Will it Flex?? What Does the Bugout Weigh w/aftermarket scales??

[@bonesjones1658]

From lightest to heaviest: 1) 1.88 oz - FRN scales - stock Bugout 2) 1.96 oz - Carbon Fiber scales - Rogue Bladeworks 3) 1.97 oz - Micarta scales - Rogue Bladeworks 4) 1.98 oz - G10 scales - Allen Putman 5) 2.57 oz - Titanium scales - Rock Scale Design :)

[@brianmichael316]

Weird flex... jk, but seriously thanks for the info.

[@slycichlid8810]

Thanks

[@mc1996]

You sir, are the real MVP

[@bonesjones1658]

@@mc1996 Just that real OCD ;)

[@t_mac6866]

Super jealous of your collection man! Thanks for comparing all these different scale options, really helps the consumer out!

[@zachstuff]

Thank you very much! I try to give as many options as possible. Appreciate you watching!

[@morgizmo87]

Such an overblown, made up issue. If the feel bothers you, fine. But to argue that it isn’t strong enough... it’s way stronger than any pocket knife needs to be. If you want to go out in the woods and beat a knife through stumps or make a ladder by stabbing knives into trees for steps, get something else. If you want an edc knife, just buy a Bugout. This is the plastic gun debate all over again, and look at Glock now. The Bugout is the new Glock of the edc world.

[@zachstuff]

Agreed! Did a video doing some torture tests including running it over with my truck. Works just fine!! Thanks for watching and supporting!

[@PersonaN007Grata]

I’ve EDC’ed a Mel Purdue 530 for over 10 years. Never had an issue with flex lol. I’ve opened cans of soups and vegetables, whittled tons of stakes, cut miles of rope, and even batoned a few branches.

[@FirstOfTheYear777]

Had an omega spring snap on mine, never did anything with it except flick it open at my desk occasionally, cut cardboard, and open packages 😬

[@droptuned83]

Nah ! Don't like em. Get a Spyderco

[@huehuehue-x3c]

@@droptuned83 no thanks, I like sleek knives that fit in my pocket comfortably.

[@drameday]

It's not made to be a heavy duty knife. If you're using it in a manner that flexes the scales, you need to go get a cold steel recon or something else made for harder use. The bugout is made to be very light weight for EDC. Use the right tool for the job. The bugout is perfect for its intended purpose.

[@ericthorpe5670]

I was going to comment something very similar. Thank you for making that clear. People are complaining that it wouldn't make a good pry bar, and that the grivory scales could potentially break. What's crazy about pry bars is that they're not knives.

[@patrickbledsoe2176]

I was gonna say the same thing but I carry a Leatherman everyday which is never the right tool for the job...... lmao

[@gunguy1599]

Zach's stuff = knowledge, knowledge = power. Nice video.

[@adunn413]

Nice options! Just picked up the bugout this week. Love it as is, but these scales you showed are pretty sweet. I've always loved knives, but never really collected many until this past week. I'm on a roll. The Bugout, ESEE IZula, Benchmade Hidden Canyon Hunter, and Boker's mini Kalashnikov Auto. LOL! More to follow.

[@zachstuff]

adunn413 right on! That is a great list of knives!! Love my Bugout’s and the custom scales make it that much better. Welcome to knife collecting!!!

[@adunn413]

@FlamQ Dbltap Just adding to the pile of addictions haha

[@connoreby4468]

Best bugout collection I have ever seen

[@zachstuff]

Thank you! I like this knife and what is being offered after market in upgrades too.

[@johnruff7417]

Thanks for the vid, it’s nice to have all the info in one spot off the same scale!

[@zachstuff]

Appreciate you watching and glad the comparison was helpful!

[@HollywoodTacticool]

i wanna get some micarta scales, but they're quite spendy increasing the price of the knife by a considerable precentage

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

Just wanted to let people know, if you are concerned with the flex of the Bugout but like the size, you might be interested in the 'Mini Presidio II CF elite' model it's pretty much a bugout size Benchmade but with full steel liners, still only weighs just over 3 OZ so it's not a heavy knife. I just got one and it's a serious workhorse in the black class, if you ever have a problem with anything int he blue class, check out their black class alternative line for a similar size blade, and it will be an over built alternative that you won't worry about being fragile. Good video nice handle mods bro, looking fancy.

[@jimshort9266]

I would think you would have to be pretty hard on the FRN to break it but would worry more about deformation over time. I’ve not carried anything similar long enough to know though.

[@zachstuff]

Yeah the FRN holds up very well. Thanks Jim for checking this one out!

[@bigcountry2529]

I had mine for about a year now and its held up great its all stock, I carry it every day and use it quite a lot

[@zachstuff]

Right on that’s great it’s going strong!

[@stevemilk4526]

Great video. Watched this late last night. Thanks to you I need the titanium scales and micarta ones. Rogue blade works said they will have another run either this week or next week. Waiting impatiently for those. Lol

[@zachstuff]

Right on!! Thank you! Yeah I have a set of carbon fiber on the way for my mini freek. Missed the olive g10 for the Bugout they had.

[@xxcaseyxxc]

Super jealous of your bugout collection! Keep it up

[@rodneypearson6986]

I've thought about changing some of my knives but like factory scales

[@zachstuff]

Factory scales are great! But those aftermarket are the icing on the cake for me! Thanks for watching!

[@Motorcyclewindtherapy]

Funny thing is... years later... none busted I've read about! Love my 2 buyouts.

[@konte641]

Is there such a thing as a backspacer with glass breaker for bugout? I got the 535-3. Couldn't find any.

[@zachstuff]

Not yet that I have found! Pretty neat idea however!

[@ChuckNess-b3f]

is the gold and blue Anodizing on the Ti rockscales custom? if so where did you get it done?

[@zachstuff]

It was a special order from RockScale Designs. Email them to see if he can do what you’re looking for.

[@a.delome8023]

It's a "LIGHT" service knife, flat out! As Dire Panda states so succinctly, "It's a totally overblown, made up issue." I've got 4 of the Bugouts. One I dyed the handle scales black, one I pimped out a little more, one is factory stock, and the one I've carried most as an EDC "user' is scarred, scratched, chipped, dirty and used for any everyday EDC tasks and it's bulletproof! Much ado about nothing. Want more? Buy an axe!

[@jacopodanglars4836]

great info. I’m still looking for my perfect folding knife. - Works for lefty, good handle, for all weather, cold hot rain, like the Axis lock or similar the crossbar lock, with tanto plain blade any recommendations?

[@zachstuff]

The tango blade benchmade griptilian works really well, if you don't mind a wharncliffe reverse style tango the hogue deka is a good one. Both solid locks and good for all weather types. Thanks Jacopo!

[@gregwalker4236]

those titanium scales offer a wow factor for me. gotta find your vid with more details! thanks.

[@zachstuff]

Thanks for watching!

[@Boodie_ooo]

Awesome collection!! Do you have any issues with rust? I've heard that some people with the gray coating have that problem. I'm debating between the 2 versions because I do some meal prep throughout the day. Thanks in advance

[@zachstuff]

Thanks for watching and the feedback! I have not had any problems with rust and I use two of the coated blades ones weekly. I really enjoy these!

[@rickybritton7212]

Wow Brother, I had know idea you had such a cool KZbin channel, I'm new at KZbin, but I know I'm going to enjoy your channel. Thank you Zach. Sincerely your freind from Mo Rick and God bless you and your family and are Great Country

[@desertrainfrog1691]

It just seems like the mini grip is a better choice. Same handle material, but it has full steel liners so there is no cheap feeling or flex or anything like that. It's just a regular knife with scales and liners.

[@BastardBrad]

The grip is way thicker though......

[@kentonrojas2138]

Hi Zach wats the name of the tool for exchanging scales?

[@zachstuff]

Pivot alignment tool. On Etsy. Sold by rust bucket goods.

[@jasonallenbaughn]

Dude... Those micarta scales. Great video as always Zach.

[@justaamateur6533]

I dont own the bugout, but those after market titanium scales look great!

[@DrewL700E]

I got 3 bugouts and I want some scales. Thanks for the video and info...

[@zachstuff]

You’re Welcome Drew! Thanks for watching and the feedback! Let me know what you end up with!

[@DrewL700E]

@@zachstuff im thinking about buying benchmade's gold series bugout. What do you think? I got the foray gold series. Also have you checked out Knife plus, they got some different kinda custom bugouts.

[@Sceme1991]

The stock ranger green bugout is the most beautiful switchblade I've ever seen. I'd rather deal with the flex than downgrade to studried but not as pretty scales. I'm a sucker for olive green

[@zachstuff]

It is a classic Bugout model! Did you see the G-10 olive green they came out with through SMKW?? Looks and durability!

[@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82]

I love olive green, right up until i drop it in the woods then it's never seen again, go with a brighter color for practical reasons

[@steppinout67]

How did you anodize the rock scale bugout? I don't see that option on their website.

[@zachstuff]

It was anodized by RockScale. Just email with them and you can purchase custom colors!

[@steppinout67]

@@zachstuff I'd trade all the knives I own right now for one of those, that thing is sick dude. Thanks for the info! Unfortunately everything is sold out on that guy's website.

[@zachstuff]

Thank you! Yeah he will work with you to build a custom made one. Don’t worry about the stock!

[@steppinout67]

@@zachstuff Thanks dude! That'll be my next knife then!

[@robbbbery]

Super helpful, thank you!

[@benfelland]

I don’t know why people think the buyout was made to be some hard use folder. Especially for how much it weighs. For me I thought it was going to be when I heard the name but that changed when I heard the weight. If you want something lightweight this is great. But if you want a hard use knife from bm just get a griptillian

[@JTsKnifeLife]

Cool vid, good to see these all together and up close. 👌

[@zachstuff]

Yes indeed! Too bad I can’t carry them all at one time.....

[@nycmaverick]

Great Video. I like the comparison can you do a bend to failure test on the stock knife?

[@zachstuff]

Thanks! I have some testing right now on the stock 535 which should post next week. Good idea!

[@artvandalay6161]

DirePanda, well said. The Bugout is outstanding for it’s intended purpose. My only disappointment is the price, but that’s what people are willing to pay (myself included- ouch!). The knife does need tweaking/adjustments at time which is frustrating for price paid, but so do some other knives. IMHO aftermarket scales only add to the cool-factor, not functionality. I have the Ranger green version and intended to swap scales for added rigidity, but man - the green with gold standoffs is so sweet! After watching this video and his other one installing the new Ti scales.... it just looks totally boss!!

[@eugenevictortooms4174]

I really like the modified Bugouts but modifying them kind of defeats the whole point of the knife in the first place.

[@daniellee2628]

Thanks for the review. Pretty much every scale I was considering. Picked up a Putman OD green Micarta myself but oddly enough seems to flex more than the stock scales. Considering your recommendation for the carbon fiber or titanium scales. Any input as to how well those two wear in? Or am just gonna have to suck it up when I get that first big scratch. Lol. Thanks again.

[@DobermansRock]

The rockscale Ti on mine is wicked awesome. There is a guy in Australia that makes full Ti hardware and pivot sets. Its the best modern knife in my hand. Barely above the Mercator Otter K55K stainless.

[@TrevorTheRBLXGamer78]

Mine flex’s a bit but I have no thoughts of it breaking. It does exactly what it’s intended to do, be a super lightweight edc. Love mine, the AM scales look great though.

[@TrevorTheRBLXGamer78]

If somebody would make an AM liner or pocket clip for this with a window punch it would be perfect for me.

[@zachstuff]

Agreed and yes they are pretty groovy! Thanks for watching!

[@zachstuff]

Those would be cool useful upgrades!

[@FrankAndTinaOfficial]

Nice knives! Liked and subscribed!

[@zachstuff]

Groovy! Thank you!

[@Alex77au]

Why would you use a knife as pry bar? Is that an American thing? On Australia we use pry bars when we need a pry bar....sounds crazy right?

[@TrevorTheRBLXGamer78]

Which one improves the grip the most?

[@zachstuff]

The most grip on the AM scales is the G10 then Micarta.

[@rickjohnson4009]

Yes there is a bit of as you say flex. I have a 535 with aftermarket mycarta scales. And the mini bugout. This isn't a issue for me if I need to work a knife. With hard use it's going to be one of my fixed blades. The bugout or any folder is not designed for hard use. Just my opinion

[@gaynebrotherslogistics2516]

They are always sold out tho. I received an email that they were in stock and they were already out of stock by the time I tried to order them. 10 minutes maybe

[@zachstuff]

Yes the market is tight right now. If you are looking for Rogue Bladeworks scales, they have some on smoky mountain knifeworks website.

[@gaynebrotherslogistics2516]

@@zachstuff I'll take a look, all I have been able to get so far is the back spacer

[@zachstuff]

Sounds good! Thanks for watching and subscribing!

[@Osprey1994]

Solid purchase of you want a knife that isn't tiny but weighs very little.

[@zachstuff]

Thanks! Yeah most of these combos will work for most people! Really like the options for all of us! Thanks for watching and supporting!

[@countyboy2874]

I tried a Delica 4 and hated the gritty feeling scales... just didn't feel good to me. Do the stock OEM scales of the Benchmade Bugout feel about the same?

[@zachstuff]

They have more texture to them but to me feel better. They are still a plastic/frn handle material. So if you are not fond of that feeling then grab some aftermarket G10 or Carbon Fiber scales and you will be set!

[@deadpoollee9497]

Couldn't u add or they add a extra bolster?

[@zachstuff]

I could if I did Scale work!! But maybe the next updated design they will add one. Good idea!

[@kylemiller3924]

There is absolutely no possible way to break the stock Bugout handle without first breaking the blade.

[@zachstuff]

Agreed! Would have to be prying pretty hard to snap those scales!!

[@DaroffApFire]

Regardless of whether or not you believe the handle will break, the material used as the scales is just cheap garbage. I myself have used a knife to pry things before and I wouldn't trust that cheap plastic. They could have at least made some nice G10 scales. The cost of that knife to be made is no more than $15. It isn't anywhere worth the $120 price tag. No thank you.

[@nycmaverick]

@@DaroffApFire Why?

[@devonsanterre8449]

Fiber reinforced nylon is pretty damn strong

[@3treefamily358]

Daroff G10 has been proven in tests to more prone to fail under extreme stress than FRN when compared at the same stock and thickness. FRN is also oil an chemical resistant. I’m in agreement with you that G10 has a better feel in hand but if you want a knife for EDC and hard use FRN is a phenomenal material.

[@TNea0926]

Does the thickness change on any of the scales?

[@zachstuff]

It does slightly depends on which scale material it is.

[@whiskaleafa]

Are the bugout and bailout screws the same?

[@zachstuff]

I didn’t measure them when I had them apart, but looked very close.

[@mannyq3830]

I sold my Bugout awhile back, but now I miss it and want another one 😫

[@zachstuff]

Ahh bummer, yes get another one for sure!

[@g2h0]

Great bugout collection but i think you need to try a set of aluminum scales by Parsons Blade Works

[@zachstuff]

Those sound fun! Will have to go check them out. Thanks

[@Sharps_and_i_edc]

Micarta….”tiny bit of flex” as accidentally squeezes the scales completely onto the blade 😂

[@stoneblue1795]

BM should have just added another stand-off to the back area.

[@zachstuff]

I agree that would have solved the flex concerns. Appears to be room for it without the blade hitting.

[@AndreasTheodoulou]

good reviews , bladebanter sent me over. keep up the good work

[@zachstuff]

Groovy, welcome!

[@sausage_egg4484]

Congratulations on 8.49k

[@citystar87]

@Wranglerstar get some aftermarket scales it will make the difference for you. I want you to like the bug out.

[@jindaphommavongsa3380]

great work, thanks, very very helpful.

[@zachstuff]

Glad you liked it! These are some common questions I received. Take care!

[@citystar87]

God damn what a collection

[@zachstuff]

Thanks! Been trying to collect some various types if scales. Hopefully you like the comparison!

[@randyf.9188]

Good information and options, thanks.

[@zachstuff]

You’re Welcome! Glad you liked the video.

[@lancelevi23]

Just ordered the knife only down side is I'm from Canada and our dollar is poop paid 169.99 for it

[@zachstuff]

You will enjoy this knife! Bummer the exchange rate is bad. Have fun!

[@GlockByMySide87]

Jealous of your collection there!!!! Great video

[@zachstuff]

Thanks GBMS! Appreciate the feedback on this video!

[@usmcgrunt02]

Rockscale designs never has anything in stock 😟

[@zachstuff]

Site orders open in two days. He usually adds stock every other Saturday to the website. I have purchased this way a couple times over the last two months. You can also email him to place an order.

[@garyfrombuffalo]

I like your channel 🙂👍🏻

[@Phlfwlr]

“You mean the light weight EDC pocket knife has a handle that flexes?” People are just dumb. Beyond running it over with a tractor you won’t break the handle. The reason I say tractor is because I’ve heard someone ran over this knife with their car and it didn’t even break. You think your grip strength will ever effect the handle of this knife? You’re giving yourself too much credit. The issue isn’t the knife. People just love to complain.

[@knifeguy1387]

I love those scales but they cost just as much as the knife

[@zachstuff]

Some are only half the knife cost! Yes I agree and they are totally worth the upgrade! 2nd market I have seen some for sale recently too. Little lower cost.

[@onthesiderc429]

Thank you!

[@packinaglock]

I could feel my spyderco endura flex as I was cleaning a wild boar. My non folder was dull at the time so the Endura worked.

[@tobinanderson9190]

Your almost at 300 subs!

[@zachstuff]

I know it’s pretty awesome! Then I get to give more stuff away!

[@tuckers236]

Might just need to get a Black Blade Bugout and some more scales! Love the one on mine and I love the Bugout but there’s a few I need to pick up first 😂

[@zachstuff]

Groovy! I got your back on this! Let me know.

[@Ахмад1-п1щ]

buy or not?

[@zachstuff]

Buy!

[@TheFiendRacer]

Carbon fiber or titanium is the way to go

[@zachstuff]

Totally agree! The carbon fiber keeps the weight very close, but titanium is a show stopper!

[@Mridgwell]

It's completely ludacris to pay almost double for a knife by replacing the OEM scales for titanium or carbon fiber , , who am I kidding it's fuckin awesome !!!

[@zachstuff]

I know right??!! Thanks Mark!

[@Mridgwell]

Absolutely man look forward to the next one , the thanks is all on this end. Good luck hitting 2500

[@racerx1508]

To many people watching Fancy's videos nobody said shit about this untill he said something about weight LMFAO 😂

[@zachstuff]

Thanks for the feedback and don’t know who fancy is. Take care!

[@racerx1508]

@@zachstuff that's like the best collection of Bugouts I've ever seen.

[@racerx1508]

@@zachstuff I was talking about weight of knives Nuttinfancy l like that's how he spells it.I was just saying so people think a folder must be 4oz or under.I did comment on the wrong vid man.lol my mistake.Anyway great looking scales👍👍

[@zachstuff]

Oh awesome! Thanks for watching and subscribing! Enjoy the feedback!

[@Watchandcutgearchannel]

Great review.. gave you a sub

[@zachstuff]

Thank you!

[@TheFlyrodder68]

Leave that beautiful lightweight Bugout as is. It is practically perfection straight out of the box. The flex BS is just that, BS. My Bugout, Spyderco Para 3 lightweight and Kershaw Launch 10 and my CR Mnandi are my 4 favorite lightweight carry knives.

[@papasauce234]

I thought you meant flex as in flexing with fancy things lmao

[@WinWon-z4e]

I like a G10

[@esoteric5277]

The harder they come, the harder they fall😑 Ain't nothing wrong with being lightweight and flexible👌

[@BobRoss_lover]

I doubt it’ll ever break but I just don’t Ike frn.

[@zachstuff]

Thanks for he feedback and any of these upgrades scales you would enjoy! Or if they put out a g10 version this year!!!

[@111111111Tiger]

Adding one more offset would have removed the flex.

[@bonesjones1658]

EXACTLY. I've thought about doing that mod honestly..

[@HISHappyIncheslittlehomeStead]

I'll be watching for that music video lol I am #4.59K

[@AGC828]

"Flex". If you pinch any pocket knife in the middle of the handle....and there is little to now lmetal liner ...course there will be some degree of flex. How you and others should be testing knives for FLEX is under actual use e.g. how you /we would actually be holding the knives. I've never held a Bugout ...or any pocket-knife with the same build. But I'd bet we probably wouldn't feel the FLEX...more so if we're not looking for it. Wehter it's a knife with Benchades Grivery, Spyderco's FRN...etc. e.g if you're opening a box, breaking down a cardboard box... and we're not torquing the handle... We need to also start doing realistic blade tests....what can these blades really handle cutting before they start chipping? Or dull faster...etc. If you use a pocket kniffe to pry staples ...the cutting edge will chip...obviously. DUH. "The Last Boy Scout" carved a fork from a branch--chipped the cutting edge slightly on a S30V Bugout blade..."hard use" ...licer blade being so thin...not built for carving...heh...want a ...probably want a blade with 30 degree beve :)) Common sense (which mot people lack)..

[@zachstuff]

Check out my Bugout test video. It held up pretty good! The easiest way to show the flex on camera is to pinch it together. Appreciate your feedback!

[@davidrickerton2828]

there is flex in my golf clubs and I promise that takes way more abuse than anyone would dish out on a bugout for everyday use. unless you are raiding tombs and living off the land with just a bugout in your pocket. If you are, you're an idiot. but if you tackle cutting packages, rope, even manila rope I don't think you would have a problem. its a useless worry for the intended use of the knife. its also not a tactical knife, so don't use scenarios for why it would fail under those conditions either. ONE IS NONE TWO IS ONE! carry an EDC knife, Carry a Fighting Knife. carry a edc flashlight and carry a tactical flashlight. carry a gun and carry a pocket backup one.

[@L0WPEZ1]

The only flex I see is buying a Benchmade

[@isabellam1936]

Why do people care if it flex’s a little bit. You don’t cut down trees with knives.

[@zachstuff]

The world may never know??!!

[@voodoo7008]

Weight differences, negligible. Strength difference, not so much.

[@quinnwarman5139]

Flex is ment to happen that's how Feb works just don't be crazy with it

[@CatHound]

I'll never buy Benchmade again. If you're smart? You want either. My bug out handle just collapsed after 5 years. I was only wood carving. Severely over priced

[@frankthespank]

Yeah lemme just spend $130 on a knife and replace 50% of it....

[@PowerMadHeadBanger]

Almost everyone buying this knife is a knife guy who know what he is getting. Its pure stupidity try to hard use a knife like this. So my answer is: Want a strong knife? Then get a strong knife. Just like the new Turret.

[@zachstuff]

Yeah just wanted to try it out and yes the new Turret feels like a powerhouse! Can’t wait until it is released!

[@MPerry-ox9qb]

Honesty who cares if they break. Benchmade will replace the scales and sharpen the knife while it's there for free. People also bad mouth the omega springs, but Benchmade will replace those for free also. Fantastic warranty at Benchmade. Probably why they cost more than they should.

[@zachstuff]

Best warranty in the business!!! Yes it is an interesting fixation on the scales and omega springs. I carry one or two every day and if you have any concerns send it in to the Benchmade Knife Spa for a refresh! Great people! Thanks for the feedback and support!

[@jackamtg]

It's not so great for us international customers. They did send Omega springs to me for free, though, so that was good of them

[@zachstuff]

Bummer, we should campaign for an international knife law..... :) Glad to hear they shipped out the new springs to you.

[@marcusa5646]

It’s a good warranty but having to ship it to them means being without the knife for at least 1 month

[@MPerry-ox9qb]

@@marcusa5646 they'll send a lot of parts to you. From screws, to clips and I think omega springs. Regardless, I'd rather be without a knife for a month, than to buy a new knife altogether. Most of us have more than one knife anyway.

[@otodontidaepell9283]

I really doubt that someone snapped the handle by normal use! Sounds like women naggin about something that hasn't actually happened

[@otodontidaepell9283]

People buy plastic guns all the time

[@SubUrbanNinja-EDC]

What idiot pays $160 for a knife then replace the entire knife's scales? Why buy the knife in the first place if you are going to replace 50 percent of it? man....I really think consumers are becoming brain dead.

[@SubUrbanNinja-EDC]

I didnt mean to insult anybody. It just doen't make sense to me to take expensive knives to mod them. But it is cool though. Some of it.

[@dominiclallande]

FLEX =/= WEAK

[@zachstuff]

Thanks for your feedback

[@jerrybobteasdale]

Just buy a better knife to begin with?

[@ohioirishman]

Over priced knife as it is and yet folks wanna dump even more money into it. Ya'll R Goofy.

[@tylerreis7627]

I intentionally snapped my bugout in half cause I hated that cheap piece of shit so damn much

[@zachstuff]

Okay, send it over to me for the collection!