Wild DESPERATELY Needs Help

[@7UPDoge]

Seedlock with Infinite mana, health and draw. Feels like UI druidstone lol

[@solin21210]

you know whats sad - druid then was better than warlock is now lol

[@7UPDoge]

@solin21210 peak hearthstone. Ramp up, play UI after that, do whatever you win lol

[@PhukYu1]

It is... like just busted now beyond repair.

[@5afact0r63]

Real

[@iceygamingrulez]

Wild could literally be the best mode in the game if it got any common sense changes

[@KraylebStudios]

Isn't there a thing in Magic the Gathering where certain cards are slightly weaker/stronger depending on the game mode you play? It would be cool to see a Wild-only set of balance changes that dramatically nerfed or buffed cards but only in that format of the game

[@iceygamingrulez]

i don’t think mode specific changes are needed tbh, even if a card does get changed no one is upset because they get dust refunds

[@eisgnom7383]

You can say one good thing about badlands: it didn't give seedlock more tools

[@badusername321]

subscribed to your channel after this video and the one complaining about the current "deals" in the shop. you are very sane and a voice of reason

[@bwybwy5392]

Healthstone is so broken. It literally removes the only weakness of seedlock. Their low hp. Now they can generate a huge board, do turn 5/6 tamsin consistently, infinite damage, infinite draw and be at 30 hp while doing so. People used to run the XL version to have a better matchup against aggro and now they have 1 card to cover that weakness.

[@Squid-King]

THIS! I played against the deck a few days ago with Elemental Mage and I had to chew through around 80 hp because of healthstone alone. Literally couldn't answer the stone and just had to out damage them. Blizzard doesn't playtest anything, and we've been shown this time and time again. If they perma banned the seed, the class as a whole would be so much healthier for it.

[@bwybwy5392]

@Squid-King It's literally an amalgamation of insane tier cards cramped into a deck. Before seedlock received healthstone, some of them would throw their quest away during mulligan against an aggro opponent. Now seedlock can literally take aggro into the deep water and come out with full hp. The only counterplay to their 1 mana infinite draw is a 6 4/6 that does nothing. Not only that, you can run etc with another copy of that and now you have infinite draw again!

[@impkiller5932]

@@bwybwy5392 I think there is a minion that makes cards that didn't start in your deck cost more, he would make this mass production spell cost more, also there is razorscale the 3 mana 2\4 dragon that makes cards cost not less than 2, oh my yogg, Okami. you can place more than 10 cards I think in your deck to play around this spell.

[@Cup-of-kaif]

Darkbishop Benedict is such a horriblly desighned card. The shadow spell limitation being printed on such a crazy start of game effect (better the Baku and Genn and they were metadefining for half of the wild lifespan) is just so stupid. Like any spell for priest that is not specifically shadow is just dead in wild for priest, unless it's a part of some scam deck. A silgle card just crapping 70% of all spells a class has is such a huge desighn fail. How many times I wanted to run some priest spell but just couldn't because it's not worth it to cut Darkbishop for a couple of spells.

[@Emperorhirohito19272]

You know you can play the spells rather than Benedictus if you want, you have free will

[@Edge-xy3fv]

@@Emperorhirohito19272 yeah if you enjoy losing ig

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

​@@Emperorhirohito19272and have a shit deck no thanks

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

​@@Emperorhirohito19272 they can yes. Just like you can add Magma Rager to your deck.

[@Emperorhirohito19272]

@@Liliana_the_ghost_cat why would I do that?

[@Begeru]

Healthstone proves the devs just want Seedlock to be broken. There’s no reason for them to make that card for the Great Dark Beyond set.

[@antusThul]

Wild is still suffering from United in Stormind

[@angrydonut6797]

i honestly think neither the quest nor health stone are the problem, i think its mass production. like without mass production darkglare would just run out of gas and health store would be limited by what you have in hand. like before mass production was a thing you could even beat questlock with mill decks if you made them draw on your turn. might just be me being ignorant but i think if mass production was 2 mana (or banned in wild) the whole problem would go away?

[@Begeru]

The quest reward is the problem.

[@jorgennachtigall8474]

Interesting that I rarely see shadow priest, but lots of seed warlocks

[@mr.leybai3918]

I sincerely cannot believe they printed healthstone

[@newleafeva]

Someone needs to put a lock on those damn seeds!

[@Jerome...]

Seedlock didn't need help, that's for sure.

[@Erramstein]

I cannot believe that shadow priest went from a hyper aggro deck to a hyper aggro mid-range control deck... Wild is officially cooked.

[@penyu1913]

"YOU reach your peak"

[@wheelotime2581]

You might not believe it but before the patch even dk was a pretty decent anti aggro deck But now threads of despair is 3 mana and it loses to shadow priest again, too bad

[@badusername321]

that sucks

[@Василий-ю4з]

But in standard threads of despair was one of the most hated cards ever so i dont think it was a nad change

[@filipvadas7602]

I can see them reverting Threads after they rotate tbf. Still sucks tho

[@FatoftheHog]

I appreciate the shadow priest deck guide. Looks fun, I might have to finally try wild seriously.

[@patrickkwon3351]

Big shaman is also boring to play ayainst and extremely repetitive

[@fernandopaiz27]

Brother *you* said that healthstone wasn't good enough on card release too.

[@FlareIsGone]

My bad for forgetting you just have Infinite mana with actually no downside with it 😂

[@hollowlord8548]

No creator has any idea if a card is going to be good on release or not. They are just educated guesess. Many people assumed healthstone wasn't going to be worth it over other cards and they guessed wrong. It's just how it is.

[@elmokaartinen3854]

Have to mention because it kept bugging me; Chirurgeon is pronounced with a hard K (kī-ˈrər-jən).

[@Random-person-on-the-internet]

I know they didn’t intend for Wild to be very balanced, but this is frankly absurd. Wild is made to be the broken meta that allows anything and everything, while standard is the completely broken one. Though personally, I believe that they should actually balance wild, with some form of healthy meta, then the broken stuff goes to Casual.

[@nickshkliaev5889]

Shadow priest hopelessly loses to any control tech pile it’s just that there is no control tech piles because of seedlock.

[@1KingMajin]

I think Darkglare should be allowed to refresh up to 3 mana crystal per turn. That way it wont cheat mana

[@impkiller5932]

that way it would be worse than magma rager. why would anyone play it?

[@nannerpants7]

Unreal that healthstone was printed at ZERO mana

[@completenovicea599]

With the lion hunter nerfs big shaman is so strong. It could never beat lion hunter but now if it high rolls pretty much can’t lose.

[@theatrain8402]

I can’t believe shadow priest is such a big problem. I’ve climbed to diamond 4 and haven’t played against a single one

[@mousepoison1668]

As someone who plays Reno Druid in diamond 5, I can confirm flares statements, I can play an altered version that only has removal and ways to get theotar, and that deck does far far far better compared to my normally Reno Druid

[@Bladius_]

Yanno I was kinda sad they removed Hunter from wild, again, but then I realised literally all I play vs are Shadow Priests, Seedlock and DH. So maybe they've done me a favour.

[@frozenfairy2323]

I said this with the introduction of wild way back in the day. Sooner or later it will become an absolute shit show of cards that had no consideration of the ones that came before. Honestly at this point the only thing that'll really help wild is to just go the path of Yugioh and introduce a proper banlist.

[@Edge-xy3fv]

who would think a gamemode made to satisfy people who have played hearthstone since day 1 and have full collections would be a bad idea for design? lol, i second the wild banlist but it's gonna cause a big fuss if they do it.

[@filipvadas7602]

This sh!t is why I think Wild expansions (and by extension Twist) are a neccesary evil. Its basically a giant excuse to support/balance Wild as its own format. Something the mode DESPERATELY needs

[@PoconoProGamers]

I hit nearly 400 legend in NA wild using questline pally (rise to the occasion) recently and this is all I’m up against now. These decks you’re talking about are literally untouchable. I’m now in upper 2000s winning less than 25% of my games vs these damn decks. Not saying quest pally should be 100% winrate but I should at least be able to compete. Good video.

[@N12015]

I feel the solution for seedlock is make it so the damage is SHARED. That means seedlock is no longer winning after tamsim.

[@d-o.o-b]

Egg hunter actually had a positive matchup into these decks but it just had to be deleted I guess.

[@darkd7262]

Tf were they thinking when they made hearthstone. Thank fuck I am at bronze 8 and only play against funny decks

[@Nankeroo]

I really don't like modern Seedlock-... I much prefer the older version where you'd finish people off with Unlicensed Apothecary-... that was at least somewhat funny! (Plus, it made me craft 2 of them!)

[@justflyingbymedivac3161]

Bronze Highlander Warlock here. It actually fun with stupid 3000 dust decks or standard decks veing competitive with my stupid KELW Lock. But competitive decks are what's get you stars... Not fun, but my garbage tier decks fighting garbage tier decks is fun (sometimes). I even appreciate my stupidity of never getting legend, because I dropped HS 2 years ago to sometimes play BG and craft some cards for my Warlock. I would like to have full collection to play very fun decks, but if I wanted to expand my collection... Well, I understand SeedLock and ShadowPriest players

[@ilunfrost1006]

Problem is, even if they nerf these decks, two more will take their places. There's just too much degenerate mana cheat and minion cheat. As painful as it is, we can only accept what our beloved game has become. Team 5 made mistakes in Stormwind, though, fixed them, but never learned.

[@colbyallman]

Tamsin should cost 7

[@keyboardwarria]

should cost 10, even then it's still too powerful

[@colbyallman]

So the problem here is that high legend is difficult to compete in, yes? I see a large variety of decks at silver and pretty much all of my non-meta handmade decks are viable.

[@tommagfed8834]

They would lose money by making wild more fun and playable. People complaining about wild being broken when X or Y expansion comes out and broken combo exists for months actually still believe that Blizzard wants Wild to exist lol.

[@gGeezZusS]

They don't even help standard at this point, wild is lost

[@Fortnite-jimmy2010]

I was playing thief rouge and I beat seedlock, best feeling ever

[@PhukYu1]

SIMPLY MAKE FATIGUE LOCK ONLY DAMAGE MINIONS OR MAKE IT HEAL FACE ONLY INSTEAD OF DAMAGE OPPONENT DECK

[@rashidobaid3837]

darkglare isn't the problem or the mana cheat. The problem is they kill you after you deal with their board. Nerf giants, nerf darkglare, nerf everything wont change the outcome that it still can manage to find ways to make it broken wth the 300 warlock self damage cards. it's basically a wrong design that their trying to nerf unrelated things just like sonya/shadowstep in the past few years.

[@impkiller5932]

rogue lost all decks after they nerfed secret passage to cost only 1 mana more. I think they can hit 1-3 cards and seed warlock would be dead.

[@impkiller5932]

at least there isn't 1 million rogue decks in tier 1. It's not that bad.

[@boach1685]

I got lied to😭

[@mex_I.M]

you know i would change bishop condition to be 10 5+ cost cards instead. Not that broken kills the agro for a bit and gives me tools to play game as reno

[@aldroydf35]

Lowkey I crafted the togg druid because you mentioned it in your last video and out of 12 games, I drew Yrel in 4, 2 being in my mulligan, 3 I didn't have card draw at all, and in 5 of the games that I had an actual chance to win, they were all pain warlock Fuck modern card design, also I got Talgath of all things in my lvl 50 pass reward, i fucking hate this game

[@err0rc0degames]

United in Stormwind still causing problems

[@vdghj93]

Seed warlock is the most broken deck ever in the 10 years of HS

[@joachimmencke4804]

I just wish the didnt remove spell damage druid

[@YashaSkaven]

Bro the entire ladder system prioritizes monobuilds and thus stale formats - you're basically just asking for the entire way competitive hearthstone rank is calculated to be completely redone honestly

[@PhukYu1]

Look at the "speed" in turns too - like stop punishing control/tech.

[@JakubPekar-qc8wr]

about Darkglare, this cards used to be nerfed (rewoked), but it doesnt happend. And this is going since FoL, where we met last reworked card from wild (twig) and make it only umplayable. That is why this expansion was worst of all. I am not talking about other reworks due we need them since Rise of Shadows and DoD and many expansions more. (ye we get Caverns of Time, but ask about that )

[@caps830]

Blizzard killed egg hunter, and now we have big shaman being way more braindead, bravo small indie company

[@lucascanetelara4625]

You misspelled "playable" when talking about Big Shaman

[@stadiqk4940]

they should make a limited format. twist was horrible. rip ben brode

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

Hearthstone is truly one of the unplayable game of all time

[@michaeldeangelissssss]

Just make tamsin 7 mana

[@nmmeswey3584]

I'll take 'lost to seedlock and shadow priest three times in a row' for 200

[@1KingMajin]

Warlock should not have access to refresh mana crystal. I rather they make cards that force a warlock to destroy their own mana crystal for power. Like a new spell that's a cost 4 mana and says destroy all enemy minions, destroy a mana crystal for each one destroy.

[@maks_8902]

Quit the game a year ago because of darkseed warlock. Glad I haven't came back

[@miguelangelcanovasvazqez6140]

That is not the meta of Wild. The match making os Wild Hearthstone is Broken. I mean, the game matches are diceded at the start of the match. At 90%. With a good deck, enought skill and enought time, any one can became leyend, because de match making, made you lose, but that works in the other way too, making you win.

[@FlareIsGone]

you can hit legend with literally anything, thats not what was said in this video at all. What I said is shadow priest and seedlock are almost all you play against, and it's been like this for months. Now that other decks got nerfed it's fucking impossible to queue into almost anything else.

[@tiberazur3]

Too bad standard and battlegrounds arr their priorities. Then comes arena and then wild.

[@Jammapoika]

wish people played fun homebrew decks instead of super mega tryhard meta decks in like wild silver

[@eomer.17]

Just play standard lil bro. It's called "wild" for a reason.

[@FlareIsGone]

just play dogshit lil bro it's called "standard" for a reason

[@eomer.17]

@FlareIsGone nah bro u mad af 😭

[@rashidobaid3837]

@@eomer.17 play standard? the most boring format that you can ever try. Its just wild 2.0 but without the fun cards like hero cards/ reno cards, imagine playing a 2.0 combo format without the strong control decks being playable.

[@eomer.17]

@@rashidobaid3837 they literally made wild format back in the day so people could try wild broken combos. If you're gonna cry and complain about a card being a bit too broken, i have no advice to give you other than just play standard.

[@ktconell]

This dude sound like he didn’t play wild at all. Yes shadow priest and seedlock are both pretty flooded in wild. But say some random 112 pirate is strong is just hurt to watch. Pls play some games and then comment on it lil bro.

[@FlareIsGone]

Alright lil bro learn to speak when spoken too if you know literally nothing :sob:

[@ktconell]

@@FlareIsGone " speak when spoken" ain't no way bro 💀

[@abrvalg321]

To nerf seed lock just ban crystallizer.

[@PhukYu1]

You forgot the version that runs Sargeras/mill-=eat cards for lulz and yes I HATE this stupid deck along with turn 4 charge win druid