Pedders TrakRyder GVM Upgrade || Do YOU Need a GVM Upgrade? | Whats ACTUALLY Involved?

[@dawesville1615]

Look forward to your weigh bridge episode. We are waiting on our camper and have that whole exercise to do. 👍

[@shaungibbard6474]

Thanks Cam can't wait for the next one thinking of up grade my set-up

[@markpalmer5787]

Cheers Cam, a very informative video. You've answered a lot of questions already. Looking forward to the next episode... Cheers Mark....

[@traciesmith7436]

Had a Pedders GVM upgrade on our 200 series last month, drives great towed our 3.1t van 2500kms no issues, the price we paid included them taking it over the pits. Some advice if you have anything illegal like tint too dark you have to take it off as they don’t just check the suspension they go over the whole car, we had to take our tint off, but pedders were great.

[@WildTouring]

Good advice cheers!

[@traciesmith7436]

It has to go over the pits. Pedders have nothing to do with the tint. They fail it at the pits if you have anything illegal. Well here in WA they do, I don’t know about other states

[@Whiskey_Friday]

Awesome mate!! Been looking into a GVM upgrade on my ranger. Your vid has helped clear a couple of things up.

[@WildTouring]

Glad it helped!

[@downtheshedwithbyron]

Great video cam It was great to meet you and see the rig getting the upgrades Dirty thumbs up mate 👍

[@WildTouring]

Yeah likewise Byron!

[@JohnPettienne]

Well explained mate. I have a BT50 that I did the Lovell upgrade to. Well worth it. Cheers.

[@holgermuller2987]

Lucky Boy you! Congrats to get the ambassador status from them. Specially for the common vehicles not needing always the big gun‘s. Disc brakes on rear and new stoppers at front will make that Ute hole world different braking. Got a Pedders GVM upgrade kit too for my LC200 but couldn’t put to many kilometers on it in last 2 years due to Covid-19 restrictions for us being overseas. Will see later how it works or fails ? Well know where they are at home in MEL to help us out in case. Let’s see your next vid with all the Australian weights viz !!! Safe travel and cheers

[@PaulCoetserBalie]

Your dmax really looks nice! Nice to see no scrub bars, roofrack and sidesteps.

[@landcruiserv8vicadventrure627]

Good job mate. Getting my pedders gvm upgrade now 👌 and brake booster

[@snoordman04]

Great info mate! The D-max is looking very good as well. Cheers mate🤙

[@nicynu6202]

Remember to remove as much weight as possible before you go over the weigh bridge after getting a GVM upgrade as this will become your new Tare weight, the tare weight is used to calculate the rego cost in WA. I did not know this and had my fully loaded canopy/RTT on the D-max when I got a Pedders GVM upgrade. Once I took all the weight of the D-Max I had to get it weighed and inspected again.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah good advice mate cheers!!

[@willparlour76]

Totally fan boying out that I have the same shockies as you on me old surfie :-)

[@jemty9564]

Nice one mate.....Pedders been around for ever. I was using them for my HQ Holden V8 GTS springs and shocks in 1985. Me Being a aircraft Mechanic in RAAF we got a good discount. Saw the old HQ up n the hoist in the shop and they still looking after them. Longevity of a awesome product. Cheers from 2 west aussies in Saudi

[@Tom-lf8hx]

That camel 🤣🤣 watching some videos of other youtubers, mates etc gvm is a big thing to consider just like what fridge to keep the beers cold

[@WildTouring]

Yeah too right Tom. I reckon the majority of touring/towing rigs are overweight and people either don’t know or don’t care!

[@Tom-lf8hx]

@@WildTouring yeah spot on 👌

[@groovanxt2u817]

Looks and sounds good, Mate Looking at doing something similar to my Y62 1 note to remember for anyone is and to keep in the back in our minds is a GVM still doesn't change your GCM.

[@WildTouring]

Yeap bang on! Gonna explain that all in the vid where I use my weigh bridge cert as an example!

[@ronhughes1805]

Great video and explanation. Such relevant information for anyone who wants informed advice.

[@nath4x4moyle13]

Your truck looks so cool 😎

[@jasonfothergill1826]

Hey Cam, It's essential you cover off on GCM when you talk GVM upgrades! A GVM upgrade is a tradeoff with what a vehicle can legally tow. With your GVM now 3550, you can only legally tow a van weighing 2400kg. GCM 5950 - GVM 3550 = 2400kg. It's imperative your subscribers know this.... Keep up the good work👍

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Jason, Appreciate your angle. Like I said in the video, going to go into more detail on all the nitty gritty details soon! But to address your comment for the benefit of other subscribers, It all deserves a proper thorough explanation or people may not fully understand! For instance, this is the second comment on this video that implies a GVM upgrade reduces towing capacity - which is not entirely accurate. Simply fitting a GVM upgrade does not reduce tow capacity. Using my vehicle as reference -the tow capacity remains at 3500kg, and the GCM remains at 5950kg. I can still tow 3500kg, but to do so id have to reduce my payload to 2450kg. Same as a stock Dmax cannot tow 3500kg if its loaded to its max GVM of 2950kg. But again, with a reduction of payload to 2450kg it can. And then there's more to this equation that needs to be addressed such as; - The shift of ball weight from trailer to vehicle - Max axle loads

[@jasonfothergill1826]

Yeah, look forward to the video. I only comment due to the shear volume of travellers out there overweight. The more qualiy info regarding weight we can get out there the better👌

[@lukehutchinson6754]

I look forward to the episodes regarding weight. Thanks for your upfront delivery and congratulations on the ambassador for Pedders. I am envious of you being able to form some of the testing but it's well deserved. Cheers 🍻🍻

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Luke!

[@makeaustraliagreatagain4204]

That leaving your gear on the road if your over weight is true for trucks if the Heavies get you decide to weigh your truck , never heard of a 4x4 getting that treatment.

[@oldluxy]

Utes looking smicko 🤙 Is that a new bullbar ? Also that sweet little daihatsu on the hoist at pedders 🤩

[@WildTouring]

Haha the charade was a weapon hey 😂 Yeah new bullbar is a piak, much nicer fit and finish than the MCC

[@quikstop4347]

Nice one Wilds! When are you doing (😬) a Pedders upgrade on that dodgy tinny trailer of yours..? 🤣

[@krump743]

For anyone looking at a pedders gvm upgrade go to cockburn pedders in perth. They do everything for u. Drop the car off they fit it they do the paperwork they send it off to engineering they fit the plate they call u, u pick up the car and drive home. Super easy. I challenge any modern dual cab ute owner with a touring setup to show me they are under gvm lol, wont ever happen.

[@WildTouring]

That’s great they’re doing that all now! I had my original kit fit there.

[@shaneberry6465]

Looking to do the GVM+ for my Triton MR at Pedders, how long was the overall process?

[@krump743]

@@shaneberry6465 1 day. Dropped it off at 7am I think it was. Picked it up at lioe 430pm that same day. Drive in drive out nothing else left to do, but print a form off and stick it in my glove box.

[@timsorensen2085]

Would love to hit a weigh bridge but we don’t have any with in 400 kms but we are close with my guessing but have a fantastic suspension setup to handle it

[@eaglesnest1960]

From what I've read you need to get an engineers certificate after getting disc brakes conversion fitted do Pedders supply the certificate.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah you do in WA. My store supplied me with all the documentation to take it to a licensed inspector for engineering. Some stores may do the whole process for you, you’ll have to check with your local 👍🏼

[@eaglesnest1960]

@@WildTouring what was the cost and do you have to go to the RTA to get rego papers stamped

[@graememellor8319]

Another good video mate BUT ! You fail to mention the max axle loading which is often forgotten, this will and does lead to failures further along the drive train due to transferred loadings being excessive, GVM increase is all good and well but the bigger picture must be taken into account.... Plus the "Federal Government Approved" tag on the pedders ad doesn't hold much weight either, as all the states have different rules regarding modifications, some make it almost impossible to legally upgrade GVM without a formal engineering inspection and certification being done at a cost of thousands.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Graeme, I havnt forgotten to mention axle load ratings, like I said towards the end - I’ll do a seperate video where I weigh my car and van and use it as an example to define/explain relevance of Tare, GVM, GCM, max axle weight ratings, payload, tow ball weight, ATM and GTM. And as for the federal compliance of this kit. There’s always a lot of confusion around this topic, and I think I know why. If it’s fitted to a brand new vehicle pre rego it would get a compliance plate and can be registered in any state in the country without a mod plate or specific inspection of the upgrade. Post rego, like mine, it’s inspected locally (that’s the Formal engineering inspection I think you’re referring to, it’s less than $200 and takes half an hour on a pre approved kit like this) and is mod plated for registration in the state of inspection/registration. While it remains registered in that state, it’s legal (and covered by insurance) to load it right up to the new increased GVM and drive in any state. The only issue with a post rego upgrade is if i was to relocate to another state, or sell it interstate. It would have to be inspected and mod plated in that state for registration. The ‘federal compliance’ means it meets the requirements of every state, so it’s a bit more running around and another expense I guess, but it’s no real drama!

[@rodneyemmerich8828]

How can Pedders , or any other suspension supplier , legally increase the factory gvm without increasing/upgrading/re-engineering the vehicles axles , chassis and brakes? Does Pedders put in writing that all oem guarantees are still in place after a "gvm upgrade"?? 9:04 10:02

[@christhomas4260]

I agree. It's a joke. No upgrades

[@calamarininjabeast5866]

Did you mention upgrading the engine cooling system?

[@shaneberry6465]

Great video! how long did the overall process take post registration?

[@Sabumnim666]

Which Hilux variant model are you using in this example? I found this on the cars sales pages, The standard 1945kg kerb weight increases to 2253kg with the full-steel tray which weighs a hefty 308kg. Therefore, the standard 1105kg payload rating has to be reduced by the same amount to avoid exceeding the 3050kg GVM, which leaves a lower peak payload of 797kg.1 Jan 2021.

[@ralphrotondella4055]

Hey Cam, what Weigh bridge do you use, I am also in Perth.

[@WildTouring]

I’ve used the one in kewdale.

[@Wilbargosh]

Hi Cam, I know you have sold your Dmax. I have a Pedders GVM upgrade to 3.45t on my Isuzu Dmax. After 2.5yrs of 90% on road driving my shock absorber bushes are flogged, loose and require replacement. The rubber they use in the bushes is not suitable for longevity!

[@gambekapula3761]

Is this Pedders in Cannington? I got same set up mate and they doing my GVM upgrade as well !

[@WildTouring]

It is, they are really good to deal with 👍🏼

[@gambekapula3761]

Great info mate ,thanks for very helpful videos and adventures you shared 👍

[@kimyusof6780]

Hey mate does the the gvm upgrade increase all your axles ratings? Especially the rear axle. As im looking at the next gen everest and I don't think its rear axle rating will be enough for my family and my close to 3.2t van. Cheers

[@rexjohnson1722]

Does the GVM upgrade cover the manufacturers warranty with regards to their stated GVM and will you be covered by both the manufacturers warranty and will your insurance company cover you as well, if the chassis is bent, or the drive train fails due to overloading from the manufacturers specification, does the ADR cover your manufacturers warranty. Just playing the devils advocate, I'm not sure about these things, hope you can enlighten me on these issues. Kindest Regards.

[@kingwillbisthebest]

That camel though........ 🤣

[@KINGKit808]

Its bad form that vehicle manufacturers don't throw shocks and springs on at factory and sell them with the higher gvm, they would sell heaps more vehicles, thank gosh Pedders thought of it!

[@WildTouring]

I guess they’d be terrible to test drive unladen, but it would be nice if they had a factory option covered by new car warranty!

[@12v_obsession92]

Well they would if they could but they're not that foolish! Do you really think installing some bigger shocks and springs is going to magically increase the strength of your chassis, drive train, gear box, diffs, 4x4 transfer case, wheels, CVs, brakes etc..? Manufactures specifications are there for a reason. It's pretty simple, if you need a GVM upgrade you have bought the wrong vehicle.

[@KINGKit808]

@@12v_obsession92 Well done on not missing my sarcasm

[@colinross6259]

Hi Cam, ok vid but should have mentioned how upping the tow vehicle GVM reduces the Gross Combination Mass, GCM, or simply put the weight you can tow. Manufacturer puts a GCM limit on the vehicle. Let's say 6800kg all up. 3300kg for tow vehicle, 3500kg tow limit. Up tow vehicle 500kg to 3800kg, means legally, when at 3800kg, you can only tow 3000kg. Can get GCM upgrade, nowhere as easy as GVM and exxy. Also, if overweight and in an fatal accident, if cops can prove overweight, that means braking/handling performance was compromised and you could be up for culpable driving. Ignorance of overweight is no excuse in court. Tow company driver in Alice Springs told me of a cruiser and van ran off dirt track and hit a rock, buggering all the wheels on one side of car and van. Insurance co asked if he could weigh vehicles during recovery, yes. Weighed truck and car, weigh empty truck. Same again for van. Overweight, unroadworthy vehicle, no insurance for $140,000 worth of van and car. Bloke even had to pay own tow. Bit long, but GVM and GCM should taken very seriously,

[@WildTouring]

Gday Colin. Like I said in the video I’m going to do a seperate video on explaining what TARE GVM, payload, GCM, Axle load limits, ATM, GTM, tow ball weight is, and how they interrelate. Including but not limited to your comment regarding how tow capacity CAN decrease when GVM increases. This isn’t only applicable to GVM upgraded cars anyway. There is MANY vehicles that cannot tow their max stated tow capacity at factory GVM because of GCM limitations. For example from factory my Dmax has a GVM of 3t, 3.5t towing but only 6t GCM. Totally agree regarding liability of being overweight in the event of an accident. Which is why I’m posting these videos encouraging awareness of legalities and will demonstrate how to weight your rig and understand the weigh bridge certificate.

[@colinross6259]

@@WildTouring Hi Cam, totally agree, know your posting more vids about it, good on you for getting info/options out there. IMHO I thought you should have made a reference to how one affects the other.

[@jwoods6585]

Hay cam how's the pedder suspension holding up after awhile of giving it a test? I have a dmax coming and wondering what suspension to put on it Any help would be much appreciated Cheers

[@WildTouring]

Its brilliant gear. I've had Pedders suspension on the dmax for 5 or so years now, running close to GVM and GCM and it always performs really well.

[@neilbartlam791]

How do I get the link to the competition Cheers Neil

[@WildTouring]

There’s a link in the description under the video, but here it is again anyway, cheers Neil; www.letsgocaravanandcamping.com.au/xtremecamping/?

[@theboarhunter]

Why is it that after 4 months of searching, I haven't found anyone that would do a gvm upgrade on a Holden Colorado rg 2013 fitted with bilstein suspension. If anyone knows where I can go please tell

[@danriordan2668]

Do you know who does lvd t60 gvm upgrade please

[@WildTouring]

Nah i don't. But if you can't find an off the shelf kit, have a chat to your local suspension fitter about getting in contact with their automotive engineer (whoever signs off on the GVM upgrades). Its not unheard of to find an engineer that will mod plate you for a GVM upgrade without using a pre-approved kit.

[@4bnewb969]

Was that a set of parabolic leafs being fitted to the DMax ? Cheers

[@WildTouring]

Nah they’re just a conventional taper leaf pack. Don’t think they do parabolic!

[@rjl110919581]

like big boy Isuzu 300/75 crew cab in PEDDERS do work big truck

[@wanlidingding5304]

DOG very cute..How much?? 😀😀😂

[@bluefunkenator]

I have the same year DMAX LSM, still running stock suspension, but look like i have the same tyres (Falken 265/75 16s), which is around the max legal tyre size increase over stock you can get in WA. By my calculations, that leaves me with around 30mm for suspension lift. The question I have is the Pedders looks like it has lifted your DMAX some more - may I ask how much and is the total lift (tyres + susp.) of the vehicle still legal - did this come up in the inspections at all? Cheers.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah same tyre size I have. It looks a bit bigger now because it’s not fully laden yet. I had the same kit and size wheels last time and by the time it’s ran in and loaded up it’s gained less than 50mm overall at roof height. So I had no dramas with my inspection!

[@DG_Raceway]

I notice you don't have side steps/sliders Cam, is this a weight issue for you?

[@WildTouring]

I removed them because they were cheap crap (MCC) and they were rubbing in several places on the body. But I havnt bought new ones yet because I want to get over the weigh bridge first with the tinny on the roof, outboard on the back and new caravan Hitched on to see where I’m at! Same goes with a roof rack and scrub bars- not sure I’ll be able to run them anymore.

[@DG_Raceway]

@@WildTouring I have the MCC sliders, seem ok so far. Since removing the tub and fitting the aluminium tray and canopy I'm yet to get to a weighbridge. Interested to see your GVM with the boat etc on!

[@drewrichmond1440]

Does anyone know how the pedders dual cab gvm kits ride when they arent at gvm? My triton is about 2700 with me in it before chucking most the camping gear in and filling the 70l water tank. Has a stock gvm of 2910. Think id be about 50 to 100kgs over gvm when camping. Pedders do a 300kg upgrade for the MR triton but i use it as a daily and only go camping every 6-8 weeks. Dont really want a crap harsh ride when 90% of driving i do is on tarmac.

[@WildTouring]

Drew at the moment my canopy is empty. So other than a bullbar and a winch my vehicle is very close to stock weight. It’s my daily to and from work and it’s firm, but it’s not uncomfortable at all!

[@drewrichmond1440]

@@WildTouring thanks so much for the reply mate. Such a tough decision upgrading the suspension. Your car is looking soo bloody good with the new canopy!!

[@GerardHand]

I've got Pedders on the ute and the hybrid caravan.

[@robertj.b2494]

Need a GVM upgrade? Get a bigger car/ truck and keep your warranty

[@WildTouring]

I’ve had no problems with warranty claims, and Isuzu are one of the worst for honouring warranty! Other than 150k+ yank tanks or trucks, there’s not much else with more payload than a mid size dual cab Ute. Got to live within your means!

[@grahamwhittaker8844]

👁👁😊👍🇦🇺

[@steveberens9593]

That's not cheap for your average 4wd user when it's not free

[@WildTouring]

Neither is a denied insurance claim if you’re overweight. Like I said in the video, the GVM kit I had on the ute for the past 3 years I paid full retail price for.

[@OverlandTravellers]

Nothing free about this. Cam would have put thousands of combined hours into the channel and tens of thousands of his own dollars into it. Nothing about building KZbin channel is free, you pay in time and money. I reckon the cheapest, easiest and most convenient way to get gear is to save money, go to the dealer and buy it. Awesome video Cam we love the recent Pedders gear we got on the troopy!

[@krump743]

Mate the gvm upgrade costs literally a few hundred bucks more then a lift kit lol. Pedders is actually pretty cheap.... arb bp51 gvm upgrade nearly 7 grand.....

[@steveberens9593]

@@WildTouring love your content and followed you so some time. I got the answers i was looking for.

[@twofruitz]

An average 4wder won't need a GVM upgrade as they won't have spent tens of thousands on upgrades already.

[@christhomas4260]

Strange thing with these GVM upgrades is the GVM kit is the same as the non GVM kit but with a higer price.