 53% of stocks, while the bottom 50% own 0.6%. So this "biggering" is helping no one but the ones who are already big.

[@GoatOfGaming666]

3:08 Chuck Berry, actually 🤓. But Angus Young did do it too

[@Alyrael]

Not necessarily a song about capitalism, as that's essentially just exchange of goods and services in exchange for money, this is a song about corporations and how growth is the only thing they seek, even if it costs everyone else everything. He doesn't speak about money, he speaks about getting more and larger things, which can be facilitated by money, but that's not the point of it. He just wants more.

[@Ghostguy693]

Ngl I would've recommended the storyboard lol (if you didn't know the video here was basically a fancut using the visuals of the song that replaced it in the final movie, How Bad Can I Be, which works well enough but I like the unique animation better)

[@delightlessnights468]

while i do agree biggering is better than how bad can i be, i think people trash on the final version too much, yes its not as good but its still decent and i would be lying if i said it aint catchy, and bigering would have been a little too dark, im glad some lyrics from the og made it in, i do think if they changed a few lyrics in the final version to be a little closer to the og, i guess something super dark wouldnt have fit very well with the rest athe soundtrack, i just think a few changes couldve been made tho

[@zoewee2312]

i think you might like i’ll be here from ordinary days. it’s really depressing

[@tvftw1]

This song went too hard to live

[@sharkboy3053]

You should react to either The Other side of Hollywood or You got nothing to lose from Julie and The Phantoms.

[@Nosimpping]

The song is the best

[@InspirationForTheHandicapped]

Actually, David. It's supposed to represent capitalistic greed.

[@alphabo2776]

Hello Your, a really cool guy! I think you should cover, Let it out from the guy who didn't like musicals, ladedada day from the guy who didn't like musicals, the plagues from the prince of Egypt, and feast or famine from black Friday, have a good day!

[@TerabyteInGeneral]

There was one day in the office where someone handed this to the director. He/She probably thought it was great, but then the whole team realized that this is Illumination, so making a song perfectly showing corporate greed wasn't going to fly. So they made HoW BaAaAaD CaN i Be?

[@victoriamitchell413]

That plus thing is glitching out

[@sunnythekitkat2651]

One big lyrical change between this and How Bad Can I Be is a line where in the latter, Onceler says "Who cares a few trees are dying" and in Biggering he says "Who cares if some things are dying". It makes it so much more clear that it's not just plants getting hurt here. It makes what the onceler does much more sinister and realistic.

[@Finn_the_Cat]

This song is sooooo gooooooood, that who cares if some things are dying with the lyric I don't wanna hear your crying, it screams the idea that he is not innocent in the damage caused he just chooses to ignore it in favor of profit

[@luckytrap897]

Its also the way he says, biggering is so much more impactful when he says it

[@Kingtron5464]

It’s the comparison of a small part of the lyrics Who cares if a FEW TREES vs Who cares if SOME THINGS (animals, trees, etc)

[@wildfire9280]

The consequences of the Onceler’s company are communicated much more effectively in the Thneedvile demo, same name as the song eventually produced. Though conceptually both are similar to each other, only one would necessitate a severely dilapidated background than the absolutely-perfect-but-plastic-greenery-even though-actual-perfectly-fertile-and not-at-all-poisoned-soil-underneath (ex?) company town we actually see.

[@MortinTheGreatest]

I am once again coming to you to request TheFatRat. I would recommend hiding in the blue, Stronger, and Monody.

[@blackbird9421]

I like the “the root of greed is pride” concept. I’m not convinced that it’s entirely true (I mean, I think greed has/can have other deep roots too) but it’s definitely something worth reflecting about

[@1sdani]

I think the core concept behind it is that greed makes you believe you want more, but it alone does little to counter other people's criticisms of what you have and what you want to have. Pride however does. It intrinsically ties your sense of self into your material belongings and convinces you that what you want is not only what you need, but what you deserve, and anyone who says otherwise hates you. The less you care about others compared to yourself, the more liable you are to falling prey to your own ambition.

[@Symbolic-Sky]

To quote Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood "Greed's not good but it isn't so bad either. Maybe you want women, maybe you want to rule the world or bring the dead back to life. These are all things normal people want and can never have." Greed (as in the character who says this is literally an embodiment of greed explaining to a human protagonist that his black and white view of the emotion is flawed. Greed is shown to be bad because you want things and shows how far people will go for the things they want but, Greed doesn't just apply to material possessions. It applies to friendships, money, respect, ambition and a desire to learn or improve. A common theme in FMAB is people being greedy yearning for knowledge of the universe. The main villain purges his sins from himself but when he's finally face to face with god it's his Greed that shows itself when he begs to know the answers to life and what he did wrong while trying to play God to which he is never given an answer. )

[@SerenityM16]

There’s a large school of thought that pride is the birth of all other sin, because there’s something within you justifying the sins and what you’re doing and why, a phrase I’ve been coining lately is “never underestimate humans ability to justify their own actions”

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

It's actually saying perpetual, unsustainable growth is caused by pride more than greed. Greed is a part of it, yes, but it only escalates endlessly due to pride. Greed on its own eventually satiates, reaching a point where the additional gains are not worth the effort required to get them. But pride will make that push anyway until it's all-encompassing.

[@davidc.]

I've often seen pride called the beginning of all Sins. I do think there is a level of truth to it

[@Sinsystems]

The interesting thing about this song is that if they included it they would have drastically improved the film, as it very much shows how greed can affect people. Notice how he never uses the word "Want" when referring to the stuff but the word "Need", as that is what happens. After a certain point they stop recognizing that their desires are wants and just see them as needs. Just like you really need to listen to the song below. Seriously it's great and I will continue to suggest it until you do so. Day 65: If there is a song that you must listen to, along with the accompanying animation, it has to be We are the Souls by ThePruld. If there is a song that can encompass an entire community it is that song.

[@Donut_Guy]

smooth transition

[@Sinsystems]

@@Donut_Guy After you request something for 65 videos straight you start getting practiced at it.

[@Symbolic-Sky]

It's more than that too. In the original Lorax he understood that the Onceler was doing what they believed was natural, and beneficial to his business which it was. In the book there was no influence from his family to put pressure on it was just the reality that successful business requires resources but, the way you manage those resources determines how you rie and fall and the impact you have not just on the environment but the people who build your company. I worked in a alcohol bottling plant for about a year we did everything in our power to recycle our boxes, use airpressure based machinery rather than electrical where we could and other things that helped us reduce energy but, all of those things we did to be better as a company did nothing to save us when we ended up in debt and they had to let people go myself being one of them. Point being it's a tricky conflict and the song addresses that Biggering isn't evil in of itself it's the carelessness and unwillingness to acknowledge the consqeuences of ones actions to a point that those consequences become completely invisible. In the end of the song he's gone so far that he doesn't care anymore of things are dying. This could be reflective not just of nature but of companies like in Japan that overwork and abuse labor to get more money because for them it saves money but for their employees it causes a number of issues.

[@Tm-dn9ob]

@@Symbolic-Sky The first song was slitely changed as well which the the impact for example ta the beginning it they change more than we need to all that we need.

[@applejayz1987]

Biggering: "this is the what, thats the why, if we dont fix it, were all gonna die" How Bad Can I Be: "it isnt my fault, i just didnt see, this couldnt possibly be because of me!"

[@ShadowSaberBaroxio]

Underrated comment, awesome rhyme.

[@Rainjojo]

Dr.Suess would love this comment

[@vanilladip]

How is this not the top comment

[@DreamyFlowerz]

It's too bad you didn't watch the animatic the comment recommended but I'm glad you listened to it! It's a great song!

[@klltx2001]

Yeah because frankly the storyboards do the song better justice as oppose to the video splicing the very lighthearted movie parts together (I personally prefer the storyboard that was inspired by the original, it feels very official and all :P)

[@Rainjojo]

@@klltx2001 the storyboard with biggering feels more official than the actual movie, dr.suess would agree

[@sealy1]

@@klltx2001yep

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

This was the song that would have been closer to what Dr. Seuss was going for in the book, and would’ve been a good contrast to How Bad Can I Be

[@zuko6049]

Because Dreamwotks (Creator of Shrek, Puss in Boots etc) made Bigggering, if Illumination used the song they probably would be copyrighted. And Biggering targets the real world and how companies do not care the consequences, children won't fully understand it like teens+ would, "How Bad Can I Be" targets children, they try and get the same outcome that biggering did, yet they made the once-ler ask the same question, "How bad can I be" and "How bad can this possibly be" instead of like biggering, him (once-ler) understanding how bad he is and how much greed is getting to him. I do agree that Biggering would be a much better song, yet because it (The Lorax movie) targets children, "How Bad can I be" is more catchy and still tries and get the point through. Biggering just speaks facts about the real world.

[@xe_zee]

​@@zuko6049 you think I can't understand that?

[@zuko6049]

@@xe_zee biggering is for big kids. How bad can I be is for young todlers.

[@xe_zee]

@@zuko6049 oh okay

[@nicholas7743]

I would actually say biggering is a lot farther off from dr. seuss' intentions than how bad can I be, although that song also betrays him. Do you actually know the theme of The Lorax?

[@corrinflakes9659]

It was cut because Illumination almost forgot they too are a corporation that really loves capitalism.

[@Avetho]

It was cut because Illumination realized they too went from Capitalist to Corporatist at some point. That turnover point is when a company realizes that they can't stay within the lines and the laws if they want to make more money, so they move from honest capitalist practices to lobbying and working to bend laws to squeeze more profits out, manipulating the government in essence which makes them corporatist, which is when corporations gain so much influence that they basically begin to control the government. For instance, in Cyberpunk, the corporations have created an entirely pure Corporatist society, where the corporations went so far that there isn't really a classical government anymore, because in that case the corporations have become their own government in totality, and that's why the entire world is such a hellhole in Cyberpunk.

[@yourmomscott]

I’m convinced that “How Bad Can I Be” is the story he told the kid and “Biggering” is what actually happened

[@lightingmcqueen522]

Yes

[@maddiemorales1419]

I love that

[@maddiemorales1419]

I think it could actually be even more than that, maybe he lied about his mom being the one to pressure him as well?

[@cohenparsons947]

Nah, he was realistically self reflecting and telling a cautionary tale. He would've told biggering, at the time he would've thought how bad can I be.

[@Night_Light9123]

He for sure softened some elements for the kid

[@palomaroggeri8680]

This is… unexpected. But really apriciated! Sad that you didn’t do the storyboard though.

[@blade7y156]

I still don't understand why he didn't... I mean that was a recommendation of the very comment that gave him the idea !

[@pug8714]

Could have been a permission thing or something

[@twist58]

Some songs were TOO good to be included in 2012 Lorax. Such a bummer this didn’t make the cut and “How Bad Can I Be?” did.

[@Symbolic-Sky]

More than likely it had to do with the tone of the film. Illumination doesn't typically make films with darker edges and this song wouldn't just talk about environementalism but, over all address real world work desperity in people as well. there are multiple lines that could be interpreted to talk about the way some companies abuse employees or bend the rules to get ahead of their competition. Something that their producers and sponsors probably wouldn't benefit from.

[@JDReC100]

“How Bad Can I Be?” was almost cut too... i kinda wish both were added to be honest, instead of just one.

[@Cryptid_in_the_Cellar]

@@JDReC100 yah biggering feels like a dark reprise of how bad can I be.

[@misteruncanny]

@@Cryptid_in_the_Cellar oh I would kill to have a little reprise of How Bad Can I Be but it's just Biggering

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@misteruncanny agreed I think both songs are good [ although I prefer bigger of course]

[@Gracejkay]

If we are listening to songs cut from movies 👀 I hope you’ll listen to Snuff out the light, sung by eartha Kitt, from emperors new groove (previously called “Kingdom of the sun”) Btw, great reactions as always!

[@melsy94]

Was looking for this! When it comes to cut songs from movies, Snuff Out The Light is probably my favourite (of course, gotta love villain songs)

[@GarouPlayzz]

Yeah

[@GarouPlayzz]

@@melsy94 it's now my top 2,because of biggering

[@devonm042690]

The connection between greed and pride is in that unchecked greed occurs at the point where the ones making all the money stop seeing their consumers as anything more than their bank accounts. The point at which the growth of the profit margin stops being for anything but its own sake. It's not just any pride being spoken of. It's the big, unchecked ego kind of pride. To lose that, or to admit that any practices were wrong, would be a blow to that ego that would be unacceptable to itself, and it's that overinflated ego that drives those kinds of decisions at that point.

[@DavidTheHooman]

Absolutely insightful comment

[@alcoment]

the producer: "alr i just finished biggering, took me a long time so i hope you like it" illumination: "this shit is a banger.. but.." the producer: "whats the problem" illumination: "it exactly describes us so we're not gonna put it in the movie"

[@BitesforNugget]

Yo, I saw the title and thumbnail and audibly went " *Y E S !!* " I love this song so much, it's such a good original and I do like "How Bad Can I Be?" but OH MY GOD BIGGERING DESERVES IT'S OWN LIKE- PRIZE OR SOMETHING.

[@bramijdema759]

One of my favourite changes is the Onceler saying “Who cares if some THINGS are dying?”. In this version he’s clearly aware of what he’s doing, and the consequences of his actions, but doesn’t give a damn. It’s the darkest version of the Onceler, even moreso then the original.

[@alainataul3367]

The storyboard of this song is perfection. You should definitely check it out.

[@Cixzag]

I know I'm really late but all the storyboards on yt are fanmade, the song was discarded before getting a storyboard, really sad

[@kitdoesstufflmao]

Finally glad that you're listening to this song that could've saved the movie!

[@heroawesome8495]

The hilarious part is that the onceler is actually a terrible businessman. By destroying the environment, he has destroyed his only form of income and his reputation at the same time. Would've made more sense if he had invested in growing more trees to make more thneed. Not only would that have built his supply of sellable items, but it also would've boosted his reputation by making him look like the nice, environmentalist, CEO.

[@alyssabullock6421]

This song is a masterpiece, I CANNOT believe they didn't choose to use it

[@Llqulfy]

I mean it really sucks they didn't but I obviously see why they wouldn't want to put a song in that actively critiques themselves and big companies in general

[@JRicardoTorres3752]

This movie was made for kids 10 or less years old, the rest of the movie is really childish including the other songs, first of, this songs was way to dark for this movie, it didn't fit, and second, kids that age don't care about this dark, complicadate things about capitalism, greed and pride, they just want a catchy song, so they used the other one

[@huntercool2232]

I like how in “How Bad Can I Be?” The Lorax is trying to save the trees, but in “Biggering” he’s trying to save the Onceler.

[@snakemurd3864]

my favorite line change that practically shows the reason this song was unreleased was the change of "who cares if some things are dying" to "who cares if a few trees are dying"? that little change changes the whole perspective of the Onceler. In the movie the Onceler is a naive kid who doesn't understand his actions believing it to be "a few trees" where the Onceler in THIS song KNOWS the consequences of his actions and actively chooses to ignore them. One of the last lines is literally "I don't want to hear your crying"...yeah...this song was...too real.

[@aboredhuman1022]

Here’s a fun little detail that almost all lyric sites leave out, at the end of the song the background singers are listening on different forms of currency (yen, dollars, euros, pounds, pesos, etc)

[@Gabi-dd7bq]

The Onceler biggers and the song does with him, he knows what he’s doing is bad but he simply doesn’t care, he’s not a “irresponsible idiot” but an active participant who knows what he’s doing. This song is the only thing Ilumination made that is 100% what the Lorax was intending for.

[@kohaneazusawa]

Oh my god thank u for making me remember how much I adore this song. The story behind the lorax movie’s creation and the potential banger of a movie it could’ve been has always been a fascinating topic to me and this song especially highlights that the writers did have a good grasp of the story they were supposed to write, only to be shut down by the higher ups for it “not being kid friendly” and have to create something that pales in comparison

[@EdJustEds]

Bruh if they made Lorax the musical, this better be in it. After all, musicals really don’t give a crap about it’s younger audience.

[@Hamantha]

Lorax’s bit on Pride fueling Greed is so raw

[@cancerianStargazer]

I love how the flow of the song also reflects the onclers arc, like it starts slow and simple and in the end there's all these instrumentals and vocals and its so gooooood

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

4:49 Well let's start with pride, pride can be summed up to an addiction to self gratification, self worth and the urge for acknowledgment and praise. And what else to fulfill this then having bigger, better, and more things to show off to gain such, which is where greed comes in. Now onto greed! Greed is the urge to have bigger, better, or more things... ...but why? For greed to be a thing you a reason for it and most of the time it comes to self fulfillment and the popularity and power from having such things, pride.

[@marmyeater]

Exactly. Also, lots of the deadly and archaic sins feed off of each other in interesting ways. The only ones that don't mix well are Melancholy and Pride. Melancholy is being depressed, unwilling to believe in forgiveness, and thinking things will never be better because no one is capable of or deserving of making it better, and Pride is seeing yourself as beyond such things, so they quite interestingly are the 2 sins that don't mix that well.

[@OBSDCC7]

What I like especially about the song is that it isn’t a “this ceo is inherently greedy, and thus, inherently evil”. It’s a very human depiction of corporate greed and corporate growth, as well.

[@marmyeater]

Cool, it's a great song. Glad you reacted. Edit: Should have done the storyboard though.

[@Mr.Yeast6000]

If this was actually included in the song it would single handedly become bigger than Puss in Boots the Last Wish is today

[@lizemore187]

I love that he said "who cares if something are dieing" unlike the one in the movie "who cares if so trees are dieing" if the trees are dieing we will die as well....

[@ViaAncharlie]

Best part about all this is they didn't add this song because it hit too close to the company, literally doing exactly what the song talks about. Killing off a masterpiece because it would hurt their image if it was in the movie.

[@Cryptid_in_the_Cellar]

I'm of the belief that BOTH biggering and How bad can I be should of been in the movie not just How bad can I be, biggering should of been a reprise and it's the answer to How bad can I be? The answer is he and really ANYONE can be VERY bad, that anyone can end up biggering and destroying things, man it makes me so mad because it would of made this one of my favorite movies ever.

[@kaylewolf]

Awesome isn't it? Its like a cry for help, I feel the power but I also feel sad at the same time Its beautiful in a way Sad they cut it out but I'm glad we can listen to it ^_^ thank you for the video, you and your reaction is awesome

[@hekate.13]

i guess this song was like...the outcry? because it really feels like something created with an idea behind it, not just the corporate order, relying on some catchy toons, like they did with How bad can I be? Biggering actually drags the whole point of the original story. I bet Dr.Seuss would have loved it, and be really disappointed with the final decision.

[@haleylutz3446]

I think that Greed's root being Pride makes a lot of sense. There are a lot of people, like the Oncler, who start out with good intentions with the simple ambition to succeed become these selfish greedy monsters because they feel like they are "owed" everything they get no matter who they're hurting. They face a lot of hardships and maybe even abuse before they became successful and all of that has to be worth something because if it doesn't pan out than what was the point of all that they endured?

[@coriander1521]

I absolutely loved this song and I have to say, this is probably one of the few cut songs out of the ones I’ve listened to in general that I truly believe should have been included in its movie.

[@лямбда]

Lyrics At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff, I had a little cottage, And that cottage was enough A place where I could sit and knit, A place where I could sell my Thneeds, But now I've had a little time To re-assess my needs And I need a bigger office, I need a bigger chair. A bigger desk, a bigger staff, A bigger hat to wear! Because I'm biggering, (Yes, biggering) I'm figuring I'm biggering, And biggering is triggering (Ooh) More biggering Hey, listen up, meathead. I'm going to say this once, and I'm not gonna repeat it. Greed... see, it's like a little pet, alright? And the more and more and more that you go and feed it, The more hungry it'll get! But... you know, you really can't blame greed Nah, that's stupid. You see, it's gotta worm inside. Oh yeah, that's right. It's one that always needs to feed, And it is never satisfied. You get it? But the more you try to find it, The more it likes to hide. Now listen - that is nasty little worm. And I like to call it "pride." See, now that's why you're biggering! (I'm biggering) Listen here, idiot! (I'm biggering!) I'm figuring on biggering! (I'm biggering!) But that biggering's just triggering more biggering! (I'm biggering!) [Got that? Alright!] There is a principle of nature, That most every creature knows, It's called survival of the fittest, And this is how it goes The animal that wins has got to Claw and bite and kick and punch. The animal that doesn't winds up someone else's lunch A company's an animal, That's trying to survive, (Survival) It's struggling, and fighting, (Fighting) Just to keep itself alive (Keep itself alive) (Once-ler and backup singers) I must keep biggering, (Biggering) I'm figuring I'm biggering, (Biggering) Though biggering is triggering more biggering. (Biggering) I won't stop! Biggering, I'm figuring I'm biggering, And biggering is triggering more biggering And the customers are buying, And the money multiplying And the PR people lying And the lawyers are denying, (Biggering) Who cares if some things are dying? (I won't stop biggering) I don't wanna hear your crying! (I won't stop biggering) This is all so gratifying!

[@neojay7522]

C.S Lewis wrote a book called "Mere Christianity." In it, he states that "Pride" is the cause of the other Sins, which makes sense because Lucifer, AKA, the Devil, fell from Grace and was banished to Hell because of his prideful nature. Because of that, "Pride" is oftened labeled as "The Original Sin."

[@imaran1303]

The thing is that the Onceler is right, a company is a animal that tries to survive. Caring for the environment is a entirely human concept, most animals don't care, the reason why they don't impact the environment as we do, is because the environment evolved to deal with it. Take any animal from it's native environment and put it somewhere else where they will not be outcompeted by other animals and you will see how they will keep expanding, keep becoming more and more. Locusts, ants, and many other animals don't care, they only care about expanding and furthering their colony or whatever groups of animals are called, pride, flock, whatever. Caring for the environment is a uniquely human thing.

[@davidc.]

That can be seen with invasive species all the time. The thing is that we have such a large influence we need to care or we'll be dead

[@imaran1303]

@@davidc. That is what I said, nature doesn't care about itself it is not natural to care for the environment, we as humans have evolved so far that we stand above the natural order, it is in our hands to be like all the other animals and devour, spread and reproduce and the environment... in time... will adapt to cull our numbers, when people go about saying 'We are killing the planet!' We aren't, Earth is a billions of years old space rock, we will die out before we can do any real lasting damage to such a celestial object, the worst we are doing is wrecking our living space for short-term gains, and the fact that we can consider this elevates us above normal animals still tied to the laws of nature.

[@shadowmandeathstroke8232]

We even have a few programs to pay people to kill animals that are too destructive to the environment. In Florida, you can kill iguanas (I believe it's a specific breed) and they'll pay you because otherwise the population gets out of control and destroys the whole ecosystem

[@victorvaldez8869]

On the subject of unused songs, have you heard "Snuff Out The Light," as performed by Erthra Kitt in the unused first version of The Emperor's New Groove? It was recorded before the script was changed & was originally Yzma's Villain song when the plot was a lot darker, literally as Yzma is conspiring with the God of death & the underworld Supay to snuff out the Sun. You can find a rough sketch of the scene & it reminds us all that it was a CRIME that Yzma didn't sing in the feature film, but at least she got some songs in in the video sequel & sequel TV show. "Snuff Out The Light" is a KILLER Afro-Cuban Jazz number, performed by one of the great singers of the 20th century.

[@rubaemaster7036]

This song was actually replaced by another one that’s also pretty good called “how bad can I be”. Maybe check that one out too so you’ll see what was actually in the movie. Dang, I remember this growing up. I also have to say, if I had a favorite song from the movie it would be “Let it Grow” so maybe check that one too.

[@paladincomics]

Pride gives birth to greed, because greed feeds pride, when you accomplish something it does wonders for your self esteem, you feel proud of yourself, so greed is the desire to gain more, accomplish more, have more, all so you can feel prouder of yourself, all so you can say "I did this", it's the desire to feed your pride that can make you greedy.