Will history repeat itself? Former Labour leader Lord Kinnock predicts the next election

[@j.johnson3520]

Excellent.

[@bakedbean37]

Dear Glenys. So sad.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Absolutely. Well said and good to see someone with compassion.

[@andrewrose7800]

Seem to recall Lord Kinnock, ex EU Commissioner was anti EU and House of Lords. Every one is entitled to a change of view...

[@happychappy7115]

Loved listening to Kinnock back in the 80s lambasting the Tories. Shame that not enough listened - the country is now a basketcase.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Well said. Truth.

[@johnturnef133]

Fortunately the voters were to intelligent to elect him, Welsh windbag was his preferred title.

[@maxhobby1701]

My life with golden handshakes from the EU You mean he and his wife and son made a fortune toeing the EU LINE

[@peterbeer8657]

Lord Kinnock is the man!

[@dixonpinfold2582]

... who couldn't beat a Tory in nine years as opposition leader. Not Lady Thatcher, nor even Sir John Major.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

...he did quite well as a speechwriter for Joe Biden, though.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

@Clydesider711 Thanks for your reply.

[@johnturnef133]

For what ?

[@peterbeer8657]

@@johnturnef1338 months later I forgot why. Watch the video and figure it out.

[@swift_learn]

A millionaire living In London Tories and labour are no different.

[@stephenholmes1036]

All 4 parties Con, Lab, green & LD all establishment, All out for themselves and despise us.

[@krisburgess2857]

So true mate

[@stephenholmes1036]

Correct their sadly now all tne same all 4 parties all middle class , all establishment all privately despise the working class. Only 2% of MPs have ever done a blue collar job all are now graduates and precious few have ever done real jobs.

[@benjamineckford1718]

Kinnock is the only politician I hear consistently talk intelligently on any issue. One of the best prime ministers we never had

[@johnturnef133]

That’s all he did, Welsh windbag sums him up, perfectly.

[@Da1Dez]

"We're alright!.... WE'RE ALRIGHT!..... WE'RE ALLLLLRIIGHHHT!!!

[@eightiesmusic1984]

@@Da1Dez Is that your best?

[@jacobtodd1622]

I don't think he was ever Prime Minister. He was Leader of the Opposition - Labour Party.

[@David-lb4te]

Kinnock has spent a life trying to paint history differently - the 1992 Sheffield 'show' was carefully orchestrated to promote him as a Presidential world leader. He arrived by helicopter - WHICH WAS TELEVISED LIVE AND BEAMED INTO THE HALL. It wasn't a surreptitious arrival. All the shadow cabinet were marched to the Royal Box under floodlights. He did say "we're alright" not 'well alright'. The Sun newspaper finally pulled the plug on Kinnock with their timely headline; thank god.

[@adampowell5376]

I will make a prediction that will surprise many people. I think the next election will be a Labour landsclide larger than 1997. Johnson said that he got Brexit done. That soundbite cannot be undone in spite of most British seeing Brexit as a disaster.

[@Aco747lyte]

Yes, I agree it could well go that way.

[@williamgannaway8183]

13 years, they've been in charge. They've caused this mess beyond any doubt, increasingly so since 2019. Also, austerity has been proved to have caused over 300,000 unnecessary and preventable deaths. The Tories were, are, and always will be self-serving entities.

[@Truerealism747]

@@williamgannaway8183 yes in order to cut the population down for themselves the worst thing is people have let it happen

[@liamb8644]

No, the 2028 or 2029 election will be like that because 2024 will be like 1992 unfortunately

[@Truerealism747]

@@liamb8644 no one's in more than three terms

[@johnturnef133]

Total failure as a politician, jumped on the EU gravy train and him and his son morphed into millionaires,overnight.

[@davimurph]

That's the same Times Radio with shows hosted by Baroness Davidson, Lord Vaizey and Hugo Rifkind? I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they're ignoring the Conservative party?

[@BradleyWilliams-vu4us]

Please, not him in any office, he was a buffoon

[@zapre2284]

It's the year all of our main parties get boycotted, and people go for indepents and smaller parties. Have you not paid any attention to the country since 2020?

[@thesuncollective1475]

Kinnock was robbed...(his stance on nuclear arms didn't help tho!)

[@briandelaney9710]

He gave that up too

[@auldflyer]

Neil Kinnock, the best thing he ever did was to fall over in the surf at Brighton and give the embarrassing "V" sign to the tabloid press photographers present at the organised photo shoot of him and Glynns having a "family moment" which gave the whole of the UK a good laugh. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJmbnKeEqM6YZqs&ab_channel=mistermucky17 His latest escapade was backing the call for a Grand Prix Racing Circuit at Ebbw Vale (in South Wales) that, like the Brighton photo shoot ended in a fiasco with the Welsh Labour controlled Assembly having to right off £millions of lost grant money to the developers who went bust. Another "millionaire socialist" he and his wife along with son Stephen have lived off politics for over fifty years. In the 1975 referendum on Britain's membership of the European Communities, Kinnock campaigned for Britain to leave the Common Market, yet after 25 years at Westminster he was glad to be appointed as as European Commisioner at a salary averaging £250,000 p.a. In 2005 he was elevated to the peerage as "Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty" still riding on the £gravy train and no doubt still raking it in giving after dinner speeches at the Local Miners Institutes in South Wales & elsewhere....E&OE.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Ludicrous comment. I would hazard a guess that you do not do much reading or thinking about politics. Right wing media does not count, by the way. Sorry. Did you expect Kinnock or anyone to work for free? Most people will accept the best remuneration available and do not set their salary anyway. Think about it- dust off the old mental cobwebs. It is the equivalent of a brisk walk. Assuming you are not suggesting that no-one ever changes their mind or position on something, there is nothing unreasonable in Kinnock's evolution on Europe. Many people in the Labour Party and wider movement travelled the same road. You may have noticed that Labour changed its position on Europe decades ago. I disagree with Kinnock on some issues but he was a serious politician no matter what his detractors claim. Reading your comment one last time, I am struck by how juvenile it is. It would just about pass muster below the line in the Daily Mail but a few spelling errors would improve it given that most of its readers are thick.

[@Albert-Arthur-Wison225]

I always thought that Neil was a redhead of the type that my old Mum is,..she’s as old as he is, and s t i l l hasn’t a grey hair on her head, and gets enraged when people refer to hair dye, etc.

[@andrewrose7800]

Keir Starmer, "a very honest guy" really? Neil Kinnock: show me a good loser, I'll show you a loser. Can't remember when he ever won a point against Margaret Thatcher.

[@bernardtaggart835]

Also John M ajor who betrayed his wife and country

[@johnturnef133]

Should be my life on THE GRAVY TRAIN, done nothing his whole life.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Nonsense. Justify it if you can ( spoiler alert- you cannot).

[@briandelaney9710]

Like Roy Jenkins

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

I think turnout will be low. Labour will win - but probably not on the scale of the 1997 Blair victory. Also - despite the unpopularity of Thatcher and the Poll Tax - I don't think Kinnock could of beaten Thatcher - had it been John Smith, then yes.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Not sure your comment can be taken seriously when you do not know that the sentence should say ' could have' not 'could of'.

[@dlamiss]

Labour would have won in 92 had Margaret Thatcher still been Prime Minister. The irony was winning in 92 cost the Tories the next three elections as well as failing to gat a majority in 2010

[@kingKong-fd7wm]

Kinnock is an admire of Mao

[@johnwright9372]

When he was much younger and before the world knew what a monster he was.

[@briandelaney9710]

@@johnwright9372like the Stalinists of the 1930’s?

[@AlGorithm-n6q]

Kinnock is the epitome of champagne socialist.

[@ULHIS]

All socialists are. Don't fool yourself into believing any differently.

[@richardcole9558]

Milked the EU cow for all it was worth along with the rest of the clan …

[@rohitballal5654]

Lord Kinnock served his country with distinction.

[@stephenholmes1036]

​@@rohitballal5654 and himself

[@stephenholmes1036]

Spot on Richard

[@rohitballal5654]

@@stephenholmes1036So you at least admit Lord Kinnock served his country with distinction. This is a good start.

[@neworleans75]

Unlike Farage? At least Kinnick worked in Brussels

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

Still generating narcolepsy with 200 word sentences.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

Perfectly intelligible. If you cannot understand that is your problem.

[@rodpeacock4078]

Remember Kinnock wanted to abolish the House of Lords, yet, he couldn’t wait to join - hypocrite

[@briandelaney9710]

That’s why I admire Benn and Michael Foot. They had no truck with “Lord this and Lord that “

[@markbrewster7528]

🥱🥱🥱😴😴😴

[@schmules101]

Trans ally king

[@IbnBahtuta]

Whenever I see Neil Kinnock on KZbin, I search for, "Neil Kinnock, falling endlessly into the sea" and watch that instead. 🤣

[@Saul_Ferguson]

Neil Kinnock was a beautiful older mother in 1984 and him getting his rear end all wet is literally one of the entire points of existence. It is fairly funny as well, tho.

[@MrSimonw58]

Is he the guy supporting the yorkshire miners ?

[@timcomley5948]

Time must fly by in your world

[@IbnBahtuta]

@@timcomley5948 Hi Tim, I hope this is important as I was busy doing nothing and I'd like to get straight back. 🤣

[@___UN]

Bet you watch Mrs. Brown's boys too

[@johnwhyte7834]

Sell out brought us Tony blair

[@briandelaney9710]

Tony Benn was right “here is a man who gave up every thing he believed in only to find people couldn’t believe a word he said “

[@wilsonfisk6626]

Spot on! Dennis Skinner also said something similar when John Smith became leader. Smith was credible whereas Kinnock wasn'tm

[@johanps4893]

As opposed to Tony Benn, whom everyone took at his word but whose views almost nobody supported?

[@wilsonfisk6626]

​@@johanps4893 Nobody? Corbyn, Dennis Skinner, George Galloway, Michael Foot, Margaret Beckett

[@Fort976]

@@wilsonfisk6626 By 'almost nobody', I was making obvious reference to his lack of support amongst the public at large, not his being backed by a handful of party colleagues.

[@wilsonfisk6626]

@Fort976 So Kinnock had support from the public? He lost 2 elections.

[@alexandradane3672]

Good grief ………..is he STILL talking ? Talking his usual long winded , convoluted gibberish ? If so, he certainly has stamina - I lack the stamina to listen .

[@timcomley5948]

Go away then

[@gio-oz8gf]

Then it's a good thing for you that you're not forced to listen. More fool you for wasting your time. It is unclear to me why you think putting your opinion in writing is important.

[@gabrielcotton4353]

Meanwhile, here you are, being that scornful vile creature on online having the absolute temerity - the cynical gall - to criticize a man who did more positives for the UK than you and your indolence ever will

[@06colkurtz]

It is interesting that Times keeps putting the labor party and the strikers on and is basically silent about the conservatives. The conservatives are trying to save the country. The leftists want to give it away.

[@nickd.6365]

"The conservatives are trying to save the country"? 😂🤣 They're totally focussed on salvaging themselves.

[@vandibox]

You are the reason why everything is rotting

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Old Labour saw the threat of open borders Globalisation way before the centre Right. It is international finance that's driving open borders Globalisation. Think about why they haven't conserved anything of traditional England. They work for international finance and The City of London.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Both ConLab let the central Bankers mass money print + sanctions on Russia = high inflation

[@emm_arr]

"The conservatives are trying to save the country." From the Conservatives?

[@tyronebiggums8660]

I like Neil, but he has a thousand excuses for his political failures

[@67Parsifal]

Don’t agree. He doesn’t make excuses.

[@tyronebiggums8660]

@@67Parsifal Yes he does. In the 1980s and 1990s he blamed the Labour Party’s election defeats on the media, rather than accept some personal responsibility. In this video he came up with excuses for why he didn’t resign as Labour leader before the 1992 election.

[@67Parsifal]

@@tyronebiggums8660 Labour would probably have been in a stronger position to win in 1992 had John Smith led the party. Kinnock was an over-familiar figure by that point and had already lost one election; but, having done so much work to improve the party’s standing with the electorate, he probably felt that he might as well finish the job and Labour is incredibly bad at regicide. The right time to change leaders would have been shortly after John Major became PM.

[@tyronebiggums8660]

@@67Parsifal It seems like you agree that Kinnock should have resigned and I certainly think John Smith was the superior candidate. Kinnock should have been more like Michael Howard after the 2005 election, when he accepted personal responsibility for the election defeat and resigned even though he gained 33 seats for the Tories (whereas Kinnock gained 20 seats in 1987)

[@67Parsifal]

@@tyronebiggums8660 although I voted for him (twice), Kinnock never convinced me as a PM in waiting. Had he resigned in 1987, his work within the party would have been incomplete and his successor would’ve been one of several lacklustre or over-familiar candidates (John Smith didn’t begin to make waves with the general public until 1988). From 1989 to 1990, the Tories were behind in the polls, often quite significantly, and that obviously strengthened Kinnock’s position and a Labour leadership race would have distracted attention from Tory woes. I think he would’ve been wise to go around the New Years of 1991, during John Major’s honeymoon period, which would’ve stolen some of Major’s thunder. But a leadership contest so close to a GE might have allowed scope for Labour’s infighting to flare up again, in public. So, I can understand why Kinnock stayed, even though the election result was a very personal rejection of him.