Will 343's New Management Save Halo? - The Infinite Show 6

The Infinite Show, Episode 6.
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It has been a tumultuous few weeks for Halo and 343. Are the recent changes good for the game?
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:24 Roadmap
5:25 Management changes
12:04 The content
16:49 Mods
19:58 The history of 343
29:44 Will the new management be good?
37:26 The comeback?
49:19 Social features
54:22 Forge
59:00 Halo TV series season 2
#Halo #HaloMCC #Infiniteshow

[@basedsneedclave175]

One of my favourite things with mw2 beta was that people actually talked.

[@ShreddedNerd]

pure epic swag. Yes video coming soon.

[@SilverViper1000]

I liked the halo wars theme you used on the video. I was playing HW2 the past days and just recognised how much better HW1 was. Multiplayer and campaign wise. The Multiplayer is boron because every commander and unit feels the same. Explosion don't have much impact. The MAC feels so weak, especially compared to HW1. That MAC fehlt like a nuke. HW2 is style over substance, but without much style

[@chameleoncamo1554]

Can't wait for Yes vid babe xoxo

[@sillentgamer64]

The Eldewrito team was never brought on board to help with MCC on PC, 343 lied about that to soften up the backlash they were getting from the community for asking the team to stop development. The whole debacle did help convince 343 to push out MCC PC sooner though.

[@CommanderAkio]

ShreddedNerd is my copium. I just like listening to him talk about Halo, more so than even playing it at this point. I think I've found a weird new version of depression or something.

[@nagiaoe2434]

Hopium

[@RognarB]

watching your channel over the last two weeks gave me a newfound appreciation for Halo and I decided to replay the games as a result.

[@LaperLarden]

Laper Kwanden, checking in.

[@notjack2491]

Ross being gone is very reassuring. I'm just hoping O'Connor and Wolfkill eventually join the exodus too. A very uncompromising, unholy trinity.

[@Ggdyngtjfsdgvnjgf]

I was wondering if you could do a video explaining why the Scorpions controls are different from every other game with tanks in it.

[@gabethebabe3337]

Yeah it feels weird that they decided to make it handle like the CE version in Infinite. It doesn’t help that the campaign has so many trees and rocks that make it even harder to move. They really should have just made handle like 2-Reach so it would be less jarring going back and forth between games.

[@kyleb1958]

I despise how the Scorpions handle now in Infinite

[@alexanderrobins7497]

@@kyleb1958 I forgot Infinite had a scorpion. Didn’t use it the one time in the campaign to keep it alive, and I am not bothering with that barebones bland multiplayer.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

Thank you Shredded Nerd. Now I have something to listen too to stay awake today. Anyways to give my opinion. It really depends. If the dev culture is still focused on all the wrong aspects for halo (For example all the people that got hired because they hated halo back for halo 4) things wont change. As sure the person in charge of the bad decisions is now gone but that doesn't really stop devs from being unable to handle feedback and make changes that people ask for. Since I remember you did point out 343 didn't listen to pros for halo 5. But yeah unless the dev culture is good, Things wont change.

[@tropitropitropo]

Exactly. Some people think that all of 343's bad decisions were made by the big 3 at management, when in reality the lead devs and producers also had a hand in screwing up Halo. Just look at the September Halo livestream in which Sean Baron (Halo Infinite's live service lead developer) stated that Halo is and has always been a competitive game. That shows a big lack of understanding in the most basic and fundamental aspects about Halo's design. And he's not the only dev who thinks like that. There are even worse devs and producers who straight up just laugh at us and literally don't care about the franchise and its community. Unless 343's new management or Microsoft steps in and surgically removes 343's bad apples (which there are many), 343 will never make a good Halo game.

[@exilestudios9546]

Remember 343 doesn't have devs anymore they have contractors that work for 18 months then dip so they literally don't have a dev culture anymore of any kind which is why infinite feels passionless

[@tropitropitropo]

@@exilestudios9546 Lead devs and producers are consistent though. Plus, they actually have around 700 employees if you looked at their LinkedIn and Google. Contractors were just extra workers that they didn't have to treat as well as their own employees. So they do have dev culture.

[@armstronggaming8566]

While I'll beleive things when I see them, it's nice to hear people discuss the topic without going on to unreasonably long rants over issues. It creates a much less dividing tone in the video

[@FootedGhost]

FootedKwan reporting for duty 🤣

[@WastedPot]

You can't convince me that Msoft was actually gonna scrap Halo. One of their most successful franchises at the time. I'm referencing the tale told by Bonnie and Phil that Halo was going on the shelf until Bonnie convinced him otherwise. I wish people would stop affording Bonnie this credit - as if Msoft wasn't just going to reboot it without her. I think she was the worst thing to happen to Halo after Bungie ditching it. Edit: ah yes when dubstep was big, incinerating a weed field listening to Bun Dem. The good old days.

[@KRawatXP2003]

I died in first 10 seconds.

[@Lb8068]

Whoa WHAT is that map in the footage? Love the halo ce aesthetic

[@CommanderSammer]

Footed Ghost pronounced it correctly! Hint-zee It's pronounced with a short i sound, and a long e sound

[@FootedGhost]

You were the one who told me the proper pronunciation, so thanks once again :)

[@CommanderSammer]

@@FootedGhost haha no problem man!

[@saibot1246]

Something i don't understand is why people say Halo is a social game in MCC custom games i only see 3-4 people talking in my 253 hours it isn't more Xbox live of the 360 that made most the social part in Halo ?

[@GamingOrphan]

Can agree to a certain extent, but it’s the modernization that game developers are doing now which made everyone accustomed to not being social, which is not pregame lobbies no post game lobbies, only interactions if any are in match. There’s no emphasis on giving more social options. Nobody is trying to do anything different to change the social aspect or improve it

[@zeliph]

I don't like how 343i made modern Halo (4 through Infinite) is trying to appeal to Zoomer fast paced movement junk. I always thought Halo's movement and gunplay was supposed to be a methodical gun dance (Halo 3 nailed it specifically)

[@Ashamedofmypast]

Might be a bit of a stretch to feel responsible for the comp comment backlash haha. Its been part of discussion in the forums since bungie days. Still a funny thought haha. But both the issues where major elements of the halo 5 discourse.

[@8instantramen]

I was waiting for this

[@Kirtahl]

this was a great one

[@TifffanyTaylor]

If shredded nerd is actually shredded, with takes and opinions this good. My god man what an actual omni-chad.

[@Halofan-ey3ul]

Let’s gooooo infinite show 6!!

[@theblobconsumes4859]

A Homeworld style Halo Wars game would be awesome.

[@BevinEG]

That was gold. I'm glad he kept it in.

[@b0xE_]

Can you make a video about SBMM cause I would love to see a in depth look at it and how it evolved over the years or just matchmaking in general IDK. 🤷

[@richardbeard9391]

hell yeah

[@tuckersbaby]

I think I can occasionally hear the copium tank leaking in the background

[@tomfoolery5844]

It’s pure marketing. Management isn’t even being fired they’re just re-shuffling. It’s been discerned that they’re likely working on the next Halo title already. What’s the point of continuous support for Infinite? To fix Infinite 4 years post launch like MCC for the remaining 5 thousand players? I still don’t have any expectations for Infinite. I don’t care how much content they pump out for the game, they will never get that many people to consider playing ever again. For over 10 years 343 has done nothing but destroy Microsoft’s flagship franchise. Microsoft may have made money from Infinite, but it’s nothing compared to the money they would’ve made, had the game been completed, and had those players stuck around. 343 is still at the helm; the next decade of Halo will be not be different. No good will come of it. If anything, this gives us insight into the workings at Microsoft. There’s reports that Bonnie Ross and Bobby Kotick are going to occupy spots on the board at Microsoft as recompense for all the great work they’ve done with their respective companies. To cope now is to completely disregard the last decade and anything we might’ve learned from it.

[@lolilikedragons3528]

Source or your full of crap

[@tomfoolery5844]

@@lolilikedragons3528 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2Kxi4GbbJabgqs I believe it, but it is speculation. I don’t really like SeanW, but he has legit sources and he made a pretty good video on what I’m talking about. There’s a lot of precedent for large companies re-shuffling and moving upper management around. Obviously the Activision deal hasn’t gone through yet, but this is what I think will happen afterwards. Either Bonnie gets a spot at Activision or Microsoft. Same for Bobby.

[@SilverViper1000]

To be honest. I love the dmr. I also liked the bloom of halo reach back then. Today I might feel different, but back then to me it was one of the best blooms in that time. It gave the dmr its perfect spot as mid to long range weapon. The br in infinite for example is a closed combat to sniper weapon. It is unbeaten by any other weapon. The whole weapon sandbox of infinite is just broken. The only weapons to use are AR (it is way to precise on any range), pistol (same as the AR) and the BR. Those 3 weapons are always used because they are viable on any range. While other weapons like mangler and disrupted have a very specific use case. If you look back to older halo games, every weapon had a use case and not much beyond. Plasma weapons have beaten the shields easily. And projectile weapons were good against health. Try this in infinite. If you use pulse rifle and BR against AR, you might be dead before you depleted the enemy shields.

[@orion3253]

Holy cow, it's so weird hearing grown men talk about Halo and video game development in a sane, informed, conversation. Good video.

[@clintparsons3989]

As an aging millennial, it’s hard to keep u with all of these new words 😂

[@faithkerns1626]

yall need to stop the MCC apologia, its not fixed at all. Halo 2 is unplayable co op because of crashing.

[@stormer9952]

The sandbox is rough, Sidekick remains the best pistol and the Commando will become obsolete.

[@pvoccsurfshacktitosson4362]

I'm extremely disappointed that 343 chose to make the banished basically the covenant. (Now this might sound silly, but if you imagine the purple and orange vanishing, it completely changes this statement) Not even making them red (for the most part). People often say "well you can't distinguish the ranks" but when was the last time anyone, even hardcore "gamers" ever payed attention to the ranks of enemies. Heck, why not make them red silver (actual banished colors) but give every rank a different armor. For example: every rank of unggoy/grunts could have a different methane pack or mask, and or helmet. Also, I hate that they got inspiration from halo reach. Reach is my favorite game, but why is the unsc and banished preferring more classic armor as favorable and cool, rather than using new or modern armor that would actually benefit and protect them more. Like why does master chief not have his halo 4 armor. Like of they were going to change it, atleast make it pay somewhat Homage to the halo 4/5 style, or at the very least make a completely new Armor, different from any armor he's ever had. For God sake, why does Halsey care more about John looking cool or "relatable" in his new classic-styled hipster armor. People often say halo 4's bring or lame, but I think that's kinda mass hysteria caused by big youtubers at the time. Halo 4 was good. It wasn't great, wasn't bad, it was good. Halo 5 was completely different, but failed (the majority). I believe that had 343 dissected or used halo 4's formula, I strongly think 343 could've won us over with infinite. Also this is just a personal opinion, but I think the dmr was 10 times better than the br. Dmr taking up less firing time, where was the br only does a certain amount of damage, and due to it being suppressed, you have to correctly get each shot right or you'll either be dead or just wasting tons of ammo.

[@gtrblackhawk]

The more and more time passes with radio silence from 343i it just shows how much of a mess this game is for them. I just wish they would honestly come out and address all the rumors and such if it’s true man the f up as a company and say yes we lied to all you fans but instead we get disappointment after disappointment and having to just assume things are going better at 343i I highly highly doubt things will change even with a change in leadership. Look at the last ten years and tell me there not a entire issue beyond management going on at 343i

[@exilestudios9546]

Short answer no long answer hell no

[@maritimesteak8540]

My initial honest thoughts: fuck no but they will improve it but whether or not they alone can save it I doubt we will need far more change imo.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

Too much bad blood. I get a dirty feeling even touching a 343 Incompetencies product. Even MCC lacks the passion of the original games if you pay enough attention.

[@animateacumen9396]

I would point out that online gaming is an extension of the internet. You play online, you should expect assholes in every lobby.

[@GainingDespair]

I was hoping #NotitChief was going to be a thing

[@Mothware]

I still don't believe Ross 'saved' Halo, there is no way Microsoft would have completely stopped making new titles, at the very least spinoffs; Halo was the face of Xbox and a big moneymaker. She more than likely just convinced execs to invest in a new studio, that would be dedicated to solely producing Halo. Was it a good idea to create 343? I think so, it was a logical financial decision for Microsoft, problem is the new studio was run poorly. Not placing blame for the failure completely on her, but I also don't think she saved the franchise from getting tossed away.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

Halo going into a long hiatus would have been preferable to becoming a zombified franchise like The Simpsons, Aliens, Fortnite, and Star Wars. Instead of getting excited about a Halo announcement and/or product, I am filled with dread and agony. The Halo franchise cannot return to its glory days with so much bad blood and mediocre products.

[@caramelldansen2204]

16:50 please stop ;-;

[@cole8834]

people seriously underestimate how much more human effort is required to create content for each successive "gaming generation" It's not like content can be AI generated for something as complex as a video game. It's just a sobering and kind of disappointing reality; the little kid in us thinks that "more tech=more better" but actually it means some humans somewhere have to put even more effort into the extra detail which modern technology can now handle. Consider how simple the maps in Halo 2 were. Literally; think of how simple they were. Not nearly as much time and effort would have to go into a Halo 2 map vs a map now. The actual polygon count in the greyboxed maps probably didnt increase very much in the final product lol. Compare that to now. It's insane how everyone bitched about "purple pit" because it was purple. Like... what? Basically only indie devs that realize the customer is NOT always right, and are not beholden to soulless executives, have the room to actually create great games nowadays. My last aside is this: People as a whole have no idea how game design ACTUALLY works; the best*** example of public ignorance is the pervasive idea that devs should listen to "pro players' " input more than other people's. Asinine.

[@MDrWAS]

"this forced 50/50 winrate matchmaking alienated ppl in long term": there is me, not queing Arena in WoW anymore bcs of this system. and espacially in WoW its more lik 80/20 winrate bcs of the Booster.

[@EthanTheDinoNerd]

We hit rock bottom many times. The only way to go is up. 343 have proven you Halo fans before and say no we must go deeper.

[@DaRealAnti]

no

[@MeMyselfAndKgore]

Quan ha is the personification of everything wrong with 343

[@waterh2o299]

NO

[@vaniellys]

I want a 10 years long Halo game... But not Infinite. Maybe the changes at 343i's leadership will lead to significant changes, but I stopped having hope.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

Fire Frankie #Fire343

[@rokkumanex2293]

Lol

[@starplatinum2743]

Plain and simple, no.

[@sofaking1627]

I'll never forget sitting with my friends during the Xbox One reveal and all of us thinking that the golden age was surely over. We were right.

[@isaaclai1636]

343 is rotten to the core, it cannot be saved. Just get rid of everyone and make everything post 3 non-canon.

[@saibot1246]

Yeah so lose support for MCC and digsite who bring cut content form Bungie games

[@BossXygman]

Like in the timeline or in order of release date

[@MasterJazz09]

Comparing halo 2 maps to this now is the stupidest thing ever god gamers don’t know shit about development

[@MyOldNameWasTaken]

Why not compare them? Infinite had a much bigger budget, bigger team, and a longer commitment from Microsoft since they claimed it would be the launchpad for halo for the next 10 years. Add to that that infinite was built off of Halo 3s engine so there was no huge scramble to make something from almost scratch like Halo 2. AND infinites entire goal was to be a LIVE SERVICE with constant content updates from the very conception. If anything. It would be UNFAIR to halo 2 to be compared with the massive cost and scope of infinite and yet Halo 2 is practically better in every way if you look at it as what you get for the money

[@MasterJazz09]

@@MyOldNameWasTaken nope you don’t understand engines and how much more complex infinite is and that’s just how gamers are they don’t understand anything just complain they don’t got their toy

[@bluespidergaming7719]

@@MasterJazz09 infinite may yes be more complex than halo 3 but its not exactly harder to create a map for a game do u thing it was easier making or developing halo 3 with windows fucking xp when that was new

[@MasterJazz09]

@@bluespidergaming7719 lol you don’t know shit you arnt a developer and you don’t make games again just crying you don’t have your toy. we done here

[@gtrblackhawk]

@@MasterJazz09 interesting 🧐 so what you’re saying is that because the game is so “complex” they can’t even add things that have become standards in Halo from the start. Seems to me and pretty much everyone else that 343i failed here. Make the excuse that the engine is complex but there’s plenty of left overs from Halo 5 in this trash bin.